His successor Herod Archelaus the son of Herod the Great and a Samaritan woman was even more meshugah than his father. He was that cruel that eventually he was deposed by Augustus through the beseeching of the Jews and sent to Gaul. He managed in 10 years to destroy the self governance of the Jews , and Eretz Yisroel became a Roman province called Judea Ruled by the Romans . Only to come back in their hands by Agrippa I son of Aristobulus the son of Herod and Mariamne. This Aristobulus was the one killed by his father. Agrippa was held hostage in Rome ( the Romans did that to prevent insurgent client kings ). Little did they know that Herod killed his children anyway. He was a good king and the last to hold that title . Even his crazy brother Archelaus was only given the title Ethnarch . Ironically he only got the title King because he was a childhood friend of Caligula another Meshuganer.
Herod said to himself: Who expounds the verse: “One from among your brothers you shall set as king over you” (Deuteronomy 17:15) as meaning that he who is appointed as king must come from a Jewish family and cannot be an emancipated slave or a convert? It is the Sages who expound the verse in this manner, insisting that a king must have Jewish roots. He then rose up and killed all the Sages, but spared Bava ben Buta in order to take counsel with him. Herod placed a garland made of porcupine hide on Bava ben Buta’s head, which pricked his eyes out. One day Herod came and sat before him without identifying himself in order to test him. He, Herod, said: See, Master, what this evil slave Herod is doing. Bava ben Buta said to him: What should I do to him? Herod said to him: The Master should curse him. Bava ben Buta said to him: But it is written: “Do not curse the king, not even in your thoughts” (Ecclesiastes 10:20). Herod said to him: He is not a king, since he rules illegally. Bava ben Buta said to him: And even if he were merely a rich man I would not curse him, as it is written: “And do not curse a rich person in your bedchamber” (Ecclesiastes 10:20). And even were he only a leader I would not curse him, as it is written: “And you shall not curse a leader among your people” (Exodus 22:27). Herod said to him: That halakha stated with regard to “a leader among your people,” that is, to a fit Jew who acts as a member of your people, i.e., in accordance with Torah law, and this one does not do the deeds of your people. Bava ben Buta said to him: Nevertheless, I am afraid of him. Herod said to him: There is nobody who will go and tell him, since you and I are sitting here alone. Bava ben Buta said to him: Nevertheless, it is written: “For a bird of the sky shall carry the sound, and that which has wings shall tell the matter” (Ecclesiastes 10:20)….. Herod said to him: I am afraid of the Roman government, that they will not permit me to make changes in the Temple. Bava ben Buta said to him: Send a messenger who will travel there for a year, and remain there for another year, and take yet another year to return. In the meantime, you can demolish the Temple and rebuild it. He did so. Eventually, they sent a message to Herod from Rome: If you have not yet demolished it, do not demolish it; and if you have already demolished it, do not rebuild it; and if you have demolished it and already rebuilt it, you shall be counted among those who act wickedly, seeking counsel only after they have already acted. Even if you are armed and in command of a military force, your book, i.e., your genealogical record, is here. You are neither a king [reikha] nor the son of a king, but rather Herod the slave who has made himself a freeman [kelonya]. The Gemara asks: And how did Bava ben Buta do this, i.e., give advice to Herod the wicked? … And if you wish, say the Temple is different, as without the help of the government it would not have been built.(Bava Batra 4b)
Syphilis did not arrive in the Old World until Columbus's discovery of America, and its progress throughout Europe was well documented by writers, historians, and physicians of the day, also by Voltaire who discussed the matter in his writings. Present day genetic analysis identified Guyana as the place the disease originated from. Modern medicine suggests Herod may have suffered chronic kidney disease (hence the itching) that became complicated by Fournier's gangrene, Herod's ultimate cause of death.
Interesting! I always wondered if he didn't suffer from a massive round worm or tape worm infestation. I think they can invade the brain. Alternatively, an encapsulated parasite like Trichinella can destroy the kidneys and brain.
(edited) It is theorised by some that the Paul, of the new testament, may well have been King Herod the Great's grandson. _King Herod the Great's sister; Salome I with her second husband Costobar had a son named Antipater (Idumeens)._ _King Herod the Great with his wife Mariamne I, had a daughter named Cypros II._ _King Herod the Great's daughter Cypros II, married King Herod Great's nephew Antipater (Idumeens) these cousins, Cypros II and Antipater (Idumeens), had a son named Saul._ _Summery: King Herod the Great had a grandson named Saul._ _In the new testament, Paul's letter to the Romans records this:_ Romans 16:11 Salute Herodion my kinsman...
Great video as always. One thing that I will add is that his malady was unlikely (according to most currently accepted scholarship) to have been syphilis (which is widely, though not completely, accepted to have come with the discovery of the "New World"). I read/was taught that there are literary indications (mentions of worms...) that it could well have been Fournier's gangrene.
The Gemara asks: How could Bava ben Buta have advised Herod to raze the Temple and build another in its place, as will be described later? But doesn’t Rav Ḥisda say that a person must not demolish a synagogue unless he first builds another synagogue to take its place? The Gemara answers: If you wish, say that he saw cracks in the old Temple structure. And if you wish, say that actions taken by the government are different, as the government does not go back on its decisions. Therefore, there is no need to be concerned about negligence, as there is in the case of ordinary people. As Shmuel says: אִי אָמַר מַלְכוּתָא עָקַרְנָא טוּרֵי עָקַר טוּרֵי וְלָא הָדַר בֵּיהּ If the government says it will uproot mountains, it will uproot mountains and not retract its word. (Bava Batra 4).
What is the time frame or historical context of the Bava Batra 4 reference? (Sorry about my ignorance. I'm not Jewish. 😊 I only ask because the sentiment is echoed by Jesus in the parables.
@@amyk6403 When the kings of the Hasmonean monarchy besieged each other in their civil war, Hyrcanus was outside of Jerusalem, besieging it, and Aristoblus was inside. On each and every day they would lower dinars in a box from inside the city, and those on the outside would send up animals for them to bring the daily offerings in the Temple. A certain Elder was there, in Jerusalem, who was familiar with Greek wisdom. He communicated to those on the outside by means of Greek wisdom, using words understood only by those proficient in Greek wisdom. He said to them: As long as they are engaged in the Temple service, they will not be delivered into your hands. Upon hearing this, on the following day, when they lowered dinars in a box, they sent up a pig to them. Once the pig reached halfway up the wall, it inserted its hooves into the wall and Eretz Yisrael shuddered four hundred parasangs. (Sotah 49) This sad episode was the result of the instigation brought about by Antipater the Idumean . The Idumeans were forced to convert to Judaism by King Yochanan in the early days of the Hasmonean dynasty. Antipater a cunning politician had Hyrcanus ask Pompey to come take Jerusalem from his brother Aristoblus he came in 63 Bce and besieged the city. He desecrated the temple and effectively gave Rome a foothold in Judea . Antipater used the weaknesses of Hyrcanus and even finagled him to give his granddaughter Mariamne to his son Herod. Eventually Herod his son will kill all the Hasmoneans and take the throne. Herod was a slave in the house of the Hasmoneans. He set his eyes upon a certain young girl from the house of the Hasmoneans. One day that man, Herod, heard a Divine Voice that said: Any slave who rebels now will succeed. He rose up and killed all his masters, but spared that girl. When that girl saw that he wanted to marry her, she went up to the roof and raised her voice, and said: Whoever comes and says: I come from the house of the Hasmoneans, is a slave, since only that girl, i.e., I, remained from them. And that girl fell from the roof to the ground and died. It is related that Herod preserved the girl’s body in honey for seven years to prevent it from decaying. There are those who say that he engaged in necrophilia with her corpse and there are those who say he did not engage in necrophilia with her corpse. According to those who say he engaged in necrophilia with her corpse, the reason that he preserved her body was to gratify his carnal desires. And according to those who say he did not engage in necrophilia with her corpse, the reason that he preserved her body was so that people would say he married a king’s daughter. (Bava Batra 3b) there is comparative narrative in Josephus for after killing Mariamne ;”but as soon as ever his passion was over, he repented of what he had done, and as soon as his anger was worn off, his affections were kindled again. And indeed the flame of his desires for her was so ardent, that he could not think she was dead, but would appear, under his disorders, to speak to her as if she were still alive” (War of the Jews book 1 chapter 22) Of the sages living in his time was Menachem ( the Essene according to Josephus)he joined Herod. Menaḥem departed and Shammai entered. The Gemara asks: To where did Menaḥem depart? Abaye said: He departed and went astray. Therefore, the mishna did not wish to delve into the details of his case. Rava said: He departed for the king’s service. He received a post from the king and had to leave the court. This is also taught in a baraita: Menaḥem departed for the king’s service, and eighty pairs of students dressed in silk robes left with him to work for the king, and that they no longer studied Torah. (Chagiga 16b) It was in the time of Hillel and Shammai which our sages teach , Hillel, and his son Shimon, and his grandson Gamliel, and his great-grandson Shimon filled their position of Nasi before the House, while the Temple was standing, for a hundred years (Shabbat 15a) So Hillel’s Sanhedrin was from around 30 bce a hundred years before the destruction of the temple. The same time Herod reigned. Herod was a great builder . Until this day the western wall is a remnant of his temple, the building on top of the cave of the patriarchs in Hebron, the Masada fortress are all some of his massive projects still visible today. The Sages say: One who has not seen Herod’s building has never seen a beautiful building in his life. (Bava batra 4a) The story related in Mathew with the magi and Herod ordering all babies killed is a bit problematic as Herod was dead by 4 BCE . Mathew concocts a plot device to have baby Jesus be born in Beth Lechem . For the author of Mathew its important that the messiah be born there because of a misreading of Micha 5. Problem being that Jesus was from Nazareth in the Galilee. So he weaves a fairy tale why no one knew if his birth in Beth Lechem and how they fled to Egypt and ended up in the Galilee. The Author of Luke gets baby Jesus down from Nazareth to Beth Lechem because of a census. They don’t go to Egypt but he’s born in a manger.
Thanks Doctor for this amazing series. It’s worth also mentioning the words of Chazal. This is what Shmuel said at that time: Anyone who says: I come from the house of the Hasmonean kings, is a slave, as none remained of them except for that young girl who ascended to the roof and raised her voice and said: From now on, anyone who says: I come from the house of the Hasmonean kings, is a slave. Other than this girl, the only members of the family who remained were descendants of Herod, and he was an Edomite slave. The girl then fell from the roof and died, leaving only slaves from the Hasmoneans. (Kedushin 70b). According to the sages he killed every remnant of the Hasmonean dynasty. And even pushed his wife Mariamne to take her own life. Ramban explains”…This was also the reason for the punishment of the Hasmoneans, who reigned during the Second Temple. They were saints of the Most High, without whom the learning of Torah and the observance of Commandments would have been forgotten in Israel, and despite this, they suffered such great punishment. The four sons142 of the old Hasmonean Matithyahu, saintly men who ruled one after another, in spite of all their prowess and success, fell by the sword of their enemies. And ultimately the punishment reached the stage where our Rabbis, of blessed memory, said:143 “He who says, ‘I come from the house of the Hasmoneans,’ is a slave,” as they were all destroyed on account of this sin.144 Now although among the children of Shimon, there was cause for punishment on account of the Sadducees,145 all the children of the righteous Matithyahu the Hasmonean were deposed for this only: they ruled even though they were not of the seed of Judah and of the house of David, and thus they completely removed “the sceptre” and “the lawgiver” from Judah. And their punishment was measure for measure, as the Holy One, blessed be He, caused their slaves146 to rule over them, and it is they who destroyed them. It is also possible that, [in addition to the Hasmoneans having sinned for assuming royalty when they were not of the tribe of Judah], they sinned in ruling on account of their being priests, who have been commanded: Guard your priesthood in everything that pertaineth to the altar, and to within the veil; and ye shall serve; I give you the priesthood as a service of gift.147 Thus it was not for them to rule, but only to perform the Service of G-d.”(Nachmanides Genesis 49:10)
Sectarianism next is appropriate with Rosh Hoshanah coming up. I recently watched a video (on Machon Shilo i think) about how Rosh Hoshanah represents how a king assembling his subjects cuts through sectarian differences- their love/respect of the majestic darshan of the king sublimates their normal desire to not so much as civilly being around political and axiological rivals and enemies if not for their mutual love the king.
According to Josephus, his mother was Cypros, an Arab-Nabataean noblewoman. She could have converted but we have no knowledge of this. "Antipater married a wife of an eminent family among the Arabisus, whose name was Cypros, and had four sons born to him by her, Phasaelus and Herod, who was afterwards king, and, besides these, Joseph and Pheroras; and he had a daughter whose name was Salome." (The Wars Of The Jews chp 8.9, Whitson)
@@bill4149 It is theorised by some that the Paul, of the new testament, may well have been King Herod the Great's grandson. King Herod the Great's sister; Salome I with her second husband Costobar had a son named Antipater (Idumeens). King Herod the Great with his wife Mariamne I, had a daughter named Cypros II. King Herod the Great's daughter Cypros II, married King Herod Great's nephew Antipater (Idumeens) these cousins, Cypros II and Antipater (Idumeens), had a son named Saul. Summery: King Herod the Great had a grandson named Saul. In the new testament, Paul's letter to the Romans records this: Romans 16:11 Salute Herodion my kinsman...
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Herod was like Stalin. Any person who was popular among the people, he killed was a potential threat.
His successor Herod Archelaus the son of Herod the Great and a Samaritan woman was even more meshugah than his father.
He was that cruel that eventually he was deposed by Augustus through the beseeching of the Jews and sent to Gaul. He managed in 10 years to destroy the self governance of the Jews , and Eretz Yisroel became a Roman province called Judea Ruled by the Romans .
Only to come back in their hands by Agrippa I son of Aristobulus the son of Herod and Mariamne. This Aristobulus was the one killed by his father. Agrippa was held hostage in Rome ( the Romans did that to prevent insurgent client kings ). Little did they know that Herod killed his children anyway.
He was a good king and the last to hold that title . Even his crazy brother Archelaus was only given the title Ethnarch .
Ironically he only got the title King because he was a childhood friend of Caligula another Meshuganer.
What's a meshuganer?
@@amyk6403 Meshugah is Hebrew for crazy , Meshuganer is Yiddishised for crazy person.
Michigan is the state and it’s inhabitants are Michiganers 😊.
@@zafirjoe18 got it! 😅
Thank you so much Dr. Abramson for these wonderful lectures 👏🏼
Be blessed 😇 for being such a blessing 💞 🇮🇱 ✡️
Herod said to himself: Who expounds the verse: “One from among your brothers you shall set as king over you” (Deuteronomy 17:15) as meaning that he who is appointed as king must come from a Jewish family and cannot be an emancipated slave or a convert? It is the Sages who expound the verse in this manner, insisting that a king must have Jewish roots. He then rose up and killed all the Sages, but spared Bava ben Buta in order to take counsel with him.
Herod placed a garland made of porcupine hide on Bava ben Buta’s head, which pricked his eyes out. One day Herod came and sat before him without identifying himself in order to test him. He, Herod, said: See, Master, what this evil slave Herod is doing. Bava ben Buta said to him: What should I do to him? Herod said to him: The Master should curse him. Bava ben Buta said to him: But it is written: “Do not curse the king, not even in your thoughts” (Ecclesiastes 10:20). Herod said to him: He is not a king, since he rules illegally. Bava ben Buta said to him: And even if he were merely a rich man I would not curse him, as it is written: “And do not curse a rich person in your bedchamber” (Ecclesiastes 10:20). And even were he only a leader I would not curse him, as it is written: “And you shall not curse a leader among your people” (Exodus 22:27).
Herod said to him: That halakha stated with regard to “a leader among your people,” that is, to a fit Jew who acts as a member of your people, i.e., in accordance with Torah law, and this one does not do the deeds of your people. Bava ben Buta said to him: Nevertheless, I am afraid of him. Herod said to him: There is nobody who will go and tell him, since you and I are sitting here alone. Bava ben Buta said to him: Nevertheless, it is written: “For a bird of the sky shall carry the sound, and that which has wings shall tell the matter” (Ecclesiastes 10:20)…..
Herod said to him: I am afraid of the Roman government, that they will not permit me to make changes in the Temple. Bava ben Buta said to him: Send a messenger who will travel there for a year, and remain there for another year, and take yet another year to return. In the meantime, you can demolish the Temple and rebuild it. He did so. Eventually, they sent a message to Herod from Rome: If you have not yet demolished it, do not demolish it; and if you have already demolished it, do not rebuild it; and if you have demolished it and already rebuilt it, you shall be counted among those who act wickedly, seeking counsel only after they have already acted. Even if you are armed and in command of a military force, your book, i.e., your genealogical record, is here. You are neither a king [reikha] nor the son of a king, but rather Herod the slave who has made himself a freeman [kelonya].
The Gemara asks: And how did Bava ben Buta do this, i.e., give advice to Herod the wicked? …
And if you wish, say the Temple is different, as without the help of the government it would not have been built.(Bava Batra 4b)
Birthday parties must have been pretty grim in that family . Thank you for sharing .
Thank you
Syphilis did not arrive in the Old World until Columbus's discovery of America, and its progress throughout Europe was well documented by writers, historians, and physicians of the day, also by Voltaire who discussed the matter in his writings. Present day genetic analysis identified Guyana as the place the disease originated from. Modern medicine suggests Herod may have suffered chronic kidney disease (hence the itching) that became complicated by Fournier's gangrene, Herod's ultimate cause of death.
Interesting! I always wondered if he didn't suffer from a massive round worm or tape worm infestation. I think they can invade the brain. Alternatively, an encapsulated parasite like Trichinella can destroy the kidneys and brain.
Nice guy. Reminds us the benefits of modern democracy.
Still I am enamored by the architectural beauty + historical material relevance
Another educational presentation, thank you.
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(edited) It is theorised by some that the Paul, of the new testament, may well have been King Herod the Great's grandson.
_King Herod the Great's sister; Salome I with her second husband Costobar had a son named Antipater (Idumeens)._
_King Herod the Great with his wife Mariamne I, had a daughter named Cypros II._
_King Herod the Great's daughter Cypros II, married King Herod Great's nephew Antipater (Idumeens) these cousins, Cypros II and Antipater (Idumeens), had a son named Saul._
_Summery: King Herod the Great had a grandson named Saul._
_In the new testament, Paul's letter to the Romans records this:_ Romans 16:11 Salute Herodion my kinsman...
Great video as always. One thing that I will add is that his malady was unlikely (according to most currently accepted scholarship) to have been syphilis (which is widely, though not completely, accepted to have come with the discovery of the "New World"). I read/was taught that there are literary indications (mentions of worms...) that it could well have been Fournier's gangrene.
The Gemara asks: How could Bava ben Buta have advised Herod to raze the Temple and build another in its place, as will be described later? But doesn’t Rav Ḥisda say that a person must not demolish a synagogue unless he first builds another synagogue to take its place? The Gemara answers: If you wish, say that he saw cracks in the old Temple structure. And if you wish, say that actions taken by the government are different, as the government does not go back on its decisions. Therefore, there is no need to be concerned about negligence, as there is in the case of ordinary people. As Shmuel says:
אִי אָמַר מַלְכוּתָא עָקַרְנָא טוּרֵי עָקַר טוּרֵי וְלָא הָדַר
בֵּיהּ
If the government says it will uproot mountains, it will uproot mountains and not retract its word.
(Bava Batra 4).
What is the time frame or historical context of the Bava Batra 4 reference? (Sorry about my ignorance. I'm not Jewish. 😊 I only ask because the sentiment is echoed by Jesus in the parables.
@@amyk6403 When the kings of the Hasmonean monarchy besieged each other in their civil war, Hyrcanus was outside of Jerusalem, besieging it, and Aristoblus was inside. On each and every day they would lower dinars in a box from inside the city, and those on the outside would send up animals for them to bring the daily offerings in the Temple.
A certain Elder was there, in Jerusalem, who was familiar with Greek wisdom. He communicated to those on the outside by means of Greek wisdom, using words understood only by those proficient in Greek wisdom. He said to them: As long as they are engaged in the Temple service, they will not be delivered into your hands. Upon hearing this, on the following day, when they lowered dinars in a box, they sent up a pig to them. Once the pig reached halfway up the wall, it inserted its hooves into the wall and Eretz Yisrael shuddered four hundred parasangs.
(Sotah 49)
This sad episode was the result of the instigation brought about by Antipater the Idumean . The Idumeans were forced to convert to Judaism by King Yochanan in the early days of the Hasmonean dynasty. Antipater a cunning politician had Hyrcanus ask Pompey to come take Jerusalem from his brother Aristoblus he came in 63 Bce and besieged the city. He desecrated the temple and effectively gave Rome a foothold in Judea . Antipater used the weaknesses of Hyrcanus and even finagled him to give his granddaughter Mariamne to his son Herod. Eventually Herod his son will kill all the Hasmoneans and take the throne.
Herod was a slave in the house of the Hasmoneans. He set his eyes upon a certain young girl from the house of the Hasmoneans. One day that man, Herod, heard a Divine Voice that said: Any slave who rebels now will succeed. He rose up and killed all his masters, but spared that girl. When that girl saw that he wanted to marry her, she went up to the roof and raised her voice, and said: Whoever comes and says: I come from the house of the Hasmoneans, is a slave, since only that girl, i.e., I, remained from them. And that girl fell from the roof to the ground and died.
It is related that Herod preserved the girl’s body in honey for seven years to prevent it from decaying. There are those who say that he engaged in necrophilia with her corpse and there are those who say he did not engage in necrophilia with her corpse. According to those who say he engaged in necrophilia with her corpse, the reason that he preserved her body was to gratify his carnal desires. And according to those who say he did not engage in necrophilia with her corpse, the reason that he preserved her body was so that people would say he married a king’s daughter.
(Bava Batra 3b) there is comparative narrative in Josephus for after killing Mariamne ;”but as soon as ever his passion was over, he repented of what he had done, and as soon as his anger was worn off, his affections were kindled again. And indeed the flame of his desires for her was so ardent, that he could not think she was dead, but would appear, under his disorders, to speak to her as if she were still alive”
(War of the Jews book 1 chapter 22)
Of the sages living in his time was Menachem ( the Essene according to Josephus)he joined Herod.
Menaḥem departed and Shammai entered. The Gemara asks: To where did Menaḥem depart? Abaye said: He departed and went astray. Therefore, the mishna did not wish to delve into the details of his case. Rava said: He departed for the king’s service. He received a post from the king and had to leave the court. This is also taught in a baraita: Menaḥem departed for the king’s service, and eighty pairs of students dressed in silk robes left with him to work for the king, and that they no longer studied Torah.
(Chagiga 16b)
It was in the time of Hillel and Shammai which our sages teach ,
Hillel, and his son Shimon, and his grandson Gamliel, and his great-grandson Shimon filled their position of Nasi before the House, while the Temple was standing, for a hundred years
(Shabbat 15a)
So Hillel’s Sanhedrin was from around 30 bce a hundred years before the destruction of the temple. The same time Herod reigned. Herod was a great builder . Until this day the western wall is a remnant of his temple, the building on top of the cave of the patriarchs in Hebron, the Masada fortress are all some of his massive projects still visible today.
The Sages say: One who has not seen Herod’s building has never seen a beautiful building in his life.
(Bava batra 4a)
The story related in Mathew with the magi and Herod ordering all babies killed is a bit problematic as Herod was dead by 4 BCE . Mathew concocts a plot device to have baby Jesus be born in Beth Lechem . For the author of Mathew its important that the messiah be born there because of a misreading of Micha 5. Problem being that Jesus was from Nazareth in the Galilee. So he weaves a fairy tale why no one knew if his birth in Beth Lechem and how they fled to Egypt and ended up in the Galilee.
The Author of Luke gets baby Jesus down from Nazareth to Beth Lechem because of a census. They don’t go to Egypt but he’s born in a manger.
...If the the commandments are observed properly, there should prosperity and no killing or murder.....
Oh, please, thanks, after sometime, perhaps because of the You Tube scheduling.
No wonder Herod became crazy. His father was the opposite of a father!
In a better timeline Herod stays out of politics and becomes a gardener.
Herod got his just desserts by marrying a Jewish princess.
Thanks Doctor for this amazing series.
It’s worth also mentioning the words of Chazal.
This is what Shmuel said at that time: Anyone who says: I come from the house of the Hasmonean kings, is a slave, as none remained of them except for that young girl who ascended to the roof and raised her voice and said: From now on, anyone who says: I come from the house of the Hasmonean kings, is a slave. Other than this girl, the only members of the family who remained were descendants of Herod, and he was an Edomite slave. The girl then fell from the roof and died, leaving only slaves from the Hasmoneans. (Kedushin 70b).
According to the sages he killed every remnant of the Hasmonean dynasty.
And even pushed his wife Mariamne to take her own life.
Ramban explains”…This was also the reason for the punishment of the Hasmoneans, who reigned during the Second Temple. They were saints of the Most High, without whom the learning of Torah and the observance of Commandments would have been forgotten in Israel, and despite this, they suffered such great punishment. The four sons142 of the old Hasmonean Matithyahu, saintly men who ruled one after another, in spite of all their prowess and success, fell by the sword of their enemies. And ultimately the punishment reached the stage where our Rabbis, of blessed memory, said:143 “He who says, ‘I come from the house of the Hasmoneans,’ is a slave,” as they were all destroyed on account of this sin.144 Now although among the children of Shimon, there was cause for punishment on account of the Sadducees,145 all the children of the righteous Matithyahu the Hasmonean were deposed for this only: they ruled even though they were not of the seed of Judah and of the house of David, and thus they completely removed “the sceptre” and “the lawgiver” from Judah. And their punishment was measure for measure, as the Holy One, blessed be He, caused their slaves146 to rule over them, and it is they who destroyed them.
It is also possible that, [in addition to the Hasmoneans having sinned for assuming royalty when they were not of the tribe of Judah], they sinned in ruling on account of their being priests, who have been commanded: Guard your priesthood in everything that pertaineth to the altar, and to within the veil; and ye shall serve; I give you the priesthood as a service of gift.147 Thus it was not for them to rule, but only to perform the Service of G-d.”(Nachmanides Genesis 49:10)
...Wow...Interesting points...
Thank you so much/Bardzo dziękuję.
Sectarianism next is appropriate with Rosh Hoshanah coming up. I recently watched a video (on Machon Shilo i think) about how Rosh Hoshanah represents how a king assembling his subjects cuts through sectarian differences- their love/respect of the majestic darshan of the king sublimates their normal desire to not so much as civilly being around political and axiological rivals and enemies if not for their mutual love the king.
It has been some years since I read Michael Grant's biography of Herod so this was very much appreciated, Dr. Abramson.
Thank you for all your great work, Dr. Abramson!
You're so welcome!
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Was Herod's mother Jewish?
I believe his mother was Jewish, but his father was from Idumaea
According to Josephus, his mother was Cypros, an Arab-Nabataean noblewoman. She could have converted but we have no knowledge of this.
"Antipater married a wife of an eminent family among the Arabisus, whose name was Cypros, and had four sons born to him by her, Phasaelus and Herod, who was afterwards king, and, besides these, Joseph and Pheroras; and he had a daughter whose name was Salome." (The Wars Of The Jews chp 8.9, Whitson)
Forced conversion on the Idomean (paternal) side of his family, I believe. Mother was Nabotean.
@@bill4149 It is theorised by some that the Paul, of the new testament, may well have been King Herod the Great's grandson.
King Herod the Great's sister; Salome I with her second husband Costobar had a son named Antipater (Idumeens).
King Herod the Great with his wife Mariamne I, had a daughter named Cypros II.
King Herod the Great's daughter Cypros II, married King Herod Great's nephew Antipater (Idumeens) these cousins, Cypros II and Antipater (Idumeens), had a son named Saul.
Summery: King Herod the Great had a grandson named Saul.
In the new testament, Paul's letter to the Romans records this: Romans 16:11 Salute Herodion my kinsman...
@@KeepingWatch95 interesting, im not familiar with Saul son of Cypros (Bat Herod), do you have a source by chance? thanks!
What sources?? Credible sources?