@@ManoloRibera070 What are you talking about 🤣 The guild is 500 members, that realm, mostly because of them, is so active it's insane. It's not easy to no life classic, it's a very repetitive game. There is an intense amount of nuance that even rank 1 retail players die repeatedly due to overconfidence in classic. That being said, Tyler is no newbie to repetition, man played thousands upon thousands of chess puzzles and cow games... He's actually kind of insane.
@@ManoloRibera070 i guarantee you there's at the very least somewhere between 20-40k people playing so that's some bs 😂 the servers are mostly labeled as full so thats probably underestimating the real number still
@@Birch19547 I get tyler played a lot of chess and basically brute forced his way up there but you don't mention that he averages like 2000+ games per league season which is a retharded amount in the grand scheme of things. The entirety of WoW classic is a KNOWLEDGE CHECK. I 100% believe if he really wanted to (he 100% wont because the game is boring as fuck) he could become a top parser and knowledge holder
I mean yeah talk shit on a player of 2 decades but your boi doesn't have shouts on his bar and thinks the only avenue for aoe dmg is a bad one with 0 ways to back it up. At least esfand knows the fundamentals, t1 is just new and making others pay for his mistakes
@@acrasiakz-mod3877 Tyler only died once though, Esfand can't play a game that he has played his whole life. He is competing for the most deaths in the guild.
@@acrasiakz-mod3877 He does have those shouts on his bars. He clicks them.... They are there are you blind? also when he goes to battle stance his F is a shout. Plus he's new and had 1 death at least they're there. Esfand has died like 7 times now? What point R u trying to make here? I say it again, Soda needs to focus on his boy esfand. Instead of t1. The guy needs help
He was right at the beginning. If you're playing HC with a new player, don't take any chances and just full clear. He was also right about prioritizing clearing the pack rather than completing the escort, because the stakes are too high. They should've brought in an experienced tank.
Very few experienced tanks in the guild at that level I believe. The choice is between doing it with no tank or getting a random tank that might intentionally get them all killed for content
@@ankoo439 All the great players must've been with other great players for an easier time. It left T1 with, let's face it, "the lesser half" of the curve. Ideally you have someone very experienced to offset the potential mistakes of the new player, but in reality they are playing with the other experienced players.
Yeah but you know these people's mentality. top 1% starts or nothing man. Let's not pretend you fugs even have the skills to do those, ya 2 bit wannabes. Just clear the goddamn dungeon.
@@danielo7985 And what exactly is your point in coming here talking about some "you WANT him to be a trump guy 🤓"? It is no secret that he is indifferent to politics, but, it's also no secret that he leans towards conservative.
@@DrowzyJif you know what you’re doing, dstance is important in every tanking rotation. You do not know what you’re talking about. At his level, the combo is to pool rage if possible on the previous pack and charge (tclap if u have excess rage) then sweeping strikes whirlwind and then switch to dstance to hold threat and prepare for the first taunt on the primary kill target. Dstance increases threat generation, also gives you access to revenge, the highest threat generating ability you have as a warrior. The only time you are switching to battle stance in classic if it’s not to mocking blow or sweeping strikes is on execute when you need to keep up with really geared dps warrior threat in raids.
@@dyskinesia6822 bro typed a paragraph just to say SS WW = threat. I swear classic Andy's want to make the game sound harder than what it is tell your DPS to wait WW demo you have enough threat for 90% of trash packs.
@@DrowzyJ you aren’t holding against any healer threat with demo lmfao. Go into zg and try what ur describing here just demoing a pack. You have to taunt on cd and tab sunder etc which requires DSTANCE. It’s not complicated and I’m not trying to make it complicated. But saying that it’s “harder to hold threat in dstance” have you even played this game before?
@@dyskinesia6822 bro why are you comparing 60 tanking to leveling as a arms warrior and tanking you won't be deep arms tanking at 60(and it still works for most dungeons then). I said WW demo shout you can do 90% of trash packs. Also you can SS if you really want. all the you have to do in classic to hold aggro is to dmg you.
I cant really blame him. I blame Sarthe and the others that knew better than to let a new player tank a dungeon without someone else in party that could off tank if turned sideways.
Nobody even taught him the basics of tanking, if you want tyler to tank a little that's fine, but where is the leader of the group guiding him a little bit, if someone told tyler to demo shout, he would've, same with the target dummy. This is not all T1's fault and poor Emiliya has to pay the price.
This is a 2 sided problem, usually its the tanks responsibility to also lead the group in vanilla because theyre the one doing the pulls unless you have an experienced hunter doing it for them so what happened is the new player is also tanking and leading here
@Vifts they knew tyler doesnt know how to tank and so you can't afterwards blame him for that, they had a long time to just explain him some basics, this was not the first group of the dungeon. Tyler is a gamer, he just has no idea what he is doing, if you give him some feedback, he will get good in no time.
Tyler refuses to learn and improve at the game. There’s been multitudes of people in call with him trying to help him improve at the game but the second Tyler starts hearing someone give him any advice, he screams at them and shuts them up telling them he doesn’t want any of it…
@@savatarx99 That is true to some extend, but he got way more keybinds than he had at the beginning, he did not want any addons and now he uses a few, thats a start. I feel like he is coming around and it would help if it's not a random person he doesn't know, maybe even someone he respects that gives him some feedback on how to play warrior. But in the end they knew Tyler doesn't know how to tank, he even told them, they said "its fine" and it wasn't. You can't fully pin that on Tyler and that comes from someone who doesn't play league, or even watches him really, I just started watching some Tyler and Grubby, cause it's super interesting to see that learning curve for them.
There is no basics of tanking at this level, you just dps. If he pushed whirlwind once or twice he would’ve had threat on everything. Dude doesn’t even move out of battle stance once, he doesnt even know how to dps on his warrior lol
God tyler being so completely and blatantly honest about everything giving his full review about stuff that I've thought about for literal years playing this game while he has the full spotlight of every single wow player brings tears to my eyes
@@RumelMarblenot only threat but learn what abilities do and how to use them in case of emergency. There were 3 on his healer, if he challenging > taunt > mocking blow > taunted them which he had at least 20 seconds of that healer jumping around she would’ve been fine. He should also make a ss > ww macro or at least know the combo. Not that much to ask of a new player if ur in hardcore and death is permanent. I like him playing without addons and stuff but u gotta come prepared. That being said, he should’ve never been tanking anyway
@ Well if people used their brain. Then they should know he comes from Runescape. He has only compared things from Runescape. There is no concept of tanking in Runescape and anyone can get attacked randomly in Runescape. The idea of "protect the healer" is in fact, not common sense in Runescape, it make no sense actually. In Runescape, macros = cheating. Instead of explaining this, people keep shouting "use macro = use cheats". Thats why he keeps calling them cheats. But instead people are just yelling random shit to him and not actually seeing it from his perspective. And even though he keeps responding the same way to things, people keep yelling the same advice from the same angle to him.
it does increase threat but he needs way more than just defensive stance he needs to stance dance for thunder clap and whirlwind as well and even that you will likely only hold 4 targets
@@TWEAKLET He would have been fine in defensive stance.. I don't get why people need to overcomplicate the easy stuff The guy ain't gonna be stance dancing his first time tanking, that much should have been clear to everyone who watched this. Defensive stance would have had him pick up a few more mobs here, and would have made things easier. If he was actually gonna pick up tanking, he should look more into how to play it.. But for the first couple of dungeons? Defensive stance would have made everything easier
@@Vradica cause warrior has no access to aoe in defensive stance you need to charge in and ww to agro 4 mobs in a pack anytime ww is up you generally want to swap to use it then go right black to spamming cleave in defensive stance only time you dont is on bosses one of the reasons people level as arms aside from its great aoe with sweeping strikes is stance dancing and far less hit penalty
They are too stupid to think in the moment of things he could do better only know how to hyper analyse the footage afterwards so they can pick out every little detail its actually so wild
Imma be honest they "should" make newplayers who are forced to tank watch a threat video before starting anything. Wow has been out for literall decades the stuff seasoned players know is taken for granted so much. Tyler made a good point guideing is seriously lacking. Veteran players need to take responcability. But the fact of the matter is still tyler is to blaim to am extent but he is not the singular reason for this. Be better next time.
Tyler was also right about the boy who cried wolf. He jokes so often that Tyler doesn't and can't know when it's actually serious. It's fine to joke around, but if you're gonna do this you should have a safe word. So people know when it's actually game on.
He is terrible at tanking, but they should have known better than to let a noob, who cant even switch stances, tank. “I dont use defensive stance”, as soon as he said that the other guy should have said: ”ok, then you are not tanking”
If it were me I would've advised having a second warrior or druid in the group as a safety net for tanking if things went wrong. I sucked tanking my first time and that didn't have perma death added in.
I love watching new people play. That death is 100% not his fault. They shouldn't have him tanking if he's saying he doesn't want to tank. He is still learning mechanics and should not be responsible for pulling aggro from the healer or anyone else. Just have him continue to learn his class.
I personally don't watch streamers and out of all onlyfangs the only people I know are names ive over heard over last 20 years like soda or esfand or people who make guide videos for current content So honestly I'm just a new outsider and opinion is irrelevant but the Rav story drew me in and now tyler1 is keeping me interested...kinda lame when people are so dismissive to players without hundreds of thousands of hours in wow Tyler is thrown into this shit with no knowledge and then at fault....won't ever have to play retail because he has already experienced the mythic + community in his own guild Tyler asked who the tank was before being told it was him at the first pull...no shit he's not going to be able to hold 7 mobs
Veteran players don't remember how hard it was for most of us to get used to keybindings, there are people who've been playing since 2004 who still refuse to use them. They definitely shouldn't have had such a new player tank though, idek what they were possibly thinking I would never get a new player to tank a classic dungeon for me..
3:02 right here is the moment he could have been a hero run to the center of the mobs challenging shout retaliate sweeping strike cleave spam till pack is gone while spamming tab if they should have taught him anything to prepare for this it should have been how to do that and they didn't
You need to keybind all your shit, Tyler. You have many abilities that could have massively helped this situation. If you refuse to bind abilities that can help a five man group, why would anyone let you tank a raid and get Thunderfury? Only tanks get priority on that sword.
As far as Soda talking aboout where his eyes are, I always wondered how top Mythic Raiders in retail could keep track of all the stuff on their UI's while avoiding/doing mechanics, yet clicking 3-4 buttons in Classic is supposed to make a person an immensely terrible player. I can see setting up complicated macros and tab targeting, but thinking players will turn into gods by binding every ability is more confusing than necessary. Like the one commenter said below, he should just put on a shield and use defensive stance as a new player and learn to tank that way. People thinking he's gonna jump into tanking with a 2-hander and do all kinds of stance dancing like Kungen is just silly on their part.
honestly I dont get why tyler is playing with these losers, soda hasn't been relevant for over 10 years and the dude is on the biggest power trip in his live with these wow streams
it's amazing to me how Soda understands that Tyler is new, but the Soda stans don't. Also despite understanding that Tyler is new he's awfully yappy on the vod reviews. I think it's time T1 does a Soda LoL vod review and return the favour.
exactly same, like being over level 40 on hardcore classic, never had played any other wow is really good. It's just the people like soda comparing to the vets
unironically could have chunked the giant pull with whirlwind and Cshout would have saved emily tyler would have gotten maybe down to a quarter hp but i doubt he would have died. bro has bis if he actually tried being a prot warrior he'd be goated
Fade only works if someone else has generated threat, and even then it wont work if the difference in threat is big. Noone had touched the mobs on her.
@@ankoo439 I'm a lv40 priest on new hc server. Those mobs have 5% dmg done to them, at the very least MOST of them would've lost aggro with an early fade, and if he wasn't kiting away they would've gotten more hits.
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for example like at : 6:22 he say tank issue, saying never skip a packs, then saying that was "DUMB" move 6:42 he whining he cant watch it, ? why, is it really painful to watch "dumb move" from new player and first time Tanking and First time in that dungeon ? i mean, Tyler is first time at everything in this, and judging from a scene only and, saying like "should do this, should do that, that was dumb" i mean, cmon, first time on everything and doing it in HC, Mistake is bound to happen, and you call Soda being extremely fair to judge like that ? EDIT: i could put more examples, but nah, dont wanna yapping too long Edit 2 : he said he could punish it with Mak'Gora, but didnt which im impressed
@@krisnayosep7121 Brother you have a illess called taking things too seriously, see a doctor. Again both at the start of the critique and at the end he said Tyler is new so you cant really fault him for that, other players should have known how to play better, not skipping packs for example and hopefully Tyler will learn the next time.
Most of Sodas criticism is fair, but yall gotta fucking understand, Tyler is playing wow for the first time ever, he died ONCE on 23 and he is like 43 now, he is performing better than 95% of Hardcore players and he's playing a warrior, warrior isnt hard hard but warrior mechanics are a little weird with stance dancing and everything and noone really taught him properly properly, i played wow my whole life so most of these mini mechanics the game doesnt tell you about come naturally to me right now, but Tyler is GENUINELY doing an amazing job, could he have done better? Sure, but he is doing amazing anyway. Rip Emilya bro that was just unfortunate as fuck.
I don't watch the guy so I don't know how much of it is an act but he keeps saying "this is the easiest game ever" and doesn't even attempt to understand anything. He will try to play the game the way he thinks it should be played (which as evidenced by his constant backpeddling and keyboard turning is usually wrong) and shout at anyone who tells him how to improve. So really I can't blame him for what happened there. He has said he has no interest in tanking, he has said he doesn't even have tank skills learned, and 4 people way more familiar with the game than him thought it was a good idea to put him in that role. It was a matter of time until something like this happened because they kept telling him it was fine that he's clueless rather than "no, you need to understand this"
You dont need def stance for your aoe taunt bind it outsode your def stance action bar so u can use it in battle stance as well. It's very usefull especially if u got retaliation, which u can only activate in battle stance anyway so u want aoe taunt accessable from within battle stance. Edit: this is HC wow if someone tells a new player he wont need def stance in a dungeon he's an idiot and u shouldn't listen to him. You will most likley not know how to build up threat reliably and will have to use taunt. So it's partially his fault, but still u should really learn to switch stances no offence. Makes leveling much more efficient to get a whirlwind out every now and then or to have damage reduction if needed.
sad thing is aoe taunt and retaliate would have saved the healer especially if he actually swapped to defensive for the extra threat during it and yeah ignoring whirlwind is nuts its one of your best threat generators in 5 man dungeon trash just dont use it on bosses or in raids while tanking
This is the only time I'll ever agree with a Kamala, although whoever's idea was to have T1 tank should be blamed the most. He's trash... He was hand held through every dungeon before this. They should've seen this coming.
whoever tried to forcefully complete the escort after that first pull is to blame one pack at a time is easy even if your tank is tanking nothing one of the best dungeon comps for leveling is either all caster with pally tank and a healer or all arms warriors and one healer both dont bother trying to keep agro on tank for packs the first the tank is there to group the pack the second the tank doesn't exist granted you need to trust your group for both
wtf is threat - tyler what in the bloody hell were they doing in rfd with tyler tanking?? should have took him to rfc or something to explain the mechanics lmfao soda is right even though he is brutal or says something that tyler doesnt agree with
Someone gotta explain macros aint cheating and get him some stance macros. He don't use stances he said. No reason not to with the macros. Fundamental to wow warrior
Use Whirl Wind and Demo Shout you Ape. Your 1 job as a tank is to do enough AoE threat to keep the mobs off the healer. Warriors in Classic are "OK" at doing this vs 4 mobs... but all they have to work with is Demo-Shout... Thunderclap... and WW. You will notice that all the packs in the game are nicely about 4-5 Mobs specifically for this reason. Bear Druid Tanks have a similar thing going on with SWIPE. Only Paladin can well hold agro on infinite Mobs. Heck shaman tanks hold agro on about 4 mobs with Chain light and Earth Shock. I often have to tell new warriors in Classic... even at level 50+... to Charge in... Demo-Shout... Thrunder Clap or WW. Or I... as the healer... literally cannot heal them. Much Love Brother.
What is my problem, leveling so so fucking slow in classic, you flying for years walking for years, if I play a new game, and I got a new ability, I read it try it etc, new to the game? is a really weak excuses He played more this game, than I played elden ring when I first cleared every boss, which I was new to, and I'm not parade myself of the pinnacle of gaming...
I Honestly never watched Tyler, thought he is just another dumb loud obnoxious streamer. Tyler im sorry i was wrong, and im exited for not just your progress but also the Moment you mag´ko soda in 4-5 months and just destroy him. I see greatness in you. They are great at one game, you are really good at multiple. once you don't need to check in stressed situations how to get out but already know it you will take this over. Day by Day you get closer to their level, but they aren't progressing, they play this shit since 2005, you are on a learning curve and if you dont stop when you are at their level you will surpass them. But dont get cocky, this is classic, in retail they are ahead again.
It’s difficult to determine what’s a credible source. Chat troll spamming, and randoms walking up to him, he can’t take those advice. He listens to others more genuine credible sources tho. The ego is just his persona.
At first he was refusing. His first character he just wanted to play the game without being backseated. After he died he downloaded addons and bound strafing to a and d. obviously learning from others off stream
to be fair, there's like a million things to learn, and everyone is telling him to learn this or that, where some of them are just wrong, so he's taking his time to learn little by little
play retail. get rank 1. Stop playing the easiest version of the MMO. You are smaller than nothing playing classic. you are POND SCUM. anybody can do this.
Soda is treating t1 like a wow vet lol. The criticism is harsh, he’s expected peak gameplay from a new player coming from league lol. Meanwhile Esfand can’t get to lvl 20 and that’s okay. Poor T1, his shit talk has made everyone including soda want to see him lose
@youdontknowmegigna I mean not really. It'll be slow but you can literally babystep it to 60 lol. I've seen alot of ppl play that way since they're so scared of dying
Soda better be careful. Tyler the type of mf to no life a game till he's in the top 0.01%💀
in classic sounds easy, because the guild alone already takes up 80% of the population
@@ManoloRibera070 What are you talking about 🤣 The guild is 500 members, that realm, mostly because of them, is so active it's insane.
It's not easy to no life classic, it's a very repetitive game. There is an intense amount of nuance that even rank 1 retail players die repeatedly due to overconfidence in classic.
That being said, Tyler is no newbie to repetition, man played thousands upon thousands of chess puzzles and cow games... He's actually kind of insane.
@@ManoloRibera070 i guarantee you there's at the very least somewhere between 20-40k people playing so that's some bs 😂 the servers are mostly labeled as full so thats probably underestimating the real number still
It might take a while 😂
@@Birch19547 I get tyler played a lot of chess and basically brute forced his way up there but you don't mention that he averages like 2000+ games per league season which is a retharded amount in the grand scheme of things. The entirety of WoW classic is a KNOWLEDGE CHECK. I 100% believe if he really wanted to (he 100% wont because the game is boring as fuck) he could become a top parser and knowledge holder
Maybe Emilya did not want to die but that was a sacrifice Tyler was willing to make.
Great reference
@@Kirtap157 It's lord Farquaad right?
Sodapoppin needs to focus on his boy Esfand
Esfand is a lost cause soda already tried last year stoppin esfand from playing paladin but the dude won"t listen
@@Zed-cb8yz Yepp. From hero to zero. R.I.P Bozo
I mean yeah talk shit on a player of 2 decades but your boi doesn't have shouts on his bar and thinks the only avenue for aoe dmg is a bad one with 0 ways to back it up. At least esfand knows the fundamentals, t1 is just new and making others pay for his mistakes
@@acrasiakz-mod3877 Tyler only died once though, Esfand can't play a game that he has played his whole life. He is competing for the most deaths in the guild.
@@acrasiakz-mod3877 He does have those shouts on his bars. He clicks them.... They are there are you blind? also when he goes to battle stance his F is a shout. Plus he's new and had 1 death at least they're there. Esfand has died like 7 times now? What point R u trying to make here?
I say it again, Soda needs to focus on his boy esfand. Instead of t1. The guy needs help
He was right at the beginning. If you're playing HC with a new player, don't take any chances and just full clear. He was also right about prioritizing clearing the pack rather than completing the escort, because the stakes are too high. They should've brought in an experienced tank.
I agree, clear all packs and use an experienced tank
Very few experienced tanks in the guild at that level I believe. The choice is between doing it with no tank or getting a random tank that might intentionally get them all killed for content
They should have also brought a lead that was not a reckless troll or just bad.
@@ankoo439 All the great players must've been with other great players for an easier time. It left T1 with, let's face it, "the lesser half" of the curve. Ideally you have someone very experienced to offset the potential mistakes of the new player, but in reality they are playing with the other experienced players.
Yeah but you know these people's mentality. top 1% starts or nothing man. Let's not pretend you fugs even have the skills to do those, ya 2 bit wannabes.
Just clear the goddamn dungeon.
Kamala Poppins lmao
Tonka definitely voted trump lmao
@@David-vk5svStop projecting, it's because of the Alex Bones guy. He's been apathetic to politics for YEARS.
You WANT him to be a trump guy
@@danielo7985 And what exactly is your point in coming here talking about some "you WANT him to be a trump guy 🤓"? It is no secret that he is indifferent to politics, but, it's also no secret that he leans towards conservative.
@@danielo7985 bro shut up nobody cares
@@danielo7985 If you were a real T1 fan, you would know his politics align with those from the 1920s Germany.
everyone is so mean to TT, bullying my precious sweetums tyler
It's a little harsh to a new player lmao
If only Plove was there 💪
@@adblockonly4548 not even its hardcore and Tyler has to evolve or hes gonna suck at 60
@@whoopsie321 I mean, he literally is learning.
Tyler1 and sodapoppin are both in the trash talking end of the gaming spectrum
when your tank says "guys i don't use defensive stance" maybe take it easy lol
What's funny about that is it makes him sound like a better player in classic you rarely ever tank in defensive stance it's harder to hold threat.
@@DrowzyJif you know what you’re doing, dstance is important in every tanking rotation. You do not know what you’re talking about. At his level, the combo is to pool rage if possible on the previous pack and charge (tclap if u have excess rage) then sweeping strikes whirlwind and then switch to dstance to hold threat and prepare for the first taunt on the primary kill target. Dstance increases threat generation, also gives you access to revenge, the highest threat generating ability you have as a warrior. The only time you are switching to battle stance in classic if it’s not to mocking blow or sweeping strikes is on execute when you need to keep up with really geared dps warrior threat in raids.
@@dyskinesia6822 bro typed a paragraph just to say SS WW = threat. I swear classic Andy's want to make the game sound harder than what it is tell your DPS to wait WW demo you have enough threat for 90% of trash packs.
@@DrowzyJ you aren’t holding against any healer threat with demo lmfao. Go into zg and try what ur describing here just demoing a pack. You have to taunt on cd and tab sunder etc which requires DSTANCE. It’s not complicated and I’m not trying to make it complicated. But saying that it’s “harder to hold threat in dstance” have you even played this game before?
@@dyskinesia6822 bro why are you comparing 60 tanking to leveling as a arms warrior and tanking you won't be deep arms tanking at 60(and it still works for most dungeons then). I said WW demo shout you can do 90% of trash packs. Also you can SS if you really want. all the you have to do in classic to hold aggro is to dmg you.
I cant really blame him. I blame Sarthe and the others that knew better than to let a new player tank a dungeon without someone else in party that could off tank if turned sideways.
Nobody even taught him the basics of tanking, if you want tyler to tank a little that's fine, but where is the leader of the group guiding him a little bit, if someone told tyler to demo shout, he would've, same with the target dummy. This is not all T1's fault and poor Emiliya has to pay the price.
This is a 2 sided problem, usually its the tanks responsibility to also lead the group in vanilla because theyre the one doing the pulls unless you have an experienced hunter doing it for them so what happened is the new player is also tanking and leading here
@Vifts they knew tyler doesnt know how to tank and so you can't afterwards blame him for that, they had a long time to just explain him some basics, this was not the first group of the dungeon. Tyler is a gamer, he just has no idea what he is doing, if you give him some feedback, he will get good in no time.
Tyler refuses to learn and improve at the game. There’s been multitudes of people in call with him trying to help him improve at the game but the second Tyler starts hearing someone give him any advice, he screams at them and shuts them up telling them he doesn’t want any of it…
@@savatarx99 That is true to some extend, but he got way more keybinds than he had at the beginning, he did not want any addons and now he uses a few, thats a start.
I feel like he is coming around and it would help if it's not a random person he doesn't know, maybe even someone he respects that gives him some feedback on how to play warrior.
But in the end they knew Tyler doesn't know how to tank, he even told them, they said "its fine" and it wasn't. You can't fully pin that on Tyler and that comes from someone who doesn't play league, or even watches him really, I just started watching some Tyler and Grubby, cause it's super interesting to see that learning curve for them.
There is no basics of tanking at this level, you just dps. If he pushed whirlwind once or twice he would’ve had threat on everything. Dude doesn’t even move out of battle stance once, he doesnt even know how to dps on his warrior lol
God tyler being so completely and blatantly honest about everything giving his full review about stuff that I've thought about for literal years playing this game while he has the full spotlight of every single wow player brings tears to my eyes
You need some punctuation in there.
Number 1 rule to tanking, keep the enemies off the healer
no rule #1 is to learn what threat is. you people dont even know where hes at and not like it matters
@@RumelMarblewtf was the point of this comment lmao schiz behavior
@@RumelMarblenot only threat but learn what abilities do and how to use them in case of emergency. There were 3 on his healer, if he challenging > taunt > mocking blow > taunted them which he had at least 20 seconds of that healer jumping around she would’ve been fine. He should also make a ss > ww macro or at least know the combo. Not that much to ask of a new player if ur in hardcore and death is permanent. I like him playing without addons and stuff but u gotta come prepared. That being said, he should’ve never been tanking anyway
@ Well if people used their brain. Then they should know he comes from Runescape. He has only compared things from Runescape. There is no concept of tanking in Runescape and anyone can get attacked randomly in Runescape. The idea of "protect the healer" is in fact, not common sense in Runescape, it make no sense actually. In Runescape, macros = cheating. Instead of explaining this, people keep shouting "use macro = use cheats". Thats why he keeps calling them cheats. But instead people are just yelling random shit to him and not actually seeing it from his perspective. And even though he keeps responding the same way to things, people keep yelling the same advice from the same angle to him.
@@RumelMarble lol, did someone say something bad about your hero?
The first time tank should just have been told that using defensive stance makes threat generation so much easier for new players
it does increase threat but he needs way more than just defensive stance he needs to stance dance for thunder clap and whirlwind as well and even that you will likely only hold 4 targets
@@TWEAKLET He would have been fine in defensive stance.. I don't get why people need to overcomplicate the easy stuff
The guy ain't gonna be stance dancing his first time tanking, that much should have been clear to everyone who watched this. Defensive stance would have had him pick up a few more mobs here, and would have made things easier.
If he was actually gonna pick up tanking, he should look more into how to play it.. But for the first couple of dungeons? Defensive stance would have made everything easier
@@Vradica cause warrior has no access to aoe in defensive stance you need to charge in and ww to agro 4 mobs in a pack anytime ww is up you generally want to swap to use it then go right black to spamming cleave in defensive stance only time you dont is on bosses one of the reasons people level as arms aside from its great aoe with sweeping strikes is stance dancing and far less hit penalty
I never skip packs, just like I never skip krugs 😎
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For those who disagree: It's not just about exp, it's about safety.
Vets playing with a noob and not teaching him 😂 then being mad the noob is bad??? Tyler sucks but he’s not being taught better.
They are too stupid to think in the moment of things he could do better only know how to hyper analyse the footage afterwards so they can pick out every little detail its actually so wild
he even said himself and warned them he never tanked before this is all on the players who made him tank it.
he refuses to take advice lol
@@benjycompson7388that's not true, he'll make a deal of it but it's just theatrics
Yet in their defense. Tyler starts screaming half the time he gets told something new. Because he claims he doesnt need it or doesnt like change.
He just knows a snowball effect happens when t1 hits 60 and quits, players will slowly drop, so he's just praying t1 dies and restarts.
Lets have T1 watch Soda bronze level games in League xD
Fr soda thinks he has a phd in gaming but is only good at wow
They really had T1 tank a lvl 40 dungeon without even ever explaining wtf threat is in the game, great job guys.
In tylers' defense, he shouldn't have been the one to tank. it's easy to point out all of these mistakes because he's never tanked before.
Imma be honest they "should" make newplayers who are forced to tank watch a threat video before starting anything. Wow has been out for literall decades the stuff seasoned players know is taken for granted so much. Tyler made a good point guideing is seriously lacking. Veteran players need to take responcability.
But the fact of the matter is still tyler is to blaim to am extent but he is not the singular reason for this.
Be better next time.
Tyler was also right about the boy who cried wolf. He jokes so often that Tyler doesn't and can't know when it's actually serious. It's fine to joke around, but if you're gonna do this you should have a safe word. So people know when it's actually game on.
He is terrible at tanking, but they should have known better than to let a noob, who cant even switch stances, tank. “I dont use defensive stance”, as soon as he said that the other guy should have said: ”ok, then you are not tanking”
they shouldn't have made him tank in the first place, cause he's never tanked.
Just FYI they had the casting and autoing debuff on. That's why it took so long for him to attack.
If it were me I would've advised having a second warrior or druid in the group as a safety net for tanking if things went wrong. I sucked tanking my first time and that didn't have perma death added in.
1:50 tyler had 1 mob on him haha
this gameplay made sodas chat "uncomfortable" and "scared" lmao
I love watching new people play.
That death is 100% not his fault. They shouldn't have him tanking if he's saying he doesn't want to tank. He is still learning mechanics and should not be responsible for pulling aggro from the healer or anyone else. Just have him continue to learn his class.
I was angry with tyler until he said ''wtf is threat?'' and it all makes sense
I personally don't watch streamers and out of all onlyfangs the only people I know are names ive over heard over last 20 years like soda or esfand or people who make guide videos for current content
So honestly I'm just a new outsider and opinion is irrelevant but the Rav story drew me in and now tyler1 is keeping me interested...kinda lame when people are so dismissive to players without hundreds of thousands of hours in wow
Tyler is thrown into this shit with no knowledge and then at fault....won't ever have to play retail because he has already experienced the mythic + community in his own guild
Tyler asked who the tank was before being told it was him at the first pull...no shit he's not going to be able to hold 7 mobs
Veteran players don't remember how hard it was for most of us to get used to keybindings, there are people who've been playing since 2004 who still refuse to use them. They definitely shouldn't have had such a new player tank though, idek what they were possibly thinking I would never get a new player to tank a classic dungeon for me..
Soda is literally playing with a pocket priest the whole game, uses the ah and has the audacity to criticize anyone (especially a new player)
I blame Sarthe on this 100%, hes lucky everyone is just farmign content nad blmaing tyler for the gigles
Confidently embracing your greatness is like a fricken superpower. This dude keeps climbing man.
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3:02 right here is the moment he could have been a hero run to the center of the mobs challenging shout retaliate sweeping strike cleave spam till pack is gone while spamming tab if they should have taught him anything to prepare for this it should have been how to do that and they didn't
Whoever told him Thunderclap generates high threat shouldn't be giving WoW tips.
Tyler needs to put a startattack command to his skills. just that
Exactly on every ability he uses to make damage it's insane no one told or explained this to him yet.
You need to keybind all your shit, Tyler. You have many abilities that could have massively helped this situation. If you refuse to bind abilities that can help a five man group, why would anyone let you tank a raid and get Thunderfury? Only tanks get priority on that sword.
As far as Soda talking aboout where his eyes are, I always wondered how top Mythic Raiders in retail could keep track of all the stuff on their UI's while avoiding/doing mechanics, yet clicking 3-4 buttons in Classic is supposed to make a person an immensely terrible player.
I can see setting up complicated macros and tab targeting, but thinking players will turn into gods by binding every ability is more confusing than necessary.
Like the one commenter said below, he should just put on a shield and use defensive stance as a new player and learn to tank that way. People thinking he's gonna jump into tanking with a 2-hander and do all kinds of stance dancing like Kungen is just silly on their part.
honestly I dont get why tyler is playing with these losers, soda hasn't been relevant for over 10 years and the dude is on the biggest power trip in his live with these wow streams
Tyler1, never stop yelling, its therapeutical
it's amazing to me how Soda understands that Tyler is new, but the Soda stans don't. Also despite understanding that Tyler is new he's awfully yappy on the vod reviews.
I think it's time T1 does a Soda LoL vod review and return the favour.
As a near 20 year Vet of the game, T1 is doing great, im actually kind of impressed his quickly he's picking it up
exactly same, like being over level 40 on hardcore classic, never had played any other wow is really good. It's just the people like soda comparing to the vets
It’s not in the tool tip 😂 bro has an entire chat tool tip
Someone should tell him that taunt is basically galio w.
its funny because no one ever used macros or keybinds months after the game released
Not his fault. Spend 10 minutes making sure he knows what to do first.
when you group with T1 its 100% on you if you die
He meant unforch that the healer died
challenging shout not even in his bars is too based
unironically could have chunked the giant pull with whirlwind and Cshout would have saved emily tyler would have gotten maybe down to a quarter hp but i doubt he would have died. bro has bis if he actually tried being a prot warrior he'd be goated
why is random ass sodapopin teaching tonkaT how to play WoW how would he know anything...
He didn't use Fade? Fight was long enough to use it twice? Deserved.
Fade only works if someone else has generated threat, and even then it wont work if the difference in threat is big. Noone had touched the mobs on her.
@@ankoo439 I'm a lv40 priest on new hc server. Those mobs have 5% dmg done to them, at the very least MOST of them would've lost aggro with an early fade, and if he wasn't kiting away they would've gotten more hits.
whirlwind, retaliation, challenging shout. would've saved the raid.
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A gym-bro dissing the lack of academic integrity of a tooltip is pretty rad
tbf, soda didnt quite fair at judging, he compare New Player experience with his standarts
yeah hes either dumb af when it comes to observing others or trying too hard for content
Wdym? He told what they should have done but didnt fault Tyler for not knowing or not being good enough because he is new. How is that unfair?
He was extremely fair. No idea what you on about.
for example like at :
6:22 he say tank issue, saying never skip a packs, then saying that was "DUMB" move
6:42 he whining he cant watch it, ? why, is it really painful to watch "dumb move" from new player and first time Tanking and First time in that dungeon ?
i mean, Tyler is first time at everything in this, and judging from a scene only and, saying like
"should do this, should do that, that was dumb"
i mean, cmon, first time on everything and doing it in HC, Mistake is bound to happen, and you call Soda being extremely fair to judge like that ?
EDIT: i could put more examples, but nah, dont wanna yapping too long
Edit 2 : he said he could punish it with Mak'Gora, but didnt which im impressed
@@krisnayosep7121 Brother you have a illess called taking things too seriously, see a doctor. Again both at the start of the critique and at the end he said Tyler is new so you cant really fault him for that, other players should have known how to play better, not skipping packs for example and hopefully Tyler will learn the next time.
yo, he is learning fast tho. this is chess all over again.
I dont understand why he doesn’t have a better Mic…
Most of Sodas criticism is fair, but yall gotta fucking understand, Tyler is playing wow for the first time ever, he died ONCE on 23 and he is like 43 now, he is performing better than 95% of Hardcore players and he's playing a warrior, warrior isnt hard hard but warrior mechanics are a little weird with stance dancing and everything and noone really taught him properly properly, i played wow my whole life so most of these mini mechanics the game doesnt tell you about come naturally to me right now, but Tyler is GENUINELY doing an amazing job, could he have done better? Sure, but he is doing amazing anyway.
Rip Emilya bro that was just unfortunate as fuck.
I don't watch the guy so I don't know how much of it is an act but he keeps saying "this is the easiest game ever" and doesn't even attempt to understand anything. He will try to play the game the way he thinks it should be played (which as evidenced by his constant backpeddling and keyboard turning is usually wrong) and shout at anyone who tells him how to improve.
So really I can't blame him for what happened there. He has said he has no interest in tanking, he has said he doesn't even have tank skills learned, and 4 people way more familiar with the game than him thought it was a good idea to put him in that role. It was a matter of time until something like this happened because they kept telling him it was fine that he's clueless rather than "no, you need to understand this"
@@Claudekrhe doesnt say its the easiest game ever, he just criticises wow players for acting like the game is hard
Party leader definitely under sold it
YOU CAN'T ASK TYLER TO AOE TAUNT HE DOESN'T WANT TO DIE!!!!
It's no xp, this XP model is not the same like on the regular classic servers...
Daniels at it again
Lmao
You dont need def stance for your aoe taunt bind it outsode your def stance action bar so u can use it in battle stance as well. It's very usefull especially if u got retaliation, which u can only activate in battle stance anyway so u want aoe taunt accessable from within battle stance.
Edit: this is HC wow if someone tells a new player he wont need def stance in a dungeon he's an idiot and u shouldn't listen to him. You will most likley not know how to build up threat reliably and will have to use taunt. So it's partially his fault, but still u should really learn to switch stances no offence. Makes leveling much more efficient to get a whirlwind out every now and then or to have damage reduction if needed.
sad thing is aoe taunt and retaliate would have saved the healer especially if he actually swapped to defensive for the extra threat during it and yeah ignoring whirlwind is nuts its one of your best threat generators in 5 man dungeon trash just dont use it on bosses or in raids while tanking
Tyler1 is gonna kill Soda for leader... crazy
ok he doesn't know about threat that is bad
This is the only time I'll ever agree with a Kamala, although whoever's idea was to have T1 tank should be blamed the most. He's trash... He was hand held through every dungeon before this. They should've seen this coming.
whoever tried to forcefully complete the escort after that first pull is to blame one pack at a time is easy even if your tank is tanking nothing one of the best dungeon comps for leveling is either all caster with pally tank and a healer or all arms warriors and one healer both dont bother trying to keep agro on tank for packs the first the tank is there to group the pack the second the tank doesn't exist granted you need to trust your group for both
As someone who has played wow for half their life I think it’s pretty obvious that T1 and all the other OnlyFang noobs are doing an amazing job.
whatever is going on between sodapoppin and that girl is weird as fuck, seriously
wtf is threat - tyler
what in the bloody hell were they doing in rfd with tyler tanking??
should have took him to rfc or something to explain the mechanics lmfao
soda is right even though he is brutal or says something that tyler doesnt agree with
Someone gotta explain macros aint cheating and get him some stance macros. He don't use stances he said. No reason not to with the macros. Fundamental to wow warrior
Yea T1 is new and did not do a great job... but honestly the dps also sucked and let her die.
I hope TT can get better and stop int'ing.
i like all your vids when soda not in em bruh
everytime he speaks its cringe
Glad you liked the video 💪
Use Whirl Wind and Demo Shout you Ape.
Your 1 job as a tank is to do enough AoE threat to keep the mobs off the healer. Warriors in Classic are "OK" at doing this vs 4 mobs... but all they have to work with is Demo-Shout... Thunderclap... and WW.
You will notice that all the packs in the game are nicely about 4-5 Mobs specifically for this reason. Bear Druid Tanks have a similar thing going on with SWIPE. Only Paladin can well hold agro on infinite Mobs. Heck shaman tanks hold agro on about 4 mobs with Chain light and Earth Shock.
I often have to tell new warriors in Classic... even at level 50+... to Charge in... Demo-Shout... Thrunder Clap or WW. Or I... as the healer... literally cannot heal them.
Much Love Brother.
Tyler absolutely did terrible in this fight, no doubt about it.
Is really a lol boys thing to blame others about your own fails
T1 Only reason i watch this mess. He is entertaining always.
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What is my problem, leveling so so fucking slow in classic, you flying for years walking for years, if I play a new game, and I got a new ability, I read it try it etc, new to the game? is a really weak excuses
He played more this game, than I played elden ring when I first cleared every boss, which I was new to, and I'm not parade myself of the pinnacle of gaming...
To answer Tyler’s question yes soda is stupid
This RP shit is the most DNA altering cringe they could come up with.
Had Warstomp and Fear, could have saved her twice
They're fear immune, but still could have challenging shout and health potted to give emillya a chance to get a heal off.
@@jamiechatmanhe Warstomp isnt a fear
@@jamiechatmanhe Yeah challenge shout, something, even taking aggro properly lol
why are they so mean to each other lmfao
I Honestly never watched Tyler, thought he is just another dumb loud obnoxious streamer.
Tyler im sorry i was wrong, and im exited for not just your progress but also the Moment you mag´ko soda in 4-5 months and just destroy him.
I see greatness in you.
They are great at one game, you are really good at multiple. once you don't need to check in stressed situations how to get out but already know it you will take this over.
Day by Day you get closer to their level, but they aren't progressing, they play this shit since 2005, you are on a learning curve and if you dont stop when you are at their level you will surpass them.
But dont get cocky, this is classic, in retail they are ahead again.
would rather be stuck playing league than ever try WOW again ppl dont understand that WOW is not new player friendly just like league
The problem is, he REFUSES to learn. People give him genuine advice and he just refuses to listen to anyone else because of his ego
It’s difficult to determine what’s a credible source. Chat troll spamming, and randoms walking up to him, he can’t take those advice. He listens to others more genuine credible sources tho. The ego is just his persona.
Advice "Amm akchually 🤓👆 you shud already know how to play this game 100% perfect" is not an advice, rather attempt to ego boost for those sweats.
At first he was refusing. His first character he just wanted to play the game without being backseated. After he died he downloaded addons and bound strafing to a and d. obviously learning from others off stream
@RyanLesNOVAL Just a few days ago a warrior from the guild offered to teach him the ropes and he just flat out told him to fuck off XD
to be fair, there's like a million things to learn, and everyone is telling him to learn this or that, where some of them are just wrong, so he's taking his time to learn little by little
I just want to see t1 after a couple months, will be nasty
I guess some sweats forget that not everyone know this game inside out. Tyler's been playing for 2 weeks...
soda so cringe these days its painful
play retail. get rank 1. Stop playing the easiest version of the MMO. You are smaller than nothing playing classic. you are POND SCUM. anybody can do this.
Welcome to WoW community... perfect plays expected on your first time or toxic ensue.
Word to the wise, let the escort engage in combat before you do. u can pull aggro. they may not stop walking unless they start combat tho....
Soda is treating t1 like a wow vet lol. The criticism is harsh, he’s expected peak gameplay from a new player coming from league lol. Meanwhile Esfand can’t get to lvl 20 and that’s okay. Poor T1, his shit talk has made everyone including soda want to see him lose
Kamala poppins? 😂
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if HE wasnt a fake ass mute HE could have told tyler to get the mobs off HIM quicker.
"I'm new. It's baby steps."
That's generally correct. But you're playing hardcore. No baby steps.
@youdontknowmegigna I mean not really. It'll be slow but you can literally babystep it to 60 lol. I've seen alot of ppl play that way since they're so scared of dying
yo this aint a clip 😂
tyler is sooooooooooooooooooooo funny