This is hilarious to me. A well calculated tank isnt at bottom of the league in cap space! If you have a calculated plan going into the season to lose games you would free up cap space. Trading for/paying burns is a win now move.
the only thing i will say is you gotta keep throwing darts at the board until you hit on a franchise QB the cardinals didn't hesitate to take another QB
But the roster is so bad that you’d be loosing a lot of future assets to trade for said guy - then again Kyler Murray is better than Rosen and DJ (I’m pretty sure they also fired at least their HC in that year) but is he a “franchise QB”
@@ianernest2504 they did which i think is a possibility if we draft a QB and have another terrible year we might end up in a cardinals situation where the gm and coach are fired after year 1 of a rookie QB and the next regime picks there own QB
@ That’s fair - and I’m not trying to compare franchises but the Cardinals probably haven’t reached the heights that were expected when they drafted Kyler - granted different situation different player. For this franchise that sounds pretty scary tbh because that’s another top 5 you’d be “wasting” part of the reason why I might be in the camp for Brian and Joe to be fired now (Schoen probably has a better case than DABOLL)
Bobby brought up a good point about forcing a QB this year. If the Giants are in place to take Will Johnson they need to take him. I do not care. He's a Blue Chip prospect.
@@inbredhorses Yeah not a terrible idea. Would love to get another manning in the building. But don't know if another shit season will keep Daboll as our coach
@@carbiv He's a good CB1, immediately upgrades the CB room and lets Banks take on the other outside role for Flott. I honestly wouldn't mind another interior DL or WR but we do not have a playmaker at CB at all
Devito knows the offense and probably has a higher floor, and is safer, but Lock has higher upside potential due to more arm talent. I'd start Lock and take my chances.
What if? They traded down w Minnesota for 12 and 23, took Bowers and either a pass rusher or cb, kept X, did Not trade for Burns,and had 2 2d round picks. No need for Nubin, Phillips or Johnson and used those picks to bolster o line or anywhere else. plus have 10 extra million to spend on FAs. That would be a good Gm.
Giants are a total mess, but idk how much blame Schoen deserves and how much should go on guys like Tim McDonnel the director of player personnel who’s Mara’s nephew and Schoen didn’t even choose 🙃. Not to mention Chris Mara and holdovers like Kevin Abrams
The craziest thing about this back n forth conversation?… Everyone wants to blame dj… But the reality is… the reason we lost all of these 1 score games is because of team discipline and team mistakes. Whose fault is that? Could it be the players? Sure.. could a franchise qb help? Sure… But the truth is that the lack of discipline starts and ends with the coaching personnel. Which is why I’m completely out on Daboll. Because on TOP of the lack of discipline, we have had controversial shit; like Kafka and wink. Passing the buck on his offensive line coach, who is now having success within the same division.. You have bad play calling and HORRIBLE “analytics” choices at the wrong time. And you have complete mismanagement of the roster as it relates to injuries. So. You can say a “QB away”.. but that means you’re deaf, dumb, and blind.
QB elevates every position. Right now we might look at this roster and see only 2 stars but once you get your franchise QB, he elevates good players to great. Even on defense. That’s what happened with Nico Collins in Houston for example. With a good QB, we are probably saying the Giants have 4-5 stars.
Tiki Barber said that Devito would start. Obviously he is really well connected. Lets find out how well connected he is...because to me it sounds like its going to be Lock from other insiders
ehh i dunno man Jags and Raiders are gonna give them a run for their money. Cant believe the Panthers are gonna win more games then all 3 of those teams 😂
I want LOCK. 🔒 1. He’s known to bring energy to teams/ offenses, even if short term 2. Has more experience leading teams/ starting games 3. Devito has the fans on his side right now because of his run last season. Fans have no real hopes for this season anyways and if lock is decent, you can consider him as a back up (or starter) next season with the Rookie/ drafted QB learning
One thing to consider is that DJ may not just be a bad qb but also someone that does not match well with the style of offense that Dabs wants to run which magnifies the impact. He just doesn't struggle with accuracy, he can't make the deep throws that you have to make in this offense. I think we need more than just a QB, but you can't deny the fact that the QB position is the most impactful on the team and can carry a weaker team when they are struggling.
@@bobmackey8851 It won't make them SB contenders but it would make them much more competitive. Show me a team that is above 500 that has a QB that can't go through his progressions.
i think dj needs lasik eye surgery, in all seriousness. i know he doesn’t have 20 20 vision because i remember a cowboys game he got sacked HARD and his contact lenses was hanging from his facemask. this could also be the reason he is hesitant at times about throwing passes that dont seem fully open
Dabol is getting worse. He won 9 games with Gettlemans players. They won 9 then 6 and now 2? Maybe 3? They are getting worse not better. Fire them all!
Hey Bobby, one of your fans told Pat Leonard last night on his live podcast that you accused him publicly of stealing content. Pat was a gentleman and said that IF you said that, it was out of passion for the NYG and not personal. Just thought you would want to know that someone was trying to hurt Pat or get you sued.
Do any of the Schoen’s draft picks from 2022 deserve a second contract? Schoen is another Ivy Leaguer who has under delivered on average expectations. The least he could have done was not whiff on the #5 and #7 picks. But he did and it has set the Giants back a decade and prolonged cap hell because of having to fill a hole that his picks could not. I’m especially talking about you Evan Neal.
I am so tired of the DJ debate!!!….he should be done!!!!!….let DeVito play and let’s see what we could do moving forward!!!!…the organization is in the toilet!!!!💙💙💙🔥🔥🔥🔥
Hopefully they are having a QB competition and whoever wins plays. And tie goes to DeVito. It sucks that Ezuedu's crappy play against #2s got Lock hurt in preseason and set him back. BTW Schoen said Ezuedu settled down and played well in Eagles game. Schoen needs to be fired and Asst GM promoted for continuity. If Schoen couldn't evaluate DJ why would he evaluate new QB properly? 3 overpaid contracts DJ, Burns, and Singletary and we ran out of cap space with roster holes.
Right now I think Milroe would be a decent pick for the Giants. I was still think he needs to develop from the pocket. That being said he has the strongest arm in the draft which works well with the deepshots that Daboll wants to take. Also he has Lamar level rushing ability his speed and ability to break long runs can be an asset to the offense while he develops in to a better pocket passer. I think this year more than most your drafting talents/skills not win lose record. Your looking for the guy with the highest cieling not the highest floor. Sanders for instance is better from the pocket than Milroe but he is what he is going to be. Where Milroe has so many physical tools that he could develop to be a far better player than Sanders.
Why don’t you ever talk about the coaching staff? They suck! The 49rs win with Mr irrelevant! The eagles qb was drafted in the 2d round. Dak in the fourth. Coaching loses games. Dabol can’t lead a team of men to play at a high level. He is the root of the problem
If we’re basing it on last year then then going with devito over Taylor should mean they ABSOLUTELY go with him over Lock. But I do think lock starts our next game. What a mess
Am i bugging or wasnt devjto coming off a win when they made decision to go with him over tyrod ? I think you can make the argument that they didn't want to put tommy on the bench coming off a win.
Schoen rebuilt this Oline, wide receiver room, edge room, added a potential star to the running back room, a potentially burgeoning player at tight end in 2024.. It's the reason he will be back in 2025..
@@kevincorbeil-wj7hw That's because he blew the 2022 draft to hell, Neal ,Ezudu and McKinney are/were all ZEROS, therefore because he blew that, it cost us 17 million a year for Runyon and Eluminor, and we are 25th in league, bounce Schoen out the DOOR!!!
the DC change is the reason banks LOOKS worse plus was had lower expectations being a rookie and we expected him to get way better not stay about the same and the exotic blitz's wink used masked alot of the blame attributed to him or not and most of the hate stems from too much lack of effort displayed in a couple of spots/games lately its a perception thing to me
@@johnblaze5252 Knowing your love & affinity for the soon to be ex giants QB, Janiel Domes. I know typing that name must have been incredibly painful for you but extremely satisfying for me.
@@cooldude7821 Arch.. you have a convenient memory. I always said DJ wasn’t going to be here in 25. Everyone knew that. I’m hoping they don’t shoot their load in the Kenny Pickett 2.0 QB draft of 2025. The NYG are not going anywhere anytime soon.
Joe Scheon is the type of GM i hate honestly. He very clearly relies heavy on analytics rather then a combination of analytics and player skill. He clearly moved on from mckinney and barkley because the analytics say dont pay those positions. He did the same with DJ, and I'm seeing the same team building red flags that i saw on the bills.
We're seeing the same thing in banks.. he's the same player he was last year. I was preaching all offseason how he's not a cb1.. that being said, I expected more from adoree.. I understand he came in right before week 1 so wasn't surprised when he missed games early.. but where has he been? Anyways we need to sign a true cb1 and banks will be fine as a cb2 and Phillips at nickle.
Idc if they take a qb who they don’t truly believe in. I need some hope and I don’t want to run it back with a random veteran qb only for us to suck again next year. If we take a qb and he’s not the guy and we suck well then take arch manning. Cardinals moved off Josh Rosen after 1 year. Do the same until you get the guy
I don't think I'd ever recommend taking a QB you don't believe in hoping he proves you wrong or hoping you suck enough for the best prospect to be available for you the next year. Knowing when to move on is huge, but that comes with admitting mistakes. Moving on from Rosen was huge, they could be in our spot if they didn't. But I'd rather they use the pick somewhere else to make the roster better if there's no QB they believe in.
If you feelt peatty good about players last year and they are worse this year, who's that on? Players should improve over the year and not regress. Feels like the whole team has regressed (including DJ) and thats on the coach. The biggest problem is Daboll at this point
How/why can deonte banks literally just not play the ball. It frustrates me week in week out when I’m watching the game live because I’m watching him get beat in great positioning
I don't know how you can possibly put neighbors as an All-Pro!! what has he done? he has made just as many amazing catches as he has drops!! stars are stars. we have 2, and Dexter Lawrence is one of them. Possibly Andrew Thomas as the next Nabers problem is that he wanted number 1 and got it.... and now the ghosts of giants past are haunting him. Mara should have never let that number come out of retirement. On the other hand, you speak of Kyle Van Noy as not a good player. Kyle Van Noy is closer to All Pro than Malik Nabers!!!!! Go Giants!!
17:00 Daniel Jones is not the sole reason why they are 2-8, but he is the main reason. If you want to pick on the rest of the team, that's fine but it's missing the elephant in the room which is that the QB is noncompetitive. The team would be better with a better QB even if not a playoff team. They would have at least 4-5 wins. There have been at least five games this year where Jones was straight trash and the game was winnable with decent QB play - e.g. Minnesota, Philly, Dallas, Cincy, and Carolina come to mind.
I want DJ gone 100% but he actually played some good games this year, just when he played well everyone else played like shit. bad defense, fumbles, penalties etc. Then when everyone else plays well DJ shits the bed.
I have no clue why people are confident in joe schoen's ability to build a SuperBowl winning roster when going into year 4 we are going to potentially have the #1 overall pick and look absolute garbage
He's not fielded a better roster because of the limited resources and I believe he's done just fine obviously not good enough because 2-8 through the first 10 games for the past 2 years, they had to sign Jones in fear of not being able to get someone better and then having to let Barkley go because of another fear of committing too much money to a guy then who was considered injury riddled, Joe schoen he knew when he was first hired that there was plenty of work to do and so did daboll, do I think they are close no but they are definitely getting there and that's not something that was said about gettleman and Reese in his later years
I'm rather neutral on this one. Yeah I can understand the argument that it's dumb and ultimately a win is a win and loss is a loss. But I can also remember 0-40 against Dallas last year and I can understand that there is significant improvement when you go from being outscored per game by 8.3 to 6.6 points per game... especially when your QB play is considerably worse.
they need a franchise QB and this is the first draft they can draft a QB the record in 22 took them out of range,there wasnt a guy worth picking in 23 stroud was the only good QB in that draft that went first,late season losses took them out of the mix for daniels and maye and jj or penix was a reach especially with a talent like nabers sitting there for you,now not taking a guy to challenge jones later in the draft rattler,milton however you want to pick was a huge arogant miss in my view that Qb room of jones,lock and devito we KNEW wasnt good enough ive said it before and ill say it again shoen picks a plan A with too much IF's attached to it he doesnt give himself a backup plan and scrambles to try and fix it after it goes pearshaped he doesnt build himself any alternative option if plan A fails,they used a fullback all preseason then didnt keep one on the roster,the year before they didnt keep a blocking TE on the roster when the TE room was decimated they didnt have ANY blocking TE on the roster, way i see it is jones is soooo bad that however they draft out of nussmier/milroe/ward or sanders couldnt be any worse,and for the record i dont want the circus that is sanders and the distraction of deion even thou he might be the best QB talent wise so if they are still in place next draft they HAVE to give them a MINIMUM 2 more years to not repeat the jones situation where your forcing back to back offensive system for a rookie and forcing the coach GM to be stuck with a dud QB they didnt draft which was the biggest problem jones entire tenure doing the same shit and expecting different results is the definition of insanity
@@BrettM765 Arch has played 3 games in college & your already on his sac. Eli is gone. Goofy juice head Eli is about to be gone. Y'all Fools need to let these Mannings go.
If anyone is eating up what Joe or Brian says at a press conference and these people call themselves giants fans… I must be on crack cause this team is garbage they are embarrassing to watch and to have the balls to come out and say your close???!!
Kick ass on 1st down on offense and kick ass on 3rd down on defense. Produce Touchdowns in the redzone at a high rate. That’s the definition of a good team regardless of the Jimmy’s or the Joes. And to puff your collective chest out and declare we’re close due to all the one score games we lost is ludicrous Schoen. All that means is your team is bad at situational football.
Why would you say that’s the whole point of this year? They’re clearly rebuilding when we cut good players and didn’t spend money. I think they expected a bad year
@ talking about Justin’s rant at 17 minutes in. He said the point of this year was to not be bad. But I disagree, they are in rebuild mode, starting rookies. Of course they were going to struggle
It’s year three if they are in rebuild mode to that large of an extent that’s even more of an indictment on them. But you’re also wrong. They traded and signed Burns for $30 mil AAV. The reason they are starting rookies is because they have so few talented players that they need their rookies to start.
Justins take on how close the Giants are at 17:00 is honestly one of the best rants Justin has ever had on this show.
They signed Lock to look spectacular in defeat. This entire season was a well calculated tank.
This is hilarious to me. A well calculated tank isnt at bottom of the league in cap space!
If you have a calculated plan going into the season to lose games you would free up cap space. Trading for/paying burns is a win now move.
Yes Bobby, you should absolutely watch both The Penguin and The Batman 💯🔥 real talk Justin!
Not as close as Schoen says, but not as far off as everyone else says. Holes exist, but not as many as there once were.
There’s more holes….
the only thing i will say is you gotta keep throwing darts at the board until you hit on a franchise QB the cardinals didn't hesitate to take another QB
Unless a franchise QB becomes available via a trade or free agency. Gotta keep picking QB's until you get The guy.
But the roster is so bad that you’d be loosing a lot of future assets to trade for said guy - then again Kyler Murray is better than Rosen and DJ (I’m pretty sure they also fired at least their HC in that year) but is he a “franchise QB”
@@ianernest2504 they did which i think is a possibility if we draft a QB and have another terrible year we might end up in a cardinals situation where the gm and coach are fired after year 1 of a rookie QB and the next regime picks there own QB
@ That’s fair - and I’m not trying to compare franchises but the Cardinals probably haven’t reached the heights that were expected when they drafted Kyler - granted different situation different player.
For this franchise that sounds pretty scary tbh because that’s another top 5 you’d be “wasting” part of the reason why I might be in the camp for Brian and Joe to be fired now (Schoen probably has a better case than DABOLL)
The only way I’d be on board with that is if they get two more years with that new QB - I just dunno if Mara will have another EXTRA year in him
Bobby brought up a good point about forcing a QB this year. If the Giants are in place to take Will Johnson they need to take him. I do not care. He's a Blue Chip prospect.
Is he really that good? Who should our QB be if we dont take one in the draft?
@@carbiv Sam darnold and then draft arch manning
@@inbredhorses Yeah not a terrible idea. Would love to get another manning in the building. But don't know if another shit season will keep Daboll as our coach
@@carbiv He's a good CB1, immediately upgrades the CB room and lets Banks take on the other outside role for Flott. I honestly wouldn't mind another interior DL or WR but we do not have a playmaker at CB at all
Russell Wilson threw the dumbest pass ever in Superbowl history.
He wanted the ball cause everyone knew Beast Mode was gonna score. And he choked.
Devito knows the offense and probably has a higher floor, and is safer, but Lock has higher upside potential due to more arm talent. I'd start Lock and take my chances.
I'll pick whichever gives us the least chance to win.... I think that is Lock but DeVito isn't half as good as many fans seem to think.
What if? They traded down w Minnesota for 12 and 23, took Bowers and either a pass rusher or cb, kept X, did Not trade for Burns,and had 2 2d round picks. No need for Nubin, Phillips or Johnson and used those picks to bolster o line or anywhere else. plus have 10 extra million to spend on FAs. That would be a good Gm.
Giants are a total mess, but idk how much blame Schoen deserves and how much should go on guys like Tim McDonnel the director of player personnel who’s Mara’s nephew and Schoen didn’t even choose 🙃. Not to mention Chris Mara and holdovers like Kevin Abrams
I take Mason Graham, plug him next to Dex and take a QB in the second unless Cam Ward is there.
The craziest thing about this back n forth conversation?…
Everyone wants to blame dj…
But the reality is… the reason we lost all of these 1 score games is because of team discipline and team mistakes.
Whose fault is that? Could it be the players? Sure.. could a franchise qb help? Sure…
But the truth is that the lack of discipline starts and ends with the coaching personnel.
Which is why I’m completely out on Daboll.
Because on TOP of the lack of discipline, we have had controversial shit; like Kafka and wink. Passing the buck on his offensive line coach, who is now having success within the same division..
You have bad play calling and HORRIBLE “analytics” choices at the wrong time.
And you have complete mismanagement of the roster as it relates to injuries.
So. You can say a “QB away”.. but that means you’re deaf, dumb, and blind.
I think Dabol resents DEVITO for winning games and losing out on Jayden Daniels.
close only counts with horseshoes and hand grenades
QB elevates every position. Right now we might look at this roster and see only 2 stars but once you get your franchise QB, he elevates good players to great. Even on defense. That’s what happened with Nico Collins in Houston for example.
With a good QB, we are probably saying the Giants have 4-5 stars.
Tiki Barber said that Devito would start. Obviously he is really well connected. Lets find out how well connected he is...because to me it sounds like its going to be Lock from other insiders
“Close”? They’re about the have the #1 pick
any team is close if you hit on a elite QB
Washington Commanders.....
@@lockinload23but there is no elite qb in next yr’s draft. Cam Ward is not Jayden Daniels
ehh i dunno man Jags and Raiders are gonna give them a run for their money. Cant believe the Panthers are gonna win more games then all 3 of those teams 😂
@@blessembreaks Yeah you're probably right about that but let me cope in peace
I want LOCK. 🔒
1. He’s known to bring energy to teams/ offenses, even if short term
2. Has more experience leading teams/ starting games
3. Devito has the fans on his side right now because of his run last season. Fans have no real hopes for this season anyways and if lock is decent, you can consider him as a back up (or starter) next season with the Rookie/ drafted QB learning
4. He totally sucks.
@ probably but do Giants fans WANT to win games?
I’m with Bobby. I find superhero stuff corny, however I do love the Batman movies and am looking forward to watching The Penguin
How about we are a tackle or cornerback away? Shein won't say that because he is the most responsible for those two positions.
One thing to consider is that DJ may not just be a bad qb but also someone that does not match well with the style of offense that Dabs wants to run which magnifies the impact. He just doesn't struggle with accuracy, he can't make the deep throws that you have to make in this offense. I think we need more than just a QB, but you can't deny the fact that the QB position is the most impactful on the team and can carry a weaker team when they are struggling.
Not this bad of a team…
@@bobmackey8851 It won't make them SB contenders but it would make them much more competitive. Show me a team that is above 500 that has a QB that can't go through his progressions.
@@chrisg8340 so then Daboll and Schoen need to be facing consequences for sticking with a qB they know doesn’t fit their style …..
i think dj needs lasik eye surgery, in all seriousness. i know he doesn’t have 20 20 vision because i remember a cowboys game he got sacked HARD and his contact lenses was hanging from his facemask. this could also be the reason he is hesitant at times about throwing passes that dont seem fully open
Alr bro this is next level defense 😭😭
@@g_money0013 not even defending him he still has to go, i just think he could be a better qb with the surgery
@@Jayden-kz2lvyou have 0 knowledge about any of this you’re just saying things to say things 😂😂😂😂
@ look up daniel jones contact lens in the search bar (it was the eagles not the cowboys sorry)
I actually agree with this lmao
Dabol is getting worse. He won 9 games with Gettlemans players. They won 9 then 6 and now 2? Maybe 3? They are getting worse not better. Fire them all!
How bout a " NO SHAVE" Bobby until the GIANTS WIN A GAME.
Thanks for the Penguin spoilers, I just started the show yesterday…
Close? Sure, if they somehow also get an O line, a kicker, people who can tackle, and on and on.
Hey Bobby, one of your fans told Pat Leonard last night on his live podcast that you accused him publicly of stealing content. Pat was a gentleman and said that IF you said that, it was out of passion for the NYG and not personal. Just thought you would want to know that someone was trying to hurt Pat or get you sued.
Do any of the Schoen’s draft picks from 2022 deserve a second contract? Schoen is another Ivy Leaguer who has under delivered on average expectations. The least he could have done was not whiff on the #5 and #7 picks. But he did and it has set the Giants back a decade and prolonged cap hell because of having to fill a hole that his picks could not. I’m especially talking about you Evan Neal.
Tell banks to turn his frigging head around, and he would be a top 5 corner
I am so tired of the DJ debate!!!….he should be done!!!!!….let DeVito play and let’s see what we could do moving forward!!!!…the organization is in the toilet!!!!💙💙💙🔥🔥🔥🔥
Think they are close to 500 next yr, still building.
Hopefully they are having a QB competition and whoever wins plays. And tie goes to DeVito.
It sucks that Ezuedu's crappy play against #2s got Lock hurt in preseason and set him back.
BTW Schoen said Ezuedu settled down and played well in Eagles game. Schoen needs to be fired and Asst GM promoted for continuity. If Schoen couldn't evaluate DJ why would he evaluate new QB properly? 3 overpaid contracts DJ, Burns, and Singletary and we ran out of cap space with roster holes.
Right now I think Milroe would be a decent pick for the Giants. I was still think he needs to develop from the pocket. That being said he has the strongest arm in the draft which works well with the deepshots that Daboll wants to take. Also he has Lamar level rushing ability his speed and ability to break long runs can be an asset to the offense while he develops in to a better pocket passer. I think this year more than most your drafting talents/skills not win lose record. Your looking for the guy with the highest cieling not the highest floor. Sanders for instance is better from the pocket than Milroe but he is what he is going to be. Where Milroe has so many physical tools that he could develop to be a far better player than Sanders.
Why don’t you ever talk about the coaching staff? They suck! The 49rs win with Mr irrelevant! The eagles qb was drafted in the 2d round. Dak in the fourth. Coaching loses games. Dabol can’t lead a team of men to play at a high level. He is the root of the problem
If Deonte Banks could just learn to turn his head & put his hands up.
He’s an awful tackler too and doesn’t get off blocks in the run game. Let’s talk about the whole aspect of playing football not just coverage
Drafted milrose in my madden giants franchise, and he did really well….. :)
I agree with Justin. Russell Wilson should go eat grass😂
If we’re basing it on last year then then going with devito over Taylor should mean they ABSOLUTELY go with him over Lock. But I do think lock starts our next game. What a mess
Am i bugging or wasnt devjto coming off a win when they made decision to go with him over tyrod ?
I think you can make the argument that they didn't want to put tommy on the bench coming off a win.
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Don’t do it! Devito is solid and will give them a spark. Put in Drew Lock and help us get a top pick :)
I do believe if we had an nfl caliber quarterback, we’d be 5-3. Or 4-4.
Saquon and McKinney are top 10 stars....we got nothing in return. Unforgivable.
Schoen rebuilt this Oline, wide receiver room, edge room, added a potential star to the running back room, a potentially burgeoning player at tight end in 2024.. It's the reason he will be back in 2025..
Rebuilt the OL 25th in the league
@@kevincorbeil-wj7hwHe built a bust in Neal & JMS is nothing special probably a backup.
@@kevincorbeil-wj7hw That's because he blew the 2022 draft to hell, Neal ,Ezudu and McKinney are/were all ZEROS, therefore because he blew that, it cost us 17 million a year for Runyon and Eluminor, and we are 25th in league, bounce Schoen out the DOOR!!!
the DC change is the reason banks LOOKS worse plus was had lower expectations being a rookie and we expected him to get way better not stay about the same and the exotic blitz's wink used masked alot of the blame attributed to him or not and most of the hate stems from too much lack of effort displayed in a couple of spots/games lately its a perception thing to me
Don’t force a QB this year. Do whatever you need to and get the 1st pick next year to select Arch manning
Shut up about Arch already.
@@TrollKing2781Arch
@@johnblaze5252 Knowing your love & affinity for the soon to be ex giants QB, Janiel Domes. I know typing that name must have been incredibly painful for you but extremely satisfying for me.
@@cooldude7821 Arch.. you have a convenient memory. I always said DJ wasn’t going to be here in 25. Everyone knew that. I’m hoping they don’t shoot their load in the Kenny Pickett 2.0 QB draft of 2025. The NYG are not going anywhere anytime soon.
@@johnblaze5252 Definitely not an exciting QB draft.
This press conference made me go, OH he's clueless and I havent felt that way yet about him so fuck
You didn't feel that way when watching Hard Knocks.
Players don't tank ever.
So pretty much we’re fucked for another year and are gonna have a first round most likely first pic and will not draft a qb and suck again in year 7…
Joe Scheon is the type of GM i hate honestly. He very clearly relies heavy on analytics rather then a combination of analytics and player skill. He clearly moved on from mckinney and barkley because the analytics say dont pay those positions. He did the same with DJ, and I'm seeing the same team building red flags that i saw on the bills.
We're seeing the same thing in banks.. he's the same player he was last year. I was preaching all offseason how he's not a cb1.. that being said, I expected more from adoree.. I understand he came in right before week 1 so wasn't surprised when he missed games early.. but where has he been? Anyways we need to sign a true cb1 and banks will be fine as a cb2 and Phillips at nickle.
Banks was put in a position he wasn't ready for. That's on the GM & coaches.
Idc if they take a qb who they don’t truly believe in. I need some hope and I don’t want to run it back with a random veteran qb only for us to suck again next year. If we take a qb and he’s not the guy and we suck well then take arch manning. Cardinals moved off Josh Rosen after 1 year. Do the same until you get the guy
Shut up with Arch Manning already.
I don't think I'd ever recommend taking a QB you don't believe in hoping he proves you wrong or hoping you suck enough for the best prospect to be available for you the next year.
Knowing when to move on is huge, but that comes with admitting mistakes. Moving on from Rosen was huge, they could be in our spot if they didn't.
But I'd rather they use the pick somewhere else to make the roster better if there's no QB they believe in.
Let’s Go Big Blue💙💙
They NEED TO OVERPAY for a vet cb and draft one in rnd2.
Just let DJ play so we can tank.
If you feelt peatty good about players last year and they are worse this year, who's that on?
Players should improve over the year and not regress. Feels like the whole team has regressed (including DJ) and thats on the coach.
The biggest problem is Daboll at this point
How/why can deonte banks literally just not play the ball. It frustrates me week in week out when I’m watching the game live because I’m watching him get beat in great positioning
I heard they did ask jones to lift injury guarantee and jones said no
Screw him. I can’t wait till this selfish pos is off the giants forever
I don't know how you can possibly put neighbors as an All-Pro!! what has he done? he has made just as many amazing catches as he has drops!! stars are stars. we have 2, and Dexter Lawrence is one of them. Possibly Andrew Thomas as the next Nabers problem is that he wanted number 1 and got it.... and now the ghosts of giants past are haunting him. Mara should have never let that number come out of retirement.
On the other hand, you speak of Kyle Van Noy as not a good player. Kyle Van Noy is closer to All Pro than Malik Nabers!!!!!
Go Giants!!
Lawrence is the closest thing we have to a "star". No one else qualifies on this $h!+ team.
17:00 Daniel Jones is not the sole reason why they are 2-8, but he is the main reason. If you want to pick on the rest of the team, that's fine but it's missing the elephant in the room which is that the QB is noncompetitive. The team would be better with a better QB even if not a playoff team. They would have at least 4-5 wins. There have been at least five games this year where Jones was straight trash and the game was winnable with decent QB play - e.g. Minnesota, Philly, Dallas, Cincy, and Carolina come to mind.
Yeah, they lost a bunch of 1 score games. They also lost some of those games because of fumbles, penalties, drops, and not having a kicker.
We had our stars Odell Barkley Xman Julian love etc and we just let em all go
I want DJ gone 100% but he actually played some good games this year, just when he played well everyone else played like shit. bad defense, fumbles, penalties etc. Then when everyone else plays well DJ shits the bed.
Shut up Fool. Get off DJ's sac.
Alabama tackles just dont pan out in the nfl.
I will bet that the Giants will win enough games to not get the 2nd pick in the draft.
They’re going to start Drew Lock not Devito. Book it
No. They need better players at wide receiver.
Piss Eagles have stars all over the place & always stay healthy. Bizzaro world
Not Bizzaro world. Eagles have a competent GM who's good at his job.
@@cooldude7821 yes bizzaro world
@@richrucci6908 Joe Shame has been terrible in his 3 years on the job. Some make believe bu!!$h!+ your yapping about has nothing to do with it.
I have no clue why people are confident in joe schoen's ability to build a SuperBowl winning roster when going into year 4 we are going to potentially have the #1 overall pick and look absolute garbage
Schoen still has no clue, exhibit A 2022 Draft!
He's not fielded a better roster because of the limited resources and I believe he's done just fine obviously not good enough because 2-8 through the first 10 games for the past 2 years, they had to sign Jones in fear of not being able to get someone better and then having to let Barkley go because of another fear of committing too much money to a guy then who was considered injury riddled, Joe schoen he knew when he was first hired that there was plenty of work to do and so did daboll, do I think they are close no but they are definitely getting there and that's not something that was said about gettleman and Reese in his later years
I want meaningful wins vs the piss eagles so badly.
W mailbag don’t need to see it
Close to what Schoen? More season ticket holders not renewing, smh.
I have little faith in Schoen. He was exposed on Hardnocks in my opinion.
He's a phony crybaby!!
Take out the garbage time scores and the Giants are not close.
Bo Nix did his part to beat the Chiefs. Do you think that it would have been close with Daniel Jones? Still drinking the cool aide I see.
Giants are a good 2 or 3 years away. Russell Wilson is to old for them.
The "one score games "thing is so dumb, this is the NFL, most games end within one score, this isnt Madden
I'm rather neutral on this one.
Yeah I can understand the argument that it's dumb and ultimately a win is a win and loss is a loss.
But I can also remember 0-40 against Dallas last year and I can understand that there is significant improvement when you go from being outscored per game by 8.3 to 6.6 points per game... especially when your QB play is considerably worse.
Schoen Giants r a farm team for the rest of the NFL, BArkley, xavier, love....
they are not - hope this helps
Close to whaaaaaaaa? Delusions of Grandeur ……
The giants need reliable ot AT is always hurt .
The only thing the Giants are close to is the bottom....
22 roster was better
Potentially baker 🤷🏻♂️
they need a franchise QB and this is the first draft they can draft a QB the record in 22 took them out of range,there wasnt a guy worth picking in 23 stroud was the only good QB in that draft that went first,late season losses took them out of the mix for daniels and maye and jj or penix was a reach especially with a talent like nabers sitting there for you,now not taking a guy to challenge jones later in the draft rattler,milton however you want to pick was a huge arogant miss in my view that Qb room of jones,lock and devito we KNEW wasnt good enough ive said it before and ill say it again shoen picks a plan A with too much IF's attached to it he doesnt give himself a backup plan and scrambles to try and fix it after it goes pearshaped he doesnt build himself any alternative option if plan A fails,they used a fullback all preseason then didnt keep one on the roster,the year before they didnt keep a blocking TE on the roster when the TE room was decimated they didnt have ANY blocking TE on the roster, way i see it is jones is soooo bad that however they draft out of nussmier/milroe/ward or sanders couldnt be any worse,and for the record i dont want the circus that is sanders and the distraction of deion even thou he might be the best QB talent wise so if they are still in place next draft they HAVE to give them a MINIMUM 2 more years to not repeat the jones situation where your forcing back to back offensive system for a rookie and forcing the coach GM to be stuck with a dud QB they didnt draft which was the biggest problem jones entire tenure doing the same shit and expecting different results is the definition of insanity
How does a GM with a trashcan behind center & 24 picks at his disposal not pick at least 1 QB in 3 years.
Completely disagree with you. This team is close.
Hell naw. DJ is the qb next year until Manning is available. Get used to it kiddies.
Pass that $h!+ Bro.
Hell no little one
@ebayer4life980 If they did what the fans wanted, Barkley wouldn't be an Eagle.
@@BrettM765 Arch has played 3 games in college & your already on his sac. Eli is gone. Goofy juice head Eli is about to be gone. Y'all Fools need to let these Mannings go.
@cooldude7821 Tell Mara maybe he'll listen.
bad draft this yr for qbs
If anyone is eating up what Joe or Brian says at a press conference and these people call themselves giants fans… I must be on crack cause this team is garbage they are embarrassing to watch and to have the balls to come out and say your close???!!
This team is gonna be bad for a much longer time.
put daniel jones on the chiefs ....how many games they winning? Put mahomes on the giants...what is the giants record
Giants 7-3, Chiefs 3-7.
sooo many ads nowadays guys
Haha they definitely feel that way too
What people aren’t saying is this rookie class wouldn’t have to be stepping up so much of Schoen drafted well his first two drafts ….
Who cares if daboll MIGHT be a good OC, he sucks as a HC,
Justin brings nothing to the pod, extremely annoying. He's holding you back Bobby
Don't watch.
Kick ass on 1st down on offense and kick ass on 3rd down on defense. Produce Touchdowns in the redzone at a high rate. That’s the definition of a good team regardless of the Jimmy’s or the Joes. And to puff your collective chest out and declare we’re close due to all the one score games we lost is ludicrous Schoen. All that means is your team is bad at situational football.
Why would you say that’s the whole point of this year? They’re clearly rebuilding when we cut good players and didn’t spend money. I think they expected a bad year
What are you even talking about?
@ talking about Justin’s rant at
17 minutes in. He said the point of this year was to not be bad. But I disagree, they are in rebuild mode, starting rookies. Of course they were going to struggle
It’s year three if they are in rebuild mode to that large of an extent that’s even more of an indictment on them. But you’re also wrong. They traded and signed Burns for $30 mil AAV. The reason they are starting rookies is because they have so few talented players that they need their rookies to start.
Yeah I pretty much agree, but still no reason not to get better guys on the roster
@@Nabersszn5210 they will have like 70 million in cap space next year. And they didn’t really start fully rebuilding until this last offseason