Whatever Happened to Post Office Station?

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  • The endless confusion over St Paul’s. I realise that by asking a question in the title of this video, it’s guaranteed that around 50% of comments will be people answering that question without watching the video.
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  • @TheFrogfather1
    @TheFrogfather1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +895

    That diagram certainly cleared things up.

    • @francisboyle1739
      @francisboyle1739 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      String theory to the rescue!

    • @Dave_Sisson
      @Dave_Sisson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Yes! Jago has listened to our requests for maps! Things are so much easier to understand now. ;-)

    • @barneypaws4883
      @barneypaws4883 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      It must have taken Jago several weeks to draw such a detailed map

    • @marvintpandroid2213
      @marvintpandroid2213 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It was a great help

    • @phmc123
      @phmc123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Nice to see Jago got a chance to use his crayons. Did make me laugh

  • @ShedTV
    @ShedTV 3 ปีที่แล้ว +165

    I was expecting you to say that Post Office station had been downsized and moved into the back corner of a Spar shop.

    • @pgwalling6478
      @pgwalling6478 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Or it disappeared over the horizon

  • @jamesburchell6502
    @jamesburchell6502 3 ปีที่แล้ว +163

    The explanation of the name changes could have come straight out of “Yes minister”.

    • @sirmeowthelibrarycat
      @sirmeowthelibrarycat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      😂 Indeed! Arise, Sir Jago Hazzard now Sir Humphrey Appleby is no more.

    • @dessmith1387
      @dessmith1387 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@sirmeowthelibrarycat
      Very droll

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I understood it perfectly, Geoff Marshall did the same with Embankment/Strand/Trafalgar Square/ Charing Cross/ Strand/Aldwych. Jago missed out Holborn Station which was either Holborn or /and Farringdon but he has already covered that separately.

    • @waleolabowale9825
      @waleolabowale9825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think I came across this during the lockdown and have remained loyal to the quality inform action
      I bet this is happening all over the world an it's big cities especially where substantial social engineering has taken place
      Bravo Jago!!

  • @brentos-the-mentos
    @brentos-the-mentos 3 ปีที่แล้ว +307

    "While the Luftwaffe were doing their own town planning"
    This made me laugh harder than I should have

  • @mallardtheduck1
    @mallardtheduck1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    And just to add another "tube" connection; the GPO headquarters complex on Newgate Street had its own "tube station" on the London Post Office Railway.

    • @burprobrox9134
      @burprobrox9134 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Stop we can’t take anymore 😂

    • @stuarthall6631
      @stuarthall6631 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Isn't that upon Mr. Hazzard's wonderful diagram (I'll re-run and pause to check)?

  • @TheNemocharlie
    @TheNemocharlie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    Love the diagram that explains it all.

  • @cd0u50c9
    @cd0u50c9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    "During the Second World War, when the Luftwaffe were engaged in their own form of town planning" - that cracked me up - there was lettuce all over my computer screen. Please never stop making videos of this type of content and humour.

  • @6yjjk
    @6yjjk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +254

    That's some Geoff Marshall-quality diagramming, right there.

  • @luca7069
    @luca7069 3 ปีที่แล้ว +254

    "While the Luftwaffe were engaged in their own form of town planning"

    • @johncrwarner
      @johncrwarner 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I live in a city where in the city centre
      the oldest buildings were erected in the 1950s
      that was courtesy of RAF and USAF town planning
      as we say.
      It is great if you like the muted modernism of 1950s architecture
      (which I do)
      Some of our buildings were recreated from the rubble
      but the structures are all new.

    • @mittfh
      @mittfh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@johncrwarner Meanwhile, up in Coventry, it's widely joked that the town planners did more damage than the Luftwaffe (ouch!) or they finished the job the Luftwaffe started (double ouch!)

    • @Jules_Diplopia
      @Jules_Diplopia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@mittfh Yep, that would be the wonderful inner city ringroad around a city that was not big enough to warrant one, but Birmingham had one, so Coventry had to follow. It cut through several ancient and important streets, turning them into deadends.
      That was compounded by the New shopping precincts. Well Birmingham had the Bull Ring, so Coventry needed to compete. It didn't of course, being too small, but the city fathers of Coventry have had a long standing inferiority complex.

    • @mittfh
      @mittfh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Jules_Diplopia Not just the ring road and shopping precincts, but it's doubtful there weren't any surviving buildings in the university and civic centre quadrants either. Heck, "medieval" Spon Street is largely buildings rescued from elsewhere and relocated (and even then, there's a butt ugly modern building at the bottom before it gets truncated by the ring road).

    • @sunjamm222
      @sunjamm222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I always say Coventry should invite the Luftwaffe back to see if they can do a better job than the local council.

  • @maninacave
    @maninacave 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Another fascinating video, Jago! I used to work for Smith of Derby, the clockmaker company who made the large blue 'round thing' on the old Post Office station building. (I designed the electronics inside it). I spent many hours on a scaffold attached to that building, precariously placed between the traffic and the clock and I had absolutely no idea that it used to be the station building. Being from up north, I used to take the train to St Pancras and then the tube to St Paul's and walk to the clock. Unbelievable how much tube history you can be near and have no clue. Thank you very much indeed for the video!

  • @PawnFischer
    @PawnFischer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Really love your format, no yelling at the camera, shaking your arms like an epileptic, and all that jazz. Just straight info, with a sprinkle of humour, love it!

  • @g_e_o_m9369
    @g_e_o_m9369 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    That diagram is going to get you a cease and desist from Geoff Marshall if you're not careful.

  • @hhgttg69
    @hhgttg69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    need to put that diagram on a t-shirt and sell it.

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Its actually Jagos GPS report of his lockdown walks

  • @1974UTuber
    @1974UTuber 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    The National Gallery just called and wants their Jackson Pollock back.
    The one you showed at 4:55 🤣

    • @stuarthall6631
      @stuarthall6631 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      L.O.L. !!

    • @mypointofview1111
      @mypointofview1111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      More like Tate Modern, they've got at least one Pollock there.

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      David Shrigley

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mypointofview1111 British Fishing is in trouble , cannot sell Pollocks to the EU at present

    • @DavidNewmanDr
      @DavidNewmanDr 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not a pair of pollucks?

  • @FannyLerouxTime
    @FannyLerouxTime 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The diagram helped everything to make sense for me, I was getting so confused!

  • @BarryAllenMagic
    @BarryAllenMagic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    The Post Office Headquarters (P.O.H.Q.) that you showed is known as King Edward Building (K.E.B). in later years, it was the District Office/Delivery Office (D.O.) for the London East City area (EC1 - EC4); and also contained the Foreign Section (the F.S.). Yep - we certainly loved abbreviations in the P.O. This building was on the 1927 Post Office Railway (P.O.R) - later known Mail Rail from 1987 - so did in a way, have it's own station. Great video yet again J.H.

    • @michaeljames4904
      @michaeljames4904 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Might I ask, from genuine curiosity, what the “Foreign Section” was? Sounds like Le Carré speak for a department of postal espionage.

    • @BarryAllenMagic
      @BarryAllenMagic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@michaeljames4904 Hi Michael. The F.S. wasn't as exciting as that (if only!). There were no ricin-tipped umbrellas developed; nor code-breaking undertaken for any mail to or from the Soviet Bloc. It was simply where overseas mail was sorted. The only claim to fame was that whilst working at KEB, the term used for you was the "Men of the EC". If you worked in the Foreign Section, you had the term "the Gentlemen of the F.S." This dated back many years. The statue of the founder of the Post Office, Roland Hill, still stands 'proudly' outside (although no longer a R.M. Building) - albeit, from a certain angle, it can appear somewhat rude, given his hand position. Check Google images and you'll see what I mean! Clearly, he would never have got to work in the F.S.

    • @AndreyRubtsovRU
      @AndreyRubtsovRU 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I feel entire UK loves their abbreviations.

    • @BarryAllenMagic
      @BarryAllenMagic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@marksinthehouse1968 Working at EDO as a PHG one could acquire considerable ED on the P552 - particularly in the RLE.

    • @michaeljames4904
      @michaeljames4904 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BarryAllenMagic Thanks, Bazza, you Gentleman of the GPO, you!

  • @calmeilles
    @calmeilles 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Quite right about the stacked tunnels being the result of the narrowness of the roads but it wasn't entirely because they were cautious about undermining buildings.
    The wayleaves included in the Central London Railway Act (1891) included as far as possible only the roads below which the railway was to run. As public property these could be included at little expense. But to go elsewhere wayleaves had to be negotiated with every landowner - and, importantly, paid for. The stacked tunnels were, essentially, a money-saving wheeze.

  • @bigaspidistra
    @bigaspidistra 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Of course there was no confusion introduced at all by naming the Thameslink station "City" when the Waterloo & City line doesn't go there. Although it runs pretty close and directly under Blackfriars.

  • @sewing9434
    @sewing9434 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is a Hazzardesque tour-de-force! The nomenclature! The architecture! The history!
    ... AND as others have said, the map DEFINITELY cleared things up! Well done! ;)

    • @sewing9434
      @sewing9434 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also...is 2:05 deliberately timed, or just serendipity?

  • @TheN21yid
    @TheN21yid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Used to be postman at the post office at st pauls

    • @garyknight3979
      @garyknight3979 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too in the early 80's loved skiving off to drivers cafe ...Roses for a tea and cheese roll

    • @TheN21yid
      @TheN21yid 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was there 87-95

    • @batchint
      @batchint 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      you all missed the first high rise office moorgate/london wall... then (circa 1960ish)

    • @garyknight3979
      @garyknight3979 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheN21yid 76 to 82

  • @Zveebo
    @Zveebo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    We're always asking for diagrams, Jago - great that you ended the video with one this time 👍😂

  • @johncrwarner
    @johncrwarner 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I find the naming of streets and
    here in Germany (pharmacies)
    tell you a lot about how towns have developed
    There is a "Post Apotheke" which is no where near
    the current post office, the former post offices
    or even the old post office (from the late 19th century)
    It implies that the post office was in an even older part of town.
    Then we have the "Bären Apotheke" (Bear Pharmacy)
    which is nearish to the "Zum Bären" bar
    implying there was a bear pit nearby
    probably on the site of the 1920s
    neo-classical city bank.

    • @sofa-lofa4241
      @sofa-lofa4241 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Barings bank?

    • @johncrwarner
      @johncrwarner 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sofa-lofa4241
      Not sure Barings made it
      to "sunny" Bielefeld.

    • @sofa-lofa4241
      @sofa-lofa4241 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johncrwarner it was a very poor 'bear' joke, 🐻😩
      Barings didn't make it very far anywhere in the industry after Nick Leeson's infamous 'investments'

    • @maryapatterson
      @maryapatterson 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hang on where's your diagram?

    • @dessmith1387
      @dessmith1387 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I didn't think Bielefeld even existed,
      according to some accounts.

  • @AtibaQuildan
    @AtibaQuildan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    St Paul's and City Thameslink stations were recently listed as OSI on tube map which probably saves a bit of money from having a underground connection.

  • @nystemy
    @nystemy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That diagram at the end has proven mighty useful. I can know fully comprehend the inner workings of not just these stations, but the whole London tube network throughout history.
    But on a more serious note, foot tunnels between closely situated stations are a wonderful thing that I wish more stations had.
    In Stockholm where I live, we have some places that are a bit like that.
    Though, the central tube station in Stockholm is an impressive feat to navigate, having 6 tube platforms, 4 commuter train platforms, and then 4 platforms for the tram (it is 1 tram line, it literal has 2 stops that are on either side of the central tube station...), and still having sufficient proximity to three other stations that they could just be considered part of the same.... One of those stations being the central railway station with its 14+ platforms being connected with a convenient short foot tunnel that is shorter than one of the foot tunnels between platforms within the actual tube station itself. Just look it up on google, it is called "T centralen".
    I wouldn't be surprised if it some day gobbles up Hötorget that is remarkably close. Same story for Kungsträdgården, though that is practically part of the same underground complex if it weren't for the fact that one technically walks outdoor over Sergelstorg.

    • @barvdw
      @barvdw 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How is it going with the plans to add a few stations to the blue line from Kungsträdgården? I was lucky enough to be able to visit the City-Tunnel during construction, quite the feat.

    • @dessmith1387
      @dessmith1387 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      There used to be twenty five platforms at London Waterloo station.

    • @nystemy
      @nystemy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@barvdw The works for that is currently in progress and some stations are being built as far as I know. Though, it is a lot of tunnelling, so will likely take a fair bit of time.

    • @nystemy
      @nystemy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dessmith1387 There is though a huge difference between 25 neatly spaced platforms, and the situation at T-centralen in Stockholm.
      T-centralen isn't a bunch of platforms sitting on by the other. But it rather consists of 4 platforms on 2 levels, that is then connected with a foot tunnel to another 2 platforms, that is situated over 4 more platforms that has access to the prior 4 platforms via a so called "mellanplan", a public space with a waiting hall, convenience stores and even a ticket hall within the station itself. Ie, a ticket hall that you need a ticket to even get to.
      Then the station has a second "mellanplan" as well, not to mention the station's 4 entrances that aren't having direct access to everything.
      One can walk around within the station for half an hour without passing one's own tracks relatively easily.
      Here is a small 3D map of the place: stockholmiana.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/modell-station-stockholm-city-moddad.jpg

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dessmith1387 how many now ?

  • @nicball4719
    @nicball4719 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Best descriptive diagram ever

  • @davidsummer8631
    @davidsummer8631 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    That was a first class video which gets my stamp of approval

    • @davidsummer8631
      @davidsummer8631 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@chrismccartney8668 Which might become sheets of praise

  • @Jules_Diplopia
    @Jules_Diplopia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Oh thank goodness for the diagram, I was starting to get confused.

  • @RobinHullBuilds
    @RobinHullBuilds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Jago
    I recall when I was working for The Post Office (Royal Mail) Public Affairs in the 1990’s, that we had several buildings in the area, including the magnificent King Edwards Building which, at the time housed the Post Office Museum. The post office counter, which I believe is Grade I listed, is still in situ even though the branch was closed and the building sold.
    I remember attending an evening of Jazz at KEB, an event organised for opinion formers, when halfway through the set by the band, The First Class Sounds (lead by Digby Fairweather), they were stopped by an electricity power cut. The on-site electrician sprang into action and my boss, the railway enthusiast and writer for Modern Railways, Alan Williams, ordered me to find a torch. I was then despatched to the gents toilet to help illuminate the flow! I kid you not!
    The First Class sounds recorded at least 2 CDs for The Post Office: Recorded Delivery and Special Delivery the former including the “Penny Black Blues” and “First Day Cover” ... its gets worse!
    Although I never saw them myself, I gather there were tunnels between the numerous post office buildings. Off one such tunnel was a room that, I was assured, contained a number of grave markers. Presumably from the nearby Postman’s Park?
    Have you visited Postman’s Park? It’s right next to the St Martin’s Le Grand building and contains a covered walkway that houses a number of ceramic plaques giving details of heroic deeds!
    Another great video. Well done that man!

    • @JagoHazzard
      @JagoHazzard  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I did visit the park - actually, I took some footage of it. I reckon it’s worth a video in itself.

    • @RobinHullBuilds
      @RobinHullBuilds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JagoHazzard oh most definitely. The citations are quite moving!

  • @AndreasEldhSweden
    @AndreasEldhSweden 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the diagram! Reminds me of when I was visiting in 1992 and there was a security alert. I got off and walked to the next station just to be announced another security alert. This time I just got on a random train conveniently at the other platform. I didn't know which line this was, neither which direction. When I finally worked out all the possibilities of where I was going and how I would get to where I wanted, I had drawn almost the complete map!

  • @michaeldwyer3352
    @michaeldwyer3352 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Congrats on a wonderful 'clarification'. One wonders why at some point the authorities didn't step in and resolve the confusion by simply merging the Cathedral and the Post Office into one grand new building.

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well the mint put a picture of wren on the back of a tenner ?

  • @spalftac
    @spalftac 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    All they have to do now is rename St Paul’s Cathedral.

    • @adscri
      @adscri 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ClarinoI More likely City Thameslink Basilica

    • @pjeaton58
      @pjeaton58 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Make it a mosque !

  • @alzeNL
    @alzeNL 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I laughed out loud at "Luftwaffe town planning" - absolute genius.

  • @roguechemists2781
    @roguechemists2781 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's been a rough couple weeks across the pond from you. That diagram gave me the biggest laugh I've had all week, so cheers. Keep up the cool videos.

  • @misterthegeoff9767
    @misterthegeoff9767 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    With all of these stations being renamed to and from St. Paul's every few years one wonders how often they receive each other's post.

    • @andrewgwilliam4831
      @andrewgwilliam4831 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You've reminded me of something said on one of the "Futurama" DVD commentaries. Someone on it asked David X. Cohen (one of the show's co-creators) about his unusual middle initial. His response was that another writer was already called David Cohen, the writers' union doesn't allow the same name to be used by more than one person, so he added the middle initial. So he was then asked if he knew the other David Cohen; his answer was "We exchange cheques every now and then.". 😁

    • @2H80vids
      @2H80vids 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It must have happened, more than once. Good comment.😁

  • @keepingitrealandtruthful.5081
    @keepingitrealandtruthful.5081 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I did not know nothing about this yet I used to pass by St Paul's daily, very interesting indeed. I learned something today.
    Thanks.

  • @SimonRML2456
    @SimonRML2456 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The diagram at the end lol ..... brilliant , nearly spat my coffee out , Luftwaffe comment also funny .... another excellent video :-)

  • @richardpotter712
    @richardpotter712 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "I drew this diagram to help", ha ha very good. Don`t forget the new/old Post Office HQ at King Edward Buildings, in King Edward St. which later was a postal sorting office for overseas mail. I think it was called FOMO (foreign and overseas mail office.) now part of Merrill Lynch. I know this because I used to drop off and pick up mail from there. Thanks Jago.

  • @melgardner8316
    @melgardner8316 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is a nearby abandoned Central Line station between Holborn and TCR - British Museum. I’ve visited it, walking in from Holborn as there’s no longer direct access from street. There are lots of signs and posters remaining from the time when British Museum was an air raid shelter, after closure.

    • @ianmoseley9910
      @ianmoseley9910 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mel Gardner Interesting - I got the idea from maps that the British Museum station actually overlapped the current TCR.

    • @melgardner8316
      @melgardner8316 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ianmoseley9910 there is a good article on British Museum Station on Wikipedia. Between TCR and British Museum there were some reversing sidings, which have been decommissioned recently. The claim that joining it to Holborn Station was a tunnelling challenge would no longer be the case and would have given Holborn an entrance nearer Shaftesbury Avenue and the north side of Covent Garden. Providing escalators at British Museum would have resulted in a useful entrance further west along New Oxford Street, however this would have produced a spread out station equally as bad as present day Green Park, Waterloo and Bank/Monument.

  • @Beansontoast93911
    @Beansontoast93911 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Postman Pat.
    Postman Pat.
    Postman Pat and his black and white cat.
    Early in the morning, just as day is dawning, he picks up all the post bags in his van.
    Postman Pat.
    Postman Pat.
    Postman Pat and his black and white cat.
    All the birds are singing, and the day is just beginning.
    Pat feels he's a really happy man.

    • @cargy930
      @cargy930 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He's retired now. They just call him Pat.

    • @taraelizabethdensley9475
      @taraelizabethdensley9475 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I remember that cartoon

    • @simonwinter8839
      @simonwinter8839 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@taraelizabethdensley9475 Stop go animation, surely.

  • @channelsixtysix066
    @channelsixtysix066 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I have been beaten into submission with the naming of stations. I don't even try to figure it all out now. It is just meek acceptance on my part - it is what it is.

    • @maryapatterson
      @maryapatterson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're done!

    • @channelsixtysix066
      @channelsixtysix066 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@maryapatterson From now on, it will be: "That's Nice, Jago", or, "Uh Huh", or "Yes, Very Good".

    • @maryapatterson
      @maryapatterson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@channelsixtysix066 😆

    • @maryapatterson
      @maryapatterson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think, which only happens occasionally, its best that I nod!😁

  • @highpath4776
    @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting use of To Street, rather than Way Out - everytime I see that I think of an exit for Glastonbury

  • @18robsmith
    @18robsmith 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Mr.Hazzard. The constant naming and re-naming of London's stations is a process of great wonder to all who stand back and watch - your little diagram illustrates it all so well :-)

  • @brianartillery
    @brianartillery 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your diagram made everything crystal clear. Thank you. If you have no objections, I'd like to take a screen grab of it, print it out, and glue it next to the underground map of my current London A-Z, as an aide memoire, and pub argument settler. (When the world gets it's shit together, of course.) Cheers.

  • @stephenpegum9776
    @stephenpegum9776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think I'm correct in saying that the PO building you mentioned used to house the Postal Museum. I think I can (just !) remember a visit thereabouts 20 years ago.

  • @andyoncam1
    @andyoncam1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    And next to the site of the demolished old Post Office building is, of course, the wonderful 'Postman's Park'.

  • @stevebluesbury6206
    @stevebluesbury6206 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Another feast of complex history and geography served in your own inimitable style. Thank you. But... the other, often overlooked element of this channel is your band of equally witty, loyal and appreciative commentators. It’s almost like buy one get one free. Between your Luftwaffe town planning and comments about string theory and the map being upside down etc. I’ve laughed so much I’ve had to have a bit of a lie down. Keep it up Jago’s Army.

    • @JagoHazzard
      @JagoHazzard  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Indeed, I love the comments I get. Some of the best ideas have been from suggestions in the comments section.

    • @maryapatterson
      @maryapatterson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I worry that I like this channel far too much!
      I do not fit any stereotypes who is suppose to like this stuff, is far too thick to be a nerd or geek, allegedly doesn't like trains( isn't the tube a train Doreen?)and looks too forward to the next video...😚🤪😁

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      two of my ancestral uncles died. I was asked if I had instances of illness in the family, i said no, as the uncles had lead poisoning, did not help in WW1 that one of them happened to be flying an aircraft too at the time, the other was just out for a walk on a french field in 1917, the deer shooters could not have seen him in his camouflage. Unsurprisingly my grandfather deserted the army in 1918 having lost a brother and a cousin and claimed irish citizenship from his fathers line, having such in 1919 the british army were in no rush to re-equip him with arms.

  • @joncrawford3485
    @joncrawford3485 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    One of Jago's more technically accurate diagrams at 4:56. Although I've been told it's upside down.

    • @henkbarnard1553
      @henkbarnard1553 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It is not upside down. It is rotated 90 degrees

    • @cargy930
      @cargy930 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@henkbarnard1553 You're both wrong, It's been accidentally shown mirrored.

    • @henkbarnard1553
      @henkbarnard1553 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@cargy930 Oh you are right, I stand corrected

    • @andrewgwilliam4831
      @andrewgwilliam4831 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The poor quality of information in these comments is exactly why you should be wary of what you read online. In actual fact, the diagram is rotationally offset by 360 degrees.

    • @cargy930
      @cargy930 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@andrewgwilliam4831 Now, come on, we're simply going in circles here! :D

  • @1258-Eckhart
    @1258-Eckhart 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nobody dislikes your videos Jago, those are people who come home late at night rather the worse for wear and accidentally hit the wrong button.

  • @paulnewman7654
    @paulnewman7654 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Holborn Viaduct is a blast from the past. I started working in Holborn in 1986 and there were only 1 or 2 trains in the morning from my home station to Holborn Viaduct (most went to either Cannon St or Charing Cross). I don't ever recall it being particularly busy in those days sadly.

  • @ianhelps3749
    @ianhelps3749 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In Munich, Marienplatz S-bahn station has the west bound line stacked on top of the east bound line.

  • @LewisCollard
    @LewisCollard 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Alright, I hear you cry (not literally)" -- I like your narration as much as I like the interesting nuggets of Tube things I learn. Thanks for another great one!

  • @phobsdsr4326
    @phobsdsr4326 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is great, loved it! I’m under 40 but worked in Farringdon from 2002-2014 so this was very interesting to learn the history of the stations I commuted to and through as a lot of transformation occurred up until the late 90’s.
    Thanks for this one!

  • @MrFlyingguy
    @MrFlyingguy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "in the 1930's when the Luftwaffe were engaged in their own style of town planning"........ that putting it rather diplomatically and also why i watch you.. Effortlessly brilliant.

  • @DrewsRailwayWorld
    @DrewsRailwayWorld 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great, so glad there is consistency in the chaos, I guess Post Office Station has no relationship to the Post Office Railway? Cheers ...Drew

    • @JagoHazzard
      @JagoHazzard  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It doesn’t, but I do want to cover the Post Office railway some time.

  • @JoeyLeachLeg
    @JoeyLeachLeg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The platforms at Chancery Lane are stacked too and (if I remember correctly) stacked opposite to St Paul’s i.e. at CL the eastbound is on top of the westbound but at SP the westbound is on top of the eastbound. Does anyone know the reason for this???

    • @anthonyargyle5629
      @anthonyargyle5629 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The tunnels were built one above the other so that they remained under the public roadway, which curved at the west end of Chespside. The Central London Railway built the line on a downward gradient as the train leaves the station and an upward gradient as the train approaches a station. Whether the eastbound or the westbound would be on top would depend on which was more convenient when the line was built.
      These gradients can be seen at the end of platforms where the platform has been extended to allow longer trains. This does not apply at Holborn which was built in the 1930s at the bottom of the gradient.

    • @JoeyLeachLeg
      @JoeyLeachLeg 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anthonyargyle5629 Thanks, very interesting and something I’d wondered about for ages!

  • @chrislascelles1
    @chrislascelles1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Brilliant Jago - made me laugh out loud - thank you.

  • @PeterVerbeek
    @PeterVerbeek 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The video was so confusing but that diagram at the end made it clear as crystal. More of those, please.

  • @Steven_Rowe
    @Steven_Rowe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Jago you are one funny geezer.
    Luv yer week.
    Interesting as you said inthe video the Central line follows streets, the downside is sharp curves and sharp curves wears rails badly so this is a high maintenance line, kind of like my wife too.

    • @bentilbury2002
      @bentilbury2002 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What, she has sharp curves too?

    • @andrewgwilliam4831
      @andrewgwilliam4831 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bentilbury2002 She probably squeals a lot, too. TMI?

  • @LosWielebniakos
    @LosWielebniakos 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Let's start the work today 5:38 minutes later....

  • @stratford27
    @stratford27 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The diagram was a very helpful addition - thank. you.

  • @eisemanrenyardjake
    @eisemanrenyardjake 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Central Line through the City must have seemed more like a local high street, with a Bank and a Post Office just next to each other

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      and a Chancery Lane and a Museum. Such a twee place is London.

  • @Castlebank_Sidings
    @Castlebank_Sidings 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You forgot about the cathedral called St Pauls that one day might be called Ludgate Hill shopping center.

  • @2H80vids
    @2H80vids 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finding a photograph of a guy physically changing over the signage shows a certain dedication to your research - brilliant!! 👍👌😁

  • @ROCKINGMAN
    @ROCKINGMAN 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice mini film on the complications of St.Pauls stations. I have old undergrond maps with Post Office, which I always thought strange. A bit like naming a station Shop or Park as opposed to being more specific.
    Love the LT 'To Street' sign at 4:01. These had the same column design as the uplighters on the old wooden escaltors, which were common when I was a child.

  • @Whothem
    @Whothem 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the diagram, definitely helps to make sense of it all!

  • @janfluitsma8274
    @janfluitsma8274 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amsterdam has also a stacked tube station, De Pijp. This is also due to a small street. However, here the ground is so soft that for stations the only option was dig and cover. TBMs were used for the tunnels, after the ground was frozen first.

  • @GNTel313
    @GNTel313 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for that diagram at the end Jago . Pity you didn't have a similar diagram for your Charing Cross, Trafalgar Square, Embankment video. That would have also cleared things up 😉🤣🤣

  • @truckerallikatuk
    @truckerallikatuk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Perhaps there's confusion here between the Post Office station, and the underground Post Office railway which is sadly closed.

  • @SK_3PT1
    @SK_3PT1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    4:09 manument bonk lol

  • @dandandan389
    @dandandan389 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I live in the North and rarely visit London, I do find your videos fascinating still.

  • @randomchannelrandomvideos
    @randomchannelrandomvideos 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I passed City Thameslink on two different Thameslink services twice yesterday, but had no idea that station was back then called St Paul's. Thank you.

  • @2high83
    @2high83 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You used to be able to get onto this track behind Carphone Warehouse in Charlton (you're not supposed to) & there's a pillbox facing the river right next to the track just before it splits.

  • @bryansmith1920
    @bryansmith1920 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    On a serious note ?How did the PO connect the Mail of London to the Infamous John Betjemans Post Train

  • @CorvoFG
    @CorvoFG 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well that diagram certainly cleared things right up. Must have taken you ages!

    • @sirmeowthelibrarycat
      @sirmeowthelibrarycat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂 But it took longer than expected because of pencils needing urgent repairs. . . !

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sirmeowthelibrarycat Do you have any felt tips ? No- I should be so lucky.

  • @maxjjackson
    @maxjjackson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Having worked near Chancery Lane some years ago I knew about the St Pauls/Blackfriars name changes. I was totally expecting the story to include Mount Pleasant, the Royal Mail sorting office and to triumphantly conclude with story of the small post office underground line/spur below that area of Clerkenwell. Imagine my surprise when not a dicky bird was mentioned.
    Just how wrong are my memories of such Jago?

  • @mortallious1234
    @mortallious1234 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I'm working, honest.

  • @groupcaptainbonzo
    @groupcaptainbonzo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for the diagram. It was unbelievably useful 😆

  • @ve2vfd
    @ve2vfd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This comedy of confusion and renaming has a very Benny Hill chase scene feel to it.

  • @michaelaskew6025
    @michaelaskew6025 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The diagram certainly helped: It pushed me from confusion in to total insanity! Thanks! I'm a new subscriber too.

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Were you looking at that diagram askew?

  • @rogerdines6244
    @rogerdines6244 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone know when St. Paul's Central Line Station stopped saying 'for General Post Office', as it did when I was young (born 1947)?

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Presumably when the General Post Office Moved. Ironically for a 24 hour post office you had to go to Trafalgar Square - I used to tax my cars at 11:59PM there to save money

  • @protozero7
    @protozero7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    aaahhhh it's all clear as the river thames now....

  • @Phil6219
    @Phil6219 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Luftwaffe and their "town planning" got me chuckling, the summary of the names at the end got me laughing and the diagram outright killed me. Don't ever lose your wit mate ;)

  • @annstewart4731
    @annstewart4731 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great diagram! So unexpected I laughed.
    Great start to my day! Thank you.

  • @kimleechristensen2679
    @kimleechristensen2679 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Last diagram, explained alot about British humor, lol, love it.
    😂😂😂

  • @noondayx2011
    @noondayx2011 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Honestly was completely lost until you showed us the diagram, really cleared things up, thanks Jago ☺️

  • @iankemp1131
    @iankemp1131 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A Sir-Humphrey-style summary explanation at the end and I love the diagram - lol (genuinely). The people who were worried about vibration from the tubes had a point - the Central London's original 44-ton bogie locomotives had to be hurriedly replaced due to this, leading to the first multiple-unit trains. CLR tubes were quite close to the surface at stations, with gradients at either end to help acceleration and braking.

  • @raakone
    @raakone 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    City Thameslink was also going to be called Ludgate Circus at one time. Or linked to a station of that name, there are still provisions at one end for access to a Jubilee extension that was never built (the original planned "Fleet Street" route)

  • @dangerousandy
    @dangerousandy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What happened to the ‘Tales from the Tube’ introduction sequence?

    • @JagoHazzard
      @JagoHazzard  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It’s being reworked. I wasn’t entirely happy with it. It will probably return at some point.

    • @dangerousandy
      @dangerousandy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JagoHazzard ah excellent! I look forward to the revised introduction.

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JagoHazzard splice in some older stock footage.

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JagoHazzard Isnt Birmingham New Street Station near The Mailbox office building (should you ever consider doing a feature on the London and Birmingham Railway)

  • @stevebeal73
    @stevebeal73 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Back in the days of lettered telephone dials, you could ring up Post Office Headquarters by dialling HEA followed by the extension number eg HEA 1234. When STD was introduced this became, rather satisfyingly I think, 01 432 1234. In 1967, as a schoolboy in the autumn half term holiday, I attended the St Martins Le Grand building to take the Post Office Morse Test. In the day, this was an essential prerequisite for obtaining an Amateur Radio Transmitting licence. Anyway, I passed the test and have held my licence ever since. Nice video, as usual!

  • @no_one_of_that_name_here
    @no_one_of_that_name_here 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your channel has been promoted in our house from just me watching it in my phone to us watching it on the telly! Honestly, you should get a plaque for that, cause yours is the first youtube channel to get to go on the big screen.

  • @johnmartin1388
    @johnmartin1388 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The next sermon at Cathedral Matins will be taken from Jago's Epistle to St Paul's

  • @clickrick
    @clickrick 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That diagram should be available on T-shirts.

  • @onlycompetitions5083
    @onlycompetitions5083 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's what I like about Jago Hazzard videos, order from confusion.
    It's a bit like having a colour tube map printed in black and white.

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a few of them

  • @janscattergood7294
    @janscattergood7294 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    ..."while the luftwaffer were engaged in their own town planning." Very delicately put! Very interesting. Stay safe & take care all. x

  • @David-sv7by
    @David-sv7by 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If they built a Travelator or pedestrian subway between St.Paul's (Tube Station) and City Thameslink (National Rail Station) how long would it be ? Would it be a quick walk from platform to platform ? Just Curious.

    • @JagoHazzard
      @JagoHazzard  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I suspect a direct route, not having to worry about street crossings or stairs, would only take a couple of minutes.

  • @Beansontoast93911
    @Beansontoast93911 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Van Gogh didn't have anything on you with that sort of artwork beautiful

  • @KateRVN
    @KateRVN 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jago, your diagram was just perfect! That's how you've left my brain feeling after explaining about the station names. 😆🤣

  • @Andrewjg_89
    @Andrewjg_89 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think that Geoff Marshall or Londonist mentioned about Post Office station. Is Post Office station near to St. Paul’s and Holborn. And City Thameslink.

    • @JagoHazzard
      @JagoHazzard  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s a short walk from City Thameslink.

    • @Andrewjg_89
      @Andrewjg_89 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JagoHazzard Thought so. :)

  • @ricahrdb
    @ricahrdb 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is extraordinary how many stations (Tube or otherwise) they have managed to fit into a relatively small area like central London.

  • @martinross5521
    @martinross5521 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant Jago, love all the intellectual challenge of absorbing this one!