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- How Los Angeles destroyed a community and built a ballpark on top of it.
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Before Dodger Stadium, LA had Palo Verde, La Loma, and Bishop - three neighborhoods that made up a thriving, predominantly Mexican American community in an area known as Chavez Ravine.
But in the late 1940s, the city marked that area as “blighted,” setting the stage for a decade-long battle by residents to preserve the community against threats of eviction. Ultimately, the city forced out residents with little to no compensation, clearing the way for the future baseball stadium.
The result is a complicated legacy, a story that's often missing from the history of Los Angeles, and for some, hard questions about what it means to be a fan of the LA Dodgers. Through interviews with several former residents of the area, this episode of Missing Chapter explores the story of the neighborhoods cleared to make way for the future chosen by the city.
Note: The headline on this video has been updated.
Previous headline: Dodger Stadium’s violent origin story
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For more on Chavez Ravine’s history, check out the oral history and archival project, An Unfinished Story: www.chavezravinela.com/home
Buried Under the Blue:
www.buriedundertheblue.com/
Eric Nusbaum’s book, Stealing Home:
/ stealing-home
Eric Avila’s article, “Revisiting the Chavez Ravine”: link.springer.com/chapter/10....
Don Normark’s photo book:
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Code Switch’s article on Chavez Ravine: www.npr.org/sections/codeswit...
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Lol
Plz investigate on why stone
Ethnic reassignment in Jerusalem and Hebron, Palestine 1976-2021
Asian stuff
Yeah when the rail roads and slaves where being built. Thoses where only black and china people what happen to all the indians or Mexicans. That's a big gap that never made since in school or any movie or book. Never mentioned a brown colored person. Or has it?
The most upsetting thing about this is the size of the parking. Imagine giving up your livelihood for a parking space.
That parking lot is big enough to fit 10 copies of the actual stadium. It goes to show that the stadium really had no chance of reinvigorating the "blighted" local community, since most people going to see a game would commute from the suburbs to this giant parking lot, without ever stepping foot near any of the local shops or restaurants.
American dream. For white.
Look up Kelo v. New London. They destroyed a neighborhood to build an office park except the financing never came through and now it’s just a dirt lot.
Yes, a parking lot is needed to prevent massive traffic. A stadium in the middle of LA would be a nightmare. No one would want to live that close to it anyway.
@@dodger7111 How the parking lot prevents the traffic? Parked cars have to be driven to and from it, haven't they? If there was no parking everyone would have to use subway, train, whatever, and the car traffic would not increase.
I’m thankful that as a high school student in LA county, my history teacher made sure ALL of his students learned and were aware of this tragedy.
sounds like a great teacher
Amazing teacher
Same
I'm mad that mine didn't (also an LA native)...
Yet history repeated itself again in 2020 with a new stadium
So, the people of the Chavez Ravine did everything they were "supposed" to do in a capitalist society. Own property, businesses, start a family, etc. Their reward? Forced eviction.
Indeed. There are many such stories in American history. Neighbourhoods that did well for themselves destroyed by more powerful business interests, and usually they were inhabited by people of colour. Greenwood Tulsa springs to mind
That "capitalist" society only works for whites.
“If it’s not white, it’s not right” -The Government
Clearly the government ran by why whites did everything in their power to stop other racial ethnicity’s from thriving and making Caucasian people look bad
It’s only the American dream as long as you’re white, if you’re not white it’s hard to grab the American dream
@@D_isco_D_ancer That's the dumbest statement on the post. You obviously know nothing about laws regulating starting a business- a perfect example of reverse discrimination that evidently you've unbelievably never heard of.
That grandma was so dissapointed in her grandsons final words lol! She thinks hes soft. All the abuse she went through and he still out here simpin for the Dodger's.
And she should say it
She's the one that was made to move not him. Now whos the soft one.
@@gaggita9922 Ahhhhh Shaddap
fkin simps
Typical Dodgers fan smdh
Missing Chapter is maybe my favorite Vox series
It's also the most distressing one ...
I guess you like depressing stories
Mine is Vox Borders, Atlas and Darkroom
Mine is def borders sad they cancelled it though
@@grugamersriseup7299 WHAT! They actually cancelled it? When ?😭
This is truly sad, the more you know, the more you wish you didn’t know
Ignorance is bliss
Not really I am happy that I know this because otherwise it would be burried and forgotten.
@@23StudiosSports I'd disagree.
@@HopeRock425 i totally agree with you. Never disregard history. ✌️
That’s what happens when you learn about white america
The american government really said “things are going TOO well for the mexicans”
The blacks too bro
@@artavishawkins6100 black wall street
like the video said, the American gov didn’t go to Chavez Ravine with the intention to go like "oh I’m gonna ruin the Mexicans established communities”
The American gov, like the video said, wanted to build their plans without the intention of ever considering how it would affect other people, and didn’t care enough to discontinue with their plans. As a result, Chavez Ravine was hurt severely
@@samrawitkenfe2876 yeah there are people who think that they set out to hurt the community (they did anyway) but the goal was making the stadium and making that part of the city full of buildings, the neighborhoods that got destroyed were collateral damage
@@samrawitkenfe2876 Maybe so, but it's impossible to imagine an entire community in LA that would be affected like this if it was mainly white people living in it
Thank you for covering this. My step family lived in Chavez Ravine and we attend the reunion picnic every year (except 2020 it was cancelled). Every year more of the original residents are dying of old age and it's so important for us to carry on their stories.
It’s ironic because the stadium where Dodgers had played (Ebbets Field) was replaced by government subsidized housing
@Aaron Friedman
In NYC?
I dunno. Affordable housing there is desperately needed. Most cities desperately need _affordable_ housing, because it's more profitable to build high end housing.
@Aaron Friedman would you be willing to give up your home at a loss to build a stadium ?
@Aaron Friedman so the answer in no, you wouldnt like it because it is wrong
@Aaron Friedman
Stadium jobs are usually going to be majority part time and low wage.
@Aaron Friedman
...Look. I can see the government using eminent domain for needed projects.
But in this case, they used eminent domain _on the behalf of a private business._
So, the rich have the right to deprive you of your personal property, that being your home, for a pittance or nothing at all, in order for themselves to make money.
Is that the country you want to live in?
Because you do.
As an urban and regional planning student, ive learned about so many stories just like this one and the story of Chavez Ravine being one of the most well known case study of injustice done by a city. Unfortunately this still happens, and the fact that you mentioned the SoFi stadium at the end has earned much respect from me. Ever since the plans for the stadium in Inglewood became official, waves of gentrification hit local communities due to real estate investors, house flippers and foreign investors. Now we have a new case study of injustices being rained down on those already struggling. Sadly, the pandemic fueled the pace in which gentrification was already moving rapidly.
Another great video Vox.
Happens a lot when the Olympics comes to town.
@@snowstrobe Yup, this story will unfortunately repeat itself over the next few years as LA begins preparations to host in 2028. Chicago saved itself and its' residents a lot of trouble in not winning the bid to host the games in 2016
But Sofi and Dodger Stadium aren’t exactly the same. I agree, the gentrification around the new stadium is bad will take advantage of the community, but the stadium itself didn’t tear down anyone’s housing. It was built on the site of a horse track. The way the video puts it implies that its problems of displacement are almost on the same level as dodger stadium.
@@rndmkngsfn yeah, this video is very disingenuous in the way it implies that SoFi was built on land forcibly taken away from people like Dodgers Stadium, when in reality it was built on a mix of empty land and an old racetrack.
5:47 Interesting juxtaposition of arguments ... affordable housing requires high density rental units; low density homeownership is the suburban model that social critics like the writers at Vox usually claim is capitalism exacerbating economic inequity
6:07 "We were homeowners, and we had affordable housing" ... at low density ... apparently, defending low-density homeownership is OK if the residents' skin is dark enough?
6:54 I concur that low-balling a minority community because they lack political power, THAT is wrong. But the principle of eminent domain, and the argument for using it to increase population density with the goal of more affordable housing ... that is valid
7:50 And then, Vox pivots again, to claim opposition to high density housing is elitist ... if the opponents are white, apparently
10:24 "violently evicted" ... laying hands on those who resist government edict is a CENTRAL role of the police ... I don't see violence, I see a procedurally sound police action (with unjust origins)
12:07 I'm encouraged that at least this modicum of nuance may indicate that the fever is breaking on late 2010s identity politics absolutism ... I can only hope
only greed and evilness will drive someone to literally throw people out of their homes and then steal the land from them. So freaking hurtful
“latinx” bro what
Funny how it's just more white people telling people how to talk. They don't even realize the irony of their colonization.
They had me until I heard that term. These youngsters trying to fight ethnocide by using the very terms the liberal whites give us.
That's an outrageously sized car park.
It's America, nobody uses public transportation for anything.
Welcome to America!
Middle class people in the US actually seem to fear public transit for racist/classist reasons.
I used that slash because the racism is probably there, but the vast majority of American people won't admit it.
The classism is more apparent; they'll assert poor people will get on public transit and come rob their house.
I picture someone trying to get a lawnmower, toolbox, and TV onto a trolley... on camera...
Americans have phobias of public transport essentially
Q: How many cars could you get one one homeplot?
A: 💵💵💵
It’s painfully ironic because the Dodgers used to be a Brooklyn baseball team before they were moved to LA in the 1950s. My uncle (who grew up in Brooklyn at the time) told me that decision wasn’t popular with local residents.
Yep Ebbets Field. Nothing but Apartments buildings now.
Oh it never is popular with the locals when their team relocates
plus it was a part of ruining many minority lives
Bernie Sanders says the Dodgers leaving Brooklyn was a huge turning point in his life.
Woooow very insightful comment
“This is America, the land of the free. Just go be free somewhere else.”
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@googlewhyforwardfaqforward4076 Exactly. Even then.
Liberty and justice for all...
"Hey, get out of your home now so we can destroy it on front of you. This is where home plate is gonna be"
@@googlewhyforwardfaqforward4076 white people aren't free wym
Some random white person dies we don’t start pro testing
@@googlewhyforwardfaqforward4076 cause we don’t need to
I live in Tucson, Arizona. Back in the day, a big chunk of downtown was bulldozed in a similar fashion as Dodgers stadium. It was a historic and thriving Mexican American community which was turned into one of the currently most out of date convention centers in the country.
Missing Chapter has got to be the best series on Vox. It would be cool if yall could eventually do an episode on something international too
Supposedly, that would be Borders. I miss that series.
@@thedenskan3440 Johnny Harris left Vox, so sadly Borders is not coming back. You can check out his channel for some cool stories like this about both the US and other countries.
@@harrymullin Funny enough, I'm watching his newest video. I know Borders shall rest now and I have come to terms with that. Rest sweet prince.
@@thedenskan3440 No, Borders is too general; Darkroom series seems more appropriate for "dark international history", methinks.
@@jakmanxyom I do recognize that, Borders was more of a general story on how borders defined currwnt events. It nonetheless got me hooked on geography and haven't been the same since.
This is just tragic. Thank you for bringing this story to light.
I have family members who will not go for the Dodgers because of what happened at Chávez Ravine and go for the Angels instead. I’m a Dodger fan myself but I think it is important for Chicano excellence that this story and others like it be told
@Aaron Friedman Chicano is a term used to describe a Mexican-American
Totally agree, but might wanna tell your family that when Chavez Ravine first opened in 1962 it was the home for both the Dodgers and Angels. Looks like the Angels didn’t care much about the history at the Ravine neither. Just saying.
@@MiguelGG03 good point lol
@Ramen Lover Oh I know it was temporary. Still doesn’t change the fact that both clubs ignored the issues at the Ravine. Angels could have refused and used the coliseum for those 4-5 years.
As a strong and proud Chicano and dodger fan myself... this is a VERY hard part of Dodger history i've had to reconcile with. However, I think the end of the video says it perfectly... the Chicana/o community have managed to take back this team in the name of pride. It was even poetic justice that a Mexican like Julio Urias notch the final out of the 2020 World Series, bringing the title back to LA.
I grew up with Dodger Stadium being something like a shrine to me... but also to this day, treat it as a memorial for those Mexican-Americans it displaced. I think it's important that all Chicana/o fans of the Dodgers know the history of this stadium as well.
Missing Chapter is rivaling Borders to be the best series created by Vox. Amazing work
Ouch, I miss Borders :(
Dark room is also a top series.
I love Ear Worm.
Atlas is also very good.
That's why Fernando Valenzuela is so iconic, Mexicans wanted nothing to do with the team until 1981 when Fernandomania happened
Yeah if it wasn’t for him, the Dodgers fan base could’ve been made up of barely any Mexicans. I’m glad FernandoMania came because Mexicans know how to celebrate at sports
It's ironic..Mexicans justifiably boycotted for years what is now lovingly called Doyer Stadium.
Not true. My parents were born in Mexico and I grew up going to Dodgers games in the early 60's. This video makes this a racial thing - it's not. When someone gets wealthy at the expense of others (this videos point), it's about greed.
@@ActsDriven I'm curious if your parents were in LA in the late 40s and 50s? My dad was and he hated The Dodgers ( even though the residents were displaced with or without them) Most people today aren't even aware of the history Arechiva Gulch.
Me watching this video like "Yup. That's how they are. That's what they do." This is not an LA story. This is an America story. And as evident with SoFi, they haven't missed a step.
Very true. All major metro areas have this story -- NYC, DC, Miami, to name a few. It's painful to bear witness years later.
Preach
@@ambrosia417 Miami too? What's the history of this area?
@@dario110011 This doc on Amazon: The Black Miami
All true except Sofi was built over Hollywood Park Racetrack 🤷🏽♂️
I'm so grateful for this series. It outrages me that all these tragedies were probably not considered important or "big" enough to make it into our textbooks, but their ramifications are still so important to this day :(
I've said this before, historically everytime I see a thriving minority community, somehow someway it gets destroyed. The pattern is astonishing
Cant have society being to successful, you will lose control
yes, and during the 2020 riots, minority owned businesses were looted.
Minority means it's easier to take advantage of these communities so im actually not astonished, it isnt right but makes perfect sense
@@applesyrupgaming In Beverly Hills and Santa Monica?
@Carlaeyyy Chavez Ravine was not a thriving minority community, unless you have a different definition of thriving.
Citizens Against Social Housing = CASH
Does this feel familiar?
it's like something out of a novel
And then they blamed everything on socialism when it had nothing to do with it. Sounds about right.
And to top it all off, the city went on to fund the stadium with public money.
I'd love to hear what the people at CASH thought of that.
Cash sounds like trump
There's so much in this world I don't know. Thanks to the internet for making me realise that.
My mother’s Dolores Leon,she’s telling a story that we’ve been told all our lives. My father/brother went on to fight for our country but my grandfather who owned homes,bars on or near CR died young and never fully recovered from this! We are his legacy.
He never fully recovered from death?
Stop lying you aren’t even subscribed to this Chanel how could she be your mother
You stink,that isn’t your mother
@@RollerBladingSuxs how tf do you know
@@joesandoval3741 how tf do you know
Shame... NY Central Park has the same history... Tulsa’s is even worse.
Inglewood resident here and I am afraid this is what the future of Inglewood holds.
They did a similar thing to the Los Angeles Convention center in the 70s my dad said that he and his mother lived around the convention center and they were forced to move out of the space
This is so sad. Thank you for sharing this story. It sounds similar to the story of Central Park in New York being made.
Yeah you're right, although that one was a lot simpler
"Dodgers are here to stay, they are LAs team" they used to be NYC's team until the billionaire owner got a better offer.
The Yankees are definitely NY’s team now though
No, they were Brooklyn's team, not NYC's. NYC's teams were the Yankees and the Giants. The Giants moved to San Francisco the same year the Dodgers moved to LA. The Mets were created to replace the Giants. Nobody has ever replaced the Dodgers in NY.
@@metrofilmer8894 And the Yankees were NY's team then too. The Dodgers were Brooklyn's team.
@@actormanic I feel like the point is that all of that doesn't matter lol. Like this "identity" that baseball teams carry isn't real. People are attaching identity to a thing that is loyal to nothing except the whims of capitalism.
As a European, it would be so weird if European football clubs could just casually relocate to another city. For us, it's something unfathomable since the city is part of the club's identity and history.
Public housing as "communistic"... I can't even...
The truly sad part is the attitude toward public houing has barely changed, and its detractors would use many of the same arguments and talking points today.
As a second generation Latin American in LA, the Dodger stadium is incredibly iconic. However, the story is still really depressing
you should just rename, “Missing Chapter,” to “America Being More Racist Than We Were Originally Taught”
@@ASS_ault you've conveniently ignored the segregation, red-lining and literal clauses that stated only whites could own homes and land....
And they just so happened to do it again in a non-white area.
It amazes me how racists can skip over basic facts/history.
All of their missing chapter videos I mean all of them is about the missing part of American racist history and it's legacy! It's not about missing history other than racism in their videos. 🤔
Not really…. This was the 60s. If this surprises u Probably nothing about history
@@ASS_ault you think only white people can be racist?
It's so interesting growing up and realizing that all the "big, dangerous slums" and "bad parts of town" we were warned about are minority communities viewed through the tinted glasses of systemic racism. One of my favourite things is to go in these areas, socialize, learn from the people, eat at their restaurants.
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Same with me, Iain. I have gone to my hometown's black sections to be a visitor, shopper, restaurant customer. Other whites don't get it.
@@brianarbenz7206 the small town I’m originally from became a hub for immigration, our Filipino population went from 0.4% to 34% in under a decade. So, naturally, I knew quite a lot of Filipino people, was invited to their family events. Wherever I move, the first area I feel comfortable is the Filipino area.
In my city, just this year, I found a kickass Jamaican place too, I love eating there!
@@iainronald4217 I'm in Louisville, Ky., where until about the 1980s, the African-American community was largely all the non-white portion of our city. I worked as a news reporter for a mainstream newspaper, then a progressive paper and fell in love with the Black neighborhoods I learned about on my beats. I was hanging out in them long before the Breona Taylor killing was the focus. Since the '80s, Louisville has become very multi-racial and multi-lingual. Louisville, like the nation as a whole, has lost job opportunities, affordable housing and the meth and heroin are everywhere, but the diversity has been wonderful.
@@rubenaj9716 I think your cat has been walking on your keyboard.
Great video. I grew up near there and was a Dodger fan. I was told that only one family lived in Chavez Ravine and they became massively rich by selling the land to the Dodgers. I never knew this story.
@Doyle Dean That’s what the politicians want you to believe.
@@HVACSoldier touché
I remember reading a photography book I found in my class in hs about people who lived in these neighborhoods. Broke my heart, but wasn't really surprised learning about what happened.
I’ve talked about this multiple times and was called a liar, thank you for bringing it to light.
Julio Urias, the man who notched the final out of the 2020 world series... is not only a Mexican player revered by the country of Mexico, but by Chicana/os all across the nation. Our love for the Dodgers is so very touchy and complex... that yeah, Chavez Ravine holds a dark past, but also encapsulates beloved memories in time and across multiple generations. It's just a really hard past to come to terms with.
Mexican identity is violent; Mexico is also a colonial-capitalist state. Only in the shadow US imperialism can Mexico seem like it has some activist potential.
Now he's a criminal
I am a LA Dodger's fan but I will admit this is great journalism and great presentation. One thing I would change about this is the historian saying "LatinX." It's Latino/a!
Thank you!!
I lived in So Cal all my life and didn't know about this. Always thought it was an empty mountain range at the time. Sadly, i'm not surprised it wasnt
This is similar to most neighborhoods that got torn down when the interstates came to be
It's latino not latinx
I’ve heard some people who insist on trying to non-binary a gendered language use the term “Latine”, which is at least pronounceable in Spanish.
@@Tustin2121 Latinx is a term made by those who don't understand how the Spanish language work. The term latin already exists, use that instead.
Oh American capitalism you have so many skeletons in your closet
Reminds me a lot of the Duranguito neighborhood in El Paso, Texas. There was a push for a ballpark four years ago, which was built nearby, but this neighborhood is also targeted continually for spurring development.
Sad that we can probably all find an example of this happening in our own areas
Thank you so much for collecting these voices, images, and perspectives on Chavez Ravine.
That's f*cked up 😠😔
"Who bares the cost for change?" that was deep
Kid: They are southern California's team
Me, a Padres fan: WHO'S TEAM?
It is just so strange that a team just moves 2.800 miles like it is no big deal in the US. All the old Fans heve no way to come in the stadion again as if the team didn`t care about fans as long as money would flow.
I mean, it's true....
@Ramen Lover trust me, I try to avoid it like the plague.
Missing Chapter and Borders will always be my favorite series...
Never ever ever EVER stop this series :) please..
It might sound un-related, but stories like Dodgers moved from Brooklyn to LA is one of the reasons why European football fans hated their american owners
I doubt most European football fans even know the first thing about how the Dodgers ended up in LA.
Owning a house is the best way to build wealth in America, now imagine someone taking away that American dream just because your neighborhood doesn’t match their ethnicity, ever wondered why blacks and browns are always in the roughest parts of the city meanwhile Caucasian people live in massive houses in the suburbs?
No not really😂 I grew up in Brooklyn
I will say that many poor white people exist, too.
Why blame the Dodgers over this when it was the housing project that enacted eminent domain in the first place.
Because the Dodgers are a convenient scapegoat, they are still here.
All but a few of the original 1,800 families had been gone for years before the Dodgers got involved.
@@yokes1497 I'm not sure why you need an reply, in general we are not in disagreement.
However the LA referendum was passed in 1958 for the purposes of giving the land to the Dodgers. At the time of the referendum there were still about 20 families living in Chavez Ravine The city did evict those last 20 families for the expresss purpose of forcing them out to build Dodger stadium.
So to say the Dodgers had nothing to do with it is not correct. Though it is true the Dodgers role was minor as (like I said) most of the 1,800 families were gone years before the Dodgers got involved.
@@yokes1497 Spin it the Way that makes you feel good The Truth Always Hurts
Does anyone here not wonder if the Dodgers’ owner at the time had any clue about how the city of LA came into possession of the land it offered to the organization? I can’t believe it was unknown to O’Malley that LA had recently displaced those families from that land, and I say that because the practice of rustling people off of land was a whole lot more accepted in the ‘50s. There’s no way that the Dodger organization doesn’t bear some blame for that. That’s like buying a stolen car from a fence, and then claiming you didn’t know it was stolen when you get busted for grand theft.
@@jefflewis4 I feel like the city is on the hook for this but the Dodgers should’ve compensated the few remaining families. If they never then it’s not too late to compensate the families that are still alive.
Eminent Domain is a blight on society, and its truly astonishing that it is still legal. Its like these lawmakers never learned about conflict of interest. 'Lets have our people figure out how little we can pay you to avoid suit'. Lets completely disregard the cost of moving, job relocation, and other hardship, not to mention always low balled property value.
This story reminds me of the building of the I-10 through Treme in New Orleans, overnight changing a whole community, a real injustice.
Sadly most large cities in the US have similar stories - it's not like there were freeway-shaped empty plots of land before the interstate system was built.
Don Normark’s photographs are a telling story of the area pre-Dodger Stadium.
Chávez Ravine, 1949: A Los Angeles Story is Normark’s history and art book released in 1999.
Normark was a photography student around 20 years old at the time and took photos of the residents and property, getting to meet many of the people there. My country library had a copy of the book, so I read through the book several years ago.
Vox never really disappoints in presentation, narration. Can understand the work behind this. And these are the contents that we needed. On how past is demolished to build the future. Well done.
That was just absolutely heartbreaking
I’m hopeful that Dodgers will eventually face its stadium history, and will make sure that the history of the district is known. Might name parts of the stadium after historic streets or something, there are many ways. It won’t solve it, but it will be a great gesture.
Face what. It was the LA politics that’s to blame not the Dodgers organization
I'm glad you brought this story.
My Mom is the lady in the video Lola. My son Joseph submitted this story to VOX because of his love for his Grandma. He heard about her plight and being forced to move as a child and decided her story needed to be told. My Mom is now 88 years old and doesn't remember a lot now a days but still talks about her life as a child in Chavez Ravine. My Mom was also honored by the City of Los Angeles and given an award for her community activism in our community of Bassett California. She is truly a special woman. 💗
She must be a nice woman
Who would have guessed that a plot line from L.A. Noire was so real.
LA Noire was based on some real historical points in LA's past.
Hollywood and the money it brought in ended up being LA's boon, but also it's bane.
haha the face of the old woman when her son explained that despite all that he remains a dodgers fan and will raise his son as one, too.
It still baffles me as to how there hasn’t been any uprisings strong enough to remove those in power who are responsible for this kind of stuff
Cause this kind of stuff happened 60 years ago. Still in range of a lifetime, but those city officials aren’t in power anymore. The best thing would be to imagine their fury over the way things have changed and how the people in power aren’t always just white guys (still mostly, but not always)
@@zonaryorange8734IT STILL HAPPENS NOW!
We could just say Latin, don't need to create a new edgy word in Latin-x 🙄
I just cannot IMAGINE the government going to a white neighborhood and giving them half the cost of their property to move out. The Karens would merge into a super-karen and ask to see the manager of the planet before that could happen.
This stuff only happens to the disenfranchised.
How tf do I think any cities start😂 small settlements then skyscrapers and gov buildings forcing people to move further. Literally happened to everyone
oh man the 710 freeway history. they made it all the way up to south Pasadena, burrowing through low income neighborhoods, but as soon as they got to the whites in S.P, full stop to construction. worst part was that they made through the wealthy black neighborhood, but could not get even close to the white
It happens.
I got a similar story from the displacement of la familia Rosario in the Dominican Republic
My high school history teacher taught us all about this. Shout out to Mr Manghera 🤘🏾🤘🏾
I’m an Angels fan myself. Many Mexican families are fans of the Dodgers, and are the true heartbeat of the stadium because it sits on ancestral land. Like Tupac said, it wouldn’t be LA without them. My wife is Mexican and I know she will be disgusted when she sees this. The truth always comes to light and Karma will remain undefeated.
Going to be heartbreaking when some of these diehard dodgers fans find out about this, it’s a shame too because so much of their fan base is Hispanic
@@almightysosa3007 most dodger fans know of the history already, thats why Fernandomania is so iconic to latino dodger fans
All this destruction and heartache in order to hold a team stolen from New York. What a trash legacy.
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Interesting. Recently I went to Dodger Stadium and the infrastructure to get there, being on a hill, was terrible. The last mile or two took about 20 minutes (bumper to bumper traffic) and the parking space was extremely disorganized yet humongous.
My family is from Wilson, Florida. The Government did the same thing to our homes. Only the gravesites remain.
And here in Cincinnati. Gentrification to this day!
My grandfather was born and raised in those same homes and was moved out by those same people , i wish i had the knowledge that i have now after he has past and my family members are now trying to tell his story
Between Vox and Vice, they are gonna reveal the dark side of everything.
Only of what fits their narrative.
Every Dodger fan knows this history. Which is why Fernando was a big deal. It brought back the mexican community to the Dodgers.
Yeah kinda insulting to compare him to domestic-assault-charged and not that great of a pitcher Urias
@@evanwalsh5688 what are you talking about. Urias wasn’t charged with anything, look it up. The incident you’re talking about didn’t result in any injury and the woman he was with told both police officers and witnesses that she did not believe she was a victim of anything
@@kelvinmorales6416 Fair enough, I was thinking of the fact that he got suspended under the domestic violence policy, not the same thing. Either way, not in the same conversation as Fernando in any way was my point.
Yeah, they, the city, really need to apologize for doing that. It was a beautiful area. They could have built that stadium anywhere.
This mirrors what happened to Africville in Nova Scotia, Canada. The only difference? African Canadians were removed from their homes, their Church, built in 1849, was torn down, and the land was converted into a dog park. A Dog Park... that is beyond insulting.
Terrific series, keep up the excellent work! Would love to see more international focused episodes as well!
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Same thing happened to Bunker Hills in downtown LA. It used to be wooden Victorian mansions. It was five feet tall an one of the residents still remembers where "The Castle" used to be located at.
"Dodgers are here to stay" at least until someone makes a better offer....
They've been in LA for 63 years now. More history than when they were the Brooklyn Dodgers. They just finished a huge renovation of the stadium before this season started. They're arguably the most popular professional sports team in the city next to the Lakers. Doubt they'll ever leave.
i'm just here 4 minutes after uploading and it already has 800 views 😮
They've got 9 million subs. So yeah
Thanks for sharing
Would you like some apple pie with your serving of injustice?
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I grew up in East LA in the 1980s and 90s, had you told me that the "barrio" I grew up in would become a gentrified hodgepodge of white hipsters and a multiethnic mix of young urban professionals taking root in our community just after the year 2000, we would've laughed at you. Yet, here it is, there are still many pockets of first and second generation Latinos rooted in the Eastside, but make no mistake the majority of the wealth and political clout of the area has changed hands and the historical culture is evolving, but it has previously, in the 20's and 30's East LA was a predominately Jewish community and after World War 2 an influx of Japanese Americans coming back from internment took root and Jews fled to the burgeoning West Side, then the Japanese took root just to the East in numerous cities in the San Gabriel Valley along with First generation Chinese and then Vietnamese immigrants.
In LA, the only thing that is inherently permanent is rapid and sudden change.
Never knew anything about this. Was very interesting! Thanks for the work VOX.
Sounds like to me the Los Angeles Dodgers owe some compensation and reparations to Mexicans.
the team is so popular among Mexicans. The compensation is years of great Mexican players and Mexicans for the most part have forget about it.
@@ariswerdlow1411 Dolores and myself amongst millions of other Mexicans feel differently.
No. No, they don’t.
@@dxmnnndanny2092 Lol too bad there's millions of Mexicans in LA that outweigh all of that including myself.
@@hiphoprbloverjon9180 sure Jon
Having grown up in LA in the late 70s and through the 80s, I have to say I have never heard or seen anything like this about Chavez through all my years of schooling or anywhere else. I’m shocked and sickened, but sadly, I’m not surprised. I can’t help but wonder what that land is worth today in the midst of LA sprawl and how those families that were rustled out of their homes should have benefitted from that appreciation. As a white guy, I have to say one thing America has always been good at is moving non-whites off land that they want and using force to do it. It’s shameful. I wonder if current and former Dodger players of Mexican descent are aware, and if so, if they’re troubled? I’ve never heard any Dodger ever speak out about this injustice or pay any kind of honor or homage to the residents whose lives were summarily upended as a result of this land grab. Shameful.
Love this series! Keep it up :)
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I shed a tear for what happened and firmly believe the Dodgers and LA should pay reparations to the families of those displaced. That was F#$%ed up.
The story is very sad, but I really liked the video itself. Especially the news articles
It's Latinos, not LatinX. I never knew the history of the Dodger Stadium. Very sad how all those people lost their homes.
This is what happens when you displace people from the land and home that they love (regardless of country) - they forever are resentful and pass on that resentment to their children.
I don't see much resentment from the community these days. They LOOOVE their precious Doyers!
All the people that grandmother is resentful at are dead. If she can't get over it and still takes that anger out on the team or other people, then she is no better than the people who took her family's land.
I grew up in Echo Park, very close to Chavez ravine.
I didnt know anything about this an hr ago. Now....Ill never forget
Thank you for sharing this