To all the weird communism loving tankies in the comments. The only people being paid to parrot governments on TH-cam are the likes of Tim Pool However, if America wants to pay me for having a correct opinion, I am very open to that. I would love more money for existing.
also, recently, India also landed on the moon. Could you do a video about their success as well as what went wrong with Russia's mission to the moon? Both would be interesting topics.
Tankies are everywhere. 50 centers even more so. If a 50 center is hurling vitriol or whataboutism at you, then you’re probably saying something that is true.
A few decades ago, national geographic had an article on people living in the junk path of the Soviet space program. Unspent fuel was in the groundwater and one photo stood out... a pic of about a dozen boys all born with the same arm missing.
I'm sure they'd love to. Unfortunately for them, they are a private company and the FAA would bitch-slap their ass so hard they'd leave orbit if they ever tried that.
The craziest thing is that area is home to a lot of hot springs that locals go to vacation at. Imagine you're chilling in a hot spring when that thing comes down on you lmao
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@@alexedelweiss3267 socialism is worker control of the means of production aka economic democracy. Communism is a moneyless, classless, stateless society. China is neither.
My 9th grade Physics teacher used to work in the NASA office that would track near earth orbit debris and once in 2008, China launched a satellite, and the proceeded to launch a missile and blew up their own satellite. This greatly annoyed everyone in his office because one object with a transponder had become thousands of smaller objects without transponders
Did you teacher also give you the context that Russia and the US also performed similar anti satellite tests starting from the late 50s, with their most recent being in 2008. The US anti satellite test in 1985 against a US satellite Solwind p78 left debris in orbit that stayed for 20years until 2004. If your teacher didn't give you any of that context, then they did you a disservice.
We are 3-5 such crashes away from full on Kessler syndrome i.e. runaway increase in debris due to uncontrolled collisions of existing satellites and increasing amount of debris.
@@tallest4eva There's no need to resort to whataboutism. This is an annoying and catastrophic issue that will be to everyone's detriment no matter which parties contributed.
@@michaelpettersson4919 Speed is huge for anti satellite weapons, they are meant to be used to get rid of a satellite before your enemy even knows what is going on. If your enemy knows you are trying to get their satellite, and you telegraph exactly which one you are targeting by slowing down along side it to catch it/attach to it, then your enemy could just use the orbital maneuvering system of the satellite to make that much harder, if not impossible.
I saw people in the comments talking about the "please adjust your location quickly" and I want to say that's actually ONLY A PART of the actual message. The real message is shown in the video however it is in chinese. BECAUSE THE VIDEO ONLY TRANSLATED ONE SENTENCE IT CAUSED MANY MISUNDERSTANDINGS!! Here is the full translation of the actual message shown in the video which was in chinese: According to the notice from the superior, the Xichang Satellite Launch Center will conduct a launch operation at around 9 am on November 23, 2019. Fourteen villages, including [lists villages], are located in the area where satellite debris might fell. At that time, please CUT OFF THE POWER AT HOME 20 MINUTES IN ADVANCE AND GO TO THE SHELTER (THAT WAS MADE FOR THIS PURPOSE). If you see an object falling from the air, please adjust your position quickly to avoid being hurt. If you find any debris, please do not approach or pick it up, because it may contain chemicals that are harmful to the human body. If you find rocket debris, please contact the village committee immediately. Please pass this message to others. I hope this clarifies some misunderstandings, thank you for taking the time to read this :)
The Space Shuttle is a useful comparison to the Long March 5B in that it also had no upper (second) stage, but unlike the Long March, the Shuttle did NOT drop rocket stages on unsuspecting villages in Africa. The Shuttle accomplished this by very intentionally shutting its main engines just short of actually reaching orbit. It would jettison its multi-ton orange external tank which, because it was still in a suborbital trajectory, would fall back down, into a KNOWN & PRE-PLANNED location in the ocean. The tank-less Shuttle would now use the small, built-in orbital maneuvering thrusters (OMS) to add that last bit of energy to achieve orbital velocity. The Shuttle's first flight was in 1981. It was built in the 70s. Design began in the 60s. This has been a well understood problem with a known solution for half a century: shut down first stage engines prior to orbit, then use small thrusters or a kickstage for final orbital insertion. China does what it does because it just doesn't give a f*ck. I even heard them at one news conference trying to gaslight the world by referring to the giant first stage as an UPPER (second) stage (meaning only the side boosters were the first stage) and claiming that it's "standard practice" around the world to leave upper stages to deorbit on their own, in an uncontrolled manner. Technically both the Long March 5B and the Space Shuttle orbiter are what some people call a first stage sustainer.. Nobody calls it a second (upper) stage.
This is the difference between the transparent kind of progress that you see in democracies (where the government is held responsible by the society) and the progress-at-all-costs mentality of totalitarian and near-totalitarian countries which, as you so accurately put it, "don't give a f*ck" (because they don't have to).
@@reddmst Bub the Soviets also do it. Your ideological oversimplifying is just that. Funny how it's the west that's complaining more rather than the supposed victims in Africa. Cos your narrative serves your interests and ideology.
yeah the lack of long term vision is overly clear with the Chinese. All they care about is the competition as if they have something to prove. Stinks of ultimate arrogance. Not to mention the complete lack of concern for the public safety. On top of that, most of the chinese people hate what their govt is doing.
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@@AndrewSellers it's there version of critical green energy theory. The only solution to carbon emissions is to use more carbon emissions beyond equity ☣️
The Long March 6A might be even worse than the 5B, because with the 6A, the second stage keeps breaking apart while in orbit and just makes the mess there even bigger.
@@LTrotsky21stCentury Not many, but when each such breakup is generating several hundred pieces of space debris.... (for context there's about 20k tracked pieces of large space debris, increasing that by a couple percentage points in one go is a lot...)
@@sage5296 There are 36,000+ objects larger than 10cm (and nearly a million less than that), almost all of it put there by U.S. and European countries. What percent of this is from China, again?
@@LTrotsky21stCenturyIdeally it would be zero percent. The problem is that China seems determined to catch up with the US and Euros in polluting the orbit, and that's bad.
You didn't mention a important info regarding the Beidou positioning system/network: the current version is fully usable with passive receivers, just like GPS, Galileo or GLONASS. In fact modern chips in most phones support all these systems and are pure receivers. While it has the feature for two way communication this is not not relevant for consumer devices, the senders are more expensive, have bigger antennas and consume too much power. So the are only viable for vehicles, especially military. Tracking of individuals happens via cell phone towers on the ground and software on our phones that shares the location via internet connection...
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Its disappointing to see this channel sucumb to making garbage claims for views. If Beidou had two way communication for tracking on a personal level it's better than starlink- and predates it by a decade. This kind of stupid fearmongering claim as well as the fusion video really showed me the decline in quality for Real Engineering... I think its time I unsubscribed after years of enjoyment.
Yeah, I was wondering when a small hand held device had 2 way communication with a sat on geo synch / MEO orbit. If that was so easy and does not need bigger antennas, everyone will be using some form of sat phones already.
@@monkeyman2233-g9o The difference is Starlink is held to U.S laws. Meanwhile, the CCP keep pretending they have jurisdiction over the whole internet and keep trying to go after people exposing it. Not to mention Starlink is more tuned to civilian use, while Beidou is clearly intended for military use. Between "dual-use" and "we totally don't intend to militarise those artificial islands...", we have no reason to trust the CCP on this.
This part is where the video is lacking. The notice first and foremost ask everyone to hide in shelters, before saying "run if stuff drop from the sky" and "don't pick up debris because they could be toxic". Should have provided the whole translation for whoever interested. Though, I agree this practice is exploiting the faith of the residents.
@@stevenhe3462 people aren't good at analyzing long term risk of hazardous materials, so you shouldn't leave it up to them to be able to go close. These farmers are not rocket scientists, so they have no way of knowing how seriously they should take the warning, so probably won't take it as seriously as they need to. These guidelines from China are just the bare minimum to cover their butts, not actually very useful.
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@@stevenhe3462 *Revelation 3:20* Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. HEY THERE 🤗 JESUS IS CALLING YOU TODAY. Turn away from your sins, confess, forsake them and live the victorious life. God bless. Revelation 22:12-14 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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@@Sirawxy there have been many channels/videos sponsored by ground news, i just haven't seen one where the segue into the sponsor ad part was like 2-3mins long, not counting the actual sponsor ad itself. when i could already deduce it's going to be ground news within 2 sentences into the segue.
Things started sounding bright when you began talking about the Long March 5 and LOX based fuels, only for the 5B to return the safety issues back to square one....
Just to clarify, the rocket fell near populated area is not a Long-March rocket, it is a Tianlong-3 rocket developed by a private company Space Pioneer.
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Worse. These are hypergolic fuels. They are some of the most toxic and reactive compounds that exist. Hydrazine is the stuff of nightmares and the other hypergolic compounds aren't much better. They are used often for reaction control but early space rockers and especially Soviet rockets made use of them extensively due to being simple to ignite which was helpful during early rocketry. The issue is CNSA got their blueprints mainly from stuff inspired by the soviets and they kinda still use those to this day. They have better tech but they just do not feel the need to change.
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@@mobiuscoreindustries The US TItan II used hydrazane/MMH and Nitrogen Tetroxide for decades, but yeah. Also, they make fuel storage and ignition much easier
@@belacickekl7579 I would point out there is a difference between a missile used for the end of the world but otherwise sits around and something you are actively using. Not a real defense of having the stuff but an important distinction none the less.
To fellow viewers/consumers of this video: Be aware that the actual video-essay ends at 13:20, and after that the transition is so smooth as to almost be invisible to an ad-read for Ground News.
he is an Elon fan, i take everything he says with a grain of salt, i like SpaceX only because of their engineers not Elon himself, but some people seem to be crediting the man way too much
@@Dumb-Comment I feel like it should be possible in practice for someone to appreciate an individual for what they contribute to in a specific field without agreeing to said individuals political beliefs. Maybe I don't watch enough Scott Manley, but his videos hardly every support Elon for his politics - its largely only appreciation for what he has done in the aerospace community. Having said that, I ask what makes you think Scott is less worth your time/ less trustworthy. He doesn't come off to me as some super conservative political figure - he's just really passionate about aerospace, no?
@@Dumb-Commentif you think he is a fan of Elon then you haven’t been paying attention. He is a fan of space, and companies launching are interesting to him. He has on a number of occasions been critical.
At least Scott is more neutral on things than this channel or its friend Wendover. Really most of the Nebula set are quite biased. On both foreign AND domestic issues. Probably due to them all being Sam's (from Wendover) friends, with similar worldviews.
@@user-wv3ew8qq7m yes, but this doesnt actually specify the exposure, how long am i breathing this air? what density is said air? if there were only 1,000,000 atoms in the atmosphere and 115 of them were nitrogen dioxide, a single breathe of air wouldnt contain even a trace of nitrogen dioxide... or air, but you get my point
@@nobodyinparticular968 this other thing I just found says, "[Human] exposure above 150 ppm for 30 min to an hour results in fatal pulmonary edema or asphyxia and can result in rapid death" www ncbi nlm nih gov/books/NBK230446/
Yeah, it's the weird state capitalism thing. Kind of like Tencent which at the same time is both a massive company with lobbyism-like sway on the Communist Party and also state-controlled technology investment fund.
The footage at the start was not one of those first stage rockets you talk about that are made to fall by design. That one was meant to be a ground test for the engine, but the fixation device failed and it got launched by accident.
I wouldn't classify Columbia in the same category as the other uncontrolled re-entries because it wasn't on purpose. There's a significant difference between "something went horrifically wrong" and "meh, screw it, we'll just drop some burning toxic wreckage out of the sky."
@@zacksmith5963 In Kerbal Space Program you can create aircraft in the "Spaceplane" hangar. Was a joke to that portion of the game. In this instance the joke would be China is the Rocket Division and Boeing is the Aircraft "Spaceplane" division. Now we have to hop on over to Sneed's Feed and Seed (Formerly Chuck's)
2:22 can anyone tell me why the United States would give their satellite to China whilst they have such an extensive space program and fully knowing the china always tries to meddle with their tech if given a chance!?
Its 1996, the bogeyman back then (Soviet) is gone and US have no interest in alienating CCP. China only became "a problem" when there's no unifying external threat left available. Otherwise the US and China has always been lukewarm and stay at each other's way. IIRC, at this point in time, US also exploring RD family reliability. And with questionable results from the Chinese, they settle to subcontract some launches to the Russians.
BeiDou, while supporting Bi-Directional communication, does not require Bi-Directional communications to operate. Many GNSS chipsets out there that are strictly receivers and supporting BeiDou do not have the transmitters. Very few GPSr's support communication back to satellites, and the vast majority of those do not transmit to GNSS systems, but to other communication satellites like Iridium Sats, for communications in remote areas, more used as a safety-net than anything else and a solid alternative to a Sat Phone.
Ever heard of the Gobi desert? Yes, China has a large swath of empty land like Baikonur in Kazakhstan and then posts up on its eastern edge to launch further east, towards where people live.
Boosters of rockets do just fall back to the Earth. Before SpaceX US rockets like Saturn V booster stages also fall back to Earth but into the sea (because geographically possible). Whenever China conducts a rocket launch, they also calculate where booster stages will land and temporary cordon off the area. It is not a great solution but long march rocket family has its origins in the 70s probably based on much older Soviet tech. Its rumored that they are working on reusable rockets where booster can land back on Earth much like the Falcon 9. When the video says there are alternative, there isn't in the storable category.
Well, no. With US launches the deorbit and landing point of the first stage was known accurately and both sea and air traffic were prohibited in the area during the launch. Also the US first stages didn't reach orbit as the Chinese do, but instead had a ballistic trajectory; once you're at LEO it's much harder to predict where it lands, as is the case with the Chinese, ie, it just lands wherever it happens to land.
All the GPS tracking stuff was an awful part. It makes no sense at all. Theres no need for a positioning system to receive informations in order for you to be tracked.
The video clip used for multiple times is the rocket booster that failed to secure during a engine test from a private company. "Real Engineering"? lol
…aaaand you’re cutting Real Engineering off his piece of that sweet 1,6B pie, is that what you’re trying to do? After all, if people wanted facts, they wouldn’t be hitting a clickbait video like this, y’know.
@@2005batman good to see the 5 cent army is still going strong, they let you guys work from home yet you do they still pack you into an office building with those cool bouncy nets around the windows?
The locations of the launch pads are closer to the inner regions not only just for military reasons. But also for international political reasons. China made all of their rocket test sites and launch pads far away from their shorelines and borders with major nations because they don't want to make them feel too threatened. Cause if China launch over Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan they and the US will panic and don't know which one is a ballistic missile or a space rocket (especially in the 70s or 80s). So rather than an international incident in the time when they were still weak they would rather risk the rockets falling in their own lands.
@@thelastant8366but that is exactly what they want you to believe even today, like China is always making nonsense inhuman decisions to...survive for thousands of years. That's how "free speech" works nowadays.
Intelsat 708, 1996. Officially the death toll was 6, but half the town was destroyed. Plus, rocket fuel is extremely toxic. Rescue crews weren't able to go into the city even after the fires were out.
the video claims its china 5head move to hide the real rockets that are 1million years ahead of the US and have stealth technology thats why no one was ever able to film it or see it.
I am trying to understand why China has so many problems, but is it still developing so quickly? We didn't believe China could build any structure in space, but now? We have been saying that China's economy is crumbling, yet after so many years, their GDP growth is still one of the best? Why why why?????
Because the US and Europe keep buying too much stuff from communist China while communist China buys less and less from the US and Europe. That's massive surplus for China and deficit/loss for the US and Europe. That's how communist China gets money because Chinese domestic market is weak so China relies on exports mainly to the US and Europe. And when the US and Europe are de-risking from China, China is angry and complains.
Cause your perception of “China bad” is artificial. It’s manufactured by the western mainstream media. If you care to look through the double standards, the USA has even worse problems😢 but it still got the title of “city on a hill”
"We don't receive a lot of news about China, in the west, and when we do, its usually presented with some level of western bias. Even when a journalist is aware of their own bias, its not always easy to eliminate it completely, while working under time constraints." meanwhile, in the video you did not have the same "constraints" as a journalist (who is paid to say the right thing) and suggest China has a more severe surveillance state than the west already has in place. They also have to separate their internet for several reasons, yet this is another certified see see pee W you would probably also call some authoritarian (insert dribble)
SpaceX gets a hell of a lot of criticism with most of its critics looking the other way when handfuls of other companies/countries do absolutely foul things
@jaylay2964 of course, that goes without saying. What I'm getting at is the level of public criticism for a company that's actually extremely solid relative to everyone else.
@@NikoBee90SpaceX deserves the criticisms, so as what they are doing in china. But hey, Elon himself can't seem to criticise the chinese for some reason.
Obviously, the author wants you to have an impression that China's Beidou navigation system must work on both sending and receiving concurrently. The fact is only when you pay and open the sending service you can send back your location. This model works for rescue purpose. if you close the sending, then, Beidou just works the same as GPS. is more choice a bad thing? the author is funny!
They are only doing what we have been doing. What is the problem? Let them advance their space program and progress as we have done in the past. We aren't the only ones capable of doing this.
Ah yes, two brand-new channels with generic auto-generated names pretending to be Western citizens that dislike content critical of the CCP. How totally not suspicious!
ya man don't you know Chinese engineers can't read so they need to make all the same mistakes and entirely new ones that NASA and the EUSA made in the 70s and 80s. cause they are once again too stupid to realize that blowing up a satellite in orbit is a bad idea that creates a cloud of hypersonic bullets or that launching from an inland site means boosters MAY just happen to fall on people, or any of the other hundreds of things they could literally just ASK any other agency how to do, instead they do it their own way that way they get to say they discovered that their fuel is shit and they should switch to a new one, or that they need a launch site on the coast, cause you could NEVER find any of that out without doing it yourself. great to see you hold such high regard for china you treat them like a child that keeps trying to put its hand on a hot stove.
@@eng-xv8bc Thing is, no one wants to hear china doing well, so that forms a natural information blockade, and any information that goes through would just be suspicious, and whoever does let the information through would be treated as “parroting”. This also means anyone who are clueless just accepts what’s there, it’s kinda sad. It’s not like every space program in the world aren’t like what’s in the video, casualties, horrible fuel choices, precision striking, these things existed since the birth of rockets.
For those interested in the flyer, there actually are more about evacuation than just telling the citizens to run. These villagers are offered to move with a payment and are compensated each time a rocket is launched. some of them just choose to stay. maybe next time just try to have less bias and more thinking
There is no bias, he knew he was just copying stupid US propaganda. On the video he made before that he had flown to the Artic on a military plane, so it seems he's either returning the favor since the US military allow a foreigner have access to their plane/facilities, etc. and/or he's pleasing them because he expects to make more videos like that.
10:58 wait how can this even function? GPS works like a constellation, the satellites are like stars, your receiver only observes them, because after all they are up in GEO. how can something like a phone establish in any way a communication channel reliably with something in GEO sounds absurd, and even if you have a big ass receiver....can you just not contact the satellite? Again they are beacon, you can observe their signal and then reference your database map to know which satellites you are observing. If any two way communication mode exists I bet its optional and potentially aided by ground stations. Frankly it makes me distrust any other info in this video, even if I suspect they are true, since it's easy and always has been easy for military projects to ignore safety everywhere in the world and especially in china where safety culture is still not developed.
Yeah, he's basically wrong there. I could see it being useful for recording distress signals from say aircraft or search and rescue, but if they wanted to discreetly spy on people, it's much easier to do that over cellular networks. Also that whole bit didn't really add much to the video other than to reinforce some "China bad" political narrative. If this was a Vox video or something, that might be more acceptable. But this is supposed to be a channel about engineering, and I would hope that he would discuss in more detail the engineering challenges that the Chinese space agency is facing, instead of discussing the politics of the CCP.
A "real engineer" would know that doesn't make any sense, let alone putting it in a video. Makes the entire channel completely suspect and untrustworthy The part about the ship being suspected of carrying chemical weapons, he also intentionally omitted the part where the ship was searched by the US and nothing was found. TH-camrs like this lose their audiences and should
Being chinese, and studied and immigrated to the west, I find that most westerners don't understand how chinese or even asians think. Chinese/Asian cultures are mostly collectivistic, teaching the insignificance of the individuals to the society. This is the opposite of western cultures, which value individuality. This could be cultural, or could be the result of a large population relative to limited resources. This means lives of individuals are insignificant, cheap, and expendable to the society and government. This is why Chinese tend to have a high savings rate, cares deeply about family, but little about anyone else in society -- because when individuals are expendable, the only one you can rely on is yourself and your family.
That's the gist of what I noticed when I visited the In-laws in China, there was an evident lack of courtesy and just not really caring about anything other than your family/friends. I'd say thanks and help people out which sometimes resulted in some level of surprise and gratitude. I did notice a lot of public service announcements about being a more courteous individual so I think the government is attempting to correct citizen behaviour.
No, we all understand that. That is even the stereotype totally uneducated people have of China. We just don't agree with it. Just because it's your "culture" doesn't mean it's beyond criticism.
if you see a Hyper Sonic Intercontinental ballistic missile with Nuclear warhead falling from the sky at Mach 10 Please adjust your location quickly to avoid any harm - Chinese Communist Party
NASA : "Houston we need to change estimated crash coordinates to avoid crashing into areas with population" CCP / CNSA : "Time has come to screw people with dystopian orange smoke!"
I'm not on China side by any means but I love how we look down our nose at people when we ourselves have blown up satellites in space and regardless of what was said it was done for military purposes just to show that we could
China's approach to a lot of things definitely deserves criticism and a lot of it. Just not from people who have gobbled up the sinophobic pill so deep they're doing NAFO level bs for free.
Stories like these highlight the need for greater responsibility in scientific and industrial pursuits. It’s a sobering reminder that progress must always be balanced with environmental stewardship to protect future generations.
I find it funny how you advertise for unbiased News on China but use biased language against China in your video. When someone in China does or says something you act like China itself or the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) said it or did that. Yet when someone in the West says or does something it was that person or institution, e.g. NASA or a worker at NASA. This then creates a notion that in China literally everything is controlled by the CCP. Like every single step. This kind of language reinforces a stereotype that China is purely authoritarian and the West is absolutely democratic. Some examples in this Video: The statement that the villagers should watch out for falling Debrie came from the CCP? I doubt that, it came probably from the Chinese equivalent of NASA. The statement from the former director at NASA or something like that, that space agencies should minimize things falling on people or property and should be open about what they do. If that statement came from someone working for the Chinese space agency then most likely you would have used a phrase like: China says that... Once you look for subtle language manipulation like this, you realize that it can be found in every corner of us media
@@mpwest929 The narrative of the video focusing too much on the immorality in the Chinese space program, instead of discussing actual engineering. It presents mistranslations (the evacuation letter) and misinformation (GPS being used to track phones) as evidence of how "bad" China is. And then pins a comment of themselves saying their opinion is correct, which is funny considering his opinion is apparently based on false information. So this isn't an engineering video, its just him ranting about how evil he thinks China is. I wouldn't have said anything if the focus on the video was their use of poisonous fuel or how badly they handled de-orbiting their crafts, since both are interesting information, along with other interesting FACTS about their design principles, technology, etc... Like I was really interested to know how different their technology was to NASA's or SpaceX's, but instead I got a bunch of "China bad".
Well, you still didn't do enough research to reduce your bias. First thing first. Villages on the trajectory will be informed before hand. I don't see any problem of such notice saying 'if you see a falling object, run fast'. What is it supposed to say, stay still? Isn't the reason people were running in such an accident shows they were not prepared even though the local government had informed them. And they didn't prepare because accidents are rare. And we do have villagers talk about their experience online. 'Sometime, the launch was at night so we go to the mountains to see if there are debris falling. Some people wish their old house get hit because they could use compensation to build a new one.' Surely there are problems but it is not how you made people believe it to be. Plus, you talked about launching from 'coastline' as if Chinese coastal areas are less populated and launching from there are less dangerous for residents there while, "surprisingly" you failed to mention, the current locations have less villages around them. And secondly, I don't think the security concern is something you could slightly brush off. Location in mountains causes damages but the potential strike on our rocket launching centers is more unacceptable. Isn't US government grumbling about 'threats from China' and block even normal scientific collaborations for no reason these days? A good example of compromises made for nation security. And the most important history reason you failed to mention: these launch basis were first built for military uses. And China moved its military factories to mountain areas far from Russia, or the former USSR, because of the nuclear threat Khrushchev claimed. And the rocket basis was, reasonably, placed near its suppliers. Without this context, you made the worry of adversaries sounds unnecessary while it was totally valid. Better learn more about east Asia geopolitics first. NASA's ban is more like an excuse. If they care SO MUCH about foreigners' safety, then why it doesn't stop collaborating with SpaceX whose debris uncontrollably fell on Australian farms? Why they use double standard when it comes to their own projects huh? And don't forget Manhattan project excluded British scientists from the core programs even though they are the ones proposed nuclear weapon, calling for attention to nuclear threats, and suggested US government of its importance. They just don't want to share their technology. Nothing new. And like UK, we built on our own.
@@JulieQ-qf5ho in what? destroying freedoms? ruining Hong Kong? bothering Taiwan? helping Russia? banning books? imprisoning muslims and falon gong? how's your building industry? anyway get off youtube or you'll get in trouble. rofl.
@@JulieQ-qf5ho Evergrande, tofu dreg building, bothering Taiwan, supporting Russia, locking falon gong and muslims up, banning books, restricting internet access. yes, china is great.
To all the weird communism loving tankies in the comments. The only people being paid to parrot governments on TH-cam are the likes of Tim Pool
However, if America wants to pay me for having a correct opinion, I am very open to that. I would love more money for existing.
who knew RealEngineering could get more based
also, recently, India also landed on the moon. Could you do a video about their success as well as what went wrong with Russia's mission to the moon? Both would be interesting topics.
Tankies are everywhere. 50 centers even more so. If a 50 center is hurling vitriol or whataboutism at you, then you’re probably saying something that is true.
Don't listen to most Americans, as an american.
You can only love communism if you never lived in one. Trust me. Ain't workin chief
"Please adjust your location quickly" got me
aka "RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN"
That's not even the bare minimum. That's nothing.
That's like rapid dissasembly
Does adjusting your location from the beer fridge to the couch, count?
*WHY ARE YOU RUNNING?*
See any coloured gas? Run.
too late
@@AnotherPointOfView944 I mean if you can see it, why not run.
My farts included
Any colored gas see you, run. Stop bulling colored gasses.
@@VinayakP Because that makes you breathe more heavily.
Whenever you see fuming oxidiser, just run
Hypergolic fuel?
@@Owlzz_yes
In China, you didn't run away from fuming oxidiser... fuming oxidiser is run to you.
I'm just going to light a cigarette and...
mmmh. Pumpking Spice.
A few decades ago, national geographic had an article on people living in the junk path of the Soviet space program. Unspent fuel was in the groundwater and one photo stood out... a pic of about a dozen boys all born with the same arm missing.
:(
World is absolutely nuts, no one can really comprehend a sight like that…
The same arm? Huh
It's bad enough they were made to share the arm but for it to then go missing just adds insult to injury
@@ufc990 the same arm and all boys. Whatever they were putting in their booster rockets back then was cutting right to the dna in that village.
🇨🇳 🔈: “Citizen, do not get squished”
That's texas
我来自中国🇨🇳😂
@@qianqingwang-o5vbad commie bad! You can’t flip over walls!
We're happy you didn't get squished 😅 @qianqingwang-o5v
@@leroybarron6005..Yet😅
Can you imagine if SPaceX announced a launch and informed people of Texas to “adjust your location if a rocket falls?”
They do kinda do that
They already tell you to move before any launch
Yes but not because they plan to deliberately drop a booster on the location. @@johnsonfromml8662
@@HalNordmann no
for you to think that should make you reevaluate your life
I'm sure they'd love to. Unfortunately for them, they are a private company and the FAA would bitch-slap their ass so hard they'd leave orbit if they ever tried that.
2:17
Holy sh*t. Imagine you're just minding your own business, farming and stuff, and then a goddamn _space rocket_ hits your village out of nowhere.
That's when you're supposed to "adjust your location quickly"!!🤣🏃♀🏃♀🏃♀🏃♀🏃♂🏃♂
"You haven't seen anything" -Government
@@ARWest-bp4ybBruh💀😆
The craziest thing is that area is home to a lot of hot springs that locals go to vacation at. Imagine you're chilling in a hot spring when that thing comes down on you lmao
It was not even a first stage rocket, that thing was a rocket engine test that took off.
14:01 "I decided my audience was intelligent enough"
Me: "bold of you to assume I have more than two brain cells"
Nice one, but I have faith in you total stranger.
BBC: This machine is a typical of forced labour
CNN: The overcapacity of Chinese moon landing
DW: Chang'e 6, the dark side of the dark side of the moon
"Adjust your location" is on par comically with "duck and cover."
Facts!
They don't worry about their own people they got a billion extra
BBC: This machine is a typical of forced labour
CNN: The overcapacity of Chinese moon landing
DW: Chang'e 6, the dark side of the dark side of the moon
That's socialism/communism. The people only exist to serve the government that represents the "common collective interest" of the people.
@@alexedelweiss3267 socialism is worker control of the means of production aka economic democracy.
Communism is a moneyless, classless, stateless society.
China is neither.
My 9th grade Physics teacher used to work in the NASA office that would track near earth orbit debris and once in 2008, China launched a satellite, and the proceeded to launch a missile and blew up their own satellite. This greatly annoyed everyone in his office because one object with a transponder had become thousands of smaller objects without transponders
A proper anti satellite weapon avoid creating debris. Maybe something that attatch to a satellite and deorbit it?
Did you teacher also give you the context that Russia and the US also performed similar anti satellite tests starting from the late 50s, with their most recent being in 2008. The US anti satellite test in 1985 against a US satellite Solwind p78 left debris in orbit that stayed for 20years until 2004. If your teacher didn't give you any of that context, then they did you a disservice.
We are 3-5 such crashes away from full on Kessler syndrome i.e. runaway increase in debris due to uncontrolled collisions of existing satellites and increasing amount of debris.
@@tallest4eva There's no need to resort to whataboutism. This is an annoying and catastrophic issue that will be to everyone's detriment no matter which parties contributed.
@@michaelpettersson4919 Speed is huge for anti satellite weapons, they are meant to be used to get rid of a satellite before your enemy even knows what is going on. If your enemy knows you are trying to get their satellite, and you telegraph exactly which one you are targeting by slowing down along side it to catch it/attach to it, then your enemy could just use the orbital maneuvering system of the satellite to make that much harder, if not impossible.
I saw people in the comments talking about the "please adjust your location quickly" and I want to say that's actually ONLY A PART of the actual message. The real message is shown in the video however it is in chinese. BECAUSE THE VIDEO ONLY TRANSLATED ONE SENTENCE IT CAUSED MANY MISUNDERSTANDINGS!!
Here is the full translation of the actual message shown in the video which was in chinese:
According to the notice from the superior, the Xichang Satellite Launch Center will conduct a launch operation at around 9 am on November 23, 2019. Fourteen villages, including [lists villages], are located in the area where satellite debris might fell. At that time, please CUT OFF THE POWER AT HOME 20 MINUTES IN ADVANCE AND GO TO THE SHELTER (THAT WAS MADE FOR THIS PURPOSE). If you see an object falling from the air, please adjust your position quickly to avoid being hurt. If you find any debris, please do not approach or pick it up, because it may contain chemicals that are harmful to the human body. If you find rocket debris, please contact the village committee immediately. Please pass this message to others.
I hope this clarifies some misunderstandings, thank you for taking the time to read this :)
it would be greatly apreciated if this message can be pinned thank you
Idk what you think this clarifies tbh that's about what I expected
This does not make China look any better.
This is exactly what everyone expected from watching the video, you didn't clarify anything, you proved their point.
“village committee” lmfao
The Space Shuttle is a useful comparison to the Long March 5B in that it also had no upper (second) stage, but unlike the Long March, the Shuttle did NOT drop rocket stages on unsuspecting villages in Africa. The Shuttle accomplished this by very intentionally shutting its main engines just short of actually reaching orbit. It would jettison its multi-ton orange external tank which, because it was still in a suborbital trajectory, would fall back down, into a KNOWN & PRE-PLANNED location in the ocean. The tank-less Shuttle would now use the small, built-in orbital maneuvering thrusters (OMS) to add that last bit of energy to achieve orbital velocity. The Shuttle's first flight was in 1981. It was built in the 70s. Design began in the 60s. This has been a well understood problem with a known solution for half a century: shut down first stage engines prior to orbit, then use small thrusters or a kickstage for final orbital insertion. China does what it does because it just doesn't give a f*ck.
I even heard them at one news conference trying to gaslight the world by referring to the giant first stage as an UPPER (second) stage (meaning only the side boosters were the first stage) and claiming that it's "standard practice" around the world to leave upper stages to deorbit on their own, in an uncontrolled manner. Technically both the Long March 5B and the Space Shuttle orbiter are what some people call a first stage sustainer.. Nobody calls it a second (upper) stage.
Lol this, the last time you saw sustainer stages being left in orbit was literally when Sputnik and Atlas was launching in the late 1950's lol.
And besides, upper stages tend to get deorbited in a controlled manner anyway
@@HalNordmannyes the FAA won't grant a launch license without a deorbit plan for everything.
This is the difference between the transparent kind of progress that you see in democracies (where the government is held responsible by the society) and the progress-at-all-costs mentality of totalitarian and near-totalitarian countries which, as you so accurately put it, "don't give a f*ck" (because they don't have to).
@@reddmst Bub the Soviets also do it. Your ideological oversimplifying is just that. Funny how it's the west that's complaining more rather than the supposed victims in Africa. Cos your narrative serves your interests and ideology.
Did I miss a mention of the Long March 6A, the rocket where the upper stages like to explode in orbit? Pretty worrying, for a number of reasons.
#spacejunk
they made a movie about it, soon to be considered a documentary
yeah the lack of long term vision is overly clear with the Chinese. All they care about is the competition as if they have something to prove. Stinks of ultimate arrogance. Not to mention the complete lack of concern for the public safety. On top of that, most of the chinese people hate what their govt is doing.
BBC: This machine is a typical of forced labour
CNN: The overcapacity of Chinese moon landing
DW: Chang'e 6, the dark side of the dark side of the moon
@@AndrewSellers it's there version of critical green energy theory. The only solution to carbon emissions is to use more carbon emissions beyond equity ☣️
The Long March 6A might be even worse than the 5B, because with the 6A, the second stage keeps breaking apart while in orbit and just makes the mess there even bigger.
Really? How many times has this happened?
@@LTrotsky21stCentury Not many, but when each such breakup is generating several hundred pieces of space debris....
(for context there's about 20k tracked pieces of large space debris, increasing that by a couple percentage points in one go is a lot...)
@@sage5296 There are 36,000+ objects larger than 10cm (and nearly a million less than that), almost all of it put there by U.S. and European countries. What percent of this is from China, again?
@@LTrotsky21stCenturyIdeally it would be zero percent. The problem is that China seems determined to catch up with the US and Euros in polluting the orbit, and that's bad.
@LTrotsky21stCentury ahhh yes the "they did it so I can too" defense good to know china has the reasoning skill of a 5 year old.
11:47 NASA successfully landed a rover on their first attempt in 1997. Their previous failures had been flybys or static landers.
Thank you for pointing this out. Poor research by this channel and easy enough to find if they would have looked.
You didn't mention a important info regarding the Beidou positioning system/network: the current version is fully usable with passive receivers, just like GPS, Galileo or GLONASS. In fact modern chips in most phones support all these systems and are pure receivers.
While it has the feature for two way communication this is not not relevant for consumer devices, the senders are more expensive, have bigger antennas and consume too much power. So the are only viable for vehicles, especially military.
Tracking of individuals happens via cell phone towers on the ground and software on our phones that shares the location via internet connection...
BBC: This machine is a typical of forced labour
CNN: The overcapacity of Chinese moon landing
DW: Chang'e 6, the dark side of the dark side of the moon
Its disappointing to see this channel sucumb to making garbage claims for views. If Beidou had two way communication for tracking on a personal level it's better than starlink- and predates it by a decade. This kind of stupid fearmongering claim as well as the fusion video really showed me the decline in quality for Real Engineering... I think its time I unsubscribed after years of enjoyment.
Yeah, I was wondering when a small hand held device had 2 way communication with a sat on geo synch / MEO orbit. If that was so easy and does not need bigger antennas, everyone will be using some form of sat phones already.
@@monkeyman2233-g9o The difference is Starlink is held to U.S laws. Meanwhile, the CCP keep pretending they have jurisdiction over the whole internet and keep trying to go after people exposing it. Not to mention Starlink is more tuned to civilian use, while Beidou is clearly intended for military use. Between "dual-use" and "we totally don't intend to militarise those artificial islands...", we have no reason to trust the CCP on this.
What about the "new" satellite connection in iPhones and Chinese phones?
5:28 lol, if you see a rocket coming at you, run!
This part is where the video is lacking. The notice first and foremost ask everyone to hide in shelters, before saying "run if stuff drop from the sky" and "don't pick up debris because they could be toxic".
Should have provided the whole translation for whoever interested.
Though, I agree this practice is exploiting the faith of the residents.
@@stevenhe3462 people aren't good at analyzing long term risk of hazardous materials, so you shouldn't leave it up to them to be able to go close. These farmers are not rocket scientists, so they have no way of knowing how seriously they should take the warning, so probably won't take it as seriously as they need to. These guidelines from China are just the bare minimum to cover their butts, not actually very useful.
BBC: This machine is a typical of forced labour
CNN: The overcapacity of Chinese moon landing
DW: Chang'e 6, the dark side of the dark side of the moon
That's usa😂😊
@@stevenhe3462
*Revelation 3:20*
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
HEY THERE 🤗 JESUS IS CALLING YOU TODAY. Turn away from your sins, confess, forsake them and live the victorious life. God bless.
Revelation 22:12-14
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
that's a rather long segue into ground news
Might mean he’s passionate about it
BBC: This machine is a typical of forced labour
CNN: The overcapacity of Chinese moon landing
DW: Chang'e 6, the dark side of the dark side of the moon
Ehhh, because this is not a news channel (I was suspicious of the topic they chose 😂
@@Sirawxy Probably part of the 1.6B anti-chinese propaganda congress passed. He must have received a slice from that.
@@Sirawxy there have been many channels/videos sponsored by ground news, i just haven't seen one where the segue into the sponsor ad part was like 2-3mins long, not counting the actual sponsor ad itself. when i could already deduce it's going to be ground news within 2 sentences into the segue.
The fact that this video is sponsored by ground news is the most ironic thing I have seen in a while
you went above and beyond for your sponsor there
Yup, really trying hard for that $1.6 billion propaganda money
13:54 let's standing together under our hanging rocket
Things started sounding bright when you began talking about the Long March 5 and LOX based fuels, only for the 5B to return the safety issues back to square one....
Just to clarify, the rocket fell near populated area is not a Long-March rocket, it is a Tianlong-3 rocket developed by a private company Space Pioneer.
Yeah nobody cares bro
@@stellviahohenheimAccuracy it’s so underrated nowadays bro
It's not even a rocket. It should not even be in the sky because it was only an engine that should never had lift off from the test platform.
@@stellviahohenheim i dont think westerners care abt facts.
Did you watch the video? He mentions that rocket as well. China has had many rocket failures near populated locations.
We must stop and appreciate how fkng cool the space shuttle was.
Very cool, but a massive waste of time and money. Set us back for decades.
Until it became fireworks. Musk is trying to accomplish something similar.
@@BSnicks Musk is doing what now? He's not building anything like the space shuttle.
@@Velereonics He's making fireworks!
@@BSnicksClearly they're doing something right given the amount of satellites they're able to put in orbit.
4:00 mins: Who thought it was a good idea to leave General Zod in charge of explosive fuel?
Kneel before NOx!
😂😂😂
Oh man....definitely not first. I totally thought that too! Good catch!
BBC: This machine is a typical of forced labour
CNN: The overcapacity of Chinese moon landing
DW: Chang'e 6, the dark side of the dark side of the moon
Seeing the red gas emitting from the rocket as it falls ☠️
Probably some lung-seeking nitrogen compounds
Worse.
These are hypergolic fuels. They are some of the most toxic and reactive compounds that exist. Hydrazine is the stuff of nightmares and the other hypergolic compounds aren't much better.
They are used often for reaction control but early space rockers and especially Soviet rockets made use of them extensively due to being simple to ignite which was helpful during early rocketry. The issue is CNSA got their blueprints mainly from stuff inspired by the soviets and they kinda still use those to this day. They have better tech but they just do not feel the need to change.
BBC: This machine is a typical of forced labour
CNN: The overcapacity of Chinese moon landing
DW: Chang'e 6, the dark side of the dark side of the moon
@@mobiuscoreindustries The US TItan II used hydrazane/MMH and Nitrogen Tetroxide for decades, but yeah. Also, they make fuel storage and ignition much easier
@@belacickekl7579 I would point out there is a difference between a missile used for the end of the world but otherwise sits around and something you are actively using. Not a real defense of having the stuff but an important distinction none the less.
To fellow viewers/consumers of this video: Be aware that the actual video-essay ends at 13:20, and after that the transition is so smooth as to almost be invisible to an ad-read for Ground News.
5:41 um that animation seems to show the missile firing from a very wrong place
I think that animation is from one of the Russian shootdowns. Honest mistake if you ask me
aa the rover putting down the camera to take a pic of itself is so cute
Selfie.
Wall-Eeeeeee
"Adjust your location quickly" lmao.
aka GTFO THE WAY
就喜歡你們這種拿翻譯腔當文藝片的白痴樣子
Make a video on Indian program as well. Not exactly problems but how creative decisions are very useful under strict budgets.
That fuel is the same used in the German me 163. It was said to be able to melt the pilot into nothing if a fuel leak happened.
It's not, oxidizer is different, Me 163 used hydrogen peroxide.
Please go back and wave at the astronaut if you did not already: 6:45
longest ever intro and plug for Ground News, video ends at 13:19.
So easy to read 'please adjust your location immediately' in Victor Gaos voice
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scott manley is my source of china's space program news, and he is quite good at it
he is an Elon fan, i take everything he says with a grain of salt, i like SpaceX only because of their engineers not Elon himself, but some people seem to be crediting the man way too much
@@Dumb-Comment I feel like it should be possible in practice for someone to appreciate an individual for what they contribute to in a specific field without agreeing to said individuals political beliefs. Maybe I don't watch enough Scott Manley, but his videos hardly every support Elon for his politics - its largely only appreciation for what he has done in the aerospace community.
Having said that, I ask what makes you think Scott is less worth your time/ less trustworthy. He doesn't come off to me as some super conservative political figure - he's just really passionate about aerospace, no?
@@Dumb-Commentif you think he is a fan of Elon then you haven’t been paying attention. He is a fan of space, and companies launching are interesting to him. He has on a number of occasions been critical.
@@Dumb-Commenthe’s a fan of space if you follow him at all you know he’s not a fan on Elon
At least Scott is more neutral on things than this channel or its friend Wendover. Really most of the Nebula set are quite biased. On both foreign AND domestic issues. Probably due to them all being Sam's (from Wendover) friends, with similar worldviews.
The hazard from nitrogen dioxide isn't simply that it forms nitric acid. On its own, it has an LD50 of 115 ppm
Goddamn that not a lot....
that sounds scary, but im confused by the measurements. 115 parts per million of what, and in what container?
@@nobodyinparticular968 ppm in this context, I believe, means air. So 115 parts nitrogen dioxide out of 1M parts air
@@user-wv3ew8qq7m yes, but this doesnt actually specify the exposure, how long am i breathing this air? what density is said air? if there were only 1,000,000 atoms in the atmosphere and 115 of them were nitrogen dioxide, a single breathe of air wouldnt contain even a trace of nitrogen dioxide... or air, but you get my point
@@nobodyinparticular968 this other thing I just found says, "[Human] exposure above 150 ppm for 30 min to an hour results in fatal pulmonary edema or asphyxia and can result in rapid death"
www ncbi nlm nih gov/books/NBK230446/
The efficiency with which he paired the socks in the drawer was quite admirable.
The Chinese space companies are quasi-private. They use government resources, and have to share their technology with each other.
Chinese rockets are not good, Western technology is good, China is backward, rockets are full of water
Yeah, it's the weird state capitalism thing. Kind of like Tencent which at the same time is both a massive company with lobbyism-like sway on the Communist Party and also state-controlled technology investment fund.
Also they have to be beholden to the CCP as well.
The Anglo brain cannot understand socialism with chinese characteristics.
You think SpaceX doesnt use NASA and government resources?
The footage at the start was not one of those first stage rockets you talk about that are made to fall by design.
That one was meant to be a ground test for the engine, but the fixation device failed and it got launched by accident.
The diference between a rocket and a missile is the destination.
and math
I wouldn't classify Columbia in the same category as the other uncontrolled re-entries because it wasn't on purpose. There's a significant difference between "something went horrifically wrong" and "meh, screw it, we'll just drop some burning toxic wreckage out of the sky."
Kerbal Space Program over there.
That's boeing 😂
@@zacksmith5963 Boeing is the "Spaceplane" team. XD
@@k3salieri boeing is a space program dear . Don't tell me u didn't know lol
@@zacksmith5963 In Kerbal Space Program you can create aircraft in the "Spaceplane" hangar.
Was a joke to that portion of the game.
In this instance the joke would be China is the Rocket Division and Boeing is the Aircraft "Spaceplane" division.
Now we have to hop on over to Sneed's Feed and Seed (Formerly Chuck's)
came here to learn about china and ended up learning about journalism too
Now I want RE to make a video on what he thinks about the Starship.
If he were to take a serious look at Musk's claims about Starship, then he'd lose a lot of followers
Its so cute watching the astronauts, Pretty much crawl around and wave at you all the time.
2:22 can anyone tell me why the United States would give their satellite to China whilst they have such an extensive space program and fully knowing the china always tries to meddle with their tech if given a chance!?
Cheaper
Its 1996, the bogeyman back then (Soviet) is gone and US have no interest in alienating CCP. China only became "a problem" when there's no unifying external threat left available. Otherwise the US and China has always been lukewarm and stay at each other's way.
IIRC, at this point in time, US also exploring RD family reliability. And with questionable results from the Chinese, they settle to subcontract some launches to the Russians.
5:00 doesn't care people's health...
The message was only partially translated, the Chinese message also told the citizens in debris area to evacuate immediately.
BeiDou, while supporting Bi-Directional communication, does not require Bi-Directional communications to operate. Many GNSS chipsets out there that are strictly receivers and supporting BeiDou do not have the transmitters. Very few GPSr's support communication back to satellites, and the vast majority of those do not transmit to GNSS systems, but to other communication satellites like Iridium Sats, for communications in remote areas, more used as a safety-net than anything else and a solid alternative to a Sat Phone.
9:55 WTF is that gigantic Flat spot of … Dirt ? Is this a desert ?
Gobi desert probably. They do have a launch platform there. But could just be flattened land
It's obviously a Minecraft flatworld
Ever heard of the Gobi desert? Yes, China has a large swath of empty land like Baikonur in Kazakhstan and then posts up on its eastern edge to launch further east, towards where people live.
…why are you surprised? Or are you just curious 😂
A masterpiece of pretense of objectivity. Congratulations.
Boosters of rockets do just fall back to the Earth. Before SpaceX US rockets like Saturn V booster stages also fall back to Earth but into the sea (because geographically possible). Whenever China conducts a rocket launch, they also calculate where booster stages will land and temporary cordon off the area. It is not a great solution but long march rocket family has its origins in the 70s probably based on much older Soviet tech. Its rumored that they are working on reusable rockets where booster can land back on Earth much like the Falcon 9. When the video says there are alternative, there isn't in the storable category.
Well, no. With US launches the deorbit and landing point of the first stage was known accurately and both sea and air traffic were prohibited in the area during the launch. Also the US first stages didn't reach orbit as the Chinese do, but instead had a ballistic trajectory; once you're at LEO it's much harder to predict where it lands, as is the case with the Chinese, ie, it just lands wherever it happens to land.
All the GPS tracking stuff was an awful part. It makes no sense at all. Theres no need for a positioning system to receive informations in order for you to be tracked.
The video clip used for multiple times is the rocket booster that failed to secure during a engine test from a private company.
"Real Engineering"? lol
…aaaand you’re cutting Real Engineering off his piece of that sweet 1,6B pie, is that what you’re trying to do? After all, if people wanted facts, they wouldn’t be hitting a clickbait video like this, y’know.
@@2005batman good to see the 5 cent army is still going strong, they let you guys work from home yet you do they still pack you into an office building with those cool bouncy nets around the windows?
I need Dongfanghour to cover on this topic
The locations of the launch pads are closer to the inner regions not only just for military reasons. But also for international political reasons. China made all of their rocket test sites and launch pads far away from their shorelines and borders with major nations because they don't want to make them feel too threatened. Cause if China launch over Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan they and the US will panic and don't know which one is a ballistic missile or a space rocket (especially in the 70s or 80s). So rather than an international incident in the time when they were still weak they would rather risk the rockets falling in their own lands.
This is wise. But they need to stop using Hydrazine fuel. Same with India.
This made sense in the 80s but not today.
@@thelastant8366 but the bases were made in those era. And they just use what is already available
@@iCanHazTwentyLetters the newer rockets they uses different fuels. They just need to phase out their older models
@@thelastant8366but that is exactly what they want you to believe even today, like China is always making nonsense inhuman decisions to...survive for thousands of years. That's how "free speech" works nowadays.
Intelsat 708, 1996. Officially the death toll was 6, but half the town was destroyed. Plus, rocket fuel is extremely toxic. Rescue crews weren't able to go into the city even after the fires were out.
Peking Duck.
Peking: DUCK!
“Whoops, sorry for “accidentally” dropping rockets on your village”
- China probably
the video claims its china 5head move to hide the real rockets that are 1million years ahead of the US and have stealth technology thats why no one was ever able to film it or see it.
I am trying to understand why China has so many problems, but is it still developing so quickly? We didn't believe China could build any structure in space, but now? We have been saying that China's economy is crumbling, yet after so many years, their GDP growth is still one of the best? Why why why?????
Because the US and Europe keep buying too much stuff from communist China while communist China buys less and less from the US and Europe. That's massive surplus for China and deficit/loss for the US and Europe. That's how communist China gets money because Chinese domestic market is weak so China relies on exports mainly to the US and Europe. And when the US and Europe are de-risking from China, China is angry and complains.
Cuz so many people brainwashed by western media 😂
Cause your perception of “China bad” is artificial. It’s manufactured by the western mainstream media. If you care to look through the double standards, the USA has even worse problems😢 but it still got the title of “city on a hill”
Congratulations on discovering the truth.
😂嘘，小声点，不利于民主的话少说
nice red scare vid you made there bro. You can go collect your part of the $1.6 B. Ty for your service
wake up babe, new chinese rocket just dropped
That orange trail reminded me of the Agent Orange
its worse, its Hydrazine.
Ironically, Agent Orange was a white color when dispersed in the air.
And Trump.
@@avroarchitect1793 no agent orange is worse because it affects way more people than the Chinese rocket fuel ever could
Agent Orange happened to be used on a large scale by the U.S. military in the Vietnam War, resulting in many Vietnamese being irreparably traumatized
The yellow smoke is the healthy kind.
"We don't receive a lot of news about China, in the west, and when we do, its usually presented with some level of western bias. Even when a journalist is aware of their own bias, its not always easy to eliminate it completely, while working under time constraints."
meanwhile, in the video you did not have the same "constraints" as a journalist (who is paid to say the right thing) and suggest China has a more severe surveillance state than the west already has in place. They also have to separate their internet for several reasons, yet this is another certified see see pee W you would probably also call some authoritarian (insert dribble)
SpaceX gets a hell of a lot of criticism with most of its critics looking the other way when handfuls of other companies/countries do absolutely foul things
Just because other companies do things wrong doesn’t mean spacex is immune to criticism
@jaylay2964 of course, that goes without saying. What I'm getting at is the level of public criticism for a company that's actually extremely solid relative to everyone else.
@@NikoBee90SpaceX deserves the criticisms, so as what they are doing in china. But hey, Elon himself can't seem to criticise the chinese for some reason.
I must admit, whenever a story about the Chinese space program (rarely) appears, i think " i must look into what they're doing". Then forget 🤣
The success of the Chinese Space program was never reported as well as the failure of US ICBM failure was not reported either.
I would love to see a side by side timeline of each countries space programs, discoveries, accomplishments, and failures.
China invented rocket tech
Source : nasa official website
They have a common saying there, which translates directly as "If you can cheat, cheat".
请说出那句话的原始版本
I think that's an Indian saying.
Obviously, the author wants you to have an impression that China's Beidou navigation system must work on both sending and receiving concurrently. The fact is only when you pay and open the sending service you can send back your location. This model works for rescue purpose. if you close the sending, then, Beidou just works the same as GPS. is more choice a bad thing? the author is funny!
They are only doing what we have been doing. What is the problem? Let them advance their space program and progress as we have done in the past. We aren't the only ones capable of doing this.
It's think-tank propaganda content, very easy to identify. China actually has an awesome space program, and it's far ahead from the US now.
*we can do bad stuff because they're also doing bad stuff!*
that is some fucked up way of thinking you got there, how about be the better country huh?
Ah yes, two brand-new channels with generic auto-generated names pretending to be Western citizens that dislike content critical of the CCP. How totally not suspicious!
ya man don't you know Chinese engineers can't read so they need to make all the same mistakes and entirely new ones that NASA and the EUSA made in the 70s and 80s. cause they are once again too stupid to realize that blowing up a satellite in orbit is a bad idea that creates a cloud of hypersonic bullets or that launching from an inland site means boosters MAY just happen to fall on people, or any of the other hundreds of things they could literally just ASK any other agency how to do, instead they do it their own way that way they get to say they discovered that their fuel is shit and they should switch to a new one, or that they need a launch site on the coast, cause you could NEVER find any of that out without doing it yourself. great to see you hold such high regard for china you treat them like a child that keeps trying to put its hand on a hot stove.
@@eng-xv8bc Thing is, no one wants to hear china doing well, so that forms a natural information blockade, and any information that goes through would just be suspicious, and whoever does let the information through would be treated as “parroting”.
This also means anyone who are clueless just accepts what’s there, it’s kinda sad. It’s not like every space program in the world aren’t like what’s in the video, casualties, horrible fuel choices, precision striking, these things existed since the birth of rockets.
David subscribes to the "stuff your tent into the bag" strategy over nicely folding it.
This channel really has sold it's soul
For those interested in the flyer, there actually are more about evacuation than just telling the citizens to run. These villagers are offered to move with a payment and are compensated each time a rocket is launched. some of them just choose to stay. maybe next time just try to have less bias and more thinking
There is no bias, he knew he was just copying stupid US propaganda. On the video he made before that he had flown to the Artic on a military plane, so it seems he's either returning the favor since the US military allow a foreigner have access to their plane/facilities, etc. and/or he's pleasing them because he expects to make more videos like that.
You should do a video on the NOAA’s hurricane hunter P3. Amazing aircraft and I’m sure it’s been modified significantly.
10:58 wait how can this even function? GPS works like a constellation, the satellites are like stars, your receiver only observes them, because after all they are up in GEO. how can something like a phone establish in any way a communication channel reliably with something in GEO sounds absurd, and even if you have a big ass receiver....can you just not contact the satellite? Again they are beacon, you can observe their signal and then reference your database map to know which satellites you are observing. If any two way communication mode exists I bet its optional and potentially aided by ground stations.
Frankly it makes me distrust any other info in this video, even if I suspect they are true, since it's easy and always has been easy for military projects to ignore safety everywhere in the world and especially in china where safety culture is still not developed.
Yeah, he's basically wrong there. I could see it being useful for recording distress signals from say aircraft or search and rescue, but if they wanted to discreetly spy on people, it's much easier to do that over cellular networks. Also that whole bit didn't really add much to the video other than to reinforce some "China bad" political narrative. If this was a Vox video or something, that might be more acceptable. But this is supposed to be a channel about engineering, and I would hope that he would discuss in more detail the engineering challenges that the Chinese space agency is facing, instead of discussing the politics of the CCP.
A "real engineer" would know that doesn't make any sense, let alone putting it in a video. Makes the entire channel completely suspect and untrustworthy
The part about the ship being suspected of carrying chemical weapons, he also intentionally omitted the part where the ship was searched by the US and nothing was found.
TH-camrs like this lose their audiences and should
Space race 2?
electric boogaloo
Nah, Cold War 2
The comment section is wild 💀
Brainrot
Don't worry. Happens all the time whenever there's China Mentioned.
How wonderful that we have met with a paradox. Now we have some hope of making progress.
Sounds like the ORANGE AGENT used in Vietnam
Being chinese, and studied and immigrated to the west, I find that most westerners don't understand how chinese or even asians think. Chinese/Asian cultures are mostly collectivistic, teaching the insignificance of the individuals to the society. This is the opposite of western cultures, which value individuality. This could be cultural, or could be the result of a large population relative to limited resources. This means lives of individuals are insignificant, cheap, and expendable to the society and government. This is why Chinese tend to have a high savings rate, cares deeply about family, but little about anyone else in society -- because when individuals are expendable, the only one you can rely on is yourself and your family.
管中窥豹
That's the gist of what I noticed when I visited the In-laws in China, there was an evident lack of courtesy and just not really caring about anything other than your family/friends.
I'd say thanks and help people out which sometimes resulted in some level of surprise and gratitude.
I did notice a lot of public service announcements about being a more courteous individual so I think the government is attempting to correct citizen behaviour.
No, we all understand that. That is even the stereotype totally uneducated people have of China. We just don't agree with it. Just because it's your "culture" doesn't mean it's beyond criticism.
I doubt that you are Chinese
I am absolutely terrified by the number of bots commenting on this post.
if you see a Hyper Sonic Intercontinental ballistic missile with Nuclear warhead falling from the sky at Mach 10 Please adjust your location quickly to avoid any harm
- Chinese Communist Party
“Adjust your location quickly” = RUN LIKE HELL!!!
So you either run or you don't run, I am pretty sure 99.9% of the people will run without CCP telling them to run lmao
I think the footage at the beginning of the video is from a few years ago, not 2024
Not true it's from two months ago
@@grim5116 I was incorrect. It just looks VERY similar to footage from several years ago
@@anonathanthat's because they keep doing these things over and over again....
This video make it sound like the US are saints xD Like they don't spy on his people and the rest of the world
NASA : "Houston we need to change estimated crash coordinates to avoid crashing into areas with population"
CCP / CNSA : "Time has come to screw people with dystopian orange smoke!"
Someone get this man on the government payroll pronto!
Already on big payroll
I'm not on China side by any means but I love how we look down our nose at people when we ourselves have blown up satellites in space and regardless of what was said it was done for military purposes just to show that we could
"I"m not a Chicom simp but I'm gonna moronically whataboutism for their benefit."
China's approach to a lot of things definitely deserves criticism and a lot of it.
Just not from people who have gobbled up the sinophobic pill so deep they're doing NAFO level bs for free.
Stories like these highlight the need for greater responsibility in scientific and industrial pursuits. It’s a sobering reminder that progress must always be balanced with environmental stewardship to protect future generations.
I find it funny how you advertise for unbiased News on China but use biased language against China in your video.
When someone in China does or says something you act like China itself or the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) said it or did that. Yet when someone in the West says or does something it was that person or institution, e.g. NASA or a worker at NASA.
This then creates a notion that in China literally everything is controlled by the CCP. Like every single step.
This kind of language reinforces a stereotype that China is purely authoritarian and the West is absolutely democratic.
Some examples in this Video:
The statement that the villagers should watch out for falling Debrie came from the CCP? I doubt that, it came probably from the Chinese equivalent of NASA.
The statement from the former director at NASA or something like that, that space agencies should minimize things falling on people or property and should be open about what they do. If that statement came from someone working for the Chinese space agency then most likely you would have used a phrase like: China says that...
Once you look for subtle language manipulation like this, you realize that it can be found in every corner of us media
They think they are slick
This much bias in an engineering channel is obnoxious...
Please elaborate on this bias?
@@mpwest929 it is biased if the channel has never discussed "problems of NASA"
@@mpwest929 The narrative of the video focusing too much on the immorality in the Chinese space program, instead of discussing actual engineering. It presents mistranslations (the evacuation letter) and misinformation (GPS being used to track phones) as evidence of how "bad" China is. And then pins a comment of themselves saying their opinion is correct, which is funny considering his opinion is apparently based on false information. So this isn't an engineering video, its just him ranting about how evil he thinks China is.
I wouldn't have said anything if the focus on the video was their use of poisonous fuel or how badly they handled de-orbiting their crafts, since both are interesting information, along with other interesting FACTS about their design principles, technology, etc... Like I was really interested to know how different their technology was to NASA's or SpaceX's, but instead I got a bunch of "China bad".
I appreciate the pains it took you to get everything straight. Well done.
Well, you still didn't do enough research to reduce your bias. First thing first. Villages on the trajectory will be informed before hand. I don't see any problem of such notice saying 'if you see a falling object, run fast'. What is it supposed to say, stay still? Isn't the reason people were running in such an accident shows they were not prepared even though the local government had informed them. And they didn't prepare because accidents are rare.
And we do have villagers talk about their experience online. 'Sometime, the launch was at night so we go to the mountains to see if there are debris falling. Some people wish their old house get hit because they could use compensation to build a new one.' Surely there are problems but it is not how you made people believe it to be.
Plus, you talked about launching from 'coastline' as if Chinese coastal areas are less populated and launching from there are less dangerous for residents there while, "surprisingly" you failed to mention, the current locations have less villages around them.
And secondly, I don't think the security concern is something you could slightly brush off. Location in mountains causes damages but the potential strike on our rocket launching centers is more unacceptable. Isn't US government grumbling about 'threats from China' and block even normal scientific collaborations for no reason these days? A good example of compromises made for nation security.
And the most important history reason you failed to mention: these launch basis were first built for military uses. And China moved its military factories to mountain areas far from Russia, or the former USSR, because of the nuclear threat Khrushchev claimed. And the rocket basis was, reasonably, placed near its suppliers. Without this context, you made the worry of adversaries sounds unnecessary while it was totally valid. Better learn more about east Asia geopolitics first.
NASA's ban is more like an excuse. If they care SO MUCH about foreigners' safety, then why it doesn't stop collaborating with SpaceX whose debris uncontrollably fell on Australian farms? Why they use double standard when it comes to their own projects huh? And don't forget Manhattan project excluded British scientists from the core programs even though they are the ones proposed nuclear weapon, calling for attention to nuclear threats, and suggested US government of its importance. They just don't want to share their technology. Nothing new. And like UK, we built on our own.
lol @china
@@KarldorisLambley yeah, the last resort when people don't know how to argue. But it's okay, while you are laughing, we make progress.
@@JulieQ-qf5ho in what? destroying freedoms? ruining Hong Kong? bothering Taiwan? helping Russia? banning books? imprisoning muslims and falon gong? how's your building industry? anyway get off youtube or you'll get in trouble. rofl.
@@JulieQ-qf5ho Evergrande, tofu dreg building, bothering Taiwan, supporting Russia, locking falon gong and muslims up, banning books, restricting internet access. yes, china is great.
@@JulieQ-qf5ho oddly my replies keep disappearing. that says it all.
With 4.5m subscribers you still want a slice of usd5b from USA government
-100 social credit for posting this video
-100000000000000 social credit for making a -100 social credit meme.
Social credits doesn't exist.
What kind of idiot believes in things like social credit scores now?
It does.
Just different than how people think@@testacals
@@sankss1684 If you are talking about credit score, yeah, it does exist in china and USA