Ben Shapiro debates a student at the University of Cambridge Union who asks whether the death toll could reach a number that makes Israel's war no longer justified. Ben responds powerfully.
The real problem is those in the West who live under a view that "perception is reality" instead of rejecting the Islamic pattern of lies. Propaganda wins when truth and morals are blurred in our society.
The war dis nit atsrt on 7 Oct 23. In 2023, Terrorist IDF and terrorist settlers murdered 250 Palestinian in the West Bank. This started in 1917 Balfour declaration. Why do zionist only use hamas reactions as a starting point rather than looking at all the atrocities committed over 75 years inc 750000 Palestinians exiled in 1948 from newly created Israel
Living in gated communities or taught religious bigotry from childhood is a sure bet to encourage hate based on ignorance supported by stereotypes not facts.
They’ve had a right to their homeland and they’ve been offered that right by Israel 5 times since 1948. The problem is they wanted more than just their homeland.
They’ve been offered a state too. The biggest problem is much(not all) of the Muslim world don’t want the Jewish state there. And they use the young Palestinian population to brainwash, manipulate, and fight it. So sad.
Goes deeper then that. There was no Palestinian people before the 60's. That's when the PLO coined the term. Before that, they were just Arabs not living in any of the other Arab countries. Arabs who would have been given the VAST MAJORITY of what is today Israel and the West Bank back before 1948 as their homeland. Israel was going to be a tiny speck of land, about maybe 1 to 5% of the land that makes up modern day Israel, West Bank, and Jordan today. To the Arabs, that tiny speck of land was too much for them. Five different tribes or nations or whatever of Arabs launched an attack on the Israeli's, and lost in 1949. And so Israel gained the land they had before the Six Day War. Six Day War, Israel expands in size, and THAT'S when the Palestinians come into existence. Before that, there was no Palestine. There was the Mandate of Palestine, but that was a name the British called part of the territory they took from the Ottomans after WW1, and never existed before the 20's. The Byzantines and Saracens and Europeans called the area Palestine, but they did so not because they believed it belonged to any Palestinian people, but because that was the name the ROMANs gave the territory. So where did the Romans get it from? Emperor Hadrian, in I think 132 AD, renamed the occupied Holy Land into Syria Palestinia (I think that's how its spelled) in order to break the spirit of the occupied and rebelling Jews. He took it from the Greek name for a group of Greek or Hellenic people who migrated, from Crete, to south of Gaza via Egypt in the 12th century BC: the Philistines. The people we get David and Goliath from. The people who did, shortly after settling in the area, attacked the Israelites living north of them, and losing to them in the 10th century BC. The Arabs who we get our modern day Palestinians from wouldn't arrive in the area until the 7th century AD, about FIFTEEN TO SIXTEEN HUNDRED YEARS after the Philistines. So no...there is no land of Palestinians. There is no Kingdom of Palestine, no Republic, no Empire, no anything. There were just a bunch of Arab people who sat around and did nothing until Israel gained more land, and then started acting like they were some great nation that was being occupied by people living on land they won fair and square from the defensive wars they have had to fight for a right to exist. The only people to blame for the so called 'occupation' and 'colonization' of the Middle East by Jews are the Arabs for not sitting down, shutting up, and accepting a tiny smidge of land on the northern part of modern day Israel being Jewish.
@@daves.9479 I used to think it was muddled thinking. Not so sure anymore. I think a lot of it is just classic Jew-hatred. Whatever Israel does is wrong.
ive quickly learned growing up people just seem to hate jews. Somehow muslims are looked at like they're sick puppys while they call for the death of countless different people.
Hiding behind civilians ? or behind RPG's dropping your diaper soldiers like flies in Rafah & Jibalia , turning the Zionist invaders tanks & bulldozers into fireballs . 70,000 boy soldiers have been disabled plus 17 yesterday . It is the cowardly tic tok soldiers that is hiding behind Palestine prisoners & living in residential areas . But Hezbollah is , at the moment , picking them off , with precision strikes ,
@@couldbe8348if you mean Israel is done with playing around, then yes I agree. If you meant Israel is finished and will be soon destroyed, I have to wonder what it is you're smoking or drinking.
It’s exactly the opposite of what the guy saying who is challenging Ben He is suggesting that Israel in dangers it citizens in the same way that Hamas endangers its citizens in order to have equivalency
"You can't attack them because they're hiding behind civilians." Then literally every aggressor in the world will adopt that strategy. How do these idiots not see that?
People are sheep. And Hamas and their allies have a huge world wide campaign to turn the word against the “Zionist entity.” The people truly behind this ridiculousness hate Israel more than they care for Palestinians.
@@janetprice85What alternative universe do you live in? In February 1941, 88% of the Arab Palestinians polled expressed support for Germany, while only 9% supported England Not Just The Mufti - the real extension of the Palestinian-NAZl collaboration When HitIer proclaimed the Nuremberg Race Laws in September 1935, a number of Palestinian Arabs sent telegrams congratulating him: “Delegations from the Arab world participated in the Nuremberg marches of the NAZlS, during the 1930s, and expressed their common disgust toward the Jews and their joint accusations of the Jews… Upon the publication of the racist Nuremberg Laws in 1935, HitIer received greetings from the entire Arab world, from Morocco to Palestine, where NAZl propaganda had taken root.” The Arab NAZl movement did its utmost to bring NAZl ever closer to victory. The effort was not undertaken by a mere pack of renegade fanatics or a single military political party, but a mass movement of many thousands of Arabs and Muslums, young and old, comprising whole divisions of Arab NAZl. The Farhud: Roots of The Arab-NAZl Alliance in the Holocaust Staff F, created by HitIer to coordinate Arab movement, took command of the units. Arab fighter would wear regular German miliatary uniforms as Reich soldiers...So many volunteers answered the call that Staff F was able to organize the first wave of thousands into four more battalions....Palestinians , Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqis, Transjordanians, Saudis, Libyans, Ieanians, desert Bedouins and other Muslims who volunteered were either formed into their own unit or mixed into the larger battalions.
@@janetprice85 Nope. He never would. He simply not cared. He only used that terms in an other direction - it is part of his book. It was like this "We have to get rid of the jewish. That will be hard and not easy for everyone but neccessary." Btw, in case you do not get it: Everyone = non yewish germans.
Naftali Bennett made a great point about the cynically misused and overused word genocide the other day; "In war the killing stops when one side surrenders, with genocide the killing STARTS when one side surrenders." Hamas / Gaza started this war, breaking a truce, and they fall on the mercy of world opinion to save them but they are not surrendering. The deaths of Gazans are not genocide. I totally don't get the kids logic, but at least he conducted himself respectfully. We're not seeing that from the monster children Gen Zs on American college campuses.
If they are Muslim, that is not true. The truth is that the Reliance of the Traveler directs all adherents of Islam to make any statement that shows Islam in the best light, no matter if it is a lie or not. Specifically, the only time they may not tell a lie is when the truth is better for Islam.
@jamessanders8895 how is that in any way related to this video where this hateful person makes a stupid point that is clearly just a disguise for hating Israel? This hateful person's point had nothing to do with Islam.
@@guntario2715 There is no doubt or argument that the statement is hateful. There is no certainty the individual is a Muslim, hence the "if." Where it applies is if they are "ignoring" the truth, fundamentally twisting it in adherence to doctrine (seriously, read the indicated passage), or believe the "truth" of others over actual research. It is somewhat dependent on how you deconstruct the question that was asked and how the individual came to that wording. Also relevant is that this is a "debate format" (as opposed to "lecture" or "Q&A" format) where one of the goals is to discredit the speech of the opponent or to score "points" by making the other side unable to support their position. Ultimately, the question was asked in such a way as to illuminate the Islamic faction, Hamas, as the "poor oppressed freedom fighters" as compared to Israel's supposed heavy-handed, goose stepping, even "genocidal," actions in rooting out said faction of militants.
Israel literally begs people to leave because of bombing. They stay. Why aren't people condemning Hamas???? Using children as human shields is so despicable & yet they say not a word against Hamas.
Are you saying Hamas is attaching the children to their forearms and using them as "shields" as IDF bombs hospitals, refugee camps, cemeteries, mosques, churches, etc?
@@Sarah-im3lpSorry, guy, but I’ve just read your comment. It’s a ridiculous lie. The war started with barbaric attacks killing 1,200+ Israeli citizen. The Arabs of Gaza shouldn’t started the war. Wars suck, especially if you lose, especially if you lose a war of extermination that you started. Thousands of Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and “ordinary” Gazan civilians invaded southern Israel on October 7, raping, mutilating, murdering, pillaging, burning, and abducting. Among the murderous hordes were members of Fatah’s al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, under the authority of Palestinian Authority head Abbas. That’s Palestinian President Abbas, if you prefer. Don’t bother repeating lies, I've heard them all.
@@Sarah-im3lp Not true Sarah. It is Palestine that has a very effective propaganda machine. You have got to give it credit for something. It is very good at making weapons from scraps of metal, building tunnels, producing child terrorists and propaganda.
imagine you are in a fist fight and as you are about to strike your opponent, he raises his kid and uses him as his shield. Who is the bad guy in this scenario?
@@Harris665 exactly. the occupiers. or shall we say squatters. Israel has claim to the land 3000 years longer than the palestinians. here is a little trivia for you: the year today is 2024. And that is AD. After Death. Of Jesus Christ. Yes a Jew. Born in Bethlehem in Israel. During a time when the Roman Empired conquered even Israel. So yes the whole worlds calendar is based on the deaht of the Jew Jesus Christ. That gives you an idea on how long the Jews have been living in Israel. But before Jesus was even born in bethlehem the Jews have been living in Israel for more than 2 millenniums. That two thousand years by the way. So yes those palestinian occupiers should be so lucky that they got gaza, originally an israel land, given to them.
@Harris665 Then we should all be out to the sword since every person in earth currently occupies a space previously occupied by other people. All one must simply do is point to a convenient plot in history to justify their actions in th3 name if irredentism. Israel, a thriving nation with an advanced arms complex isn't going anywhere. No amount of lamenting their existence in that region will change it. Move the conversation beyond no solution based rhetoric. I love statements like "Palestinians have a right to defend themselves" and "IL is an occupier" because it undermines your own humanitarian act because you can justify violence and killing, so long as it isn't towards the side you like and if the side you like does incur losses, than it's acceptable in the name of irredentism. I could go on but you should get the point. *Spelling
@@Harris665 So the Islamic Arabs that invaded the region through the violent expansion of the Ottoman Empire long after Jews held claim to the land? I agree. The occupiers are the bad guys. But you failed to understand the analogy (as your kind usually does).
Also people like that student ignore that Hamas fires many rockets from civilian locations indiscriminately at civilian targets. Many Hamas rockets misfire and actually kill Palestinians yet it is Israel that is blamed for those civilian deaths by Hamas.
I believe it was John Spencer who said that Israel is doing the impossible. They are protecting the Gaza civilians better than in any other urban war in history. The number of civilians killed is by an order of magnitude lower than what one would expect. John Spencer is considered the world's leading expert on urban warfare. He literally wrote the book on it.
The overwhelming obsession to critique everything about Jews and Israel's right to sovereignty security and life is nauseating and exhausting to the extreme.
The moral thing for an army to do is to surrender when it has no chance of winning. So which side would that be? As always, Hamas continues to fight the war in the media at the cost of Gaza and the Arabs living there.
All believe there's 1 and only 1 God,but who had believed the "correct" God is the question. I don't know what the Jew had any recording of the current events, but it's the Christian's recording that Jew shall be re-stated, attacked from everyone else, and God still be with Israel. It's also recorded, hard hearted will no see the truth even it's happening in front of their eyes.
As a german i totaly agree with you: We've experienced what happens when your own government wages war against your neigbours and you didnt stop them. Then others have to stop them, no matter what it takes. The palestinians experiences the same due to not been able to defeat hamas by themselves. Let Isreal do this job and always support Isreal.
FACT: On October 7th, Palestinians celebrated in the streets, distributed cakes, and helped kidnap Israelis to Gaza, into the tunnels. They also, in exchange for money, kept the kidnapped individuals in their homes to blend them into the population.
The answer is as many as it takes simply because that is their government and that's who they elected and if they don't like it then they can step up to help get rid of them instead of aiding and abetting them.
The Cambridge Union debate with Shapiro was far more civil and intelligent on the part of those students who engaged with Ben Shapiro, compared to the Oxford Union debate which was an absolute disgrace.
I am surprised you have not covered the interview the the now freed Israeli peace activist who had their ideals changed due to the ordeal she went through.
The US, England and their allies didn’t let the fact that would have to kill civilians deter them in WWII. England bombed the hell out of Germany knowing it would be killing civilians. And how many civilians were killed when the US bombed Japan. It’s unreasonable to believe a country can defend itself against an enemy in war without civilian deaths.
We had the Geneva Conventions to prevent the horrors of WW2 from ever happening again! We live in a different time, and we've defined war crimes!! Stop making excuses for Israel!! It's really getting sickening!
Really so how about all wars fought after WWII ? Did no kids die then get a brain. Also the Geneva convention was to prevent Nazi war crimes from happening again not against what the Allis did
Since the Islamic nations will not surrender the Hamas leadership out of Qatar, to face justice for Hamas tactics of using civilian shields, this is a problem with Islam. The non-Islamic countries need to apply economic pressure, but the world will not defend Jews.
Somewhere in Hell Hitler, Mussolini, and Yakimoto are thinking: "Wait! New wargame plan: You shouldn't be able to kill civilians to get to the enemy?! Why didn't WE think of that?!?!?"
If they surrender and release all the hostages then no more civilians are victims. Surrender and save lives! Something tells me they don't want to save lives 🤔
Very shortly after Oct. 7, one of the Hamas leaders (Sinwar?) openly stated that this was the planned strategy, that many Palestinians would die but it was their purpose to serve Islam and become martyrs in the fight against Israel.
no need to explain more, it is a war . if u want to play war game it must be like this ! it is not about right or wrong in war in real time . only winning is the goal. what do expect from war , war is hell according to it's deifinition , if don't want to get hurt , don't fool with War . right !
If I were a family member of one of these kids it would be of great concern. Perhaps someone should ask them, if your neighbour came into your home and kidnapped one or more of your family members and held them in the basement; would you not use every resource available to you to get them back? And what if innocent people in their house were hurt or killed because they refused to move out of the way, would you say, “Oh well, we’ll just have to stop, you can keep them and do whatever you want with them, I don’t want others to get hurt” ? These kids own family members should be concerned about their reasoning.
Those Palestinians, in Gaza, could have left there at any time, but they choose not to because they support Hamas. They should at least bear responsibility for voting for and being part of Hamas, a terrorist organization.
How exactly would they leave? Gaza has been blockaded from all sides. Perhaps, try learning the conditions of Gaza before Oct 7th. Furthermore, maybe you should learn how Hamas was founded and why Netanyahu propped them up in the past.
Hamas learned that from Arafat and the PLO. They did that in the 70s. Hiding and shooting their arms in with civilians. Of course Israel was condemned then too. It's a strategy that has worked well for the terrorist groups against Israel.
Just to put Gaza in scale. Deaths in Gaza per day (Hamas + civilians): 148/day. Deaths in Okinawa during WWII (Japanese military + civilians) : 1,750-2,360 / day. And you are entirely correct. War is terrible, but it isn't AT ALL genocide. War ends when one side says "we give up".
Batman: "How many have I killed by letting you live?" Joker: "I never kept count!" Batman: "I DID." Joker: "I know! And I love ya for it." Evil people know that good people don't WANT to hurt innocents and they WILL hide behind them to get away with murder. There comes a point where you have to stop letting evil people get away with it, even if it means getting your hands dirty. It's good that you might place importance on the moral high ground and try as hard as you can NOT to cause collateral damage and innocent deaths but at some point you simply have to recognize that ending the threat may be worth a short-term sacrifice. Otherwise the threat never ends...and the sacrifices keep happening.
Ben is right, Hamas are to blame for all of this, what cowards, if Hitler had put women and children on the front on their planes, tanks and submarines, would these people still say don’t attack them, just let them come for us.
Well done Ben. We abhor innocents being victims, but the terrorists are responsible not the Jewish defenders. A General of the Union army in America’s Civil War once said “war is all hell and you cannot refine it” Times have not changed, War is still hell. May God yet intervene.
Hamas pays for international support in the currency of its own civilian casualties. But they aren't really casualties because they are murdered victims of Hamas. That is pure evil.
You mentioned child level morality. That it is. We need to wrap our heads around the fact that there is no morality,integrity,honesty in most of our societies. To live bravely is to maintain your beliefs,morals,honour and integrity. This has happened each generation. 25 years ago I bought into this sort of thing. It has been only with age and what little wisdom I have gained that the scales have fallen from my eyes.
Who would've thought war is terrible. I recommend not starting wars to avoid civilian deaths. It's fascinating no one who raises this question puts any of the blame on hamas.
One of the causes of this problem is the unwillingness of the arab people in gaza to stand up against hamas in the first place and the west and the rest of the worlds turning a blind eye and even complicitness with hamas and supporters of terrorist groups so the rest of the world holds some responsibility to this terrible situation.
The citizens that Hamas is hiding among elected Hamas.. and still the Jews are going farther than any other nation ever has in war to avoid civilian deaths in urban combat. Israel wants to be an open modern democracy free from constant aggression by Muslims. The world seems to not want to let them do that. 😢
I'd love if Shapiro debated Finkelstein, Maté, Gideon Levy or Miko Peled over this topic, but no... He'd rather debate some students instead of educated jews 💀
Answering that question on simple moral grounds may seem easy (for some). But the clarity in his response - "why the question itself is not valid". That response could only come from a Marvel-Superhero mind and it's the stuff of legend.
You can’t hide among women & children and cry “you’re killing women & children”.
The real problem is those in the West who live under a view that "perception is reality" instead of rejecting the Islamic pattern of lies. Propaganda wins when truth and morals are blurred in our society.
@@jchan9761 Like the original commentor said, "You can’t hide among women & children and cry 'you’re killing women & children”.
@@jchan9761poor lost soul 🤦🏻♂️
@@jchan9761 you always love to lies, why ?
Was ben shapiro a good example to show on morality?
Hamas started the war and hamas has made the war last as long as it has. You cannot blame Israel.
The war dis nit atsrt on 7 Oct 23. In 2023, Terrorist IDF and terrorist settlers murdered 250 Palestinian in the West Bank. This started in 1917 Balfour declaration. Why do zionist only use hamas reactions as a starting point rather than looking at all the atrocities committed over 75 years inc 750000 Palestinians exiled in 1948 from newly created Israel
Actually the UN, USA and liberals are at fault and have extended the war by restraining 🇮🇱 Israel
AMEN!
Israel besieged the residents and protected Hamas within the siege.
And who started fue invasion?
Amazing that so many people don't understand what genocide is, but use the word so freely.
They do understand they are purposely mischaracterizing.
Oh Satan has his way with his puppets
@@AkeelBuckus *cough* mohamed *cough*
Living in gated communities or taught religious bigotry from childhood is a sure bet to encourage hate based on ignorance supported by stereotypes not facts.
@@janetprice85huh?
the palestinian plight and right to their homeland is the biggest LIE ever told.
They’ve had a right to their homeland and they’ve been offered that right by Israel 5 times since 1948. The problem is they wanted more than just their homeland.
That's exactly why we need to Keep Up Loud and PRoud!!!!!
They’ve been offered a state too. The biggest problem is much(not all) of the Muslim world don’t want the Jewish state there. And they use the young Palestinian population to brainwash, manipulate, and fight it. So sad.
Except for the lie that there was a land with
No people
Are you seriously able to admit what was done
TANTURA
Goes deeper then that. There was no Palestinian people before the 60's. That's when the PLO coined the term. Before that, they were just Arabs not living in any of the other Arab countries. Arabs who would have been given the VAST MAJORITY of what is today Israel and the West Bank back before 1948 as their homeland. Israel was going to be a tiny speck of land, about maybe 1 to 5% of the land that makes up modern day Israel, West Bank, and Jordan today.
To the Arabs, that tiny speck of land was too much for them. Five different tribes or nations or whatever of Arabs launched an attack on the Israeli's, and lost in 1949. And so Israel gained the land they had before the Six Day War.
Six Day War, Israel expands in size, and THAT'S when the Palestinians come into existence.
Before that, there was no Palestine. There was the Mandate of Palestine, but that was a name the British called part of the territory they took from the Ottomans after WW1, and never existed before the 20's. The Byzantines and Saracens and Europeans called the area Palestine, but they did so not because they believed it belonged to any Palestinian people, but because that was the name the ROMANs gave the territory.
So where did the Romans get it from? Emperor Hadrian, in I think 132 AD, renamed the occupied Holy Land into Syria Palestinia (I think that's how its spelled) in order to break the spirit of the occupied and rebelling Jews. He took it from the Greek name for a group of Greek or Hellenic people who migrated, from Crete, to south of Gaza via Egypt in the 12th century BC: the Philistines. The people we get David and Goliath from. The people who did, shortly after settling in the area, attacked the Israelites living north of them, and losing to them in the 10th century BC.
The Arabs who we get our modern day Palestinians from wouldn't arrive in the area until the 7th century AD, about FIFTEEN TO SIXTEEN HUNDRED YEARS after the Philistines.
So no...there is no land of Palestinians. There is no Kingdom of Palestine, no Republic, no Empire, no anything. There were just a bunch of Arab people who sat around and did nothing until Israel gained more land, and then started acting like they were some great nation that was being occupied by people living on land they won fair and square from the defensive wars they have had to fight for a right to exist. The only people to blame for the so called 'occupation' and 'colonization' of the Middle East by Jews are the Arabs for not sitting down, shutting up, and accepting a tiny smidge of land on the northern part of modern day Israel being Jewish.
Israel's actions are not evil. Why people can't see that Israel is protecting and trying to preserve its very existence is beyond me.
They don’t want to
Israel is also doing its best to liberate "Palestinians" from Hamas' oppression. So much tangled muddled thinking by Hamas "supporters"...
@@daves.9479 I used to think it was muddled thinking. Not so sure anymore. I think a lot of it is just classic Jew-hatred. Whatever Israel does is wrong.
ive quickly learned growing up people just seem to hate jews. Somehow muslims are looked at like they're sick puppys while they call for the death of countless different people.
They can. They just don't care.
It shows the utter depravity and subhuman cowardice of Hamas that they hide behind women and kids.
And those that naively blame Israel for the lives lost in gaza.
Hiding behind civilians ? or behind RPG's dropping your diaper soldiers like flies in Rafah & Jibalia , turning the Zionist invaders tanks & bulldozers into fireballs . 70,000 boy soldiers have been disabled plus 17 yesterday . It is the cowardly tic tok soldiers that is hiding behind Palestine prisoners & living in residential areas . But Hezbollah is , at the moment , picking them off , with precision strikes ,
Amen!
@@couldbe8348if you mean Israel is done with playing around, then yes I agree. If you meant Israel is finished and will be soon destroyed, I have to wonder what it is you're smoking or drinking.
It’s exactly the opposite of what the guy saying who is challenging Ben
He is suggesting that Israel in dangers it citizens in the same way that Hamas endangers its citizens in order to have equivalency
"You can't attack them because they're hiding behind civilians."
Then literally every aggressor in the world will adopt that strategy. How do these idiots not see that?
It only works when you can place the blame on Jews
They do see it, they don't care.
@@SnowWhite-z7c Jew Derangement Syndrome is the new Trump Derangement Syndrome
They don’t live it
They see it, they’re just too dumb to comprehend the implications of it.
Does this kid really believe that it is Israel's fault that Hamas is hiding behind civilians.
He did, but he doubted it as he walked away
People are sheep. And Hamas and their allies have a huge world wide campaign to turn the word against the “Zionist entity.” The people truly behind this ridiculousness hate Israel more than they care for Palestinians.
Social media said it, so it must be true.
I think the kid is just trying to learn. Good for him asking the questions he did not know the answer to.
Yahya Sinwar said last week 'Civilian casualties are a necessary sacrifice...".
So also said Hitler.
@@janetprice85What alternative universe do you live in?
In February 1941, 88% of the Arab Palestinians polled expressed support for Germany, while only 9% supported England
Not Just The Mufti - the real extension of the Palestinian-NAZl collaboration
When HitIer proclaimed the Nuremberg Race Laws in September 1935, a number of Palestinian Arabs sent telegrams congratulating him:
“Delegations from the Arab world participated in the Nuremberg marches of the NAZlS, during the 1930s, and expressed their common disgust toward the Jews and their joint accusations of the Jews… Upon the publication of the racist Nuremberg Laws in 1935, HitIer received greetings from the entire Arab world, from Morocco to Palestine, where NAZl propaganda had taken root.”
The Arab NAZl movement did its utmost to bring NAZl ever closer to victory. The effort was not undertaken by a mere pack of renegade fanatics or a single military political party, but a mass movement of many thousands of Arabs and Muslums, young and old, comprising whole divisions of Arab NAZl.
The Farhud: Roots of The Arab-NAZl Alliance in the Holocaust
Staff F, created by HitIer to coordinate Arab movement, took command of the units. Arab fighter would wear regular German miliatary uniforms as Reich soldiers...So many volunteers answered the call that Staff F was able to organize the first wave of thousands into four more battalions....Palestinians , Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqis, Transjordanians, Saudis, Libyans, Ieanians, desert Bedouins and other Muslims who volunteered were either formed into their own unit or mixed into the larger battalions.
@@janetprice85 Nope. He never would. He simply not cared. He only used that terms in an other direction - it is part of his book. It was like this "We have to get rid of the jewish. That will be hard and not easy for everyone but neccessary." Btw, in case you do not get it: Everyone = non yewish germans.
Unfortunately war about killing. People who started the war must remember this. Usually they don’t care about their civilian casualties.
It's "on the path to liberation"
Every time I hear the word "student", I expect stupidity right after.
SAME HERE!
I'm getting to that point, as well, of expecting stupidity. If any "student" actually showed intelligence, I'd be shocked.
Rarely disappointed
Truth......
To be fair, that is the point of going to school as a student (supposedly): To be educated out of the state of ignorance.
Naftali Bennett made a great point about the cynically misused and overused word genocide the other day;
"In war the killing stops when one side surrenders,
with genocide the killing STARTS when one side surrenders."
Hamas / Gaza started this war, breaking a truce, and they fall on the mercy of world opinion to save them but they are not surrendering. The deaths of Gazans are not genocide.
I totally don't get the kids logic, but at least he conducted himself respectfully. We're not seeing that from the monster children Gen Zs on American college campuses.
Eloquently said ❤
The kid left the podium and called his mom to see if she cleaned his room and washed his clothes for the protest tomorrow.
And to confirm his gender
@oldschool1993: 😂
These people are hateful and deliberately ignore the truth.
If they are Muslim, that is not true. The truth is that the Reliance of the Traveler directs all adherents of Islam to make any statement that shows Islam in the best light, no matter if it is a lie or not. Specifically, the only time they may not tell a lie is when the truth is better for Islam.
@jamessanders8895 how is that in any way related to this video where this hateful person makes a stupid point that is clearly just a disguise for hating Israel? This hateful person's point had nothing to do with Islam.
@@guntario2715 There is no doubt or argument that the statement is hateful. There is no certainty the individual is a Muslim, hence the "if." Where it applies is if they are "ignoring" the truth, fundamentally twisting it in adherence to doctrine (seriously, read the indicated passage), or believe the "truth" of others over actual research.
It is somewhat dependent on how you deconstruct the question that was asked and how the individual came to that wording. Also relevant is that this is a "debate format" (as opposed to "lecture" or "Q&A" format) where one of the goals is to discredit the speech of the opponent or to score "points" by making the other side unable to support their position. Ultimately, the question was asked in such a way as to illuminate the Islamic faction, Hamas, as the "poor oppressed freedom fighters" as compared to Israel's supposed heavy-handed, goose stepping, even "genocidal," actions in rooting out said faction of militants.
There are thousands like this young man that just do not understand what is going on. They live in a simplistic world.
How do you dress yourself in the morning every day??
@@Harris665 as usual.
I so dislike this generation for their absolute failure to recognize pure evil.
Same. And their inability to understand basic first grade facts (like "men aren't women"). Worst generation in human history.
No amount of evidence will ever convince an idiots
Well said,sad but true
Hiding behind kids is cowardice. Face your opponent
You cant start a war then say stop killing our civilians
Love Ben, love Israel.
I don't love Ben, but I support him here.
What about those eyebrows, do you think they're real!!
@@Sarah-im3lpyou are sick you make me sick
@@DoraKhasidy You didn't answer the question!
Ben Shapiro answers the blame question over and over again Pray for Israel
Israel literally begs people to leave because of bombing. They stay.
Why aren't people condemning Hamas???? Using children as human shields is so despicable & yet they say not a word against Hamas.
‘Human shields’ really?
Are you saying Hamas is attaching the children to their forearms and using them as "shields" as IDF bombs hospitals, refugee camps, cemeteries, mosques, churches, etc?
Why a Israel expected to coddle these people?
As Douglas Murray said about Hamas, "You don't get to start a war and then complain when you're losing the war."
It didn’t start on Oct 7..
@Harris665 most people are too lazy too learn the history but are very confident in their ignorant and misinformed opinions.
Spot on Ben. Too bad Candace Owens will not see it that way.
He is right. Some people cannot differentiate between genocide and war.
I can! It's really very easy, but Israel has a very effective propaganda machine! Ben is part of it!!
@@Sarah-im3lpYet when islamists execute gays and apostates you remain quiet. 😂😂
@@Sarah-im3lpSorry, guy, but I’ve just read your comment. It’s a ridiculous lie. The war started with barbaric attacks killing 1,200+ Israeli citizen.
The Arabs of Gaza shouldn’t started the war. Wars suck, especially if you lose, especially if you lose a war of extermination that you started.
Thousands of Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and “ordinary” Gazan civilians invaded southern Israel on October 7, raping, mutilating, murdering, pillaging, burning, and abducting.
Among the murderous hordes were members of Fatah’s al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, under the authority of Palestinian Authority head Abbas. That’s Palestinian President Abbas, if you prefer.
Don’t bother repeating lies, I've heard them all.
@@Sarah-im3lp Not true Sarah. It is Palestine that has a very effective propaganda machine. You have got to give it credit for something. It is very good at making weapons from scraps of metal, building tunnels, producing child terrorists and propaganda.
Thay is a lie unless you believe in arab narratives
imagine you are in a fist fight and as you are about to strike your opponent, he raises his kid and uses him as his shield. Who is the bad guy in this scenario?
The bad guys are the occupiers
@@Harris665 exactly. the occupiers. or shall we say squatters. Israel has claim to the land 3000 years longer than the palestinians.
here is a little trivia for you: the year today is 2024. And that is AD. After Death. Of Jesus Christ. Yes a Jew. Born in Bethlehem in Israel. During a time when the Roman Empired conquered even Israel. So yes the whole worlds calendar is based on the deaht of the Jew Jesus Christ. That gives you an idea on how long the Jews have been living in Israel. But before Jesus was even born in bethlehem the Jews have been living in Israel for more than 2 millenniums. That two thousand years by the way. So yes those palestinian occupiers should be so lucky that they got gaza, originally an israel land, given to them.
@Harris665 Then we should all be out to the sword since every person in earth currently occupies a space previously occupied by other people. All one must simply do is point to a convenient plot in history to justify their actions in th3 name if irredentism. Israel, a thriving nation with an advanced arms complex isn't going anywhere. No amount of lamenting their existence in that region will change it. Move the conversation beyond no solution based rhetoric. I love statements like "Palestinians have a right to defend themselves" and "IL is an occupier" because it undermines your own humanitarian act because you can justify violence and killing, so long as it isn't towards the side you like and if the side you like does incur losses, than it's acceptable in the name of irredentism. I could go on but you should get the point.
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@@Harris665 So the Islamic Arabs that invaded the region through the violent expansion of the Ottoman Empire long after Jews held claim to the land? I agree. The occupiers are the bad guys.
But you failed to understand the analogy (as your kind usually does).
@@lts5674 my religion is a new one and it’s called klazah. My god has promised me YOUR house. Will you go be me your house??
Also people like that student ignore that Hamas fires many rockets from civilian locations indiscriminately at civilian targets. Many Hamas rockets misfire and actually kill Palestinians yet it is Israel that is blamed for those civilian deaths by Hamas.
Ben is a gem ❤
I believe it was John Spencer who said that Israel is doing the impossible. They are protecting the Gaza civilians better than in any other urban war in history. The number of civilians killed is by an order of magnitude lower than what one would expect. John Spencer is considered the world's leading expert on urban warfare. He literally wrote the book on it.
The overwhelming obsession to critique everything about Jews and Israel's right to sovereignty security and life is nauseating and exhausting to the extreme.
*In brief, Hamas makes urban warfare necessary.*
And thus, they are responsible for civilian casualties.
thid kid needs to stop playing games and actualy learn what war is,
I AGREE WITH BEN SHAPIRO..
My fiancee who is a Christian Jew herself, and I plan on going to Israel one day to be baptized together in the River Jordan.
Christian Jew is an oxymoron 😂 but glad you support Israel
@OldFroaky Well, she's an ethnic Jew but not religiously Jewish. She and I are practicing Presbyterians if that makes any sense.
But thanks.
@@OldFroakyJesus was a Jew!
The moral thing for an army to do is to surrender when it has no chance of winning. So which side would that be? As always, Hamas continues to fight the war in the media at the cost of Gaza and the Arabs living there.
so who has no chance to win?
All an horrendous lie towards the poor Jewish people!! I beg of you G-D help your your people. Amen 🙏
You know both sides pray to the same god, right? Isn't it clear by now that this god either is not there or does not care?
LOL! Israel's propaganda is extremely effective!!
@@theoutspokenhumanistyes we have one and only but different ways to pray.
@@theoutspokenhumanistexcuse me 😡 it’s ignorant to say that they pray to same god 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
All believe there's 1 and only 1 God,but who had believed the "correct" God is the question.
I don't know what the Jew had any recording of the current events, but it's the Christian's recording that Jew shall be re-stated, attacked from everyone else, and God still be with Israel.
It's also recorded, hard hearted will no see the truth even it's happening in front of their eyes.
God bless Israel!!!!!!!!❤❤❤
Why is it Israel's fault that Hamas is evil? What the...? Why is no one condemning Hamas for putting their own people at risk?
God bless Bibi and his people. ❤
We are not his people, he's not king just a politician.
@@malachi9887nobody is praising him,just blessing him.Relax
As a german i totaly agree with you: We've experienced what happens when your own government wages war against your neigbours and you didnt stop them. Then others have to stop them, no matter what it takes. The palestinians experiences the same due to not been able to defeat hamas by themselves. Let Isreal do this job and always support Isreal.
Israel❤
" Radical Islam is a snake hiding in the grass.
Moderate Islam is the grass that hides the snake."
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Well said Ben.😂
EXACTLY
How he came to university if his intelligence like this? Is this how university accept like students like this?
Universities is where you get brainwashed
DEI at its finest 😂
The world has got to STOP blaming Israel for Hamas's War Crimes -!
Yea, you got it spot on m8. Its childish levels of understanding of morality.
Comparing Israel with Hamas is insane.
FACT: On October 7th, Palestinians celebrated in the streets, distributed cakes, and helped kidnap Israelis to Gaza, into the tunnels. They also, in exchange for money, kept the kidnapped individuals in their homes to blend them into the population.
The answer is as many as it takes simply because that is their government and that's who they elected and if they don't like it then they can step up to help get rid of them instead of aiding and abetting them.
The Cambridge Union debate with Shapiro was far more civil and intelligent on the part of those students who engaged with Ben Shapiro, compared to the Oxford Union debate which was an absolute disgrace.
I wonder what Candace has to to say about this. She has child level basic understanding of this war. She is totally lost and ignorant about this!
Keep up the reporting!
- From Texas :D
I am surprised you have not covered the interview the the now freed Israeli peace activist who had their ideals changed due to the ordeal she went through.
The US, England and their allies didn’t let the fact that would have to kill civilians deter them in WWII. England bombed the hell out of Germany knowing it would be killing civilians. And how many civilians were killed when the US bombed Japan.
It’s unreasonable to believe a country can defend itself against an enemy in war without civilian deaths.
We had the Geneva Conventions to prevent the horrors of WW2 from ever happening again! We live in a different time, and we've defined war crimes!! Stop making excuses for Israel!! It's really getting sickening!
Really so how about all wars fought after WWII ? Did no kids die then get a brain. Also the Geneva convention was to prevent Nazi war crimes from happening again not against what the Allis did
the student sounds like AI. 😂
The blame is on Hamas, not Israel.
Since the Islamic nations will not surrender the Hamas leadership out of Qatar, to face justice for Hamas tactics of using civilian shields, this is a problem with Islam. The non-Islamic countries need to apply economic pressure, but the world will not defend Jews.
Old bigots obviously still in the UN and EU.As for Brits? Well too many immigrants. As for the US senile leadership and corruption.
Somewhere in Hell Hitler, Mussolini, and Yakimoto are thinking: "Wait! New wargame plan: You shouldn't be able to kill civilians to get to the enemy?! Why didn't WE think of that?!?!?"
Ben is the most education these kids get 😂
If they surrender and release all the hostages then no more civilians are victims. Surrender and save lives! Something tells me they don't want to save lives 🤔
Very shortly after Oct. 7, one of the Hamas leaders (Sinwar?) openly stated that this was the planned strategy, that many Palestinians would die but it was their purpose to serve Islam and become martyrs in the fight against Israel.
no need to explain more, it is a war . if u want to play war game it must be like this ! it is not about right or wrong in war in real time . only winning is the goal. what do expect from war , war is hell according to it's deifinition , if don't want to get hurt , don't fool with War . right !
If I were a family member of one of these kids it would be of great concern. Perhaps someone should ask them, if your neighbour came into your home and kidnapped one or more of your family members and held them in the basement; would you not use every resource available to you to get them back? And what if innocent people in their house were hurt or killed because they refused to move out of the way, would you say, “Oh well, we’ll just have to stop, you can keep them and do whatever you want with them, I don’t want others to get hurt” ? These kids own family members should be concerned about their reasoning.
Ben again right on point. Bravo brave citizen solder of justice. Shalom.
Those Palestinians, in Gaza, could have left there at any time, but they choose not to because they support Hamas. They should at least bear responsibility for voting for and being part of Hamas, a terrorist organization.
How exactly would they leave? Gaza has been blockaded from all sides. Perhaps, try learning the conditions of Gaza before Oct 7th.
Furthermore, maybe you should learn how Hamas was founded and why Netanyahu propped them up in the past.
This student doesn't know what barbarians are
Thank you Mr Ben Shapiro. These facts must be heard over and over again for some people to comprehend.
Hamas learned that from Arafat and the PLO. They did that in the 70s. Hiding and shooting their arms in with civilians. Of course Israel was condemned then too. It's a strategy that has worked well for the terrorist groups against Israel.
People want the impossible but not by them... Israel have to, somahow.
Just to put Gaza in scale. Deaths in Gaza per day (Hamas + civilians): 148/day. Deaths in Okinawa during WWII (Japanese military + civilians) : 1,750-2,360 / day. And you are entirely correct. War is terrible, but it isn't AT ALL genocide. War ends when one side says "we give up".
Ben needs to continue to speak out against Hamas and its leaders for their own actions regarding the use of Palestinians as shields!
The only people who can defend Hamas....are either:
A.) Hamas.
B.) People who don't know what Hamas is.
Hamas expects Israel to behave better than Hamas behaves.
And for much of the conflict Israel has behaved better.
Batman: "How many have I killed by letting you live?"
Joker: "I never kept count!"
Batman: "I DID."
Joker: "I know! And I love ya for it."
Evil people know that good people don't WANT to hurt innocents and they WILL hide behind them to get away with murder. There comes a point where you have to stop letting evil people get away with it, even if it means getting your hands dirty. It's good that you might place importance on the moral high ground and try as hard as you can NOT to cause collateral damage and innocent deaths but at some point you simply have to recognize that ending the threat may be worth a short-term sacrifice.
Otherwise the threat never ends...and the sacrifices keep happening.
Well said Ben! These kids are ignorant, misinformed and always siding with underdog, regardless if they are terrorists.
I commend that guy for just saying thankyou and walking away when shown he was wrong. Most student at these things dont act the same.
Ben is right, Hamas are to blame for all of this, what cowards, if Hitler had put women and children on the front on their planes, tanks and submarines, would these people still say don’t attack them, just let them come for us.
Hitler did put children In the front lines. At the end of the war do defend Berlin.
Ben explains so eloquently. One awesome individual. Unfortunately, you can't fight stupid
Ever seen it happen where a bullied person gets accused for being bullied, and the bully gets a pass?
Yes, and Israel is the bully as they are the occupiers of the West Bank and Gaza(by means of land, air, and sea).
Right on point, both of you.
Amen Ben🙏
Well done Ben. We abhor innocents being victims, but the terrorists are responsible not the Jewish defenders. A General of the Union army in America’s Civil War once said “war is all hell and you cannot refine it” Times have not changed, War is still hell. May God yet intervene.
These videos are so important. Thank you.
Hamas pays for international support in the currency of its own civilian casualties. But they aren't really casualties because they are murdered victims of Hamas. That is pure evil.
You mentioned child level morality. That it is. We need to wrap our heads around the fact that there is no morality,integrity,honesty in most of our societies. To live bravely is to maintain your beliefs,morals,honour and integrity. This has happened each generation. 25 years ago I bought into this sort of thing. It has been only with age and what little wisdom I have gained that the scales have fallen from my eyes.
The level of logic with the questions being asked at all shows how people are unable to think.
I appreciate that this young man at some point knows when to quit unlike so many.
Who would've thought war is terrible. I recommend not starting wars to avoid civilian deaths. It's fascinating no one who raises this question puts any of the blame on hamas.
My god ! He said "please explain" . For Australians it had shades of Pauline Hanson.
One of the causes of this problem is the unwillingness of the arab people in gaza to stand up against hamas in the first place and the west and the rest of the worlds turning a blind eye and even complicitness with hamas and supporters of terrorist groups so the rest of the world holds some responsibility to this terrible situation.
It’s basic logic and reason tied to morality that is the difference. Israel is doing just that.
I don't know why that student could not figure all of that out for himself.
Go, Ben!
The citizens that Hamas is hiding among elected Hamas.. and still the Jews are going farther than any other nation ever has in war to avoid civilian deaths in urban combat.
Israel wants to be an open modern democracy free from constant aggression by Muslims. The world seems to not want to let them do that. 😢
What's evil is letting hamas get away with it.
How do you change people who have been taught from childhood to hate
Mary Ann
These "students" are the future engineers, doctors, pilots, soldiers, senators, congressmen, firefighters etc. etc..... Good luck world😢
What is it about the meaning of WAR do these people not comprehend?
They're taught the Marxist model.
I'd love if Shapiro debated Finkelstein, Maté, Gideon Levy or Miko Peled over this topic, but no... He'd rather debate some students instead of educated jews 💀
Please explain how Leftist = educated.
@@avkay12 the fuck left or right has to do with it? 💀 Those are real jews, who do not follow Israel propaganda
Answering that question on simple moral grounds may seem easy (for some). But the clarity in his response - "why the question itself is not valid". That response could only come from a Marvel-Superhero mind and it's the stuff of legend.