I remember Virginia Graham and her two talk programs, this one and its predecessor, Girl Talk. They aired during the '60s and early '70s on TV stations owned by RKO General. It aired in the Boston area on weekday mornings on their old Channel 7, WNAC-TV, back when they were an ABC affiliate.
"Girl Talk" had been syndicated by ABC Films, and in New York aired on WABC Channel 7. After Miss Graham left in 1969, the producers replaced her with actress and onetime "I've Got A Secret" panelist Betsy Palmer; the show only lasted for one more year. I do seem to remember, from old New York Metro TV Guides, "The Virginia Graham Show" airing on WOR Channel 9.
Virginia Graham was a good person and extraordinarily funny and entertaining. On this topic, however, like so many people of her era, she was tragically and dangerously ignorant. At least she allowed the topic on her show and she was open to audience members voicing opinions so contrary to her own (and three cheers for June Lockhart)!
My mother was very good friends with Virginia going back to the mid 70's. She was quite extraordinary, funny, larger than life. I spent a lot of time with her. She was certainly a product of her time but she did have many gay and lesbian friends. This was filmed before I met her. Seems to me that by the time I got to know her her views softened. June Lockhart is a treasure!
Bull a good person would not display her ignorance and homophobia on national television. A good person would never say or believe homosexuality can be cured, or that gays will destroy civilization.
What fascinating footage, and historically impactful as well. This is one of those occasions where things truly benefit from the lack of what you later get with bilge like the Bill Maher shows where he and others often need to try to pop in with wisecracks and one-liners for the audience to lap up. This is a tough conversation all around and they aren't trying to be anything else. Some of the terminology isn't quite what they would be today, but honestly you still have these types of conversations in many places now - some things never change. Nice to see June Lockhart.
Stumbled on to this. What a find. I don’t know much about Virginia G but was surprised she was so closed minded. On the other hand, the minister is incredibly articulate and really on point. The comedian and June Lockhart are open minded and calling out VG’s bigoted view point.
First of all, she had to present a the decent because it was illegal to show homosexuality in a favorable light in media until 1970. The fact that she even had this on her show showed she was a supporter.. In case you didn't know congress passed a law making it illegal to show heavy people in an attractive light, homosexuality or androgynous people in a positive light after the market crash of 29. People were furious with congress. Congress however blamed lose morality and God's reckoning on the crash. They paid newspapers and Hollywood to only show the iconic views they became famous for and they paid shrinks to change to change the medical books from masterbation being a sign of mental re- card- a- tion. (Google censors) and homosexuality the characteristic of the most creative artistic people, to a mental illness. This law was to last for 40 years. Hence why the sexual revolution happened in the 70s. Because the law had ended. In order for her to have this topic on her show in the 60s she had to voice against it. You also missed her point. She wasn't anti gay. She was anti segregation. Against separating people from the church.
One irony in all this - the show she had been on up to that time, "Petticoat Junction," had been cancelled, and CBS put in its old time slot a new series called the "Mary Tyler Moore" show where, in its first five seasons, one of the co-stars was Cloris Leachman as her eccentric landlady Phyllis Lindstrom. The irony? 12 years before, Miss Leachman had been replaced as the mom on "Timmy and Lassie" by Miss Lockhart. Now, in 1970, turnabout was fair play, with a show featuring Miss Lockhart being replaced on the CBS schedule with a new show featuring Miss Leachman. Even Billy Mumy of "Lost In Space" said Miss Lockhart was far "wilder" than her strait-laced persona as exemplified in the roles she played on TV would suggest, and once recalled a time she took him to - gasp! - a rock concert.
@@wmbrown6 Yes i also remember her on Lost in Space and i seen her daughter Ann on many shows in the 70s and 80s Battle Star Galaxical ,Knight Rider,Logan run,and Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys
@@coreylevine8095 Not really. Homosexuals are still facing the same discriminations as described in this clip. People are still as ignorant and dismissive as Graham. You're hearing the same rhetoric Virginia is spewing here. It is getting better- there's less Virginias in the world today.
You could never say `orgasm` on the VG or `virgin` etc. I was on the shows late Sixties. This may have spurred use in `Down With Myth America` Sandra Shevey NYTimes 24 May 1970 of the words `shackling bitch`. Also on a local radio show `masturbation` Etc. Breaking the mould!!!
Well this is something they were already pushing it on others in those years. The bible is very clear about this. We are tought not to hate them but they hate other people and will not let them have their opinion on the subject. It has to be the same opinion as they have! Pfff it's beginni g to tire me out the whole subject of alphabet people. Just be what you wanna be and don't push your life on others!
Why is it okay to push heterosexuality on others then? People who share your viewpoint on this topic are very hypocritical. How about YOU not push your lifestyle on people? And where are you getting the idea that we hate you? I've never heard that one before. What we hate is people like you shoving your ancient opinions on us and using the Bible as your excuse to justify hate. If you believe in the Bible that's fine but stop forcing others to believe in your ancient ideology.
@@hippiedaze1970 did you not read my comment at all? Well it was the last sentence, here it comes again! "Just be what you wanna be and don't push your life on others!" JUST BE WHAT YOU WANNA BE AND DON'T PUSH YOUR LIFE ON OTHERS! J-U-S-T B-E W-H-A-T Y-O-U W-A-N-N-A B-E A-N-D D-O-N'T P-U-S-H Y-O-U-R L-I-F-E O-N O-T-H-E-R-S-! JUST BE WHAT YOU WANNA BE AND DON'T PUSH YOUR LIFE ON OTHERS! READ IT!
@@PicturesSGC Of course I read it. That's why I responded to it. 🙄 And asking for acceptance (not tolerance) is NOT pushing anything on others. All we want is the right to exist without fear of our lives and families lives. I don't understand how that's pushing anything on others. I would actually argue that it's the naysayers that's pushing their lifestyle and particularly the Bible on us. But that's a conversation you're not ready to have so I'll just drop this subject. 🤷♀️
@@hippiedaze1970 well if all either side wanted was to just exist and no one was fighting for their rights there would not be a problem in he world. But obviously the problem is there maybe it doesn't come from you or me but the problem is there and I'm afraid it will not just stop being a problem. I for one do not care what people do in the privacy of their houses WHATEVER their preferences!
This is a fascinating find. Rev Troy Perry deserves all his flowers!
i have a newfound love for june lockhart!!!!!
Thank you for finding this
I have met Troy Perry and used to go to Metropolitan Community Church in Sacramento CA
Troy is now 83 years old
This is an excerpt from The Virginia Graham Show (1970-1972).
Not sure of the exact air date in 1970..
Virginia Graham Show, Sept 7, 1970. I got that off of the Wikipedia page on Troy Perry
Rev Troy Perry is still alive and the Metropolitan Church is still active as of March 2023.
June Lockhart is now 98 years old today
This priest was way ahead of his time. Bravo June Lockhart🌈🌈🏳️🌈
This is super rare video.
I remember Virginia Graham and her two talk programs, this one and its predecessor, Girl Talk. They aired during the '60s and early '70s on TV stations owned by RKO General. It aired in the Boston area on weekday mornings on their old Channel 7, WNAC-TV, back when they were an ABC affiliate.
"Girl Talk" had been syndicated by ABC Films, and in New York aired on WABC Channel 7. After Miss Graham left in 1969, the producers replaced her with actress and onetime "I've Got A Secret" panelist Betsy Palmer; the show only lasted for one more year.
I do seem to remember, from old New York Metro TV Guides, "The Virginia Graham Show" airing on WOR Channel 9.
Are you sure she left in 1969 . not 1970. ?????@@wmbrown6
@@wmbrown6 Betsy Palmer -- was she Mrs. Voorhees?
Troy Perry was a trailblazer in setting up a church for the LBTGQ community that is still active- so is he!
It's the Virginia Graham Show. The man on the far left is comedian Art Metrano.
Thank you! I was trying to figure that out. It kinda looked like Robert Blake, but was a bit stout. LOL
Thank you for posting this 🙏🏻
Don't know the details except that really is Virginia Graham and this is The Virginia Graham Show.
Troy Perry is still with us, and what an amazing person.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Perry
5:30 she sure didn't see that one coming and had to take a commercial to compose herself
I remember this show being aired in the NY area early in the morning around 10 or 11 am
Virginia Graham was a good person and extraordinarily funny and entertaining. On this topic, however, like so many people of her era, she was tragically and dangerously ignorant. At least she allowed the topic on her show and she was open to audience members voicing opinions so contrary to her own (and three cheers for June Lockhart)!
My mother was very good friends with Virginia going back to the mid 70's. She was quite extraordinary, funny, larger than life. I spent a lot of time with her. She was certainly a product of her time but she did have many gay and lesbian friends. This was filmed before I met her. Seems to me that by the time I got to know her her views softened. June Lockhart is a treasure!
Bull a good person would not display her ignorance and homophobia on national television. A good person would never say or believe homosexuality can be cured, or that gays will destroy civilization.
Great walk down 'memory lane', thx! 💖🙌😺
And the church is STILL 'brow beating' people with the Bible. 😢
What fascinating footage, and historically impactful as well. This is one of those occasions where things truly benefit from the lack of what you later get with bilge like the Bill Maher shows where he and others often need to try to pop in with wisecracks and one-liners for the audience to lap up. This is a tough conversation all around and they aren't trying to be anything else. Some of the terminology isn't quite what they would be today, but honestly you still have these types of conversations in many places now - some things never change.
Nice to see June Lockhart.
I'm so happy you got a chance to show your bipartisan ass.
June Lockhart , a gay advocate
June Lockhart still has her "Lost in Space" hair !
Danger Warning Pretty Handsome Dr. Smith !
June had just finished working on Petticoat Junction which was cancelled in 1970. Remember she played the doctor.
@@tezzycortez2746 ,
Did you check out her fringed vest? 'Cool' days! 😛💖🙌😺
Stumbled on to this. What a find. I don’t know much about Virginia G but was surprised she was so closed minded. On the other hand, the minister is incredibly articulate and really on point. The comedian and June Lockhart are open minded and calling out VG’s bigoted view point.
First of all, she had to present a the decent because it was illegal to show homosexuality in a favorable light in media until 1970. The fact that she even had this on her show showed she was a supporter..
In case you didn't know congress passed a law making it illegal to show heavy people in an attractive light, homosexuality or androgynous people in a positive light after the market crash of 29. People were furious with congress. Congress however blamed lose morality and God's reckoning on the crash. They paid newspapers and Hollywood to only show the iconic views they became famous for and they paid shrinks to change to change the medical books from masterbation being a sign of mental re- card- a- tion. (Google censors) and homosexuality the characteristic of the most creative artistic people, to a mental illness. This law was to last for 40 years. Hence why the sexual revolution happened in the 70s. Because the law had ended. In order for her to have this topic on her show in the 60s she had to voice against it.
You also missed her point. She wasn't anti gay. She was anti segregation. Against separating people from the church.
@@phillipstroll7385 ,
Yes, she kept saying she was against the segregation, in that case she had the wrong panell of guests for that discussion. 😛💖🙌😺
Virginia Graham Show, Sept 7, 1970. I got that off of the Wikipedia page on Troy Perry
June Lockhart sitting next to Virgina at 1:00 on the couch ? I thought I heard her call her June
It is indeed Miss Lockhart!
@@Avatar610 And, she is still among the living at age 97.
June Lockhart were a Liberal even back then
One irony in all this - the show she had been on up to that time, "Petticoat Junction," had been cancelled, and CBS put in its old time slot a new series called the "Mary Tyler Moore" show where, in its first five seasons, one of the co-stars was Cloris Leachman as her eccentric landlady Phyllis Lindstrom. The irony? 12 years before, Miss Leachman had been replaced as the mom on "Timmy and Lassie" by Miss Lockhart. Now, in 1970, turnabout was fair play, with a show featuring Miss Lockhart being replaced on the CBS schedule with a new show featuring Miss Leachman.
Even Billy Mumy of "Lost In Space" said Miss Lockhart was far "wilder" than her strait-laced persona as exemplified in the roles she played on TV would suggest, and once recalled a time she took him to - gasp! - a rock concert.
@@wmbrown6 Yes i also remember her on Lost in Space and i seen her daughter Ann on many shows in the 70s and 80s Battle Star Galaxical ,Knight Rider,Logan run,and Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys
Corey Levine what’s wrong with being liberal??????…my ex Jeff is
@@sherryhannah9262 Noting but today world they are look down on 1970 and 2023 are two different World now
@@coreylevine8095 Not really. Homosexuals are still facing the same discriminations as described in this clip. People are still as ignorant and dismissive as Graham. You're hearing the same rhetoric Virginia is spewing here. It is getting better- there's less Virginias in the world today.
Virginia Graham is old school, but I like her anyway. A respectful discussion of a controversial topic.
I wouldn't have a problem with a homosexual as long as he doesn't treat me as inferior.
We don't act inferior. In fact I'd actually argue that it's vice versa.
I always knew that Ginny was a loudmouthed judgmental individual.
You could never say `orgasm` on the VG or `virgin` etc. I was on the shows late Sixties. This may have spurred use in `Down With Myth America` Sandra Shevey NYTimes 24 May 1970 of the words `shackling bitch`. Also on a local radio show `masturbation` Etc. Breaking the mould!!!
A pioneer in religion. Judge not. Cast the first stone etc. God does not hate homosexuals and we are not to judge.
Well this is something they were already pushing it on others in those years. The bible is very clear about this. We are tought not to hate them but they hate other people and will not let them have their opinion on the subject. It has to be the same opinion as they have! Pfff it's beginni g to tire me out the whole subject of alphabet people. Just be what you wanna be and don't push your life on others!
Why is it okay to push heterosexuality on others then? People who share your viewpoint on this topic are very hypocritical. How about YOU not push your lifestyle on people? And where are you getting the idea that we hate you? I've never heard that one before. What we hate is people like you shoving your ancient opinions on us and using the Bible as your excuse to justify hate. If you believe in the Bible that's fine but stop forcing others to believe in your ancient ideology.
@@hippiedaze1970 did you not read my comment at all?
Well it was the last sentence, here it comes again!
"Just be what you wanna be and don't push your life on others!"
JUST BE WHAT YOU WANNA BE AND DON'T PUSH YOUR LIFE ON OTHERS!
J-U-S-T B-E W-H-A-T Y-O-U W-A-N-N-A B-E A-N-D D-O-N'T P-U-S-H Y-O-U-R L-I-F-E O-N O-T-H-E-R-S-!
JUST
BE
WHAT
YOU
WANNA
BE
AND
DON'T
PUSH
YOUR
LIFE
ON
OTHERS!
READ IT!
@@PicturesSGC Of course I read it. That's why I responded to it. 🙄 And asking for acceptance (not tolerance) is NOT pushing anything on others. All we want is the right to exist without fear of our lives and families lives. I don't understand how that's pushing anything on others. I would actually argue that it's the naysayers that's pushing their lifestyle and particularly the Bible on us. But that's a conversation you're not ready to have so I'll just drop this subject. 🤷♀️
@@hippiedaze1970 well if all either side wanted was to just exist and no one was fighting for their rights there would not be a problem in he world. But obviously the problem is there maybe it doesn't come from you or me but the problem is there and I'm afraid it will not just stop being a problem. I for one do not care what people do in the privacy of their houses WHATEVER their preferences!