Cody I just backed War Room based on your recommendation. I also bought Cthulhu Wars when that review came out. Please next time you absolutely fall in love with a game make it a cheap one.
I always equate value to the cost of a movie ticket. Its about $12 for 2hrs of entertainment at the theater for a single person(barring cheap day, etc.)...so $6 an hour. At $350 if you play the game for 8 hours, you will need to play it between 7-8 times to get "your moneys worth". But that is for a single person, there are more likely than not 3-4 people playing this game and you would be committed to playing it even less if you opt for the standard edition. My girlfriend and I long ago realized the value in board games(even expensive ones) can be vastly less expensive than a trip to the movies.
You forgot to mention persistent battles from turn to turn. I accidentally recreated guadalcanal as the US and Japan were rushing to send units to the area...all because of the pinning mechanic. I've stopped playing all other axis and allies iterations years ago because I felt there were unsolved problems with the game engine. Warroom fixes everything. Brilliant!
What a beautiful board! I can tell they must’ve spent a lot of time and effort creating it, kudos to the designers. Perhaps a round table, with an outer part that spins round, might prove to be helpful? Like the one in Indiana Jones the Temple of Doom, at the beginning. (I’ve always wanted one of them.) Also, the only thing I could say that the designers didn’t build into this game, from seeing this video, are the weather conditions. When moving across open land and sea, perhaps you could roll a weather dice. 1,2 fair conditions halves the movement time. 3,4 adverse conditions takes the normal time no change. 5,6 horrible conditions. Double the movement time. In some areas of the board, like Siberia for example, or in the desert. E.g. 1 = fair. 2 = adverse. 3,4,5,6 = horrible. With numbers varied for each unique territory. That would mean for example, Japan will be less likely to invade the USSR. Storms at sea will be a factor, (some Sea zones more prone than others). And the Rasputin wet mud in Belarus and Eastern Europe realised as well. If there’s a passage of time calendar, with seasons that affect logistics. Making planning logistics more realistic. I hope there’s wonder weapons, technologies and nukes as well?
After seeing your review, both my best friend & myself; bought it. You were right about Rampage, tough book to read; currently taking a prolonged break from it on audio book to recoup a little sanity. Your book list at the end of this video, it may take some time to get to all of them, but I'm all over them. Thanks Cody for all your game reviews and your point of view on history. Great music on your vids, and call me dorky, but I love the humor! If Larry inspires you to learn more about history, especially WWII, he does me as well. You and your channel are another source of inspiration to learn more too! I don't just say this lightly, it's sincere and heart felt. TH-cam allows people with a common interest to share those interests, and people like you and Larry inspire the desire to learn. Thanks again Cody! 🍻 History is something that should not be forgotten. The people who made that history should not be forgotten.
Great review, agree 100%. Absolutely fantastic game in every facet! The design of this was very innovative, with the oil bid, simultaneous movement, stress system, and homeland status tracker. They did a great job simplifying the rules from A&A. Always enjoy your content.
I just received my second edition copy in the mail. I have been playing wargames since 1975 and I can tell you that I was absolutely blown away by the production value in this game. From the box it comes in down to all the components I cannot imagine anything that could have been done any better. If you are hesitating because of price just forget about it, this game is well worth the money. Absolutely 10 out of 10! Well done Nightengale games and Larry Harris.
Such a good game, every single problem axis and allies had this game solved. No more down time, no more man spam, Italy/North Africa actually important. Hats of to Larry Harris. Really hit it out of the park with this one.
Hey Macker or Cody .. can you explain why you think the problems are solved? I dont see it? There is only 1 territory between Germany and Moscow on the map. Looks like massive meat grinder in there of dice chucking. Where is the strategy? Also, taking capital cities just seems to make the game drag on and on.. ive seen numerous session reports of the US building multiple fleets and chucking them at japan over and over. Seems exactly like AA. Any insight? Cheers.
Tarkonis One thing me and my group noticed is that unit lethality is way up. You can no longer hid behind a wall of men. Everything if fair game. So while yes occasionally you will have a contested territory like 1914 it really doesn’t happen all that much. And there really is a lot of strategy put into actual combat. The stances matter a lot. I understand the fears of a long meat grinder kind of a game but the moral board and combat system ensure that the writing is on the wall around turn 6 or 7. And those turns fly. With simultaneous movement there is no down time like he said. There is no waiting five or six rounds as America before you can start playing. No everybody is involved the entire time. Even little Italy has a much greater role than in AnA. Believe me I had your reservations but after one game I was blown away. It just works. Hit me up if you have any questions. I’ll be happy to answer them.
@@mackermicker2064 hey thanks for the reply. I think my original question still stands though. There seems to be no manoeuvre available in an area the size of Russia. There is a buffer of one area between eastern Poland and Moscow. What happens to the stacks of troops in that one territory? They just keep fighting and being reinforced until one side wins? The other reservation I had is that the game seems to reward mono stacking rather than combined arms. For example.. after some number crunching on the geek it seems the most powerful stack is just artillery
@@chadvader974 Ditto everything that Macker said. I would also say that Germany is not just attacking toward Moscow, they need to take other objectives like the Caucuses for oil production. There is a lot of decisions for how much Germany is going to set aside to defend North Africa/support Italy, and vice versa. As for Japan - there are a ton of options. Do you adopt an aggressive attitude toward India or Australia? Do you go all in in China? Do you say "screw the pact" and adopt a Russia strategy? One thing I love about this game is the depth of choices it presents the player. With the exception of Russia, which is largely playing defense against Germany, the USA and Britain both have tough strategic choices throughout the game as well. Very fun.
My group of four play once a week. We go back and forth between G40 and War Room. In seven years we probably amassed a total of 30-35 games of Global, and we’re starting game 6 of War Room. It’s hard to pin any of us down on which we enjoy more, which is probably why we continue playing both. One thing I will say about length of gameplay, War Room is a faster game, both in feel and in actuality. As you mentioned, each player in continuously involved, with very little downtime. Global, on the other hand, can really feel like a waiting game, especially if you are only playing one power such as Japan. The other factors that lend to War Rooms speed of play are the effects from stress (which again you mentioned) and the bombing of factories and rails which cannot be repaired. In all previous iterations of A&A, bombing seemed iffy with regards to risk/reward. Not only could your bombers be shot down prior to releasing their payloads, but also all damage incurred could be repaired on that players very next turn with a simple payment method. War Room, in my opinion, more closely depicts the severity of bombing raids on a territory. Even units in production are at risk of being destroyed, which again adds to the realism, and makes bombing raids a very serious threat. Love this game, and your introductory video did it justice. Well done.
Wow! That was one helluva a review that gave me pause. I may need to check this one out. I have played TI4 about eight times now and while I enjoy it I don't have a burning passion to play it.I love games that draw you in and take hours and hours though. This review from you now has me wanting to find someone in my area who is hosting the game. Thanks! Will be checking out your history page tonight.
Very interesting perspective on the game. I bought the game and have played it 3 times. I agree it’s a major improvement/evolution over A&A but it doesn’t come anywhere near being the best WWII wargame or even best wargame period. After one play, I had concerns about the combat system, which were verified in my 2nd and 3rd playthroughs. I hate how every battle turns into a bloody slugfest where whole armies are wiped out and the winner comes down to whichever side has more tanks since they’re harder to hit and therefore harder to kill. This aspect of the combat system really knocks this game down a few pegs for me. It scratches the itch of wanting to play a game with an A&A level of sophistication, but I would still place Triumph and Tragedy, or even Cataclysm above this game in the Strategic WWII category. Both of those games give the player more freedom on how to pursue victory and tailor your country’s military. Much like the original A&A, another problem I have with this game is it starting in roughly 1942. The game strategies are pretty much already laid out for each player. Russia defends, Germany has to decide how to pressure Russia while also supporting North Africa, and Japan has to decide whether to commit against China, go against India/Australia, or push against the US. As far as being a realistic WWII wargame, because of the issue with the combat system that I mentioned earlier, I’d take any WWII wargame that uses a traditional CRT (I.e. Unconditional Surrender, or Axis Empires) over War Room’s combat system.
Thanks for your perspective. I can agree that it would be nice to have more starting options and scenarios, say 1939? With regard to combat, I really enjoy it. Combat was a slugfest, and I think it does it very well. Perfect, no. I don't know that this is the best wargame or WWII game out there - but it is my favorite. When I say "favorite," it's a personal thing as opposed to objectively the best. I just enjoyed this game more than other games like T&T, to the point where if I'm going to play a big WWII game, I'd rather do this one. I don't know, I just fell in love with this game.
It doesn't have to be a bloodbath. Consider your stack composition. Carefully. Best stack 1inf, 1a, 6 t. But any variety of 6.1.1 works well. That 6 category will survive in defensive stance. Pining and the over run or push mechanic is my favorite element. That and simultaneous movement....and secret orders...railroads...resources production....I love it all.
As someone completely new to war gaming, could you recommend a similar experience? I just love how grand this looks. All other games I've seen are specific to a theatre or battle of ww2. Do you think the combat is a deal breaker, or could you house rule it some way
Almost backed this on KS, but just didn't think my regular gaming group would get into it. In the early 1980s, I designed a Cold War game with the same map board concept in mind but never got beyond rudimentary playtesting. Would love to see the War Room make a Cold War version.
Think twice if you will order the Jumbo Pack Expansion, unless $ no issue. The OOB map is pretty nice and I prefer it to the neoprene map which is awkward and often wrinkled. It is not much bigger anyway. The OOB is clearer too. I would use the $ to buy more pieces and dice, a la carte.
I wanted to back this one, but I was too resistant to buying it blind. I wanted to wait for it to exist and for people to actually start playing it, so I could do more research on it... or even play it myself, if I could be so lucky. Cody's review has really made me regret not blindly grabbing this now. lol
Very cool. Glad to know this is out there. A souped up Axis and Allies is a great idea. Ill probably never have time or money, but maybe some day the board game gods will smile on me.
I don't think setup is any worse that traditional Axis and Allies or TI4. I made my peace with that a long time ago. If I'm gonna spend 6-8 hours on a game, I would expect about 30-45 minutes for setup. I do love this game!
Hey Cody. I first discovered your channel from your Amazon review of Axis & Allies: Anniversary Edition! Ha. You are my favorite board game reviewer. Like you, I grew up on A&A (I became a high school history teacher). I was just shocked to hear you say that War Room replaced A&A for you, but also pleased. I was so hoping that Larry's new creation would land with success. I am now dying to play this game. I hope I don't regret spending that kinda cash, but I have a feeling I won't. Looks like TI4 level fun. Cheers and thanks for the channel.
I remember the kickstarter for this, it looks really amazing. I kind of hope this inspires some video games, especially in Virtual Reality, that capture a similar sense of immersion and scale. And with those war sticks of course.
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer I was watching when I wrote this. Wow, this is better than TI4? Damn I may actually look into getting this as soon as I have someone to play a game like this with. And actually Jerri Ellsworth is making an augmented reality tabletop device called TiltFive and she's talking to tabletopia and board game publishers. I'll try to pass this game on to her and see if she would want to contact the War Room team about porting this.
This is a BIG game!!! I love that it literally looks like the players are in a real War Room, complete with unit tokens and the little staves that you can use to move units across the board!!! What a comprehensive overview, seems like the mechanics are simple; but there's a lot to do per turn/round! And 3-9 hours?!! Wow!!! We've never played for that long before, but it seems like the wealth of actions, options, and moves justifies the playing time. Haven't seen this game in my country, I'll have to look into how to find and acquire it, if ever...also may need to save up for it!!! Good luck on your PhD!!!
Hey Cody. I just wanted to let you know that I showed this video to my gaming group and we will be buying it soon! One of my friends is wheeling and dealing Magic cards to cover the cost! Thanks for the awesome review!
looks impressive Though it feels chunky and a little saw on eyes ( feel some contrast with less detail or softer colour contrast would help on map and combat board). Some game mechanics intrigue me. And I love the map view it is more friendly for multi player. Sadly time is a factor, gone are the days of Axis and Allies, and attempts to get enough players for Diplomacy.
Damn you Cody. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. I was on the fence with this but only due to cost. I too owe my WW2 infatuation to L Harris for my teen years spent playing original axis n allies. For you to say this has trumped it and is your no1 game of choice is a BIG call. I hope it doesn’t sellout before I can scrape the cash for my copy. Great review. Great channel. Thank you.
Played this game 7 times with between 4 and 7 players. It's ace, buy it if you can. Larry Harris is also working on a new game called Imperial Borders which promises to be equally good.
Hey Cody! First of all... LOVE the shirt! Having been to the WWII Museum in NOLA, many times... I find it AMAZING! Have you gone to the Civil War Museum, almost across the street? That equally amazing! OK... War Room: Saw the KS... like the concept of A&A... SO... NOT a big enough table presence, but more importantly I'm a solo player, and don't even KNOW five or six people, I could play this game with. You, I'm assuming, have a pretty constant play group so many of these games are no problem for you... be grateful for that! My other concern is that while fighting WWII all over again is and would be fun, I'm a tactical player versus a strategic player. I like my soldiers running around, where I can count them... LOL! I can see where this would be a very fun game, IF you had the people and time to play it. I guess, in terms of getting any game to my table (small as it might be-- a 1950's kitchen table)... I'm finding DVG's Warfighter, "Rifles in the Ardennes/Pacific" and "Combat Infantry: West/East" to be a little more manageable. It would be great to play a game with you some day...
With regard to time and the strategic/tactical preference, I can't do anything. But I always scratch my head when people say they can't find people to play with. In the age of the internet it's the easiest thing in the world to find people with similar tastes in games. I moved down to Texas two and half years ago and knew no one in the area. Now, I have a ton of people I play regularly with. If you want to find fellow gamers, it just takes a little effort to find them - but they are out there.
Speaking of good books on WWII, I recommend, "Stopping the Panzers: The Untold Story of D-Day" by Marc Milner. I'm tempted to try War Room, but 9 hours!!! Warm regards, Rick.
If you are still searching. the 2nd kickstarter is now available to purchase. www.kickstarter.com/projects/nightingale-games/war-room-a-larry-harris-game-2nd-edition
Nice review as always. I am a little worried as I have put two years into customizing, painting and magnetizing hundreds of pieces for my Global 1940 game. My bro and I attend the annual Global 1940 Bloodbath (Sireblood's G40 Bloodbath Rules) event and have probably played Global 1940/BBR over 300 times in the past two years. I am concerned because after all that work I am not so inclined to play Axis & Allies any longer. It feels a little flat now and I do not really miss the minis. Axis & Allies will need an evolution via house rules to regain its appeal. Throwing 50 dice at a time used to be fun. Now it seems pointless and anti-climatic. What is fun now is bidding 6 oil to move first and then finding out the enemy has moved into the same space with a bigger force and bid no oil! Then having to decide, does one drag the battle(s) out as long as possible by going on the defensive or go big and try to destroy as much as possible with a likely total loss. The inevitable mis-written commands/orders are also fun but equally frustrating...fog of war. The cost may seem high but I see value in the price given the quality of the game, the variety of components, the box, etc. I suppose if one could get a map printed one could use discs and other components to build a "poor man's" version. Might try a video on this later. Most GMT games (which are pretty high quality and usually just cardboard) are $80 to $90 so ~$250 does not seem that bad. Once can easily drop $250 or more on Global 1940 with some customization or additional purchases. The game time could be an issue for some, agree. We had our 1st 4 player game with 2 new players. 1 hour for set-up and rules. Game time was about 8 hours with additional rule look-ups/etc. With 2 experienced players we get through a game in about four to five hours with a capitulation (usually Axis) typical after turn 4-6. It is an exhausting game, however....mentally. Setup time is no more than Global 1940. 2 experienced players (my bro and I have about 20 games under our belt) can setup G40 in 30 minutes. About the same for War Room. The printed set-up on the War Room commands really helps. Anyhoo....I am with you...if you can afford it, buy it or sell some underplayed games to afford it. It isn't Axis & Allies and one should not go into it thinking that. Erase any preconceptions and try it. My next purchase is the v3 map of Historical Board Gaming 1936-1945. Players say it is the evolution of Axis & Allies Global 1940. I hope it is good as I need something else to play other than War Room! I am also looking forward to Larry's next game on which he is working. Finally, buy a lazy Susan and something on which to place the board (foam board, plywood, etc.). Being able to spin the board around makes moving, battles and strategy discussions so much better. I want a round map and spin-ability with every game now! My 2 cents...Steve
Moff, you mentioned a poor man's version. I actually brought this up to the powers that be. Actually, all you need for the game--basics mind you---are what I call the flats. Absolutely the map and battle board and stress tracker. The rest could be managed by keeping track on a pad of paper. The cards would be next in order of importance. Then the command tokens. Followed by the dice. You could piecemeal the game from spare parts. For instance I bought the deluxe and have an extra map and battle board and dice set. I want to pass those onto my son and give it a shot.
@@randyvandyke1 Will there be a digital version of the map available? All other items can be recreated or purchased a la carte. Don't want to dip into Nightingale profits or any copyright issues. Not sure if the map/boards are copyrighted anyway. I would actually like to get a digital map as I want to create a board with some tables and rules printed on a border. Not a fan of the neoprene map....might give away or sell.
So what WAS your favorite boardgame, prior to War Room! Or is that game still your favorite game that can be played in under three hours? I think we need two categories for "Favorite Boardgame"... 1) Playtime is three hours or more 2) Playtime is under three hours. Anyway, so this is better than 'Empire of the Sun', or 'Unconditional Surrender', huh?
All the way up to your book recommendations... Ah, I see where you're going with that counter question! TI4 would be your answer, of course. Guess I never considered that to be your answer given the number of games under three hours that you've gushed about in the past... So I just assumed your previous favorite would be in the "under three hours" category. Also, I just read one of your other responses above, where you distinguished between claiming a game is the best vs being your favorite. Anyway, I'm glad to hear the WR is your favorite. I'm still trying to gather enough people to play my copy. (I heard the 2-player Eastern Front scenario leaves something to be desired). Finally, you REALLY need to play 'Empire of the Sun'... Call it research for your thesis.
@@bgm-1961 Yeah. I'd like to play Empire at some point. I've heard nothing but good things about it. Ironically, one of the things that has kept me away was the length. Favorite under three hour game? Prolly Captain Sonar. I guess Fury of Dracula, Battlestar Galactica, and Star Wars Rebellion are right about at the three hour mark.
Couldn't agree more would say it's my favourite WW2 game set in WW2, but the interwar period is so good something that isn't portrayed so wouldn't be favourite overall WW2. Definitely wipes axis and allies though I think it more balanced, more complex and love the art. Axis and allies is wiped off the map, I only got into axis and allies like 2 years ago and wished I had held off Pacific and Europe 40 for this instead.
th-cam.com/video/q2Tp3ndePZk/w-d-xo.html If you loved War Room this much, then check out this link for a teaser trailer for Larry Harris's new game, Imperial Borders. Something tells me you will like that one as well.
@@chadvader974 It is certainly my favorite game that I have played. Again, that's just going by how much fun I had. I really love this game - looking forward to playing it again.
Is this playable with 2 people? Me and my wife love board games but I can't find enough people to play the board games with and it ends up being me and her. I play axis and allies 1940 as that was the best wwii game I could find. After this review I'm guaranteeing a buy for this game.
I really like the mat, even though it does wrinkle a bit. I like the size of it. I also like using the staves. You don't always need to use them, but its fun. I like the dice bowls, its a pretty stupid thing but it actually works really well - and you will need extra dice if you're playing the global game with six players. You need to have two battles going on at the same time or the game can slow down. The coasters - take them or leave them. If I lost my game in a fire tomorrow - I would save up and buy the core game with the jumbo pack. Just my two cents.
Wow Cody. I can't believe I missed this review. I am blown away by this game. I am just not sure if my friends would be. How does it play at lower play counts, say 3-4 players? Also, what's the best way to get a copy of this game if one were intrested?
I've played one of the scenarios with three and it went very well. I believe if you check out Nightingale Game's website they still have some copies left.
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer Not for a single game. It's a 6'x3" GameTopper and the perfect size for my gaming room. Cost quite a bit also. I think the one oversight they had when designing War Room was table space. Axis and Allies Anniversary fits perfectly though so I'll have to stick with that i guess.
Is this playable with 2 people? Me and my wife love board games but I can't find enough people to play the board games with and it ends up being me and her?
Favourite game of all time?! High praise! COuld you do a best 'shorter wargames of all time'? Maybe for games that are under two hours? Love wargames but the length is just too much. ty
Looks like an incredible game by looking at this review and BGG ones indeed! I presume below 6 players it looses dynamism right? The price tag is an issue indeed, unless they bring it down to 100-120 they will miss on potential customers. AGOT or TI4 are likely better options just because of the price to fun ratio. If they halve the price it would definitely hit my collection.
@@Sadar21Osasuna I have no plans to make a video, and with my schedule right now I don't really have the time before the KS is over. I will say that the new combat system is option - with the intention of reducing play time. Beyond that I really don't know too much about the changes. I will say that I still freaking love this game, however, and I'm excited that more people are going to have a chance to play it.
Fantastic review, and I agree with you. This game is so much fun, I'll probably never play Axis and Allies again. I didn't back the kickstarter because of the price, but I got to playtest it in 2018 and I immediately ordered the game and jumbo pack afterwards. Also, thanks for the laugh from th-cam.com/video/Dva1XGGEL8E/w-d-xo.html :D
I surrendered as soon as I heard that...music? It was hellish! War is hell but that was an affront to the Geneva convention! KRIPES! ") $600 Cdn used? Where's the white flag??? Jack ~'()'~
A&A on steroids. This looks like a great convention game. Does it play Solitaire? Just joking. Would love to play it but Not enough space, Not enough time, Not enough players available and not enough Capital.
In my book Axis & Allies 2.0 Still American Cold war view of the war but fun to play, kind off important that "fun" part. Other games are better in my book, many and by far. But fun it is and who does not want to have fun while playing?
Thanks for the review. Nightingale doesn’t have many of the parts right now (staffs). I think that it may be possible to apply the rule set of War room to an axis /allies map with a few modifications. I don’t like the very abstract appearance of war room. The miniatures of axis /allies makes the game more tangible for me. I recommend that nightingale produce some miniatures to go with the game. Those stacks of abstract chips are unattractive
Couldn't disagree more. I very much prefer the command stack system to minis. When I was a kid I really liked the little tanks and planes, etc... Now, I prefer substance over style, and the system just works so well here. I think anyone attempting to modify AA with War Room rules would really have their work cut out for them, and honestly I think you'd have to cut corners and compromise so much that it would neuter a lot of what makes War Room cool. Not to mention the strategic puzzle of this particular map. I think the whole package with War Room just looks amazing as well.
TY for the great review! But this game is not for me: I don't like the plastic units at all / The sessions are much too long / I don't have enough players for it!
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer No it's still very much turn based, however allt he diplomacy, resources, large scale, tactical planning... And the sheer number of possible add-ons allow for adding things like more minor powers, more and varied resources, playing out different scenarios both real (such as the spanish civil war) and imagined (Cold war goes hot) um actually here let me just find a copy of the rules, They can explain it better than I can... www.historicalboardgaming.com/assets/images/HBG%20Games/Global%20Games/1936/Rules/GW1936%20Manual%20Combined.pdf
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer I'm honestly surprised you haven't played them with your very obvious love all of things WWII and Axis and Allies, it was based on axis and allies, even uses a lot of the pieces. If you look around on that site you can find all the add ons and pieces and such. I Highly recommend it for you, seems like you would dig on the sheer depth of it.
If you are still interested, the new kickstarter is out with the core game selling for $137 which I think is around 97 pounds sterling. www.kickstarter.com/projects/nightingale-games/war-room-a-larry-harris-game-2nd-edition
"Gentlemen please! This is the war room; there's no fighting here!" 😁
Mark Stach Ah yes, the mandatory phrase.
Cody I just backed War Room based on your recommendation. I also bought Cthulhu Wars when that review came out. Please next time you absolutely fall in love with a game make it a cheap one.
Ha! I'll try!
lol, that was huge :D
It looks like the next step in Axis & Allies evolution to World In Flames. Love the look of the board, really stands out.
@@rocingersol1875 It’s a great game.
Was very curious about this title and really enjoyed your thorough enthusiastic review of the game, thanks!
Thanks! Fantastic game!
I always equate value to the cost of a movie ticket. Its about $12 for 2hrs of entertainment at the theater for a single person(barring cheap day, etc.)...so $6 an hour. At $350 if you play the game for 8 hours, you will need to play it between 7-8 times to get "your moneys worth". But that is for a single person, there are more likely than not 3-4 people playing this game and you would be committed to playing it even less if you opt for the standard edition. My girlfriend and I long ago realized the value in board games(even expensive ones) can be vastly less expensive than a trip to the movies.
Very true. That's the way I look at it as well. How much $$$ compared to hours of enjoyment I get out of it.
You forgot to mention persistent battles from turn to turn. I accidentally recreated guadalcanal as the US and Japan were rushing to send units to the area...all because of the pinning mechanic. I've stopped playing all other axis and allies iterations years ago because I felt there were unsolved problems with the game engine. Warroom fixes everything. Brilliant!
Indeed. Great game!
What problems are there? I am new to axis and allies
Unfortunately not very solo friendly, which Axis & Allies is.
Too bad its 200 freaking dollars on E bay. 😔
What a beautiful board! I can tell they must’ve spent a lot of time and effort creating it, kudos to the designers.
Perhaps a round table, with an outer part that spins round, might prove to be helpful? Like the one in Indiana Jones the Temple of Doom, at the beginning. (I’ve always wanted one of them.)
Also, the only thing I could say that the designers didn’t build into this game, from seeing this video, are the weather conditions.
When moving across open land and sea, perhaps you could roll a weather dice. 1,2 fair conditions halves the movement time. 3,4 adverse conditions takes the normal time no change. 5,6 horrible conditions. Double the movement time.
In some areas of the board, like Siberia for example, or in the desert. E.g. 1 = fair. 2 = adverse. 3,4,5,6 = horrible. With numbers varied for each unique territory.
That would mean for example, Japan will be less likely to invade the USSR. Storms at sea will be a factor, (some Sea zones more prone than others). And the Rasputin wet mud in Belarus and Eastern Europe realised as well.
If there’s a passage of time calendar, with seasons that affect logistics. Making planning logistics more realistic.
I hope there’s wonder weapons, technologies and nukes as well?
Good ideas.
After seeing your review, both my best friend & myself; bought it. You were right about Rampage, tough book to read; currently taking a prolonged break from it on audio book to recoup a little sanity. Your book list at the end of this video, it may take some time to get to all of them, but I'm all over them. Thanks Cody for all your game reviews and your point of view on history. Great music on your vids, and call me dorky, but I love the humor! If Larry inspires you to learn more about history, especially WWII, he does me as well. You and your channel are another source of inspiration to learn more too! I don't just say this lightly, it's sincere and heart felt. TH-cam allows people with a common interest to share those interests, and people like you and Larry inspire the desire to learn. Thanks again Cody! 🍻 History is something that should not be forgotten. The people who made that history should not be forgotten.
Indeed. Thank you, sir. I'm happy to share my love of history and games, and glad that it is appreciated.
Dude, I chuckled something fierce at the "I don't have a family" interjection music.
I'm glad my pain has provided fodder for your amusement. ;)
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer Haha! :D
Great review, agree 100%. Absolutely fantastic game in every facet! The design of this was very innovative, with the oil bid, simultaneous movement, stress system, and homeland status tracker. They did a great job simplifying the rules from A&A. Always enjoy your content.
Thank you, sir.
Great review of an interesting game. I like to see these reviews knowing that I can never afford them and not enough time !
Kili121416 I hope you get to play it someday.
I just received my second edition copy in the mail. I have been playing wargames since 1975 and I can tell you that I was absolutely blown away by the production value in this game. From the box it comes in down to all the components I cannot imagine anything that could have been done any better. If you are hesitating because of price just forget about it, this game is well worth the money. Absolutely 10 out of 10! Well done Nightengale games and Larry Harris.
Agreed. Great game!
Such a good game, every single problem axis and allies had this game solved. No more down time, no more man spam, Italy/North Africa actually important. Hats of to Larry Harris. Really hit it out of the park with this one.
Indeed.
Hey Macker or Cody .. can you explain why you think the problems are solved? I dont see it? There is only 1 territory between Germany and Moscow on the map. Looks like massive meat grinder in there of dice chucking. Where is the strategy? Also, taking capital cities just seems to make the game drag on and on.. ive seen numerous session reports of the US building multiple fleets and chucking them at japan over and over. Seems exactly like AA. Any insight? Cheers.
Tarkonis One thing me and my group noticed is that unit lethality is way up. You can no longer hid behind a wall of men. Everything if fair game. So while yes occasionally you will have a contested territory like 1914 it really doesn’t happen all that much. And there really is a lot of strategy put into actual combat. The stances matter a lot. I understand the fears of a long meat grinder kind of a game but the moral board and combat system ensure that the writing is on the wall around turn 6 or 7. And those turns fly. With simultaneous movement there is no down time like he said. There is no waiting five or six rounds as America before you can start playing. No everybody is involved the entire time. Even little Italy has a much greater role than in AnA. Believe me I had your reservations but after one game I was blown away. It just works. Hit me up if you have any questions. I’ll be happy to answer them.
@@mackermicker2064 hey thanks for the reply. I think my original question still stands though. There seems to be no manoeuvre available in an area the size of Russia. There is a buffer of one area between eastern Poland and Moscow. What happens to the stacks of troops in that one territory? They just keep fighting and being reinforced until one side wins? The other reservation I had is that the game seems to reward mono stacking rather than combined arms. For example.. after some number crunching on the geek it seems the most powerful stack is just artillery
@@chadvader974 Ditto everything that Macker said. I would also say that Germany is not just attacking toward Moscow, they need to take other objectives like the Caucuses for oil production. There is a lot of decisions for how much Germany is going to set aside to defend North Africa/support Italy, and vice versa. As for Japan - there are a ton of options. Do you adopt an aggressive attitude toward India or Australia? Do you go all in in China? Do you say "screw the pact" and adopt a Russia strategy? One thing I love about this game is the depth of choices it presents the player. With the exception of Russia, which is largely playing defense against Germany, the USA and Britain both have tough strategic choices throughout the game as well. Very fun.
My group of four play once a week. We go back and forth between G40 and War Room. In seven years we probably amassed a total of 30-35 games of Global, and we’re starting game 6 of War Room. It’s hard to pin any of us down on which we enjoy more, which is probably why we continue playing both.
One thing I will say about length of gameplay, War Room is a faster game, both in feel and in actuality. As you mentioned, each player in continuously involved, with very little downtime. Global, on the other hand, can really feel like a waiting game, especially if you are only playing one power such as Japan. The other factors that lend to War Rooms speed of play are the effects from stress (which again you mentioned) and the bombing of factories and rails which cannot be repaired. In all previous iterations of A&A, bombing seemed iffy with regards to risk/reward. Not only could your bombers be shot down prior to releasing their payloads, but also all damage incurred could be repaired on that players very next turn with a simple payment method. War Room, in my opinion, more closely depicts the severity of bombing raids on a territory. Even units in production are at risk of being destroyed, which again adds to the realism, and makes bombing raids a very serious threat.
Love this game, and your introductory video did it justice. Well done.
Thank you, sir. I love this game!
21:14 When you are about to conquer so much Lebensraum in one battle you cant believe it
Ha!
Wow! That was one helluva a review that gave me pause. I may need to check this one out. I have played TI4 about eight times now and while I enjoy it I don't have a burning passion to play it.I love games that draw you in and take hours and hours though. This review from you now has me wanting to find someone in my area who is hosting the game. Thanks! Will be checking out your history page tonight.
Thanks. Happy to help.
War Room is simple but has so many complexities because of the number of variables.
@@larryirons8746 Indeed.
Very interesting perspective on the game. I bought the game and have played it 3 times. I agree it’s a major improvement/evolution over A&A but it doesn’t come anywhere near being the best WWII wargame or even best wargame period. After one play, I had concerns about the combat system, which were verified in my 2nd and 3rd playthroughs. I hate how every battle turns into a bloody slugfest where whole armies are wiped out and the winner comes down to whichever side has more tanks since they’re harder to hit and therefore harder to kill. This aspect of the combat system really knocks this game down a few pegs for me. It scratches the itch of wanting to play a game with an A&A level of sophistication, but I would still place Triumph and Tragedy, or even Cataclysm above this game in the Strategic WWII category. Both of those games give the player more freedom on how to pursue victory and tailor your country’s military. Much like the original A&A, another problem I have with this game is it starting in roughly 1942. The game strategies are pretty much already laid out for each player. Russia defends, Germany has to decide how to pressure Russia while also supporting North Africa, and Japan has to decide whether to commit against China, go against India/Australia, or push against the US. As far as being a realistic WWII wargame, because of the issue with the combat system that I mentioned earlier, I’d take any WWII wargame that uses a traditional CRT (I.e. Unconditional Surrender, or Axis Empires) over War Room’s combat system.
Thanks for your perspective. I can agree that it would be nice to have more starting options and scenarios, say 1939? With regard to combat, I really enjoy it. Combat was a slugfest, and I think it does it very well. Perfect, no. I don't know that this is the best wargame or WWII game out there - but it is my favorite. When I say "favorite," it's a personal thing as opposed to objectively the best. I just enjoyed this game more than other games like T&T, to the point where if I'm going to play a big WWII game, I'd rather do this one. I don't know, I just fell in love with this game.
It doesn't have to be a bloodbath. Consider your stack composition. Carefully. Best stack 1inf, 1a, 6 t. But any variety of 6.1.1 works well. That 6 category will survive in defensive stance. Pining and the over run or push mechanic is my favorite element. That and simultaneous movement....and secret orders...railroads...resources production....I love it all.
As someone completely new to war gaming, could you recommend a similar experience? I just love how grand this looks. All other games I've seen are specific to a theatre or battle of ww2. Do you think the combat is a deal breaker, or could you house rule it some way
War Room is a strategic game, not a tactical game. Combat is abstracted.
Almost backed this on KS, but just didn't think my regular gaming group would get into it. In the early 1980s, I designed a Cold War game with the same map board concept in mind but never got beyond rudimentary playtesting. Would love to see the War Room make a Cold War version.
I could definitely see other iterations of the system, and hopefully we will.
This game looks simply... MAGNIFICENT!!!! Great review! Greetings from London 🇬🇧 UK
In terms of man-made Magnificence, I put it right up there with the Beethoven's Ninth. Back at you from Texas USA.
Reading “Eisenhower’s Lieutenants” by Russell Weigley. Another good one on the campaign in France and Germany
Indeed. Weigley's book was invaluable to me in writing my dissertation.
Wow... intense game. Looks awesome. I enjoy Risk. This is Risk on steroids.
This is so much better than Risk, by a long shot.
Thank you for this relatively simplified review/explanation big this true gem of a game!
Thank you. Glad you liked it.
Cancelled my pledge during the Kickstarter because I didn’t think it would fit on my table. I’m buying a bigger table.
Ha!
Think twice if you will order the Jumbo Pack Expansion, unless $ no issue. The OOB map is pretty nice and I prefer it to the neoprene map which is awkward and often wrinkled. It is not much bigger anyway. The OOB is clearer too. I would use the $ to buy more pieces and dice, a la carte.
I wanted to back this one, but I was too resistant to buying it blind. I wanted to wait for it to exist and for people to actually start playing it, so I could do more research on it... or even play it myself, if I could be so lucky. Cody's review has really made me regret not blindly grabbing this now. lol
Sounds incredible. Just ordered a copy from Nightengale Games. Hope to have a group to play it with some day!
This is the kind of game that forces you to go out and make new friends if you have to.
Very cool. Glad to know this is out there. A souped up Axis and Allies is a great idea. Ill probably never have time or money, but maybe some day the board game gods will smile on me.
Hopefully you'll get a chance to play it someday.
I KNEW you’d love it. Was my game of 2019 as well. One other criticism I have is the set up time. Can be extensive but otherwise it’s a masterpiece.
I don't think setup is any worse that traditional Axis and Allies or TI4. I made my peace with that a long time ago. If I'm gonna spend 6-8 hours on a game, I would expect about 30-45 minutes for setup. I do love this game!
I love the Rapid set up
Hey Cody. I first discovered your channel from your Amazon review of Axis & Allies: Anniversary Edition! Ha. You are my favorite board game reviewer. Like you, I grew up on A&A (I became a high school history teacher). I was just shocked to hear you say that War Room replaced A&A for you, but also pleased. I was so hoping that Larry's new creation would land with success. I am now dying to play this game. I hope I don't regret spending that kinda cash, but I have a feeling I won't. Looks like TI4 level fun. Cheers and thanks for the channel.
Thank you, sir. I think you will get a kick out of it.
I remember the kickstarter for this, it looks really amazing. I kind of hope this inspires some video games, especially in Virtual Reality, that capture a similar sense of immersion and scale. And with those war sticks of course.
Indeed.
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer I was watching when I wrote this. Wow, this is better than TI4? Damn I may actually look into getting this as soon as I have someone to play a game like this with. And actually Jerri Ellsworth is making an augmented reality tabletop device called TiltFive and she's talking to tabletopia and board game publishers. I'll try to pass this game on to her and see if she would want to contact the War Room team about porting this.
DEFCON VR
This is a BIG game!!! I love that it literally looks like the players are in a real War Room, complete with unit tokens and the little staves that you can use to move units across the board!!! What a comprehensive overview, seems like the mechanics are simple; but there's a lot to do per turn/round! And 3-9 hours?!! Wow!!! We've never played for that long before, but it seems like the wealth of actions, options, and moves justifies the playing time. Haven't seen this game in my country, I'll have to look into how to find and acquire it, if ever...also may need to save up for it!!! Good luck on your PhD!!!
Thank you, sir. I successfully defended my dissertation in May. I hope that you get a chance to play this one. It is fantastic!
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer Congratulations, Dr. Cody!!! So happy to hear that!
@@nemisysone Thank you, sir!
Hey Cody. I just wanted to let you know that I showed this video to my gaming group and we will be buying it soon! One of my friends is wheeling and dealing Magic cards to cover the cost! Thanks for the awesome review!
Happy to help. Thank you. I think you'll really get a kick out of it.
looks impressive Though it feels chunky and a little saw on eyes ( feel some contrast with less detail or softer colour contrast would help on map and combat board). Some game mechanics intrigue me. And I love the map view it is more friendly for multi player. Sadly time is a factor, gone are the days of Axis and Allies, and attempts to get enough players for Diplomacy.
Ha! I hope you get a chance to play it some time. I think you'd get a kick out of it.
Damn you Cody. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. I was on the fence with this but only due to cost. I too owe my WW2 infatuation to L Harris for my teen years spent playing original axis n allies. For you to say this has trumped it and is your no1 game of choice is a BIG call. I hope it doesn’t sellout before I can scrape the cash for my copy. Great review. Great channel. Thank you.
Woody1 Kenobi76 Consider myself damned! Happy to help. Hope you get a copy soon.
Another suggestion of yours I have bought..! Kickstarted the second edition, I can't wait to get my hands on this game
I think you’ll really enjoy it.
Played this game 7 times with between 4 and 7 players.
It's ace, buy it if you can.
Larry Harris is also working on a new game called Imperial Borders which promises to be equally good.
Yeah, really looking forward to IB. I was just communicating with their team recently, and hopefully the campaign is just around the corner.
Can't wait.
Love the channel.
Keep em coming.
Nice review. You've convinced me to back the new kickstarter. I don't know how I missed this the first time around.
I think you'll really get a kick out of it. Great game!
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer where do I order just the dry erase boards?
@@Liam_Daly Have you tried their website?
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer yeah.... Lots of everything is sold out.... Even the game. Any idea when it's gonna be back?
@@Liam_Daly Nope. Sorry.
Hey Cody! First of all... LOVE the shirt! Having been to the WWII Museum in NOLA, many times... I find it AMAZING! Have you gone to the Civil War Museum, almost across the street? That equally amazing! OK... War Room: Saw the KS... like the concept of A&A... SO... NOT a big enough table presence, but more importantly I'm a solo player, and don't even KNOW five or six people, I could play this game with. You, I'm assuming, have a pretty constant play group so many of these games are no problem for you... be grateful for that! My other concern is that while fighting WWII all over again is and would be fun, I'm a tactical player versus a strategic player. I like my soldiers running around, where I can count them... LOL! I can see where this would be a very fun game, IF you had the people and time to play it. I guess, in terms of getting any game to my table (small as it might be-- a 1950's kitchen table)... I'm finding DVG's Warfighter, "Rifles in the Ardennes/Pacific" and "Combat Infantry: West/East" to be a little more manageable. It would be great to play a game with you some day...
With regard to time and the strategic/tactical preference, I can't do anything. But I always scratch my head when people say they can't find people to play with. In the age of the internet it's the easiest thing in the world to find people with similar tastes in games. I moved down to Texas two and half years ago and knew no one in the area. Now, I have a ton of people I play regularly with. If you want to find fellow gamers, it just takes a little effort to find them - but they are out there.
Great review! Gonna have my first physical war room game going next weekend. Can't wait.
I'm assuming you have imperial borders on your radar?
Looking forward to IB, for sure. Thanks!
Speaking of good books on WWII, I recommend, "Stopping the Panzers: The Untold Story of D-Day" by Marc Milner.
I'm tempted to try War Room, but 9 hours!!!
Warm regards, Rick.
Rick Smith I played the Pacific scenario in five hours.
I backed the 2nd edition of War Room and I can not wait to play!
You're going to have a lot of fun!
I've been on the fence about this one for a while now. Thanks for the push
You're welcome. Happy to help.
This game really needs your kind of review to get as well known as it deserves. Not easy to find in UK! Thank you
Thank you, sir.
If you are still searching. the 2nd kickstarter is now available to purchase. www.kickstarter.com/projects/nightingale-games/war-room-a-larry-harris-game-2nd-edition
Nice review as always. I am a little worried as I have put two years into customizing, painting and magnetizing hundreds of pieces for my Global 1940 game. My bro and I attend the annual Global 1940 Bloodbath (Sireblood's G40 Bloodbath Rules) event and have probably played Global 1940/BBR over 300 times in the past two years. I am concerned because after all that work I am not so inclined to play Axis & Allies any longer.
It feels a little flat now and I do not really miss the minis. Axis & Allies will need an evolution via house rules to regain its appeal. Throwing 50 dice at a time used to be fun. Now it seems pointless and anti-climatic. What is fun now is bidding 6 oil to move first and then finding out the enemy has moved into the same space with a bigger force and bid no oil! Then having to decide, does one drag the battle(s) out as long as possible by going on the defensive or go big and try to destroy as much as possible with a likely total loss. The inevitable mis-written commands/orders are also fun but equally frustrating...fog of war.
The cost may seem high but I see value in the price given the quality of the game, the variety of components, the box, etc. I suppose if one could get a map printed one could use discs and other components to build a "poor man's" version. Might try a video on this later. Most GMT games (which are pretty high quality and usually just cardboard) are $80 to $90 so ~$250 does not seem that bad. Once can easily drop $250 or more on Global 1940 with some customization or additional purchases.
The game time could be an issue for some, agree. We had our 1st 4 player game with 2 new players. 1 hour for set-up and rules. Game time was about 8 hours with additional rule look-ups/etc. With 2 experienced players we get through a game in about four to five hours with a capitulation (usually Axis) typical after turn 4-6. It is an exhausting game, however....mentally.
Setup time is no more than Global 1940. 2 experienced players (my bro and I have about 20 games under our belt) can setup G40 in 30 minutes. About the same for War Room. The printed set-up on the War Room commands really helps.
Anyhoo....I am with you...if you can afford it, buy it or sell some underplayed games to afford it. It isn't Axis & Allies and one should not go into it thinking that. Erase any preconceptions and try it.
My next purchase is the v3 map of Historical Board Gaming 1936-1945. Players say it is the evolution of Axis & Allies Global 1940. I hope it is good as I need something else to play other than War Room! I am also looking forward to Larry's next game on which he is working.
Finally, buy a lazy Susan and something on which to place the board (foam board, plywood, etc.). Being able to spin the board around makes moving, battles and strategy discussions so much better. I want a round map and spin-ability with every game now!
My 2 cents...Steve
Moffett Field Thanks. Enjoy your content.
Moff, you mentioned a poor man's version. I actually brought this up to the powers that be. Actually, all you need for the game--basics mind you---are what I call the flats. Absolutely the map and battle board and stress tracker. The rest could be managed by keeping track on a pad of paper. The cards would be next in order of importance. Then the command tokens. Followed by the dice. You could piecemeal the game from spare parts. For instance I bought the deluxe and have an extra map and battle board and dice set. I want to pass those onto my son and give it a shot.
@@randyvandyke1 Will there be a digital version of the map available? All other items can be recreated or purchased a la carte. Don't want to dip into Nightingale profits or any copyright issues. Not sure if the map/boards are copyrighted anyway.
I would actually like to get a digital map as I want to create a board with some tables and rules printed on a border. Not a fan of the neoprene map....might give away or sell.
So what WAS your favorite boardgame, prior to War Room! Or is that game still your favorite game that can be played in under three hours?
I think we need two categories for "Favorite Boardgame"...
1) Playtime is three hours or more
2) Playtime is under three hours.
Anyway, so this is better than 'Empire of the Sun', or 'Unconditional Surrender', huh?
Did you watch the entire video? I haven't played Empire of the Sun.
All the way up to your book recommendations... Ah, I see where you're going with that counter question! TI4 would be your answer, of course.
Guess I never considered that to be your answer given the number of games under three hours that you've gushed about in the past... So I just assumed your previous favorite would be in the "under three hours" category.
Also, I just read one of your other responses above, where you distinguished between claiming a game is the best vs being your favorite. Anyway, I'm glad to hear the WR is your favorite. I'm still trying to gather enough people to play my copy. (I heard the 2-player Eastern Front scenario leaves something to be desired).
Finally, you REALLY need to play 'Empire of the Sun'... Call it research for your thesis.
@@bgm-1961 Yeah. I'd like to play Empire at some point. I've heard nothing but good things about it. Ironically, one of the things that has kept me away was the length. Favorite under three hour game? Prolly Captain Sonar. I guess Fury of Dracula, Battlestar Galactica, and Star Wars Rebellion are right about at the three hour mark.
Couldn't agree more would say it's my favourite WW2 game set in WW2, but the interwar period is so good something that isn't portrayed so wouldn't be favourite overall WW2.
Definitely wipes axis and allies though I think it more balanced, more complex and love the art. Axis and allies is wiped off the map, I only got into axis and allies like 2 years ago and wished I had held off Pacific and Europe 40 for this instead.
Indeed. Great game.
The order issuing system sounds a lot like diolomacy
I mention that in the review.
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer I'm not a smart woman
@@McCbobbish Ha!
Why is the game so expensive?? I thought it was brand-new, yet E-bay copies are going as high as 600!
There are not a lot of them out there.
Fine…you convinced me - backing 2nd edition, hope your happy 😏😎
Happy to help!
The music is destroying my existence
Then what an incredible tepid existence you must have.
Those are nice plotting poles! Where can I get some of those? Need them for Axis and Allies Global
They come with the game.
th-cam.com/video/q2Tp3ndePZk/w-d-xo.html
If you loved War Room this much, then check out this link for a teaser trailer for Larry Harris's new game, Imperial Borders.
Something tells me you will like that one as well.
The BIG 'E's WAR GAMES I saw it. Looking forward to it.
CODY.. You just blew my mind with this review!!!!
That was the intention. Glad you enjoyed it.
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer I enjoyed it but best game off all time! Waoowwww
@@chadvader974 It is certainly my favorite game that I have played. Again, that's just going by how much fun I had. I really love this game - looking forward to playing it again.
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer my wallet hates You! 😂
@@chadvader974 Haters gonna hate!
OK, I don't have anybody to play with, but I bought it because I love and trust you. :)
Ha! Time to make some new friends!
Glad I went all in at the KS!
Glad you did too.
is coming the second edition... quite interested if they were able to streamline some part of the game and make the play time a bit shorter
Yes. They have an option for streamlined combat.
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer yep i just see on KS very interesting...
Is this playable with 2 people? Me and my wife love board games but I can't find enough people to play the board games with and it ends up being me and her. I play axis and allies 1940 as that was the best wwii game I could find. After this review I'm guaranteeing a buy for this game.
You can play it with two, but it is better with more.
wow, quite the endorsement. Thanks for the review.
Chris Tham Thank you.
What are your thoughts on the Jumbo Pack? Neoprene vs board map? It’s a pricey add-on
I really like the mat, even though it does wrinkle a bit. I like the size of it. I also like using the staves. You don't always need to use them, but its fun. I like the dice bowls, its a pretty stupid thing but it actually works really well - and you will need extra dice if you're playing the global game with six players. You need to have two battles going on at the same time or the game can slow down. The coasters - take them or leave them. If I lost my game in a fire tomorrow - I would save up and buy the core game with the jumbo pack. Just my two cents.
The price has forever kept this game from my play circle (a wide circle).
That's too bad. I hope you get to play it at some point.
Wow Cody. I can't believe I missed this review. I am blown away by this game. I am just not sure if my friends would be. How does it play at lower play counts, say 3-4 players?
Also, what's the best way to get a copy of this game if one were intrested?
I've played one of the scenarios with three and it went very well. I believe if you check out Nightingale Game's website they still have some copies left.
I want this.
I hope you get it.
Its like axis and allies advanced edition as it has everything that is missing from that game and more
It is far superior to any AA iteration.
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer I see that from just the looks
Would totally get this but the board won't fit on my gaming table.
Time for a new gaming table.
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer Not for a single game. It's a 6'x3" GameTopper and the perfect size for my gaming room. Cost quite a bit also. I think the one oversight they had when designing War Room was table space. Axis and Allies Anniversary fits perfectly though so I'll have to stick with that i guess.
Would you say at all player counts the game is fun ? With the smaller maps ?
I've played the six player full game, and the three player Pacific game. I had great fun with them both.
Just got 2nd edition two days ago and already played a 2 player game. This game is absolutely fantastic! Playing the global scenario in a few weeks.
Great game!
Is this playable with 2 people? Me and my wife love board games but I can't find enough people to play the board games with and it ends up being me and her?
@@ethanbrown7198 There is a German Vs. Russian 2 player scenario.
@@ethanbrown7198 Yes. You can, but it shines with more players.
Why did you not mention the board game world war 2 world in flames deluxe to me that’s the mother of all games by agd
Because I have not played it. We each have our own mother of all games, I suppose.
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer I also love axis and Allie’s play it to this very day but cool video I like war room as well
Favourite game of all time?! High praise!
COuld you do a best 'shorter wargames of all time'? Maybe for games that are under two hours? Love wargames but the length is just too much.
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That's a great idea. Perhaps I could do that one down the line. Thanks!
Sounds like it would make a great "convention game", depending on how long it takes new players to be taught the rules.
GenghisVern It is very easy to learn and play.
How long "global war" scenario will be played generally?
(2nd Ed. is on Kickstarter🤔)
Most games I've played of the global war scenario have been about 8 hours or so until it is obvious one side is going to win.
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer Thanx for quick answer. Difficult decision...I love Twilight Imperium, Tide of Iron... Good old FFG Stuff....
@@Dogma-mr7bq I do too. There was nothing like FFG in its heyday!
Wow. You sold me.
Happy to help!
Hey cody I was wondering
Can you research in this game like in axis and allies
No. It does not.
Great freakin' review!
Thanks!
Looks like an incredible game by looking at this review and BGG ones indeed! I presume below 6 players it looses dynamism right?
The price tag is an issue indeed, unless they bring it down to 100-120 they will miss on potential customers. AGOT or TI4 are likely better options just because of the price to fun ratio. If they halve the price it would definitely hit my collection.
Yeah, cost is an issue for sure. It's too bad because it's such a good game. Six is ideal, but I played a three-player scenario and really enjoyed it.
@@Sadar21Osasuna I have no plans to make a video, and with my schedule right now I don't really have the time before the KS is over. I will say that the new combat system is option - with the intention of reducing play time. Beyond that I really don't know too much about the changes. I will say that I still freaking love this game, however, and I'm excited that more people are going to have a chance to play it.
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer you could do a quick one year later video 🤨, those are pretty popular right now.
@@cfosburg but time is my enemy.
Fantastic review, and I agree with you. This game is so much fun, I'll probably never play Axis and Allies again.
I didn't back the kickstarter because of the price, but I got to playtest it in 2018 and I immediately ordered the game and jumbo pack afterwards.
Also, thanks for the laugh from th-cam.com/video/Dva1XGGEL8E/w-d-xo.html :D
Glad you enjoyed it. And glad you take such delight in my pain...
Ha!
You love this game. You've got to try checkers!
Ha!
I surrendered as soon as I heard that...music? It was hellish! War is hell but that was an affront to the Geneva convention! KRIPES! ")
$600 Cdn used? Where's the white flag???
Jack ~'()'~
Bah!
Tabletop Simulator version would be nice
Perhaps it will be on that platform, someday.
Hey TDG, did you ever play World in Flames?
No. I've still got a set, but haven't gotten it to the table yet.
Just discovered this game just now, where can I buy it?
Not sure if it’s in print right now. Check the manufacturers website.
A&A on steroids. This looks like a great convention game. Does it play Solitaire? Just joking. Would love to play it but Not enough space, Not enough time, Not enough players available and not enough Capital.
Too bad. I hope you get a chance to play sometime.
Does anyone know the song at the beginning of the video?
Did you watch the entire video?
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer Yes.
So basically hoi4 the board game
Quit a bit different actually. I do love HOI4.
Not the 2nd edition which just came out.
What about it?
I can't find the song from the intro here: 0:25
Shawn has not released this one yet. Hopefully he will at some point.
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer oof
What is the song at the beginning?
Warroom - see end credits.
Cody, any possible way someone could solo this, playing all sides?
Roger Bartels I really don’t see how, considering orders are secret information. If you knew the orders and the timing, it would be too easy to game.
part of their new kickstarter mentioned trying to make solo rules and possibly another scenario.
looks like a flat earth map
I make no claims about the game's views on science.
Well, it's the true shape of the earth after all 😉 you just wait. The spell will be broken soon.
In my book Axis & Allies 2.0
Still American Cold war view of the war but fun to play, kind off important that "fun" part.
Other games are better in my book, many and by far. But fun it is and who does not want to have fun while playing?
Indeed.
Wow so cool
Indeed. Great game!
WOW
Thanks for the review. Nightingale doesn’t have many of the parts right now (staffs). I think that it may be possible to apply the rule set of War room to an axis /allies map with a few modifications. I don’t like the very abstract appearance of war room. The miniatures of axis /allies makes the game more tangible for me. I recommend that nightingale produce some miniatures to go with the game. Those stacks of abstract chips are unattractive
Couldn't disagree more. I very much prefer the command stack system to minis. When I was a kid I really liked the little tanks and planes, etc... Now, I prefer substance over style, and the system just works so well here. I think anyone attempting to modify AA with War Room rules would really have their work cut out for them, and honestly I think you'd have to cut corners and compromise so much that it would neuter a lot of what makes War Room cool. Not to mention the strategic puzzle of this particular map. I think the whole package with War Room just looks amazing as well.
The Discriminating Gamer thanks. I am I going to get the rules and give the modification a try. I’ll post the results of the experiment soon!
@@Sierranite Best of luck to you.
I literally just saw this video for the first time...War Room is obviously sold out, my disappointment is immeasurable, and my day ruined.
Take heart. I'm sure they'll bring it back sometime.
TY for the great review!
But this game is not for me: I don't like the plastic units at all / The sessions are much too long / I don't have enough players for it!
To each their own. It is indeed a long game. However, I love the unit counters. Far superior in my opinion to, say, AA minis.
The map has no Argentina?
Where the nazis will flee to?
Ha!
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer. Ha!
Good video! Thanks.
I'm wanting to play this game now.
What about the issues with combat that have not been resolved?
What issues are you referring to?
The balance of mono-kind armies, which are much harder to hit.
@@Kolvorok I didn't have an issue with it.
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Don’t play this game with a cat in the house.
Ha! As I am allergic to cats, I don't think that will be an issue.
Honestly this just seems kind of like a watered down version of Global war 36 or 39...
Timothy Kohout Haven’t played them. Do they have written orders and simultaneous play?
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer No it's still very much turn based, however allt he diplomacy, resources, large scale, tactical planning... And the sheer number of possible add-ons allow for adding things like more minor powers, more and varied resources, playing out different scenarios both real (such as the spanish civil war) and imagined (Cold war goes hot) um actually here let me just find a copy of the rules, They can explain it better than I can... www.historicalboardgaming.com/assets/images/HBG%20Games/Global%20Games/1936/Rules/GW1936%20Manual%20Combined.pdf
@@TheDiscriminatingGamer I'm honestly surprised you haven't played them with your very obvious love all of things WWII and Axis and Allies, it was based on axis and allies, even uses a lot of the pieces. If you look around on that site you can find all the add ons and pieces and such. I Highly recommend it for you, seems like you would dig on the sheer depth of it.
Why is this game £200
Short answer is because it's awesome. Long answer is because this game is huge, with generally very high production values.
If you are still interested, the new kickstarter is out with the core game selling for $137 which I think is around 97 pounds sterling. www.kickstarter.com/projects/nightingale-games/war-room-a-larry-harris-game-2nd-edition