I think there is a reasonable explanation for this. I like to imagine that some dialogue takes place in their own separate timelines where certain events took place to allow these interactions. For example, if you make Early Z Goku fight Turles, then they have a unique interaction with Turles saying Kakarot is an insult and Goku ending the fight saying he won't forgive Turles. But then I had a fight where I had Super Saiyan God Goku fight Turles and Goku said they would have fun and Turles would agree saying how they were both Low-class warriors. So I like to think the random generic dialogue is each happening in separate timelines like the What if scenarios in the game.
@TheDeathmail ikr, this has nothing to do with SZ but just look at 17 . He catched up with SS Blue by fighting poachers and sparring with some punny Cell Jr's lmao. Power scaling in DB doesn't make sense anymore
Im pretty sure in the old games whenever broly is put against goku using a transformation he never fought against he'd say "K-Kakarot..?" in a confused tone. I wonder why they didnt do that here.
Cuz Ssj4 still makes it past that " cool looking " barrier. Most still don't understand its narrative in depth , but the design and abilities is already enough . They would have no problem with Gt if it was longer with more fanservice as well , i mean , majority literally considers black star db arc the bad one in it over Super 17 , wonder why...
@@humanman9920 honestly couldn't tell ya, I thought it was fine, a little less action. Sure but the slice of life was on point and overall seeing them all move into normal living was nice, tho the funny thing is. Gt according to timeline hasn't happened yet
The problem gt has was the immense slow burn left a lot of people lacking. and other thing like Super 17 not really adding to the plot. Really it only had like 2 good arcs
If there's one thing from GT I'd love to see canonized, it's SSJ4. Problem is that unless they introduce a new U7 Saiyan or let Goten, Trunks, Pan and Bulla grow tails, the form is effectively made redundant by the god forms, SSJ Rage, SSJ Berserk, Beast Gohan and the Ultra forms. And it can't be a U6 Saiyan because they evolved out of having tails.
Ssj4 is in my opinion, peak mortality. I say that because god ki isn't involved. This form is pure primal sayian power under complete control. That's why I personally like it better than the god forms...also it looks really cool.
ssj4 is the most creative form that thematically makes sense considering. while the "god" forms are just different palate swaps of hair. at lease super saiyan 3 had some small amount of bestial look to it.
@@stevemitchell4663SSJ4 also doesn't completely devalue 2 and 3, because you need a tail to unlock it. So if you don't have a tail, you're not shit outta luck, you can still push the SSJ form to higher levels of power without combining it with Oozaru. Meanwhile, SSJ God ensures that you can just bypass 2 and 3, making them pointless.
@@superpaytonmars8852 There's a bit more nuance to SSJG than that. Super Saiyan forms seem to work on multipliers, SSJG is likely no different to that apart from also granting the user god ki. SSJG doesn't seem to have a minimum power requirement, instead simply requiring a ritual involving five righteous Saiyans plus a recipient of their power or alternatively prolonged exposure to god ki. And being able to turn Super Saiyan doesn't necessarily seem to be a requirement for the ritual either. So it technically can also bypass regular Super Saiyan. Thing is, even if you bypass the mortal Super Saiyan forms and go straight to SSJG, training to reach those forms is still beneficial. There's more of a benefit with regular Super Saiyan since you can then use that to unlock Super Saiyan Blue, but you're still working with power multipliers. SSJG on Battle of Gods Goku is likely far more powerful than SSJG would be on, say, Saiyan Saga Raditz. Also, if you don't have access to enough righteous Saiyans to do the ritual and don't regularly hang out with divine beings, you also have to resort to having to push the mortal Super Saiyan forms to higher levels instead, regardless of whether you decide to go ape or not. Of course, both branches of Super Saiyan are far more accessible than SSJ Berserk/LSSJ, which requires a genetic predisposition to the form.
SS4 Goku facing basic early Vegeta: This is going to be tough SS4 Goku facing SS god Vegeta: You can never beat me So to SS4 Goku, the god forms are weaker than their starting forms???? This universal time thing really is messing with everyone.....
It's funny how Goku's voice changes for SSJ 3, 4 and IT meanwhile Vegeta has the same voice for all his forms 😂 I'm sure he'll have the same voice for UE too whenever it's animated
In the original English dub SSJ4 Vegeta had a deeper voice like SSJ4 Goku did but it seems like Chris Sabat forgot that and has just never done it since
the characters were cool, the story was just poorly written. Baby added unique backstory to the saiyans; Super 17 gave some context to what happened with the androids given their weird "well that happened" with Cell. The black star dragons or whatever they were called all had their own themes, etc, but for some reason Goku was based on his movie logic and consistently got beaten up in normal form before going super saiyan and wiping the floor with fodder characters. As an example, for a moment, a "super saiyan" power level fought a planet... and the planet was winning.
@@nathanielbass771" story was just poorly written " Sorry to break it to u baby arc is one of the best stories in dragon ball and its very well written. Super 17 was primarily there to work as a prelude to shadow dragons and that part it did well setting up the narrative of Goku being the centre of problems with a villain from the past series and a recent from this one coming together for a revenge plot , while showing dragon balls getting cracked throughout it finally triggered by the instability brought on earth by merging hell , even if it was bad as a standalone story . Its the shadow dragons not black star . No he wasn't , he was shown to beat up several characters in base and he used ssj forms when he got overwhelmed , Goku is the first character who likes to test his opponents before going to a greater power , and in instances where it was clear he had no chance in previous forms he went straight to his best like against Baby Vegeta. These characters u call " fodder " solo most of dbz .
@@humanman9920 You really need to rewatch it... goku nearly died to someone whom pan claimed she could beat (meaning his power level fell by a factor of like 100,000 times). Pan isn't even peak earthling level... she's not even RADITZ level. Baby somehow managed to get to earth and infect the entire population of earth but for some reason didn't just infect Goku and Pan while they were with him. Space worms were somehow more powerful than goku's base form; Omega Shenron somehow managed to instantly kill the 4-star dragon despite his power being GREATER than Omega Shenron's; The black star dragonballs... existing (ah yes, somehow, they blow up the planet they are used on and scatter across the entire universe...); Goku for some reason retained his power level despite the dragon "resetting" most of his characteristics to be like he was a kid; As I said, the characters were great... their backstories are great... but the overall story itself? not so much. Most of the opponents who were beating up Goku's base form shouldn't have even been able to tickle it... (the guy was bullet-proof with a power-level of 10... which is only twice the average human earthling's power level... )
Great Ape Vegeta: You really think you can topple someone ten times your strength and size? Super Saiyan 4 Goku: *Fingerflicks Vegeta to the ground* Yes.
I legit think SSJ 4 goku is God ki but in there universe there no God ki or a equivalent so in that case SSJ4 us strongest inuhis universe but maybe as strong as ssj blue
Well when GT Goku needs some ki boost it was slightly similar to god Sayian ritual😅 but without 5th Sayian. GT have really big time skip, when Super is just few months after Buu saga. GT Goku base would be stronger than Super Goku base. But Because of God boosts and many serious battles (no manga include) super Goku is still stronger with god forms.
@@ПавелДанилов-э8х@StevenJones851 I'm just gonna copy paste because I'm tired of writing this out. Saiyan Forms: Great Ape: x10 Super Saiyan: x50 Super Saiyan 2: x100 (2x Super Saiyan) Super Saiyan 3: x400 (4x Super Saiyan 2) Golden Great Ape: x500 Super Saiyan 4: x4000 (10x Super Saiyan 3) God Forms: Super Saiyan God: x500 Super Saiyan Blue: All stats x550 (10% increase over Super Saiyan God) Super Saiyan Blue (Evolved): x1100 (2x Super Saiyan Blue) (Maybe 600 instead???) This is what my math has come down too. It also means that 4 is alarmingly stronger than anything in Super.
Kinda sad they didn't include Evolution for Vegeta in this game. Or add Supereme Kai as a character. I know they said Evolution isn't canon. But would of been nice to see it tho. :) Also having Xeno characters in the game would be pretty fun. Or at least their outfits/costumes. :)
I like how completely overconfident goku 4 is in front of beerus and whis even though they both would completely wipe the floor with him. But tbf this goku never met them so he has an excuse and doesn't know any better, he can't feel their power either since he doesn't have god ki.
Sorta.... you need to remember that this Goku is way stronger than when he met Beerus in that timeline as well.... Like, we literally have no idea how strong he is in comparison to Beerus or Jiren..... But Whis claims Goku is stronger (obviously talking about in comparison to himself), so at least in this case, he's stronger than SSB Goku.... sorta, maybe It should be noted that SS4 Goku isn't scared of Golden Frieza (and he can feel his power) and that Frieza is the one from the tournament of power.... so not way too far behind Beerus.... Also, he had no fear of Broly, who he and Vegeta needed Super Saiyan Blue Gojeta to win against..... In the end, none of this is canon.... this is a game where Raditz can fight Beerus.....
@@TheDeathmail In dragon ball heroes, SSJ4 Goku and SSJB Goku are evenly matched. Despite SSJ4 Goku had a way longer time training than SSJB Goku, DBS Goku was trained by Whis. DBS Goku surpasses SSJ4 with Ultra Instinct. Though it would be interesting how powerful SSJ4 God would be(blue is just super saiyan + god). SSJ1 multiplies one's power level by 50. SSJ4 is SS3J(x400 times)+Great Ape(10 times) which equals 4000 times(hence 10 times kamehameha). Divide 4000 by 50 and you'll find out that godly ki is 80 times as powerful as normal ki but being able to sense godly ki and can only be sensed by it, and the godly ki is so refined that its power is compressed. SSJ4 God would be 320000 times as powerful as normal ki with the added benefits above. I'll call it Super Saiyan Violet Violet(Red+Blue). The fur color would be violet and the hair turns red just like how super saiyan god turned goku and vegeta's hair red.
Nope , Base GT Goku since sugoroku space destruction is stronger , goalpost argument is faulty as long as the characters haven't performed feats against cosmology with comparable scaling .
@@paulhamtorlia3039Heroes is a game promotion anime having authority over its own scaling only not other series , where the ones mostly seen in Ssj4 forms aren't even GT characters . U mention that evenly matched thing yet couple episodes later Vegito blue kaioken gets outclassed by Base Cumber and Ssj4 Vegito beats Ssj Cumber . Its a fanservice anime to make fans happy with alternate versions of characters using popular forms not establish scaling between dbs and gt characters .
@@humanman9920 Cucumber would've been weakened by Vegito blue and SSJ4 Vegito have way more experience. While it's true that heroes is a game promotion anime, it's the closest we have.
While on the topic of this form, I'm a bit confused about the requirements. At first, I thought that all you had to do was achieve super saiyan while in the great ape form, but that doesn't make too much sense to me. Because think about it, imagine of Goten and Trunks had saiyan tails and did this very thing. They would practically skip all other normal levels of super saiyan from grade 2, all the way through super saiyan 3. And they'd have a form stronger than ssj3 that doesn't have the same stamina issues as far as I know. So do you have to achieve the other super saiyan forms as well as have a certain power level or is it just that easy?
It is not true. if you have 2 goku challenge each other, one of them will always say that basic goku's phrase. frieza on the other hand has zero interaction.
It’s a little off topic but you don’t really grasp how powerful Black is until you realize he’s just as strong or stronger than ssj4. It’s actually scary
It'd be cool if GT got made canon as some kind of alternate dimension where Goku never meets Beerus so he just gets more Raw strength (as is Super Saiyan 4). The God power does sort of help explain the Sun Wukong like appearance developing from SSJ4. As if he has God Power that transcends the power of the Dragon Balls but Goku neither Vegeta neither Baby have any idea of what the true power swelling in them is from Oozaru form.
Already shown in daima trailer in the montage of previous series leaving only z movies and heroes . " DBGT is a grand side story of *original dragon ball* " - Akira Toriyama in dbgt dvd box set message . It has been canon for a long time now .
Welp this told me that fighter Z still & only dbz game with best interactions!!! Made me feel like the game was rushed smh most likely was for cash grab after the creator past!.....
Goku sweeps everyone (super characters) off their feet in the end with Super. Since the one from GT is based on the one from the end of Z that comes after Super. Who, by the way, has trained with someone with the potential of Boo for 10 years. So it's absurd that they think that the ones from Super would have a chance. Plus, he sweeps everyone off their feet with his "divine" transformations and his ultra instinct and ego that no one can beat.
They complained about the first broly movie; OG broly not speaking but Super's broly doesnt say SHIT like NO WORDS. First broly has dialogue in every game and every movie except bio broly. Super broly and SUPER IN GENERAL made me just tune out of dbz completely it SUCKS.
U must think the DBS SSJ Crayola kits are better since u have those a pass lol smh its crazy how u think the most original looking form that comes with a different more primal intense personality is the form worth bashing when DBS just looks like a rainbow fest.
Yeah yeah whatever, just remember it's not a stupid recolor of a previous form and actually has a better meaning: Saiyans going back to their roots, not just going "godder and godder" with a new hair color.
Saiyan Saga Vegeta exists :
Goku at SSJ4 : This form is necessary to beat you.
Dude, its generic dialogue
Cell: "No wonder Vegeta has an ego. You all fed him."
Because that would be hilarious
That's the thing. He doesn't want to win, he wants to _beat_ Vegeta. In the "it's time for your daily beating" sense.
@@evilchild1851 dude, it's a joke
Frieza not making any monkey remarks for SSJ 4 is downright criminal
Seriously he shoulda went “i know i call you monkey but this is ridiculous”
So the thumbnail is clickbait...
@@morningivyall his interactions videos are clickbaits
@@prince_badman Good to know....
> do not recommend
Literally came to see that n so disappointed
SSJ4 Goku: This power is necessary. This is the only way I beat you.
Saiyan Saga Vegeta: Are... are you serious? That form is exceptionally overkill.
I think there is a reasonable explanation for this. I like to imagine that some dialogue takes place in their own separate timelines where certain events took place to allow these interactions. For example, if you make Early Z Goku fight Turles, then they have a unique interaction with Turles saying Kakarot is an insult and Goku ending the fight saying he won't forgive Turles. But then I had a fight where I had Super Saiyan God Goku fight Turles and Goku said they would have fun and Turles would agree saying how they were both Low-class warriors. So I like to think the random generic dialogue is each happening in separate timelines like the What if scenarios in the game.
0:44 "Listen man," just felt so earnest
**Saiyan Saga Vegeta at 18k power level exists**
Goku SSJ4 at trillions: This might be not enough
To be fair, some weird universal power is literally evening them out......
@TheDeathmail ikr, this has nothing to do with SZ but just look at 17 . He catched up with SS Blue by fighting poachers and sparring with some punny Cell Jr's lmao. Power scaling in DB doesn't make sense anymore
@@TheDeathmailthat’s fightersz
Trillions ? Its been several layers into infinite since Base Goku destroyed sugoroku space lol .
@@humanman9920 that is true. Power levels on end of cell saga and buu sage are impossible to calc lol
I like how SSJ4 Goku has consistently been sort of John Wayne Goku.
Goku's emo kid arc
been listening to too much my chemical romance
That's what the form does to you. It makes you Him.
@@zamasuaboveallThat’s emo. Wayne is a gunslinger.
@@superpaytonmars8852And listening to the band HIM makes you terrible…
Kidding.
3:33 I like how the dialogue is not a generic "Kakarot!", because Broly can't recognize Goku anymore
That's because he doesn't say Kakarot in Lssj form. Even calls him Goku sometimes.
Im pretty sure in the old games whenever broly is put against goku using a transformation he never fought against he'd say "K-Kakarot..?" in a confused tone. I wonder why they didnt do that here.
@@ziel9474For a new scenario, probably.
Pan really out here saying she hopes it’s ok if she goes all out against SS4
She does not want to hurt her Grampa
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Not like she even can when he’s in that form
She should be more worried about herself
@@Sjono shes a baby rela lmao
SSJ4 is so goated bro omg
I agree very much
If GT wasn’t a thing it’s what supersaiyan god should have looked like
@@solo9601they would’ve just ruined 4 by making it redundant 😂
So, can we discuss how most people who dislike gt, still like Ssj4
Cuz Ssj4 still makes it past that " cool looking " barrier. Most still don't understand its narrative in depth , but the design and abilities is already enough . They would have no problem with Gt if it was longer with more fanservice as well , i mean , majority literally considers black star db arc the bad one in it over Super 17 , wonder why...
@@humanman9920 honestly couldn't tell ya, I thought it was fine, a little less action. Sure but the slice of life was on point and overall seeing them all move into normal living was nice, tho the funny thing is. Gt according to timeline hasn't happened yet
The problem gt has was the immense slow burn left a lot of people lacking. and other thing like Super 17 not really adding to the plot. Really it only had like 2 good arcs
Eh not really
Db having slice of life moments is never a bad thing imo. The original patch iirc was an action comedy anyway.
I don't care what anyone says Super Saiyan 4 is hardcore.
It’s very hardcore it’s lives hardcore
If there's one thing from GT I'd love to see canonized, it's SSJ4.
Problem is that unless they introduce a new U7 Saiyan or let Goten, Trunks, Pan and Bulla grow tails, the form is effectively made redundant by the god forms, SSJ Rage, SSJ Berserk, Beast Gohan and the Ultra forms. And it can't be a U6 Saiyan because they evolved out of having tails.
Ssj4 is in my opinion, peak mortality. I say that because god ki isn't involved. This form is pure primal sayian power under complete control. That's why I personally like it better than the god forms...also it looks really cool.
ssj4 is the most creative form that thematically makes sense considering. while the "god" forms are just different palate swaps of hair. at lease super saiyan 3 had some small amount of bestial look to it.
@@stevemitchell4663SSJ4 also doesn't completely devalue 2 and 3, because you need a tail to unlock it. So if you don't have a tail, you're not shit outta luck, you can still push the SSJ form to higher levels of power without combining it with Oozaru.
Meanwhile, SSJ God ensures that you can just bypass 2 and 3, making them pointless.
@@superpaytonmars8852
There's a bit more nuance to SSJG than that. Super Saiyan forms seem to work on multipliers, SSJG is likely no different to that apart from also granting the user god ki.
SSJG doesn't seem to have a minimum power requirement, instead simply requiring a ritual involving five righteous Saiyans plus a recipient of their power or alternatively prolonged exposure to god ki. And being able to turn Super Saiyan doesn't necessarily seem to be a requirement for the ritual either. So it technically can also bypass regular Super Saiyan.
Thing is, even if you bypass the mortal Super Saiyan forms and go straight to SSJG, training to reach those forms is still beneficial. There's more of a benefit with regular Super Saiyan since you can then use that to unlock Super Saiyan Blue, but you're still working with power multipliers. SSJG on Battle of Gods Goku is likely far more powerful than SSJG would be on, say, Saiyan Saga Raditz.
Also, if you don't have access to enough righteous Saiyans to do the ritual and don't regularly hang out with divine beings, you also have to resort to having to push the mortal Super Saiyan forms to higher levels instead, regardless of whether you decide to go ape or not.
Of course, both branches of Super Saiyan are far more accessible than SSJ Berserk/LSSJ, which requires a genetic predisposition to the form.
@@superpaytonmars8852 Vegeta didn't need a tail to go SSJ4
SS4 Goku facing basic early Vegeta: This is going to be tough
SS4 Goku facing SS god Vegeta: You can never beat me
So to SS4 Goku, the god forms are weaker than their starting forms????
This universal time thing really is messing with everyone.....
Dude some of them are just generic, it's not that difficult
Well ssj4 goku can't sense god ki can he
@@obscurity7110 he can't
@@obscurity7110But he could feel the pressure. And by all means, SSG forms aren’t impressive
@ruintheday13 I see, well fair point ngl
It's funny how Goku's voice changes for SSJ 3, 4 and IT meanwhile Vegeta has the same voice for all his forms 😂 I'm sure he'll have the same voice for UE too whenever it's animated
In the original English dub SSJ4 Vegeta had a deeper voice like SSJ4 Goku did but it seems like Chris Sabat forgot that and has just never done it since
The way he said “Son Goku” just gives off the sheer badassery.
I love how there's parts of gt people still enjoy, like ssj4 goku and vegeta. Definitely a favorite transformation.
the characters were cool, the story was just poorly written. Baby added unique backstory to the saiyans; Super 17 gave some context to what happened with the androids given their weird "well that happened" with Cell. The black star dragons or whatever they were called all had their own themes, etc, but for some reason Goku was based on his movie logic and consistently got beaten up in normal form before going super saiyan and wiping the floor with fodder characters. As an example, for a moment, a "super saiyan" power level fought a planet... and the planet was winning.
GT was a good example of "interesting concept, poor execution."
@@nathanielbass771" story was just poorly written " Sorry to break it to u baby arc is one of the best stories in dragon ball and its very well written. Super 17 was primarily there to work as a prelude to shadow dragons and that part it did well setting up the narrative of Goku being the centre of problems with a villain from the past series and a recent from this one coming together for a revenge plot , while showing dragon balls getting cracked throughout it finally triggered by the instability brought on earth by merging hell , even if it was bad as a standalone story . Its the shadow dragons not black star . No he wasn't , he was shown to beat up several characters in base and he used ssj forms when he got overwhelmed , Goku is the first character who likes to test his opponents before going to a greater power , and in instances where it was clear he had no chance in previous forms he went straight to his best like against Baby Vegeta. These characters u call " fodder " solo most of dbz .
@@xydis.06.03Nope , full on fanservice ≠ execution .
@@humanman9920 You really need to rewatch it... goku nearly died to someone whom pan claimed she could beat (meaning his power level fell by a factor of like 100,000 times). Pan isn't even peak earthling level... she's not even RADITZ level. Baby somehow managed to get to earth and infect the entire population of earth but for some reason didn't just infect Goku and Pan while they were with him. Space worms were somehow more powerful than goku's base form; Omega Shenron somehow managed to instantly kill the 4-star dragon despite his power being GREATER than Omega Shenron's; The black star dragonballs... existing (ah yes, somehow, they blow up the planet they are used on and scatter across the entire universe...); Goku for some reason retained his power level despite the dragon "resetting" most of his characteristics to be like he was a kid; As I said, the characters were great... their backstories are great... but the overall story itself? not so much. Most of the opponents who were beating up Goku's base form shouldn't have even been able to tickle it... (the guy was bullet-proof with a power-level of 10... which is only twice the average human earthling's power level... )
At the end. Goku is about to get touched by an angel
Wow, haven't heard of that series in _years_ . xD
WHEN YOU WALK DOWN THE ROAD
Ayo
Goku GT sounds so freaking serious it's so cool... Like his more Kakaort then Goku
A rampaging toddler is kind of a weird comparison imo
I imagine that's how kakarot would talk
2:35 4th form vs 4th form
0:27 I've not laughed that hard in so long
0:07 i love goku quickly realizing he's on camera and getting into his starting pose
Imagine Super Saiyan 4 actually happened in a canon timeline
Technically did. The first saiyans were basically looking like this
Well, we do have Super Broly now... 🧐
I see some people saying it will happen in daima, but I don’t see how
GT is a canon timeline. It's just a separate one.
4:11 Whis confirms SSJ4 stronger than SSJB. It's canon now.
Wasn’t whis talking about ultra instinct being weaker since yknow….we have that in the game
Goku also said the ssj4 is necessary to defeat base vegeta sayian saga
Its just a game it doesn't matter , Ssj4 is weaker multiplier but Base GT Goku is already stronger than super by feats .
@@humanman9920 SSJ4 is leaps and bounds over SSJB
@@Amirispherereally not
0:22 Uub so funny for me here.
The fact that they made Uub canon to super was a good call.
That one against ape vegeta made me laugh. Also why the hell does he almost sound like Raiden from metal gear 😂
GT was always edgy so it doesnt surprise me that ssj4 goku has the edgiest dialogue
I love those interactions between him and Scouter/Great Ape Vegeta.
0:29 Oh come on Goku, you know the best way to beat Vegeta is a game of rock, paper, scissors lol
0:31 bro relax it’s Sayain saga Vegeta
Dang wish he had a special dialogue/interaction with Ssj God Goku, Ssj God Vegeta just sounds done with him already 😂😂😂😂
My man Beerus was doing a whole "cat" walk
I was kinda hoping we'd get some more unique interactions with SSj4 Goku against the Super cast.
0:44
1:19 🦍 vs. 🔴
1:29 🔵
2:18 and 2:32
2:48 Goku 🔵
3:18 🦍 vs. 🟢😡
3:46 🦍 vs. 🟣🐱
It is sad there are nearly no reactions on SSJ4... SSJ4 is the perfect SSJ with Ultra instinct in it! That should have more reactions!
Great Ape Vegeta: You really think you can topple someone ten times your strength and size?
Super Saiyan 4 Goku: *Fingerflicks Vegeta to the ground* Yes.
goku: super saiyan 4 is the only way to beat you
vegeta: MY POWER LEVEL IS 18000 WTF
Crazy how many people recognized him. I know they can just feel ki but still
Pan: I hope it’s okay if I go all out grandpa 😊❤
Goku: SHUT UP!!!
God I wish a saiyan 5 was a thing here
3:29 what’s your power level? Mines pretty big
thumbnail is craaazy
It’s Slick Goku!
I really miss him dawg
@ same
God rest his soul
I legit think SSJ 4 goku is God ki but in there universe there no God ki or a equivalent so in that case SSJ4 us strongest inuhis universe but maybe as strong as ssj blue
Well when GT Goku needs some ki boost it was slightly similar to god Sayian ritual😅 but without 5th Sayian. GT have really big time skip, when Super is just few months after Buu saga. GT Goku base would be stronger than Super Goku base. But Because of God boosts and many serious battles (no manga include) super Goku is still stronger with god forms.
@@ПавелДанилов-э8х@StevenJones851 I'm just gonna copy paste because I'm tired of writing this out.
Saiyan Forms:
Great Ape: x10
Super Saiyan: x50
Super Saiyan 2: x100 (2x Super Saiyan)
Super Saiyan 3: x400 (4x Super Saiyan 2)
Golden Great Ape: x500
Super Saiyan 4: x4000 (10x Super Saiyan 3)
God Forms:
Super Saiyan God: x500
Super Saiyan Blue: All stats x550 (10% increase over Super Saiyan God)
Super Saiyan Blue (Evolved): x1100 (2x Super Saiyan Blue)
(Maybe 600 instead???)
This is what my math has come down too.
It also means that 4 is alarmingly stronger than anything in Super.
@@C.N.D._The_72ndthat’s more detailed than me. I just peg Ssg and Ssj4 as >= 500 because it was stronger than ssj3 😂
SS4 Goku is awesome 😎
Kinda sad they didn't include Evolution for Vegeta in this game. Or add Supereme Kai as a character. I know they said Evolution isn't canon. But would of been nice to see it tho. :) Also having Xeno characters in the game would be pretty fun. Or at least their outfits/costumes. :)
I like how completely overconfident goku 4 is in front of beerus and whis even though they both would completely wipe the floor with him.
But tbf this goku never met them so he has an excuse and doesn't know any better, he can't feel their power either since he doesn't have god ki.
Sorta.... you need to remember that this Goku is way stronger than when he met Beerus in that timeline as well....
Like, we literally have no idea how strong he is in comparison to Beerus or Jiren.....
But Whis claims Goku is stronger (obviously talking about in comparison to himself), so at least in this case, he's stronger than SSB Goku.... sorta, maybe
It should be noted that SS4 Goku isn't scared of Golden Frieza (and he can feel his power) and that Frieza is the one from the tournament of power.... so not way too far behind Beerus....
Also, he had no fear of Broly, who he and Vegeta needed Super Saiyan Blue Gojeta to win against.....
In the end, none of this is canon.... this is a game where Raditz can fight Beerus.....
@@TheDeathmail In dragon ball heroes, SSJ4 Goku and SSJB Goku are evenly matched. Despite SSJ4 Goku had a way longer time training than SSJB Goku, DBS Goku was trained by Whis. DBS Goku surpasses SSJ4 with Ultra Instinct. Though it would be interesting how powerful SSJ4 God would be(blue is just super saiyan + god). SSJ1 multiplies one's power level by 50. SSJ4 is SS3J(x400 times)+Great Ape(10 times) which equals 4000 times(hence 10 times kamehameha). Divide 4000 by 50 and you'll find out that godly ki is 80 times as powerful as normal ki but being able to sense godly ki and can only be sensed by it, and the godly ki is so refined that its power is compressed. SSJ4 God would be 320000 times as powerful as normal ki with the added benefits above. I'll call it Super Saiyan Violet Violet(Red+Blue). The fur color would be violet and the hair turns red just like how super saiyan god turned goku and vegeta's hair red.
Nope , Base GT Goku since sugoroku space destruction is stronger , goalpost argument is faulty as long as the characters haven't performed feats against cosmology with comparable scaling .
@@paulhamtorlia3039Heroes is a game promotion anime having authority over its own scaling only not other series , where the ones mostly seen in Ssj4 forms aren't even GT characters . U mention that evenly matched thing yet couple episodes later Vegito blue kaioken gets outclassed by Base Cumber and Ssj4 Vegito beats Ssj Cumber . Its a fanservice anime to make fans happy with alternate versions of characters using popular forms not establish scaling between dbs and gt characters .
@@humanman9920 Cucumber would've been weakened by Vegito blue and SSJ4 Vegito have way more experience. While it's true that heroes is a game promotion anime, it's the closest we have.
I like this Goku's voice
Same
Why does ss4 looks so skinny
While on the topic of this form, I'm a bit confused about the requirements. At first, I thought that all you had to do was achieve super saiyan while in the great ape form, but that doesn't make too much sense to me. Because think about it, imagine of Goten and Trunks had saiyan tails and did this very thing. They would practically skip all other normal levels of super saiyan from grade 2, all the way through super saiyan 3. And they'd have a form stronger than ssj3 that doesn't have the same stamina issues as far as I know. So do you have to achieve the other super saiyan forms as well as have a certain power level or is it just that easy?
Even Whis acknowledges SSJ4 as stronger than Blue.
0:15 Let's fight Buu
It's Uub
Buub
Anyone realize "his world" from sonic 06 playing in the background?
Hi n ssj4 been one of my favorite Saiyan transformation n I hope they put it in xenoverse 2 someday
SSJ4 is the best transformation
2:10 2:59 3:09 - The only non-GT characters to recognize Goku at SSj4
It is not true. if you have 2 goku challenge each other, one of them will always say that basic goku's phrase. frieza on the other hand has zero interaction.
@@ilcaglia Goku realized he was fighting himself. Also why is Frieza is going on about revenge then?
It’s a little off topic but you don’t really grasp how powerful Black is until you realize he’s just as strong or stronger than ssj4. It’s actually scary
Where is Ultra Instinct Goku? is there one?
Still my favorite form
is it just me or does ss4 goku kinda sound like snake from metal gear solid 4
3 third gsme in a row that said ss4 goku is the sttongest goku. Xenoverse 1/2, FighterZ and now Sparking Zero
i really miss the electric arround ssj transformation..DBS is lacking...
It'd be cool if GT got made canon as some kind of alternate dimension where Goku never meets Beerus so he just gets more Raw strength (as is Super Saiyan 4). The God power does sort of help explain the Sun Wukong like appearance developing from SSJ4. As if he has God Power that transcends the power of the Dragon Balls but Goku neither Vegeta neither Baby have any idea of what the true power swelling in them is from Oozaru form.
Already shown in daima trailer in the montage of previous series leaving only z movies and heroes .
" DBGT is a grand side story of *original dragon ball* " - Akira Toriyama in dbgt dvd box set message .
It has been canon for a long time now .
@@humanman9920 That's interesting. I wasn't really sure on the status of Super Saiyan 4.
Too bad they're kinda generic. I was hoping it would be like XV/2 when my GT Kid Goku would be like: "Hey, Lord Beerus! Long time no see!"
2:54 money shot
Welp this told me that fighter Z still & only dbz game with best interactions!!! Made me feel like the game was rushed smh most likely was for cash grab after the creator past!.....
Ssj4 goku
Realistically: SSG > SSJ4.
I like SSJ4 much more and its concept and design makes much more sense etc., but it's no match to SSG whatsoever.
Goku sweeps everyone (super characters) off their feet in the end with Super. Since the one from GT is based on the one from the end of Z that comes after Super. Who, by the way, has trained with someone with the potential of Boo for 10 years. So it's absurd that they think that the ones from Super would have a chance. Plus, he sweeps everyone off their feet with his "divine" transformations and his ultra instinct and ego that no one can beat.
Edging to these interactions
SSJ4 the only way to beat sayian saga vegeta? 😂
super moneky 💀
They complained about the first broly movie; OG broly not speaking but Super's broly doesnt say SHIT like NO WORDS.
First broly has dialogue in every game and every movie except bio broly.
Super broly and SUPER IN GENERAL made me just tune out of dbz completely it SUCKS.
0:23 And automatically I like Zeno Robinson more than Sean Teague as Uub!
These are lazy dialogues I’m sorry
3:44
Why sounds so edgy? 😂
clickbait
I don't like the visuals of this game, it should look way better for a 2024 game
Some of these quotes sound generic asf
The only reason I don’t like super Saiyan 4 is because it somehow changes kids into adults. That’s what kills it for me.
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7 of them and they belong to a magical wish granting dragon 🐉
lmao, ssj god vegeta could beat ssj4 goku with one punch
Sorry to burst the bubble but Base Goku since sugoroku space destruction clears
Ssb is just pathetic
Ssg is higher than ssj4
Nah man, if Frieza can match and even surpass a super saiyan god with just 4 months of training. Makes the god powers pointless
@@danielmedjedovic7068What does that have anything to do with ssj4 Goku? 2 completely different characters
@darksamus671 not to mention races and growth rates
Well because the fact is that Frieza faced off Ssjg Goku.
Ssg is not even close to ssj4 bro
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I hate super Saiyan 4 it looks so goofy and just stupid
Looks better than a basic recolor of Super Saiyan :|
U must think the DBS SSJ Crayola kits are better since u have those a pass lol smh its crazy how u think the most original looking form that comes with a different more primal intense personality is the form worth bashing when DBS just looks like a rainbow fest.
Yeah yeah whatever, just remember it's not a stupid recolor of a previous form and actually has a better meaning: Saiyans going back to their roots, not just going "godder and godder" with a new hair color.
man, bait used to be believable.
@@ejayemike6541 DBS SSJ Crayola kits lmao