I mean the core of this argument all actually comes down to goku vs gohan. Too many people believe gohan is stronger than ssj3 goku and in turn apply that to buuhan. In their mind how can buuhan be weaker than kid buu when gohan is stronger than goku who fought evenly with kid kid buu.
I never understood how this could be a long debate. It was stated so many times that kid Buu was on other levels from so many episodes like how many times does the show have to keep reminding you that he’s above all the other villains as well? 😂
Maybe because some DB watchers think that absorbing = getting stronger, which is valid, and the fact that if your not as detail oriented on quotes, it’s easy to misunderstand how Buuhan (who needed fusion to beat) is stronger than Kid Buu (who we see fight SSJ3) ^Im not saying Kid Buu < Buuhan, I’m saying that on a face value someone can make this assumption easily
@@teezy786 I mean, fusion, fighting in general, narrative implications, the fact Goku wanted Gohan to handle Buu knowing he could full well beat Buu on his own, if it truly was a threat beyond him, being relaxed like that just for the future gen to handle it makes sense. But he only reacts when Gohan is absorbed, in which he needs fusion. Goku has the same statements or more in favor for Kid Buu as he does for Buuhan, he wished he fused against Kid Buu, and it’s made clear that Kid Buu was toying with everyone.
@@Chris_HT So: Ultimate Gohan was absolutely washing Super Buu. Buu then absorbs Gotenks and begins to beat the piss out of Gohan. He straight up says hes the strongest Majinn ever. Goku appears and is telling Gohan to fuse so they can beat Buutenks. He knew how strong he himself was and somehow you think he got thousands of times stronger with a zenkai of some kind? Zenkais are only from near death experiences. Vegeta straight up said that the ones on Namek were unusual and even then Goku only went from 90k - 3mil. Are you saying Goku got a huge zenkai even bigger than the unusual ones on Namek? from just the fusion? If so why didn't Vegeta do better against Kid Buu if he got it too? Goku also said he can't hold SSJ3 because he doesn't have a dead body so the fusion thing isn't the smoking gun you think it is. Goku has said multiple times SSJ3 drains his stamina too much. He was about to finish Buu before he dropped the form.
It's also stated and shown that fused characters at their base are much stronger than their individual parts. Gotenks base was about SSJ 2 easily. Gotenks SSJ 3 was stronger than Goku's SSJ 3. Same goes for Vegito.
My Arguments for Kid Buu First , Kid Buu vs Super Buu. In the manga and the manga data books, SS3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan were capable of utterly foddering Super Buu with ease, this meaning that Super Buu doesn’t scale to any of the new generation. (Excluding Goten and Trunks) In the El Manga Legendario (A official Spanish guide for Dragon ball that was released by Toei) its stated and narratively implied that none of the Z Fighters could defeat Kid Buu one on one, saying that it would require teamwork to do so. And Teamwork in Dragon Ball makes the characters stronger as stated by Belmod. In the Anime and Anime Databooks, Goku states that Kid Buu is the strongest person he’s ever fought. In the anime. Goku fought fake Warrior Gohan who was stated to be equal to the true Gohan by Goku himself. Goku also fought the likes of Buutenks and Buuhan. Considering Gohan was bopping Super Buu in the anime and that Buutenks and Buuhan are logically above Super Buu as they are literally treated to be massive amps, it’s safe to say that Kid Buu comfortably scales above that of Base Super Buu. “GOKU WAS AFRAID OF SUPER BUU BUT NOT KID BUU!” Goku said that if him and vegeta went out “Like this” they would be killed, Goku was referring to the weaker state that both him and Vegeta were in due to being forcefully shrunk in size. It was stated in Daizenshuu 10 that Goku and Vegeta were lowered to 1/100th of their true strength and it was stated in Daizenshuu 7 that Vegito is the only character that can’t be weakened by being shrunk. To say that Goku knew he would return to his original size would require more evidence considering that there is no indication that he had such knowledge. “SUPER BUU IS A FUSION” Buu’s absorption’s are not linear as he they can also make him weaker, Fat Buu is a fusion yet he was getting his ass beat by Kid Buu. Your point? Now that I’ve established Kid Buu being greater than Super Buu. I’ll explain Buuhan. On numerous occasions, over and over, stated in numerous guides and said numerous times in the Anime. Kid Buu is the ultimate Majin and the strongest opponent yet. There’s hardly any statements for Buuhan being the strongest opponent in Z besides to 2 random ones which pale in comparison to the evidence supporting Kid Buu on being the strongest. Kid Buu Statements Dende from the DBS Manga states that Kid Buu was the strongest opponent they faced in Z. Old Kai stating Buu is the most dangerous which is referring to his power, as Kibito states that Kid Buu lost power by absorbing power then the Old Kai states “the small one over there… is the first, most dangerous one.” Goku had said a lot things about Kid Buu they fought. “You sure are strong. Huh? More than I imagined.” “If I had known it would’ve been like this, I would have put you away for when we were Vegito.” “Damnit not even Super Saiyan 3 can keep up.” “If only we had the potara.” DBZ KAl Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous, and powerful version of himself? Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form." This is all in reference to a suppressed Kid Buu before he grew stronger by spitting out Fat Buu who wasn’t trying at all with Goku or Vegeta until the Spirit Bomb. Dragon Ball Z Fact Files dictate that even though Kid Buu is the smallest and most childlike of all of the Buu's, he possesses the most power and ability in comparison to the previous versions of Buu. Koyama might have said that he thinks Buuhan is stronger but he has no actual say in the Buu Saga part of the anime and that’s just his opinion of it. Agreeing with him on this is simply an appeal to false authority. (He later admitted to Kid Buu being stronger as well) in the Manga Vegeta says that no one else in the entire Universe could fight Kid Buu. (This is him being aware of Gohan and Gotenks btw) this is further backed by multiple guidebooks claiming Kid Buu and Goku to be the strongest. Kid Buu has better feats, more statements and more creditability to him being the strongest Majin. The anime CONSTANTLY pushes the idea of Kid Buu being the strongest, even verbatim explaining that it’s “absolute” that he’s the most powerful Majin? Sounds like to me that they’re telling Buuhan supporters that he’s not the strongest, it’s not debatable. Even with the absence of the anime we can turn to the guides and we get the same results. V-Jump even explains that Buuhan is actually relative to SS3 Goku. In comparison a full power SS3 Goku is incapable of defeating Kid Buu. This paired with the fact that Kid Buu was trolling Goku the entire time throughout their fight should comfortably place him above SS3 Goku, leading us to Kid Buu > SS3 Goku ~ Buuhan.
My argument for Kid Buu vs Vegito (Theoretical) Kid Buu Vs Vegito Basically Elder Kai is not credible with how Potara Earrings work with mortal’s because he was pre judging it based on Gods, meaning he has no say in how it would work on mortal’s because he’s only seen it on gods. He doesn’t have full experience and knowledge of the Potara Earrings, evidence being his lack of knowledge of the Potara time limit, his assumption that they would never surpass Vegito but that’s incorrect because they surpass those levels when it comes to the spirit bomb. (If not there then in God form during B.O.G) Vegito’s only scaling to Kid Buu would be someone who’s completely inferior to him through Buuhan, scaling him to Kid Buu wouldn’t be credible due to Elder Kai’s inexperience and lack of knowledge of the Potara’s effect on mortals specifically. Kid Buu was not struggling with Pushing back a Universal Spirit Bomb, but Vegito was struggling with Buuhan’s Universal Shout. I’d say that Buuhan fight Vegito isn’t comparable to full power kid buu, but a hypothetical SS3 Buuhan fight Vegito could contend with him, or a Kid Buu fight Vegito could possibly contend.
fat buu is not a fusion when he drops kid buu and everyone else the only one that remains was the good guy but hence that is consifered the weakest version of buu. dude if ss3 goku was relative to buutenks he would of fought him. the statements about kid buu bring the strongest are marketing material and nothing more i can bring up prior examples were said about cell and frieza at their times, nothing special. i can keep going about those specific scan statements. nothing about the goku vs kid buu fight states that kid buu is that much stronger than him at all even if you say he was holding back that would make zero sense. there are instances where kid buuu gets extremly pissed and if he was that strong he would at least tap goku strong enough to amke him cough for air. dbz works by the numbers and you fail to understand hte basics the addition of kid buu fighters makes him stronger. also if super buu was afraid to not be himself how does he know that why is he afraid it means something happens that he wont be himself, but you dont just imply that out of nowehere. it means that either understands the naure of the problem or it has happened before. also super buu says the bnirth of the strongst majin period dude.
@@dolphin-studio I would respond to this but this doesn’t refute anything, also how would you prove that every claim for Kid Buu being the strongest is “marketing material” when most of these references and guides were released years after the main anime and manga ended😂😂😂 ungodly amounts of cope.
Nah, sorry fam but gotta disagree with the Buutenks claim. He remembers Gohan from when he was fat Buu, and Vegeta as well. Also Fat Buu only listened to Babidi since he remembered being selaed and controlled by Bibidi back in the day when he was Kid Buu. Buutenks is objectively stronger than Kid Buu according to himself in the manga and anime. Also Koyama doesn't say Kid Buu is stronger, that is a misinterpretation, he was refering to the person asking the question having that stance. He in fact said twice Buuhan is stronger even when shown the kid buu screen caps. Also statements about being the strongest Buu can easily be explained as refering to the pure versions or Buu in general as a whole, as absorbtions can be considered outside power ups and majin Buu can denote any or all forms. The only way you dont contradict the statements in the anime or manga is to place Buutenks above Kid Buu, who he would have been refering to as one of his weaker forms. That way Kid Buu is the strongest pure version while Buutenks claim is still accurate surpassing Kid Buu with an external power up.
Yeah that's also why fat Buu (even after losing most his strength post split) was still doing about as well as Vegeta which wouldn't make sense if Goku and Vegeta got a power up in order to compete with a stronger kid Buu.
Buutenks’ statement is very contradictory and arrogant to the point where it shouldn’t be used. That would mean that he is stronger than Buuhan which we all know is not true. There’s other statements from Koyama who said that Kid Buu is the strongest version of Majin Buu. And Koyama literally went back on that Buuhan statement, and said that he was only referring to the transformation forms.
Bro what ? Fat doesn't renember when he was Kid Buu, and Kid buu wasn't manipulated by Babidi at all. Kid buu was doing destroying everything before badidi was born. So Super Buu doesn't renember when he was Kid Buu. The fact you believe that Buutenks and Buuhan are stronger than Kid Buu in anime just shown how Buuhantards are delusional as hell when Goku himself and the narrator stated multiple time that Kid Buu is the strongest forms.. You can still cope harder buddy. Goku literally said if Mr Satan and Fat buu didn't help us. Kid Buu was going to kill us all, including Gohan and Gotenks. Ssj1 Goku literally beat clone of Ultimate Gohan who has the same strength as the true ultimate Gohan bruh.
This doesn't make any sense though. For Kid Buu to be stronger than Buuhan, that means whenever buu absorbs someone he gets weaker. When we know for a fact that Kid Buu gets stronger when absorbing someone that's why he was feared, because if Kid Buu meant someone stronger than him he would absorb them. Think about it logically, if Kid Buu absorbs Ultimate Gohan is Kid Buu now weaker?
I would really like a manga version of this because both anime and manga are canon but I like to see more of what toriyama created. So you could prolly use Kai. But I do like you points. Also one thing. Vegito doesn’t have something unique to him that negates being shrunken. It’s just that he so vastly powerful. I’m not sure if you misworded that. But overall w vid
DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ Episode 278 20min59sec mark Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!" Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴ DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
the video talks about both. also no it's outright stated that his power didn't go down. it isn't that his power is so high that the nerf doesn't matter. Every Guide, even the manga tell you this
@@hystor1c I used to tell ppl that that this was a power over hax feat DragonBall has. So if ppl were to the Goku into something it wouldn’t work because it didn’t work on vegito who was so powerful. So you think the candy beam would work on Goku in super?
Vegeta when he sees super buu : shit should have fused didn't know Vegeta when he sees kid boo: shit he's strong welp our best team work can beat him tho lmao
Bro your just yapping here lemme debunk you rq, buuhan fought vegito game over argument over and goku wasnt even tryna fight buutenks let alone buuhan, he was confident against kid buu but terrified of buuhan theres also no evidence that kid buu was holding back and buutenks or buuhan wasnt your just giving him the benefit of doubt and downplaying them, enough said.
DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ Episode 278 20min59sec mark Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!" Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴ DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form." " *But But But tHeY cHoSe To fUsE aGaInSt Buuhan!* " (Even though Vegeta was very reluctant to do so mind you) *SSJ3 Goku fights Kid Buu* ↓↓↓ DBZ Episode 277 Sub " Maybe I've been trying too much to look cool. I thought things would go better than this!" DBZ Kai episode 160 "Shoot! Maybe ive been playing things too cool! I thought i could handle it better than this" DB Chapter 510 pg 12 Goku - "He'd be no problem if we used the potara! Guess I was a bit too cocky...I thought this would work!" Interviewer: In several parts of Dragon Ball, *THE MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER IS ACTUALLY THE SMALLEST, CUTEST, AND YOUNGEST LOOKING* For example young Goku, or Freeza, and Majin Boo in their FINAL TRANSFORMATIONS." Akira Toriyama: *I wanted to go against the expectations that the strong ones always get stronger and bigger*
@ His examples aren’t the problem here, his point is still confirmed by Toriyama. If Buu/and or Frieza hadn’t been their strongest in their FINAL FORMS then Toriyama could’ve easily countered the interviewers assertion
@BasedKuuTooGourmet umm actually interviewer said kid goku who isn't strongest anywhere 🤓 ☝ Also freezee isn't strongest too, chad bulked up daddyku is strongest of the arc 😳☝
and yet there is not a single proof actually showing he is wrong there is actually more saying he is right Here a copy paste from someone else DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ Episode 278 20min59sec mark Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!" Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴ DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form." " But But But tHeY cHoSe To fUsE aGaInSt Buuhan! " (Even though Vegeta was very reluctant to do so mind you) SSJ3 Goku fights Kid Buu ↓↓↓ DBZ Episode 277 Sub " Maybe I've been trying too much to look cool. I thought things would go better than this!" DBZ Kai episode 160 "Shoot! Maybe ive been playing things too cool! I thought i could handle it better than this" DB Chapter 510 pg 12 Goku - "He'd be no problem if we used the potara! Guess I was a bit too cocky...I thought this would work!" Interviewer: In several parts of Dragon Ball, THE MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER IS ACTUALLY THE SMALLEST, CUTEST, AND YOUNGEST LOOKING For example young Goku, or Freeza, and Majin Boo in their FINAL TRANSFORMATIONS." Akira Toriyama: I wanted to go against the expectations that the strong ones always get stronger and bigger
@@KiyoGam1To be fair in that last quote, it was the interviewer who gave the examples, not Akira. The examples brought up don't even apply since Frieza has to get bigger in his buff form (both Frieza and frost refer to it as a transformation) So Akira is likely agreeing that the trend exists, not necessarily agreeing with the examples themselves. I'm not commenting on the entire Buu debate but that interview isn't the best evidence to use
Facts that's what I've been saying lets not forget when super buu was turning into kid buu he was increasing in power. People fail to understand that. Honestly anyone who really thinks buuhan is stronger than kid buu is clearly a idiot or being fooled. Also Saying buuhan is the strongest and kid buu is the most dangerous also confirms kid buu is stronger because your not the most powerful if your not the most dangerous. But than again even tho you showed proof they won't accept the truth
Nope, buuhan is stronger. But kid but is more dangerous. If you put an elephant and a lion in a room, 1 is more powerful and the other is more dangerous.
@@Bloodhunt456nope, you just misinterpret the message. I was clearly referring to the fact that one does not need to be the strongest to be the most dangerous. Put 1 lion in an enclosed field with 10 people for a month. Then 1 elephant in an enclosed field with 10 people for a month. One will have significantly more casualties than the other due to their instinctive nature. Kid buu has a significantly more destructive nature without need for any reasoning.
If absorbing people made him weaker, buu would not have absorbed Picollo. He wouldn't have absorbed Gotenks. Or Gohan. Why would he make himself weaker? The only one stated to nerf him was the Grand Supreme Kai
in fact here is one thing i thought about that can debunk this insanity. kid buu was decibated and cleaerly did not want to die so he would be using his full power to survive so with that said, kid buu was pushed back and killed by the sum of all of earths genki. buuhan power up was collapsing the macrocosm so by math and logic are you saying that the totality of earths life force far exceeds the power to collapse all dimensions at least in the mortal universe and possibly the macrocosm? ill leave you to answer that.
xept u realize...... that Earths Energy consisted of Gohan,Piccolo......so on so on........ >.> Macrocosm is a place..... that was getting tore open... not really destroyed, it was going to be like what happened with hyperbolic time chamber when buu screamed and opened a portal, Meanwhile Kid Buu was pushing back a Spirit Bomb that consisted of ALL of that Energy plus Goku's AND Fully Rejuvenated Goku by the Dragon Balls , So no, It was not going to be destroyed by Buuhans Own Strength, rather it was from the situation aka breaking the walls between dimensions and causing the dimensions to start to weighing down on the Universe and crushing it. Invalid Argument mate.
@@tchrono12 umm actually 🤓 if you read or watch your will realize being revived doesn't refill your energy as goku said about vegeta. Piccolo, gohan, goten and trunks all died not a while ago so they were at bare minimum energy at the time 😭 Also pushing back SB isn't a feat, as vegeta quote "throwing is crucial for SB" All goku needed to throw it correctly
@@ohhellwhereami2574 ????? dude wth u smoking, dende literally asked shenron to refill goku's strength, aka his ki,stamina >.> why u think he suddenly easily went ssj to push the spirit bomb to kid buu? ...... DB Fans these days....
man DB fans finna never beat the allegations. Kid Buu is stated to make the universe go poof. Buuhan needed an amp in order to achieve an overtime destruction of the universe. Not only that but goku took the genki from earth, the universe, and hell. so that's 2 universal sized constructs imbuing the spirit bomb with power. So yes the super spirit bomb exceeds what Buuhan did😭
Goku was trying to hold off Buutenks so Gohan could put on the Potara, he was not trying to actually defeat him. It’s stated that after you’re revived, you don’t have full ki, so goku isn’t able to fight Buutenks at full power. (When did Vegeta fight Buutenks?)
@jacket8818 no he didn't😭 Buutenks knew that Goku was a challenge hence why he stopped fighting him to blast at gohan😭 keep in mind you are comparing two fights with two different versions of buu, that are fighting COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Buutenks is bloodlusted, Kid Buu is holding back😭😭😭god yall buuhan dick riders never cease to amaze me
@ Buutenke is bloodlusted and kid buu is holding back ☠️☠️, yeah definitely Hope you have a great day, go and drink some water no need to rise your blood pressure
I think the only point you missed was the intelligence/strategy aspect (unless I got overloaded with facts), but other than that, bullet proof arguments.
Buutenks said he was the strongest buu to exist when he fused with gotenks,absorbing others DOES make him stronger,he went from being destroyed by gohan to beating him,He did not want to fight buuhan because he had the powers of gohan who was stronger than him,super buu alone would wash him becuse he states that gotenks is stronger than him,you dont inderstand such simple concepts
@@usuario15965 ironic. This is pathetic. Buutenks doesn't have memory of a mindless entity. Also no, not every absorption makes his stronger. The grand supreme kai makes him weaker😭 which is stated if you ACTUALLY read. He didn't want to fight buuhan bc he was convinced by elder kai not to. Gohan is not stronger than Goku. Super Buu alone would die, same with Buuhan.
@@hystor1c @hystor1c No not every absrobtion makes him stronger,but pretty sure absorving someone stronger than you makes you stronger,to prove this to you its as simple as seeing that super buu was getting trashed by gohan,but then after absorbing gotenks and piccolo he trashed gohan,he undoubtedly got stronger,now its stated that gotenks after training was stronger than goku and vegeta,and gohan was stronger than gotenks because super buu was equeal to gotenks and gohan was superior to those ,and buu then absorved those two,and ssj 3 goku was equeal or a tad bit superior to kid buu,so whats the logic
If superbuu but had to choose one of 2 paths, either buuhan or kid buu which is stronger. Buuhan has Gohan+ goten+ +trunks+ piccolo for a power boost. Or is the power boost from turning into kid buu higher. (Kid buu = ss3 goku) Gohan is at least equal but most likely stronger than ss3 goku. Fat buu was fighting ss3 goku evenly. Ss3 goku could do nothing to Buutenks. Read carefully; Ss3 gotenks is weaker than Gohan, so Buuhan is stronger than Buutenks. Buuhan is therefore significantly stronger than ss3 goku. Ss3 goku was evenly matched with kid buu, so ss3 goku would get destroyed by Buuhan. Buuhan is stronger (elephant(. Kid buu is more dangerous(lion).
@@ohhellwhereami2574 hahahahahahah DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ Episode 278 20min59sec mark Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!" Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴ DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
Buuhan is the strongest form however kid buu has better fighting tactics where as buuhan jokes around a lot. So Buuhan is stronger than kid buu but kid buu is a more tactical fighter.
@@hystor1c dude math doesnt add up kid buu is one of the weakest. who in the hell in the manga goku said he couldve taken kid buu yet base super buu he was scared of him also, ultimate gohan is comfirmed by toriyama to be the strongest unfused character, buuhan is composed of him plus goten trunks and piccolo dude you suck so hard at math and clear power level statements. then why was ssj3 goku competing against kid buu if he was that strong he would get one shot and no kid buu rarely holds back he blew up the earth. there are so many holes, dude how delusional can you be.
I've always looked at the argument if a kid was power from the standpoint of. Mr boo exists that's a massive chunk of his power that he doesn't have. To get a full powered Kid Buu you have to remove the impurity which is the former Supreme Court. Boohan in contrast is at his max power.
How long are you actually going to keep up with this debate. Ive seen your videos and youve been at this debate for over a year 💀. Inside buu's body vegeta was fighting on par with ssj3 gotenks and ssj goku was also beating ultimate gohan but if you actually use this scene to determine goku and vegetas strength the power difference between these characters would be insanely high. Ssj2 vegeta would be around 100x stronger than ssj3 gotenks and ssj3 goku would be around 8x stronger than ultimate gohan. Plus if you also use the fact that they were in a shrunken state and they could only use 1/100 of their power it only makes the power difference way higher. This would also mean that they would be way stronger than buuhan but goku literally said in buus body that they couldn't defeat base super buu. You did say in your video that goku was probably referring to fighting super buu in their shrunken state but the same goku and vegeta IN THEIR SHRUNKEN STATE were fighting on par with ssj3 gotenks and ultimate gohan who are stronger than base super buu. This literally shows that if regardless of goku and vegeta were in their shrunken state or not they would have still beaten super buu which clearly contradicts what goku said about being unable to beat super buu. Does this not literally prove that goku and vegeta did not get stronger as you think they did
The only way to argue that kid buu is stronger is if goku and vegeta did get stronger throughout the buu arc which i proved that they couldn't have. Goku states that him and vegeta would lose to super buu. Gohan and gotenks both would beat super buu. Also goku only says that kid buu was toying with them AFTER goku loses his stamina which could imply that kid buu was only toying with them after goku couldn't put up a fight anymore due to his power being drained from using ssj3. Also if kid buu truly was holding back against ssj3 goku, why would they believe that goku at full power could defeat kid buu in the first place? If goku and vegeta cannot beat super buu but goku at full power could beat kid buu, then it's pretty clear that super buu is stronger than goku vegeta and kid buu and if gohan and gotenks can beat super buu, than both gohan and gotenks are stronger than the rest of them. Buuhan> Buutenks> Gohan> Ssj3 Gotenks> Super Buu> Ssj3 Goku> Kid Buu> Ssj2 Vegeta.
I hate that people just think goku doesn’t get stronger AT ALL throughout the buu saga. Also goku said kid Buu was holding back against him and they should’ve used fusion. He’s stronger than gohan at the end, this is backed by statements, guidebooks and toriyama himself lmao
@@usuario15965ummm u realize saiyans get stronger thru FIGHTING?? The whole time Goku and vegeta have been fighting in the buu saga which is the same thing as training, how do u think vegeta and trunks and goku and gohan got stronger in the time chamber?? Also golden frieza was able to match up to post goku black arc ssb Goku without any physical training just mental training, and we see goku meditate in the buu saga which is what Frieza did in hell
"he can get stronger through fighting" Ah yes. The grand total of 2-3 fights in the buu saga that Goku had made him go from a super buu victim to a super buu- ultimate Gohan absorbed slayer
@heroricspiritfreinen38 you really need to start paying attention. Nobody is saying Ssj3 Goku is stronger than buuhan😭. Also again he isn't a super buu victim and the stronger the opponent the more potent the increase so yes😭
@@BasedKuuTooGourmet watch the show...why would goku train gohan and go through all this if super buu is weaker than kidbuu then he should have been able to just go and finish the job instead ultimate gohan was required to beat super buu while kidbuu is just a weaker version and goku was confident against him even tho he would lose anyway the only majin SSJ3 can beat was fat buu.
@@MoeBogard In the El Manga Legendario (A official Spanish guide for Dragon ball that was released by Toei) its stated and narratively implied that none of the Z Fighters could defeat Kid Buu one on one, saying that it would require teamwork to do so. And Teamwork in Dragon Ball makes the characters stronger as stated by Belmod. In the Anime and Anime Databooks, Goku states that Kid Buu is the strongest person he’s ever fought. In the anime. Goku fought fake Warrior Gohan who was stated to be equal to the true Gohan by Goku himself. Goku also fought the likes of Buutenks and Buuhan. Considering Gohan was bopping Super Buu in the anime and that Buutenks and Buuhan are logically above Super Buu as they are literally treated to be massive amps, it’s safe to say that Kid Buu comfortably scales above that of Base Super Buu. “GOKU WAS AFRAID OF SUPER BUU BUT NOT KID BUU!” Goku said that if him and vegeta went out “Like this” they would be killed, Goku was referring to the weaker state that both him and Vegeta were in due to being forcefully shrunk in size. It was stated in Daizenshuu 10 that Goku and Vegeta were lowered to 1/100th of their true strength and it was stated in Daizenshuu 7 that Vegito is the only character that can’t be weakened by being shrunk. To say that Goku knew he would return to his original size would require more evidence considering that there is no indication that he had such knowledge. “SUPER BUU IS A FUSION” Buu’s absorption’s are not linear as he they can also make him weaker, Fat Buu is a fusion yet he was getting his ass beat by Kid Buu. Your point? Now that I’ve established Kid Buu being greater than Super Buu. I’ll explain Buuhan. On numerous occasions, over and over, stated in numerous guides and said numerous times in the Anime. Kid Buu is the ultimate Majin and the strongest opponent yet. There’s hardly any statements for Buuhan being the strongest opponent in Z besides to 2 random ones which pale in comparison to the evidence supporting Kid Buu on being the strongest.
@@BasedKuuTooGourmet the anime says it all also goku didn't fight buutenks...he was running away LOL and it was filler too if you believe kidbuu is stronger..good for u buddy but anyone with half a brain will see that superbuu is the strongest version anyway I am done arguing with this stupid ass debate have a nice day.
16:26 Where did this "majority" even come from? There's only one confirmed case of Buu becoming weaker by absorbing someone, and that's from absorbing the Grand Supreme Kai. Every other time we see Buu absorb someone, he becomes stronger. Super Buu is stronger than Buu, Buutenks is stronger than Super Buu, and Buuhan is stronger than Buutenks. All Kibito Kai says is that Buu's power was reduced by obtaining a *heart* from absorbing the Grand Supreme Kai. He doesn't gain a "heart" by absorbing Gohan or Gotenks or anyone else, nor do we know just how much weaker Buu is by absorbing the South Supreme Kai (is it half of his power? a tiny fraction? this nerf could've been neutralized when Evil Buu ate Majin Buu for all we know), so how is this proof that "as a matter of fact, a majority of them made him weaker"? That's just disingenuous.
@@afro025 what's disingenuous is you nitpicking my point and the pieces of evidence on screen bc NO. Kid Buu absorbed 2 kais both affected him. South Supreme Kai made him both stronger but also gave him a piece of his soul which made him weaker, then the Lord of Lords got absorbed and it made him MUCH weaker and changed him into a COMPLETELY different entity. that's a majority. no absorption of the Z fighters drastically changed Buu. just made him stronger.
@@afro025 you also didn't prove the nerf would be a "tiny fraction" and seeing as how he goes from being inferior to SSJ3 Goku until he absorbs gotenks to completely overpowering him and only allowing him to attack as kid buu, the nerf was pretty big.
@@hystor1c I didn't nitpick anything, that's literally your entire argument for why you think Buuhan absorbing characters like Gohan and Gotenks doesn't make him stronger than Kid Buu. And, no, that's wrong. The South Supreme Kai didn't make Buu turn into fat Buu like you claim in the video, that's just objectively wrong (I too made that mistake, which is why I edited the comment to fix it, but I should've double checked instead of listening to what you said in the video). In chapter 508 of the Dragon Ball manga, Kibito Kai says that absorbing the South Supreme Kai made him Super Buu, while absorbing the Grand Supreme Kai made him Fat Buu. They never once say that the South Supreme Kai made him any weaker, it's just the Grand Supreme Kai. So, no, that isn't a majority, that's a *minority.* Only ONE character Buu absorbed made him weaker, while everyone else, South Supreme Kai, Piccolo, Gotenks, and Gohan, all made him stronger. Reread my comment, because I never claimed the nerf was a "tiny fraction", I only questioned if it was. We literally don't know how big or small the nerf was, nor do we know when that nerf was neutralized. So using that as proof to argue that Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan is disingenuous, we don't have enough information to make such a claim. If you want to continue this, then do it on discord. I sent a friend request.
Kid Buu actually shouldn't have died to the spirit bomb, not with how the lore handles him, and Shin not being stronger than any of the Z-Fighters never made sense, not with how strong a Supreme Kai can get.
The correct tier list goes as follows Ssj vegito >> base vegito >= buuhan >> buutenks >> ultimate gohan >> ssj3 Gotenks ~ base super buu >>> Ssj3 goku ~ kid buu If u disagree with this u need to go back and watch / read dragonball
Buuhan would slaughter kid buu and I’d debate /argue with anybody about this in 2024 weeks shouldn’t still even be talking about kid buu be buuhan it’s not even close. Kid buu arguably couldn’t even beat base super buu and it’s ALOT of evidence for that also. Goku was literally scared of base super buu in the manga. And goku implies several times he does not want too fight super buu in the anime without some kind of fusion with wither vegeta or gohan. Buutenks also says he’s the strongest majin of all time and he knows about kid buu. Where as goku doesn’t want too fight super buu at all without fusion he’s perfectly confident against kid buu
Buuhan doesn’t even scale to Vegito, he’s some nebulous level above SS3 Goku who would get washed by Kid Buu. Goku was only worried about Super Buu due to be shrunk inside of him and being drastically weakened. Buutenks is a cocky bastard and doesn’t display any memories of Kid Buu, and he contradicts a future statement after he absorbs Gohan. Goku was overconfident and admits it was a mistake to fight Kid Buu, Kid Buu was toying with them the whole fight and Vegeta says they were fighting on a whole different league compared to what came before. Kid Buu negs
@@BasedKuuTooGourmet …… cope cope buu obviously remembers kid buu saying just because he’s cocky that means literally nothing prove he didn’t remember kid buus power ? Oh that’s right you can’t. And goku was not just worried because he was small where did you get that from 🤣wtf goku literally says even though he’s back too normal if we go back out we won’t have a chance the only reason they were small is because they were in buus body again this is why I don’t take these arguments seriously their so random and dumb you see the mental gymnastics your trying too pull rn 😂. And buuhan is way above ss3 goku it’s not even remotely close and ss3 goku and kid buu are relative but buu would just outlast him with regen ..
@@cameronscott2938 It’s certified you didn’t watch the videos, or any of the videos covering this topic on this channel bro. It’s alright though I won’t argue with you forever because I don’t find paint drying too satisfying. I accept your concession, gg lil bro🙏🏾🙏🏾😂
@SuperiorGokuGT lmao all those time narrator says only ONE time of book being best Or strongest but that doesn't equate to narrative watch the boo saga without thinking and see if you still come up with kid boo being stronger without external media
@@benevolence2926 No it doesn't. It just means Kid Buu is the most unhinged. Super Buu is just as strong if not stronger than Kid Buu. Super Buu wasn't as unhinged. They was able to get Super Buu to wait a long time for Gotenks to get ready, Kid Buu isn't like that at all he appears and destroys the earth without playing around. That's what they mean by most dangerous. Goku frame 1 did not want to fight Super Buu without fusing, but with Kid Buu he's playing rock paper scissors with Vegeta to see who will fight him 1 on 1. If Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu let alone Buuhan they would have taken Kid Buu more seriously.
Okay, I'm just gonna take a big shot at that "Super Boo doesn't remember being Kid Boo" thing since that's the most glaring part: 8:30 Why is Piccolo considered a viable source on Kid Boo, someone he doesn't even know about? He has no reason to be aware of any form of Boo besides the Innocent, Pure Evil, and Super incarnations at that point. 8:50 Super Boo has no reason to mention or bring up Kid Boo's foes; they're either dead, absorbed, or not relevant to his fights. 9:10 Super Boo very clearly makes a distinction between Kid Boo and his other forms; he claims that Innocent Boo was him, as in his statement about fighting Gotenks, but he doesn't group Kid Boo in that same category. I don't know if he makes that note about Innocent Boo in Japanese, but I'm pretty sure he does indeed say that Kid Boo would be different. 9:31 I would be inclined to believe that Gotenks Boo was being arrogant if we actually saw his personality show more of Gotenks. Boo post-absorbing Piccolo just seems to be smarter Boo/Cell 2.0. Boo shows basically none of Gotenks's traits; no childish mannerisms, not even his Japanese speech style (His speech style doesn't even take from any of his components, showing just how unoriginal of a villain he became). Also, wasn't the statement about Kid Boo being the most formidable in the Moro arc, where he was definitely *not* the strongest enemy of Goku's?
1. The same reason whis considered him reliable and smart when he stated the attributes of god ki, even though he never encountered it. You are grasping at straws that arent there. The point of the statement is what happens when you become a beast of destruction, I never said he was talking about kid buu directly. 2. This is a blatant lie as Shin was present and even tried to intervene in the fights with fat buu and he never mentioned knowledge of knowing him. 3. Again another lie. Super Buu doesnt ever refer to kid buu. He simply says not himself. Not himself refers to loss of identity. He knows that fat buu made him. That doesn't prove he knows what will happen once he is removed and that's the point. All he knows is that he wont be himself and again that can be anything to him. 4. Again this is another lie. but even if it wasnt this doesnt defeat my point. I say this because we know that buu doesnt show all traits of the person he absorbed. He shows piccolo's smarts but not his brooding attitude or serious mindset. He has gohan's power and intelligence but doesnt let his guard down or sell fights due to new power like gohan did. Also yes buutenks does have enhanced cockiness and thats shown to us. Yea bro this was bad
DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ Episode 278 20min59sec mark Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!" Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴ DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form." " *But But But tHeY cHoSe To fUsE aGaInSt Buuhan!* " (Even though Vegeta was very reluctant to do so mind you) *SSJ3 Goku fights Kid Buu* ↓↓↓ DBZ Episode 277 Sub " Maybe I've been trying too much to look cool. I thought things would go better than this!" DBZ Kai episode 160 "Shoot! Maybe ive been playing things too cool! I thought i could handle it better than this" DB Chapter 510 pg 12 Goku - "He'd be no problem if we used the potara! Guess I was a bit too cocky...I thought this would work!" Interviewer: In several parts of Dragon Ball, *THE MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER IS ACTUALLY THE SMALLEST, CUTEST, AND YOUNGEST LOOKING* For example young Goku, or Freeza, and Majin Boo in their FINAL TRANSFORMATIONS." Akira Toriyama: *I wanted to go against the expectations that the strong ones always get stronger and bigger*
@@hystor1c "what happens when you become a beast of destruction" So a "beast of destruction" is a universal category that accurately describes every evil being? I fail to see why Piccolo would be able to exactly understand Boo's condition. It doesn't matter if he has god ki, since Kami had an understanding of god ki, as we saw with Piccolo's interaction with Shin. Of course he would know about that. We can't say the same for Boo's properties. "This is a blatant lie as Shin was present and even tried to intervene in the fights with fat buu" I would argue that Innocent Boo would be a different case since the Dai-Kaioshin is holding him back more, but I guess that was never stated anywhere. We are simply forced to assume that Super Boo has memories of Kid Boo, while his previous incarnation does not. "Super Buu doesnt ever refer to kid buu. He simply says not himself." If Super Boo had no idea what Kid Boo was, why would he have any reason to fear the removal of Innocent Boo? Remember, he was originally the Pure Evil Boo, who turned into Super Boo after absorbing his good half. If he didn't know about Kid Boo, he would have assumed he'd just turn into Pure Evil Boo, whom he definitely considers to be himself. "Also yes buutenks does have enhanced cockiness and thats shown to us." Could you give an example? "I say this because we know that buu doesnt show all traits of the person he absorbed." So are you conceding my point? Also, I'm going to be blunt, but you probably shouldn't call people liars and idiots simply for disagreeing with you.
Then why not bring Gohan to Supreme Kai world instead of using the spirit bomb if he could kill Kid Buu so easily? They had already wished to revive everyone, use the next wish to bring Gohan there to mop the floor. I think it’s more likely Kid Buu = Ultimate Gohan, but would win due to Buu’s stamina being so high.
At 1:55 I do have one thing that may change this argument. You say in the manga base vegito>>>buuhan. However the claims you made especially the statements from vegito don’t really specifiy that he overdid it. Also old Kai was referring to the fact that Goku and gohan would not need to be ssj as gohan was stronger than at least vegeta
Do dragon ball fans not consider that if kid buu was that much weaker than ult gohan, goku wouldve just teleported him to kid buu to finish him? Why would there be an emphasis of the spirit bomb needing to kill buu if ult gohan is enough? Kid buu even pushed the same spirit bomb.
@@lordraiden7397 because gohan wasn't at fp he was being revived like only minutes after his death in which he was considered unable to fight boo in the state (super boo)
@@ohhellwhereami2574It was never established that being revived significantly nerfs your power. Vegeta nor Goku making a comments on Vegeta needing to eat a senzu bean or anything to recover his power after he revived for example. Gohan just wasn't strong enough to defeat Kid Buu in general
@ItsB1998 what??? This is what lower attention span does to fckers Goku himself * said around kid boo fight that being revived didn't restore proud pince energy so should be the same case for Gohan as before being killed he was weak enough to not even being awake or fight super boo after their escape
DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ Episode 278 20min59sec mark Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!" Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴ DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form." " *But But But tHeY cHoSe To fUsE aGaInSt Buuhan!* " (Even though Vegeta was very reluctant to do so mind you) *SSJ3 Goku fights Kid Buu* ↓↓↓ DBZ Episode 277 Sub " Maybe I've been trying too much to look cool. I thought things would go better than this!" DBZ Kai episode 160 "Shoot! Maybe ive been playing things too cool! I thought i could handle it better than this" DB Chapter 510 pg 12 Goku - "He'd be no problem if we used the potara! Guess I was a bit too cocky...I thought this would work!" Interviewer: In several parts of Dragon Ball, *THE MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER IS ACTUALLY THE SMALLEST, CUTEST, AND YOUNGEST LOOKING* For example young Goku, or Freeza, and Majin Boo in their FINAL TRANSFORMATIONS." Akira Toriyama: *I wanted to go against the expectations that the strong ones always get stronger and bigger*
A lying tongue is considered a sin fam. And not that I'm planning on doing it, (cause I'm not a petty nitpicking human being) but you could genuinely be reported for spreading misinformation across the internet, including here.😭
@@mrsandman1953 the only people who will find it serious are bums who spend their day powerscaling fictional characters instead of being productive in their lives
The Most Damaging Piece of Evidence u forgot to mention in favor of Kid Buu Being The Strongest, is this.. The Spirit Bomb. Goku collected “ki” energy from all the Z fighters. SSJ3 Gotenks & Gohan included. Goku stated, verbatim “Is this all there is? It’s not Strong enough to beat Buu!!!” What do we have here? Gotenks & Gohan’s “ki” energy did absolutely nothin, to make the Genki-Dama Stronger than Kid Buu. This facilitates why Vegeta turned down Goku’s request to bring the boys. Vegeta felt all of their power levels from Otherworld. In this moment, determined SSJ3 Goku is far Stronger than both SSJ3 Gotenks & Base Form Gohan Inner Potential Unlocked. That’s it, right there. Goku does not scale to Kid Buu, Buuhan & Buutenks. All of them are far beyond Goku. Kid Buu loves to fight. Evidence that shows Kid Buu greatly altering his power level is based on his fight with SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Majin Vegeta, Fat Buu & Mr. Satan. Kid Buu was heavily suppressed when he fought all of them, at different power levels. Also, I wanted to correct u on tidbit. When it came to The Frieza Arc. The Spirit Bomb (72 Mill or 75 Mill) was Stronger than Final Form Frieza 50% 60 Mill. The Spirit Bomb tells Goku when it is more Powerful than his Opponent. The only reason why Frieza survived is bcuz he was hiding far more power. Being suppressed is what saved Frieza. If all Final Form Frieza had was 60 Million. He would’ve died on the spot. He himself thought he was dead. If not for his inner power 120 million.. higher than The Spirit Bomb 72 mill or 75 mill. Essentially Frieza lucked out. Exceptionally Great Vid!!! Kid Buu For Da Win!!!
Not even the spirit bomb should kill Kid Buu, the Supreme Kais by lore should have been way above the Z-Fighters at this point, the best that can said about Kid Buu dying to it is how like Gohan, they got out of shape, with Kid Buu resting for a long time, but was way stronger back then.
@arkfounder7056 Nope, it is told in the back story connecting in real time with Buu Arc events. The Supreme Kai was consistently baffled and surprised at how strong the Saiyan race is. This highlights that out of all the members of his race, from Strongest to Weakest, the Kaioshin are nothing compared to the Power Level of all The Z fighters who fought in The Cell Games. Shin constantly underestimated them but overestimated their opponents, and was proven wrong a plethora of times. So whenever one of the Z fighters specifically one of the Saiyans defeated one of the wizards minions. And they were extremely powerful. They were nothing compared to The Saiyans. This shocked and confused both The Kaioshin, The Wizard, and his Majin minions. Who were Powerful in their own right. But are ants compared to The Saiyan Z fighters. Unlike other race of Beings, The Kaioshin don’t digress in power even if they stop training. Bcuz they have Divine “ki”. This must be the case bcuz we never see any of the 12 G.O.D. train to get Stronger. Bcuz they are connected, Kaioshin to God Of Destruction, this inherent ability in Kaioshin must extend to The 12 G.O.D. God “ki” aka Divine “ki” is a special type of “ki” energy that all Divine Beings posses, it is exceptionally beyond mortal “ki” energy. The only person The supreme Kai was stronger than is Final Form Frieza from The Frieza Arc. This is not impressive To the Z fighters. Why? All of The Z fighters except Master Roshi & Chaotzu, are Eons Stronger than F.F.F & Super Saiyan Goku on Namek. This is narratively true when Krillin said about The Supreme Kai’s Power Level.. “Your not talkin about him are you? Even I could beat him.” Then he proceeded to laugh. Piccolo had the utmost respect for the supreme Kai because he could sense the divine power within him, as well as Shin’s Divine Hierarchy. This is due to the memories of Kami, within Piccolo. Piccolo is not marveling at Shin’s power level, he was shocked and surprised because he was in the presence of a Divine Being. In Daima, we learn Namekians are in fact Demons. Who else would be able to better sense the presence of a divine being? Kami was a Divine Demon. Piccolo inherited that divinity when he absorbed Kami. Anytime Krillin, Yamcha or Tienshinhan state somebody is weak. That is an understatement, because there are not many characters, currently, who can beat them. Since The supreme Kai was always the weakest, and we can say he scales to or is greater than Final Form Frieza and SSJ Goku on Namek. For the argument or at least for this conversation we’re going to place the supreme Kai stronger than Super Saiyan Goku on Namek. But still in the same realm of power. The Hundred Millions Place Value. So placing him anywhere between the range of 300 Million - 900 million is suitable. What about The rest of The Kaioshin? The weakest Androids, No 19. & No.20 (Dr. Gero) are Massively Stronger than Mecha Frieza. The Cell Arc starts the Androids win the High Tier Hundred Millions Place Value to The Ones, Billions Place Value. The Rest of The Kaioshin easily to or lesser than Androids 17 & 18 in the Cell Arc. Even Android 16. Who scales to an upgraded Imperfect Cell. Once we go into Semi-Perfect Cell territory. That is beyond all The Kaioshin’s Power. Remember, The Original & Most Powerful Majin Buu always suppressed his Power Level vs Fighters he scaled far beyond. We see this happen with Goku, Vegeta, Fat Buu & Mr. Satan. All of em have different power levels. Kid Buu greatly suppressed himself to their levels. Even if he was just a bit Stronger. The point is Kid Buu heavily suppressed himself to or around their power level.. But why? Being The Most Pure Evil Buu. Kid Buu is identical to Goku. He loves to fight. Goku doesn’t take pride in outright beating opponents he knows he’s Stronger than. Goku Loves the experience of fighting. Kid Buu shares this same Love for fighting. Kid Buu does it in a twisted way.. He lowers his power level just enough, to show his opponent, than he himself was always Stronger. He wants to drive it into his opponent, that they are an anti compared to them. He does this by givin them false hope that they can beat him. Then after they realize, they never stood a chance. He goes in for the kill. Kid Buu vs Vegeta & Mr. Satan is the perfect example. The Spirit Bomb/ Genki-Dama is a Godly Technique that communicates with the user when the “ki” ball or “ki” sphere is Stronger than the opponent. Good energy can communicate with good energy. Once that happens, Goku then launches the attack at said opponent. King Kai warned Goku not to collect more “ki” energy than necessary to defeat his opponent. 1) So Goku would not destroy the planet he is on in the process. 2) so Goku would not die in his own attack. When it comes to any villain in DBZ. The Power/ Strength of the “ki” wave or sphere is not always connected to the size of it. To Be Stronger than the opponent. By your logic Kid Buu is Stronger than all “ki” energy in existence on Earth, the entire universe and in Otherworld. That’s just not true. He’d be a God of Destruction at that point. We know they can destroy the universe as easily as The Z fighters could destroy planets when they were far weaker. He simpy chooses not to. Why? Kid Buu loves to fight. His entire life, he has been searching for a challenge. Kid Buu was afraid when Goku completed The Spirit Bomb. Showcasing fear is evident Kid Buu could be evaporated by that Massive Level of “ki.” Kid Buu was so Strong he could push it back. This is bcuz Goku literally had no Power to Push back. Goku is Pure Good, therefore his connection to the Spirit Bomb is higher than Kid Buu. Kid Buu has Evil “ki”, him pushing back the Spirit Bomb should not be possible bcuz it is evil “ki” vs good “ki”. Once Goku got his Power replenished, he was able to regain his special connection to the Genki-Dama and destroy Kid Buu.
Im late gang but my reason for why buuhan solos kid boo in power: 1) Buuhan >super buu meta Super buu casually folded ssj 2 goku and vegeta to point he thinks they have no energy left , vegeta even states in shock he should have fused when he sees super buu from "inside " Negating any argument regarding that he was scared to face him out which isn't the case, doesn't make same fuss about kid boo Goku also says they can't beat him, clearance this is before super buu said they are small as fly here dampening thier power, ao goku wasn't aware about it 2) kid boo being "ichibai yakkai" Meta Which can mean top troublesome, he's stated as this both by narrator and kais both qhen he's first introduced implying he's actually supposed to be troublemsome from start, on later there's only one statement by narrator that may contradict this which is kid boo is most powerful /best enemy but regarding how much early emphasis is put onto his dangerous behavior ut might be a misleading narration as it would contradict itself, there's also kid boo being stated stronger than boo but y'all gotta remember this is during kid boo vs good boo flashack narration mostly declaring kid boo superior over good boo as a recap nothing else It's not most tough meta but it has its merit 3) Kid boo spirit bomb fearing early spirit bomb meta Kid boo actually reacts to early SB in anger and frustation which is powered up by gohan i might add now you can say that just shows that he is slightly intimate by gohan not really overclass *BUTT* goku did say about newly reborn vegeta that he still hasn't recovered energy after being revived which confirms that being revived doesn't really refill energy it only changes your soul location to exist on mortal realm we don't know how much it dampen his power but he was unable to go into ssj state so 50× or higher debuff makes sense which would applyfor gohan as well bear in mind that gohan dying is only a few minutes apart from kid boo fight so realistically he shouldn't have heal by now because we even see goten and trunks who should be more healthy or same as gohan can't go ssj or even fuse to provide fusion genki certainly soldifiying my thesis that gohan is indeed nerfed we can even say he wasn't in ultimate form as his hair seem to be a lot more unstick to each other, so inhindsight gohan donted energy while weakened was enough to outrage and make boo fear to not intervene in the SB directly weaker gohan by the way might even be base..... 4) goku suggests db usagae is early meta Goku suggest db usage a little too early despite being drained to his limit otherwise may be his intention to bring back gohan with restored power to fight boo now counter argument can be about he wants to recharge maybe himself but that would be contradictory itself since goku never seem to use db for himself till vegeta wishing for goku humse it would have crosses his mind but didn't so it's definitely gohan he's talking about since they cant fuse anymore 5) In verse contradiction meta (my final might update) Buuhan clearly remembers he doesn't have sentience when good boo is removed so he to some degree is awarw about kai absorption so if can't gauge his (kid boo) power than he can at least measure kai power boo fought who even forced boo into substituting in order to absorb them , so his being strongest boo makes sense otherwise how it would make sense that he's saying the obvious like we know boo gets stronger through absorption Also supreme kai mention his power was reduces in order to contain him with that addition of "heart " Of kai which may to some degree confirm previously to that he was getting stronger only got softer through good kai absorption which essentially made him weaker so power reduction really doesn't work to define the obvious kid boo>all boo meta Old kai mumbling that with combined effort of goku and vegeta they can beat kid boo he has seen ssj 3 so valid to some degree and he's one to state kid boo powers so unlike for buuhan he thinks they can probably best him without fusion (this anime only but)
You Kid Buu fanboys can make a million videos explaining why you think he's stronger than Buuhan (even base Super Buu for that matter) and it still wouldn't convince me. 🤣🤣🤣And Vegito never stated he didn't need SSJ against Buu either.. no where on that scan did he say that. Even if you wanna go by the anime, Buuhan is much stronger than his manga counterpart due to that temper tantrum he threw when SSJ Vegito was whooping his ass. The ladder had to actually TRY in order to stop the dimensions from collapsing. Kid Buu never performed such a feat. Let's also not act like Buutenks didn't tell Gohan he was "the strongest majin born".
nga heard the first 30 secs of the vid and just ran to the comments. he literally says he thought he would be more powerful hence why he turned super saiyan BUT HE WAS WRONG. implying he didn't need it. ur also nitpicking and skipping over elder kai's confirmation. Vegito literally didn't need to try sped, watch the video. you see buuhan attack vegito with that power and vegito was effortlessly slamming still. As for "kid buu never performing such feat" he's stated to make the universe go poof. which implies all at once and sudden. So who scales higher? the guy who can wipe out the universe suddenly or the guy that needs a rage amp to destroy the universe piece by piece? ur pathetic either watch the video fully or debate me. discord is hystor1c.
Ok for starters, how would Super Buu be stronger than Kid Buu when he got molly whopped by Ultimate Gohan who is way weaker than Goku? Secondly, whether Its the anime or manga, Vegito didn't even need SSJ to rock Buuhan badly. Thirdly, the feat that you mentioned is a overtime chain reaction while it was preformed by him being EXTREMELY pissed off Meanwhile Kid Buu: Pushes back the Universal Spirit Bomb, implied that he's capable of blowing up the entire living world, making it gone in a poof if Goku loses against him, was even said that he'll destroy the Afterlife, threatens the Grand Kai's world which is calculated to be the equivalent to destroying the observable universe in octillions of times over, literally have a plethora of statements backing him up being the mightest one with Toriyama HIMSELF openly admits to this idea. Then when it couldn't be anymore clear- Koyama (the literal chief screen writer of the show) repeated himself NUMEOUS TIMES for this being the case all along. Its not about how many that one has absorbed. Its about which character is the most evil. THAT'S the true source of their power. Otherwise Vegeta would've never point out how Buu's power was actually increasing instead of decreasing after losing all the Z fighters in his body. Now why is that? Well there's another statement outside of anime & manga material that only further supports this (forgot where its from) But bear in mind that we're talking about demonic beings. Just have to put 2 n 2 together 👍🏼
Oh, and not to mention "the strongest majin born" wouldn't be in reference to Kid Buu because 1. He doesn't have memory of him 2. This is coming from the same person who has two of the most arrogant saiyans with that being Gotenks & Gohan. Buuhan was pretty arrogant against Vegito and it hasn't gotten him anywhere. The series emphazied on this problem
I saw your argument with someone and you said that Goku and vegeta still got zenkais throughout the buu saga. After fusion, and after being brought to life. How would this make sense when during the cell saga it is made abundantly clear that a lot of the sayians don’t recieve that boost in power after getting beat tf up. This is shown with super vegeta vs cell. Trunks vs cell. Some other moments. But it doesn’t make sense to bring zenkais into this
THANK YOU!!! I’m so glad that there are dragon ball fans out there who have sense. Buuhan fans only think he is the strongest because they’re Gohan fanboys who believe ultimate gohan was the strongest thing ever. I myself have shown people the same evidence you have and they literally ignore it, double down, or try to hide behind the manga as if it negates everything. But when I show scans of Kid Buu’s power was increasing beyond what it was when he was Buuhan, they claim I’m taking it out of context or some other nonsense. I’ve actually seen these people try and deny author statements, attack Toriyama, and say DBS is non-canon because it called Goku and Kid Buu the strongest. It’s actually fascinating the mental gymnastics Buuhan fans suffer from. even the fact that the authors and writers of the show saying Kid Buu is the strongest is not enough for them is insane.
@@SuperiorGokuGT Gohan was strongest thing ever because of his contribution in boo, vegito base couldn't finish him off Nobody attacked Toriyama what?????????????????????? Dbs non canon what?????
When Goku and Vegeta talked about using dragon balls, Goku thought WITH RELIEF they will let Gohan fight and it was said as if Gohan could do it easily. Saiyan duo didn't decide to fight Kid Buu themselves because it was last resort, no, they were fighting for themselves, to prove themselves, test their abilities and they KNEW their levels of power was approximate to Kid Buu's. Unlike Buuhan with whom they would NOT stand a chance without fusion.
@@metal87power also gohan was still weakened as he died only few minutes prior to kid boo fight which goku backs up that being revive doesn't restore energy So gohan was at his weakest
His is pretty much strictly anime only kid buu and buuhan. Nothing said really applies to the manga as Gohan wasn't cocky in the manga and he no diffed Super Buu but Gotenks cooked Every one. Also the kid buu kills everyone because Gohan already died when earth was destroyed. Manga and Toriyama interpretation has Gohan and Buuhan as the strongest while Anime heavily implies the reverse
Koyama went back on that statement and said he was referring to the transformations 😂 and you’re a hypocrite; Koyama also stated Kid Buu was the strongest. Hystor1c sent it in the video.
Kid buu is stronger people cry about it people goku got a huge zenkai boost after splitimg from vegeta also inside buus body goku in just ssj was fighting and overwelming ultimate gohan the same ultimate gohan who was stated as strong as he was pre absorbed also kid buu was threatening the kai planet which was heaven with a simple ki blast the samw heaven which was as large as the living universe where it needed a buuhan showting and gettimg very angry and exerting actual effort to do it overtime
Nah disagree ,This is an excellent video. Although I completely disagree with the points made, it presents the best argument I’ve heard so far for why Kid Buu could be considered stronger than Buuhan.
There are two arguments worth mentioning in Kid Buu's favor as well Where Super Buu literally told Vegeta when he saw him about to separate the fat Buu from him that if he separated the fat Buu from him he would not remain the same Which means Super Buu does not see Kid Buu as the same person as him Which means all of Super Buu's statements that he is in his strongest state do not include Kid Buu + There is a guidebook saying that Bohan is the strongest Majin Buu The guidebook's name is Forever Guide But this is an argument against Bohan Because one of the arguments of Bohan fans is that Bohan is not Majin Buu but a fusion of several people which means that the anime's statements about Kid Buu being the strongest Majin Buu do not include Bohan But thanks to this statement from the guidebook it was confirmed that Bohan is Majin Buu As for Bohan being the strongest Majin Buu, this was only at that time because Kid Buu appeared after him and took the title from him in the anime
I agree in the anime base vegito>buuhan but i dont think he would be able to stop buuhan's vice shout in base as he needed to power up further in ssj to stop it ill go on about the manga Ssj vegito absolutely demolishes buuhan but ssj is a big 50x on base and i didnt find the page where vegito said he wouldn't need ssj to defeat buuhan so i'd put base vegito~buuhan in the manga Ssj3 goku and kid buu were fighting evenly in the manga what kid buu had mostly over goku was stamina even if kid is stronger than goku he is not astronomically stronger than him when goku says kid buu is stronfer than they thought vegeta reassures goku he is too, not putting kid buu in a whole different level than kid buu and he can sense ki they also both agree that if goku built his ki as a ssj3 he would obliterate kid buu in an instant but goku could not do that during the fight so he also was not at full power i dont follow guides much as they contradict each other alot and if goku was dead not alive his chances of defeating kid buu would be way higher but i agree its very stupid to say kid buu cannot hold back. Super buu does remember kid buu,he states that if fat buu is taken out he wont be himself anymore he knew fat buu wasn't original buu and he knew there was someone crazy and mindless as the original buu which is kid buu he literally foreshadows him its not just anything this part is up for speculation but in the narrative he foreshadows kid buu..also yes gotenks is very cocky and buutenks inherited that cockiness but what he also inherited are piccolo's brains which play as much as a part as gotenks did as he fights stratigically and plays mind games with gohan he becomes an intelligent villain like cell piccolo's intelligence would not have buutenks state that he was mightiest majin past present future if he wasn't Also yes size does weaken you but goku is shown to be surprised goten trunks piccolo and gohan are back to normal because they were absorbed by buu he dosent say him or vegeta and if in goku's mind it would be like that then he would think him and vegeta would have to get dragon balls to return back to normal size which he shows little to no worry of also if u go by the scaling of the beginning of buu saga Goku left the whole earth in the hands of a pre rosat ssj or maybe even hypothetical ss2 gotenks to defeat fat buu which if goku tried himself he would end up like vegeta and gohan then gotenks gets further stronger and super buu is on par with a ss3 gotenks also super buu's ki was sensed across the universe just like ss3 goku when goku said kid buu would kill everyone if hercule and dende hadnt been there its because when ur back to life ur ki isnt fully restored also gohan and the others were unconscious and were very weak had they been there they wouldn't have enough strength to fight kid buu and when you said goku is dissapointed at the fact gohan can take buucolo is ur interpretation my intepreration is that it was originally gohan's fight and goku would help after fusing with gohan but after buutenks defused goku would have no longer reason to help which is why he goes back to base and he does not include himself that he could beat super buucolo because he couldnt Koyama stated that super buu gohan absorbed was the strongest aswell he said one of his statements was a mistake which i think was the kid buu one also kid buu is stated as strongest enemy as majin buu they are not like us fans that differentiate them as kid buu,buuhan buutenks they only think of them as majin buu and the reason goku did not reincarnate uub with strength of buuhan is because he has no respects for buuhan's strength buuhan is a fusion and stole his son's power he isnt gonna respect that super buu is also a fusion he isnt gonna respect that too he respects kid buu the most and this is the reason he fights him alone is because kid buu is unfused and fights with his own power which is what goku respects even with moro he didn't respect his strength because he stole it and goku asked if he trained for a day but he didn't which goku was dissappointed its similar to buuhan and kid buu I think the strongest buu is how u interpret and i strongly believe buutenks would defeat both ss3 goku and ult gohan together as elder kai has no reason to overstimate him and nothing says otherwise.
You really don't need to say much...Buuhan absorbed people and got stronger, kid buu is the result of loosing all he absorbed, he literally would get weaker if he looses his absorbed strength. It's commen sense
Here we go again, using these garbage and classic arguments 💀 Kid Buu is stated to have gotten stronger instead of weaker, and the absorptions were outright stated to have been making him weaker. Kai Debuff > Saiyan Buffs “Common sense” so the pink bubblegum monster who can turn you into candy, shoot lasers out of his hands, fly in the sky, and rip pieces of gum out of his body needs conventional logic? 😂 that’s an argument from incredulity
There is not a single line of dialogue via the anime or manga that states the reason they can’t beat super buu is because of there size . To take what is said ina guide book , which by the way no guide book gives an official amount of how much weaker they’re . .and to extrapolate that to Goku and vegeta being on the level of super buu is an insane take . Pure fan speculation.
Buuhan stans only argument is Goku saying he was scared of fighting super buu when 1) Goku had no idea if he would return back to his original size after leaving buu’s body 2) Goku was underestimating himself severely 😂 The most likely answer is (1) because Goku DE-TRANSFORM in front of buucollo, who is STRONGER than super buu. He also was confident that he was capable of holding off buutenks long enough for gohan to pick up that damn earring but he is suddenly scared of facing super buu alone???
Super buu is still more powerful than ssj3 goku. That's why when buu changes back from gohan absorbed to base super buu goku argues to vegeta that he's more powerful than both of them. But regardless the only point that anyone can make about kid buu being stronger is only in the anime, where some lines contradict other statements and feats. In the manga there is no grey area between buuhan and kid buu, and they make it clear that buuhan is superior, but in the anime they call kid buu the strongest in multiple lines. Maybe we can assume its to emphasize or put more tension towards the final villain of the season, since dbz does that a lot. But there are also a lot of plot holes because of this. Like you stated, Goku outright refuses to even fight with Buuhan, even going as far as to almost fuse with Satan, but when it comes to kid buu, he's a lot more confident on his own abilities and crushes his potara. If kid buu were to be stronger than buuhan, what would make goku act the way that he did? How would he attain the power equal or greater than a fusion in an hour or so? Did he learn some new technique or transformation? No, since this is in the same arc that cant be possible. Did he get a zenkai boost? No, him and vegeta weren't in near death situations and weren't gravely injured, and a zenkai boost giving someone more strength than a fusion is impossible. So considering these common questions, its like they showed us that buuhan is stronger but going off exact statements, one can assume in the anime that kid buu is stronger. It looks like to me a lot of confusion from the anime not really the fans
@ 1) Dragon book Z vol.7 calls kid buu the STRONGEST BUU 2) Toriyama interview about making his final and STRONGEST characters the smallest. Frieza was the strongest villain in namek Gohan was the strongest character in the cell saga Kid buu is the strongest in the buu saga 3) dragon ball super chapter 31 4) Anime statements 5) Dragon ball super chapter 1 summary of what has happened thus far. Again calling kid buu the STRONGEST MAJIN BUU 💀 The copium is insane but let’s keep going 6) The screen writer for dragon ball Z. 7) V-jump guide
buuhan is clearly stronger... if buu who absorbed gohan and ssj3 gotenks and piccolo and fat buu isnt strong enough to beat vegito ssj2 you think kid buu is beating super saiyan vegito are you mad...
I mentioned this on another video I can't recall right now, but Kid Buu being stronger than *any* upgraded version of Super Buu doesn't make any sense regardless of what the anime says. If Kid Buu was stronger than Buuhan, Goku and Vegeta would've had to fuse again or they would've been slaughtered. Unless of course, Goku and Vegeta got a gigantic boost in power out of nowhere to get close enough to this hypothetical roided out Kid Buu to avoid getting killed in one shot. Or, absorbing Gohan and the others made Buu weaker somehow even though we're shown and told explicitly that isn't the case. The reason Buuhan being stronger than Kid Buu works is because you don't have to twist the story into a pretzel to make it make sense. "Oh, Buu doesn't have the power of Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo, or the kids anymore. And Goku can duel him alone again. He's clearly weaker now."
@@ItsB1998 How? He wasn't continously breaking his limits T.O.P. style at the time and no training was done at any point. Hell, he didn't even really fight Buutenks so much as try to stall for a few seconds while Gohan was trying to fuse with him. If he *somehow* grew stronger from that little scrap (let alone enough to deal with the aforementioned hypothetical Kid Buu), then that section of the anime makes even less sense than I thought.
@@NineNovem Goku and Vegeta rose to potara level within minutes just from getting their ass beat by merged zamasu. It's not really good writing but that type of quicker growth is something that has been established for the Saiyans
@@ItsB1998 Yes, but that was a Super era concept. Hell, you could even say it originated in the Battle of Gods movie since Goku and Vegeta grew a lot in that movie for different reasons (Godly power and extreme anger respectively). But trying to apply similar rules to DBZ retroactively doesn't work very well because the rules were very different then. I mean, Gohan had just been healed by Dende just minutes before Goku showed up to try and fuse with him and Buu straight up told Gohan that his power didn't increase at all despite how badly he was beaten. Yeah, if we followed Super rules, he he could've gone Beast if Buu tried to provoke him (say he kills Piccolo in front of him rather than absorbing him). But under the old rules, that wouldn't be possible. Incidentally, that's also why Buu having Godly ki was so weird to people when it was first mentioned. It brings up a long list of annoying questions that we're probably never gonna get answers to. Could Kid Buu use godly ki? Was he using it the whole time or was it just sitting there doing nothing? Do the other Buus have it too? Why did Shin, a god, not mention something so important?
This is why i dont take Dragon Ball seriously when it comes to powerscaling. Anime contradicts the manga, vice versa & characters contradict themselves. Rip toriyama, but db can be a huge a mess. Buuhan > Kid buu tho. It narratively makes zero sense for Goku to go from having a panic attack and being so desperate that'd he be willing to fuse with Hercule against Buuhan, still being afraid to fight super buu, then trading blows with kid buu. How does losing all his absorptions, make Buu stronger? Everytime buu absorbed the z fighters, he gained more power. When gotenks defused inside him he lost power, when he lost the rest of the z fighters he lost power and reverted to super buu. See the theme? The only argument i could see is Kid buu possibly being stronger than regular super buu, but buuhan? No chance. Super buu clearly knew exactly what would happen if they ripped out fat buu. You're downplaying this like he is just stating he wouldn't be himself, but don't take into account how he knows that will happen. I believe its far more likely that he knows about Kid buu than you're downplaying
@@hystor1c Just a thought, why would a being have an ability that makes them weaker? It doesn't add up. You are clearly arguing for different sources that aren't consistent with each other and contradict each other constantly, making this video pointless.
@hystor1c I'm not debating in your live when you clearly don't even read so I'll break it down for you a step further. Answer this question for me. How can you know about something you have no knowledge of to begin with? If I tell a blind man that apples are red, how can he possibly know what "red" looks like? Apply this same logic to buu warning Goku & Vegeta what would happen if they ripped out fat buu and it's pretty damn obvious that he knows exactly what Kid buu is. Takes 3 seconds
How are they even going to say buuhan scales to vegito when vegito didn’t even know how powerful he was?? Vegito was shocked at the extent of his power and even then, said he didn’t even need ss against buuhan. Dragon ball fans can’t read 😭. PLS READ BUUHAN FANS. IF YOU READ/WATCH THE SHOW, you will understand.
The guy who went on a tantrum and nearly destroyed the universe is less chaotic and destructive than the insane maniac that ACTIVELY suppressed him to have fun??? Buuhan fans reaching for the stars 💀
Super Buu was on Earth for multiple chapters, and only thought to destroy the environment around him when he was at the _very cusp_ of losing to someone stronger than himself. Kid Buu was on Earth for less than one chapter and immediately boomed the planet. You really think Super Buu wasn't suppressing himself when he was literally _sleeping_ waiting for Gohan?
Who’s more dangerous, someone that was severely enraged and used that anger to try to destory the universe, or someone who was calm and collective while blowing up a planet at random for no reason soon as he comes into fruition? If ur gonna compare something make sure it’s equivalent lol. super buu was rational, u could reason with him ( picolo did), buuhan allowed goku to find a fusing partner etc. there’s none of that with kid buu he’s a mind less pure evil killing machine
Kid Buu was the most formidable because he was unpredictable, he had his own chaotic and whimsical style of fighting unlike more rational, but also redundant and easier to read Buu who had abilities of well-known fighters.
literally the entire arc was about how strong fusions were, and absorbtions were buus version of fusion, when buu became buuhan no unfused character would be able to beat him on their own, thats why goku had to fuse, he had no other option, when buu became kid buu, he wasnt fused anymore, so goku saw it as an equal fight and thought he could beat him. i think smaller channels like this guy have to be against the popular opinion, no matter how illogical it is, i understand the youtube game, but this is all still nonsense.
People that dont believe kid buu can hold back are weird, thats like saying him emoting on vegeta was a strategy and was important to their battle. The entire time he was messing around.
@@SuperKamiGuruutheir cope is worse when you use Vegeta as an example. Base Vegeta would be somewhat comparable to SSJ3 Goku if Kid Buu wasn’t holding back 😂 or SSJ2 Goku would be able to throw hands with his ascended form, SSJ3
That doesn't really mean anything. Super Buu literally had Fat Buu/Grand Supreme Kai inside his body and we don't even know if Kid Buu could use the Godly ki he had. Even if he was using it, he was still, at best, a bit stronger than Goku was.
@@PARZ90s you didn't debunk a word of what i said. that's cope gng. if you aren't going to challenge what i said in the vid please keep the coping sessions to yourself
@@hystor1c Your evidence in your video showed a screen shot that says "Goku's feelings are only understood by his fellow strongest." which in no way indicates that Goku is the strongest non-fused character. You're coping hard bro. There's already several videos debunking your points.
@ that's it? that isn't even the only piece of evidence i showed. but allow me to shit on this failed attempt at a "debunk" It is openly calling goku and vegeta the strongest as the only person to TRULY understand goku's sentiment and feelings is VEGETA. The scan is referring to Goku's feelings about fighting Kid Buu and that level of power. the only one to grasp this is vegeta
I kinda have my own little theory Goku before fusing with Vegeta was weaker then Ult Gohan, but after defusing he's able to fight and beat a perfect COPY of ult gohan while inside of Buuhan. If I remember correctly I think one of the guides says that the fake Gohan inside of Buu was just as strong as the real Gohan, and Goku after defusing beat him without ssj2 or ssj3, so I think Goku got a pretty big zenkai boost after unfusing. Therefore Kid Buu would've actually been way stronger then Buuhan to make this newly boosted Goku go to ssj3 when Ult Gohan didn't even make him go SSJ2. Please let me know if I messed up on this info. I'm going on memory, lolz
I like seeing buuhan vs kid buu debate because both parties rise interesting opinions, but this video is straight out shit and disrespectful and bias, one example is when undermining buuhan when he said that he is strongest majin ever and assume that he have no memory of kid buu, and taking guko saying kid buu is the strongest at face value and not taking into account that guko didn’t even fight buuhan and just gave up on fighting him, but that was not the worse part, the worse part is why guko didn’t wish for buuhan to be reincarnated instead of kid buu, like what? My guy this should be a healthy respectful debate , you are not gaining billion dollar if you won ☠️
i like comments explaining themselves but this shit was so ass. it's like your braincells gave up on you the minute you started typing. Him being the strongest majin ever PROVES NOTHING about Kid Buu as i demonstrated as he doesn't remember him. Secondly the strongest majin can simply encompass, dabura, vegeta, fat buu, skinny buu, base super buu. again you keep regurgitating bullshit you see on reddit. he put on a bluff for kid buu. He feared him as well. as for that last point you didn't even debunk anything or invalidate anything, you just bitched about it and moved on. this is sad. please stop talking
@ I didn’t even try to debunk anything nor did I try to debate, I am not wasting my time debating someone full of himself, I am just showing how butthurt and hard try you are, and this reply proved more how butthurt you are
I think despite kid boo being weaker i always imagine him just outlasting anybody we have seen he's most troublesome of his bunch, so realistically he would outlast buuhan if he plays around
DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ Episode 278 20min59sec mark Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!" Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴ DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form." " *But But But tHeY cHoSe To fUsE aGaInSt Buuhan!* " (Even though Vegeta was very reluctant to do so mind you) *SSJ3 Goku fights Kid Buu* ↓↓↓ DBZ Episode 277 Sub " Maybe I've been trying too much to look cool. I thought things would go better than this!" DBZ Kai episode 160 "Shoot! Maybe ive been playing things too cool! I thought i could handle it better than this" DB Chapter 510 pg 12 Goku - "He'd be no problem if we used the potara! Guess I was a bit too cocky...I thought this would work!" Interviewer: In several parts of Dragon Ball, *THE MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER IS ACTUALLY THE SMALLEST, CUTEST, AND YOUNGEST LOOKING* For example young Goku, or Freeza, and Majin Boo in their FINAL TRANSFORMATIONS." Akira Toriyama: *I wanted to go against the expectations that the strong ones always get stronger and bigger*
@@iamMildlyUpsetWithMostOfYouTub he can't tire like buuhan bruh plus he feeds off his enemy energy if they are stronger like in anime so buuhan has to be quick
Kid Buu>Buuhan has always been the case in EVERY version of the Buu saga. All the evidence shows this to being the case, Buuhan fans don't have any concrete evidence. W hystor1c.
@@juliomedina-pq2oi Retard, you're bringing up regurgitated arguments that were addressed in the video you're commenting under. Timestamp: 10:50 They were SHRUNKEN to
You can’t be serious.. their only like 1 statement that you could even halfway argue where their is literally a dozen or more statements and feats for buuhan as well as implications
Stop encouraging these guys. People can’t debunk evidence of Kid Buu being the strongest and the evidence put in front of them that he is. Shenron could not kill Vegeta and Nappa on their way to Earth because he wasn’t strong enough. Goku simply refused himself being brought to Earth after he defeated Frieza because he told Porunga “no” because he wants to train. The reason why Super Buu is afraid to not be “himself” despite his contradictory claim of being the strongest past, present, and future is because even though Kid Buu and Super Buu are of the same race, their nature, personality, and willpower, are totally different and the one with the strongest will would inherently overwhelm the other and take over. If Super Buu was stronger, smarter, and had better experience and knew of the history of his prior battles with the Kais, Kid Buu essence would not have taken him over the way that it did and Goku would not have needed the trump card the Spirit Bomb that had the energies of the Z fighters(Gohan, piccolo, goten, and trunks) and everything in the universe if Super Saiyan 3 was enough or come up with the option of fusing after being arrogant that he can do it using ssj3. And even if Super Buu was stronger hypothetically, it is not impossible for the main saiyan characters of the story to get stronger, I mean iron sharpens iron and their fictional characters with like super endurance, potential, and energy, I mean even Bardock had gotten stronger. Even warriors who are not saiyans, like Piccolo and Android 17 have been shown to get absurd boosts in a short period of time
1:57 nowhere does vegetto state that he doesn't need super saiyan, you're forgetting that ss is a 50 times multiplier, vegetto in base could very well be weaker than buuhan and much stronger in super saiyan, also in the anime buuhan flat out tells vegetto that hes still not stronger than him in base after which he transforms, he could've been winning not because of power but because of skill
In the anime Base Vegito was beating the brakes off of Buuhan and Buu could barely damage base Vegito dude. Buuhan Also says Super Saiyan Vegeta can't beat him, his statements are just pure egotism and worth nothing
please stop nitpicking my points. He's literally saying he expected more from buuhan clearly indicating he thought he needed that power and was wrong. Elder Kai also backs this up. You also forgot in the anime that Vegito literally says his base can kill buuhan. Buuhan can cope all he wants but you see his face and you see how afraid he was. So you could keep it up with the headcanon and assumptions
It’s clear that nowhere in the manga does Vegito claim he doesn’t need Super Saiyan to defeat Buuhan. As noted, Super Saiyan 1 provides a 50x power boost, but neither the manga nor the anime ever implies such a massive difference between Vegito and Buuhan. In fact, most fans agree that Gohan was only about 2-3x stronger than Cell, and he was far more dominant in his fight against Cell than Vegito was against Buuhan. To suggest Vegito was 5x stronger-let alone 50x-is simply unrealistic. The fight itself illustrates this; if Vegito truly had that level of superiority, he would have been able to effortlessly brush off Buuhan’s attacks, including those that threatened to tear the universe apart. Claiming that he was “holding back” stretches the argument to the point of wishful thinking.
@@hystor1c You’re 1000% wrong when elder Kai made that statement he was referring to goku and Gohan . Vegeta wasn’t even in the picture when that statement was made . You can’t take elder Kai statement and than use anime filler to back up your claim ,
@@hystor1c expecting more doesn't in any way mean that he could've taken care of him in base, again super saiyan is a 50 times multiplier, thats a huge boost, even if buu was twice as strong as base vegetto, in ss he could've made that statement, elder kai saying he wouldn't need super saiyan could just be his thoughts not facts, vegetto isn't the kind of person to transform unnecessarily, if he could humiliate but in base and beat him, he would've, in the manga he transforms into SS as soon as he fuses for a reason and also in the anime he NEVER says he could beat him in BASE, buu tells him he still can't say hes surpassed buu and smiles as well, hes not really afraid until later on and vegetto says let me show you then and transforms, thats a clear indication that he needed super saiyan to beat him. You're just making sentences mean what you want them to mean.
As we speak Kid Buu is 5v1’ing us, PLEASE BUUHAN SAVE US😭😭😭 WE CANT KEEP UP HES TOO STRONG, HES KINDA FOLDING US RN. FAT BUU IS LITERALLY BEING USED AS A CONDOM WE ARE NOT DOING ANY DAMAGE PLEASEEEEE😭😭🙏🙏🙏
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take a shot everytime you hear me say the word outright😭
Toriama said buuhan is stronger
@@StummyTicklePickle show me
@@StummyTicklePickle Where
@@StummyTicklePickle when did he said that?
@@StummyTicklePickle he NEVER said that😭😭🙏
Mfs talking about kid buu fighting equally with ssj3 goku, like Buu wasn’t emoting the whole time
Kid Buu doing a better job at Destruction than Beerus lol
Actually, Beerus role isn't mindless destruction of the universe, but keeping balance and eliminating unworthy planets. GofD tests mortals.
@metal87power I love not being able to make a joke without someone correcting me
Me watching this video made me rmb how clean the ssj2 goku vs kid buu fight is
I mean the core of this argument all actually comes down to goku vs gohan. Too many people believe gohan is stronger than ssj3 goku and in turn apply that to buuhan. In their mind how can buuhan be weaker than kid buu when gohan is stronger than goku who fought evenly with kid kid buu.
@@RedMoonLoop movie goku washes ultimatehan like a scrub but anime HIM han is goated
I never understood how this could be a long debate. It was stated so many times that kid Buu was on other levels from so many episodes like how many times does the show have to keep reminding you that he’s above all the other villains as well? 😂
Maybe because some DB watchers think that absorbing = getting stronger, which is valid, and the fact that if your not as detail oriented on quotes, it’s easy to misunderstand how Buuhan (who needed fusion to beat) is stronger than Kid Buu (who we see fight SSJ3)
^Im not saying Kid Buu < Buuhan, I’m saying that on a face value someone can make this assumption easily
Anime dubs has many contradictions so we can't take everything face value while the manga is blatantly obvious buuhans stronger
Because it's totally illogical. How did Goku get thousands of times stronger between his fight with Fat Buu and his fight with Kid Buu?
@@teezy786 I mean, fusion, fighting in general, narrative implications, the fact Goku wanted Gohan to handle Buu knowing he could full well beat Buu on his own, if it truly was a threat beyond him, being relaxed like that just for the future gen to handle it makes sense. But he only reacts when Gohan is absorbed, in which he needs fusion.
Goku has the same statements or more in favor for Kid Buu as he does for Buuhan, he wished he fused against Kid Buu, and it’s made clear that Kid Buu was toying with everyone.
@@Chris_HT So:
Ultimate Gohan was absolutely washing Super Buu. Buu then absorbs Gotenks and begins to beat the piss out of Gohan. He straight up says hes the strongest Majinn ever. Goku appears and is telling Gohan to fuse so they can beat Buutenks. He knew how strong he himself was and somehow you think he got thousands of times stronger with a zenkai of some kind?
Zenkais are only from near death experiences. Vegeta straight up said that the ones on Namek were unusual and even then Goku only went from 90k - 3mil. Are you saying Goku got a huge zenkai even bigger than the unusual ones on Namek? from just the fusion? If so why didn't Vegeta do better against Kid Buu if he got it too?
Goku also said he can't hold SSJ3 because he doesn't have a dead body so the fusion thing isn't the smoking gun you think it is. Goku has said multiple times SSJ3 drains his stamina too much. He was about to finish Buu before he dropped the form.
It's also stated and shown that fused characters at their base are much stronger than their individual parts. Gotenks base was about SSJ 2 easily. Gotenks SSJ 3 was stronger than Goku's SSJ 3. Same goes for Vegito.
Highly doubt ssj3 Gotenks was stronger than ssj3 Goku. Literally nothing implying that.
Goku(vs Fat Buu) is literally stated to be in the same level of Gohan Ultimate in V-Jump
My Arguments for Kid Buu
First , Kid Buu vs Super Buu.
In the manga and the manga data books, SS3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan were capable of utterly foddering Super Buu with ease, this meaning that Super Buu doesn’t scale to any of the new generation. (Excluding Goten and Trunks)
In the El Manga Legendario (A official Spanish guide for Dragon ball that was released by Toei) its stated and narratively implied that none of the Z Fighters could defeat Kid Buu one on one, saying that it would require teamwork to do so. And Teamwork in Dragon Ball makes the characters stronger as stated by Belmod.
In the Anime and Anime Databooks, Goku states that Kid Buu is the strongest person he’s ever fought. In the anime. Goku fought fake Warrior Gohan who was stated to be equal to the true Gohan by Goku himself. Goku also fought the likes of Buutenks and Buuhan.
Considering Gohan was bopping Super Buu in the anime and that Buutenks and Buuhan are logically above Super Buu as they are literally treated to be massive amps, it’s safe to say that Kid Buu comfortably scales above that of Base Super Buu.
“GOKU WAS AFRAID OF SUPER BUU BUT NOT KID BUU!”
Goku said that if him and vegeta went out “Like this” they would be killed, Goku was referring to the weaker state that both him and Vegeta were in due to being forcefully shrunk in size. It was stated in Daizenshuu 10 that Goku and Vegeta were lowered to 1/100th of their true strength and it was stated in Daizenshuu 7 that Vegito is the only character that can’t be weakened by being shrunk. To say that Goku knew he would return to his original size would require more evidence considering that there is no indication that he had such knowledge.
“SUPER BUU IS A FUSION”
Buu’s absorption’s are not linear as he they can also make him weaker, Fat Buu is a fusion yet he was getting his ass beat by Kid Buu. Your point?
Now that I’ve established Kid Buu being greater than Super Buu. I’ll explain Buuhan.
On numerous occasions, over and over, stated in numerous guides and said numerous times in the Anime. Kid Buu is the ultimate Majin and the strongest opponent yet. There’s hardly any statements for Buuhan being the strongest opponent in Z besides to 2 random ones which pale in comparison to the evidence supporting Kid Buu on being the strongest.
Kid Buu Statements
Dende from the DBS Manga states that Kid Buu was the strongest opponent they faced in Z.
Old Kai stating Buu is the most dangerous which is referring to his power, as Kibito states that Kid Buu lost power by absorbing power then the Old Kai states “the small one over there… is the first, most dangerous one.”
Goku had said a lot things about Kid Buu they fought.
“You sure are strong. Huh? More than I imagined.”
“If I had known it would’ve been like this, I would have put you away for when we were Vegito.”
“Damnit not even Super Saiyan 3 can keep up.”
“If only we had the potara.”
DBZ KAl Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous, and powerful version of himself?
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
This is all in reference to a suppressed Kid Buu before he grew stronger by spitting out Fat Buu who wasn’t trying at all with Goku or Vegeta until the Spirit Bomb.
Dragon Ball Z
Fact Files dictate that even though Kid Buu is the smallest and most childlike of all of the Buu's, he possesses the most power and ability in comparison to the previous versions of Buu.
Koyama might have said that he thinks Buuhan is stronger but he has no actual say in the Buu Saga part of the anime and that’s just his opinion of it. Agreeing with him on this is simply an appeal to false authority. (He later admitted to Kid Buu being stronger as well)
in the Manga Vegeta says that no one else in the entire Universe could fight
Kid Buu. (This is him being aware of Gohan and Gotenks btw) this is further backed by multiple guidebooks claiming Kid Buu and Goku to be the strongest.
Kid Buu has better feats, more statements and more creditability to him being the strongest Majin.
The anime CONSTANTLY pushes the idea of Kid Buu being the strongest, even verbatim explaining that it’s “absolute” that he’s the most powerful Majin? Sounds like to me that they’re telling Buuhan supporters that he’s not the strongest, it’s not debatable. Even with the absence of the anime we can turn to the guides and we get the same results. V-Jump even explains that Buuhan is actually relative to SS3 Goku. In comparison a full power SS3 Goku is incapable of defeating Kid Buu. This paired with the fact that Kid Buu was trolling Goku the entire time throughout their fight should comfortably place him above SS3 Goku, leading us to Kid Buu > SS3 Goku ~ Buuhan.
My argument for Kid Buu vs Vegito
(Theoretical)
Kid Buu Vs Vegito
Basically Elder Kai is not credible with how Potara Earrings work with mortal’s because he was pre judging it based on Gods, meaning he has no say in how it would work on mortal’s because he’s only seen it on gods. He doesn’t have full experience and knowledge of the Potara Earrings, evidence being his lack of knowledge of the Potara time limit, his assumption that they would never surpass Vegito but that’s incorrect because they surpass those levels when it comes to the spirit bomb. (If not there then in God form during B.O.G)
Vegito’s only scaling to Kid Buu would be someone who’s completely inferior to him through Buuhan, scaling him to Kid Buu wouldn’t be credible due to Elder Kai’s inexperience and lack of knowledge of the Potara’s effect on mortals specifically.
Kid Buu was not struggling with Pushing back a Universal Spirit Bomb, but Vegito was struggling with Buuhan’s Universal Shout.
I’d say that Buuhan fight Vegito isn’t comparable to full power kid buu, but a hypothetical SS3 Buuhan fight Vegito could contend with him, or a Kid Buu fight Vegito could possibly contend.
the fact you had to do this when my vid covers all except kai is crazy. just goes to show how braindead and stubborn these buuhan fans TRULY are
@@hystor1c NO LIE🙏🏾😂
Just gotta double down no matter what
fat buu is not a fusion when he drops kid buu and everyone else the only one that remains was the good guy but hence that is consifered the weakest version of buu. dude if ss3 goku was relative to buutenks he would of fought him. the statements about kid buu bring the strongest are marketing material and nothing more i can bring up prior examples were said about cell and frieza at their times, nothing special. i can keep going about those specific scan statements. nothing about the goku vs kid buu fight states that kid buu is that much stronger than him at all even if you say he was holding back that would make zero sense. there are instances where kid buuu gets extremly pissed and if he was that strong he would at least tap goku strong enough to amke him cough for air. dbz works by the numbers and you fail to understand hte basics the addition of kid buu fighters makes him stronger. also if super buu was afraid to not be himself how does he know that why is he afraid it means something happens that he wont be himself, but you dont just imply that out of nowehere. it means that either understands the naure of the problem or it has happened before. also super buu says the bnirth of the strongst majin period dude.
@@dolphin-studio I would respond to this but this doesn’t refute anything, also how would you prove that every claim for Kid Buu being the strongest is “marketing material” when most of these references and guides were released years after the main anime and manga ended😂😂😂 ungodly amounts of cope.
Doesn’t make any sense to fuse if ss3 goku could have beaten buuhan by himself.
@@chad22345 bro please actually watch the video
I watched the full video but please time stamp me where you show why goku is on par or can beat buuhan
Nah, sorry fam but gotta disagree with the Buutenks claim. He remembers Gohan from when he was fat Buu, and Vegeta as well. Also Fat Buu only listened to Babidi since he remembered being selaed and controlled by Bibidi back in the day when he was Kid Buu. Buutenks is objectively stronger than Kid Buu according to himself in the manga and anime.
Also Koyama doesn't say Kid Buu is stronger, that is a misinterpretation, he was refering to the person asking the question having that stance. He in fact said twice Buuhan is stronger even when shown the kid buu screen caps.
Also statements about being the strongest Buu can easily be explained as refering to the pure versions or Buu in general as a whole, as absorbtions can be considered outside power ups and majin Buu can denote any or all forms. The only way you dont contradict the statements in the anime or manga is to place Buutenks above Kid Buu, who he would have been refering to as one of his weaker forms. That way Kid Buu is the strongest pure version while Buutenks claim is still accurate surpassing Kid Buu with an external power up.
Yeah that's also why fat Buu (even after losing most his strength post split) was still doing about as well as Vegeta which wouldn't make sense if Goku and Vegeta got a power up in order to compete with a stronger kid Buu.
Buutenks’ statement is very contradictory and arrogant to the point where it shouldn’t be used. That would mean that he is stronger than Buuhan which we all know is not true.
There’s other statements from Koyama who said that Kid Buu is the strongest version of Majin Buu. And Koyama literally went back on that Buuhan statement, and said that he was only referring to the transformation forms.
He spoke about this comment in the live stream.
Bro what ? Fat doesn't renember when he was Kid Buu, and Kid buu wasn't manipulated by Babidi at all. Kid buu was doing destroying everything before badidi was born.
So Super Buu doesn't renember when he was Kid Buu.
The fact you believe that Buutenks and Buuhan are stronger than Kid Buu in anime just shown how Buuhantards are delusional as hell when Goku himself and the narrator stated multiple time that Kid Buu is the strongest forms.. You can still cope harder buddy.
Goku literally said if Mr Satan and Fat buu didn't help us. Kid Buu was going to kill us all, including Gohan and Gotenks. Ssj1 Goku literally beat clone of Ultimate Gohan who has the same strength as the true ultimate Gohan bruh.
@@BasedKuuTooGourmet what live stream? I’m curious to what he said
This doesn't make any sense though. For Kid Buu to be stronger than Buuhan, that means whenever buu absorbs someone he gets weaker. When we know for a fact that Kid Buu gets stronger when absorbing someone that's why he was feared, because if Kid Buu meant someone stronger than him he would absorb them. Think about it logically, if Kid Buu absorbs Ultimate Gohan is Kid Buu now weaker?
The first person buu absorbed was the kai
Make a very accurate video on gokus scaling
We need a accurate one
I would really like a manga version of this because both anime and manga are canon but I like to see more of what toriyama created. So you could prolly use Kai. But I do like you points.
Also one thing. Vegito doesn’t have something unique to him that negates being shrunken. It’s just that he so vastly powerful.
I’m not sure if you misworded that. But overall w vid
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ Episode 278
20min59sec mark
Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!"
Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
the video talks about both. also no it's outright stated that his power didn't go down. it isn't that his power is so high that the nerf doesn't matter. Every Guide, even the manga tell you this
@@hystor1c I used to tell ppl that that this was a power over hax feat DragonBall has. So if ppl were to the Goku into something it wouldn’t work because it didn’t work on vegito who was so powerful.
So you think the candy beam would work on Goku in super?
@@joshuameraz2826 only manga is canon,although both have their own time line
W video, keep up the good work
Lil bro has never watched any official db material
@@usuario15965 are you talkin bout yourself? cus we can debate. Hystor1c is my discord
discord? lets debate this topic, i think its interesting
discord is hystor1c
What’s the discord
@@8thgod769 Midtop
Vegeta when he sees super buu : shit should have fused didn't know
Vegeta when he sees kid boo: shit he's strong welp our best team work can beat him tho lmao
Yea how did that go for them 😂
Anime gokussj3>gohan
Bro your just yapping here lemme debunk you rq, buuhan fought vegito game over argument over and goku wasnt even tryna fight buutenks let alone buuhan, he was confident against kid buu but terrified of buuhan theres also no evidence that kid buu was holding back and buutenks or buuhan wasnt your just giving him the benefit of doubt and downplaying them, enough said.
@@jackdemerritt5189 ts was ass and my entire vid debunks it
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ Episode 278
20min59sec mark
Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!"
Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
" *But But But tHeY cHoSe To fUsE aGaInSt Buuhan!* "
(Even though Vegeta was very reluctant to do so mind you)
*SSJ3 Goku fights Kid Buu*
↓↓↓
DBZ Episode 277
Sub " Maybe I've been trying too much to look cool. I thought things would go better than this!"
DBZ Kai episode 160
"Shoot! Maybe ive been playing things too cool! I thought i could handle it better than this"
DB Chapter 510 pg 12
Goku - "He'd be no problem if we used the potara! Guess I was a bit too cocky...I thought this would work!"
Interviewer: In several parts of Dragon Ball, *THE MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER IS ACTUALLY THE SMALLEST, CUTEST, AND YOUNGEST LOOKING*
For example young Goku, or Freeza, and Majin Boo in their FINAL TRANSFORMATIONS."
Akira Toriyama: *I wanted to go against the expectations that the strong ones always get stronger and bigger*
My favorite Copy pasta just got better
Young goku, freeza were never strongest in their respective arcs 😂😂😂😂
Actually these are all wrong, mind hearing the Japanese words? Instead of blatantly using subs like a casual😂😂😂
@ His examples aren’t the problem here, his point is still confirmed by Toriyama. If Buu/and or Frieza hadn’t been their strongest in their FINAL FORMS then Toriyama could’ve easily countered the interviewers assertion
@BasedKuuTooGourmet umm actually interviewer said kid goku who isn't strongest anywhere 🤓 ☝
Also freezee isn't strongest too, chad bulked up daddyku is strongest of the arc 😳☝
Ridiculous and it really push the statement" Don't mess with DB fans mentality" lmao
debate then discord is hystor1c
and yet there is not a single proof actually showing he is wrong there is actually more saying he is right
Here a copy paste from someone else
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ Episode 278
20min59sec mark
Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!"
Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
" But But But tHeY cHoSe To fUsE aGaInSt Buuhan! "
(Even though Vegeta was very reluctant to do so mind you)
SSJ3 Goku fights Kid Buu
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DBZ Episode 277
Sub " Maybe I've been trying too much to look cool. I thought things would go better than this!"
DBZ Kai episode 160
"Shoot! Maybe ive been playing things too cool! I thought i could handle it better than this"
DB Chapter 510 pg 12
Goku - "He'd be no problem if we used the potara! Guess I was a bit too cocky...I thought this would work!"
Interviewer: In several parts of Dragon Ball, THE MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER IS ACTUALLY THE SMALLEST, CUTEST, AND YOUNGEST LOOKING
For example young Goku, or Freeza, and Majin Boo in their FINAL TRANSFORMATIONS."
Akira Toriyama: I wanted to go against the expectations that the strong ones always get stronger and bigger
Official source material > popular opinions among fans 🤷🏽♂️
@@KiyoGam1To be fair in that last quote, it was the interviewer who gave the examples, not Akira. The examples brought up don't even apply since Frieza has to get bigger in his buff form (both Frieza and frost refer to it as a transformation) So Akira is likely agreeing that the trend exists, not necessarily agreeing with the examples themselves. I'm not commenting on the entire Buu debate but that interview isn't the best evidence to use
Facts that's what I've been saying lets not forget when super buu was turning into kid buu he was increasing in power. People fail to understand that. Honestly anyone who really thinks buuhan is stronger than kid buu is clearly a idiot or being fooled. Also Saying buuhan is the strongest and kid buu is the most dangerous also confirms kid buu is stronger because your not the most powerful if your not the most dangerous. But than again even tho you showed proof they won't accept the truth
Buuhan is stronger, you fool
@@Zoro-pv9dc you clearly did not watch the video
Nope, buuhan is stronger. But kid but is more dangerous. If you put an elephant and a lion in a room, 1 is more powerful and the other is more dangerous.
@@Popperdrop real life and fiction are 2 different things you just de railed the argument
@@Bloodhunt456nope, you just misinterpret the message. I was clearly referring to the fact that one does not need to be the strongest to be the most dangerous. Put 1 lion in an enclosed field with 10 people for a month. Then 1 elephant in an enclosed field with 10 people for a month. One will have significantly more casualties than the other due to their instinctive nature. Kid buu has a significantly more destructive nature without need for any reasoning.
If absorbing people made him weaker, buu would not have absorbed Picollo. He wouldn't have absorbed Gotenks. Or Gohan. Why would he make himself weaker? The only one stated to nerf him was the Grand Supreme Kai
to get some IQ. have you seen kid buu? Buuhan was arguably the smartest version and a better fighter.
@@KiyoGam1 don't make no sense lmao
If iq was everything then how tf was he supposed to be boasting his power continuously
@@KiyoGam1he’s gaining iq but making a idiotic decision? Seems like bs
@ i mean he is buu what do you expect
@@ohhellwhereami2574 exactly. Once he absorbed Picollo, his job would be done. No point absorbing Gotenks and Gohan
finally someone who speaks facts
Both stated by the narrator and goku that kid buu is the strongest buu
Bullshit. Ultimate Gohan destroys kid buu easily
goku LITERALLY says otherwise and the series shows us he is correct
@GenkiSeven actually if you watch the fight again you would realize goku said they aren't getting any damage from their attack
So SSJ3 Goku can beat Super Saiyan Vegito?
@@chefoli2130 pay attention to the vid
@ Please answer the question
@ the video answers it. would be redundant to restate something i've alr said
@@hystor1c You legit never talked abt this. Is he or isn't he?
@ yes i did. I said Goku is weaker than buuhan. Buuhan is weaker than vegito. 2+2=4 bro
in fact here is one thing i thought about that can debunk this insanity. kid buu was decibated and cleaerly did not want to die so he would be using his full power to survive so with that said, kid buu was pushed back and killed by the sum of all of earths genki. buuhan power up was collapsing the macrocosm so by math and logic are you saying that the totality of earths life force far exceeds the power to collapse all dimensions at least in the mortal universe and possibly the macrocosm? ill leave you to answer that.
xept u realize...... that Earths Energy consisted of Gohan,Piccolo......so on so on........ >.> Macrocosm is a place..... that was getting tore open... not really destroyed, it was going to be like what happened with hyperbolic time chamber when buu screamed and opened a portal, Meanwhile Kid Buu was pushing back a Spirit Bomb that consisted of ALL of that Energy plus Goku's AND Fully Rejuvenated Goku by the Dragon Balls , So no, It was not going to be destroyed by Buuhans Own Strength, rather it was from the situation aka breaking the walls between dimensions and causing the dimensions to start to weighing down on the Universe and crushing it.
Invalid Argument mate.
@@tchrono12 umm actually 🤓 if you read or watch your will realize being revived doesn't refill your energy as goku said about vegeta. Piccolo, gohan, goten and trunks all died not a while ago so they were at bare minimum energy at the time 😭
Also pushing back SB isn't a feat, as vegeta quote "throwing is crucial for SB" All goku needed to throw it correctly
@@ohhellwhereami2574 ????? dude wth u smoking, dende literally asked shenron to refill goku's strength, aka his ki,stamina >.> why u think he suddenly easily went ssj to push the spirit bomb to kid buu? ...... DB Fans these days....
@@ohhellwhereami2574it’s literally stated that he took energy from Gohan and the others 😂 he had took all of their energy, cope.
man DB fans finna never beat the allegations. Kid Buu is stated to make the universe go poof. Buuhan needed an amp in order to achieve an overtime destruction of the universe. Not only that but goku took the genki from earth, the universe, and hell. so that's 2 universal sized constructs imbuing the spirit bomb with power. So yes the super spirit bomb exceeds what Buuhan did😭
“Buutenks wasn’t casually beating Goku”
he did tho… and Vegeta too
Goku was trying to hold off Buutenks so Gohan could put on the Potara, he was not trying to actually defeat him.
It’s stated that after you’re revived, you don’t have full ki, so goku isn’t able to fight Buutenks at full power.
(When did Vegeta fight Buutenks?)
@@SuperiorGokuGT
He did surprisingly bad job at holding him back, like so bad even vegeta was batter at holding kid buu
@jacket8818 no he didn't😭 Buutenks knew that Goku was a challenge hence why he stopped fighting him to blast at gohan😭 keep in mind you are comparing two fights with two different versions of buu, that are fighting COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Buutenks is bloodlusted, Kid Buu is holding back😭😭😭god yall buuhan dick riders never cease to amaze me
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Buutenke is bloodlusted and kid buu is holding back ☠️☠️, yeah definitely
Hope you have a great day, go and drink some water no need to rise your blood pressure
@@jacket8818 uh oh another pea brain that doesn't know the material they are giving an opinion on😭
I think the only point you missed was the intelligence/strategy aspect (unless I got overloaded with facts), but other than that, bullet proof arguments.
Buutenks said he was the strongest buu to exist when he fused with gotenks,absorbing others DOES make him stronger,he went from being destroyed by gohan to beating him,He did not want to fight buuhan because he had the powers of gohan who was stronger than him,super buu alone would wash him becuse he states that gotenks is stronger than him,you dont inderstand such simple concepts
@@usuario15965 ironic. This is pathetic. Buutenks doesn't have memory of a mindless entity. Also no, not every absorption makes his stronger. The grand supreme kai makes him weaker😭 which is stated if you ACTUALLY read. He didn't want to fight buuhan bc he was convinced by elder kai not to. Gohan is not stronger than Goku. Super Buu alone would die, same with Buuhan.
@@hystor1c @hystor1c No not every absrobtion makes him stronger,but pretty sure absorving someone stronger than you makes you stronger,to prove this to you its as simple as seeing that super buu was getting trashed by gohan,but then after absorbing gotenks and piccolo he trashed gohan,he undoubtedly got stronger,now its stated that gotenks after training was stronger than goku and vegeta,and gohan was stronger than gotenks because super buu was equeal to gotenks and gohan was superior to those ,and buu then absorved those two,and ssj 3 goku was equeal or a tad bit superior to kid buu,so whats the logic
If superbuu but had to choose one of 2 paths, either buuhan or kid buu which is stronger.
Buuhan has Gohan+ goten+ +trunks+ piccolo for a power boost.
Or is the power boost from turning into kid buu higher.
(Kid buu = ss3 goku) Gohan is at least equal but most likely stronger than ss3 goku.
Fat buu was fighting ss3 goku evenly.
Ss3 goku could do nothing to Buutenks. Read carefully;
Ss3 gotenks is weaker than Gohan, so Buuhan is stronger than Buutenks.
Buuhan is therefore significantly stronger than ss3 goku.
Ss3 goku was evenly matched with kid buu, so ss3 goku would get destroyed by Buuhan. Buuhan is stronger (elephant(. Kid buu is more dangerous(lion).
god i wish yall would just watch the video instead of wasting everyone's time😭
You cooked🔥
Notice how these two would still get slammed by Cabba 🗣🔥
all that for Cabba to lose to base gt goten
Literally so many people on my latest short have literally been saying "Kid Buu isn't the strongest, he's just destructive." The cope is insane.
@@slickprince FACTS
Actually if you tranlate 90% of statement regarding him it's "troublesome " Or stuff
@@ohhellwhereami2574 hahahahahahah
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ Episode 278
20min59sec mark
Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!"
Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
Nah that’s the objective true take you just don’t know dbz
@@slickprince Read the manga lil bro
Buuhan is the strongest form however kid buu has better fighting tactics where as buuhan jokes around a lot. So Buuhan is stronger than kid buu but kid buu is a more tactical fighter.
yea this is just cope can't lie.
@@hystor1c dude math doesnt add up kid buu is one of the weakest. who in the hell in the manga goku said he couldve taken kid buu yet base super buu he was scared of him also, ultimate gohan is comfirmed by toriyama to be the strongest unfused character, buuhan is composed of him plus goten trunks and piccolo dude you suck so hard at math and clear power level statements. then why was ssj3 goku competing against kid buu if he was that strong he would get one shot and no kid buu rarely holds back he blew up the earth. there are so many holes, dude how delusional can you be.
facts clear as day
No way mf just said kid buu is tactical
@@usuario15965 he is, Goku even highlights so and is impressed by how skillful he is
Have you read the same manga??????????????? Gohan > Gotenks > Goku
Buuhan is the strongest form of Buu.
debate it discord is hystor1c
671 views and 256 comments💀Ohh the Buuhan fans are mad💀
Bro who is a fan of buuhan
93% of this thread😭
I've always looked at the argument if a kid was power from the standpoint of. Mr boo exists that's a massive chunk of his power that he doesn't have. To get a full powered Kid Buu you have to remove the impurity which is the former Supreme Court.
Boohan in contrast is at his max power.
How long are you actually going to keep up with this debate. Ive seen your videos and youve been at this debate for over a year 💀. Inside buu's body vegeta was fighting on par with ssj3 gotenks and ssj goku was also beating ultimate gohan but if you actually use this scene to determine goku and vegetas strength the power difference between these characters would be insanely high. Ssj2 vegeta would be around 100x stronger than ssj3 gotenks and ssj3 goku would be around 8x stronger than ultimate gohan. Plus if you also use the fact that they were in a shrunken state and they could only use 1/100 of their power it only makes the power difference way higher. This would also mean that they would be way stronger than buuhan but goku literally said in buus body that they couldn't defeat base super buu. You did say in your video that goku was probably referring to fighting super buu in their shrunken state but the same goku and vegeta IN THEIR SHRUNKEN STATE were fighting on par with ssj3 gotenks and ultimate gohan who are stronger than base super buu. This literally shows that if regardless of goku and vegeta were in their shrunken state or not they would have still beaten super buu which clearly contradicts what goku said about being unable to beat super buu. Does this not literally prove that goku and vegeta did not get stronger as you think they did
Doesn’t contradict any Kid Buu scaling.
@@justarandoytmain all these people typing essays just to be wrong😭
The only way to argue that kid buu is stronger is if goku and vegeta did get stronger throughout the buu arc which i proved that they couldn't have. Goku states that him and vegeta would lose to super buu. Gohan and gotenks both would beat super buu. Also goku only says that kid buu was toying with them AFTER goku loses his stamina which could imply that kid buu was only toying with them after goku couldn't put up a fight anymore due to his power being drained from using ssj3. Also if kid buu truly was holding back against ssj3 goku, why would they believe that goku at full power could defeat kid buu in the first place? If goku and vegeta cannot beat super buu but goku at full power could beat kid buu, then it's pretty clear that super buu is stronger than goku vegeta and kid buu and if gohan and gotenks can beat super buu, than both gohan and gotenks are stronger than the rest of them. Buuhan> Buutenks> Gohan> Ssj3 Gotenks> Super Buu> Ssj3 Goku> Kid Buu> Ssj2 Vegeta.
I hate that people just think goku doesn’t get stronger AT ALL throughout the buu saga. Also goku said kid Buu was holding back against him and they should’ve used fusion. He’s stronger than gohan at the end, this is backed by statements, guidebooks and toriyama himself lmao
He doesnt,he does not train in the whole saga
@@usuario15965He doesn't need to. He can get stronger from fighting. That's kind of the thing Saiyans are known for
@@usuario15965ummm u realize saiyans get stronger thru FIGHTING?? The whole time Goku and vegeta have been fighting in the buu saga which is the same thing as training, how do u think vegeta and trunks and goku and gohan got stronger in the time chamber?? Also golden frieza was able to match up to post goku black arc ssb Goku without any physical training just mental training, and we see goku meditate in the buu saga which is what Frieza did in hell
"he can get stronger through fighting"
Ah yes. The grand total of 2-3 fights in the buu saga that Goku had made him go from a super buu victim to a super buu- ultimate Gohan absorbed slayer
@heroricspiritfreinen38 you really need to start paying attention. Nobody is saying Ssj3 Goku is stronger than buuhan😭. Also again he isn't a super buu victim and the stronger the opponent the more potent the increase so yes😭
wow..people still argue about this...damn Superbuu > kidbuu stop with this stupid debate
Prove it
@@BasedKuuTooGourmet watch the show...why would goku train gohan and go through all this if super buu is weaker than kidbuu then he should have been able to just go and finish the job instead ultimate gohan was required to beat super buu while kidbuu is just a weaker version and goku was confident against him even tho he would lose anyway the only majin SSJ3 can beat was fat buu.
@@MoeBogard In the El Manga Legendario (A official Spanish guide for Dragon ball that was released by Toei) its stated and narratively implied that none of the Z Fighters could defeat Kid Buu one on one, saying that it would require teamwork to do so. And Teamwork in Dragon Ball makes the characters stronger as stated by Belmod.
In the Anime and Anime Databooks, Goku states that Kid Buu is the strongest person he’s ever fought. In the anime. Goku fought fake Warrior Gohan who was stated to be equal to the true Gohan by Goku himself. Goku also fought the likes of Buutenks and Buuhan.
Considering Gohan was bopping Super Buu in the anime and that Buutenks and Buuhan are logically above Super Buu as they are literally treated to be massive amps, it’s safe to say that Kid Buu comfortably scales above that of Base Super Buu.
“GOKU WAS AFRAID OF SUPER BUU BUT NOT KID BUU!”
Goku said that if him and vegeta went out “Like this” they would be killed, Goku was referring to the weaker state that both him and Vegeta were in due to being forcefully shrunk in size. It was stated in Daizenshuu 10 that Goku and Vegeta were lowered to 1/100th of their true strength and it was stated in Daizenshuu 7 that Vegito is the only character that can’t be weakened by being shrunk. To say that Goku knew he would return to his original size would require more evidence considering that there is no indication that he had such knowledge.
“SUPER BUU IS A FUSION”
Buu’s absorption’s are not linear as he they can also make him weaker, Fat Buu is a fusion yet he was getting his ass beat by Kid Buu. Your point?
Now that I’ve established Kid Buu being greater than Super Buu. I’ll explain Buuhan.
On numerous occasions, over and over, stated in numerous guides and said numerous times in the Anime. Kid Buu is the ultimate Majin and the strongest opponent yet. There’s hardly any statements for Buuhan being the strongest opponent in Z besides to 2 random ones which pale in comparison to the evidence supporting Kid Buu on being the strongest.
@@BasedKuuTooGourmet the anime says it all also goku didn't fight buutenks...he was running away LOL and it was filler too if you believe kidbuu is stronger..good for u buddy but anyone with half a brain will see that superbuu is the strongest version anyway I am done arguing with this stupid ass debate have a nice day.
@ Lol continue to cope lil bro I accept your concession, have a good day.🙏🏾😂😂
16:26 Where did this "majority" even come from? There's only one confirmed case of Buu becoming weaker by absorbing someone, and that's from absorbing the Grand Supreme Kai. Every other time we see Buu absorb someone, he becomes stronger. Super Buu is stronger than Buu, Buutenks is stronger than Super Buu, and Buuhan is stronger than Buutenks. All Kibito Kai says is that Buu's power was reduced by obtaining a *heart* from absorbing the Grand Supreme Kai. He doesn't gain a "heart" by absorbing Gohan or Gotenks or anyone else, nor do we know just how much weaker Buu is by absorbing the South Supreme Kai (is it half of his power? a tiny fraction? this nerf could've been neutralized when Evil Buu ate Majin Buu for all we know), so how is this proof that "as a matter of fact, a majority of them made him weaker"? That's just disingenuous.
@@afro025 what's disingenuous is you nitpicking my point and the pieces of evidence on screen bc NO. Kid Buu absorbed 2 kais both affected him. South Supreme Kai made him both stronger but also gave him a piece of his soul which made him weaker, then the Lord of Lords got absorbed and it made him MUCH weaker and changed him into a COMPLETELY different entity. that's a majority. no absorption of the Z fighters drastically changed Buu. just made him stronger.
@@afro025 you also didn't prove the nerf would be a "tiny fraction" and seeing as how he goes from being inferior to SSJ3 Goku until he absorbs gotenks to completely overpowering him and only allowing him to attack as kid buu, the nerf was pretty big.
@@hystor1c I didn't nitpick anything, that's literally your entire argument for why you think Buuhan absorbing characters like Gohan and Gotenks doesn't make him stronger than Kid Buu.
And, no, that's wrong. The South Supreme Kai didn't make Buu turn into fat Buu like you claim in the video, that's just objectively wrong (I too made that mistake, which is why I edited the comment to fix it, but I should've double checked instead of listening to what you said in the video). In chapter 508 of the Dragon Ball manga, Kibito Kai says that absorbing the South Supreme Kai made him Super Buu, while absorbing the Grand Supreme Kai made him Fat Buu. They never once say that the South Supreme Kai made him any weaker, it's just the Grand Supreme Kai. So, no, that isn't a majority, that's a *minority.* Only ONE character Buu absorbed made him weaker, while everyone else, South Supreme Kai, Piccolo, Gotenks, and Gohan, all made him stronger.
Reread my comment, because I never claimed the nerf was a "tiny fraction", I only questioned if it was. We literally don't know how big or small the nerf was, nor do we know when that nerf was neutralized. So using that as proof to argue that Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan is disingenuous, we don't have enough information to make such a claim.
If you want to continue this, then do it on discord. I sent a friend request.
Kid Buu actually shouldn't have died to the spirit bomb, not with how the lore handles him, and Shin not being stronger than any of the Z-Fighters never made sense, not with how strong a Supreme Kai can get.
The correct tier list goes as follows
Ssj vegito >> base vegito >= buuhan >> buutenks >> ultimate gohan >> ssj3 Gotenks ~ base super buu >>> Ssj3 goku ~ kid buu
If u disagree with this u need to go back and watch / read dragonball
@@MadaraUchiha-tx7pv or maybe you do.
That looks like an accurate list to me!
Seems pretty damn accurate
Buuhan would slaughter kid buu and I’d debate /argue with anybody about this in 2024 weeks shouldn’t still even be talking about kid buu be buuhan it’s not even close. Kid buu arguably couldn’t even beat base super buu and it’s ALOT of evidence for that also. Goku was literally scared of base super buu in the manga. And goku implies several times he does not want too fight super buu in the anime without some kind of fusion with wither vegeta or gohan. Buutenks also says he’s the strongest majin of all time and he knows about kid buu. Where as goku doesn’t want too fight super buu at all without fusion he’s perfectly confident against kid buu
Buuhan doesn’t even scale to Vegito, he’s some nebulous level above SS3 Goku who would get washed by Kid Buu.
Goku was only worried about Super Buu due to be shrunk inside of him and being drastically weakened.
Buutenks is a cocky bastard and doesn’t display any memories of Kid Buu, and he contradicts a future statement after he absorbs Gohan.
Goku was overconfident and admits it was a mistake to fight Kid Buu, Kid Buu was toying with them the whole fight and Vegeta says they were fighting on a whole different league compared to what came before. Kid Buu negs
yk what he had to do in order to see these arguments earlier? WATCH THE VIDEO😭😭😭
@@hystor1c 😂😂😂😂🙏🏾 Leave to dragon ball fans to not read or watch their show and then not read or watch anything about their show
@@BasedKuuTooGourmet …… cope cope buu obviously remembers kid buu saying just because he’s cocky that means literally nothing prove he didn’t remember kid buus power ? Oh that’s right you can’t. And goku was not just worried because he was small where did you get that from 🤣wtf goku literally says even though he’s back too normal if we go back out we won’t have a chance the only reason they were small is because they were in buus body again this is why I don’t take these arguments seriously their so random and dumb you see the mental gymnastics your trying too pull rn 😂. And buuhan is way above ss3 goku it’s not even remotely close and ss3 goku and kid buu are relative but buu would just outlast him with regen ..
@@cameronscott2938 It’s certified you didn’t watch the videos, or any of the videos covering this topic on this channel bro. It’s alright though I won’t argue with you forever because I don’t find paint drying too satisfying. I accept your concession, gg lil bro🙏🏾🙏🏾😂
People can’t accept facts when presented to them they only wanna either dislike without any reasoning or logic
@@Oneshotmaster256 i have reasoning which is NARRATIVE
@ love to see it because kid buu is clearly stronger
@@Oneshotmaster256 love to what? You didn't see buu saga 💀
@@ohhellwhereami2574you mean the narrative which has Kid Buu stronger?
@SuperiorGokuGT lmao all those time narrator says only ONE time of book being best Or strongest but that doesn't equate to narrative watch the boo saga without thinking and see if you still come up with kid boo being stronger without external media
Regular Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu.
come debate it
@@Jajuan44 *massive face palm* Like bro.. lmao💀
Kid buu is stated to be the most dangerous buu which is equivalent to being the strongest.
@@benevolence2926 Give around of applause for someone who actually has basic knowledge on the topic they're speaking of 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@@benevolence2926 No it doesn't. It just means Kid Buu is the most unhinged. Super Buu is just as strong if not stronger than Kid Buu. Super Buu wasn't as unhinged. They was able to get Super Buu to wait a long time for Gotenks to get ready, Kid Buu isn't like that at all he appears and destroys the earth without playing around. That's what they mean by most dangerous. Goku frame 1 did not want to fight Super Buu without fusing, but with Kid Buu he's playing rock paper scissors with Vegeta to see who will fight him 1 on 1. If Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu let alone Buuhan they would have taken Kid Buu more seriously.
W vid. Btw, in episode 1 of Daima, it's verbatim stated that Goku is the strongest warrior. So you can use that considering the timeline
@@Moai_Cook that's intro
@@ohhellwhereami2574still reliable.
"it's stated"
How mfers feel when they say "it's verbatim stated": 👋👋👋🙂↕️🙂↕️🙂↕️😉😉🙏🙏💯💯🤗🤗😂😂
Okay, I'm just gonna take a big shot at that "Super Boo doesn't remember being Kid Boo" thing since that's the most glaring part:
8:30 Why is Piccolo considered a viable source on Kid Boo, someone he doesn't even know about? He has no reason to be aware of any form of Boo besides the Innocent, Pure Evil, and Super incarnations at that point.
8:50 Super Boo has no reason to mention or bring up Kid Boo's foes; they're either dead, absorbed, or not relevant to his fights.
9:10 Super Boo very clearly makes a distinction between Kid Boo and his other forms; he claims that Innocent Boo was him, as in his statement about fighting Gotenks, but he doesn't group Kid Boo in that same category. I don't know if he makes that note about Innocent Boo in Japanese, but I'm pretty sure he does indeed say that Kid Boo would be different.
9:31 I would be inclined to believe that Gotenks Boo was being arrogant if we actually saw his personality show more of Gotenks. Boo post-absorbing Piccolo just seems to be smarter Boo/Cell 2.0. Boo shows basically none of Gotenks's traits; no childish mannerisms, not even his Japanese speech style (His speech style doesn't even take from any of his components, showing just how unoriginal of a villain he became).
Also, wasn't the statement about Kid Boo being the most formidable in the Moro arc, where he was definitely *not* the strongest enemy of Goku's?
1. The same reason whis considered him reliable and smart when he stated the attributes of god ki, even though he never encountered it. You are grasping at straws that arent there. The point of the statement is what happens when you become a beast of destruction, I never said he was talking about kid buu directly.
2. This is a blatant lie as Shin was present and even tried to intervene in the fights with fat buu and he never mentioned knowledge of knowing him.
3. Again another lie. Super Buu doesnt ever refer to kid buu. He simply says not himself. Not himself refers to loss of identity. He knows that fat buu made him. That doesn't prove he knows what will happen once he is removed and that's the point. All he knows is that he wont be himself and again that can be anything to him.
4. Again this is another lie. but even if it wasnt this doesnt defeat my point. I say this because we know that buu doesnt show all traits of the person he absorbed. He shows piccolo's smarts but not his brooding attitude or serious mindset. He has gohan's power and intelligence but doesnt let his guard down or sell fights due to new power like gohan did. Also yes buutenks does have enhanced cockiness and thats shown to us.
Yea bro this was bad
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ Episode 278
20min59sec mark
Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!"
Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
" *But But But tHeY cHoSe To fUsE aGaInSt Buuhan!* "
(Even though Vegeta was very reluctant to do so mind you)
*SSJ3 Goku fights Kid Buu*
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DBZ Episode 277
Sub " Maybe I've been trying too much to look cool. I thought things would go better than this!"
DBZ Kai episode 160
"Shoot! Maybe ive been playing things too cool! I thought i could handle it better than this"
DB Chapter 510 pg 12
Goku - "He'd be no problem if we used the potara! Guess I was a bit too cocky...I thought this would work!"
Interviewer: In several parts of Dragon Ball, *THE MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER IS ACTUALLY THE SMALLEST, CUTEST, AND YOUNGEST LOOKING*
For example young Goku, or Freeza, and Majin Boo in their FINAL TRANSFORMATIONS."
Akira Toriyama: *I wanted to go against the expectations that the strong ones always get stronger and bigger*
@@SuperKamiGuruuthank you again
@@hystor1cthank this guy 👆🏻
@@hystor1c "what happens when you become a beast of destruction"
So a "beast of destruction" is a universal category that accurately describes every evil being? I fail to see why Piccolo would be able to exactly understand Boo's condition. It doesn't matter if he has god ki, since Kami had an understanding of god ki, as we saw with Piccolo's interaction with Shin. Of course he would know about that. We can't say the same for Boo's properties.
"This is a blatant lie as Shin was present and even tried to intervene in the fights with fat buu"
I would argue that Innocent Boo would be a different case since the Dai-Kaioshin is holding him back more, but I guess that was never stated anywhere. We are simply forced to assume that Super Boo has memories of Kid Boo, while his previous incarnation does not.
"Super Buu doesnt ever refer to kid buu. He simply says not himself."
If Super Boo had no idea what Kid Boo was, why would he have any reason to fear the removal of Innocent Boo? Remember, he was originally the Pure Evil Boo, who turned into Super Boo after absorbing his good half. If he didn't know about Kid Boo, he would have assumed he'd just turn into Pure Evil Boo, whom he definitely considers to be himself.
"Also yes buutenks does have enhanced cockiness and thats shown to us."
Could you give an example?
"I say this because we know that buu doesnt show all traits of the person he absorbed."
So are you conceding my point?
Also, I'm going to be blunt, but you probably shouldn't call people liars and idiots simply for disagreeing with you.
You miss that in the beginning of super they call kid buu the mightest enemy of all time
This should be interesting because of how some people that buuhan is the strongest and some say kidbuu is the strongest
I would still argue that super Buu is stronger that kid Buu, not even Buuhan. If ultimate gohan fought kid Buu, he would wipe the floor with him
Then why not bring Gohan to Supreme Kai world instead of using the spirit bomb if he could kill Kid Buu so easily? They had already wished to revive everyone, use the next wish to bring Gohan there to mop the floor.
I think it’s more likely Kid Buu = Ultimate Gohan, but would win due to Buu’s stamina being so high.
@@jezkerjamez7110Becuase its more epic,by the time goku realized he cant keep the form he didnt have energy to teleport back
@ I’m talking about Gohan not Goku. Also they could teleport Gohan with the dragon balls. They didn’t need Goku to get him there
Nope. It stated multiple times that if Goku was defeated the universe would be destroyed, meaning Gohan wouldn't be able to stand in his way
Ultimate gohan would get embarrassed more than what happened against buutenks
At 1:55 I do have one thing that may change this argument. You say in the manga base vegito>>>buuhan. However the claims you made especially the statements from vegito don’t really specifiy that he overdid it. Also old Kai was referring to the fact that Goku and gohan would not need to be ssj as gohan was stronger than at least vegeta
This video got to be a joke. 😂
Strength KID BUU
Power BUHAN
Endurance BUHAN
Durability KID BUU
Defense BUHAN
Offense KID BUU
DC KID BUU
AC BUHAN
Abilities BOTH
HAX KID BUU
IQ BUHAN
KNOWLEDGE BUHAN
BQ BUHAN
Experience BUHAN
STAMINA BUHAN
SPEED BUHAN
AGILITY KID BUU
REFLEX KID BUU
REACTION SPEED KID BUU
FEAT BOTH
(possible,if kid buu were to absorb them, kidbuuhan>kidbuutenks>)Buuhan>buutenks>kid buu>super buu>fat buu
Do dragon ball fans not consider that if kid buu was that much weaker than ult gohan, goku wouldve just teleported him to kid buu to finish him? Why would there be an emphasis of the spirit bomb needing to kill buu if ult gohan is enough? Kid buu even pushed the same spirit bomb.
@@lordraiden7397 because gohan wasn't at fp he was being revived like only minutes after his death in which he was considered unable to fight boo in the state (super boo)
@@ohhellwhereami2574It was never established that being revived significantly nerfs your power. Vegeta nor Goku making a comments on Vegeta needing to eat a senzu bean or anything to recover his power after he revived for example. Gohan just wasn't strong enough to defeat Kid Buu in general
@ItsB1998 what??? This is what lower attention span does to fckers
Goku himself * said around kid boo fight that being revived didn't restore proud pince energy so should be the same case for Gohan as before being killed he was weak enough to not even being awake or fight super boo after their escape
@@ItsB1998 ummmmm
@@ItsB1998 goku : you haven't recover energy vegeta after being revived (during kid boo fight) 😭😭😭😭
this is why youre washed bro
Shut up.
Wdym
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ Episode 278
20min59sec mark
Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!"
Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
" *But But But tHeY cHoSe To fUsE aGaInSt Buuhan!* "
(Even though Vegeta was very reluctant to do so mind you)
*SSJ3 Goku fights Kid Buu*
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DBZ Episode 277
Sub " Maybe I've been trying too much to look cool. I thought things would go better than this!"
DBZ Kai episode 160
"Shoot! Maybe ive been playing things too cool! I thought i could handle it better than this"
DB Chapter 510 pg 12
Goku - "He'd be no problem if we used the potara! Guess I was a bit too cocky...I thought this would work!"
Interviewer: In several parts of Dragon Ball, *THE MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER IS ACTUALLY THE SMALLEST, CUTEST, AND YOUNGEST LOOKING*
For example young Goku, or Freeza, and Majin Boo in their FINAL TRANSFORMATIONS."
Akira Toriyama: *I wanted to go against the expectations that the strong ones always get stronger and bigger*
@@SuperKamiGuruuhomeless
Oh damn so you’re mad
the creator literally said buuhan was stronger
Misinformation
A lying tongue is considered a sin fam. And not that I'm planning on doing it, (cause I'm not a petty nitpicking human being) but you could genuinely be reported for spreading misinformation across the internet, including here.😭
@@mrsandman1953 bro i heard it from a video chill out. It's not that deep
@@StummyTicklePickle And you're right. Its not that serious, however to certain ppl it is.
@@mrsandman1953 the only people who will find it serious are bums who spend their day powerscaling fictional characters instead of being productive in their lives
The Most Damaging Piece of Evidence u forgot to mention in favor of Kid Buu Being The Strongest, is this..
The Spirit Bomb. Goku collected “ki” energy from all the Z fighters. SSJ3 Gotenks & Gohan included. Goku stated, verbatim “Is this all there is? It’s not Strong enough to beat Buu!!!” What do we have here? Gotenks & Gohan’s “ki” energy did absolutely nothin, to make the Genki-Dama Stronger than Kid Buu.
This facilitates why Vegeta turned down Goku’s request to bring the boys. Vegeta felt all of their power levels from Otherworld. In this moment, determined SSJ3 Goku is far Stronger than both SSJ3 Gotenks & Base Form Gohan Inner Potential Unlocked. That’s it, right there.
Goku does not scale to Kid Buu, Buuhan & Buutenks. All of them are far beyond Goku. Kid Buu loves to fight. Evidence that shows Kid Buu greatly altering his power level is based on his fight with SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Majin Vegeta, Fat Buu & Mr. Satan. Kid Buu was heavily suppressed when he fought all of them, at different power levels.
Also, I wanted to correct u on tidbit. When it came to The Frieza Arc. The Spirit Bomb (72 Mill or 75 Mill) was Stronger than Final Form Frieza 50% 60 Mill.
The Spirit Bomb tells Goku when it is more Powerful than his Opponent. The only reason why Frieza survived is bcuz he was hiding far more power. Being suppressed is what saved Frieza.
If all Final Form Frieza had was 60 Million. He would’ve died on the spot. He himself thought he was dead. If not for his inner power 120 million.. higher than The Spirit Bomb 72 mill or 75 mill. Essentially Frieza lucked out. Exceptionally Great Vid!!! Kid Buu For Da Win!!!
And then they claim that it doesn’t take KI Energy 😂 it’s sad
The genkidama only takes a little bit of energy from the people not all
@@usuario15965Goku literally said it was all of their energy 😑 the cope is immeasurable at this point
Not even the spirit bomb should kill Kid Buu, the Supreme Kais by lore should have been way above the Z-Fighters at this point, the best that can said about Kid Buu dying to it is how like Gohan, they got out of shape, with Kid Buu resting for a long time, but was way stronger back then.
@arkfounder7056 Nope, it is told in the back story connecting in real time with Buu Arc events. The Supreme Kai was consistently baffled and surprised at how strong the Saiyan race is.
This highlights that out of all the members of his race, from Strongest to Weakest, the Kaioshin are nothing compared to the Power Level of all The Z fighters who fought in The Cell Games. Shin constantly underestimated them but overestimated their opponents, and was proven wrong a plethora of times. So whenever one of the Z fighters specifically one of the Saiyans defeated one of the wizards minions. And they were extremely powerful. They were nothing compared to The Saiyans. This shocked and confused both The Kaioshin, The Wizard, and his Majin minions. Who were Powerful in their own right. But are ants compared to The Saiyan Z fighters.
Unlike other race of Beings, The Kaioshin don’t digress in power even if they stop training. Bcuz they have Divine “ki”. This must be the case bcuz we never see any of the 12 G.O.D. train to get Stronger. Bcuz they are connected, Kaioshin to God Of Destruction, this inherent ability in Kaioshin must extend to The 12 G.O.D. God “ki” aka Divine “ki” is a special type of “ki” energy that all Divine Beings posses, it is exceptionally beyond mortal “ki” energy.
The only person The supreme Kai was stronger than is Final Form Frieza from The Frieza Arc. This is not impressive To the Z fighters. Why? All of The Z fighters except Master Roshi & Chaotzu, are Eons Stronger than F.F.F & Super Saiyan Goku on Namek.
This is narratively true when Krillin said about The Supreme Kai’s Power Level.. “Your not talkin about him are you? Even I could beat him.” Then he proceeded to laugh. Piccolo had the utmost respect for the supreme Kai because he could sense the divine power within him, as well as Shin’s Divine Hierarchy. This is due to the memories of Kami, within Piccolo. Piccolo is not marveling at Shin’s power level, he was shocked and surprised because he was in the presence of a Divine Being. In Daima, we learn Namekians are in fact Demons. Who else would be able to better sense the presence of a divine being? Kami was a Divine Demon. Piccolo inherited that divinity when he absorbed Kami.
Anytime Krillin, Yamcha or Tienshinhan state somebody is weak. That is an understatement, because there are not many characters, currently, who can beat them. Since The supreme Kai was always the weakest, and we can say he scales to or is greater than Final Form Frieza and SSJ Goku on Namek. For the argument or at least for this conversation we’re going to place the supreme Kai stronger than Super Saiyan Goku on Namek.
But still in the same realm of power. The Hundred Millions Place Value. So placing him anywhere between the range of 300 Million - 900 million is suitable. What about The rest of The Kaioshin? The weakest Androids, No 19. & No.20 (Dr. Gero) are Massively Stronger than Mecha Frieza. The Cell Arc starts the Androids win the High Tier Hundred Millions Place Value to The Ones, Billions Place Value.
The Rest of The Kaioshin easily to or lesser than Androids 17 & 18 in the Cell Arc. Even Android 16. Who scales to an upgraded Imperfect Cell. Once we go into Semi-Perfect Cell territory. That is beyond all The Kaioshin’s Power.
Remember, The Original & Most Powerful Majin Buu always suppressed his Power Level vs Fighters he scaled far beyond. We see this happen with Goku, Vegeta, Fat Buu & Mr. Satan. All of em have different power levels. Kid Buu greatly suppressed himself to their levels. Even if he was just a bit Stronger. The point is Kid Buu heavily suppressed himself to or around their power level.. But why? Being The Most Pure Evil Buu. Kid Buu is identical to Goku. He loves to fight. Goku doesn’t take pride in outright beating opponents he knows he’s Stronger than. Goku Loves the experience of fighting. Kid Buu shares this same Love for fighting. Kid Buu does it in a twisted way.. He lowers his power level just enough, to show his opponent, than he himself was always Stronger. He wants to drive it into his opponent, that they are an anti compared to them. He does this by givin them false hope that they can beat him. Then after they realize, they never stood a chance. He goes in for the kill. Kid Buu vs Vegeta & Mr. Satan is the perfect example.
The Spirit Bomb/ Genki-Dama is a Godly Technique that communicates with the user when the “ki” ball or “ki” sphere is Stronger than the opponent. Good energy can communicate with good energy. Once that happens, Goku then launches the attack at said opponent. King Kai warned Goku not to collect more “ki” energy than necessary to defeat his opponent. 1) So Goku would not destroy the planet he is on in the process. 2) so Goku would not die in his own attack.
When it comes to any villain in DBZ. The Power/ Strength of the “ki” wave or sphere is not always connected to the size of it. To Be Stronger than the opponent.
By your logic Kid Buu is Stronger than all “ki” energy in existence on Earth, the entire universe and in Otherworld. That’s just not true. He’d be a God of Destruction at that point. We know they can destroy the universe as easily as The Z fighters could destroy planets when they were far weaker. He simpy chooses not to. Why? Kid Buu loves to fight. His entire life, he has been searching for a challenge. Kid Buu was afraid when Goku completed The Spirit Bomb. Showcasing fear is evident Kid Buu could be evaporated by that Massive Level of “ki.” Kid Buu was so Strong he could push it back. This is bcuz Goku literally had no Power to Push back. Goku is Pure Good, therefore his connection to the Spirit Bomb is higher than Kid Buu. Kid Buu has Evil “ki”, him pushing back the Spirit Bomb should not be possible bcuz it is evil “ki” vs good “ki”. Once Goku got his Power replenished, he was able to regain his special connection to the Genki-Dama and destroy Kid Buu.
Im late gang but my reason for why buuhan solos kid boo in power:
1) Buuhan >super buu meta
Super buu casually folded ssj 2 goku and vegeta to point he thinks they have no energy left , vegeta even states in shock he should have fused when he sees super buu from "inside " Negating any argument regarding that he was scared to face him out which isn't the case, doesn't make same fuss about kid boo
Goku also says they can't beat him, clearance this is before super buu said they are small as fly here dampening thier power, ao goku wasn't aware about it
2) kid boo being "ichibai yakkai" Meta
Which can mean top troublesome, he's stated as this both by narrator and kais both qhen he's first introduced implying he's actually supposed to be troublemsome from start, on later there's only one statement by narrator that may contradict this which is kid boo is most powerful /best enemy but regarding how much early emphasis is put onto his dangerous behavior ut might be a misleading narration as it would contradict itself, there's also kid boo being stated stronger than boo but y'all gotta remember this is during kid boo vs good boo flashack narration mostly declaring kid boo superior over good boo as a recap nothing else
It's not most tough meta but it has its merit
3) Kid boo spirit bomb fearing early spirit bomb meta
Kid boo actually reacts to early SB in anger and frustation which is powered up by gohan i might add now you can say that just shows that he is slightly intimate by gohan not really overclass *BUTT* goku did say about newly reborn vegeta that he still hasn't recovered energy after being revived which confirms that being revived doesn't really refill energy it only changes your soul location to exist on mortal realm we don't know how much it dampen his power but he was unable to go into ssj state so 50× or higher debuff makes sense which would applyfor gohan as well bear in mind that gohan dying is only a few minutes apart from kid boo fight so realistically he shouldn't have heal by now because we even see goten and trunks who should be more healthy or same as gohan can't go ssj or even fuse to provide fusion genki certainly soldifiying my thesis that gohan is indeed nerfed we can even say he wasn't in ultimate form as his hair seem to be a lot more unstick to each other, so inhindsight gohan donted energy while weakened was enough to outrage and make boo fear to not intervene in the SB directly weaker gohan by the way might even be base.....
4) goku suggests db usagae is early meta
Goku suggest db usage a little too early despite being drained to his limit otherwise may be his intention to bring back gohan with restored power to fight boo now counter argument can be about he wants to recharge maybe himself but that would be contradictory itself since goku never seem to use db for himself till vegeta wishing for goku humse it would have crosses his mind but didn't so it's definitely gohan he's talking about since they cant fuse anymore
5) In verse contradiction meta (my final might update)
Buuhan clearly remembers he doesn't have sentience when good boo is removed so he to some degree is awarw about kai absorption so if can't gauge his (kid boo) power than he can at least measure kai power boo fought who even forced boo into substituting in order to absorb them , so his being strongest boo makes sense otherwise how it would make sense that he's saying the obvious like we know boo gets stronger through absorption
Also supreme kai mention his power was reduces in order to contain him with that addition of "heart " Of kai which may to some degree confirm previously to that he was getting stronger only got softer through good kai absorption which essentially made him weaker so power reduction really doesn't work to define the obvious kid boo>all boo meta
Old kai mumbling that with combined effort of goku and vegeta they can beat kid boo he has seen ssj 3 so valid to some degree and he's one to state kid boo powers so unlike for buuhan he thinks they can probably best him without fusion (this anime only but)
You Kid Buu fanboys can make a million videos explaining why you think he's stronger than Buuhan (even base Super Buu for that matter) and it still wouldn't convince me. 🤣🤣🤣And Vegito never stated he didn't need SSJ against Buu either.. no where on that scan did he say that. Even if you wanna go by the anime, Buuhan is much stronger than his manga counterpart due to that temper tantrum he threw when SSJ Vegito was whooping his ass. The ladder had to actually TRY in order to stop the dimensions from collapsing. Kid Buu never performed such a feat. Let's also not act like Buutenks didn't tell Gohan he was "the strongest majin born".
nga heard the first 30 secs of the vid and just ran to the comments. he literally says he thought he would be more powerful hence why he turned super saiyan BUT HE WAS WRONG. implying he didn't need it. ur also nitpicking and skipping over elder kai's confirmation. Vegito literally didn't need to try sped, watch the video. you see buuhan attack vegito with that power and vegito was effortlessly slamming still. As for "kid buu never performing such feat" he's stated to make the universe go poof. which implies all at once and sudden. So who scales higher? the guy who can wipe out the universe suddenly or the guy that needs a rage amp to destroy the universe piece by piece? ur pathetic either watch the video fully or debate me. discord is hystor1c.
Ok for starters, how would Super Buu be stronger than Kid Buu when he got molly whopped by Ultimate Gohan who is way weaker than Goku?
Secondly, whether Its the anime or manga, Vegito didn't even need SSJ to rock Buuhan badly.
Thirdly, the feat that you mentioned is a overtime chain reaction while it was preformed by him being EXTREMELY pissed off
Meanwhile Kid Buu: Pushes back the Universal Spirit Bomb, implied that he's capable of blowing up the entire living world, making it gone in a poof if Goku loses against him, was even said that he'll destroy the Afterlife, threatens the Grand Kai's world which is calculated to be the equivalent to destroying the observable universe in octillions of times over, literally have a plethora of statements backing him up being the mightest one with Toriyama HIMSELF openly admits to this idea.
Then when it couldn't be anymore clear- Koyama (the literal chief screen writer of the show) repeated himself NUMEOUS TIMES for this being the case all along.
Its not about how many that one has absorbed. Its about which character is the most evil. THAT'S the true source of their power. Otherwise Vegeta would've never point out how Buu's power was actually increasing instead of decreasing after losing all the Z fighters in his body.
Now why is that? Well there's another statement outside of anime & manga material that only further supports this (forgot where its from) But bear in mind that we're talking about demonic beings.
Just have to put 2 n 2 together 👍🏼
He isn't deemed the most dangerous / purest form for nothing.
Oh, and not to mention "the strongest majin born" wouldn't be in reference to Kid Buu because 1. He doesn't have memory of him 2. This is coming from the same person who has two of the most arrogant saiyans with that being Gotenks & Gohan. Buuhan was pretty arrogant against Vegito and it hasn't gotten him anywhere.
The series emphazied on this problem
@@mrsandman1953gohan isn’t weaker then goku tho. Gohan >> base super buu >>> Ssj3 goku ~ kid buu
I saw your argument with someone and you said that Goku and vegeta still got zenkais throughout the buu saga. After fusion, and after being brought to life.
How would this make sense when during the cell saga it is made abundantly clear that a lot of the sayians don’t recieve that boost in power after getting beat tf up.
This is shown with super vegeta vs cell. Trunks vs cell. Some other moments. But it doesn’t make sense to bring zenkais into this
@@joshuameraz2826 yea no, you weren't paying attention. that's never said. Vegeta got a boost but it wasn't enough. That's all.
@@hystor1cthe boost your talkin about is it from being brought to life or not?
If so why did he get a power boost?
THANK YOU!!! I’m so glad that there are dragon ball fans out there who have sense. Buuhan fans only think he is the strongest because they’re Gohan fanboys who believe ultimate gohan was the strongest thing ever. I myself have shown people the same evidence you have and they literally ignore it, double down, or try to hide behind the manga as if it negates everything. But when I show scans of Kid Buu’s power was increasing beyond what it was when he was Buuhan, they claim I’m taking it out of context or some other nonsense. I’ve actually seen these people try and deny author statements, attack Toriyama, and say DBS is non-canon because it called Goku and Kid Buu the strongest. It’s actually fascinating the mental gymnastics Buuhan fans suffer from. even the fact that the authors and writers of the show saying Kid Buu is the strongest is not enough for them is insane.
Dude relax hes wrong
@@SuperiorGokuGT Gohan was strongest thing ever because of his contribution in boo, vegito base couldn't finish him off
Nobody attacked Toriyama what??????????????????????
Dbs non canon what?????
@@usuario15965Nope he's right
Gt is for sure non canon cope hard
@@Fierno0582GT is canon
Does Kid Buu beat Vegito? 🤦🏾♂🤦🏾♂
When Goku and Vegeta talked about using dragon balls, Goku thought WITH RELIEF they will let Gohan fight and it was said as if Gohan could do it easily. Saiyan duo didn't decide to fight Kid Buu themselves because it was last resort, no, they were fighting for themselves, to prove themselves, test their abilities and they KNEW their levels of power was approximate to Kid Buu's. Unlike Buuhan with whom they would NOT stand a chance without fusion.
@@metal87power also gohan was still weakened as he died only few minutes prior to kid boo fight which goku backs up that being revive doesn't restore energy
So gohan was at his weakest
His is pretty much strictly anime only kid buu and buuhan. Nothing said really applies to the manga as Gohan wasn't cocky in the manga and he no diffed Super Buu but Gotenks cooked
Every one. Also the kid buu kills everyone because Gohan already died when earth was destroyed. Manga and Toriyama interpretation has Gohan and Buuhan as the strongest while Anime heavily implies the reverse
THE GOAT UPLOADED
lot of delusional dbz fans. Isn't even worth debating over. It's as clear as night and day
Koyama blatatly said the opposite 💀
Koyama went back on that statement and said he was referring to the transformations 😂 and you’re a hypocrite; Koyama also stated Kid Buu was the strongest. Hystor1c sent it in the video.
@@SuperiorGokuGT Koyama never said that; Koyama also clarified it was a mistranslation when he stated Kid Buu was the strongest
Kid buu is stronger people cry about it people goku got a huge zenkai boost after splitimg from vegeta also inside buus body goku in just ssj was fighting and overwelming ultimate gohan the same ultimate gohan who was stated as strong as he was pre absorbed also kid buu was threatening the kai planet which was heaven with a simple ki blast the samw heaven which was as large as the living universe where it needed a buuhan showting and gettimg very angry and exerting actual effort to do it overtime
This was a very bad video, this is why i only stick to Seth vids. He explained why kidd buu wins much better. Sorry man.
@@heroricspiritfreinen38 i really didn't ask
Nah disagree ,This is an excellent video. Although I completely disagree with the points made, it presents the best argument I’ve heard so far for why Kid Buu could be considered stronger than Buuhan.
U probably a pedo like seth😂
@@Mypic-isnot-what-it-looks-likechill bro 😭
@@ItsB1998 my comment got deleted bruh
There are two arguments worth mentioning in Kid Buu's favor as well
Where Super Buu literally told Vegeta when he saw him about to separate the fat Buu from him that if he separated the fat Buu from him he would not remain the same
Which means Super Buu does not see Kid Buu as the same person as him
Which means all of Super Buu's statements that he is in his strongest state do not include Kid Buu
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There is a guidebook saying that Bohan is the strongest Majin Buu
The guidebook's name is Forever Guide
But this is an argument against Bohan
Because one of the arguments of Bohan fans is that Bohan is not Majin Buu but a fusion of several people which means that the anime's statements about Kid Buu being the strongest Majin Buu do not include Bohan
But thanks to this statement from the guidebook it was confirmed that Bohan is Majin Buu
As for Bohan being the strongest Majin Buu, this was only at that time because Kid Buu appeared after him and took the title from him in the anime
I agree in the anime base vegito>buuhan but i dont think he would be able to stop buuhan's vice shout in base as he needed to power up further in ssj to stop it ill go on about the manga Ssj vegito absolutely demolishes buuhan but ssj is a big 50x on base and i didnt find the page where vegito said he wouldn't need ssj to defeat buuhan so i'd put base vegito~buuhan in the manga
Ssj3 goku and kid buu were fighting evenly in the manga what kid buu had mostly over goku was stamina even if kid is stronger than goku he is not astronomically stronger than him when goku says kid buu is stronfer than they thought vegeta reassures goku he is too, not putting kid buu in a whole different level than kid buu and he can sense ki they also both agree that if goku built his ki as a ssj3 he would obliterate kid buu in an instant but goku could not do that during the fight so he also was not at full power i dont follow guides much as they contradict each other alot and if goku was dead not alive his chances of defeating kid buu would be way higher but i agree its very stupid to say kid buu cannot hold back.
Super buu does remember kid buu,he states that if fat buu is taken out he wont be himself anymore he knew fat buu wasn't original buu and he knew there was someone crazy and mindless as the original buu which is kid buu he literally foreshadows him its not just anything this part is up for speculation but in the narrative he foreshadows kid buu..also yes gotenks is very cocky and buutenks inherited that cockiness but what he also inherited are piccolo's brains which play as much as a part as gotenks did as he fights stratigically and plays mind games with gohan he becomes an intelligent villain like cell piccolo's intelligence would not have buutenks state that he was mightiest majin past present future if he wasn't
Also yes size does weaken you but goku is shown to be surprised goten trunks piccolo and gohan are back to normal because they were absorbed by buu he dosent say him or vegeta and if in goku's mind it would be like that then he would think him and vegeta would have to get dragon balls to return back to normal size which he shows little to no worry of also if u go by the scaling of the beginning of buu saga Goku left the whole earth in the hands of a pre rosat ssj or maybe even hypothetical ss2 gotenks to defeat fat buu which if goku tried himself he would end up like vegeta and gohan then gotenks gets further stronger and super buu is on par with a ss3 gotenks also super buu's ki was sensed across the universe just like ss3 goku when goku said kid buu would kill everyone if hercule and dende hadnt been there its because when ur back to life ur ki isnt fully restored also gohan and the others were unconscious and were very weak had they been there they wouldn't have enough strength to fight kid buu and when you said goku is dissapointed at the fact gohan can take buucolo is ur interpretation my intepreration is that it was originally gohan's fight and goku would help after fusing with gohan but after buutenks defused goku would have no longer reason to help which is why he goes back to base and he does not include himself that he could beat super buucolo because he couldnt
Koyama stated that super buu gohan absorbed was the strongest aswell he said one of his statements was a mistake which i think was the kid buu one also kid buu is stated as strongest enemy as majin buu they are not like us fans that differentiate them as kid buu,buuhan buutenks they only think of them as majin buu and the reason goku did not reincarnate uub with strength of buuhan is because he has no respects for buuhan's strength buuhan is a fusion and stole his son's power he isnt gonna respect that super buu is also a fusion he isnt gonna respect that too he respects kid buu the most and this is the reason he fights him alone is because kid buu is unfused and fights with his own power which is what goku respects even with moro he didn't respect his strength because he stole it and goku asked if he trained for a day but he didn't which goku was dissappointed its similar to buuhan and kid buu
I think the strongest buu is how u interpret and i strongly believe buutenks would defeat both ss3 goku and ult gohan together as elder kai has no reason to overstimate him and nothing says otherwise.
i'm not responding to long essays you can simply add my discord and debate there. Discord is my name
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You really don't need to say much...Buuhan absorbed people and got stronger, kid buu is the result of loosing all he absorbed, he literally would get weaker if he looses his absorbed strength. It's commen sense
Here we go again, using these garbage and classic arguments 💀 Kid Buu is stated to have gotten stronger instead of weaker, and the absorptions were outright stated to have been making him weaker. Kai Debuff > Saiyan Buffs
“Common sense” so the pink bubblegum monster who can turn you into candy, shoot lasers out of his hands, fly in the sky, and rip pieces of gum out of his body needs conventional logic? 😂 that’s an argument from incredulity
There is not a single line of dialogue via the anime or manga that states the reason they can’t beat super buu is because of there size .
To take what is said ina guide book , which by the way no guide book gives an official amount of how much weaker they’re . .and to extrapolate that to Goku and vegeta being on the level of super buu is an insane take . Pure fan speculation.
Super Buu: "You can't beat me not as you are *now*"
lord the cope is insane. it's like you show the panels and scans in vid and they still can't accept their loss
@@hystor1c you didn’t show any scan that states there 100x weaker .
yes i did watch the vid bro
@@hystor1c provide the minute mark?
Buuhan stans only argument is Goku saying he was scared of fighting super buu when
1) Goku had no idea if he would return back to his original size after leaving buu’s body
2) Goku was underestimating himself severely 😂
The most likely answer is (1) because Goku DE-TRANSFORM in front of buucollo, who is STRONGER than super buu.
He also was confident that he was capable of holding off buutenks long enough for gohan to pick up that damn earring but he is suddenly scared of facing super buu alone???
Actually you could possibly argue piccolo didn’t really give him power but more brains as that is why he wanted to absorb piccolo
Super buu is still more powerful than ssj3 goku. That's why when buu changes back from gohan absorbed to base super buu goku argues to vegeta that he's more powerful than both of them. But regardless the only point that anyone can make about kid buu being stronger is only in the anime, where some lines contradict other statements and feats. In the manga there is no grey area between buuhan and kid buu, and they make it clear that buuhan is superior, but in the anime they call kid buu the strongest in multiple lines. Maybe we can assume its to emphasize or put more tension towards the final villain of the season, since dbz does that a lot. But there are also a lot of plot holes because of this. Like you stated, Goku outright refuses to even fight with Buuhan, even going as far as to almost fuse with Satan, but when it comes to kid buu, he's a lot more confident on his own abilities and crushes his potara. If kid buu were to be stronger than buuhan, what would make goku act the way that he did? How would he attain the power equal or greater than a fusion in an hour or so? Did he learn some new technique or transformation? No, since this is in the same arc that cant be possible. Did he get a zenkai boost? No, him and vegeta weren't in near death situations and weren't gravely injured, and a zenkai boost giving someone more strength than a fusion is impossible. So considering these common questions, its like they showed us that buuhan is stronger but going off exact statements, one can assume in the anime that kid buu is stronger. It looks like to me a lot of confusion from the anime not really the fans
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1) Dragon book Z vol.7 calls kid buu the STRONGEST BUU
2) Toriyama interview about making his final and STRONGEST characters the smallest.
Frieza was the strongest villain in namek
Gohan was the strongest character in the cell saga
Kid buu is the strongest in the buu saga
3) dragon ball super chapter 31
4) Anime statements
5) Dragon ball super chapter 1 summary of what has happened thus far. Again calling kid buu the STRONGEST MAJIN BUU 💀
The copium is insane but let’s keep going
6) The screen writer for dragon ball Z.
7) V-jump guide
@ all sources that support kid buu is the strongest
@zaenem so you didn't watch the video? gotcha
Buuhan more stronger but kid buu is more dangerous and unpredictable/crazy
Not this saying again
Kid was stated to be more powerful and dangerous
buuhan is clearly stronger... if buu who absorbed gohan and ssj3 gotenks and piccolo and fat buu isnt strong enough to beat vegito ssj2 you think kid buu is beating super saiyan vegito are you mad...
@@tommygreengus4595 You'd have to be the mad one for trying to insinuate something that he already openly disagrees with💀 also Vegito never used SSJ2
@@mrsandman1953 wait what are u saying
@@tommygreengus4595 He doesn't think Kid Buu can beat Vegito. No one in the show is stepping to him period.
glad we can agree
@@tommygreengus4595 Yea, bro's a beast😭.
Buuhan>kid. Kid>super
come debate today then
I mentioned this on another video I can't recall right now, but Kid Buu being stronger than *any* upgraded version of Super Buu doesn't make any sense regardless of what the anime says.
If Kid Buu was stronger than Buuhan, Goku and Vegeta would've had to fuse again or they would've been slaughtered. Unless of course, Goku and Vegeta got a gigantic boost in power out of nowhere to get close enough to this hypothetical roided out Kid Buu to avoid getting killed in one shot. Or, absorbing Gohan and the others made Buu weaker somehow even though we're shown and told explicitly that isn't the case.
The reason Buuhan being stronger than Kid Buu works is because you don't have to twist the story into a pretzel to make it make sense. "Oh, Buu doesn't have the power of Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo, or the kids anymore. And Goku can duel him alone again. He's clearly weaker now."
Goku got a boost in strength from the extra fighting he does in the anime yes
@@ItsB1998 How? He wasn't continously breaking his limits T.O.P. style at the time and no training was done at any point. Hell, he didn't even really fight Buutenks so much as try to stall for a few seconds while Gohan was trying to fuse with him. If he *somehow* grew stronger from that little scrap (let alone enough to deal with the aforementioned hypothetical Kid Buu), then that section of the anime makes even less sense than I thought.
@@NineNovem Goku and Vegeta rose to potara level within minutes just from getting their ass beat by merged zamasu. It's not really good writing but that type of quicker growth is something that has been established for the Saiyans
@@ItsB1998 Yes, but that was a Super era concept. Hell, you could even say it originated in the Battle of Gods movie since Goku and Vegeta grew a lot in that movie for different reasons (Godly power and extreme anger respectively). But trying to apply similar rules to DBZ retroactively doesn't work very well because the rules were very different then. I mean, Gohan had just been healed by Dende just minutes before Goku showed up to try and fuse with him and Buu straight up told Gohan that his power didn't increase at all despite how badly he was beaten.
Yeah, if we followed Super rules, he he could've gone Beast if Buu tried to provoke him (say he kills Piccolo in front of him rather than absorbing him). But under the old rules, that wouldn't be possible. Incidentally, that's also why Buu having Godly ki was so weird to people when it was first mentioned. It brings up a long list of annoying questions that we're probably never gonna get answers to. Could Kid Buu use godly ki? Was he using it the whole time or was it just sitting there doing nothing? Do the other Buus have it too? Why did Shin, a god, not mention something so important?
This is why i dont take Dragon Ball seriously when it comes to powerscaling. Anime contradicts the manga, vice versa & characters contradict themselves. Rip toriyama, but db can be a huge a mess.
Buuhan > Kid buu tho. It narratively makes zero sense for Goku to go from having a panic attack and being so desperate that'd he be willing to fuse with Hercule against Buuhan, still being afraid to fight super buu, then trading blows with kid buu.
How does losing all his absorptions, make Buu stronger? Everytime buu absorbed the z fighters, he gained more power. When gotenks defused inside him he lost power, when he lost the rest of the z fighters he lost power and reverted to super buu. See the theme? The only argument i could see is Kid buu possibly being stronger than regular super buu, but buuhan? No chance.
Super buu clearly knew exactly what would happen if they ripped out fat buu. You're downplaying this like he is just stating he wouldn't be himself, but don't take into account how he knows that will happen. I believe its far more likely that he knows about Kid buu than you're downplaying
Yeah basically
just debate in the live today. this is simply cope. like all you did was go nuh uh and then give your interpretation😭
@@hystor1c Just a thought, why would a being have an ability that makes them weaker? It doesn't add up.
You are clearly arguing for different sources that aren't consistent with each other and contradict each other constantly, making this video pointless.
@hystor1c I'm not debating in your live when you clearly don't even read so I'll break it down for you a step further.
Answer this question for me. How can you know about something you have no knowledge of to begin with?
If I tell a blind man that apples are red, how can he possibly know what "red" looks like?
Apply this same logic to buu warning Goku & Vegeta what would happen if they ripped out fat buu and it's pretty damn obvious that he knows exactly what Kid buu is. Takes 3 seconds
How are they even going to say buuhan scales to vegito when vegito didn’t even know how powerful he was??
Vegito was shocked at the extent of his power and even then, said he didn’t even need ss against buuhan.
Dragon ball fans can’t read 😭. PLS READ BUUHAN FANS. IF YOU READ/WATCH THE SHOW, you will understand.
The guy who went on a tantrum and nearly destroyed the universe is less chaotic and destructive than the insane maniac that ACTIVELY suppressed him to have fun???
Buuhan fans reaching for the stars 💀
Super Buu was on Earth for multiple chapters, and only thought to destroy the environment around him when he was at the _very cusp_ of losing to someone stronger than himself. Kid Buu was on Earth for less than one chapter and immediately boomed the planet.
You really think Super Buu wasn't suppressing himself when he was literally _sleeping_ waiting for Gohan?
Who’s more dangerous, someone that was severely enraged and used that anger to try to destory the universe, or someone who was calm and collective while blowing up a planet at random for no reason soon as he comes into fruition? If ur gonna compare something make sure it’s equivalent lol. super buu was rational, u could reason with him ( picolo did), buuhan allowed goku to find a fusing partner etc. there’s none of that with kid buu he’s a mind less pure evil killing machine
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Kidbuu>> Buu han
Kid Buu was the most formidable because he was unpredictable, he had his own chaotic and whimsical style of fighting unlike more rational, but also redundant and easier to read Buu who had abilities of well-known fighters.
nice nitpick and pure avoidance of what was presented in the vid bud
literally the entire arc was about how strong fusions were, and absorbtions were buus version of fusion, when buu became buuhan no unfused character would be able to beat him on their own, thats why goku had to fuse, he had no other option, when buu became kid buu, he wasnt fused anymore, so goku saw it as an equal fight and thought he could beat him. i think smaller channels like this guy have to be against the popular opinion, no matter how illogical it is, i understand the youtube game, but this is all still nonsense.
Fun fact, kid boo is explicitly stated to be the strongest buu in the anime. Kid boo being the strongest is literally the default
@@ItsB1998
Ssj vegito >> base vegito >= buuhan >> buutenks >> ultimate gohan >> ssj3 Gotenks ~ base super buu >>> Ssj3 goku ~ kid buu
@@MadaraUchiha-tx7pv Ssj vegito >> base vegito >= Kid Buu > SSJ3 Goku > buuhan >> buutenks >> ultimate gohan >> ssj3 Gotenks ~ base super buu >>>
@@ItsB1998 Ssj3 goku isn’t anywhere near buuhan, he’s inferior to all forms of super buu.
@MadaraUchiha-tx7pv Originally it was, but Goku got stronger in the arc and surpassed all the Buu's apart from Kid Buu
People that dont believe kid buu can hold back are weird, thats like saying him emoting on vegeta was a strategy and was important to their battle. The entire time he was messing around.
Actually kid boo feeds of negative emotion him emoting to make them feel pathetic is a source to negative emotion buu desired as he's evil incarnate
You outta see how they cope over pure buu striking hercule multiple times
@@SuperKamiGuruu ☝🤓
@@SuperKamiGuruutheir cope is worse when you use Vegeta as an example. Base Vegeta would be somewhat comparable to SSJ3 Goku if Kid Buu wasn’t holding back 😂 or SSJ2 Goku would be able to throw hands with his ascended form, SSJ3
Dragon ball super manga confirms that once kid buu spit out fat buu. He retained all the grand supreme Kai’s god Ki.
That doesn't really mean anything. Super Buu literally had Fat Buu/Grand Supreme Kai inside his body and we don't even know if Kid Buu could use the Godly ki he had. Even if he was using it, he was still, at best, a bit stronger than Goku was.
@12:52 You're coping. Goku is not stronger than Ultimate Gohan. Thats common sense at this point.
What happened inside Buu.
@@PARZ90s you didn't debunk a word of what i said. that's cope gng. if you aren't going to challenge what i said in the vid please keep the coping sessions to yourself
@@hystor1c Your evidence in your video showed a screen shot that says "Goku's feelings are only understood by his fellow strongest." which in no way indicates that Goku is the strongest non-fused character. You're coping hard bro. There's already several videos debunking your points.
@ that's it? that isn't even the only piece of evidence i showed. but allow me to shit on this failed attempt at a "debunk" It is openly calling goku and vegeta the strongest as the only person to TRULY understand goku's sentiment and feelings is VEGETA. The scan is referring to Goku's feelings about fighting Kid Buu and that level of power. the only one to grasp this is vegeta
@ link me some videos debunking me😭
I kinda have my own little theory
Goku before fusing with Vegeta was weaker then Ult Gohan, but after defusing he's able to fight and beat a perfect COPY of ult gohan while inside of Buuhan.
If I remember correctly I think one of the guides says that the fake Gohan inside of Buu was just as strong as the real Gohan, and Goku after defusing beat him without ssj2 or ssj3, so I think Goku got a pretty big zenkai boost after unfusing.
Therefore Kid Buu would've actually been way stronger then Buuhan to make this newly boosted Goku go to ssj3 when Ult Gohan didn't even make him go SSJ2.
Please let me know if I messed up on this info. I'm going on memory, lolz
I like seeing buuhan vs kid buu debate because both parties rise interesting opinions, but this video is straight out shit and disrespectful and bias, one example is when undermining buuhan when he said that he is strongest majin ever and assume that he have no memory of kid buu, and taking guko saying kid buu is the strongest at face value and not taking into account that guko didn’t even fight buuhan and just gave up on fighting him, but that was not the worse part, the worse part is why guko didn’t wish for buuhan to be reincarnated instead of kid buu, like what? My guy this should be a healthy respectful debate , you are not gaining billion dollar if you won ☠️
i like comments explaining themselves but this shit was so ass. it's like your braincells gave up on you the minute you started typing. Him being the strongest majin ever PROVES NOTHING about Kid Buu as i demonstrated as he doesn't remember him. Secondly the strongest majin can simply encompass, dabura, vegeta, fat buu, skinny buu, base super buu. again you keep regurgitating bullshit you see on reddit. he put on a bluff for kid buu. He feared him as well. as for that last point you didn't even debunk anything or invalidate anything, you just bitched about it and moved on. this is sad. please stop talking
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I didn’t even try to debunk anything nor did I try to debate, I am not wasting my time debating someone full of himself, I am just showing how butthurt and hard try you are, and this reply proved more how butthurt you are
I think despite kid boo being weaker i always imagine him just outlasting anybody we have seen he's most troublesome of his bunch, so realistically he would outlast buuhan if he plays around
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ Episode 278
20min59sec mark
Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!"
Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
" *But But But tHeY cHoSe To fUsE aGaInSt Buuhan!* "
(Even though Vegeta was very reluctant to do so mind you)
*SSJ3 Goku fights Kid Buu*
↓↓↓
DBZ Episode 277
Sub " Maybe I've been trying too much to look cool. I thought things would go better than this!"
DBZ Kai episode 160
"Shoot! Maybe ive been playing things too cool! I thought i could handle it better than this"
DB Chapter 510 pg 12
Goku - "He'd be no problem if we used the potara! Guess I was a bit too cocky...I thought this would work!"
Interviewer: In several parts of Dragon Ball, *THE MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER IS ACTUALLY THE SMALLEST, CUTEST, AND YOUNGEST LOOKING*
For example young Goku, or Freeza, and Majin Boo in their FINAL TRANSFORMATIONS."
Akira Toriyama: *I wanted to go against the expectations that the strong ones always get stronger and bigger*
No lol high enough power differences is problematic for buu. Buuhan will eventually eradicate kid buu.
@@iamMildlyUpsetWithMostOfYouTub he can't tire like buuhan bruh plus he feeds off his enemy energy if they are stronger like in anime so buuhan has to be quick
@@SuperKamiGuruu get a life
Kid Buu wipes Buuhan out
Kid Buu>Buuhan has always been the case in EVERY version of the Buu saga. All the evidence shows this to being the case, Buuhan fans don't have any concrete evidence. W hystor1c.
yeah, goku competing with kid buu but being afraid of fighting base super buu makes sense retard
@@juliomedina-pq2oi Retard, you're bringing up regurgitated arguments that were addressed in the video you're commenting under. Timestamp: 10:50 They were SHRUNKEN to
You can’t be serious.. their only like 1 statement that you could even halfway argue where their is literally a dozen or more statements and feats for buuhan as well as implications
@cameronscott2938 no there aren't😭
@@hystor1c you really want me too go down the list? it may take a while
Stop encouraging these guys. People can’t debunk evidence of Kid Buu being the strongest and the evidence put in front of them that he is. Shenron could not kill Vegeta and Nappa on their way to Earth because he wasn’t strong enough. Goku simply refused himself being brought to Earth after he defeated Frieza because he told Porunga “no” because he wants to train. The reason why Super Buu is afraid to not be “himself” despite his contradictory claim of being the strongest past, present, and future is because even though Kid Buu and Super Buu are of the same race, their nature, personality, and willpower, are totally different and the one with the strongest will would inherently overwhelm the other and take over. If Super Buu was stronger, smarter, and had better experience and knew of the history of his prior battles with the Kais, Kid Buu essence would not have taken him over the way that it did and Goku would not have needed the trump card the Spirit Bomb that had the energies of the Z fighters(Gohan, piccolo, goten, and trunks) and everything in the universe if Super Saiyan 3 was enough or come up with the option of fusing after being arrogant that he can do it using ssj3. And even if Super Buu was stronger hypothetically, it is not impossible for the main saiyan characters of the story to get stronger, I mean iron sharpens iron and their fictional characters with like super endurance, potential, and energy, I mean even Bardock had gotten stronger. Even warriors who are not saiyans, like Piccolo and Android 17 have been shown to get absurd boosts in a short period of time
1:57 nowhere does vegetto state that he doesn't need super saiyan, you're forgetting that ss is a 50 times multiplier, vegetto in base could very well be weaker than buuhan and much stronger in super saiyan, also in the anime buuhan flat out tells vegetto that hes still not stronger than him in base after which he transforms, he could've been winning not because of power but because of skill
In the anime Base Vegito was beating the brakes off of Buuhan and Buu could barely damage base Vegito dude. Buuhan Also says Super Saiyan Vegeta can't beat him, his statements are just pure egotism and worth nothing
please stop nitpicking my points. He's literally saying he expected more from buuhan clearly indicating he thought he needed that power and was wrong. Elder Kai also backs this up. You also forgot in the anime that Vegito literally says his base can kill buuhan. Buuhan can cope all he wants but you see his face and you see how afraid he was. So you could keep it up with the headcanon and assumptions
It’s clear that nowhere in the manga does Vegito claim he doesn’t need Super Saiyan to defeat Buuhan. As noted, Super Saiyan 1 provides a 50x power boost, but neither the manga nor the anime ever implies such a massive difference between Vegito and Buuhan. In fact, most fans agree that Gohan was only about 2-3x stronger than Cell, and he was far more dominant in his fight against Cell than Vegito was against Buuhan.
To suggest Vegito was 5x stronger-let alone 50x-is simply unrealistic. The fight itself illustrates this; if Vegito truly had that level of superiority, he would have been able to effortlessly brush off Buuhan’s attacks, including those that threatened to tear the universe apart. Claiming that he was “holding back” stretches the argument to the point of wishful thinking.
@@hystor1c
You’re 1000% wrong when elder Kai made that statement he was referring to goku and Gohan . Vegeta wasn’t even in the picture when that statement was made .
You can’t take elder Kai statement and than use anime filler to back up your claim ,
@@hystor1c expecting more doesn't in any way mean that he could've taken care of him in base, again super saiyan is a 50 times multiplier, thats a huge boost, even if buu was twice as strong as base vegetto, in ss he could've made that statement, elder kai saying he wouldn't need super saiyan could just be his thoughts not facts, vegetto isn't the kind of person to transform unnecessarily, if he could humiliate but in base and beat him, he would've, in the manga he transforms into SS as soon as he fuses for a reason and also in the anime he NEVER says he could beat him in BASE, buu tells him he still can't say hes surpassed buu and smiles as well, hes not really afraid until later on and vegetto says let me show you then and transforms, thats a clear indication that he needed super saiyan to beat him. You're just making sentences mean what you want them to mean.
As we speak Kid Buu is 5v1’ing us, PLEASE BUUHAN SAVE US😭😭😭 WE CANT KEEP UP HES TOO STRONG, HES KINDA FOLDING US RN. FAT BUU IS LITERALLY BEING USED AS A CONDOM
WE ARE NOT DOING ANY DAMAGE PLEASEEEEE😭😭🙏🙏🙏
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