I called up Tropic Marin to ask about the balling method not expecting to talk directly to Lou. He graciously gave me an hour of his time explaining the balling method and then giving me specific recommendations for my system. Great dude!
What a great stream Dev, Thanks to both you and Lou for this! Learned more here on Carbon dosing than I ever could have searching on my own. Look forward to another visit with Lou!
I went to one of Lou's seminars at RAP it was a full house, I learned so much, and now it is here, so I can watch it over and over. I took his challenge and I. use Tropic Marine salt and I also use all-for-reef in my IM Lagoon 25.
same. ive been debating making the switch from BRS 2 part. would love to get down to a single dosing pump and single solution. i do worry about the supply chain because TM stuff always seems to be out of stock whether its on BRS or MarineDepot or wherever.
My 75 is not paced but the all in one is really working for my system. Love this stuff.Thank you Devin for helping .this was fantastic and great help .Merry Christmas 🎅
22:44 i've been looking for this information/explanation! I've been struggling with the question, why i am using TM Pro? Because it mixes clean and fast? Of course everyone says to mix your salt close to the parameters you keep your DT. I've decided i want to be at 440 CA, 8.9 DKH 1350 MAG and PH 8.5 So, changing salt mix may be in my near future.
This was a really great live stream. Really informative! I have been looking into the all for reef for a nano to cut down on some equipment and this gave me all the information I needed!
Dammit! I missed the live stream. Lou is awesome. I loved taking to him at RAP Orlando. I use CarboCalcium now, because of his information and because of the results I’ve gotten since using it. I also use tropic Marin bioactif salt. I’m a big fan of Tropic Marin.
Deven, does all for reef buffer once the levels hits a certain level? Like my cal and mag are good, my alk is a little low. My concern is if adding all for reef to help the tank with alk cause the cal and mag to increase too much or Will they buffer? It’s a 20 gal frag tank and I just got some all for reef. Thanks in advance.
Since it came out as a powder form, I’d like to know whether they found a way to make some of those traces Lou mentioned in powder form, or did they leave some out?
Online website for carbocalcium indicates to not exceed 25ml daily dosing. So does this means this method is limited to ones who wants a mixed system? For a heavy sps system, this wont work?
Great talk, I am dosing daily testing of calcium and alkalinity at the moment with some dosing of all in one Coral up. But I would like to put the dosing into the auto top off. Need to get it figured out before I go on vacation.
How do you compensate for corals consuming more alkalinity during the lights-on period than at night with carbocalcium? With normal dosing, you just reduce dosing during the night but if carbocalcim has to be metabolised before the alkalinity shows up then you cant control this.
I have watched this stream probably 4 times now. I have been wanting to switch to balling from BRS two part for so long...but then I remember that water changes also combat ionic imbalance. And so why waste another doser for balling
Sorry questions learning about dosing! How can I tell how much of all for reef I need to use? Just need to know my alk was 7.3 and my cal was 440 sal 1.026
Daren Brown the directions should give you a rough idea. But at the end of the day. Dose. Test in 24h and see where your at. If it’s up or down adjust accordingly
Could you help me out? Just started tropic marin reef aktiv im going for second week and now i recived my bright well microbacter 7 that i order long time ago, can i use them together? Thanks
In the UK TMC do 3 types of reef salts pro ...bio...and a bog standard reef salt and been using pro reef for a year and it never mixed like they say dkh it's actualy 9.5 to 10.5 heated mag 1500 calc over 550 the companies lie Iam thinking of getting fish and buffing it my self
So he mentioned adding trace a and trace k to the carbo calcium but didnt mentioned the ratio in which to add it. If I bought the 1400g carbo calcium powder and made the full 10L how many mls of trace a and k should I add?
1 liter Recipe & Directions Step 1: Starting with a clean container with at least 1 liter capacity, add 750 mL RODI water. Room temp water is ok, but warm water will help dissolve the powder more quickly. Step 2: Slowly add 140g CarboCalcium powder, stir continually. Step 3: Add 100 ml Pro-Trace A- Step 4: Add 100 ml Pro-Trace K+ Step 5: Keep stirring. It can take some time for the solution to be clear. Estimate ~20 mins. This is off BRS web page. Look at the DIY all for reef. Same as that minusthe bio mag. Hope this helps.
I mean development in the last year for reef products has really boomed. Things are always changing and maybe at that time it wasn’t a viable option but after some development it now is.
First let me say great video. However, here's what aggravates me about this hobby. You hear the 'experts' discuss the usage of their products, but often end up just creating confusion for the customer. When the BRS guys did their last 2-part dosing video just a few months ago, they mentioned speaking with the Tropic Marin folks and was told by them that you can dose the Balling Part C to the BRS 2-part to add trace elements. Now this gentleman is stating that the Part C is NOT used to supplement trace elements, but to "add" them instead, and to use Trace A & K to "supplement" the trace elements. I bought 3 boxes of the Part C thinking that I could use it along with the Carbo-Calcium to maintain trace elements. These guys really need to do a better job of making sure the information about their products that gets released to the customers is accurate and consistent. Show less
Hey Billy, I'm assuming your the same one who posted inthe BRS group. Lou replied there but copying his response for any peeps reading this in the future: This is a subject that causes lots of confusion. So it doesn't surprise me that this came up yet again...The True Balling Part C contains Mg and ALL trace elements found in natural sea water, about 70 of them. When you add the Part C, along with the Balling A and B, you are using it to ionically balance the sodium chloride (NaCl) that is the byproduct of the Parts A and B addition. So technically, you are "adding" Mg and trace elements to the system. However, ALL of the Part C that gets added in this way, ends up being diluted when the excess salinity, created by this NaCl and Part C addition, is brought back down with water changes and make up water. So "functionally" your addition of that Mg and trace elements does NOT make up for "consumed" Mg and trace elements. It is only used to ionically balance the NaCl into complete natural sea water components. So you are "adding" them, but not "supplementing" them. That is why you still will need to add supplementary Mg and traces, even when using the true Balling Method. Here is a link to a TH-cam video we did to try to explain this in detail: th-cam.com/video/bZy7RS8kEag/w-d-xo.html
Important! *ANYONE USING BRS 2 PART BALLING METHOD* I just realized that BRS tells you how to use the two part and how and to make sure & use the 2part maintenance to balance out the 2 part and THEN LATER tell you how to use the BALLING METHOD and to use part C WITH BRS 2 PART... BUT NEVER MENTION... WHEN TO ADD IT.. OR that it's mostly MAG, and accomplishing the same thing as 2 part maintenence ACCEPT..with all the natural trace in salt mix...SO.. It sounds like you shouldn't be dosing 2partMAG IF you're adding part C the balling method. Anyone agree disagree? !
I called up Tropic Marin to ask about the balling method not expecting to talk directly to Lou. He graciously gave me an hour of his time explaining the balling method and then giving me specific recommendations for my system. Great dude!
This is one of the best interviews I've seen! Soo much great information!
Thanks Bob!
What a great stream Dev, Thanks to both you and Lou for this! Learned more here on Carbon dosing than I ever could have searching on my own. Look forward to another visit with Lou!
I went to one of Lou's seminars at RAP it was a full house, I learned so much, and now it is here, so I can watch it over and over. I took his challenge and I. use Tropic Marine salt and I also use all-for-reef in my IM Lagoon 25.
Watching this after seeing the commercial for the powdered All for Reef. :D Great info here. :) Ill grab some of this.
same. ive been debating making the switch from BRS 2 part. would love to get down to a single dosing pump and single solution. i do worry about the supply chain because TM stuff always seems to be out of stock whether its on BRS or MarineDepot or wherever.
Great stream Deven. Had to go back to work, but that guy is brilliant.
What a fantastic livestream, just listened this morning and will most likely play it through again so many interesting points to carbon dosing
My 75 is not paced but the all in one is really working for my system. Love this stuff.Thank you Devin for helping .this was fantastic and great help .Merry Christmas 🎅
22:44 i've been looking for this information/explanation! I've been struggling with the question, why i am using TM Pro? Because it mixes clean and fast? Of course everyone says to mix your salt close to the parameters you keep your DT. I've decided i want to be at 440 CA, 8.9 DKH 1350 MAG and PH 8.5 So, changing salt mix may be in my near future.
This was and informative one for sure
This was a really great live stream. Really informative!
I have been looking into the all for reef for a nano to cut down on some equipment and this gave me all the information I needed!
That charts with vaules of chemistry would be invaluable
Dammit! I missed the live stream. Lou is awesome. I loved taking to him at RAP Orlando. I use CarboCalcium now, because of his information and because of the results I’ve gotten since using it. I also use tropic Marin bioactif salt. I’m a big fan of Tropic Marin.
Wow this video is making me rethink BRS 2 part. I am gonna give TM a chance. Great video man.
i need specific directions on start up dosing, how often to dose, do testing....etc
Every time you say "excellent" Dev you remind me of Mr. Burns 😂
Hahaha I just need to twiddle my fingers together when I say it 🤣
Brilliant. Very informative thanks guys 😀👍🏽 I’m gonna get the All for Reef !! And the other calcium and magnesium products 👍🏽
Deven, does all for reef buffer once the levels hits a certain level? Like my cal and mag are good, my alk is a little low. My concern is if adding all for reef to help the tank with alk cause the cal and mag to increase too much or Will they buffer? It’s a 20 gal frag tank and I just got some all for reef. Thanks in advance.
Did you ever find out?
Love this . Great information !
Awesome stream man!! Learned a ton
Just brilliant 👍👍👍
Why is All-For-Reef so hard to find? I'm worried that the supply for demand is not there so I am reluctant to start it as much as I want to.
If I use the all for reef should I still target feed my corals ?
Wow, what a great live stream this is.
Hi @reefdudes heard the all for reef is now available in powder form. What is the difference between the liquid and powder
42:00 it did come out as a powder though!!
haha yes it did!
Since it came out as a powder form, I’d like to know whether they found a way to make some of those traces Lou mentioned in powder form, or did they leave some out?
@@joed641 As far as I know, all trace elements are present in the powder form, I've been using it for almost an year now.
Online website for carbocalcium indicates to not exceed 25ml daily dosing. So does this means this method is limited to ones who wants a mixed system? For a heavy sps system, this wont work?
He did say some are dosing much more than that. So you could try it. I believe he touched on the reasoning of why in part of the stream
Great talk, I am dosing daily testing of calcium and alkalinity at the moment with some dosing of all in one Coral up. But I would like to put the dosing into the auto top off. Need to get it figured out before I go on vacation.
so in a bigger tank we can mix the carbo-calcium+ solution A+K together in one solution+ separately the magnesium?
How do you compensate for corals consuming more alkalinity during the lights-on period than at night with carbocalcium? With normal dosing, you just reduce dosing during the night but if carbocalcim has to be metabolised before the alkalinity shows up then you cant control this.
hi how long does the all for reef last once opened
I’m not 100% but I wouldn’t think it would expire. So should be good to go for a long time
Best vídeo ever.
i not unterstand in number 3 from the balling method, they are already all 73 trace elements inside so why we have to ad trace elements then?
Magnesium and some trace elements can’t be mixed in the a/b
Would I use all for reef if I'm using reef pro? 190 litre and doing a 25 litre water change every week?
Great video ! Where can i buy that card with optimal values for seawater ? (Showed at 33 min)
why is alk in the salt with bakteria higher? it make my alk wrong each time I change the water, it should be same the pro
Pick the salt that more closely matched your alk. Or do smaller but more frequent water changes so there is less impact with each one
i am starting a new 15g tank i really want to use tropic marin pro reef salt but its sold out everywhere!!!!
I have watched this stream probably 4 times now. I have been wanting to switch to balling from BRS two part for so long...but then I remember that water changes also combat ionic imbalance. And so why waste another doser for balling
Also depends how much and how often of a water change you do!
Sorry questions learning about dosing! How can I tell how much of all for reef I need to use? Just need to know my alk was 7.3 and my cal was 440 sal 1.026
Daren Brown the directions should give you a rough idea. But at the end of the day. Dose. Test in 24h and see where your at. If it’s up or down adjust accordingly
Do they make all for reef in a powder form?
I don’t think so
They make a diy kit. 5L or 10L
Check bulk reed supply
at minute 41:53, he says it was impossible to make k + and k- powder, but thankfully they managed to create it.
Did they? I only see them in a liquid version.
@@broutilde yes, All-For-Reef Powder -- www.tropic-marin-smartinfo.com/en/minerals/all-for-reef-powder.html
Today is possible kkkk
Can I dose Carbocalcium + part C of Balling?
Could you help me out? Just started tropic marin reef aktiv im going for second week and now i recived my bright well microbacter 7 that i order long time ago, can i use them together? Thanks
As long as your tank is established I would think it would be okay as long as you space it out and don’t dose to close together
How do you figure out how many ml is going into your tank from ato lol
would have to see how much is dried out of your ato container.. tricky thing is that it can change throughout the year based on temp
More streams like this
Actually 😊all your streams are great good info
I just watched his last MACNA presentation. He was in a hurry, I’m sure he had more time with you here
What a great explanation! A***!
In the UK TMC do 3 types of reef salts pro ...bio...and a bog standard reef salt and been using pro reef for a year and it never mixed like they say dkh it's actualy 9.5 to 10.5 heated mag 1500 calc over 550 the companies lie Iam thinking of getting fish and buffing it my self
It's because you can't measure salinity right... Are you really arrogant enough to say everyone else is mistaken?
Can I please have his contact information? And when will you guys have all for reef in stock?
now their is a powder for the all for reef :-)
Yes I believe their is now
I want ALL FOR REEF dry powder in a 10 kilogram tub.
All for reef has a powder now
I'm watching this after seeing all for reef powder form for sale, on here they say it will probably not be available in a powder form lol
Video was a year ago so I guess they changed their mind :)
@@ReefDudes great decision though making it more available to the average reefer...
All for reef probably won’t come out as a powder. Here it is a few years later
So he mentioned adding trace a and trace k to the carbo calcium but didnt mentioned the ratio in which to add it. If I bought the 1400g carbo calcium powder and made the full 10L how many mls of trace a and k should I add?
1 liter Recipe & Directions
Step 1: Starting with a clean container with at least 1 liter capacity, add 750 mL RODI water. Room temp water is ok, but warm water will help dissolve the powder more quickly.
Step 2: Slowly add 140g CarboCalcium powder, stir continually.
Step 3: Add 100 ml Pro-Trace A-
Step 4: Add 100 ml Pro-Trace K+
Step 5: Keep stirring. It can take some time for the solution to be clear. Estimate ~20 mins. This is off BRS web page. Look at the DIY all for reef. Same as that minusthe bio mag. Hope this helps.
That recipe also calls for the magnesium part, to make All4Reef. Does that mean that you can omit it?
All for Reef is now available in a powder 😂🤣😂
allthingsaquatic.co.uk/products/tropic-marine-all-for-reef-powder-800g
So lou says all for reef can not be in power form BUT its avalable now a year later HUMMM
I mean development in the last year for reef products has really boomed. Things are always changing and maybe at that time it wasn’t a viable option but after some development it now is.
START SELLING ALL-FOR-REEF IN AUSTRALIA
Please please get a more quiet keyboard and mouse, or keep the mic away from them. It’s so distracting to herd the tapping and clicking. Thanks
This is a very old video, i have replaced my keyboard with a quieter one and a dynamic mic since then :P
First let me say great video. However, here's what aggravates me about this hobby. You hear the 'experts' discuss the usage of their products, but often end up just creating confusion for the customer. When the BRS guys did their last 2-part dosing video just a few months ago, they mentioned speaking with the Tropic Marin folks and was told by them that you can dose the Balling Part C to the BRS 2-part to add trace elements. Now this gentleman is stating that the Part C is NOT used to supplement trace elements, but to "add" them instead, and to use Trace A & K to "supplement" the trace elements. I bought 3 boxes of the Part C thinking that I could use it along with the Carbo-Calcium to maintain trace elements. These guys really need to do a better job of making sure the information about their products that gets released to the customers is accurate and consistent.
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Hey Billy, I'm assuming your the same one who posted inthe BRS group. Lou replied there but copying his response for any peeps reading this in the future:
This is a subject that causes lots of confusion. So it doesn't surprise me that this came up yet again...The True Balling Part C contains Mg and ALL trace elements found in natural sea water, about 70 of them. When you add the Part C, along with the Balling A and B, you are using it to ionically balance the sodium chloride (NaCl) that is the byproduct of the Parts A and B addition. So technically, you are "adding" Mg and trace elements to the system. However, ALL of the Part C that gets added in this way, ends up being diluted when the excess salinity, created by this NaCl and Part C addition, is brought back down with water changes and make up water. So "functionally" your addition of that Mg and trace elements does NOT make up for "consumed" Mg and trace elements. It is only used to ionically balance the NaCl into complete natural sea water components. So you are "adding" them, but not "supplementing" them. That is why you still will need to add supplementary Mg and traces, even when using the true Balling Method. Here is a link to a TH-cam video we did to try to explain this in detail: th-cam.com/video/bZy7RS8kEag/w-d-xo.html
Important! *ANYONE USING BRS 2 PART BALLING METHOD* I just realized that BRS tells you how to use the two part and how and to make sure & use the 2part maintenance to balance out the 2 part and THEN LATER tell you how to use the BALLING METHOD and to use part C WITH BRS 2 PART... BUT NEVER MENTION... WHEN TO ADD IT.. OR that it's mostly MAG, and accomplishing the same thing as 2 part maintenence ACCEPT..with all the natural trace in salt mix...SO.. It sounds like you shouldn't be dosing 2partMAG IF you're adding part C the balling method. Anyone agree disagree? !