@@SuccWarCentralwell we actually already know where his children came from and who are their mothers. But he still could participate in those carnivals
@@knightcommander5694 Yeah the festival could be royalty-only. Or he may have had kids in the festival and outside the festival, since the festival kids are tracked and accounted for.
3:50 I love that inverted nen graph with Specialization at the top, and Enhancement at the bottom. It reminds me of those maps they have in Australia where South points up and North points down. It also serves as an allegory for how Morena wants to turn the world upside down or something, I’m sure.
Its not the first time. Togashi has drawn the hatsu chart with Conjuration at the top before during Kurapika's training. So whichever nen category the talker belongs to ends up at the top of the chart. Morena is a specialist so for her Specialization is at the top.
Finally, somebody else recognizes the parallels between Morena and Gyro. I’m not surprised because Togashi was unable to finish the Gyro storyline. I guess this is his redesign of it.
i agree about the parallels but anyone who says togashi was unable to finish gyro's storyline just hasn't paid enough attention. we see welfin and the rest head to gyro at the END of chimera ant, that was in 2011, a year before beyond and kakin were introduced, if he didn't get to finish it it why build him up for 8 years after that? it's not a coincidence that morena mirrors gyro but both mirror chrollo, and now gyro is said to be plotting in meteor city like chrollo was, they all share the same themes but have different goals
I suspected Morena's backstory was something like this... Not happy to be right for once. I hate that youtube discourages discussing sexual abuse/violence, as it reinforces the taboo/"shame" that makes it harder for victims to come forward, which in turn protects abusers/predators. All for the sake of making advertisers more comfortable. Kinda not proving Morena wrong here, YT.
It seems interesting how the closer you get to specialist the rarer the category, Enhancer is the most common, Transmutation and Emission is about equal and aside from specialists Conjurers and manipulators are the rarest category, Togashi definitely did that on purpose.
@ To be fair, With how flippant and easy going transmitters are they are unlikely to take a job that requires a serious mindset also they are fickle but hunters are expected to hyperfixate on one field.
@@theyoungknight.3119 You isspelled Transmutes but yeah, i see your point. You shouldnt risk the message not getting to me by forgetting to @ my name though
Does it happen to the true royals or just the illegitimate ones? I could believe either way at this point since I do speculate that Camilla has some severe trauma.
Morena is basically a mixture of Mukuro and Sakyo, both from YuYu Hakusho. Also with Tserriednich’s odd relationship with women, Morena’s abuse, Beyond’s children, Nasubi’s existence and Sarasa’s death Togashi is really focused on that thing. I say Tserriednich has a weird relationship with women because his childhood friends seem to not be just guys, and I believe that there is something other than simple misogyny that makes him the way he is.
@@WyllBG3i third the phuck of that. Togashi, as much as he tried his best in making HxH it's own thing among the manga industry for it to be distinguishably enough, but we still see many recycled aspects be it design or sometimes plot between Gon and Yusuke s eyes (Yusuke s the better mc by far), the back comby hair look from Sensui and Chrollo, and many more things. As if Togashi s also continuing the lack of love Yu Yu Hakusho had by it's ending, in making HxH as complete and fully packed with any idea worth revisiting from Yu Yu Hakusho actually working out and making it's way to HxH. Now this chapter s unsettling as phuck, and also this arc s suspense build up is driving me insane. Togashi s bringing a+ game for real.
I'm not sure why the analysis of Tserri came up. The only reason why Tserri should be discussed is what he potentially did during the carnivals. Is that probably why she wants to monitor Tserri so she can get an opening to kill him? Did Tserri contribute to her resolve to destroy Kakin?
@@Tomiwa101 wouldnt really say it’s an analysis. I mostly wrote it because of Volk’s presence, though she may not even have been a childhood friend. The previous Heil-Ly boss seemed to be a great way to introduce a young Tserriednich to violence and the “art” created by it
Morena's amazing. from hearing her backstory that she told, I would have wanted to join her instantly. I can't relate to Borksen's accessment that Morena's goal is totally undesirable. though, from what Borksen says about her past, maybe the reason she's so shaken is because she DOES feel that way, but knows she shouldn't..? it's interesting.
Thank you for making content despite being tired! I have really enjoyed the content! Excited for some of the longer videos down the line (talk about Ken’i Wang!)
5:50 conjuration could be "conjuring" their nen abilities at level 20. idk spitballin. Transmutation idfk though, maybe transmuting her aura into theirs? doesn't seem like a transmuter thing but maybe it is cause of bisky's massage lady restoring aura?
@@theyoungknight.3119 The level 20 reward is to get a nen ability. Contagion only plays a role in helping you skip the training involved in getting an ability. The resulting power should work the same as any other and be a viable target for Skill Hunter.
This arc is filled with information, but unlike other manga full of information, which makes them like a bunch of bland food that was rushed when prepared, it feels like a well-made feast, even the small things have a good taste in them.
08:45 - It makes sense if the person becomes a true believer after the game. We aren't talking creating a mindless doll or a drone that follows simple orders. A level of manipulation that actually maintains your autonomy but rewrites your goal goes beyond anything we've ever seen and it would require a big cost. And since Nen reflects want and need, the power to rewrite what someone wants would make their subsequent ability better suited for your goals.
@laquanlucas6953 I just got into Hunter x Hunter recently and having to wait a week is so tough because I want to know what's gonna happen already! Togashi is the best when it comes to leaving you wanting more every week, I just hope there aren't any super long breaks idk how you guys waited for so many years before this 😵
This chapter contains: 70% panels with Morena looking cute. 20% panels with Morena looking goofy. 10% panels with Morena looking creepy. Why does she look so different in this chapter? Maybe Togashi wants to go for a slightly different design. She has a very round face and beautiful eyes. Edit: I got an idea. Maybe Togashis wife drew Volksen and Morena in this chapter. They look kinda Sailor Moon-y.
I think this card game not a nen ability but something like Chrollo’s needs to steal in order to make his Skill Hunter more powerful. Morena herself said that if Borksen take X then she will promise not to follow her or her friends or better say she will delay their deaths as much as she can since her ultimate goal is the death of humanity meaning there is no punishment if Morena break her words. So if X card doesn’t force Morena to follow her word then neither No and Yes therefore there is no manipulation. And if there is no manipulation then Morena cannot be that stupid to believe that Borksen can be easily convinced to join her. Notice that in chapter 405 what Morena actually said in original Japanese is that she will try her best that the person(Borksen) won’t say no. So I think what Morena wants is at least to make sure that Borksen will have her doubts about Kakin/humanity and consider the possibility to join her later. Morena cant approach her again with X card but Borksen can. And while yes is desirable option X works fine. And I am also aboard the theory that Deal card is a kiss. Unfortunately, what works against that theory is that Morena said her ability only works with people who share her goal so it’s pointless to use contagion on Bork at this point. But who knows. Maybe Morena still can “watch” through Bork so she could spy on Tserri. And considering the fact that Borksen must agree to do that request if she wants her card back from graveyard it made this kiss voluntarily which is a condition for contagion
A parallel I noted is that in one of the volume extras Tserri says something to the effect of “when I’m king I will sort people into useful trash and useless trash” and that division shows up with the flesh and faker distinction in her back story. Funny how originally it seemed like Morena and Tserri would be working together when we first learned about the Mafia families. I Wonder what Faker means exactly… I have ideas but it seems more significant than what I’m thinking
4:16 Specialists are better according to Morena, who is a specialist. This chapter revealed that Morena has a “I survive and thrive because I’m special” mindset, which is why she views so many other ppl as expendable. It’s certainly an interesting path to take, given her traumatic upbringing where she clearly saw the downsides to having a society built around that mentality.
Good video. Togashi's pessimism makes for great storytelling, but it makes me a bit sad and I hope he ends this arc on at least a bittersweet note (as opposed to pure nihilism), like Kurapika saving Woble or something amidst the utter chaos and destruction of the black whale sinking
the transmutation part of morena's ability could be the saliva she produces in her mouth when she is kissing the target, and the conjured part of contagion could be this card game, heck, even manipulation could be involved in this game as well since it would fit the coercive-type of manipulation ability.
Her explanation is super intresting are all the applications of specialization just higher level applications of other nen types? Combination of these advanced principles? Does this mean one the types has the ability for temporal abilities? Abilities to get information from the ether. Also poor morena. your videos rock
"Abilities to get information from the ether" wouldn't that be neon nostrades future poems? Temporal would be interesting though can't think of anything like that.
@@chucknorris2913 Binolt and Neon both apply here. Temporal would be things like time travel which we haven't seen but terror sandwhich is the main one we have seen,=
411 starts with balsamilco's body so I think until that point we will see flashbacks of the incidents lead to martial law and 411 will be the last one which will result in assasination of benjamin (maybe)
could the conjuration part of contagion be the card game/the participants being "summoned" as enemies of the kakin empire and the transmutation part their individual, "small" goals mentioned in the chapter being redirected into destroying the world/the kiss, which would make the manipulation part what's going on rn with morena letting her goons know the truth behind the kakin empire (or maybe it's the other way around for those idk which one would make more sense I'm sleepy as fuck)
also the concept of specialists having the most impact on the world/how each type influences it helped me finally understand what kind of person gets which kind of nen and it truly solidified netero as the ultimate instigator for me, of course the strongest amplifier got a kid to commit suicide-homicide before doing it himself because he understood how truly full of hatred people are
Im assuming the cards are the conjuration and they are a part of contagion. I too don't see where the transmutation comes but its likely being kept hidden for a later reveal imo
I wonder if the Heil-Ly could nen initiation their victims before killing them to get more levels Started thinking it because if they did have to kill Bork doing it after they got her nen would be a bonus that makes up a little of the lost of a specialist
maybe the transmutation is in the saliva of morena, she gives her aura certain properties and infuse it with the saliva, it is possible since nobunaga said the self repairing wall may be an ability of enhancement, transmutation or specialization
I swear to Cthulhu and all the gods, to me personally this steak picture is more haunting than any of Berserk scenes. Berserk's darkest scenes are at least put to the page wholly and give you this quantifiable extent of all the horrors happening. They are depicted and you can see both the heroes and yourself react to them as they should be reacted to. Meanwhile Togashi just casually implies the worst things possible going on repeatedly somewhere in the background, with the direct message that the whole shtick is normalized and the only people who pay it any attention are the direct victims. This chapter is going to haunt me for at least a week.
The Negotiation cards could be Conjured. Considering the game is so important to the ability, and the answer card is so heavily binding to both players, making the cards out of Nen could help enforce the conditions. As for Transmutation, I have no idea. There must be some other facet of Contagion that she hasn't revealed, unless it ties into how the level-ups work.
A few questions from me at this point. Not that important but I wonder if Kite, our technically first exposure to Kakin ever noticed any of this. Does King Nasubi even want to go to the Dark Continent at this point? Where are Ging and Paristone physically? I believe they aren’t on the Black Whale and got their own plan, idk how that will work. Realistically, when will the payoff of Gyro showing up in Chimera Ant arc happen?
I dunno if english translations ommit this detail, but when Morena asks Borksen if she knows what a bastard son was, she mentioned that she's not actually part of the royal family, and that the real Morena is actually dead. She also refers to herself as "meat" and it'd add up to what Nobunaga said that this wasn't the actual Heil-ly mafia. (P.S: 3rd video I don't see Deadkelburg anywhere >:( )
You know I meant to talk about this but I was so tired I simply forgot. That said, I honestly don't care about it too much; nice symbolism, but this Morena is still the only Morena I know and love and I am still her number one fan!
I sorta guessed that Morena was sexually abused when said she was meat and seen her bruised body but the shape of the cut in the meat picture flew over my head. Even the bloody knife is innuendo for violent, painful and bloody thrusting. She led a horrible life...
To me its pretty obvious that this card game IS the first condition to recrut someone INTO contagion. A power strong like that cant has a single easy restriction like a kiss... And by re reading what and the way morena explained the game and talked about restrictions, clearly it is the point.
Great vid! Do you have any theories about the original Morena and why the current Morena took her name after the OG died? I was real curious about what she meant by that.
I think the transmutation part of her ability is some sort of virus in her saliva that infects her followers. Still can’t think anything about conjuration part though
For Morena's story, it's specified that you can chitchat outiside of the compelled speech from the cards. That may give her room to lie or alter the details of her backstory, as long as the goal remains true. After all, it's the goal card, not the life story card. Ditto for the power card, Morena said she'd do her best to explain the power clearly, meaning that "make sure your partner understands" is not a requirement of the game itself. It's a concession she's making, likely expanding on the answer of th card with what amounts to chitchat. I wouldn't be surprised if she was indeed the victim of unspeakable horrors. But her being a bored nilhist who basicially just wrote herself an ellaborate sobstory would also be very Togashi. If there are so many of these orphans, you'd expect more scarred people in Morena's organization. Not random middle-class people. The current hei-ly feel a lot like what you'd get from meeting 23 online rather than anything else. I mean we literally see her on a gamer chair. And she's called the game master. Where in her life as meat did she get the chance to get invested in games and gaming culture? We also see her wearing a crown of thorns in some drawings, which a real victim would have little interest in, but a charlatan would totally go for.
Unfortunately while I love One Piece, I do not have the sheer obsession over it that HxH sparks in me. Without that kind of obsession, I can't make good videos without getting burned out.
@@Phoenix-qu5ss in how they function and how they started for the wrongs of the world but he seems dead set on distinguishing the difference. And it aint just him that share this sentiment since Phinks and Feitan dont like the comparison. Chrollo working with Morena don’t prove it since his intent is for the spider to live on after his death which been stated since YorkNew and hasn’t changed. Chrollo only cares for the spider, Morena on the other hand is more for the sake of fulfilling her goal. She indiscriminately recruits people and convinces them to go on a murder spree for more power, regardless if they share the same feelings she has.
@@Bft149 May you bring up a difference Nobunaga distinguishes between the Heil-Ly and the Spiders and explain why it’s hypocritical? As far as I can recall, Nobunaga consistently brought up the similarities between the Heil-Ly and the Phantom Troupe while Phinks and Feitan disagreed with the comparisons. Nobunaga even figures out the Heil-Ly’s motive for killing civilians by once again comparing them to the Spiders.
@@Phoenix-qu5ss it’s hypocritical since he disagrees with a group that does just as much harm to others as the spider does. But what would make it worst is having his leader Chrollo side with who he opposes. You may not agree with me on this but he made a decision on the spiders behalf. He is an extension of the spider and reflex’s the groups desires. You are right in that Nobunaga is defensive when Phinks and Feitan speak out. However he still decline their offer in taking part in the whole plan of destroying the world and chose to instead oppose them. Still there seems to be differences in how Morena goes about gaining member through coerce shown in this chapter. Nobunaga believes that a “switch was flipped” that made them this way. But latter in recent chapters he concludes that this is not the “real Hei-ly” which is more accurate since we now know that not only Morena is not the real one but the moment she took over she reformed the mafia group goals. How does Morena and Chrollo teaming prove Nobunaga was right? Sure both started from a place of anger but fundamentally share different intentions. Chrollo wants longevity for the spider and is willing to lay his life for it. Morena wants eradication of humanity, Kakin, and her ability goes about having her underlying spreading the chaos.
So the real Morena is dead huh, but, nobody noticed that her body changed? I mean, you can't just steal someone's identity, and current Morena seems to have always had that appearance as she looked almost the same in the flashback. I don't know, I need more details about her past 🤔
Oh man.. Beyond Netero partook in those messed up festivals didn't he. He always did remind me of Genghis Khan.
He's been buddy-buddy with the Kakin royalty for awhile now... And it would explain where all his children came from...
Beyond Netero Cold blooded a true savage
@@SuccWarCentralwell we actually already know where his children came from and who are their mothers. But he still could participate in those carnivals
@@knightcommander5694 Yeah the festival could be royalty-only. Or he may have had kids in the festival and outside the festival, since the festival kids are tracked and accounted for.
In japanese it could be interpreted as royals and their followers@@Yodah97
3:50 I love that inverted nen graph with Specialization at the top, and Enhancement at the bottom. It reminds me of those maps they have in Australia where South points up and North points down. It also serves as an allegory for how Morena wants to turn the world upside down or something, I’m sure.
That is a very clever way to interpret that! I like it.
Thanks for bringing up good ol, Australia!
Its not the first time. Togashi has drawn the hatsu chart with Conjuration at the top before during Kurapika's training. So whichever nen category the talker belongs to ends up at the top of the chart. Morena is a specialist so for her Specialization is at the top.
@@Rodiacreed Correct.
"the chimer ant arc had a grimm exploration of humanity"
succesion war: hold my urn
HxH turned really dark since yorknew
Finally, somebody else recognizes the parallels between Morena and Gyro. I’m not surprised because Togashi was unable to finish the Gyro storyline. I guess this is his redesign of it.
If you didn't think of Gyro while reading the backstory, then you aren't really a HxH fan. The parallel is glaring.
i agree about the parallels but anyone who says togashi was unable to finish gyro's storyline just hasn't paid enough attention. we see welfin and the rest head to gyro at the END of chimera ant, that was in 2011, a year before beyond and kakin were introduced, if he didn't get to finish it it why build him up for 8 years after that? it's not a coincidence that morena mirrors gyro but both mirror chrollo, and now gyro is said to be plotting in meteor city like chrollo was, they all share the same themes but have different goals
So you don't think Pariston is in league with Gyro and the latter is aboard the Black Whale?
I loved it when she turned into a Shoujo Manga character while talking about killing everyone, with the bishoujo eyes and the sparkly background.
8:17 Low key the skull drawing overlapping Morena's face from the background of the video is some cosmic coincidence and goes hard.
Weekly morena glaze
I wish I had the time to glaze her even more often
@SuccWarCentral save it for the goat dog man
@@boggiewoggie1012Dogman is getting packed up by Chrollo
@@laquanlucas6953 not if dog Man gets him in a headlock
@@laquanlucas6953 not if dog Man gets him in a chokehold
I suspected Morena's backstory was something like this... Not happy to be right for once.
I hate that youtube discourages discussing sexual abuse/violence, as it reinforces the taboo/"shame" that makes it harder for victims to come forward, which in turn protects abusers/predators. All for the sake of making advertisers more comfortable. Kinda not proving Morena wrong here, YT.
Agreed.
It seems interesting how the closer you get to specialist the rarer the category, Enhancer is the most common, Transmutation and Emission is about equal and aside from specialists Conjurers and manipulators are the rarest category, Togashi definitely did that on purpose.
which is funny because enhancers and transmuters are the second third rarest behind specialists. conjurers being the most common
@ To be fair, With how flippant and easy going transmitters are they are unlikely to take a job that requires a serious mindset also they are fickle but hunters are expected to hyperfixate on one field.
@@theyoungknight.3119 You isspelled Transmutes but yeah, i see your point.
You shouldnt risk the message not getting to me by forgetting to @ my name though
@@slevinchannel7589 I @ the name and for some reason it doesn’t always go through.
Might explain why the older princes seem fucked in the head but the younger are oblivious.
Does it happen to the true royals or just the illegitimate ones? I could believe either way at this point since I do speculate that Camilla has some severe trauma.
Camilla seems to be sympathetic but in a sick way.
Morena is basically a mixture of Mukuro and Sakyo, both from YuYu Hakusho. Also with Tserriednich’s odd relationship with women, Morena’s abuse, Beyond’s children, Nasubi’s existence and Sarasa’s death Togashi is really focused on that thing. I say Tserriednich has a weird relationship with women because his childhood friends seem to not be just guys, and I believe that there is something other than simple misogyny that makes him the way he is.
Second that.
I would also add that Togashi is exploring some plot devices from Sensui with more time and "finesse".
@@WyllBG3i third the phuck of that.
Togashi, as much as he tried his best in making HxH it's own thing among the manga industry for it to be distinguishably enough, but we still see many recycled aspects be it design or sometimes plot between Gon and Yusuke s eyes (Yusuke s the better mc by far), the back comby hair look from Sensui and Chrollo, and many more things. As if Togashi s also continuing the lack of love Yu Yu Hakusho had by it's ending, in making HxH as complete and fully packed with any idea worth revisiting from Yu Yu Hakusho actually working out and making it's way to HxH.
Now this chapter s unsettling as phuck, and also this arc s suspense build up is driving me insane. Togashi s bringing a+ game for real.
I'm not sure why the analysis of Tserri came up. The only reason why Tserri should be discussed is what he potentially did during the carnivals. Is that probably why she wants to monitor Tserri so she can get an opening to kill him? Did Tserri contribute to her resolve to destroy Kakin?
@@Tomiwa101 wouldnt really say it’s an analysis. I mostly wrote it because of Volk’s presence, though she may not even have been a childhood friend. The previous Heil-Ly boss seemed to be a great way to introduce a young Tserriednich to violence and the “art” created by it
Girl I just got into yt and this is first thing that appears, I'm excited
Morena's amazing. from hearing her backstory that she told, I would have wanted to join her instantly. I can't relate to Borksen's accessment that Morena's goal is totally undesirable. though, from what Borksen says about her past, maybe the reason she's so shaken is because she DOES feel that way, but knows she shouldn't..? it's interesting.
Thank you for making content despite being tired! I have really enjoyed the content! Excited for some of the longer videos down the line (talk about Ken’i Wang!)
5:50 conjuration could be "conjuring" their nen abilities at level 20. idk spitballin. Transmutation idfk though, maybe transmuting her aura into theirs? doesn't seem like a transmuter thing but maybe it is cause of bisky's massage lady restoring aura?
Random thought: Chrollo coukd steal dogman ability. Is such a versatile hatsu, in his hands would help skill hunter even more.
That was what I was saying bro dogman confronting Chrollo is a bad move
Can Chrollo steal abilities made by contagion? For all we know the abilities all actually belong to Morena.
@@theyoungknight.3119 I think Chrollo can steal the morena. But what use can that ability do in fight against awakened Hisoka
@ Yeah, I suppose all it could do is help him better sniff out abilities that would be beneficial against Hisoka.
@@theyoungknight.3119 The level 20 reward is to get a nen ability. Contagion only plays a role in helping you skip the training involved in getting an ability. The resulting power should work the same as any other and be a viable target for Skill Hunter.
Transmutation could be turning her nen into spit
Or since its called contagion maybe she transmutes her aura into a virus
That is both disgusting and likely.
This arc is filled with information, but unlike other manga full of information, which makes them like a bunch of bland food that was rushed when prepared, it feels like a well-made feast, even the small things have a good taste in them.
Thank u cj content was goated as always
08:45 - It makes sense if the person becomes a true believer after the game. We aren't talking creating a mindless doll or a drone that follows simple orders. A level of manipulation that actually maintains your autonomy but rewrites your goal goes beyond anything we've ever seen and it would require a big cost. And since Nen reflects want and need, the power to rewrite what someone wants would make their subsequent ability better suited for your goals.
Maybe halkenberg shot himself into Benny, and then declared martial law some how with Benny's body?
That's what I was thinking but maybe thats what togashi wants us to think 🤔
Kinda hope not because I want 1st prince to win the contest.
@@Timmy_tuffnutsThat's what Togashi wants us to think and play a mind game ke5ep us guessing
@@laquanlucas6953 what if he knows that we know so he ends up going with it to flip the script by not flipping it. 👨🏽🦼
@@Timmy_tuffnuts That true fam what he really wants us to think. Togashi is known for being unpredictable. It can be something else.
@laquanlucas6953 I just got into Hunter x Hunter recently and having to wait a week is so tough because I want to know what's gonna happen already! Togashi is the best when it comes to leaving you wanting more every week, I just hope there aren't any super long breaks idk how you guys waited for so many years before this 😵
Is that urahara in the background 6:58 ? 😂 Great video 👍
in fact she is treated even more worse than a slave because they see her as "meat". If you are a slave, they still see you as human
This chapter contains: 70% panels with Morena looking cute.
20% panels with Morena looking goofy. 10% panels with Morena looking creepy.
Why does she look so different in this chapter? Maybe Togashi wants to go for a slightly different design. She has a very round face and beautiful eyes.
Edit: I got an idea. Maybe Togashis wife drew Volksen and Morena in this chapter. They look kinda Sailor Moon-y.
Fact: Evil women are simply adorable.
the style looks different, either that or an assistant
His wife definitely gives more influence probably 😗
HxH really is one of the best pieces of fiction ever created, i feel bad for unaware of the story 🙏
You're becoming my fav HxH TH-camr - you're very perceptive!!
I think this card game not a nen ability but something like Chrollo’s needs to steal in order to make his Skill Hunter more powerful. Morena herself said that if Borksen take X then she will promise not to follow her or her friends or better say she will delay their deaths as much as she can since her ultimate goal is the death of humanity meaning there is no punishment if Morena break her words. So if X card doesn’t force Morena to follow her word then neither No and Yes therefore there is no manipulation. And if there is no manipulation then Morena cannot be that stupid to believe that Borksen can be easily convinced to join her. Notice that in chapter 405 what Morena actually said in original Japanese is that she will try her best that the person(Borksen) won’t say no.
So I think what Morena wants is at least to make sure that Borksen will have her doubts about Kakin/humanity and consider the possibility to join her later. Morena cant approach her again with X card but Borksen can. And while yes is desirable option X works fine. And I am also aboard the theory that Deal card is a kiss. Unfortunately, what works against that theory is that Morena said her ability only works with people who share her goal so it’s pointless to use contagion on Bork at this point. But who knows. Maybe Morena still can “watch” through Bork so she could spy on Tserri. And considering the fact that Borksen must agree to do that request if she wants her card back from graveyard it made this kiss voluntarily which is a condition for contagion
A parallel I noted is that in one of the volume extras Tserri says something to the effect of “when I’m king I will sort people into useful trash and useless trash” and that division shows up with the flesh and faker distinction in her back story. Funny how originally it seemed like Morena and Tserri would be working together when we first learned about the Mafia families. I Wonder what Faker means exactly… I have ideas but it seems more significant than what I’m thinking
Only togashi to make a blond morena! 😂
Of course you were wrong! My girl is gonna shake the world for real. :3
gaslight gatekeep girlboss
@@thrwwccnt5845 godly gorgeous government-destroyer
Who would’ve known a story that started off with a boy fishing for a monster fish would be at this point
4:16 Specialists are better according to Morena, who is a specialist. This chapter revealed that Morena has a “I survive and thrive because I’m special” mindset, which is why she views so many other ppl as expendable. It’s certainly an interesting path to take, given her traumatic upbringing where she clearly saw the downsides to having a society built around that mentality.
Good video. Togashi's pessimism makes for great storytelling, but it makes me a bit sad and I hope he ends this arc on at least a bittersweet note (as opposed to pure nihilism), like Kurapika saving Woble or something amidst the utter chaos and destruction of the black whale sinking
the transmutation part of morena's ability could be the saliva she produces in her mouth when she is kissing the target, and the conjured part of contagion could be this card game, heck, even manipulation could be involved in this game as well since it would fit the coercive-type of manipulation ability.
Her explanation is super intresting are all the applications of specialization just higher level applications of other nen types? Combination of these advanced principles? Does this mean one the types has the ability for temporal abilities? Abilities to get information from the ether.
Also poor morena.
your videos rock
"Abilities to get information from the ether" wouldn't that be neon nostrades future poems? Temporal would be interesting though can't think of anything like that.
Thank you!
@@chucknorris2913 Binolt and Neon both apply here. Temporal would be things like time travel which we haven't seen but terror sandwhich is the main one we have seen,=
The card negotiation game is the conjured object ... maybe. The transmutation itself could be the parasitic nature of this Nen
6:52
YEAH. SAME.
411 starts with balsamilco's body so I think until that point we will see flashbacks of the incidents lead to martial law and 411 will be the last one which will result in assasination of benjamin (maybe)
could the conjuration part of contagion be the card game/the participants being "summoned" as enemies of the kakin empire
and the transmutation part their individual, "small" goals mentioned in the chapter being redirected into destroying the world/the kiss, which would make the manipulation part what's going on rn with morena letting her goons know the truth behind the kakin empire (or maybe it's the other way around for those idk which one would make more sense I'm sleepy as fuck)
also the concept of specialists having the most impact on the world/how each type influences it helped me finally understand what kind of person gets which kind of nen and it truly solidified netero as the ultimate instigator for me, of course the strongest amplifier got a kid to commit suicide-homicide before doing it himself because he understood how truly full of hatred people are
Im assuming the cards are the conjuration and they are a part of contagion. I too don't see where the transmutation comes but its likely being kept hidden for a later reveal imo
I wonder if the Heil-Ly could nen initiation their victims before killing them to get more levels
Started thinking it because if they did have to kill Bork doing it after they got her nen would be a bonus that makes up a little of the lost of a specialist
7:10 so essentially what Hulk Hogan is doing with trump right now?
maybe the transmutation is in the saliva of morena, she gives her aura certain properties and infuse it with the saliva, it is possible since nobunaga said the self repairing wall may be an ability of enhancement, transmutation or specialization
I swear to Cthulhu and all the gods, to me personally this steak picture is more haunting than any of Berserk scenes. Berserk's darkest scenes are at least put to the page wholly and give you this quantifiable extent of all the horrors happening. They are depicted and you can see both the heroes and yourself react to them as they should be reacted to. Meanwhile Togashi just casually implies the worst things possible going on repeatedly somewhere in the background, with the direct message that the whole shtick is normalized and the only people who pay it any attention are the direct victims.
This chapter is going to haunt me for at least a week.
The Negotiation cards could be Conjured. Considering the game is so important to the ability, and the answer card is so heavily binding to both players, making the cards out of Nen could help enforce the conditions. As for Transmutation, I have no idea. There must be some other facet of Contagion that she hasn't revealed, unless it ties into how the level-ups work.
A few questions from me at this point. Not that important but I wonder if Kite, our technically first exposure to Kakin ever noticed any of this. Does King Nasubi even want to go to the Dark Continent at this point? Where are Ging and Paristone physically? I believe they aren’t on the Black Whale and got their own plan, idk how that will work. Realistically, when will the payoff of Gyro showing up in Chimera Ant arc happen?
I dunno if english translations ommit this detail, but when Morena asks Borksen if she knows what a bastard son was, she mentioned that she's not actually part of the royal family, and that the real Morena is actually dead.
She also refers to herself as "meat" and it'd add up to what Nobunaga said that this wasn't the actual Heil-ly mafia.
(P.S: 3rd video I don't see Deadkelburg anywhere >:( )
You know I meant to talk about this but I was so tired I simply forgot. That said, I honestly don't care about it too much; nice symbolism, but this Morena is still the only Morena I know and love and I am still her number one fan!
@@SuccWarCentral Fair enough, the impostor has been the only Morena we've known about
This video was pretty nice cj. its my birthday. keep it up
Happy birthday
I sorta guessed that Morena was sexually abused when said she was meat and seen her bruised body but the shape of the cut in the meat picture flew over my head. Even the bloody knife is innuendo for violent, painful and bloody thrusting. She led a horrible life...
The Conjugation may be the card game itself, since it's part of the ability. Transmutation though I have no idea.
HxH getting dark like berserk
To me its pretty obvious that this card game IS the first condition to recrut someone INTO contagion. A power strong like that cant has a single easy restriction like a kiss... And by re reading what and the way morena explained the game and talked about restrictions, clearly it is the point.
My favorite character went from meruem to morena, i love world ending psychopaths
Lore… the word every one piece commentator use to mask Oda inconsistencie😩
The transmutation & conjuration isnt Morena directly I don’t think but the fact she can’t produce nen users that are transmuters & conjurors
I can fix Morena
Nope. She fixes you.
lore stim
Great vid! Do you have any theories about the original Morena and why the current Morena took her name after the OG died? I was real curious about what she meant by that.
Do you think the older princes or beyond participate in the festival?
I think the transmutation part of her ability is some sort of virus in her saliva that infects her followers. Still can’t think anything about conjuration part though
I'm guessing to conjuring a good cell( non disease) to amplify the nods of nen that she is transmitting to her carrier.....
Phucking HxH s on fire, bigtime. What a show by Togashi sensei!!!
9:06 ¿Nacho?
Nacho = Nen beast Kacho
@@TheJinzoSpoon ahhh that makes sense.
For Morena's story, it's specified that you can chitchat outiside of the compelled speech from the cards. That may give her room to lie or alter the details of her backstory, as long as the goal remains true. After all, it's the goal card, not the life story card. Ditto for the power card, Morena said she'd do her best to explain the power clearly, meaning that "make sure your partner understands" is not a requirement of the game itself. It's a concession she's making, likely expanding on the answer of th card with what amounts to chitchat.
I wouldn't be surprised if she was indeed the victim of unspeakable horrors. But her being a bored nilhist who basicially just wrote herself an ellaborate sobstory would also be very Togashi. If there are so many of these orphans, you'd expect more scarred people in Morena's organization. Not random middle-class people. The current hei-ly feel a lot like what you'd get from meeting 23 online rather than anything else.
I mean we literally see her on a gamer chair. And she's called the game master. Where in her life as meat did she get the chance to get invested in games and gaming culture? We also see her wearing a crown of thorns in some drawings, which a real victim would have little interest in, but a charlatan would totally go for.
HOW DO YOU HAVE A TL NOW? GIVE IT TO ME.
nvm found it
You should not have said the word one piece. Now you have to make one piece videos. You just have to
Unfortunately while I love One Piece, I do not have the sheer obsession over it that HxH sparks in me. Without that kind of obsession, I can't make good videos without getting burned out.
@SuccWarCentral i feel you...i tried😭 hxh still the best manga of all time! Stay healthy
Wdym u were pronouncing morenas name wrong who said, MOrena, morayna, moREnuh, all same same, i say this as a japanese person :)
What does the "succ" in you name means?? 😊
Succession War central.
Since this very HxH related TH-cam channel s devoted to this current arc, so far.
Nasty Kakin 😂
the best trans hunter x hunter commentator
I think morena will be the girls version of shinobu sensui, maybe she has some kind of mental illness
What if some of Halkenbergs men were specialist
Nice
Chrollo working with Morena would make Nobunaga look even more hypocritical with the way he was diffracting Heil-Ly being different from the spiders
@Bft149 Nobunaga said the Heil-Ly were similar to the Spiders. If Morena and Chrolla teamed up, it would prove him right.
@@Phoenix-qu5ss in how they function and how they started for the wrongs of the world but he seems dead set on distinguishing the difference. And it aint just him that share this sentiment since Phinks and Feitan dont like the comparison. Chrollo working with Morena don’t prove it since his intent is for the spider to live on after his death which been stated since YorkNew and hasn’t changed. Chrollo only cares for the spider, Morena on the other hand is more for the sake of fulfilling her goal. She indiscriminately recruits people and convinces them to go on a murder spree for more power, regardless if they share the same feelings she has.
@@Bft149 May you bring up a difference Nobunaga distinguishes between the Heil-Ly and the Spiders and explain why it’s hypocritical? As far as I can recall, Nobunaga consistently brought up the similarities between the Heil-Ly and the Phantom Troupe while Phinks and Feitan disagreed with the comparisons. Nobunaga even figures out the Heil-Ly’s motive for killing civilians by once again comparing them to the Spiders.
@@Phoenix-qu5ss it’s hypocritical since he disagrees with a group that does just as much harm to others as the spider does. But what would make it worst is having his leader Chrollo side with who he opposes. You may not agree with me on this but he made a decision on the spiders behalf. He is an extension of the spider and reflex’s the groups desires.
You are right in that Nobunaga is defensive when Phinks and Feitan speak out. However he still decline their offer in taking part in the whole plan of destroying the world and chose to instead oppose them.
Still there seems to be differences in how Morena goes about gaining member through coerce shown in this chapter. Nobunaga believes that a “switch was flipped” that made them this way. But latter in recent chapters he concludes that this is not the “real Hei-ly” which is more accurate since we now know that not only Morena is not the real one but the moment she took over she reformed the mafia group goals.
How does Morena and Chrollo teaming prove Nobunaga was right? Sure both started from a place of anger but fundamentally share different intentions.
Chrollo wants longevity for the spider and is willing to lay his life for it.
Morena wants eradication of humanity, Kakin, and her ability goes about having her underlying spreading the chaos.
So the real Morena is dead huh, but, nobody noticed that her body changed? I mean, you can't just steal someone's identity, and current Morena seems to have always had that appearance as she looked almost the same in the flashback. I don't know, I need more details about her past 🤔
lol
At least wait for tcb to release. It’s a spoiler channel now
I generally will release as soon as there are any scans up. I've been trying to avoid real spoilers in thumbnails...
Tcb ain’t better in that regard following your logic
this arc is so boring
The virus from the contagion ability may be conjured. Idk about transmutation tho