Jeez they're rough with the fitouts in NZ. I've had a couple of police cars in Australia and they certainly weren't brutalised that much. I'm sure it was cheap tho and glad it was an easy fix. :)
Don't forget that the Police here in Australia will move their cars on after 3-4 years or so, depending on mileage. It's been nearly 3 years since I've seen a Commodore on Cop duty here in Melbourne.
I had an ex SA PD VE series 2 for just over 10 years , i purchased it from auction and it had only done a years service with the police. It was in excellent condition and no holes in the carpet of dashboard etc. The only thing i had to do was remove the extra battery in the boot and add new carpets. A great car and i loved it.
@@davidthomas9 very true, not many get to 150000 km but I'm more just talking about the brutality of the fitouts and the cutting of things in a way that doesn't happen here. They seem to be much more concerned with resale in Australia. I was involved in servicing NSW police cars up to VE and once they were stripped there would just be a few screw holes in some cheap trim and a bit of extra wear on the seat bolsters from big belts and things and aside from that the average person wouldn't really know their history. This was just hacked up tho, be a bit of work to remove all evidence! ;)
Yer....our government clames it spends about $120000 on a new cop car....nz government won't even release the costs 😄probly got thire cuz to fit it out in the back shed for some p...and pocketed the rest.
Many years ago i purchased an ex ministry of transport - MOT Mitsubishi V3000 and it was bulletproof the engine/gearbox had no problems the interior was remarkably tidy and all the emergency gear had been carefully removed. I think the difference between my V3000 and the Commodore is MOT traffic officers often had take home patrol cars so the officers tended to look after them unlike police officers who were harder on the patrol cars that were pool vehicles
@@nonrasputin9260 when the police/ mot merged in 92 the V3000s were in service past there used by date because they were reliable and popular with officers and yes they were fast many speeders in V8s were surprised at how quick the V3 was
@@brittenv1000 it was a unique car for the nz market about 500 served with the MOT and service records were sent to Japan to help Mitsubishi improve the V6 engine
I was fortunate enough in 2018 to purchase an ex Vic police VF2 wagon here in Melbourne less than a year old with under 20,000 on the clock LS3 6.2lt V8 and in excellent condition. Best car I've ever owned. Waiting for FOI to come back with more info for me. Even got photos of it in it's VicPol livery. I like to think it was only used for trips to the local donut shop.
Love your assessment of that whole "situation" that was going on in New Zealand 🤣. Years ago my brother in law bought a cop communications truck and was going to make it into a camper. It still had all the gear in it, radios etc. The cops got in touch with him months after he bought it and asked for all their gear back 🤣
I picked up an ex police ZB 2.0T liftback from Turners about a month ago, apart from the fuel flap not locking its perfect, very quick and economical, the 9spd transmission is the best auto i have ever experienced
Thanks man! Good luck with your evoke, you won’t regret it! If you have any issues getting speakers, steering wheel volume control etc, check out my other video on the ex cop car and flick me a message if you need tips on getting it working. Cheers!
Funny how some of New Zealand fire services busiest stations are rocking trucks with millions of kilometers and are from the 90s and 2000s where the NZ Police replace their vehicles every 5 years with only 150-200k kilometers.
Somehow the managers never allow their utes or fancy vehicles to be 5 years old.. yet they tolerate trucks literally snapping axles to warrant retirement.
I worked for the company that leased these to the police. One of the projects I did was a repairs / service costs audit. I think, from seeing all the things that need fixing on these that the cops take pride in destroying them. Like being hard on gear is macho or something
Oh cool, you worked for customs fleet? Hahaha you are probably right, these cars definitely were not driven sedately, but the way I see it, what wasent broken and replaced, became battle hardened! One would hope that it was all in the line of duty eh. Thanks for reaching out
@@louisbarningham Very rarely outside of police cars do we see VFs have major failures even when thrashed. Never seen anyone as hard on kit as the police hahaha
In 2012,i brought an Ex Highway Patrol car,2009 VE SS,Holden. Mechanical the car was mint,having only 120,000kms on the clock,with a detailed service history and repairs supplied. Internally a different story and similar to yours. NZ Police must have fitted 4 radios to their Highway Patrol cars as there was 4 antennas mounts in different locations.I still have this car as a daily runner,clocking up 300,500kms now.
They really leave them in great condition.... Here in SA Australia The cars look pretty original bar from secondary battery, and blackout button....a couple holes. But they don't drill or cut bodywork up.... Advice anyone in Australia buying and ex police car, try and get a country car ..city ones are bashed around and similar issues like this evoke!! Unless you want a project😊
Well done for taking on the challenge. Keep it in all its glory, there is some great fun to be had looking for cars with interesting histories. It looks like it had a very hard life, I have seen some police cars in the Australian auctions and there are a few that have come in similar condition. Some of the early 2018/19 BMW 5 series being sold last year were particularly shagged after their COVID duties.
Well said! Potential buyers should do as much research as possible before buying an ex cop car, especially as it may well be on the auction block due to damage/unexplained issues. Not sure if I’d take the chance on a euro ex-cop car eh…
@@nonrasputin9260 The 5s wore their mileage worse than the Holdens. There were X5s, Passats and Tiguans as well as a swag of Kias. Not cars I would take a chance on.
The BMW and VW are faring visibly better than the Ford and Holdens by a far margin. I see these cars every day .Have a look at the drivers seats for example. Good quality cars. The Chryslers wear rate is not as good though and very similar to the Holdens.The Kia GD cars are shocking and awful cars. @@turn6garage640
I've decommissioned a lot of the VE/VF Commodores and now seeing some ZB start to arrive for decom. Didn't do that one though, I always cut the lightbar loom flush to the roof and duct tape over the hole.
Wow, that is cool! I know in the VE’s, one of the cores is cut in behind the curtesy light to deactivate blackout mode, was there no blackout mode on the VF? This one came up from Porirua/Wellington. Thanks for the comment man!
@@nonrasputin9260 yep the VE had the blackout up in the interior light, i can't actually remember where the VF had the blackout button, I want to say it was part of the light master switch in the center console. The cars always get the radios/super important stuff removed before they come to us, then off to get livery removed after decom then to auction. Bound to be a VF at work, will check in the morning and let you know. Cheers
Cheers mate! Yes, the standard patrol cars are/were the 3ltr Evokes, and the highway patrol car are/were the 3.6ltr Sv6's. I'd own an ex-cop car any day, what they break they fix, what hasn't been broken is battle hardened! lol
Great find! Curious about the LSD, The Evoke 3.0 had a smaller 195mm (VS 210 on the SV6/SS) diff for efficiency which didn't have an LSD option to my knowledge, be interesting to see the sticker on the bottom of the Diff for the ratio, part number and to confirm LSD
Hello mate, all NZ Police Evokes were fitted with limited slip differentials and FE2 suspension, which is non-standard. The differentials are marked as LSD and have a ratio of 3.27 and you are correct, is the smaller 195mm. Unsure why they never got the lfx engines, but I’m assuming they stuck with the lfw’s for the cost and minor fuel efficiency
@@nonrasputin9260 I'm curious too why they got the 3.0. Fuel economy was the same as the 3.6 (except on paper) as you have to push the 3.0 to get it up too highway speeds. My brother had a wagon and floored it everywhere. Even upgraded the exhaust and cold air induction. It was OK but far from the power of the 3.6.
All Evoke police packs had FE2 suspension, not an LSD. NZ police vehicles were a standard police pack in Aus. Every else you mentioned came with the police pack. SV6,SS & SSV with 3.6lt (210kw) engines had FE2 suspension. Calais had FE1.5. The right hand thumb wheel on the steering wheel was used to detect a motorist speed. Once pressed it would show the actual speed, and show the driver "speed detected" in the instrument cluster. You can check the build plate to confirm if it is a police pack. Ex Holden vehicle supplier. Hope it helps.
@@alanrichards6963 Current Holden technician here XD. The VIN of this vehicle has the RPO code G80 applied to it which means it has an LSD. And yes it is designated as a police car from factory based off of the RPO codes.
Not sure, the service record notes the centre muffler was replaced not that long ago, so I think they were chasing the fault to. I rekon this one was particularly clogged as it sat idling for months on the covid border between Auckland/Northland
You may also find that the red and blue LED lights fitted inside the rear reverse light lens are still there. I serviced an old MOT. v3000 someone had bought and the red grill lights were still there and they worked someone forgot to remove before it was sold.
Yes, they were still in there I believe, you could kind of only just see them on an angle, but, all the light controllers etc were removed so I couldn’t power them
A friend of mine ended up with an ex police car from turners auctions in christchurch around the early 2000's. Still had some of the emergency lighting inside the taillights. Being a Nissan s14 Silvia, it was probably the rarest and least known about NZ unmarked patrol car. Up until a few years ago car jam would suggest it was still being used and road legal. Interestingly enough, completely by accident I came across an archive video on TH-cam of the very same car attending a vehicle crash: Circa 1996/98ish possibly?? Although wearing different number plates than in later years.
@@GAZZA55Yep, it certainly was a conversation piece. And interesting not many are aware they were used. I know there was a least two in the Canterbury fleet. Although I don't know how many were used throughout NZ, if any others ? I'll dig out the video when I get a minute and post a link.
In Ireland, the Gardaí (Police) actually CRUSH ex patrol cars once they see 300k km....they used sell them them at auction but now they say they're afraid of being sued for selling defective goods .....😅😅 so they go to the crusher
You know whats funny? I actually bought a 2016 VF evoke that was also an ex cop car and was a write-off repair. Great car. Even found some custom hardware and some leftover disposable breathalyser tubes still sealed in the boot.
Couple years ago I looked at getting an ex Queensland cop car thinking they would be quiet cheap. Boy was I put in my place. They were getting more than retail for them. Tried also ex hire cars and they were the same as retail. I asked the auctioneer why they command so much. They said it's because of their service history. A guy at work bought a 4yr old cop car and I was surprised he paid $1000 more than I did. Both had around 80.000k's on the clock.
That sounds about right eh, if you buy private, can you really trust the service history? I tend to sway more towards cop cars now for that very reason mate
These cars were great. Big heavy V6 rear wheel drive. The newer European made "Holdens" that replaced them are front wheel drive and rubbish. Miss driving these😊
Just swapped an ounce of gold for a mint condition VZ paddy waggon with alloy tray. Doing it up. Have 9 VY, VZ UTES now couple sedans and a VX CALAIS SERIES 3 LS1
Hey mate, the more you can do yourself, the better. Test drive if you can, as sometimes the transmissions can change gear harshly due to wear and tear, good luck
Hey mate, is that on how to reconnect the steering controls on an ex-cop car? I have a set of instructions I can send you, just email me sweetrasputin22@gmail.com
Great video, shes an oldie but a goodie! where did you get your info about the cars past, just because I just bought one here in NZ. Also subbed to support! ❤😊
Thanks mate, appreciated! I started with the service records, that show where in the country it was being serviced, which you should be able to request from customfleet, then I started searching for pictures using the plate number and found a whole lot of interesting stuff eh
Thanks mate! Unfortunately other than the rear muffler, nothing was able to be unbolted, so it would have meant multiple cuts to find the blockage. From the service history I saw that the centre muffler was replaced not long before I purchased it, so perhaps the police repairers were also chasing the same issue and possible the remnants of the old centre muffler were causing the clog. Luckily a replacement set is fairly common to find, if it wasent that, I would not know where to look next 😂
Ex pat in Brizzy from Auckland. Great video. The cops here have a plethora of makes in their fleets nationwide. The highway patrol usually roll in turbo Stingers. Town cars are either Toyotas or Hyundais. Seen Benzs on Gold coast. Stingers and SRT hemis in Nsw and lots of other stuff in between. Lots of Cruisers in the outback they like them 4wds and iloads to transport them bad guys and snap pics of u when u norty lol. Many others no doubt but thems the ones i seen on me travels. Add on if you like peeps.....
Wow, that is a collection, must make servicing etc tricky with so many variants! the SRT Hemi would be the one to get if you could, once the cops are finished thrashing it! Thanks mate
seems the NZ popo have pretty much completely switched to Skoda Octavias ( I think that's the model - wagons. Under GM) - for patrol cars, anyway. I think they still use commodores for unmarked cars.@@teeanahera8949
Hey mate, saw ur vid where you swapped the sv6 bumper onto the evoke, well I have an evoke and wanna do the same thing. Is there anything I should know before doing it, like the sensors for example? I’m also thinking of leaving the DRL’s not wired because I have electrical background at all haha. Also, would you recommend changing the side skirt as well as removing the mudflaps? If so do I need to buy anything else to replace the mudflap, or is the mudflap just a ‘bolt on’ Cheers
Hey mate, the guard inners are different between the evoke and the sv6, so youll need those. If you buy a bumper, best to get a complete one if possible, it works out cheaper in the end. The sv6 bumper harness will plug into the evoke wiring and the sensors will work, but as you say, the DRL's won't. Its real easy to get the DRL's working, just score a DRL controller module online, then all you need to tap into, is ACC power, L and R side DRL and one of the headlight power lines. You can do the side skirts too, but then youre best to do the rear bumper also (are you in Nz? pretty sure I have a mildly damaged complete sv6 rear bumper if you are keen). The side skirts are identical to the VE sv6 ones, so score those from pickapart or similar for cheap. Its a cool project, reach out if you have more questions bro!
@@nonrasputin9260bro I only just realised you’ve replied! Thanks for replying too. I’ve actually got a wagon, so I was thinking of keeping the rear bumper stock and just do the skirts and front bumper. I’m also in AUS but I appreciate the offer!! I’ve spoken with some people to help get the DLR’s wired in so I’m keen for that! I’m waiting for parts to get ordered in now!! Thanks again Also, i have a series 1, however wanna get the series 2 front bumper. Will an S2 bumper work with the S1 car? As well, if I get an S2 bumper, will I need S2 inner guards? Or can either series inner guards be used? Cheers again my bro!
Had this vehicle now for a month now, its been going good but just found out that it does not like 95 fuel, i had a check engine light when putting thag in and it tripped the o2 sensor bank 2 and now i have to take it to the shop again, idk why but its rough idling and nearly stalling and came up with p0174 and p0171 code
Id say stick with 91 as that’s all it’s been run on it’s entire life. Those codes relate to the fuel mixture running too lean, possibly due to the different fuel, but I would not have thought so eh
One of my commodores is an ex police 09 Omega, the police owned it for all of 4 months before they wrecked it and someone fixed it up after the auction, I really want to know how it got wrecked but probably won’t ever know
I used to own an ex police car. Massive pos, I was the 3rd owner after the police and all the wiring under the dash was a massive birds nest. Glad it’s gone but I also miss it
Always sad to see NZers behaving dumb as fuck as during the Wellington occupation. Glad to see a future rare classic rescued though - won't be long until even average punters are remembering the humble Commodore with nostalgia, even if it's only because they rode in the back of one on the way to the cells one early Saturday morn - well done!
I’ve had mixed info on that eh, some people say there is a police mode others say a police chip, and other rekon it’s standard. It certainly feels like it goes better than a standard Vf
Ah sweet! The checkpoints were there for awhile eh. The border with Waikato was harder to police as there was so much farmland. There were known underground tunnels used to smuggle kfc into Auckland…
My family have 3 of them and I have 1, engines are almost indestructible and so easy to fix by yourself, mine came with tickets and a police car instruction manual 😂😅
FYI the vehicle has never been owned by custom fleet and was not leased this vehicle was owned by new zealand police and a simple car jam report proves it 7:04
I'm surprised they got rid of this car so soon. If Motorway Patrol and Police Ten 7 has taught me anything, it's that the Kiwi police hold onto their cop cars for at least 10 years.
Seems pretty premature eh, but it’s usually a mixture of kms and age, mixed with the desire to move over to the new adopted Skoda platform (ugh)..Plus, it had a fault that was tricky to diagnose, so they cut their losses I guess
As far as I’m aware the Police mode options are not reversed when they offload them. I have driven a VF rental car before and the ex-police VF does feel more gutsy
For sure man, he’s my chief mechanic! Not to bad at auction, this was in a damaged car auction, so, even better of a deal at around 2/3 the price of an undamaged Commodore VF. It’s worth it if you are able to do the work eh
Our local highway patrol man here(,small town we dont bark at cops) said the last of the VF was best car he had ever had,pretty sure it was 3.6 210kw he used put 98 in it...Why would they put a 3.0 in a two tonne car with all gear and cops, should have the V8 in it like Aussie,so not wringing its neck everywhere..?!
I agree! Thankfully it’s a pretty decent 3.0, but I’d say budget had something to do with it, unfortunately. Would have been great to get the v8’s over here!
@@masterwindleborn sweet man, test drive if you can and just price up the repairs worst case scenario. Cop cars are great because they’ve been serviced on time and typically battle hardened
Oz and yankee cars have similar cut/bolts removed and wiring cut and pasted back. Sometimes you get a rare one where everything is put back together properly 😂
I had an ex police VE Omega. What an absolute shitbox that thing was. You name it, it broke or was so worn out it needed replacing. Just problem after problem. For years. Never again.
@@nonrasputin9260 yeah mate. It was gutting because I wanted a VE so bad, and kept pouring money into it just for the next four figure repair. Subscribed too mate, and dropped a like 👍
Looking at the service records, the center muffler had been replaced recently, so I’m thinking maybe the baffling material etc from the failed one may have caused a blockage downstream? As soon as I changed out the exhaust system, it was night and day change eh
I am Police mans in Pakistan 🇵🇰 We use Ex military War Camel with FE2 suspension kit & twin kebab holders. Fully sick & sweet at the same times. Bacon Akbar!!
I’ll take that as a compliment mate, thank you! I’m based in Auckland, unfortunately no workshop, just my driveway for fun stuff. There are a few decent ones around that I’d trust for the tricky stuff
Hey mate, no, the Police were using the VE/VF at the time the FGX's were released. The last time a Falcon was used as a cop car would have been around the EA/EB era
I bought an ex-hwy patrol ve ss, i had 2 ve ss commodores prior to this one and i found it cheap so i thought why not. In the 12 months i had that car it was definitely an experience. I bought it knowing i hsd to do a few things to get it up to scratch but was i in for it. From wheel bearings to interior trim pieces to ticky lifters...and 7k later, the last straw was a head gasket. Sold it at an 8k loss. The upsides though was the hwy patrol cars ran suspension that was about an inch lower than a normal ss and it had 3.27 diff ratio instead of the standard 2.92, and because it was beaten on most its life it went harder than my old ve ss that had exhaust, intake and a tune. Enjoyed your videos on this thing!
Oh man, we never got the v8’s for cop use over here, but I totally get why you bought it, what could possibly go wrong, right? Thanks for the feedback and telling your story, I can image you totally regret selling it eh… Cheers mate!
Well the covid mandates were ruled a human rights abuse by the high court, so the protests were fairly understandable in hindsight... anyway I had the ute version, ex commercial vehicles from what I could tell. It had rhe 3.6L engine from the SV6...
For sure, I think everyone has the right to protest peacefully eh. Oh yeah, I had heard that the ute Evokes had the sv6 engine and trans, must have gone decent with the lower kurb weight eh
I used to work for Johnstone Ebbett and I've driven this car multiple times. Nice to see the old girl is still kicking and it being fixed up
No Waaaay!!!! Thank you so much for commenting, I gave it a well deserved retirement gift 🎁 thanks!
Jeez they're rough with the fitouts in NZ. I've had a couple of police cars in Australia and they certainly weren't brutalised that much. I'm sure it was cheap tho and glad it was an easy fix. :)
Don't forget that the Police here in Australia will move their cars on after 3-4 years or so, depending on mileage. It's been nearly 3 years since I've seen a Commodore on Cop duty here in Melbourne.
I had an ex SA PD VE series 2 for just over 10 years , i purchased it from auction and it had only done a years service with the police.
It was in excellent condition and no holes in the carpet of dashboard etc.
The only thing i had to do was remove the extra battery in the boot and add new carpets.
A great car and i loved it.
@@davidthomas9 very true, not many get to 150000 km but I'm more just talking about the brutality of the fitouts and the cutting of things in a way that doesn't happen here. They seem to be much more concerned with resale in Australia. I was involved in servicing NSW police cars up to VE and once they were stripped there would just be a few screw holes in some cheap trim and a bit of extra wear on the seat bolsters from big belts and things and aside from that the average person wouldn't really know their history.
This was just hacked up tho, be a bit of work to remove all evidence! ;)
I seen heaps at auction. No more. When you jump in to have a look the aftershave and anti perspirant fumes is ghastly.
Yer....our government clames it spends about $120000 on a new cop car....nz government won't even release the costs 😄probly got thire cuz to fit it out in the back shed for some p...and pocketed the rest.
Many years ago i purchased an ex ministry of transport - MOT Mitsubishi V3000 and it was bulletproof the engine/gearbox had no problems the interior was remarkably tidy and all the emergency gear had been carefully removed. I think the difference between my V3000 and the Commodore is MOT traffic officers often had take home patrol cars so the officers tended to look after them unlike police officers who were harder on the patrol cars that were pool vehicles
I had one as well 5 speed manual,it was tidy as well,i thought was quick at the time.lol
Nz made too
I remember those, as you say, I think that the mot guys looked after their cars pretty well, and those v3000’s flew!
@@nonrasputin9260 when the police/ mot merged in 92 the V3000s were in service past there used by date because they were reliable and popular with officers and yes they were fast many speeders in V8s were surprised at how quick the V3 was
@@brittenv1000 it was a unique car for the nz market about 500 served with the MOT and service records were sent to Japan to help Mitsubishi improve the V6 engine
I was fortunate enough in 2018 to purchase an ex Vic police VF2 wagon here in Melbourne less than a year old with under 20,000 on the clock LS3 6.2lt V8 and in excellent condition. Best car I've ever owned. Waiting for FOI to come back with more info for me. Even got photos of it in it's VicPol livery. I like to think it was only used for trips to the local donut shop.
Man, what a score! I wonder why they moved it on after 20k km? Man, that's lucky!
@@nonrasputin9260 probably had a requirement to get more unfit for purpose EV's.
@@nonrasputin9260 At the time they were changing over to BMW. Could be part of the reason...
Fair chance it was a driver training car and got the life flogged out of it.
Really enjoyed that I regret not being mechanically minded I would enjoy tinkering around and getting a great result. Thank You for sharing
Thanks mate, I appreciate it! Just start small and before you know it, you’ll be rearing engines out! Thanks!
Love your assessment of that whole "situation" that was going on in New Zealand 🤣. Years ago my brother in law bought a cop communications truck and was going to make it into a camper. It still had all the gear in it, radios etc. The cops got in touch with him months after he bought it and asked for all their gear back 🤣
and he said NO
@@kelvincollyer5738 Lets just say the cops didn't get it all back 😉
hahahahahaha
id tell them they them there is no further lines of inquiry on that case
Just found your channel. Great viewing and I’m hooked. Keep it coming
Hey thanks mate, appreciate it, definitely more to come!
I picked up an ex police ZB 2.0T liftback from Turners about a month ago, apart from the fuel flap not locking its perfect, very quick and economical, the 9spd transmission is the best auto i have ever experienced
They are a brilliant car eh, loads of features for the money and go really well, regardless of how hard the cops thrashed them!
Nice work and great info. I purchased one (Ex Pol Evoke) from TURNERS last Friday and will be checking all the point you have identified
Thanks man! Good luck with your evoke, you won’t regret it! If you have any issues getting speakers, steering wheel volume control etc, check out my other video on the ex cop car and flick me a message if you need tips on getting it working. Cheers!
Funny how some of New Zealand fire services busiest stations are rocking trucks with millions of kilometers and are from the 90s and 2000s where the NZ Police replace their vehicles every 5 years with only 150-200k kilometers.
True! In saying that, perhaps the fire trucks are owned by the fire service, whereas the police cars are leased from customfleet?
Somehow the managers never allow their utes or fancy vehicles to be 5 years old.. yet they tolerate trucks literally snapping axles to warrant retirement.
I worked for the company that leased these to the police. One of the projects I did was a repairs / service costs audit.
I think, from seeing all the things that need fixing on these that the cops take pride in destroying them. Like being hard on gear is macho or something
Oh cool, you worked for customs fleet? Hahaha you are probably right, these cars definitely were not driven sedately, but the way I see it, what wasent broken and replaced, became battle hardened! One would hope that it was all in the line of duty eh. Thanks for reaching out
It's a Holden, they break😂
@@louisbarningham Very rarely outside of police cars do we see VFs have major failures even when thrashed. Never seen anyone as hard on kit as the police hahaha
In 2012,i brought an Ex Highway Patrol car,2009 VE SS,Holden. Mechanical the car was mint,having only 120,000kms on the clock,with a detailed service history and repairs supplied. Internally a different story and similar to yours. NZ Police must have fitted 4 radios to their Highway Patrol cars as there was 4 antennas mounts in different locations.I still have this car as a daily runner,clocking up 300,500kms now.
Far out, that’s awesome, glad you’ve actually driven it like it should be, rather than just parking it up, good on you!
They really leave them in great condition....
Here in SA Australia
The cars look pretty original bar from secondary battery, and blackout button....a couple holes. But they don't drill or cut bodywork up....
Advice anyone in Australia buying and ex police car, try and get a country car ..city ones are bashed around and similar issues like this evoke!! Unless you want a project😊
Absolutely! Hence the sv6’s used for highway patrol are more sought after when they on sell them, they haven’t had the same abuse! Cheers mate
I bought an AU XR8 Falcon in 1999 with 40000ks on it. had the diff replaced under warranty and was a ripper for about 5 more years.
Wow, I would not have expected a diff on one of those to fail in such a short period of time, lucky it was still under warranty eh! Cheers mate
Well done for taking on the challenge. Keep it in all its glory, there is some great fun to be had looking for cars with interesting histories. It looks like it had a very hard life, I have seen some police cars in the Australian auctions and there are a few that have come in similar condition. Some of the early 2018/19 BMW 5 series being sold last year were particularly shagged after their COVID duties.
Well said! Potential buyers should do as much research as possible before buying an ex cop car, especially as it may well be on the auction block due to damage/unexplained issues. Not sure if I’d take the chance on a euro ex-cop car eh…
@@nonrasputin9260 The 5s wore their mileage worse than the Holdens. There were X5s, Passats and Tiguans as well as a swag of Kias. Not cars I would take a chance on.
Especially with the cost for parts on euro cars. And they aren't simple cars to work on, generally.@@nonrasputin9260
The BMW and VW are faring visibly better than the Ford and Holdens by a far margin. I see these cars every day .Have a look at the drivers seats for example. Good quality cars. The Chryslers wear rate is not as good though and very similar to the Holdens.The Kia GD cars are shocking and awful cars. @@turn6garage640
Nice job mate..myt have to look for damaged police cars..good score.
Hey thanks mate, just do your sums before you buy to account for “worse case” scenario and you’ll be sweet
I've decommissioned a lot of the VE/VF Commodores and now seeing some ZB start to arrive for decom. Didn't do that one though, I always cut the lightbar loom flush to the roof and duct tape over the hole.
Wow, that is cool! I know in the VE’s, one of the cores is cut in behind the curtesy light to deactivate blackout mode, was there no blackout mode on the VF? This one came up from Porirua/Wellington. Thanks for the comment man!
@@nonrasputin9260 yep the VE had the blackout up in the interior light, i can't actually remember where the VF had the blackout button, I want to say it was part of the light master switch in the center console. The cars always get the radios/super important stuff removed before they come to us, then off to get livery removed after decom then to auction. Bound to be a VF at work, will check in the morning and let you know. Cheers
Very interesting! I’ve got one of these myself and I didn’t know they had LSDs if they were ex police. I’ll have to have a look at mine
For sure, jack it up and you should see “LSD” on the printed barcode label affixed to the bottom of the diff. Cheers mate!
Brilliant video loved every minute of it :-)
Hey awesome, thank you!
Yeah wow. Didn't know they came with a 3ltr. Pretty sure they are 3.6ltrs in Australia. Look forward to the next one 👍
Cheers mate! Yes, the standard patrol cars are/were the 3ltr Evokes, and the highway patrol car are/were the 3.6ltr Sv6's. I'd own an ex-cop car any day, what they break they fix, what hasn't been broken is battle hardened! lol
@@nonrasputin9260 yep, the beauty of government used cars. No expense spared. You technically paid for this with your taxes.. 😏
I just brought mine it’s. 14 vf evoke sport wagon
@@kevinhalliday3683nice one mate, of all the wagons, I rekon these look the best!
VF Evoke was a 3 litre in Australia too, and so was VE2 Omega. The VE1 Omega had the 3.6 with port injection.
Great find! Curious about the LSD, The Evoke 3.0 had a smaller 195mm (VS 210 on the SV6/SS) diff for efficiency which didn't have an LSD option to my knowledge, be interesting to see the sticker on the bottom of the Diff for the ratio, part number and to confirm LSD
Hello mate, all NZ Police Evokes were fitted with limited slip differentials and FE2 suspension, which is non-standard. The differentials are marked as LSD and have a ratio of 3.27 and you are correct, is the smaller 195mm. Unsure why they never got the lfx engines, but I’m assuming they stuck with the lfw’s for the cost and minor fuel efficiency
My Ex Police Series 2 VE Omega also has the LSD, only found that out recently when the dude at VTNZ told me.
@@nonrasputin9260 I'm curious too why they got the 3.0. Fuel economy was the same as the 3.6 (except on paper) as you have to push the 3.0 to get it up too highway speeds. My brother had a wagon and floored it everywhere. Even upgraded the exhaust and cold air induction. It was OK but far from the power of the 3.6.
All Evoke police packs had FE2 suspension, not an LSD. NZ police vehicles were a standard police pack in Aus. Every else you mentioned came with the police pack. SV6,SS & SSV with 3.6lt (210kw) engines had FE2 suspension. Calais had FE1.5.
The right hand thumb wheel on the steering wheel was used to detect a motorist speed. Once pressed it would show the actual speed, and show the driver "speed detected" in the instrument cluster. You can check the build plate to confirm if it is a police pack.
Ex Holden vehicle supplier.
Hope it helps.
@@alanrichards6963 Current Holden technician here XD. The VIN of this vehicle has the RPO code G80 applied to it which means it has an LSD. And yes it is designated as a police car from factory based off of the RPO codes.
What concerns me about this is how did the servicing/maintenance agent let the car clog up with crap and not fix that? Nice video bud.
Not sure, the service record notes the centre muffler was replaced not that long ago, so I think they were chasing the fault to. I rekon this one was particularly clogged as it sat idling for months on the covid border between Auckland/Northland
Serviced at the mechanics behind city mission store, which is on Taranaki. Saw them fitting out the new low profile lights when I stayed at the lodge.
You may also find that the red and blue LED lights fitted inside the rear reverse light lens are still there. I serviced an old MOT. v3000 someone had bought and the red grill lights were still there and they worked someone forgot to remove before it was sold.
Yes, they were still in there I believe, you could kind of only just see them on an angle, but, all the light controllers etc were removed so I couldn’t power them
A friend of mine ended up with an ex police car from turners auctions in christchurch around the early 2000's. Still had some of the emergency lighting inside the taillights. Being a Nissan s14 Silvia, it was probably the rarest and least known about NZ unmarked patrol car.
Up until a few years ago car jam would suggest it was still being used and road legal.
Interestingly enough, completely by accident I came across an archive video on TH-cam of the very same car attending a vehicle crash: Circa 1996/98ish possibly??
Although wearing different number plates than in later years.
Yes that would indeed be a rear car most of the nissans were bluebirds with the old MOT.@@mikesievers1482
@@GAZZA55Yep, it certainly was a conversation piece.
And interesting not many are aware they were used. I know there was a least two in the Canterbury fleet. Although I don't know how many were used throughout NZ, if any others ?
I'll dig out the video when I get a minute and post a link.
Yes that will be good to see@@mikesievers1482
The trans tunnel screws are usually for taser not glock. Theres a boot mounted unit for lethal firearms
Ah ok, thanks for that bit of info, much appreciated!
cool vid, my mate bought one of these and found a whole lot of 'almost' empty drug bags stuffed under the seats
Score! Better than finding someone’s undies eh 😂
I recommend replacing the rear seats.
😂 certainly at least a deep clean….
really great video, bloke! nice one !!
Much appreciated mate!
Remember, if you speed you'll have to write your own ticket 😁
😂 😂 😂
Damn what a lucky fix. I was expecting a complete engine write-off, not just an exhaust swap.
Compression etc all checked out ok, so I was pretty happy once we traced the fault and changed the exhaust, how night and day the performance was eh
Did you find the exact cause of the exhaust blockage? That would be interesting to know.
In Ireland, the Gardaí (Police) actually CRUSH ex patrol cars once they see 300k km....they used sell them them at auction but now they say they're afraid of being sued for selling defective goods .....😅😅 so they go to the crusher
Ugh, what a waste!
You know whats funny? I actually bought a 2016 VF evoke that was also an ex cop car and was a write-off repair. Great car. Even found some custom hardware and some leftover disposable breathalyser tubes still sealed in the boot.
Hey that’s awesome mate! You kind of feel like a automotive archeologist when you find that stuff
Couple years ago I looked at getting an ex Queensland cop car thinking they would be quiet cheap. Boy was I put in my place. They were getting more than retail for them. Tried also ex hire cars and they were the same as retail. I asked the auctioneer why they command so much. They said it's because of their service history. A guy at work bought a 4yr old cop car and I was surprised he paid $1000 more than I did. Both had around 80.000k's on the clock.
That sounds about right eh, if you buy private, can you really trust the service history? I tend to sway more towards cop cars now for that very reason mate
These cars were great. Big heavy V6 rear wheel drive. The newer European made "Holdens" that replaced them are front wheel drive and rubbish. Miss driving these😊
Exactly, they feel super stable and “present” on the road eh
Heh, I was your 1000th sub. Great video!
Thanks for the sub!
Just swapped an ounce of gold for a mint condition VZ paddy waggon with alloy tray. Doing it up. Have 9 VY, VZ UTES now couple sedans and a VX CALAIS SERIES 3 LS1
Wow, those must be pretty rare mate, good stuff! And they are only getting rarer!
@@nonrasputin9260 just the usual couple coins😂no rare dates on coins.
Been considering an ex police VF seeing as their coming up cheap interesting to know how much goes into making one really usable again.
Hey mate, the more you can do yourself, the better. Test drive if you can, as sometimes the transmissions can change gear harshly due to wear and tear, good luck
For what its worth, I quite love my ex cop car VF.
@@nonrasputin9260 Luckily im a Mechanic by trade and my background is predominantly GM so fixing any issues on one is no biggie.
I got lucky with my 2016 evoke ex police . New trans fitted jan 2020 - car bought by me not long after. I am happy as with the car👍
@@Moolaanz awesome stuff mate!
Crazy the amount of holes they can drill in that thing and not need a cert
Extra weight reduction for high speed chases
7:37 Looks like Puhinui Road onramp westbound onto SH20 (southwestern)...
Looking back, you could be spot on mate
@@nonrasputin9260Between that and Kouhoura park on another vid I just watched, I'm betting you're a Pakitoetoeite. I was too, 30+ years ago.
Hiya , have you got a video of how to reconnect the steering wheel controls . Cheers.
Hey mate, is that on how to reconnect the steering controls on an ex-cop car? I have a set of instructions I can send you, just email me sweetrasputin22@gmail.com
Great video, shes an oldie but a goodie! where did you get your info about the cars past, just because I just bought one here in NZ. Also subbed to support! ❤😊
Thanks mate, appreciated! I started with the service records, that show where in the country it was being serviced, which you should be able to request from customfleet, then I started searching for pictures using the plate number and found a whole lot of interesting stuff eh
It's got a cop motor, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks
😂 “well thank you pal, the day I get out of prison, my own brother pics me up in a police car!”
very interesting video i thought. im curious as to why was it easier to replace the exhaust rather find the blockage?
Thanks mate! Unfortunately other than the rear muffler, nothing was able to be unbolted, so it would have meant multiple cuts to find the blockage. From the service history I saw that the centre muffler was replaced not long before I purchased it, so perhaps the police repairers were also chasing the same issue and possible the remnants of the old centre muffler were causing the clog. Luckily a replacement set is fairly common to find, if it wasent that, I would not know where to look next 😂
Ex pat in Brizzy from Auckland. Great video. The cops here have a plethora of makes in their fleets nationwide. The highway patrol usually roll in turbo Stingers. Town cars are either Toyotas or Hyundais. Seen Benzs on Gold coast. Stingers and SRT hemis in Nsw and lots of other stuff in between. Lots of Cruisers in the outback they like them 4wds and iloads to transport them bad guys and snap pics of u when u norty lol. Many others no doubt but thems the ones i seen on me travels. Add on if you like peeps.....
Wow, that is a collection, must make servicing etc tricky with so many variants! the SRT Hemi would be the one to get if you could, once the cops are finished thrashing it! Thanks mate
Vic/NSW uses BMWs and unmarked Subaru WRXs among others.
seems the NZ popo have pretty much completely switched to Skoda Octavias ( I think that's the model - wagons. Under GM) - for patrol cars, anyway. I think they still use commodores for unmarked cars.@@teeanahera8949
Well, at least most of it was about the car I guess, went off on abit of a tangent for abit there😂
Hahahaha I hear you mate! Definitely a story worth telling I rekon though
Hey mate, saw ur vid where you swapped the sv6 bumper onto the evoke, well I have an evoke and wanna do the same thing. Is there anything I should know before doing it, like the sensors for example? I’m also thinking of leaving the DRL’s not wired because I have electrical background at all haha. Also, would you recommend changing the side skirt as well as removing the mudflaps? If so do I need to buy anything else to replace the mudflap, or is the mudflap just a ‘bolt on’
Cheers
Hey mate, the guard inners are different between the evoke and the sv6, so youll need those. If you buy a bumper, best to get a complete one if possible, it works out cheaper in the end. The sv6 bumper harness will plug into the evoke wiring and the sensors will work, but as you say, the DRL's won't. Its real easy to get the DRL's working, just score a DRL controller module online, then all you need to tap into, is ACC power, L and R side DRL and one of the headlight power lines. You can do the side skirts too, but then youre best to do the rear bumper also (are you in Nz? pretty sure I have a mildly damaged complete sv6 rear bumper if you are keen). The side skirts are identical to the VE sv6 ones, so score those from pickapart or similar for cheap. Its a cool project, reach out if you have more questions bro!
@@nonrasputin9260bro I only just realised you’ve replied! Thanks for replying too. I’ve actually got a wagon, so I was thinking of keeping the rear bumper stock and just do the skirts and front bumper. I’m also in AUS but I appreciate the offer!! I’ve spoken with some people to help get the DLR’s wired in so I’m keen for that! I’m waiting for parts to get ordered in now!! Thanks again
Also, i have a series 1, however wanna get the series 2 front bumper. Will an S2 bumper work with the S1 car? As well, if I get an S2 bumper, will I need S2 inner guards? Or can either series inner guards be used? Cheers again my bro!
Mate got an ve from the auctions and it had side intrusion bars in the front doors
He's had nothing but trouble mainly with the computer abs
That’s no good man, may need to change out all your wheel sensors
Nice job!
Thanks mate, I have half a suspicion that if I cut the old exhaust up I’d find a potato!
Had this vehicle now for a month now, its been going good but just found out that it does not like 95 fuel, i had a check engine light when putting thag in and it tripped the o2 sensor bank 2 and now i have to take it to the shop again, idk why but its rough idling and nearly stalling and came up with p0174 and p0171 code
Id say stick with 91 as that’s all it’s been run on it’s entire life. Those codes relate to the fuel mixture running too lean, possibly due to the different fuel, but I would not have thought so eh
One of my commodores is an ex police 09 Omega, the police owned it for all of 4 months before they wrecked it and someone fixed it up after the auction, I really want to know how it got wrecked but probably won’t ever know
Interesting, did you try googling the plate and going through images? That’s how I managed to get some pics of this one eh
what was the crash auction website
I think it was turners mate
I used to own an ex police car. Massive pos, I was the 3rd owner after the police and all the wiring under the dash was a massive birds nest. Glad it’s gone but I also miss it
That was an emotional roller coaster man! It can take a bit to get it back to original, some needing more work than others. Cheers mate
Always sad to see NZers behaving dumb as fuck as during the Wellington occupation. Glad to see a future rare classic rescued though - won't be long until even average punters are remembering the humble Commodore with nostalgia, even if it's only because they rode in the back of one on the way to the cells one early Saturday morn - well done!
Hahahaha thanks mate, much appreciated! You never know, you may see this car at Motat one day…
Thought have some motor mods. Cheers
I’ve had mixed info on that eh, some people say there is a police mode others say a police chip, and other rekon it’s standard. It certainly feels like it goes better than a standard Vf
Wow thats so cool how I literally live about 2 minutes from where it was sent up to near Waipu
Ah sweet! The checkpoints were there for awhile eh. The border with Waikato was harder to police as there was so much farmland. There were known underground tunnels used to smuggle kfc into Auckland…
How did you clean the cat converter ?
Soak in vinegar for a day or so and then rinse really well. The carbon just kind of disolves eh
Save the Commodore!
Hell yeah brother!
My family have 3 of them and I have 1, engines are almost indestructible and so easy to fix by yourself, mine came with tickets and a police car instruction manual 😂😅
I totally believe you! That’s awesome, it’s like the most car you can get for good money eh
Awesome video!
Thank you so much!
You might have also gotten the map lights on the roof.
Yes, definitely has the reading lights up top 👍
Evoke, was that sold as a Commodore in Australia?
Same models in Nz and Aus, the Commodore Evoke was the base model Commodore, then it was Commodore sv6, SS etc
FYI the vehicle has never been owned by custom fleet and was not leased this vehicle was owned by new zealand police and a simple car jam report proves it 7:04
Only going off the info provided bro, cheers mate!
i get to learn about the inside of a cop car and this time I don't even need a box of mavvies
😂 for sure man!
I'm surprised they got rid of this car so soon. If Motorway Patrol and Police Ten 7 has taught me anything, it's that the Kiwi police hold onto their cop cars for at least 10 years.
Seems pretty premature eh, but it’s usually a mixture of kms and age, mixed with the desire to move over to the new adopted Skoda platform (ugh)..Plus, it had a fault that was tricky to diagnose, so they cut their losses I guess
@@nonrasputin9260 but as you said it’s leased these days 3 years they throw u a new one 😂
10 7 in the UK is at least 10 years old 😄
Is the police chip and upgrades to block still in it ?
As far as I’m aware the Police mode options are not reversed when they offload them. I have driven a VF rental car before and the ex-police VF does feel more gutsy
subscribed just to get you that one closer to 1000!!, great content, where did you take the back pressure reading from?
Thank you!! Back pressure was measured at the o2 port
Good to see you had the four legged assistant! 🙂What sort of money to get one at auction?
For sure man, he’s my chief mechanic! Not to bad at auction, this was in a damaged car auction, so, even better of a deal at around 2/3 the price of an undamaged Commodore VF. It’s worth it if you are able to do the work eh
Our local highway patrol man here(,small town we dont bark at cops) said the last of the VF was best car he had ever had,pretty sure it was 3.6 210kw he used put 98 in it...Why would they put a 3.0 in a two tonne car with all gear and cops, should have the V8 in it like Aussie,so not wringing its neck everywhere..?!
I agree! Thankfully it’s a pretty decent 3.0, but I’d say budget had something to do with it, unfortunately. Would have been great to get the v8’s over here!
@@nonrasputin9260 *The 3.O V6 has fcuk all torque. Gutless as Fcuk. Couldn't pull the skin off a rice custard.*
great vid mate
Thanks 👍
How much did it cost you in the end. Low key been wanting to buy one tbh
About 2/3rds the cost of a non damaged one, so, the more you can do yourself, the cheaper it makes it, cheers mate
@nonrasputin9260 thanks mate! Been at turners a few times looking but sometimes they are well over priced for the damage I swear to god
@@masterwindleborn sweet man, test drive if you can and just price up the repairs worst case scenario. Cop cars are great because they’ve been serviced on time and typically battle hardened
Oz and yankee cars have similar cut/bolts removed and wiring cut and pasted back. Sometimes you get a rare one where everything is put back together properly 😂
9 times out of 10 it’s not though eh 😂
What's with the "up and down" of your voice volume?
Sorry man, possibly using different mics eh
How did you buy it
Public auction mate
@@nonrasputin9260 shot bro
I had an ex police VE Omega. What an absolute shitbox that thing was. You name it, it broke or was so worn out it needed replacing. Just problem after problem. For years. Never again.
No way! That’s gutting man
@@nonrasputin9260 yeah mate. It was gutting because I wanted a VE so bad, and kept pouring money into it just for the next four figure repair.
Subscribed too mate, and dropped a like 👍
@@scottcarter2362 I know what it’s like eh, sometimes it is just the right thing to cut losses and get another one… thanks heaps mate!
Cool video!
Glad you enjoyed it mate!
NZ went overboard with Covid
Hard to say eh, either that or everyone else went underboard… it was crazy times
@@nonrasputin9260 NZ, Australia and Canada were world famous for their draconian lockdowns. The occupation was justified
Oh interesting! I have liked and subscribed-yeah!
Welcome aboard! Thank you for the feedback
Did u end up finding the cause of the blockage? Or would it be something that was caused by blowing the tranny after reversing like a muppet?
Looking at the service records, the center muffler had been replaced recently, so I’m thinking maybe the baffling material etc from the failed one may have caused a blockage downstream? As soon as I changed out the exhaust system, it was night and day change eh
Pretty sure Rod Harvey's Pro Low Falcon was x police
I think you could be right mate 👍
How much was the car and total to fix it.
It cost around 2/3 the price of an undamaged ex police commodore and mainly time to fix it up, really. The exhaust was 2nd hand
@nonrasputin9260 good stuff it's worth 10k now. Good job boss
I am Police mans in Pakistan 🇵🇰 We use Ex military War Camel with FE2 suspension kit & twin kebab holders. Fully sick & sweet at the same times.
Bacon Akbar!!
😂 😂 😂
Interesting to see the back seat wasn't f*cked, they usually get pulled out regularly to find drugs etc
It was a bit grimy underneath where the “customers” sat, but generally in decent condition eh
Bud were are u located, do u have your own workshop? So hard to find a honest mechanic!
I’ll take that as a compliment mate, thank you! I’m based in Auckland, unfortunately no workshop, just my driveway for fun stuff. There are a few decent ones around that I’d trust for the tricky stuff
Nice vid mate
Hey thanks mate, I appreciate the feedback, cheers!
do they have fgx as cop cars in nz ?
Hey mate, no, the Police were using the VE/VF at the time the FGX's were released. The last time a Falcon was used as a cop car would have been around the EA/EB era
Am I surprised nz could only afford the evoke?
😂 😂
I would asume this was an I car. The most abused and least looked after. I would not be pocking around with bear hands in that car 😅
Hahaha is that due to the bodily fluids that get leaked out?
how do you clean the cat
Soak in vinegar for a day or so, then rinse really well. You need lots of vinegar eh
They have swapped police car brands in Nz now
That’s true, Skoda, now that Holden have closed shop
Ah the dreaded 3.0 not even the 3,6.
Yeah man, a cop spec evoke with a 3.6 would have been a nice semi-sleeper eh
Nice one bro
Thanks mate, much appreciated!
I recognize that on ramp
Good spotting mate!
Failing to stop for blue lollipops...
😂 😂 👍
I know that reserve Btw That the Papatoetoe Panthers football clubs, yeah i live not to far from there was weird seeing it in your video
Hahaha world famous in Papatoetoe
There ecu is re mapped aswell.
I’ve heard that too, but difficult to prove eh
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Welcome! glad you like the badges! Yes, I do happen to use the forerunner 235, can't beat it for simplicity. Cheers mate!
@@nonrasputin9260 In begin I watching Australian trucks,then Cutting Edge Enginiring,and TH-cam give me Youre video.Nice man!See ya!
How do you test back pressure? Is that a device you can get or do you have to go an exhaust shop or a mechanics?
It’s just a pressure gauge that most mechanics have. You could probably use a compression tester at a push maybe?
I bought an ex-hwy patrol ve ss, i had 2 ve ss commodores prior to this one and i found it cheap so i thought why not.
In the 12 months i had that car it was definitely an experience. I bought it knowing i hsd to do a few things to get it up to scratch but was i in for it.
From wheel bearings to interior trim pieces to ticky lifters...and 7k later, the last straw was a head gasket. Sold it at an 8k loss.
The upsides though was the hwy patrol cars ran suspension that was about an inch lower than a normal ss and it had 3.27 diff ratio instead of the standard 2.92, and because it was beaten on most its life it went harder than my old ve ss that had exhaust, intake and a tune.
Enjoyed your videos on this thing!
Oh man, we never got the v8’s for cop use over here, but I totally get why you bought it, what could possibly go wrong, right?
Thanks for the feedback and telling your story, I can image you totally regret selling it eh…
Cheers mate!
Head gasket failed because cops drive it hard without letting the engine warm up first
@@tomtom1541 no doubt. But very unusual for me to see an LS with a head gasket issue, well for me at least
What did you pay for it?
About 2/3 the price of a non-cop car, pretty reasonable, but, there was risk involved as it was in a damaged car auction
Well the covid mandates were ruled a human rights abuse by the high court, so the protests were fairly understandable in hindsight... anyway I had the ute version, ex commercial vehicles from what I could tell. It had rhe 3.6L engine from the SV6...
For sure, I think everyone has the right to protest peacefully eh. Oh yeah, I had heard that the ute Evokes had the sv6 engine and trans, must have gone decent with the lower kurb weight eh
New Zealand most dangerous drivers, with the highest accident rate above any other drivers. Kiwi
You could be right eh