Controversy around Bhojshala-Kamal Maula mosque in MP & why it has gained momentum post Ayodhya
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In order to determine the 'true nature' of the Bhojshala complex in Dhar, MP, ASI is conducting a survey after petitions were filed to ascertain if it is a temple or a mosque. In Episode 1429 of Cut The Clutter, Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta discusses the history of the monument & why there are contesting claims around it.
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Muslim invaders would make Nazis look like saints. I'll reiterate my old comment from the Allahabad HC Gyanvyapi CTC - Let's start at the beginning; it is a title suit. One party, whose property rights were wrongly stolen, is seeking redressal. You can spin it whichever way you want, but it is all about making right of a historical wrong. Isn't our affirmative action, aka reservation policy, based on the same principle? Many "experts" also vouched for the perpetuity of Article 370, but it got "bulldozed". Even INC does not have the guts to declare its re-implementation. Similarly, the Places of Worship Act can also be repealed by the parliament.
Agree; read my comment, too.
This will ruin the present.. loses of past aren’t recouped like this lol
@@imperator_odin
Who says that?😂😂😂
Historical and civilisational wrongs must be fixed!
Oh parliament can do ANYTHING alright. It's really never been a question of capability... If you have a majority... You rule.
Try telling that to the Palestinians 😂😂😂@@imperator_odin
if name "bhoj shala ka madarsa" means its mosque, it will be safe to conclude that Shekhar Gupta is descended of Native American Cherokee tribe.
Goodness. This was so good! I'm still laughing
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Gwaandd maro sabki bahin ki lodyes...
He's actually descended from an Afghan tribe.
This is old old issue. A religion destroyed places... and created its monuments on them...they thought the story ends there
With all theses controversies, a respectful Muslim should be ashamed on their ancestors 🤔
but they wont. they were designed by their prophet to destroy idolators.
That is the hindu way of thinking. For them it is pride, symbol of their reign. They identify themselves as Arabs and Persians.
Hindus and Muslims have common ancestors lol.
And, by your logic, we Hindus should be ashamed of other Hindus who are coming for their mosque and even destroyed Babri Masjid. Other Hindus even go to mosque on Hindu festivals to harass Muslims.
@@harshb747 A seperate country was created for people who identify as such. If there are still who think that way then they are welcome to go.
So should every Hindu. The problem is Hindus have no idea about the waring states pre Mughal era. Concept of India exists only because of Mughals. Without it India would have been 10 to 15 countries after WW2.
It's not about temples.
It's about reclaiming what's ours
😂
if someone reclaim your house land because he has proof of ancestory would you ready to leave your house🤥😂😂
That should be the law, unless you had a better title
@@BHARATHA007 only if it has been in dispute for decades, then if court order i have to leave. that why not all mandir turned mosque are being challanged, as other hasnt been filled petitoned or neither the hindu party tried ever to challange it. These are some of historic mandirs
Stfu not the same thing @@BHARATHA007
When there are Idols inside Mosques it’s clear case of temple. It’s not just statue just look at architecture. Muslim should respectfully hand over to Hindus in the sprit of Ganga-Jamuna tehzeeb.
well said ,
Most of the Hindu Temples were also Jain and Budhist Temples Jain sahab, will they get their temples back?
@@pp_01123 Says who 😂 😂
Most?@@pp_01123
😂😂😂 was just looking for something like you... Arrey bhai for sale of the argument maanlo Hindu's built temples by raising Buddhist and jain temples..... arrey but let Jain's and Buddhists claim it right? We will sort it out within.. anyways we Hindu's visit Derasars/Jain mandirs, Monestry and gurudwara as well and they visit our temples... So boss don't try to act smart...as no Hindu/Jain/Buddhist/ Sikh wants their sites under Muslim occupation....so you just worry about the mosques..... @@pp_01123
Truth must come out. To all those who are blaming BJP for this should know that the petition is only asking for a scientific survey by ASI, on what basis you can deny the people from knowing the truth? No matter how much you try to ignore the truth, sooner or later it is bound to come out. Right to truth should be the most important fundamental right after right to life.
When SC has allowed ASI to carry out survey in Bhojsala Bag Devi Mandir , Indore, what problem do the ecosystem have?
problem is them getting exposed . we all know the truth but still awaiting science to prove us that
We retain the right to justice & closure won’t be achieved without an acknowledgement of truth & reclamation of a few contested places where Hindus never dropped their claims.
Lele an Indian was a self taught historian but the English Babu was epitome of historical knowledge, as per Shekhar!!! Kya mentality hai?
He’s a Western stooge. When can you expect?
6:29 , Shahabuddin Gupta ji stopped short of saying that the architecture of Kamal Maula mosque is Hindu while showing idols of Hindu deities on the pillars. Instead, he said that it is similar to Ajmer Sharif and Qutub Complex just to misguide viewers. What kind of secularism is this?
Exactly, subtle but noticed by all. He is loyal though
@@007arunav , loyal to what/who?
Wow in UPA times .. state govts are scared of center dismissing state govts over a clash at one place …. And same people call democracy in danger after 2014 🤦♂️
It's not BJP but Supreme Court of India you need to thank for stopping that practice by the gutting those powers & reading down the relevant statutes & provisions. If anything, it goes on to show the Supreme Court once again helped saved India's democracy.
RW should learn something from LW, specially how to provide intellectual cover fire like this video... spread the crumbs of unverifiable doubts.. before a proper verification is done there is already a circle jerk of validation widely accepted in LW...
Uncle Sam 🙏
great insight
I feel, even if we hindus don't get all these temples back, it is important to fight for all the temples in the India, to tell the future generations of Hindus in India, the story of Muslim Invaders & how they destroyed the temples.
😂
Here comes converted @@MISHA_NARANG_SHARMA
First convince your literate girls & women the importance of maintaining healthy birth rate, otherwise future generations of Hindus won't exist; whom you/we want to tell history.
We have already liberated Ayodhya. The day is not far when we will take back Kashi and Mathura as well.
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So what is the issue? Some private people going to courts for an ownership case. Unless they start taking law in their own hands, to get the ownership, it is all fine.
Truth & Reconciliation can create more peace than hiding skeletons assuming ignorance to perpetuate.
If Reservations are provided as remedy for historical injustice, then restoration of religious monuments must also be undertaken - it is historical deprivation of right to religious freedoms.
Return our temples. And, if there's some forget about history nonsense argument, then we'll take it now and make it part of history that _you_ can forget about.
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The first mosque in india by delhi sultanate, quwat e islam was made by destroying a vishnu temple in Delhi. Its nothing unique to India. Muslims did same everywhere
No doubt you can show that houses of every muslim citizen of India is built on temples.
Because u believe in 330 million god and
U probably will say this stone is our this god or that god
With respect i want to ask for my knowledge
Why do u worship a thing which is made by u?
@@sirshendu2e01
Do u see the love
Why do do you believe
Do u see hunger
Why do you believe
Do u see pain
Why do you believe
Do u see u brain 🧠🤯
Why do you believe
Do u see soul
Why do you believe 🤔
What are you talking about 🧐
U can't even see the sun from ur naked eyes properly which is one of the billion of trillions sun in this vast universe
And u r saying that we won't believe until we see from our this👀.
We are not surprised because people before u used to say the same things.
We as Muslim believe in the only God whose supremacy is over all things.
And he can't be compared to any of his creation, because all things is his creation.
So whatever we can see, feel, touch, hear, or can imagine is not God but the creation of that God.
@@sirshendu2e01
Also
Can u see air
Why do you believe 🧐
Gravity Wind/Oxygen
Sound Heat
Emotions Cold
Life Magnetism
Smell Radio Waves, Wi-Fi
Taste Thoughts
Energy/Electricity Imagination
And much more that we can't see but we believe, we do feel, we do experience.
Likewise, even though we cannot see Him, we know God exists
@@sirshendu2e01
And we know that we are on the earth for a very short period of time
We believe
"It is a test for human kind"
And everlasting life is after de@th whether it is in heaven or hell.
This life of ours has very limitation so we can't see God but we believe after this life we will be able to see our Lord.
Actually every big religion teaches us the oneness of God
But people of those religions are not following their actual scriptures but following their monks or priest.
For example christian says they believe in the concept of trinity
That says god is three in one
But when u read bible u will see there isn't any concept of trinity in Bible
And there are Verse against this concept
Such that : 1st commandment
"Hear O Israel your God is One'
Likewise the word hindu was first used by a Persian man for people who live across the river Indus
Actual religion is sanatan dhrm
Which also teaches oneness of God but people corrupted the real teaching of vedas ect
Like brahma sutra: which is a good example for oneness of God
so what is problem here some people going to court for having claim there old land . further court will decide that it is or not
Even within the purview of places of worship act, when there are so many idols of HINDU DEITIES, how is its religious character Islam???
You should listen to KK Mohammed. He says hands-down this was a saraswathi temple
He is a dumbass holding onto his job. He is only worried about job security
భరతవర్ష సత్ సంకల్పం ఈ క్రొది నామ సంవత్సరం లో కృత కృత్యం కావాలని ఆశించే మీ సోదరుడు
We need all .... We already gave part of our country. Now need what is ours
Controversy is only for those who do not want to see the truth.
Can we expect more such videos with respect to all the temples destroyed by Jihadi Muslims mentioned in Sitaram Goel's book, "What happened to Hindu temples"?
Legitimising spoils religious fanaticism is legitimising religious fanaticism as a tool of political change - if one community is able to intimidate a constitutional institution to affect political change irrationally then it sets precedent for other commubities to do the same...
There is no question of who owns place ...question is who invaded the place...
I hope next time the following will help for balanced presentation
'Flight of Deities...' by Meenkshi Jain. Chapter 'Central India', section ' Bhojashala at Dhar' page 158-159
Reconciliation must happen .
BJP is accused of stoking Hindu Muslim tensions, by challenging the status quo, and supposedly congress is peaceful by supoirting the status quo, but who does the status quo benefit, Waqf Board, Madarassa subsidy, imam stipend, no tax on mosques, cobsideration as a minority and minority benefits even thpugh historically having never been oppressd, its clear who the status quo in India under the guise of secularism supports.
Such Mosques will always be surveyed till history is written by vested interests
“Well of wisdom” = place to throw books 🤣🤣
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I think 🤔 Islamic Society in India,should resolve these Issue (of Masjids built upon Temples ) once for all. Because this Baapan Baniya Janatha Party will go on do Politics leaving other issues.By Hand over of these kind of Masjids built-up on Temples, in return The Image of Islamic Society Not only in India but also entire world gains some mileage because in entire world islamic society has this bad image of destruction and bloodshed .Hope Indian Muslims listen archelogist kk muhammed Ji golden words.
Lol their ego will not let it
Muslims celebrate aurangjeb, what you expect from them
@@chanakyabharat756it is not about ego, it is about preventing kafirs (mohammad's non followers) from exercising their religious rights, as mohammad wanted.
Lol arabic books thrown into well
Any mosque that sits on desecrated temple grounds should be taken back
Definitely, w/o a doubt
that amounts to all mosques ever made
Not a new controversy..... its a very old issue... many riots also done in past at these place which called Bhojshala... which is build by Raja bhoj as saraswsti temple and established statue of Vaagdevi and run as a sanskrit school but later when muslim rulers come in these region... as usual they change the character of these place and create mosque.
So, invaders followers have same rights as native Indians, if not more
Architecture at Mandu, also needs to be discussed, about Jahaj Mahal.
I think Scientific Study by ASI should be done on all religious places more than 200 years old. - regardless of the affliation. This is to establish and document all such historical places.
if people believe these discussions are a waste of time then their beloved coupta ji should'nt have covered it in 20 minute video
6:29 , Shahabuddin Gupta ji stopped short of saying that the architecture of Kamal Maula mosque is Hindu while showing idols of Hindu deities on the pillars.
The offer was reasonable for the Muslims that leave 3 or maybe 4 temples alone and get away with others ..Well but miya bhai ki tangdi uuchii...Now 4 will be taken others as well. Muslims hate BJP, but they are the ones who'll keep BJP in power for atleast 5-6 more terms atleast..
Once a Temple is always a Temple...Restore the cultural heritage of India...Restore Bhojshala
It's not just a temple mosque issue.. it's a cultural issue..
We are not cowards
Its shameful that such a thing even exists but wont be for long
Thank you for the time and energy spent on this topic.
You have done your job very precisely what was paid for.
Every one has to live and you choose to make your living out of it. You call it journalism or historian is paid job for living.
What is missing action from the government at the time of partion they are worried about properties of the muslims community to save created a WAQF board. They simply ignored the fact the temples which are ruined or destroyed or occupied by them was of no concern.
What you expect from Nehru when he said he feel suffocated in the corridors of temples in South India.
They ignored deliberately on temples issue and present day Khangress party ignored Pran Pratishtha event with clarity on which side their interest are.
It is just beginning and need to do the rest of the temples also.
Still trying to bluff keeping aside facts.
Truth is the authority, not authority is truth.
I think you need to revisit your opinion on Congress manifesto that it's moving to center from left, in light of Rahul's statement on wealth redistribution, one group like adivasi having first right on wealth (of course, their PM said minority having first right over nations wealth), jitani abadi utana haq etc. hope un-biased media clears this part.
now, finally, it's typical of many in media, to always put responsibility on majority on these issues, basically implying that they should forget past, let bygones be bygones and settle with what they have got today, ignoring feelings of hurt felt by so many among majority for centuries. Each of these holy sight, as requested by people, need to undergo ASI survey and truth must come out. Only truth of what happened can lead to meaningful lasting solutions
Congress party on economic issues are on centre under manmohan singh and but right wing on non economic issues such as congress oppose ucc, support article 370 , against triple talak laws till 2019 and now under maliarjun Kharge and Rahul Gandhi leadership congress become centre left on economic issues and centist on non economic issues such as congress support reform in personal laws , supports new law like ucc
Historical injustice must be addressed and corrected.
Hindu & Muslim ( Who Are Ex-Hindu ) And Developed as " A Grand Temple of Goddess Saraswati " ❤ A Faith of Humanity ❤
Blame my Bundelkhand roots, I totally misread Bhojshala in the thumbnail and wondered if ThePrint got hacked 😂
Shekhar jee, it was disappointing to see a full CTC in this communally divisive issue. There are more important issues to be dealt with
Your late, this is almost old story
हाथ कंगन को आरसी क्या : the architecture pillars and walls are shouting that it is a temple.
ASI Should Be The Hallmark of Whole of India 🇮🇳
sir, your narration is nice. pl. make videos of all places where there is dispute. It will add knowledge and make aware to hindu society. you can take help of sitaram goyals book ' what happened to hindu temples.
Namaste sir
Who else here swears they just heard him say 2:50 ‘Who was a sufi saint of the chisthi gang! He was a sufi saint to bring further disorder’?
I wish the best wishes and blissful blessings of kanaka durga matha on this auspecious begining of our new year KRODHI NAMA SAMVASTARAM 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
. My brothers and sisters of our holy country akhanda bharatha varsha have lost their mind and soul and bartered it to the colonial foreign fobea., as our Sai Deepak well said in his book INDIA IE BHARAT.
Muslims in india lost their regime to britishers first,
Second they sought a seperate pakistan for muslims who were settled in this nation on humanitarian grounds.
All laws including our constitution are selfish, appeasing muslims and christians, devoid of natural justice to hindus sons of this soil.
On the above grounds when muslims have no right whatso ever on this soil, why india is running from pillar to pole, to set right the attrocities of muslims on our temples agaist hindus.
Natural law and bharat ethicks alone should set right these flaws 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Muddukrishna mudiraj rtd tahsildar &hon. President AP state mudiraj sangh vijayawada🙏
Why the mazar emerged just within Hindu temple region.
Siddheshwar temple (Muslim mazar ) solapur in maharashtra.
SG, only a few years of life is left......at least now try honest reporting. Don't always be a Presstitute 🐖
Not “Agitation”, reckoning!
कोई बिक जाए और जनता पहचान न पाए, यह संभव नहीं।
सॉफ्ट ब्रेनवाश का नाम सुना था आज देख भी लिए । ध्रुव राठी तो बच्चा है इनके आगे । एक से बड़ के एक lkfc है।
All of it
I say literally all of it
Its not a prediction,
Its a spoiler...!
According to the order of 7/4/2003, only rice and some flowers are allowed on Tuesday, no kind of puja is allowed. Please read 7/04/2003 order.
It is time to repeal Places of Worship Act and abolish it and reclaim our heritage.
The statue of Saraswati has been found at the instance of Dr Subramaniam Swamy however Modi has refused to retrieve as he considers him ( Dr Swamy ) as his enemy . In any case all the idols brought back by Modi from Germany, Australia and US are the effort of NGO , India Pride Project: Bring Our Gods Home of young enthusiasts S Vijay Kumar and Anurag Saxena based in Singapore . Since these Heritage items are considered a National treasure and hence can not be property of private individuals/ organizations. Maa Annapurna Idol was traced by Divya Mehra in Canada . However, as usual the govt shamelessly took credit for the same . The budget of Archeological Survey of India has been reduced over the years . Jai Hind
The only way to get back items from foreign lands back to India is done by government to government dialogue !!! A single person can not get anything back from a foreign land !!!. It is the foreign ministers who have dialogue to address the issue !!!!
Justice for victims.
Jay SHRIRAM❤❤
Astrological survey of SG !
So much baggage, after independence these should have been settled within 20 years
Restore all temples!!!
40,000 temple destroyed during that Turki colonization of India.
Mr. Shekhar, you should not give your opinion as you always say you are not an expert.
It could also have been a jain temple. Which seems to be the most possible scenario... As idols found are jain idols
temple design n archeological is more of a hindu temple. the carvings of gods are hindu gods. i dont mind if jains get this temple. but it can no longer remain islamic structure.
Or it could be temple for both Jains and Hindus.
Because vaagdevi is originated in Hinduism. Jains don't call Saraswati by that name. But at same time Jain murtis were also there.
It is not something out of box go visit ellora you can see Buddhist, jain and hindu cave side by side.
Even today Jains pray in Hindu temples
No issues even if it is handed over to the jains
If Jains or Buddhists ask for a temple, we will give them. We WON'T even ask for evidence. Let them just ask - "hey, this is our Temple, give it back". And we will bend over backwards and give them with all the love.
@@SDFNI3894YR you're reply tells that you have never been to a jain temple then. Also, I was just stating a possibility based on the evidence.
We had just requested for 3.
Ayodhya, Kashi, Mathura.
but
दुर्योधन वह भी दे ना सका । Now cry.
I don't know if this is a claim back to our glory or to create many problems, fighting everyday on some religious issue and punishing the current generation for crimes committed by their ancestors. Seems like the next few generations of Indians may fight among themselves for their(all) rights.
He said this, she said that and Shekhar Gupta mysteriously forgets his comments , opinions and telling truth to power. No cutting the clutter here, only beating around the bush!
Good transformation in the way things are interpreted by Mr. Shekhar now after years of meaning less talks.
जब नाम ही भोजशाला है तो अवैध अतिक्रमण तो हटना ही चाहिए। बाहरी लुटेरों ने अगर कोई अपराध किया है तो आज की पीढ़ी को उसे डिफेंड करने की क्या ज़रूरत है। आख़िर आक्रमणकारियों के निशान तो मिटाने ही पढ़ेंगे।
Temple
Not surprised 😅 because
If they can they will find a temple inside the land of every muslim citizen of India.
Kumble, Bhajji, Ashwin are nowhere close to Guptaji ...Indias premier spinner disguided as a story teller
It is a temple with Hindu artifacts
Haigh Sophia was built in 2nd century so do compare with it.
Hindutva India is now hovering in sixteenth century. Hindus should know many Hindu temples are on Buddhist. Buddhist should start retrieving those temples and make the history straight. Brahman Hinduism desecrated "Vihara" and forced Buddhist out of India.
Yeah... of course... The architecture shows its totally a Mosque... 🙄
All temple must be reclaimed by Hindu
we need to understand that mecca is not in india
Justice shall be done
You have not lauded the Modi government for not dismissing any state government- is that due to your bias?
People are being misled with all these gimmicks, too much focus is put on reclaiming, renaming, and ruining entire social fabric of India. Just think is a temple that Important? If government really cared about history, they would have taken care of our museums, our forts, our historical literature better. Religion is not the only history of our country.
All such issues should have subsided once
De chuke hai Pakistan Bangladesh in the name of Islam.
Bad luck we had khangress panoti.
Qutub minar complex also have a ruined Jain temples
First I hope
Bharat pride must be restored soonest possible. Mughal , Muslim , Britishers invasion must be exposed in true brutality form.
What about Buddhist monuments and places of worship destroyed
If Buddhists ask for them, we will give them back with great love. We won't even ask for any evidence. Just their claim is sufficient reason and we will give it back. Is that good enough?
Let the Bhuddists claim it. Remember, Dalai Lama is on our side. We will ask the Bhuddists to lay their claim on Bhamiyan that Taliban desecrated
Why are u poking ur nose between two Indic faiths?
@glenmascarenhas7885 Don't dry hump. Fight the case in the court. Have you filled FIR? Let your proof speak than your rethorics.
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