Self-Destruction | House M.D.
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- The newest patient at Princeton-Plainsboro Teaching Hospital is influenced by self-destruction. Is wanting to be pain free a sign of mental illness? Meanwhile, Foreman questions Thirteen on continuously trying to shut out everyone around her.
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From Season 5 Episode 12 ''Painless'': At Cameron's (Jennifer Morrison) urging, the team takes the case of a suicidal man who suffers from excruciating chronic pain---pain that mirrors House's (Hugh Laurie). Meanwhile, Cuddy (Lisa Edelstein) discovers that caring for her newly adopted baby leaves her little time to run the hospital.
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Taub: "Sane people don't commit suicide"
Kutner...exited the chat
Someone needs to inform Taub that sane people do indeed commit suicide... when they know what's waiting for them a few weeks or months down the road.
A diagnosis of bone cancer would do it. Definitely a diagnosis of Alzheimer's would send me looking for the nearest handgun.
@@krisaaron5771 I'm perfectly sane. Have no mental health issues that's been checked and diagnosed. Had suicidal thoughts for ages, for about a decade or so; sucks but I have good friends that jolt me to reality before my head pops.
@@kryptikknowledge1501 when i am on anti.depressions inhave invasive suididal ideation
Off them, i dont.
Are you ok?
@@HumanimalChannel I have invasive thoughts all the time. Not been to docs or therapy (my own fault for leaving it for so long) I am okay. Just hard to go through a day without wanting to jump into traffic 🤦🏾♂️ but I have a good support group of friends to count on if things get too bad.
@@HumanimalChannel can always talk to me if you don't have anyone dude! Always got time for a buddy 👍🏽
That suicide remark by Kutner was horrifyingly sad...
What most people don't get about that scene is that it is a conversation between someone who attempted suicide in the past and someone thinking about suicide
I KNOW 😭
@@joaovitormatos8147 I thought they killed him because the actor had to join Obama, and it came out of nowhere for the writers as well, meaning they never meant to kill him off.
Or is this at a point where they knew the actor had to leave?
@@avinotion wym join Obama? Is he a politician?
@@youngking1276 I don't remember the exact position he was hired to but he was hired to work in the white house during Obama's tenure while acting on the show. He decided to take the job and left the show early.
Taub: "Sane people don't commit suicide"
Kutner: "Bet?"
Taub:"$100"
Kutner:"Easiest money of my afterlife"
That's not what "bet" means. Snowflake SJW rat.
Taub is and was wilfully blind, perfectly sane people do kill themselves for perfectly sane reasons.
@@haddy106 Oof.
except Kutner wasn't sane
I can't even imagine what kind of pain would make me say in front of my son "I want to die"
Sad story for real.
Been there(od) though I have no kids. First developed suicidal ideation at 8 years old. Intense bullying, my school had a policy it takes two to start a fight so even if they came up to hit me I got written up as well(I was a huge nerd). I also had two severely mentally ill parents(things only got worse until I got too about 30 years of age). Darkness swallows you and your heart feels like it is full of ice. It hurts to think any thought, so bad you will do anything to make it stop(think walking on broken and dislocated joints). You become impulsive and boom(my dark period lasted 22 years that is a long time to not act on impulsiveness). Intelligence makes it worse. You see all the implications of your current situation making it seems to drag out indefinitely. Problem with that thought process though is so many things can go differently because not everyone is like you. They have different abilities and reasons for acting. So it is almost never as bad as you think it will be.
@@michaelharris8598 he meant physical pain. Like in this video. You seemed very eager to share your story which is atypical in people with depression and other tramatic issues. I don't doubt your telling the truth. Just you should be aware that everyone is unique and even if two different people went through identical childhoods they still would see and handling everything differently. It's actually quite amazing because thats one of the few things that keeps us distinctly human. Otherwise you could just consider us biological robots acting on nothing but insticts
@@isuckatguitarandbass4256 Psychosomatic pain feels like pain to the patient it is generally outside parties that ID it correctly. As far as talking about it, your right most depressed and traumatized don't normally talk about it, that's part of the reason many don't get better . A decade of therapy including 6 months of group therapy for 5 hours a day 5 days a week plus medication helps. I have found that by not talking about it, hiding it, makes it worse. I used to keep it all on the inside, eventually I found that only makes things worse.
its a tv show not real
@@aliceramdom.s 🤡
This episode gave Kunter's first clue of depression. Just that no one would've guessed he was depressed.
and 7:54 confirmed, without any question, that the writers never intended for that to be a plot point.
No one ever knows you're depressed because most ppl don't know what depression looks like. I look like I'm happy, smiling, making jokes, hanging out. You know all the best comedians were severely depressed too. They knew how to fool us the same way the ones in need do. Look closer and pay attention
@@reynamoyer2379 yeah alot of comedians died in the 90s to suicide or death caused by depression (be that drugs or alcohol). Depression shows differently in different people and genders, so that's why its so hard to detect. Depression can lead to suicidal thoughts or actions, its best to seek professional help before you do anything bad.
There wasn't any foreshadowing; Kutner's suicide was last-minute, because he got a job offer with Obama.
I still think it was a good thing that they didn't get the chance... Sometimes, people die without any notice; sometimes nobody saw a suicide coming.
Sometimes, the reason people commit suicide is BECAUSE nobody would see their suicide coming.
@@CrashSable as someone who has attempted suicide more than once, the first thing I did was tell my family I would never even think of committing suicide
"Not ever?"
This line is haunting after certain future events
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Wait, i've seen House like four times over, what are you referring to?
@@ShammusWammus he off himself later on
@@viktorkhan6154 I know, It took me a minute to remember. Don't spoil it for others!
@@ShammusWammus I mean, you asked
That Kutner line "Not ever?" just hit WAY outta the blue I do not remember that
House is always in so much pain, unless you deal with a chronic pain it's hard to understand.
It does make you cynical, bitter, in a constant bad mood...depressed...
But he clearly does care about people, him always pushing himself so long and hard adds to his physical pain.
The worst part of pain is no one else understands what you're going through, unless they also experience it... And those that don't, think you only want pain meds, because you're addicted to them, and you only want to get high.
that’s so true. I watched House before i dealt with chronic pain & again after i had been living with the pain for a few years. I thought House was just a jerk but dealing with pain constantly, being able to feel the painkillers wear off down to the minute, having to cancel plans with friends last minute after flare ups, and dealing with what is sometimes an invisible illness made me resonate with this show like never before. & like House said, “pain changes people.” It really really does.
Yes it does, I had a really bad injury to my left shoulder and surgery didn't fix it, I spend pretty much every day in pain and have for almost 20 years now
...yep, same here: Physical pain has been the first sensation in the morning and the last one at night for about 16 years, now. When I saw the first few episodes, I was only interested intellectually and storytelling-wise. Throughout the years, I've been falling in love with the show over and over again though, because it's so close to the truth/reality that almost every episode keeps hitting home - every time.
i have chronic joint pain and have since i was a kid and honestly no it doesn’t unless you have other issues. the drugs make house worse, house’s personality before the muscle death makes it worse, his childhood trauma makes it worse. snapping while actively in pain cause you’re overwhelmed isn’t the same as permanently being rude and hurtful to anyone and everyone
The interesting thing here is that Kutner's explanation re: suicide as it applies to him ("when your life sucks from the beginning, you have nowhere to go but up") is completely at odds with what actually happened a few episodes later ☠
Lots of people embrace the fake it til you make it mindset until something works or nothing helps
What happened
@@Daniel_ACG You don't want to know
@@karlgie I do lol
@@karlgie I know now..
Thirteen: "Sounds like fibromyalgia."
Cameron: "Sounds like you dont work for house."
Ouch!
Thirteen was soo new she didn't take into account that any patients that reach House is never a simple diagnosis. Also Cameron is a senior and worked 3 years for House so she knows that it is never simple with him.
It was a good burn, but she definitely wasn't new at this point...
cameron was so unlikeable in this, it was totally unnecessary to be rude like that
@@Lightblinder I don’t think she was being rude she was just stating the obvious but it sounded like she threw a shade.
@@Lightblinder she has her… unpleasant moments but this didn’t feel like one.
Fibromyalgia is not a simple diagnosis, for the other reasons given in the episode.
Untreated pain and fatigue definitely can lead to severe depression over time. And gaslighting can turn the most accomplished and competent into traumatized recluses. I spent years seeking answers, spending energy and resources on medical appointments I dreaded, giving up my work and social connections as I became incapable of normal interactions. My issue was finally resolved by a psych I saw for severe cognitive loss. Whereas other docs insisted I was crazy and menopausal, the psych insisted it was something else and ran a 1000 euro in blood tests. When he called to say my tests matched my symptoms I cried. I had severe micronutrient deficiencies caused by cellular level malabsorption issues. It has been a long road to recovery, filled with rage and frustration, but finally seeing results. I also know how to walk out on a useless med appointment.
I'm glad you're okay now. Must have been a huge relief! I too had untreated hypothyroidism that resulted in severe fatigue and anxiety that I thought was told was part of "aging" and being "stressed" and overworked for 10 years that I had begun to believe it. It's crazy that a simple test would have prevented a decade of pain and degeneration.
What was your exact malabsorption/diagnosis and what test detected it?
besides the episodes, one can learn a lot about human biology pathologies among the comments too, interesting diagnosis. How is the treatment?
what was causing your malabsorption issues?
Kutner took that Taub line personally
Thank you house! At 1:17 when Taub says "he's seen specialists for 3 years and no one can find anything wrong with him, what does that tell you? " he automatically assumed it's not real or all in his head or he's exaggerating. House shut that down so fast because he knows that's not true.
Please don't assume we're crazy, or just looking for drugs.
Exactly, it’s not in my head.
its a tv show not real
@@aliceramdom.s 🤡
Snap back to reality it's not real try heroin
@@aliceramdom.s it happens in real life though.
“Nobody wants to die, they just want the pain to stop”
I have chronic pain that is mainly orthopaedic and I have had it for 28 years . The past 10 years I have had to convince myself to live one more day every single day And I'm completely sane . Sanity and wanting to end the pain are not even close to being related .
What is the pain caused by? Can you describe it?
@@TheFallenWarri0r right hip shattered , right knee shattered , pelvis broken in half , bottom 6" broken from spine ,8, broken ribs , left leg smashed and amputated above the knee . The rest of spine full of arthritis, right elbow shattered , cannot rotate either elbow , right arm numb , very low grip force both hands , nerve damage affecting most of body due to spinal damage .
15 operations on spine , 12, on other parts of body .
If you can imagine being in a prison cell and in the next cell is soneone who is going to come in a torture you in the worst way possible , problem is you don't know when they are going to come in and you have no idea how long the torture will last , might be minutes might be days . Is that enough ,,???
@@TheFallenWarri0r I am ex forces after 20 years accident and pain free , two months after retiring from the forces I started my new job , safety barrier gave way , fell from a roof onto a concrete floor , was back at work after 4 weeks and worked full time till five years ago when I took early retirement . Life is such fun .👍
Sad to hear that. Have you tried hard drugs, opiates? I mean, sure it's bad, but I guess you actually deserve them.
@@meredithtungsten2520 been on one kind or another for 20 years now , they don't work , nothing does , at its worst i curl up in a ball and scream until I pass out with the pain .
That kid at 2:40 is a great actor, he was also in the show criminal minds as a blind kid that witnessed his mothers death and was kidnapped by the guy that killed his mother, but the guy felt some type of remorse and just took the kid out to have a good time
I was gonna comment same thing.. kids a natural actor 👍
Jake Cherry
The fact that Taub could look back on this as a hint makes him crying in the episode where Kutner dies way worse
CREEPY HOW THE "SUICIDE REMARK" LINE PASSED US AUDIENCE WITHOUT US NOTICING THAT KUTHER WOULD.....
I....I just realised thirteen and cameron are 2 different people... thats what you get for only watching snippets of the show, im glad i started binge watching.
House MD is a great show but I highly recommend you don't binge it. It follows pretty rigid formula and binging it makes you notice it faster, at least it did for me and it put me off watching it for months.
@@161patox could you elaborate? Bc I remember trying to watch the series a couple years ago from constantly watching these clips but idk why I stopped lol
@@anneeeev Not really much to elaborate, it's a tip I usually give to people that want to binge-watch House. The show follows a strict formula with the patients and with House's character development, I don't know if you wanted me to elaborate on what exactly that formula is but I think it's better if you try to "find it" yourself because imo you enjoy the show a lot more if you don't see it haha
@@161patox i definetly see the formula but i dont really have a problem with it. Its always fun to watch, and i appreciate knowing the context of the previous episode because they sometimes include reminiscing on previous events.
well obviously because they are played by 2 different actors😐
Is anyone gonna talk the horrifying implications of 0:59
is this from the same season ?
@@leonardocafferata6697 probably not that was a lot more grey
*cries*
and 7:50 as well
If you watch the series you'd have known. Taub himself tried suicide in med school. That's why he's being insensitive about it
We gonna talk about 0:30? Cameron roasted Thirteen lol
house was probably about to do worse, thirteen was being a noob there
I dealt with back, hip, and leg pain for 8 years before I finally found a doctor that was interested enough to find out why it hurt and what to do about it instead of just pushing me out the door with super tylenol. I was 25 and walked with a cane because I couldn't do it without that. I slept on the floor because I couldn't lie in bed without it hurting. Sitting hurt. Standing hurt. Laying down hurt. Everything hurt and it hurt all the time.
When someone tells you they hurt that bad, you believe them.
Sadly, due to the opioid crisis, everyone automatically assumes someone complaining of inobvious pain is just someone trying to get drugs. It's terrifying.
There is no opioid crisis most users use for a good reason
House is simply cranky because he is acutely constipated due to all the vicodin he eats, is my diagnosis
Talb: Sane people don't attempt suicide 😒
Kutner: (Epic Side-eye) Not ever? 🤨
Also Kutner (8 Episodes later): 💀🔫
The best TV show ever made, if you ask me. You laugh, you cry, you think, you feel, all depths of human nature are explored, acting and writing is superb, there is science, philosophy, politics, continuous moral issues, continuous breaking down stereotypes, can be serious as a thing can be and light and naughty in the same scene. All characters are equally deep, developed, interesting, flawed, brilliant.
And, yeah, some diagnostical medecine is explained.
The best TV show ever made.
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I know exactly how you feel Jeff. I've been struggling with cancer & muscular neuropathy for 3 years now. There's not a single day I wake up not in pain, there isn't a single night I go to bed without tears in my eyes. I don't have what it takes to finish me off but I also no longer have the will to live.
@J.P Slaym0 you're speaking my language bud. I do from time to time. Not nearly as often as it would take to actually be beneficial in the way I would hope. And I don't believe it can be legally purchased here in Michigan.
Gabapentin if it’s nerve pain. If you’re dying… I’d think about assisted s*icide. I hate recommending that, but given your diagnosis, it might be grim.
I’m praying for you today!
You need a better physician. You need Jesus!
@@DMacDaddy Jesus has never been in my life so strongly as he is now. I have faith.
I hope you're still around, friend. And that you're holding on.
0:59 This is a particularly interesting scene to watch knowing Kutner’s fate. I know that the actor briefly left his acting career to pursue his political career (but is now back to acting) so I wonder HOW long the writers knew about what Kutner would end up doing. So there’s a few different scenes of Kutner that makes me wonder if the writing just happened to work out and make sense or if they had been planning it a bit ahead of time. I guess it depends on WHEN Kal Penn decided to leave the show and when he knew that he would be working in the White House.
He’s a great actor. Obviously he was great in the Harold & Kumar films, then this show, I remember he also portrayed a killer on an episode of Law & Order: SVU (he has been on many other shows and movies since then as well).
When I watched the horror movie “Smile” in the theater last year, I was happy to see him in the film! That’s a GREAT horror film btw, I was surprised at how scary and interesting it was. Highly recommend! Kevin Bacon’s daughter Sosie Bacon is the star of the film and she’s amazing in it. Kal Penn portray’s her boss at the hospital she works at.
Martin Henderson is an excellent actor, loved him on this episode
I wanna put out there that Kutner said “It’s people *like* me who don’t do it.”
He’s saying that he probably shouldn’t feel that way, or maybe he’s trying to dissuade his coworkers from any inkling that maybe there’s anything going on with him. He’s not necessarily saying he wouldn’t do it, just that they shouldn’t think he’d do it, that people like him wouldn’t do it (but maybe he would).
Or he did believe, in that moment, that neither he nor anyone else in his position would commit suicide, but later changed his mind. The human brain is a meat computer specialising in the creation of lies, and there's nothing it lies to better than itself.
Ok, yes taub saying "sane people dont try to commit suicide" is not a good thing to say, and kutner saying "not ever?" is a big deal given what happens, but the next comment "so if you were being burned at the stake and someone handed you a gun...?" and taub just saying "id shoot the guys with the torches" was hilarious
It's a perfectly sane and logical response to the question, but only if certain far less sane assumptions are true. The premise of the question implies that the gun has exactly one bullet, and that the victim is being granted the weapon as a gesture of mercy; it's then ridiculous to think that shooting a torchbearer would change the victim's fate for the better. Sure, if it's a modern automatic rifle with a full 30-round mag and the victim has both hands free to handle the weapon, maybe they could get away, but it's ludicrous to entertain that Kutner is proposing such a scenario... Taub is basically just dodging the question to avoid confronting his beliefs.
Taub really thought reading out the written depression survey was the best use of his time
Thats a huge amount of foreshadowing for what happens to tao eventually
right
I remember this one, The son and father were playing ball hockey and the son hit the father in the groin and cause damage which caused the pain for three years.
No.
Testicular epilepsy.
0:57 The foreshadowing here for Kutner is heartbreaking.
The bit about Kutner is a huge coincidence seeing as he only left the show to go work for Obama. It wasn't planned.
happy coincidence that can be used by talented writers to expand characters for well written drama.
@@UncensoredScion They found a way to make 13 disappear and reappear. It didn't 'have to' be suicide. They could have retro'd this scene in, right around the time the actor gave notice.
@@kevinobrien9626 yeah you're missing the point where I said talented writers can expand character for well written drama.
For instance, the 13 disappearance and her supposed murder of a person went nowhere.
Meanwhile no one ever forgot that a friend of theirs and a long-time co-worker was so miserable in his life that he just killed himself. That was partially why everyone was so concerned about House during his hallucinations and then relapse as he looked to be self-destructing.
Well written compared to trivial.
@@UncensoredScion You're missing the part where I didn't argue with you.
"Everybody Lies"
Gregory House
"Does this look like quail to you?" (Holding a big thick steak)
Um, no, not at all...
boy: why don't you let my dad die? House: son this isn't canada
Such a powerful foreshadowing scene..
I wonder if all of the suicide talk with Kutner was planned. I know the actor was moving on to work(for the secret service) somewhat suddenly later on.
Secret service? Did he not work to help Obama in his race to win Presidency?
He was working for the Obama cabinet, not the secret service
@@irishboy_pa but the secret service sounds more interesting. Leave it be
@@johndoe70770 Incorrect information is still incorrect even if it sounds cool. Shut your mouth.
@@johndoe70770 It's not true though. Just believing a lie because it sounds better opens you up to believing who knows how many other lies.
(EDIT: Sorry for the book of a comment 😂)
The diagnosis of Fibromyalgia to this day still makes me angry.
After speaking with ALOT of different doctors and specialist, the majority of them have told me they’ve come to the same conclusion over time… that fibromyalgia is essentially a painful diagnosis of “we don’t know what’s wrong with you”
Before people who are diagnosed with or know some who has been diagnosed with fibromyalgia, I am in NO WAY saying that people with this diagnosis arnt experiencing pain on another level. Because they are! Everyday!
I know that because I am one of them. But again doing a lot of research and speaking to a lot of specialists, it’s essentially giving a diagnosis without giving an actual diagnosis.
And one of the shitty parts about this diagnosis is if you have it in your chart and go to the doctor or especially the ER with some other new or different symptom or something medically going on that is causing you pain, quite a few doctors will immediately brush you off and say “it’s just your fibro flaring up” with no further investigation into the situation. And that’s a dangerous place to be in medically.
I’ve had the pleasure of meeting some amazing people with the same diagnosis and have heard horror stories regarding this issue. And have experience this issue myself as well.
This issue even cost my long time therapist who I also consider a friend her life due to this problem. They wrote it off as her fibro flaring up without any further testing, only to find out after her death that she had late stage bone cancer in her hip that metastasized.
So if you are diagnosed with this, I am so sorry you are having to go through life with pain and do not be afraid to advocate for yourself!! You know your body! And if something is off or wrong then please speak up and don’t take this explanation as an answer if you feel there’s more to it!
Unpopular opinion but that has been my experience.
Glad someone gets it! It's gotten to the point I don't mention I have fibromyalgia if I know it's another issue.
Some days, I stumble to the kitchen to feed the animals, white as a sheet, trembling, dizzy, nauseous, tingles going down from my shoulders to my fingers, my back gripped in a vice like pain, I put a cushion on the floor for when I faint. I know that's a fibro flare.
But when I fell down stairs, and couldn't put pressure on one of my legs due to the pain in my hip, the hospital did x rays, said my joint popped out and it's back in, there's lots of arthritis in my spine and hips, and the pain is probably a fibro flare...went home with painkillers and anti inflammatories, and have pain in that hip since then, sometimes it just gives way.
I told my urologist that part of my urine retention problem is a side effect of some of the fibro meds. I wake up after a procedure, and one of the medications she has prescribed is not indicated for people with urine retention issues!
I was diagnosed with fibromialgia 2 decades ago. The first 3 years were grueling until a acupuncturist told I should hit the gym to strengthen my muscles. Though I was never 100% cured, it diminished the pain to 10% to 20% of its peak (it fluctuates still). But I can live a pretty normal life. And... I still hit the gym 4 or 5 days a week. I hope it helps.
This watching U TOOB shorts ain’t cutting it. I’m gonna have to watch the whole series.
Kutner: "I wouldn't commit suicide."
The writers eight episodes later: "SYKE!"
_«It's people like me who don't do it.»_
-Kutner
Every doctor who says only insane people suicide should lose his license immediately.
The idea that your currently unbearable reality will continue on forever and that nothing will change (including your perspective) is irrational.
@@caroabbottbronze
First, irrational is not insane.
But I don't even agree with that. I'm in my 30s and I don't remember any time when I wasn't depressed. Even when I was too young to actually understand what it means. A lot of things change over my life, but I never actually wanted to live. What's irrational about assuming it's going to be like it for the next 30 years, and 30 more after that?
@@caroabbottbronzeThey don’t think it’s gonna go on forever, they think it won’t improve if they can’t receive diagnosis and appropriate treatment in a reasonable timeframe. We don’t have a good grasp of “forever” but we do know we don’t want to feel irreversible pain for months, years, or decades to come. Why even try to speak on chronic illnesses honestly
If you get to the point where you want to end your life there is something mentally wrong. I wouldn’t say insane but delusional could be a better description. The human nature is to want to live. If you go against the typical human want to be alive then you aren’t thinking clearly. Something is wrong mentally. People try deflecting suicide way more than they should.
@@caroabbottbronzeit’s irrational to treat suicide that way.
THANK YOU for uploading Painless! My favourite episode.
What exactly was the problem with this guy?
Epilepsy - specifically abdominal epilepsy. The seizures were in the part of the brain connected to the muscles supporting the testicles. It re-wired his pain neurons.
13 was right.
If you're wondering, The dude had epilepsi, and it had somethig to do with his balls
I googled it so you don't have to
That is where the brain is stored
@@haddy106 😆🤣🙃😅
its a tv show not real
@@aliceramdom.s 🤡
the amount of unintentional foreshadowing of Kutnar's suicide on various episodes is a bit weird (in an eerie, good way lol).
Every single time a doctor asks if you're depressed when you're in horrible chronic pain trying to get answers and you just want to tell them how utterly stupid that is. Too many smug, incompetent a-holes. Many of us have been there. This is why House saying this is so satisfying.
And then they want to prescribe anti-depressants instead of strong pain meds because gawd forbid you become dependent on the meds in order to function normally again. Treating depression in chronic pain cases is tackling the symptom while the cause keeps scoring touchdowns.
@@12thDecember Blame the opioid junkies. You might jump to the conclusion that "the boomers are holding back treatment because they fear drugs", but it has a lot more to do with how many healthcare providers are assaulted every day in hospitals by drug-seeking fakers. Yes, ethically we really must treat every case with compassion and the assumption that the patient is being genuine, but riddle me this: how many punches, kicks, bites, objects and feces thrown at you could you handle before you hardened as a person? I feel terrible for people like you who can't get the medication they need. I also feel terrible for all of my colleagues that so often burn out or even kill themselves as well. We need a solution, but in a word, well... Politics.
I wonder if they already knew what was going to happen with Kutner when they were writing this episode, or if they found out after.
After
i never liked the Kutner suicide plotline because it felt so shoehorned but maybe this actually gives more reason to it? How many episodes was this before the suicide?
Tbf, I think it did have to be rushed because of the actor being selected onto Obama’s White House Team
Kutner saying people like him don't commit suicide is so sad.
He’s right
@@orishaeshu1084 he's not right. He committed suicide.
@@NH-tb2sm he was right about that too
Rest In Peace Brother 🙏
its a tv show not real obviously
@@aliceramdom.s 🤡
@@aliceramdom.s Oh sure... Nothing like this ever happens in real life...
When I started showing symptoms of FMF (familial Mediterranean fever, also covered in HOUSE to the extreme set of symptoms) I didn’t realize I was showing signs of depression. Anxiety, yes, was a norm but depression, not really. I never received a depression screening at the time either. However, looking back between ages 19-24, when the pain was at the worst, I was showing symptoms of depression. I slept a lot, lost interest in many things, joy…When my symptoms resolved and I went into therapy at 24, I felt better.
FMF had led to chronic joint pain and inflammatory pain that truly inhibited my social circle. Bowel pain, uterine pain, chest paint, swelling…I remember the pain being so terrible I’d just lie in bed with heating pads because ice didn’t work. I’d massage my joints and be so inflamed I’d bruise. My periods. Ear crippled me. Intestinal pain and digestive issues due to inflammation. I’d have inflammation of the ribs and sternum which made it difficult to breathe. 😮 yeh, looking back I definitely was depressed
At age 29 when I went on SSRIs for PTSD/GAD, I was already resolving my symptoms due the episodic nature of FMF, but my inflammation disappeared. SSRIs inhibit inflammation. I looked in the mirror and realized my skin didn’t feel puffy…I felt cool, I didn’t have soreness or swelling…I had lived with the symptoms so long I forgot what it felt like to feel NORMAL of mood and body. 😊
The fact that it was Kutner of all people to rebuke again saying that sane people don’t commit suicide hurts more now
But they already said he had a medicine cabinet full of narcotics. Wouldn't swallowing those down be more effective and less painful?
You would think so. It is more painful pills.
if you're talking about the patients suicide attempt, i've learned in a mental health class in school that men tend to choose more agressive and violent methods to commit suicide than women
@@TheBest6431I have a couple ideas that could contribute to that decision as well. It may have been sour of the moment, he's in his garage, working on his car, and it just comes to him, maybe after a wave of pain. "I could just close the garage door and be done" alternatively, he may have thought, actively or subconsciously, that since the pills don't work for his pain, that they may not do the trick effectively, leaving him in a worse state that he started.
@@maniacalsnowballas long as it was an opioid overdose the worst part would be throwing up
That young man's face when his dad started to have heart failure was very convincing. If he has trauma I hope he dles.t keep doing acting. Acting can take a huge toll on people a.d child actors big time...if that young man had trauma in his childhood I hope he keeps up with therapy
Im curious: are there diagnosis machines/methods that can detect and quantify nerve signals to the pain receptors in the brain? I mean electricians can diagnose a short or a improper energy flow in an electrical system by tracking voltage, why not a similar method for the nervous system?
I wanna give kurtner a hug
Yeah, about that...
@@DUSKvsDAWN HELP NOT TY REMINDER
Its amazing how hateable Cameron was for someone on the good side..
She's a scold. Nobody likes a scold.
Exactly! I especially hated how she went to House after finding out what Chase did to give her you guys are tainted now speech. Who is she to pass judgment like that?😒 Go be holier than thou somewhere else
She has such a horrible worldview. The lady who imagined bugs in her skin and how she dealt with Chase are two examples that come to mind.
Kutner's remark about suicide is haunting if you know what happened later.
“Search the home, go home, and get a refill” 😂😂😂
I've had this discussion before about Kutner and what ultimately caused him to commit suicide (completely ignoring the fact that Kal Penn went on to be a diplomat for Obama, so Thanks Obama). In the episode that it happened in, they had uncovered that the guy who killed Kutner's parents had died in prison. Kutner had bought a handgun with the intention of gunning him down the moment he stepped foot out of the hospital. As soon as he learned about that guy's death, that was when he turned the gun on himself. No one would have suspected Kutner to do such a thing, either. His foster parents, Mr. and Mrs. Kutner described him as a delightful child, even so much, that HE decided to take on their last name and regard them as mom and dad. But from the time his parents were both killed, Kutner had the goal of waiting until the man who killed them was released from prison so that he could kill the man personally. When he died, that meant his purpose was fulfilled, and he could rest knowing that guy was dead.
If you're life sucks from the beginning things can only go up. I used to think that. But then they went down. And further down. And I'm still free falling.
It can still go up, and unexpectedly too, one day you could wake up miserable and by the end of the day you're entire life could be changed. Keep going, every hard day makes you stronger and the world will be a better place with you in it, I hope things can get better for you, it's not easy to go on, but I hope you do
his delivery on that "i want to die" was so powerful
Can we count how many times Dr house popped norcos in this episode
Should make it a drinking game. Everytime House pops pills, take a shot.
What was the end of the episode?
I never noticed Kutner said that until I’m rewatching episodes after he died.
"I'd shoot the guys with the torches"
I like this guy.
How much is the bill of patients in this show?
Aw the little boy was my friend in high school his name is jake cherry & he played in night at the museum 🫶🏼
I have fibromyalgia. It's all the symptoms that come with fibro. I used to stay home and I have come as far as 39 hrs a week work, with meds and weight loss.
Bro the child😭
right
0:50 to 1:10 Oh wow. If you know you know. I've never rewatched this episode...
Suicide is a truly unknowable event. We are twice as likely to kill ourselves when compared to the likelihood of being violently killed. Our children kill themselves more often now than they did just five years ago and we, as a species are working diligently to render our own planet (the only one we have found so far in the whole of the Universe) unable to support life.
We are facing a global self extinction and yet no one truly even wants to understand suicide.
That is how much it scares us. How little we understand it.
I loooove thirteen’s outfit here
4:39 “ does this look like quail to you?”
- Are you freaking kidding me? Like who in ff knows what “Quail” even freaking looks like and how to differentiate a quail from any other bird? This is ridiculous to even contemplate. Is this pigeon, parakeet, or quail! Hmmm?
Quail is sized between parakeet and pigeon, and much more likely to be frozen for food. ( as breast butterflies)
Self-destruction is self-fulfilling.
I mean, we're all slowly dying from the day we're born...
its a tv show not real
@@aliceramdom.s Yeah, it's not there are actually self-defeating people out there.
@@aliceramdom.s 🤡
"He needs more medicine"
Man i hope that's improv from the kid because that gave me a laugh
"it's people like me who don't do it" - Proceeds to do it
The scary thing with suicide is that you think about it. A lot. Never quite there and think it isn't something you'd do because of a number of reasons or saying others have it worse. Then one day you just have it worse and it's all gone in that moment. Easy to convince others when you have yourself convinced. It's why being alert for your loved ones is so important because they may not even know until it's too late.
Everyone is different though.
With pain, feeling it constantly for years is torture, I’ve been in constant pain for more than half my life I don’t remember the last time I went a day where I wasn’t in pain. I can’t even count the amount of times I’ve wanted to shoot myself to become paralyzed so that I wouldn’t feel that pain anymore, but I never would because I know that I’d be worse off
Part 2 or episode name and season
5:46 “he needs more medicine”
Common TH-cam comment on House videos
@00:47 is he Gideon Godard from Mr. Robot?
Family is not allowed to be present when tests are being performed...such as a biopsy.
It’s lupus. Its always lupus.
It's never lupus.
Im a simple man. I see a house video with thirteen in the thumbnail, I click
"Sane people don't commit suicide"
Obvosly he's not a doctor because anyone would know that's not true. Cancer patients and many more people in pain would rather die then deal with it. Any actual doctor would know that
...You do realize this is a show and NONE of them are real doctors right?
I cant believe it was infront of us this whole time woth Kutner. Its so sad
tHIS EPISODE MAD EM GAYAYSYS
Why are you gay?
@@haddy106 House
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House is really starting to rub off on the other doctors by this point in the series.
These episodes are too short.
Is that normal for medical staff to search people's homes? I've only seen that on House.
Really curious how Kutner's character would have shaped up if the actor didn't leave the show to go work in the White House lol
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me too jeff me too
Its so strange how the show was obviously setting up Kutners character to be Anti-Suicide only to kill him off via Suicide. Like, I get it, the dude was moving on and you had to explain away his departure, but did you have to gut his character at the same time?
Fibromyalgia - the only thing I have found that does any sort of pain relief is infrared light therapy. I have gotten my life back.
Truly? I thought it was bogus
@pamspencer5733 - I wouldn't have believed it either, but my chiropractor, of all people, has helped me more than the rheumatologists! She is also diabetic and has extra credentials when it comes to nerve pain.
Back in the 90s, scientists discovered that certain wavelengths of IRL actually stimulate cells into working more properly and thus causes them to heal. Example - when we are young, our cells regenerate and heal, but as we age, that slows down......drastically, if injured.
It's been raining a lot here in Texas, and my bones feel like they vibrate with the barometric pressure changes, and i become gimpy. I don't have that problem when I use IRL. I also did something stupid that resulted in stitches, and that scar has lightened and blended in with the rest of the skin. It's not as pronounced like it was before the IRL.
In the end, I have my life back.
@@justanotherenigma Interesting, as I researched this. I have Anklyosizing Spondylitis ( arthritis thru out sternum,lumbar, neck,& was told by my deep tissue masseuse to look into chiro work. It's not recommended. I don't take meds for pain yet.I don't want to take Humera etc.. I thought IRL therapy was a scam.. I know people get oxygen therapy via decompression chambers, that's very $$$ however . I have a house in Galveston & I love the island & Texans! I'm from the burbs of Buffalo, Ny & the lack of Sun, but D caused my issues.. I used to be an athlete & now feel ancient.😌! I take Ubiquonal & PQQ for mitochondria help.. I have MTHR genes & lots serious health conditions! Thank you for your testimonial ❣️
Tab really made me frustrated in this scene. I work at mental health and for him to just easily be so numb and not really care about the client and asked the serious questions or make it seem like the client was an actual person and ask him like what’s been going on and just robotically went with a chartreally makes me upset how the mental and physical health fields just tend to be so numb to all this after a while!
**House proves patient lies**, his team mates understand it but somehow trust next patient again 🤔
bc they're morons