Few things to note: 1) I should have clarified: *NO BOSSING UNTIL 99* if you're focused on experience. Bossing is good for profit and mechanics, but experience (especially when learning) is abysmal. 2) Turning chat off in an MMO is silly, yes. But if you've been scammed before, you can never be scammed if you interact with others. Pretty extreme but hey, it works. 3) About NMZ, it's ok to do it for imbues and a few levels for weapon/armor requirements, but maxing it out without touching Slayer for the most part will be counterproductive if going for high levels/maxing.
You say that doing woodcutting/fishing is a better use of afk-time than nmz (they are way less afk) since you have to get them out of the way (implying that everyone has a goal of high/maxed skills), but then you immediately say not to set big goals. If people just want to try fun bosses and have no goal of maxing it absolutely makes more sense to afk combat to make those bosses possible.
@@commonsense660 a lot of end game content (mainly raids) do reccomend you have high skill levels for woodcutting, thieving, agility etc. 99 slayer takes the average person 500+ hours or maybe less, I'm not sure. Why would you ham-string your self financially in the game by not training combat via slayer?
Biggest mistake was getting past mid game😂 barely played until I finally unlocked stuff like Gargs and nechs and then fell in love with slayer, getting close to 99 in less then a year with two cerb pets under 800kc
@@JavierPwns slayer is kinda fun. Makes you money once you get past 70 slayer. I have a level 97 piety account that has 70 slayer, which I started when I was level 40.
@@JavierPwns Get a viggoras chainmace and do wildy slayer, you'll hit like a truck and you barely ever get pked as long as you make sure to block lava dragons and revenent tasks. Larran's keys drops and that risk of getting pked keeps you engaged and entertained, not to mention you'll rack up slayer points much faster. I hated slayer until I started doing it with krystilia.
Compared to top money makers like raids and nex, almost all slayer doesn't even register on the chart If you're going to skip for hydra tasks then you can potentially make 1/3 of the GP/HR at level 95 Slayer focused is a terrible way to get to end game content and high bank value
@@razorn6247 Not terrible but yes there is better ways. But for many its enjoyable, also really good for building a good enough gear for the better money making content
Im sorry but not doing bosses until 99 slayer is the worst tip ever. Im like 100k xp off 99 slayer and ive done as much bossing as possible because I like it. I have several 100 kc to several 1000 kc in almost all bosses and my bank is around 600m. If i hadnt done any bossing i doubt my bank would be worth 150m
Agreed, currently doing a gargoyle task on the guardians and they're a good midgame boss to start learning mechanics for endgame pvm on a more chill pace. I quite enjoy doing them.
I literally have kc in all end game bosses/raids from nightmare to tob with an infernal cape but I'm 89 slayer LMAO worst tip ever is an understatement
I think you guys missed the start of it when he says "if you are focused on the grind". He's not saying it's mandatory, he is simply explaining the efficacy
@@brawlfamily1j660 its doesn't seem to...he explains it specifically. IF you are focused on the grind, don't touch bosses till 99. The video is 100% correct.
Hard disagree on multiple points here. Depending on your goals NMZ is the way to go. I wanted quick access to endgame PVM content. NMZ afk made that possible with my schedule. I cant be leveling slayer for a year. Daily runs are a chore, lots of people will quit them after a while. They are also worse gp than just doing raids if you were going to do that anyway. You don't need 100m+ equipment for new challenges. DHCB + more as a min req for vorkath doesnt make much sense to me. I started running Vorkath as a money maker with low 90 melees, torso, dragon legs from the boss itself and a Lance which cost me 46m or so. With this you can get a consistent 3 kills a run and up to 5 on occasion.
Actually enjoying slayer while watching your combats slowly rise is one of the core gameploy loops of the game, so missing it all for NMZ feels cheap. Daily runs break up the monotony and are going to be good money makers all the way up until much later in the game, and bossing and raids are difficult and very counter-intuitive to the otherwise casual and relaxed nature of the game in almost all other ways - Its definitely jarring for players who have come to enjoy the game as the slow casual grind that it is. Skipping all of that just to do late game pvm seems like you're missing the majority of what the game really has to offer. But thats the great thing about runescape is that everyone can choose their own way to play.
The real way to play the game: do whatever you want, it's a game. I enjoyed maxing, but one of my friend only does fishing all day, combat lvl ~70 for the last 4years. He meets people and chats. Says he might get into mining someday (been saying that for 2years now). He has just as much fun as I do.
This dude is known to be pretty opinionated, but im with you. Especially with the nmz point, i got 99 str and atk before nightmare zone dropped, thru doing bandits and it made my slayer grind 100x faster.
I've played on and off since RS Classic. One big thing I see is how much time people waste looking through their banks. Spend a few hours organising your bank, setting bank tabs and layouts (runelite) and you will noticeably see a better gameplay.
NMZ warrior all day baby! Having low slayer than your combats gets such a bad rep. I work in an office, so I am on a computer all day. I remote desktop my home computer and have my account in nmz easy mode all day. Every 15 minutes I can just re pot up and click my health back to 1 and leave it alone, takes like 10 seconds. This is efficiency at it's peak! I don't have the time to be able to fish or any other "afk" skill. The nmz is true afk, and it makes slayer SO much easier to train when your combats are in the 90s.
I'm old enough that on my main, NMZ Guthans Hosting and 6hr logout timer was still a thing. You'd get a host NMZ world with ONLY the best bosses (at the time you had to only do the quests, you couldn't select which enemies would be in the NMZ any other way) and then you could afk with Guthans for 6hrs. I would Wake up in the morning before work and get it going, come home at noon, restart it, come home after work, and then play normally. Baiscally I became max combat in the background, it was glorious. I'm glad I did all that before they removed it from the game.
For me a big mistake is not tracking long-term progress. As a working adult with a family, I hardly have time to play, maybe 1 or 2 hours per day at most, sometimes more on the weekends. Since the grinds are so long and incredibly varied, it can easily feel like running in place. But if you pan out and make note of where you are, say, at the end of a month versus the beginning, it can feel more fulfilling to see it from that perspective.
This is me, so my way of combatting this and avoiding burnout was to do OLAAT (1 lvl at a time) and in between do 25% of a Runecraft level in between each level I get. So I sat and wrote a note on my desktop each step I had to take, each level to get. It numbered 168 steps and at the end, I’ll have my RC cape. I dated the start of this goal (27/1/23) and so far I’m at around 130 steps to go. It breaks everything down into smaller steps, while still keeping the long term goal in sight.
I have a note in my phone with all my OSRS goals and I have them checked off as I completed them. Really satisfying to look back and see how much my account has improved. Also it helps avoid burnout since I can switch between goals as needed rather than doing the same thing for multiple days.
@@KeytarArgonian I do that too, but I don't write it down. But I am good at breaking goals down into a series of tiny ones like that. It's the only way to do ANYTHING honestly, not just RuneScape..
I think Jagex should expand on Agility and add a lot more great time saving Shortcuts between high traffic and high value locations to make Agility more worth leveling. There are obviously a few great shortcuts, but ive never leveled Agility for those, I only trained it for quest requirements and Run Energy depletion (and graceful).
@@Gl-my8fw I agree completely. I mean, what’s the point really? I hit 60 which is enough for the rev cave shortcut with a summer pie which is useful for pking but aside from that, nahhh, I’am good on jumping across rooftops for 769 XP/Hr bruh, Thanks though! Lol
i got max combats from nmz. i work most of the day and its easy to afk. and it makes it easier to kill slayer monsters as well. i could have leveled with slayer and took a year to get them all up with the little time i have at home to play. nothing wrong with doing what you can to keep lvling as long as you are enjoying the game. its not a race.
Im the same way i try to explain that to people cause i work a lot and have two small kids at home. With the little time i have to play i like to boss etc lol
@@austinpugmire2843 I mean I leveled exclusively through slayer, specifically afking MOST tasks. As long as you are afking your tasks it is pretty chill. I would do slayer in the background while watching shows, doing shit with friends or w/e. Just block the tasks that you can't afk. This idea that NMZ is the only reasonable afk for combat is silly. Plus it isn't even significantly faster, I'd argue it is roughly the same amount of time overall.
NMZ at work is great, since I only have to check once every 15 minutes. Fishing, WC, etc can fill an inventory which can lead to downtime. Would rather one over the other, just my opinion though.
@@benm752 put it in easy mode! You'll last 6 hours easy and you'll make a little over what you spent points wise. Easy mode with 5 easy bosses, I make it to the 6 hour log mark everytime.
@@benm752 lower your health to practically 0 using dwarf cake rock / locator orb from DS2. The damage the absorption potions... absorb, is based on what the max it would've been. If your health was max, the amount of damage they could have done would've been whatever their max hit is. So when you rock cake to 1hp, the max hit can only be 1. So only 1 will be taken off your potion. Pot up every 15 minutes~ to avoid the afk kick, re-rock cake, repeat until empty.
I did Slayer and didn’t enjoy it much. I wanted to do raids so I did afk NMZ for 90+ cb stats. Now I'm running ToA and enjoying the game more than I ever have. To each his own.
Make sure you get your achievement diaries done. They are soo helpful I dragged it out and i wish I didn't. The easy teleports, extra drops, more staffs etc it's so worth the grind
Doesn't seem like much, but so many times i tell my higher level friends "okay now tele to GE " and they said they didn't do it yet. 5 min of gameplay can save hours and that goes for almost every diary
Getting all the Hard Diaries done was euphoric. Now on a slow grind to get those Elite Diaries done. It's pretty close that I can taste it. Just a few more awful grinds remain.
@@bosmeriosmosis215 if you around 100ish combat. You should have all hard diaries by now. Then slowly progress them to elites since they require high skills like 96fishing(91 if boosting with pie)
Hey I’m in defense for training at nmz. Sure it’s more efficient doing slayer but the afk you can get at nmz is wayyyyy easier than the other skills you mentioned. If you set it up correctly, you only have to click once every 20 minutes or so. If you’re at a job where you can’t catch a break or out of the house, that might be literally the only thing you can do consistently. So.. why not?
Yeah I dont get the one about being a " nmz warrior " there is more reasons to get combat skills up than higher number = better and people dont have all day to do task after task for even less xp
So what mechanics are you learning along the way? High stats don't mean shit if you can't pray flick or survive a boss/raid. That's the problem with afk training, you end up not learning a damn thing and then end up leeching the raids you join because you don't have prior experience with that sort of thing.
My biggest mistake was to think I needed to max my account to be able to fit in within a clan (to be able to participate in events). I ended up burning out and abandoning the game for months. Now I'm back with a new mindset that I can do whatever I want at the time I want using the method I want. As long as I'm having fun, it's okay.
I'm the kind of person that keeps all of my skills an even level and it causes progress to be extremely slow, but I'm never bored because I constantly swap what skill I am leveling. Due to this no lifers bitch me out for my methods all the time, but everytime I see one of them they are just standing at the G.E. or in their house gaining afk money... I question how much fun that can be.
@@davidedds6562 Welcome to members. Most people are okay, but enter anywhere with raids, bossing and other such things, they will bitch you out big time whilst being wrong Like the lvl 126 who was pissed I'm doing lvl 150 ToA, whilst he still struggles with it (I'm not even 80 att or def yet) Tried saying I couldn't do it. Proved him wrong :)
biggest mistake you can make IMO, letting others tell you how to have fun. OSRS is an addiction and the longer you play, the more important it is to have fun. I’ve played RS since probably 07-08. Burnout is real.
NmZ warrior is fine... I maxed CB stats before slayer and enjoyed doing boss slayer to 99. If you do nmz slayer and no slayer then yeah that's one thing but if NMZ allows you to kill Zammy over greater demons at a lower slayer level and that's something to us want to do then more power to you.
Good tips but, Efficiency really shouldn’t be a requirement for the game, everyone should play at their own pace. Even if it’s detrimental to “the grind”. Too much hardcore osrs people look down on players who are exp wasting, or wasting any time or not doing specific stuff etc etc, or generally playing the game they want. Not to mention new players who’ve never played before. I love the game but in the last few years the community has gotten this big head ego about this, and a lot of the newer content save for some examples(like Tempoross) have been tailored for the super end game that, surprise..not everyone can do even after a long time playing. People just expect these crazy high requirements off everyone. It’s a bit exhausting
Releasing content aimed at deep end game players is the best option for retaining player count. People not at the end game have no reason to complain about a content drought because there's so much for them to do like easier collection log tabs, combat achievements, diaries, quest cape, first inferno, maxing, etc. You literally always have a reasonable goal to aim for at that stage of the game. Meanwhile the people in the deep end game have nothing to besides roll the dice on grinds for the boss/skilling pets, 200m all, extremely rare collection log items like 3a pieces, pvm wr speedruns, etc., so making more content they're going to enjoy that breaks up the pace from those tedious grinds is going to help keep them interested in the game. The majority of people in the hlc don't care how inefficient people want to be. They just offer advice because tons of less experienced people have no idea what they're even missing out on simply due to their lack of experience. Most efficiency advice isn't offered for the sake of getting people to be more efficient but to merely inform them of alternative options which give you a better bang for your buck.
Mistake I made in game that I wish I did it earlier is power mining with iron. Like, okay that was one "quick" way to 99 but by that time I don't even have prospector outfit and have to grid for it when I'm on achievement diary grind. Pretty painful tbh. Same story goes to bone to peaches
I would like to add: Not training agility Getting the graceful set is hugely beneficial, as it makes your grind for every other skill in the game, like mining into smithing, or running farms, much quicker and more efficient. Agility sucks ass, but it's worth it, especially for Ironmen.
Kaoz sadly bro I lost my tbow to that scam u showed . I was doing rebuild as well and had start all over . Best advice he gave in vid is simply don't talk to them. Learned my lesson never again my private stays off and even public chat whenever I'm at ge.
Have to disagree with the NMZ stuff. NMZ is way more afk than something like fishing/woodcutting, whilst also being more xp/hr. Also, if you're focusing on getting fastest slayer xp/hr then you're doing barrage/cannon/jad/zuk tasks and nothing else. Where is all this melee xp coming from in these tasks?
I hard disagree with the Nmz one. its very convenient and requires barely any interaction or focus so you can do other things like work, school, etc.. idk how you can suggest woodcutting or fishing when those require more interaction than nmz. Yes you shouldn't neglect your slayer, but if you have moments where you can't give the game your focus but still want to be making some type of progress then Nmz isn't bad.
Just have fun. Love it. So simple and yet it's my hardest thing. I always get sucked it to some crazy grind. But just returned a day or 2 ago and doing it for fun. No goals in mind yet. Just going with the flow. Now watch the levels come in lol. So far so good.
He isn't wrong about goals and competing with yourself. I made zerkers after my very first account got hacked and banned. I made an second got bored and wanted to hangout with my friends till everyone moved or got much better things to do. I came back since the new fresh worlds came out and what I did was make new accounts to figure out what's the fastest way to level and play the game. I realize low hp and no melee. The new grave system let's you reboot your stuff and you don't need food plus restore runs. I got 57 wc and was able to figure out a lot of ways to train and I didn't have to even commute with others since the world's are pretty much empty. 3 months till the characters are moved to base game. Glad they did the worlds. Got me back into playing and watching videos I used to be into back in the day. Keep up the good work!!
Some great tips, i'm coming up on 75 range and feel like i need to do fight caves for the cape but honestly the fight caves aren't fun for me. Spending all that time fighting through a ton of waves (most of which require no effort and are boring as hell) just for a chance at beating jad to get the cape sounds like a huge waste of time and not something i'd be interested in. I was leaning on the side of just waiting until i'm super OP for it then give it a shot, may even pass it entirely and stick with obsidian (mythical in future) but was feeling pressured to get it, but after your final point, i'll do it when i want to, i'm a skiller not a PVMer atm so i'll stick to what i enjoy. Fire cape is for the future
If you train ranged and slayer with a cannon you can level it up quite quick to about 80-85. Thats a comfortable level to do jad and in reasonable time. Honestly just wanting to get it over with is how you get through the early waves. Blowpipe is still really good in the caves I think, making quick work of the early levels. Runelite has a jad plugin that helps a lot with kiting enemies taking on certain enemies one at a time for less damage to use less food. Theres tons of guides. It’s pretty worth just in getting your first fire cape in my opinion. Good luck!
Hey friend I saw a jad video and thought of you! It is by youtuber “KooDoo” and its a great short guide! A few of the comments have some good tips about it as well. Namely the one that says focus on staying on ranged until a mage attack and then go back to ranged protection. Hope this helps!
The tip I would give someone is to not fall for how easy content creators make it look to grind out skills or KC. It takes them hours and hours to get short clips, so expect to also spend a huge chunk of time progressing yourself. Also, dying can be frustrating and disheartening, but it’s part of the experience when learning boss mechanics. After many deaths, I only just recently had the DK rotation clock for me, and that’s probably one of the easiest things to learn when bossing. I’m excited to move on to other bosses and spend the time learning them. It’s a game, have fun.
Agreed on much, I confess I’m only 91 slayer but every time I unlock a slayer boss I grind it to learn the mechanics and get the kc needed to hit the hiscores (except guardians*) after which I go back to the xp grind and overall this applies to number 10….it’s fun and rewarding, feels like a little treat and break from the grind. * I want the granite dust for my cannon balls and I want the pet. So I’ve compromised with my play style in that whenever I get a Gargoyle task, I do one inventory worth of supplies to grind the boss. Usually 5 to 6 kills, then head to the basement to grind
i set small goals that get big. I wanted Mort hard diaries so I could do better barrow runs. I needed more agility. The seers course would be needed for better xp. To maximize the seers course xp I needed Kandarin hard diary. So one simple goal became a much larger one. It reset my drive for the game tbh
@@ZombieNationLTD same story for me. Ill go grind agility for Me2... karamja hard diaries and a graceful recolour later, Im loading a blowpipe and feeling like I went down a rabbit hole.
It's worse when people catfish you for months before screwing you over and then pretend like they have no idea what you are talking about or flat out ignore you.
Most players go straight to endgame content with low skill because of black market and selling gold, just go top ffa worlds.. very embarracing like 105 cb 112cb with whip and void, pretty disgusting
Dislike this video cause he was being weird, whats this I'm hearing about "Having Fun". Having fun=XP Waste, Not worth it JK JK Great Content, Thxs, Keep it up m8
I strongly disagree about NMZ, I used it at times I could only do the absolute most afk task, so it was time I couldn’t do anything else Regardless, to say it’s a big mistake is a bit more of a personal grudge than anything else, it actually hugely benefited my account I now have 99 slayer and if anything it saved me time if nothing else
Youre wrong about NMZ For most people the enjoyable/important parts of the game are the endgame raids and pvm money makers For them it is better to spend their afk time on combat stats than fishing or woodcutting for achievement diary cape
Really dumb take, NMZ lets you afk train while working, studying, whatever. You don't have to sit there and pay attention like slayer. there's literally 0 downside.
Stop playing the game to get XP/gp per hour. That's so sweaty. Just play casually and time will fly without feeling like your playing and endless grind.
I think the last point is a good point. I hardly play the game anymore because I don't really enjoy playing it much anymore even though I enjoy watching content about it. I believe I would actually feel miserable if I forced myself. doing a little goal from time to time is plenty good for me :)
1. I picked the wrong slayer master. I did long, boring tasks and it turned me off from doing slayer. 2. I rushed combat and didn't do enough skilling which made my account unbalanced in levels. If I were doing it all over again I would do a lot more skilling at the start and pretty much only do slayer for combat and then do bossing when I am almost maxed combat.
I like you crap on the people who got 99 in combat stats without 99 slayer😂😂. Sorry slayer takes longer to get 99 in because I have to go get a new task every time. Funny how that used to be the only way to 99 in every combat stat till the introduced slayer.
#10 doesnt rlly make sense to me. For me (and im sure alot of other ppl) the ACTUAL fun activities are always hidden by 80-90 combat stats or other high requirements
i would suggest finding better way to asking for likes. because i unsubbed because of just how cringe it was when you said leave a cheeky like. sorry but im not sorry please change the cringe
Use quest as milestone, then work your way towards completing quest Get as much unlimited teleports unlocked as possible, ectofungus, drakan medallion, fairy rings, 75 crafting for slayer ring, spirit trees etc. 55 runecraft for unlimited law runes They really make a big difference to the game when you can teleport everywhere
The NMZ advice is pure trash. Don't NMZ to 99 but it's perfectly fine to do to 90~. So much content is locked behind combat you're far better off AFKing there than spending hundreds of hours training a trash skill like slayer which isn't even very useful for non-ironmen past 70.
Number 10 is the most important one together with 4 maybe. It's a game after all you should have fun most importantly. I know people who quit RS because they set a goal that takes ages to achieve and didnt like the path you need to take to get it. For instace when I was looking for a good armor to traing melee combat Fighter Torso is mentioned a lot, but you need to play Barbarian assault minigame and I hate that minigame, I tried it once for the achievement diaries and then never touched it again. People shouldn't feel forced to do everything as efficiently as possible. Simply if you are not having fun, don't do it.
I think the problem with people not spending money comes from other mmos having bind on equip items. So people are just used to skipping over a few upgrades to save money.
I dislike that concept somewhat. I played a game called Cabal Online which had similar mechanics like "Account/Character bind on Pickup/Equip", sure it's nice to use and it feels unique, but when you want your next upgrade (if can purchase) your current BIS doesn't work to help towards it. Recently I upgraded from Bandos to Torva and that extra ~70m helped :D
although rs is probably the best mmorpg out there tied with the first years of wow, it isn't fun anymore. hopefully something better launches soon™, but good video
The whole notion of "do slayer instead of being an nmz warrior" is the most elitist thing about this video. Being efficient isn't always an option for people who play this game, especially people who play this game casually and afk when working or watching videos or whatever. If you want to nmz your stats to 99 instead of constantly doing slayer tasks, than do it! Don't let any elitist video stop you. The only mistake you are making is watching this video and taking any of the words here as gospel. Play the game how you want to play it.
If you're doing slayer efficiently you are mainly doing bursting or cannoning tasks, so in the end you wont actually get that much melee combat xp out of it
I love seeing people like kaoz thinking they are so smart and totally ignore the math. Getting 90s before starting slayer is the most effective way to train
Nah, there’s a lot of AFK tasks you can do and those will only train melee (gargoyles, non bursting catacomb tasks). Waiting until 90 combats is absurd. Slayer is an incredibly slow skill to train and you don’t want to do that with high combats to the point you aren’t gaining combat levels while training slayer, can cause you to burnout quick.
@@AJ_Ol gargoyles is the perfect example of a totally inefficient thing to do. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it's about 400k gp/h, 10k slayer xp/h, 45k combat xp/h. Doing efficient slayer with up to 100k xp/h if you go sweaty with alts or 50k xp/h regularly and doing nmz for 100k+ combat xp/h super afk with one click every 15mins is just way better. And honestly, if you burnout playing rs, it's probably for the better lol
@@derda3209 I’ve done both, did I good amount of NMZ early on. Training combat through slayer is way more enjoyable and rewarding. There’s only a handful of tasks that are quick and sweating for XP isn’t something I’ll ever do. If you want to be 10 slayer with base 90 combats, more power to you. I’m not playing the game that way.
I think you should definitely go to nmz and get higher combats before doing slayer, the slayer masters who give good tasks are locked behind combat level. camping slayer or crabs from like 60-80 in combat is annoying and you can afk for 20 minutes in NMZ without worrying about dying. Who cares if you have low slayer level and high combats anyways l0l. Also i think people should def do bosses before 99 slayer. if you're 'focused on the grind' you can still do bosses and get experience. the cape perk is the only reason to get 99 and its nice but you shouldn't get caught up in xp loss because you want to try a boss. if you get a boss task and you wanna try it just do it
100% disagree about NMZ training. It is the fastest way to unlock content in the game. You can max combat and unlock the best money makers in the game. If your not going for max and you just care about PVM content. Other AFK skills are useless compared to having max combat.
Also, doing farm runs are useless after you unlock Vorkath and have DHCB or DH lance if you are going for money. If you need XP do Tree runs. I can understand if you enjoy herb runs but if your like me you don't enjoy it
Like you said, if you're not having fun then that's an issue. Your goal in this game if you want to play long term is to have fun. Burnout is a big issue if you just listen to any old content creator saying what your doing for fun is "inefficient"
Good point, I guess I would feel frustrated with (near) maxed combat anf not high Slayer. It goes by so slow, but if gaining combat levels it's pretty satisfying
My first mistake, do things without getting helpful boosts and unlocks first. My second mistake, force myself to do them and be miserable. After that, do whichever I feel like at the time and be content. no more mistakes
I will admit that I am an NMZ Warrior but that's partly due to the fact that I really don't like doing Slayer. I know it's one of, if not the most popular skill in both OSRS and RS3 so it sounds like blasphemy for me to say this as a long time RuneScape player, but I just don't enjoy it. I'm probably going to end up doing the same thing I did with RS3 and save Slayer as one of my last few 99s, even if it is less efficient that way. I prefer doing enjoyable methods rather than faster methods. At the end of the day I just care about the end result, not how fast I got to the end result.
I camped Nightmare Zone to 97 Att/Str/Def, getting the last two levels with slayer. 20 mill points will give me a lot of money in herbs and I was able to imbue everything in the game.
I completely disagree on the NMZ being a waste of time. It's one of the most AFK things you can do in the game (other than Birdhouses/Farming). Your point was that we should do other AFK grindable skills like Fishing, Woodcutting or Mining. It all depends on what you classify as AFK though. In my job, I can't afford to be looking at the screen every few minutes. Even once every 20 minutes is pushing it. Therefore my only AFK option (when I'm wfh) is NMZ. It allows me to do all my chores, work and study without having to dedicate more than a few seconds every hour for great XP.
Definitely feel called out. Got nmz maxed melee stats. But imo at a certain point only need to remote into my PC to send a tap throughout the day was far more afk than anything else possible in the game
I'm maxing with nmz at work so yes I'm guilty of that since Slayer would be a thousand times more worth it XD, I do it while I'm at work so the account gets some progress at the same time and I want to do some Melee content, but I guess I'll stop doing it so frequently and I will do Fishing or another afkable skill since Is more efficient to train slayer with melee
Common mistake is using up the last charge on jewelry. I always high alc my rings of dueling or games necklaces at 1 charge left so you don’t lose any go
I do allot of things i don't really enjoy, whether it's for gp for upgrades, skills for quests, or the quests themselves. But im slowly getting to a point where i can do bosses and raids, the things i actually want to do
Osrs is a great game truly! There is a reason gamers quit and come back to playing it again. But people who have a life, work, training and other social life are limited in playing osrs. some people don't have 8-10 hours to grind everyday unfortunately :/
"in osrs you are your only opponent" *Me: has flashbacks to trying to grind green dragons in the wildly and being sniped by a level 99 magic user at my CL about 70, dieing in two spells. Losing so much in value before I knew better x,D going to the GE to rebuy my setup... And seeing the same person, selling my setup.. as my GE purchase dings* The disrespect. I will never forget. In osrs, everyone is my opponent x,D (Memeing but damn that was a savage encounter for me)
So I've went from f2p to p2p. I try to keep my members active thru bonds. And green dragons in the wildy with looting bag is great money. Until you run into a pker 🤣 so how about the first few times I thought I had it figured out. Had food. Prayer. Run energy. I'm thinking if I get attacked I'll run to lvl 20 tele out. Dude starts hitting me with magic. I get to lvl 20 wilderness. I hit varrock teleport. I was tele blocked 🥲 didn't know that was a thing. Lmao then one guy came by with like no armor on. Stopped said hey. Spun around and swung on me with a dagger that had venom on it. I'm running away he's chasing me talking about sorry I thought you were someone else....well ok then why are u still following me 🤣 the green dragon grind is real bro.
I think the only point I really disagree with is not going hard into bossing before maxing. Especially if it's a slayer boss like the GG's, cerb, thermy, or krakatoa. Like yea I would agree don't sit there on the money snake for weeks, but if you have a slayer task & a boss you want to try and kill do it.
The slayer vs nmz argument really comes down to how you value your time. I did a lot of nmz when I was working because it was so little attention required, it's essentially free xp considering I'd normally not be getting anything during those hours. You then take that xp and use it to speed up your slayer xp when you're actually playing actively. Sure, you're overflowing your combat xp, but who cares? You're going to do that anyway if you start raiding/bossing.
I think one mistake I keep making is letting myself be a noob. I know, that sounds silly, but the thing is. I often play runescape on the side of doing something else. Like watching shows, doing school work, cleaning. The sorts. By doing all this, I'm accepting the fact that I don't have time and despite having placed a solid amount of hours into runescape overall, I hardly know anything about the game! I mean, the only skill I ever hit 99 in is woodcutting in rs3... cutting elders the entire time. I struggle to understand the scope of options and commitment to understand the games mechanics. Like farming? I never learned that skill. I know I plant stuff, but that's it. I've never done barrows before and I don't know how to boss what-so-ever. The mole and kbd are the only bosses I ever beat! I'm playing osrs for the first time and using runelite has helped me a lot with opening up to new mechanics in the game and with how massive the community is, there are a lot of good videos out there to teach me about a bunch of stuff! None-the-less. There is tons for me to learn and I'm barely scratching the surface. It's been a lot of fun seeing content I've never touched before so far!
Hard disagree on NMZ vs slayer. NMZ is so afk it can be done on 'breaks'. I literally just played mobas instead for a week or two and got max melee and ranged combat. Meanwhile slayer is the slowest most terrible skill in the entire game, and every possible method to expedite it should be taken. The theoretical ability to train combat and slayer and once is utterly fake. All combat except for magic is zero time. Doing slayer slowly while thinking about theoretical efficiency is just incorrect. I had actual fun getting 99 combat and ranged, by not doing it. This while making slayer, the worst possible skill, take 25% less time. NMZ is the Daeyalt essence of slayer.
One thing i will disagree with him on(or not so much disagree but sort of a counter arguement i guess) is dailies. The vast majority of osrs players are 9 to 5ers and get maybe a couple hours a day. Doing like bstaves might be quick but doing all(or a significant chunk) of the dailies will eat into ur play time quickly. Ur much better off camping some good moneymakers from skilling(ik herb runs is skilling shush) or bosses like vorkath/zulrah/raids, etc. Instead of dailies. For example i come home from work and i got 2hrs to play. Do i spend 30min-1hr doing dailies then do 1hr of toa or do 2 hrs of toa? Well considering toa is by far one of the curent best money makers 2 hrs of toa makes way more sense.
I recommend playing goal oriented as you said but be open to changing it up if it doesn't work for you. I for the life of me didn't understand blackjacking and ended up training 77-91 thru ardy knights & pyramid plunder instead of stressing about not being the most efficient way because I still got it done. Along the way you'll often find things you could do to make something more efficient but it requires a long grind (elite morytania for extra herb patch for instance) don't be afraid to switch up your grinds and focus on another one if you feel it'll help you out in the long run. If you ever feel mega burned out, play a different game for a little bit, you'll probably come back to runescape after a bit feeling less bleh about your next goal.
I don’t like when you said at the start “…play more efficiently and have fun doing it”. What if me bank standing or collecting shovels are barrows is fun for me? It’s subjective. Efficiency can take the fun out of the game because an MMORPG is just that, you doing what you want….but when you abide by the efficiency standards, it’s telling you how to do something you used to do otherwise. Sometimes it’s more fun to clean +10 more vorkaths/hour but other times, fun might be trying to solo corp with only potatoes. You know? Subjective. But good video. I learned some things that I didn’t think I would as a 15+ year veteran.
Maxed acc here. I disagree with a lot of what you said. You just repeat general talking points by the community without any critical thought. For example, you railed against NMZ leveling saying that slayer will make you more money and is more efficient than NMZ. Well by the time you hit 99 slayer I'll have 500 toa kc and 500 cox kc with a few bill easily. There's so many other points here too which are very narrow minded.
I never knew this would be a mistake untill after it happened. I made a good OSRS friend, played with him for years! One day he messages me to meet him at the ge.. to my surprise he decided to give up RuneScape because it had become a mmmaaajjooorrrr problem in his life :(. Imagine my surprise when he gives me 670m+. I would say that was a game changing moment but it turns out it would be in a negative way! That killed my drive to grind out skills and learn new bosses, at that point I was already 99 in all melee hp, mining, and slayer, sure I got a bunch of xp and shiny gear but it all feels hollow and underwhelming and the game has lost a lot of enjoyment. Mostly I'll just stand at the ge these days or hop into f2p to take a noob on a dumb adventure for some coins but that's really it since then. Him and I played other games together after he quit and we're on discord alot, and we still are to this day so I know him leaving the game wasn't the issue D:
I don't think you're "NMZ warrior" makes much sense. You unlock higher slayer masters at higher combat levels, making later game slayer have higher experience rates. Not to mention, since you're making an efficiency argument, efficient slayer is largely cannoned and bursted. NMZing your melees is still the play, just not to 99. Otherwise, I think it was a great guide and I agree with a lot of it. I personally slayed via bosses to 99 slayer, had a blast doing it.
I don't do herb runs because it's just not worth the time doing it for the money after 99 farming. Right now with almost every unlock I could make 270K a run. I can do a full run in like 10 minutes, so the gp/h is around 1.62M/h. I would rather do vorkath which is 4+M/h.
Few things to note: 1) I should have clarified: *NO BOSSING UNTIL 99* if you're focused on experience. Bossing is good for profit and mechanics, but experience (especially when learning) is abysmal. 2) Turning chat off in an MMO is silly, yes. But if you've been scammed before, you can never be scammed if you interact with others. Pretty extreme but hey, it works. 3) About NMZ, it's ok to do it for imbues and a few levels for weapon/armor requirements, but maxing it out without touching Slayer for the most part will be counterproductive if going for high levels/maxing.
You say that doing woodcutting/fishing is a better use of afk-time than nmz (they are way less afk) since you have to get them out of the way (implying that everyone has a goal of high/maxed skills), but then you immediately say not to set big goals. If people just want to try fun bosses and have no goal of maxing it absolutely makes more sense to afk combat to make those bosses possible.
@@commonsense660 a lot of end game content (mainly raids) do reccomend you have high skill levels for woodcutting, thieving, agility etc. 99 slayer takes the average person 500+ hours or maybe less, I'm not sure. Why would you ham-string your self financially in the game by not training combat via slayer?
You did clarify, these simpletons are just struggling to pay attention lol
The only people excited for new content are people who have already finished the game, and therefore don't need your videos.
@@LuMnOsITi Factually incorrect lmao. That mentality is so mediocre and sad.
First mistake, play osrs
Second mistake, keep playing osrs
its healthier than fentanyl
Probably just trolling for attention, this comment is I bet.
Nothing wrong with playing any game you enjoy
@@omanlady123456 arguably :)
@@erickchristensen746 calm down karen
Biggest mistake was getting past mid game😂 barely played until I finally unlocked stuff like Gargs and nechs and then fell in love with slayer, getting close to 99 in less then a year with two cerb pets under 800kc
@@JavierPwns slayer is kinda fun. Makes you money once you get past 70 slayer. I have a level 97 piety account that has 70 slayer, which I started when I was level 40.
@@JavierPwns Get a viggoras chainmace and do wildy slayer, you'll hit like a truck and you barely ever get pked as long as you make sure to block lava dragons and revenent tasks. Larran's keys drops and that risk of getting pked keeps you engaged and entertained, not to mention you'll rack up slayer points much faster. I hated slayer until I started doing it with krystilia.
You’re absolutely insane for that bossing slayer tip. 96+ slayer is useless
Yeah im 96 and fine with 10-15k xp an hour and earning great gp on the way
Bruh slayer made by bank.
Compared to top money makers like raids and nex, almost all slayer doesn't even register on the chart
If you're going to skip for hydra tasks then you can potentially make 1/3 of the GP/HR at level 95
Slayer focused is a terrible way to get to end game content and high bank value
@@razorn6247 Not terrible but yes there is better ways. But for many its enjoyable, also really good for building a good enough gear for the better money making content
@@ollimikkola7168 yeah you're right about it if you're enjoying it
It's a game, after all
Anything you're enjoying is optimal!
Im sorry but not doing bosses until 99 slayer is the worst tip ever. Im like 100k xp off 99 slayer and ive done as much bossing as possible because I like it. I have several 100 kc to several 1000 kc in almost all bosses and my bank is around 600m. If i hadnt done any bossing i doubt my bank would be worth 150m
Agreed, currently doing a gargoyle task on the guardians and they're a good midgame boss to start learning mechanics for endgame pvm on a more chill pace. I quite enjoy doing them.
I literally have kc in all end game bosses/raids from nightmare to tob with an infernal cape but I'm 89 slayer LMAO worst tip ever is an understatement
I think you guys missed the start of it when he says "if you are focused on the grind". He's not saying it's mandatory, he is simply explaining the efficacy
Doing bosses in terms of xp wise efficiency is not the way to go. I agree with your comment but this Guide seems to focus on xp efficiency
@@brawlfamily1j660 its doesn't seem to...he explains it specifically. IF you are focused on the grind, don't touch bosses till 99. The video is 100% correct.
Hard disagree on multiple points here.
Depending on your goals NMZ is the way to go. I wanted quick access to endgame PVM content. NMZ afk made that possible with my schedule. I cant be leveling slayer for a year.
Daily runs are a chore, lots of people will quit them after a while. They are also worse gp than just doing raids if you were going to do that anyway.
You don't need 100m+ equipment for new challenges. DHCB + more as a min req for vorkath doesnt make much sense to me. I started running Vorkath as a money maker with low 90 melees, torso, dragon legs from the boss itself and a Lance which cost me 46m or so. With this you can get a consistent 3 kills a run and up to 5 on occasion.
Actually enjoying slayer while watching your combats slowly rise is one of the core gameploy loops of the game, so missing it all for NMZ feels cheap. Daily runs break up the monotony and are going to be good money makers all the way up until much later in the game, and bossing and raids are difficult and very counter-intuitive to the otherwise casual and relaxed nature of the game in almost all other ways - Its definitely jarring for players who have come to enjoy the game as the slow casual grind that it is. Skipping all of that just to do late game pvm seems like you're missing the majority of what the game really has to offer. But thats the great thing about runescape is that everyone can choose their own way to play.
The real way to play the game: do whatever you want, it's a game. I enjoyed maxing, but one of my friend only does fishing all day, combat lvl ~70 for the last 4years. He meets people and chats. Says he might get into mining someday (been saying that for 2years now). He has just as much fun as I do.
This dude is known to be pretty opinionated, but im with you. Especially with the nmz point, i got 99 str and atk before nightmare zone dropped, thru doing bandits and it made my slayer grind 100x faster.
osrs is like heroin: you should never do it, because if you do, it will consume most of your life and become an obsession.
Source: I’ve done both.
I've played on and off since RS Classic. One big thing I see is how much time people waste looking through their banks. Spend a few hours organising your bank, setting bank tabs and layouts (runelite) and you will noticeably see a better gameplay.
NMZ warrior all day baby! Having low slayer than your combats gets such a bad rep. I work in an office, so I am on a computer all day. I remote desktop my home computer and have my account in nmz easy mode all day. Every 15 minutes I can just re pot up and click my health back to 1 and leave it alone, takes like 10 seconds. This is efficiency at it's peak! I don't have the time to be able to fish or any other "afk" skill. The nmz is true afk, and it makes slayer SO much easier to train when your combats are in the 90s.
I'm old enough that on my main, NMZ Guthans Hosting and 6hr logout timer was still a thing. You'd get a host NMZ world with ONLY the best bosses (at the time you had to only do the quests, you couldn't select which enemies would be in the NMZ any other way) and then you could afk with Guthans for 6hrs. I would Wake up in the morning before work and get it going, come home at noon, restart it, come home after work, and then play normally. Baiscally I became max combat in the background, it was glorious. I'm glad I did all that before they removed it from the game.
For me a big mistake is not tracking long-term progress. As a working adult with a family, I hardly have time to play, maybe 1 or 2 hours per day at most, sometimes more on the weekends. Since the grinds are so long and incredibly varied, it can easily feel like running in place. But if you pan out and make note of where you are, say, at the end of a month versus the beginning, it can feel more fulfilling to see it from that perspective.
This is me, so my way of combatting this and avoiding burnout was to do OLAAT (1 lvl at a time) and in between do 25% of a Runecraft level in between each level I get. So I sat and wrote a note on my desktop each step I had to take, each level to get. It numbered 168 steps and at the end, I’ll have my RC cape. I dated the start of this goal (27/1/23) and so far I’m at around 130 steps to go. It breaks everything down into smaller steps, while still keeping the long term goal in sight.
@@KeytarArgonian love this idea
Not just good OSRS advice but good life advice.
I have a note in my phone with all my OSRS goals and I have them checked off as I completed them. Really satisfying to look back and see how much my account has improved. Also it helps avoid burnout since I can switch between goals as needed rather than doing the same thing for multiple days.
@@KeytarArgonian I do that too, but I don't write it down. But I am good at breaking goals down into a series of tiny ones like that. It's the only way to do ANYTHING honestly, not just RuneScape..
I think Jagex should expand on Agility and add a lot more great time saving Shortcuts between high traffic and high value locations to make Agility more worth leveling. There are obviously a few great shortcuts, but ive never leveled Agility for those, I only trained it for quest requirements and Run Energy depletion (and graceful).
I agree. It is one of my lowest at almost 72 and I don't feel motivated to continue.
@@Gl-my8fw I agree completely. I mean, what’s the point really? I hit 60 which is enough for the rev cave shortcut with a summer pie which is useful for pking but aside from that, nahhh, I’am good on jumping across rooftops for 769 XP/Hr bruh, Thanks though! Lol
I got 62 for slayer tower chain.
That’s what Sepulchre is for, the rewards aren’t terrible.
Even with rooftop courses and the promise of graceful, agility is still the second most boring skill. If RC didn't exist, agility would be the bottom.
i got max combats from nmz. i work most of the day and its easy to afk. and it makes it easier to kill slayer monsters as well. i could have leveled with slayer and took a year to get them all up with the little time i have at home to play. nothing wrong with doing what you can to keep lvling as long as you are enjoying the game. its not a race.
Im the same way i try to explain that to people cause i work a lot and have two small kids at home. With the little time i have to play i like to boss etc lol
It’s definitely worth afk’ing combat up to the 90s to make slayer go by way faster.
Exactly. It's pretty cringe to tell someone not to level up quickly so they can enjoy the fun parts of the game more in their little spare time, ngl.
The copium is strong.
@@austinpugmire2843 I mean I leveled exclusively through slayer, specifically afking MOST tasks. As long as you are afking your tasks it is pretty chill. I would do slayer in the background while watching shows, doing shit with friends or w/e. Just block the tasks that you can't afk. This idea that NMZ is the only reasonable afk for combat is silly. Plus it isn't even significantly faster, I'd argue it is roughly the same amount of time overall.
NMZ at work is great, since I only have to check once every 15 minutes. Fishing, WC, etc can fill an inventory which can lead to downtime. Would rather one over the other, just my opinion though.
If you are lucky and get a fish barrel you can fish Karambwan for a long time tho
how can you afk for 15 mins at nmz? at max absorbtion mine runs out way quicker
Nmz warriors rise up! I work in an office and it's the only thing that is truly afk enough for me to be able to do.
@@benm752 put it in easy mode! You'll last 6 hours easy and you'll make a little over what you spent points wise. Easy mode with 5 easy bosses, I make it to the 6 hour log mark everytime.
@@benm752 lower your health to practically 0 using dwarf cake rock / locator orb from DS2.
The damage the absorption potions... absorb, is based on what the max it would've been. If your health was max, the amount of damage they could have done would've been whatever their max hit is. So when you rock cake to 1hp, the max hit can only be 1. So only 1 will be taken off your potion.
Pot up every 15 minutes~ to avoid the afk kick, re-rock cake, repeat until empty.
Stopping at NMZ. You are just explaining how you prefer to play the game lol. That is not a "common mistake" some people don't like slayer.
Cope
NMZ is for shitters
I did Slayer and didn’t enjoy it much. I wanted to do raids so I did afk NMZ for 90+ cb stats. Now I'm running ToA and enjoying the game more than I ever have. To each his own.
Make sure you get your achievement diaries done. They are soo helpful I dragged it out and i wish I didn't. The easy teleports, extra drops, more staffs etc it's so worth the grind
Doesn't seem like much, but so many times i tell my higher level friends "okay now tele to GE " and they said they didn't do it yet. 5 min of gameplay can save hours and that goes for almost every diary
@@blazer119966 I agree but I mean there's rings of wealth also but again totally agree varrock med is so so so nice
Getting all the Hard Diaries done was euphoric. Now on a slow grind to get those Elite Diaries done. It's pretty close that I can taste it. Just a few more awful grinds remain.
What's a good order to tackle achievements diaries?
@@bosmeriosmosis215 if you around 100ish combat. You should have all hard diaries by now. Then slowly progress them to elites since they require high skills like 96fishing(91 if boosting with pie)
i always waste the scammers time, it's great had a fellow try the same bank items one the other day
Still, the really savvy scammers always have backup options to get you in other ways. I’d be careful interacting with them at all
Hey I’m in defense for training at nmz. Sure it’s more efficient doing slayer but the afk you can get at nmz is wayyyyy easier than the other skills you mentioned. If you set it up correctly, you only have to click once every 20 minutes or so. If you’re at a job where you can’t catch a break or out of the house, that might be literally the only thing you can do consistently. So.. why not?
Some experience is better than 0
Yeah I dont get the one about being a " nmz warrior " there is more reasons to get combat skills up than higher number = better and people dont have all day to do task after task for even less xp
So what mechanics are you learning along the way?
High stats don't mean shit if you can't pray flick or survive a boss/raid.
That's the problem with afk training, you end up not learning a damn thing and then end up leeching the raids you join because you don't have prior experience with that sort of thing.
Sort of an add-on to the upgrading gear tip, avoid buying new items until the price has settled. I saw tons of people lose gp buying the fang pre-nerf
My biggest mistake was to think I needed to max my account to be able to fit in within a clan (to be able to participate in events). I ended up burning out and abandoning the game for months. Now I'm back with a new mindset that I can do whatever I want at the time I want using the method I want. As long as I'm having fun, it's okay.
That is the best way to lv imo. I will max but I'm in no rush at all.
Literally this, who cares how you manage your account at the end of the day it’s your account.
I'm the kind of person that keeps all of my skills an even level and it causes progress to be extremely slow, but I'm never bored because I constantly swap what skill I am leveling. Due to this no lifers bitch me out for my methods all the time, but everytime I see one of them they are just standing at the G.E. or in their house gaining afk money... I question how much fun that can be.
@@davidedds6562 Welcome to members. Most people are okay, but enter anywhere with raids, bossing and other such things, they will bitch you out big time whilst being wrong
Like the lvl 126 who was pissed I'm doing lvl 150 ToA, whilst he still struggles with it (I'm not even 80 att or def yet) Tried saying I couldn't do it. Proved him wrong :)
biggest mistake you can make IMO, letting others tell you how to have fun. OSRS is an addiction and the longer you play, the more important it is to have fun.
I’ve played RS since probably 07-08. Burnout is real.
What genuenly helped me is adding another addiction to the mix by playing minecraft like a degenerate...OSRS felt superfresh after 3 months 👌🏻
NmZ warrior is fine... I maxed CB stats before slayer and enjoyed doing boss slayer to 99. If you do nmz slayer and no slayer then yeah that's one thing but if NMZ allows you to kill Zammy over greater demons at a lower slayer level and that's something to us want to do then more power to you.
Agreed
Good tips but, Efficiency really shouldn’t be a requirement for the game, everyone should play at their own pace. Even if it’s detrimental to “the grind”. Too much hardcore osrs people look down on players who are exp wasting, or wasting any time or not doing specific stuff etc etc, or generally playing the game they want.
Not to mention new players who’ve never played before.
I love the game but in the last few years the community has gotten this big head ego about this, and a lot of the newer content save for some examples(like Tempoross) have been tailored for the super end game that, surprise..not everyone can do even after a long time playing. People just expect these crazy high requirements off everyone. It’s a bit exhausting
Did you even watch the video?
Releasing content aimed at deep end game players is the best option for retaining player count. People not at the end game have no reason to complain about a content drought because there's so much for them to do like easier collection log tabs, combat achievements, diaries, quest cape, first inferno, maxing, etc. You literally always have a reasonable goal to aim for at that stage of the game.
Meanwhile the people in the deep end game have nothing to besides roll the dice on grinds for the boss/skilling pets, 200m all, extremely rare collection log items like 3a pieces, pvm wr speedruns, etc., so making more content they're going to enjoy that breaks up the pace from those tedious grinds is going to help keep them interested in the game.
The majority of people in the hlc don't care how inefficient people want to be. They just offer advice because tons of less experienced people have no idea what they're even missing out on simply due to their lack of experience. Most efficiency advice isn't offered for the sake of getting people to be more efficient but to merely inform them of alternative options which give you a better bang for your buck.
Mistake I made in game that I wish I did it earlier is power mining with iron. Like, okay that was one "quick" way to 99 but by that time I don't even have prospector outfit and have to grid for it when I'm on achievement diary grind. Pretty painful tbh. Same story goes to bone to peaches
I would like to add: Not training agility
Getting the graceful set is hugely beneficial, as it makes your grind for every other skill in the game, like mining into smithing, or running farms, much quicker and more efficient. Agility sucks ass, but it's worth it, especially for Ironmen.
Kaoz sadly bro I lost my tbow to that scam u showed . I was doing rebuild as well and had start all over . Best advice he gave in vid is simply don't talk to them. Learned my lesson never again my private stays off and even public chat whenever I'm at ge.
Have to disagree with the NMZ stuff. NMZ is way more afk than something like fishing/woodcutting, whilst also being more xp/hr. Also, if you're focusing on getting fastest slayer xp/hr then you're doing barrage/cannon/jad/zuk tasks and nothing else. Where is all this melee xp coming from in these tasks?
I hard disagree with the Nmz one. its very convenient and requires barely any interaction or focus so you can do other things like work, school, etc.. idk how you can suggest woodcutting or fishing when those require more interaction than nmz. Yes you shouldn't neglect your slayer, but if you have moments where you can't give the game your focus but still want to be making some type of progress then Nmz isn't bad.
Just have fun. Love it. So simple and yet it's my hardest thing. I always get sucked it to some crazy grind. But just returned a day or 2 ago and doing it for fun. No goals in mind yet. Just going with the flow. Now watch the levels come in lol. So far so good.
personally i stick to 1750+ only worlds lmao. i love empty ge and never having to fight for spots anywhere
He isn't wrong about goals and competing with yourself.
I made zerkers after my very first account got hacked and banned. I made an second got bored and wanted to hangout with my friends till everyone moved or got much better things to do. I came back since the new fresh worlds came out and what I did was make new accounts to figure out what's the fastest way to level and play the game. I realize low hp and no melee. The new grave system let's you reboot your stuff and you don't need food plus restore runs. I got 57 wc and was able to figure out a lot of ways to train and I didn't have to even commute with others since the world's are pretty much empty. 3 months till the characters are moved to base game.
Glad they did the worlds. Got me back into playing and watching videos I used to be into back in the day.
Keep up the good work!!
Biggest mistake is worrying about how other people play
Some great tips, i'm coming up on 75 range and feel like i need to do fight caves for the cape but honestly the fight caves aren't fun for me. Spending all that time fighting through a ton of waves (most of which require no effort and are boring as hell) just for a chance at beating jad to get the cape sounds like a huge waste of time and not something i'd be interested in. I was leaning on the side of just waiting until i'm super OP for it then give it a shot, may even pass it entirely and stick with obsidian (mythical in future) but was feeling pressured to get it, but after your final point, i'll do it when i want to, i'm a skiller not a PVMer atm so i'll stick to what i enjoy. Fire cape is for the future
I think the same as you. I personally did it with about ….94 range lol i waited years to do it and honestly its super fun definitely worth a try
If you train ranged and slayer with a cannon you can level it up quite quick to about 80-85. Thats a comfortable level to do jad and in reasonable time. Honestly just wanting to get it over with is how you get through the early waves. Blowpipe is still really good in the caves I think, making quick work of the early levels. Runelite has a jad plugin that helps a lot with kiting enemies taking on certain enemies one at a time for less damage to use less food. Theres tons of guides. It’s pretty worth just in getting your first fire cape in my opinion. Good luck!
its honestly worth it, i did it in few hours first time. Yeah it was frustrating but felt super good after doing it + its important item
Hey friend I saw a jad video and thought of you! It is by youtuber “KooDoo” and its a great short guide! A few of the comments have some good tips about it as well. Namely the one that says focus on staying on ranged until a mage attack and then go back to ranged protection. Hope this helps!
"Just don't talk to strangers"
What a European answer
The tip I would give someone is to not fall for how easy content creators make it look to grind out skills or KC. It takes them hours and hours to get short clips, so expect to also spend a huge chunk of time progressing yourself.
Also, dying can be frustrating and disheartening, but it’s part of the experience when learning boss mechanics. After many deaths, I only just recently had the DK rotation clock for me, and that’s probably one of the easiest things to learn when bossing. I’m excited to move on to other bosses and spend the time learning them. It’s a game, have fun.
Honestly, these scams make it hard to make friends with people around my level, I just wanna talk to people and they treat me with so much suspicion.
Agreed on much, I confess I’m only 91 slayer but every time I unlock a slayer boss I grind it to learn the mechanics and get the kc needed to hit the hiscores (except guardians*) after which I go back to the xp grind and overall this applies to number 10….it’s fun and rewarding, feels like a little treat and break from the grind.
* I want the granite dust for my cannon balls and I want the pet. So I’ve compromised with my play style in that whenever I get a Gargoyle task, I do one inventory worth of supplies to grind the boss. Usually 5 to 6 kills, then head to the basement to grind
i set small goals that get big. I wanted Mort hard diaries so I could do better barrow runs. I needed more agility. The seers course would be needed for better xp. To maximize the seers course xp I needed Kandarin hard diary. So one simple goal became a much larger one.
It reset my drive for the game tbh
I’m doing this exact thing rn except o just want seers teleports for training agil
@@ZombieNationLTD same story for me. Ill go grind agility for Me2... karamja hard diaries and a graceful recolour later, Im loading a blowpipe and feeling like I went down a rabbit hole.
Lol that’s not even that much extra unless u have a shit account
It's worse when people catfish you for months before screwing you over and then pretend like they have no idea what you are talking about or flat out ignore you.
Most players go straight to endgame content with low skill because of black market and selling gold, just go top ffa worlds.. very embarracing like 105 cb 112cb with whip and void, pretty disgusting
Dislike this video cause he was being weird, whats this I'm hearing about "Having Fun".
Having fun=XP Waste, Not worth it
JK JK Great Content, Thxs, Keep it up m8
I strongly disagree about NMZ, I used it at times I could only do the absolute most afk task, so it was time I couldn’t do anything else
Regardless, to say it’s a big mistake is a bit more of a personal grudge than anything else, it actually hugely benefited my account
I now have 99 slayer and if anything it saved me time if nothing else
First mistake, not making BILLIONS from gout tubers
OH MY LORDDDDDDDDDD
Youre wrong about NMZ
For most people the enjoyable/important parts of the game are the endgame raids and pvm money makers
For them it is better to spend their afk time on combat stats than fishing or woodcutting for achievement diary cape
I'm literally not wrong lmao
@@KaozOSRS lmao lol haha
Do you want to address my points?
@@razorn6247 lmao lol haha
@@KaozOSRS tbf you got me
Well played
Really dumb take, NMZ lets you afk train while working, studying, whatever. You don't have to sit there and pay attention like slayer. there's literally 0 downside.
Stop playing the game to get XP/gp per hour. That's so sweaty. Just play casually and time will fly without feeling like your playing and endless grind.
I think the last point is a good point. I hardly play the game anymore because I don't really enjoy playing it much anymore even though I enjoy watching content about it. I believe I would actually feel miserable if I forced myself. doing a little goal from time to time is plenty good for me :)
2:02 "If something is too good to be true, it probably is" pretty sure you mean "if something SEEMS too good to be true, it probably is" eh?
My bad, read script incorrectly. You're correct
@Kaoz OSRS naw I was in a foul mood sorry for correcting something so small. Great video king
1. I picked the wrong slayer master. I did long, boring tasks and it turned me off from doing slayer.
2. I rushed combat and didn't do enough skilling which made my account unbalanced in levels.
If I were doing it all over again I would do a lot more skilling at the start and pretty much only do slayer for combat and then do bossing when I am almost maxed combat.
I like you crap on the people who got 99 in combat stats without 99 slayer😂😂. Sorry slayer takes longer to get 99 in because I have to go get a new task every time.
Funny how that used to be the only way to 99 in every combat stat till the introduced slayer.
Comment got under your skin eh buddy?
#10 doesnt rlly make sense to me. For me (and im sure alot of other ppl) the ACTUAL fun activities are always hidden by 80-90 combat stats or other high requirements
i would suggest finding better way to asking for likes. because i unsubbed because of just how cringe it was when you said leave a cheeky like. sorry but im not sorry please change the cringe
Your mental was destroyed by a 5-word line of text? Your mommy forgot to warm up your chicken tendies, didn't she you cheeky loser
Use quest as milestone, then work your way towards completing quest
Get as much unlimited teleports unlocked as possible, ectofungus, drakan medallion, fairy rings, 75 crafting for slayer ring, spirit trees etc. 55 runecraft for unlimited law runes
They really make a big difference to the game when you can teleport everywhere
i played back in 05. Your videos are in my feed and its making want to experience it again
What lvl should I be for the funny money worm combat stat wise
Some of us don't have the time to do all of this, so we afk, lol.
The NMZ advice is pure trash. Don't NMZ to 99 but it's perfectly fine to do to 90~. So much content is locked behind combat you're far better off AFKing there than spending hundreds of hours training a trash skill like slayer which isn't even very useful for non-ironmen past 70.
Found the Nightmare zone warrior
yes slayer is trash because afking at nmz is so fun!!!
Number 10 is the most important one together with 4 maybe. It's a game after all you should have fun most importantly. I know people who quit RS because they set a goal that takes ages to achieve and didnt like the path you need to take to get it. For instace when I was looking for a good armor to traing melee combat Fighter Torso is mentioned a lot, but you need to play Barbarian assault minigame and I hate that minigame, I tried it once for the achievement diaries and then never touched it again. People shouldn't feel forced to do everything as efficiently as possible. Simply if you are not having fun, don't do it.
Set realistic goals huh? Time to solo ToB!
I think the problem with people not spending money comes from other mmos having bind on equip items. So people are just used to skipping over a few upgrades to save money.
I dislike that concept somewhat. I played a game called Cabal Online which had similar mechanics like "Account/Character bind on Pickup/Equip", sure it's nice to use and it feels unique, but when you want your next upgrade (if can purchase) your current BIS doesn't work to help towards it. Recently I upgraded from Bandos to Torva and that extra ~70m helped :D
although rs is probably the best mmorpg out there tied with the first years of wow, it isn't fun anymore. hopefully something better launches soon™, but good video
You'll be back soon lmfao
@@KaozOSRS fml
quests get you onto the bossing ladder mindset. beating ds2 is a great start
The whole notion of "do slayer instead of being an nmz warrior" is the most elitist thing about this video. Being efficient isn't always an option for people who play this game, especially people who play this game casually and afk when working or watching videos or whatever. If you want to nmz your stats to 99 instead of constantly doing slayer tasks, than do it! Don't let any elitist video stop you. The only mistake you are making is watching this video and taking any of the words here as gospel. Play the game how you want to play it.
If you're doing slayer efficiently you are mainly doing bursting or cannoning tasks, so in the end you wont actually get that much melee combat xp out of it
I love seeing people like kaoz thinking they are so smart and totally ignore the math. Getting 90s before starting slayer is the most effective way to train
Nah, there’s a lot of AFK tasks you can do and those will only train melee (gargoyles, non bursting catacomb tasks). Waiting until 90 combats is absurd. Slayer is an incredibly slow skill to train and you don’t want to do that with high combats to the point you aren’t gaining combat levels while training slayer, can cause you to burnout quick.
@@AJ_Ol gargoyles is the perfect example of a totally inefficient thing to do. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it's about 400k gp/h, 10k slayer xp/h, 45k combat xp/h. Doing efficient slayer with up to 100k xp/h if you go sweaty with alts or 50k xp/h regularly and doing nmz for 100k+ combat xp/h super afk with one click every 15mins is just way better.
And honestly, if you burnout playing rs, it's probably for the better lol
@@derda3209 I’ve done both, did I good amount of NMZ early on. Training combat through slayer is way more enjoyable and rewarding. There’s only a handful of tasks that are quick and sweating for XP isn’t something I’ll ever do.
If you want to be 10 slayer with base 90 combats, more power to you. I’m not playing the game that way.
Everyone should just play at their own pace, the way they want, and ignore the sweaty neck beards that demand you do things a specific way.
I know the membership unlocks a ton within the game but is it worth it overall? And which version is the best bang for my buck
I think you should definitely go to nmz and get higher combats before doing slayer, the slayer masters who give good tasks are locked behind combat level. camping slayer or crabs from like 60-80 in combat is annoying and you can afk for 20 minutes in NMZ without worrying about dying. Who cares if you have low slayer level and high combats anyways l0l. Also i think people should def do bosses before 99 slayer. if you're 'focused on the grind' you can still do bosses and get experience. the cape perk is the only reason to get 99 and its nice but you shouldn't get caught up in xp loss because you want to try a boss. if you get a boss task and you wanna try it just do it
100% disagree about NMZ training. It is the fastest way to unlock content in the game. You can max combat and unlock the best money makers in the game. If your not going for max and you just care about PVM content. Other AFK skills are useless compared to having max combat.
Also, doing farm runs are useless after you unlock Vorkath and have DHCB or DH lance if you are going for money. If you need XP do Tree runs. I can understand if you enjoy herb runs but if your like me you don't enjoy it
Soooooooo you're agreeing that by training Slayer outside of combat you're doing double work for the same goal of reaching end game bossing? xd
Like you said, if you're not having fun then that's an issue. Your goal in this game if you want to play long term is to have fun. Burnout is a big issue if you just listen to any old content creator saying what your doing for fun is "inefficient"
Good point, I guess I would feel frustrated with (near) maxed combat anf not high Slayer. It goes by so slow, but if gaining combat levels it's pretty satisfying
@@KaozOSRS it's not exactly double the work since if your slayer tasks are faster since your doing more DPS. Especially early slayer. Lvl 70-90
My first mistake, do things without getting helpful boosts and unlocks first. My second mistake, force myself to do them and be miserable. After that, do whichever I feel like at the time and be content. no more mistakes
The biggest mistake: Waste time not grinding
I will admit that I am an NMZ Warrior but that's partly due to the fact that I really don't like doing Slayer. I know it's one of, if not the most popular skill in both OSRS and RS3 so it sounds like blasphemy for me to say this as a long time RuneScape player, but I just don't enjoy it. I'm probably going to end up doing the same thing I did with RS3 and save Slayer as one of my last few 99s, even if it is less efficient that way. I prefer doing enjoyable methods rather than faster methods. At the end of the day I just care about the end result, not how fast I got to the end result.
I camped Nightmare Zone to 97 Att/Str/Def, getting the last two levels with slayer. 20 mill points will give me a lot of money in herbs and I was able to imbue everything in the game.
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I completely disagree on the NMZ being a waste of time. It's one of the most AFK things you can do in the game (other than Birdhouses/Farming). Your point was that we should do other AFK grindable skills like Fishing, Woodcutting or Mining. It all depends on what you classify as AFK though. In my job, I can't afford to be looking at the screen every few minutes. Even once every 20 minutes is pushing it. Therefore my only AFK option (when I'm wfh) is NMZ. It allows me to do all my chores, work and study without having to dedicate more than a few seconds every hour for great XP.
That tip for trying to beat your xp/h PB is really cool I never considered that
The format of this video makes it seem that doing research is a mistake
Definitely feel called out. Got nmz maxed melee stats. But imo at a certain point only need to remote into my PC to send a tap throughout the day was far more afk than anything else possible in the game
I'm maxing with nmz at work so yes I'm guilty of that since Slayer would be a thousand times more worth it XD, I do it while I'm at work so the account gets some progress at the same time and I want to do some Melee content, but I guess I'll stop doing it so frequently and I will do Fishing or another afkable skill since Is more efficient to train slayer with melee
Common mistake is using up the last charge on jewelry. I always high alc my rings of dueling or games necklaces at 1 charge left so you don’t lose any go
Herb runs suck I would rather do 2 vorkath kills
Hope ya like Grapes and a wrath talisman!
Just let people play like they want to play, its all about having fun and not trying to be the best player possible…
I do allot of things i don't really enjoy, whether it's for gp for upgrades, skills for quests, or the quests themselves. But im slowly getting to a point where i can do bosses and raids, the things i actually want to do
When I started OSRS back a year ago, a guy gave me 10 mil for no reason. Didn't ask me to do anything, just said it would help me out, and it did.
Osrs is a great game truly! There is a reason gamers quit and come back to playing it again. But people who have a life, work, training and other social life are limited in playing osrs. some people don't have 8-10 hours to grind everyday unfortunately :/
"in osrs you are your only opponent" *Me: has flashbacks to trying to grind green dragons in the wildly and being sniped by a level 99 magic user at my CL about 70, dieing in two spells. Losing so much in value before I knew better x,D going to the GE to rebuy my setup... And seeing the same person, selling my setup.. as my GE purchase dings*
The disrespect. I will never forget. In osrs, everyone is my opponent x,D
(Memeing but damn that was a savage encounter for me)
So I've went from f2p to p2p. I try to keep my members active thru bonds. And green dragons in the wildy with looting bag is great money. Until you run into a pker 🤣 so how about the first few times I thought I had it figured out. Had food. Prayer. Run energy. I'm thinking if I get attacked I'll run to lvl 20 tele out. Dude starts hitting me with magic. I get to lvl 20 wilderness. I hit varrock teleport. I was tele blocked 🥲 didn't know that was a thing. Lmao then one guy came by with like no armor on. Stopped said hey. Spun around and swung on me with a dagger that had venom on it. I'm running away he's chasing me talking about sorry I thought you were someone else....well ok then why are u still following me 🤣 the green dragon grind is real bro.
I think the only point I really disagree with is not going hard into bossing before maxing.
Especially if it's a slayer boss like the GG's, cerb, thermy, or krakatoa. Like yea I would agree don't sit there on the money snake for weeks, but if you have a slayer task & a boss you want to try and kill do it.
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The slayer vs nmz argument really comes down to how you value your time.
I did a lot of nmz when I was working because it was so little attention required, it's essentially free xp considering I'd normally not be getting anything during those hours.
You then take that xp and use it to speed up your slayer xp when you're actually playing actively. Sure, you're overflowing your combat xp, but who cares? You're going to do that anyway if you start raiding/bossing.
most common mistake is new players taking millions into pvp and feeding all the pkers not understanding any of the mechanics and account builds
Finally got 99 magic & 99 range 💯❤️ 51k maniacal monkeys slain @ tens of thousands of darts & months 🤣
I want to try to cannon my slayer lvls to "save" money instead of chining.
I think one mistake I keep making is letting myself be a noob. I know, that sounds silly, but the thing is. I often play runescape on the side of doing something else. Like watching shows, doing school work, cleaning. The sorts. By doing all this, I'm accepting the fact that I don't have time and despite having placed a solid amount of hours into runescape overall, I hardly know anything about the game! I mean, the only skill I ever hit 99 in is woodcutting in rs3... cutting elders the entire time.
I struggle to understand the scope of options and commitment to understand the games mechanics. Like farming? I never learned that skill. I know I plant stuff, but that's it. I've never done barrows before and I don't know how to boss what-so-ever. The mole and kbd are the only bosses I ever beat!
I'm playing osrs for the first time and using runelite has helped me a lot with opening up to new mechanics in the game and with how massive the community is, there are a lot of good videos out there to teach me about a bunch of stuff! None-the-less. There is tons for me to learn and I'm barely scratching the surface. It's been a lot of fun seeing content I've never touched before so far!
afking combat isnt that bad, and it does make slayer way fucking faster...for the lower levels
Hard disagree on NMZ vs slayer. NMZ is so afk it can be done on 'breaks'. I literally just played mobas instead for a week or two and got max melee and ranged combat.
Meanwhile slayer is the slowest most terrible skill in the entire game, and every possible method to expedite it should be taken. The theoretical ability to train combat and slayer and once is utterly fake. All combat except for magic is zero time. Doing slayer slowly while thinking about theoretical efficiency is just incorrect.
I had actual fun getting 99 combat and ranged, by not doing it.
This while making slayer, the worst possible skill, take 25% less time. NMZ is the Daeyalt essence of slayer.
One thing i will disagree with him on(or not so much disagree but sort of a counter arguement i guess) is dailies. The vast majority of osrs players are 9 to 5ers and get maybe a couple hours a day. Doing like bstaves might be quick but doing all(or a significant chunk) of the dailies will eat into ur play time quickly. Ur much better off camping some good moneymakers from skilling(ik herb runs is skilling shush) or bosses like vorkath/zulrah/raids, etc. Instead of dailies. For example i come home from work and i got 2hrs to play. Do i spend 30min-1hr doing dailies then do 1hr of toa or do 2 hrs of toa? Well considering toa is by far one of the curent best money makers 2 hrs of toa makes way more sense.
I recommend playing goal oriented as you said but be open to changing it up if it doesn't work for you.
I for the life of me didn't understand blackjacking and ended up training 77-91 thru ardy knights & pyramid plunder instead of stressing about not being the most efficient way because I still got it done.
Along the way you'll often find things you could do to make something more efficient but it requires a long grind (elite morytania for extra herb patch for instance) don't be afraid to switch up your grinds and focus on another one if you feel it'll help you out in the long run.
If you ever feel mega burned out, play a different game for a little bit, you'll probably come back to runescape after a bit feeling less bleh about your next goal.
I don’t like when you said at the start “…play more efficiently and have fun doing it”. What if me bank standing or collecting shovels are barrows is fun for me? It’s subjective. Efficiency can take the fun out of the game because an MMORPG is just that, you doing what you want….but when you abide by the efficiency standards, it’s telling you how to do something you used to do otherwise. Sometimes it’s more fun to clean +10 more vorkaths/hour but other times, fun might be trying to solo corp with only potatoes. You know? Subjective. But good video. I learned some things that I didn’t think I would as a 15+ year veteran.
Maxed acc here. I disagree with a lot of what you said. You just repeat general talking points by the community without any critical thought. For example, you railed against NMZ leveling saying that slayer will make you more money and is more efficient than NMZ. Well by the time you hit 99 slayer I'll have 500 toa kc and 500 cox kc with a few bill easily. There's so many other points here too which are very narrow minded.
I never knew this would be a mistake untill after it happened. I made a good OSRS friend, played with him for years! One day he messages me to meet him at the ge.. to my surprise he decided to give up RuneScape because it had become a mmmaaajjooorrrr problem in his life :(. Imagine my surprise when he gives me 670m+. I would say that was a game changing moment but it turns out it would be in a negative way! That killed my drive to grind out skills and learn new bosses, at that point I was already 99 in all melee hp, mining, and slayer, sure I got a bunch of xp and shiny gear but it all feels hollow and underwhelming and the game has lost a lot of enjoyment. Mostly I'll just stand at the ge these days or hop into f2p to take a noob on a dumb adventure for some coins but that's really it since then. Him and I played other games together after he quit and we're on discord alot, and we still are to this day so I know him leaving the game wasn't the issue D:
I don't think you're "NMZ warrior" makes much sense. You unlock higher slayer masters at higher combat levels, making later game slayer have higher experience rates. Not to mention, since you're making an efficiency argument, efficient slayer is largely cannoned and bursted. NMZing your melees is still the play, just not to 99. Otherwise, I think it was a great guide and I agree with a lot of it. I personally slayed via bosses to 99 slayer, had a blast doing it.
I don't do herb runs because it's just not worth the time doing it for the money after 99 farming.
Right now with almost every unlock I could make 270K a run. I can do a full run in like 10 minutes, so the gp/h is around 1.62M/h. I would rather do vorkath which is 4+M/h.