Spot on Marina again. How a country treats refugees is how they'd treat the rest of us if they could get away with it. Leaving the ECHR would give them permission to do so. Joining the likes of Russia and Belarus? Get arrested for holding up a blank sheet of paper.
Fun Fact: We already have and own a massive migrant processing centre near Sangatte that was built by the New Labour government. The French even ceded some of their own territory so we can total sovereignty over its operations. The Tories deliberately mothballed it. We still own it. It still exists, but now we pay millions of pounds per year to guard a necessary government facility that the government deliberately mothballed so they could artificially induce a problem that they then claim they're the only people who can solve it.
@@alexritchie4586 OMG I totally forgot about that! Thanks for reminding me. I know full well that this backlog of asylum applications and the slow processing of immigrants is a deliberate ploy by the Tories.
The host keeps saying we voted this government in, but we have had 3 prime ministers since the last election, the last one wasn't even voted in by his own party, the cabinat is completely different and thet are trying to push through policies like scraping the echr that wasn't even a policy they fought on in 2019. Do we really want to give so much power to a government we have seen already abusing its position over and over again.
The host says "I hear what you're saying about the ECHR, the fact that it is our last bastion of hope against the worst sort of people, but just think about the poor poor Government. All they want to do is deport defenceless people to an unsafe country for an extraordinary price."
I don't know how the likes of Marina Purkiss keeps it together discussing these topics, I get so angry I'm literally fuming within 5 minutes! Thank goodness we have level headed people like her.
Well said marina leaving ECHR would be the worst thing we could ever do it helps us all and without it guess what the government could basically control us and we won’t have a right to fight them so many things like disability rights all sorts would no longer be there
People keep saying that we voted this government in. I don't remember joining Russia and Belarus in opening up the population to potential future rights abuses without recourse being on the ticket.
Belarus and Kazakhstan have never joind the ECHR. Russia was kicked out. Nobody has left of their own accord same with the EU until the UK commited to Harry Carry.
These fundamentalists alway use the homeless and veterans as an argument against immigration. Never at any other time do they mention the poor treatment of them. Here’s an idea. Let’s be empathetic towards the homeless and the people that come here from other countries escaping misery. Both groups have suffered and are suffering untold trauma.
There is also the chance of it keeping people more honest. It definitely limits the amount of trolls that might call in. It's probably your first argument hidden under the guise of my argument.
Get rid of the ECHR and they will get rid of the statute of limitations and go back 20 years to take capital gains off you. Did you get divorced and take money from the marital home whilst not living in it? YOU will be liable for capital gains on that property going back 20 years. It will probably be the largest tax grab in history if they go back 20 years and will result in people losing their current homes. If you think it can't happen just ask Angela Raynor?
Because in the aftermath of World War 2, most countries agreed to come together and sign a treaty stating that any refugee in the world could seek asylum in any other country. If the UK was devastated by war tomorrow, we would expect the international community to help us out, and in the same way, we in the UK have signed up to international treaties that will help people whose countries are devastated by wars and natural disasters or where people are persecuted for their race, religion, or sexuality. The hotels and this latest prison barge are just performative nonsense by this government - there's no need for any of it. What is needed is for these desperate people's asylum claims to be heard, so that they can get on with their lives. If there's a case for international law for them to be here, then they will be able to stay - and to be just like you and me, paying taxes into this country and contributing to our society. All they want is the chance to do that and to be free of the desperate conditions they're fleeing in their country of origin. They don't want to be the political football that Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer are trying to make them into, they just want to work and live an honest life like the rest of us.
@@AndyPymont Hi Andy. yes I agree with you on 99% I have worked in the USA. not as a Migrant but as a British Citizen with a passport and papers working for Boeing Aircraft Corporation in Washington State. their are ways of leaving a country legally. But smuggling in just to work, and then when you have earned a few pound return home. is not a great way of doing it. throwing all your identity away is telling me your not worthy of entering any country. 99% of these migrants have been refused assylum in Europe. ask yourself Why ? we are the dustbin of Europe and always have been. just look at the otherdays looting in london. this is just the begining. Rape and Murder, Burgulary and Theft are next on the list. yes some have honest intentions but 80% are here for gain not true assylum !!!
Tory Epstein parroting the "safe country" rhetoric makes me sick. The tories have removed safe and legal routes for refugees. The only way for a person to claim asylum is ON BRITISH SOIL, admitted by Cruella herself. 'Stop the boats' is pure and simple, red meat to the gammons. The answer is as clear as day.... process the claims in a reasonable time!
@@ZeldaKid5000 The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I really doubt if he would have had any inkling of what this organisation and society would evolve in to and that the UK would become entirely defenceless. Not just open to invasion but it being enforced by his brainchild. Everything Churchill strove for has turned to dust and decay in the modern world. For example we were promised after the war that the UK would never again be so reliant on imported food to require food rationing but that has withered away like anything else. Food inflation is our major problem and all the main parties policy of an ever increasing population without end hardly helps this. Keep good stocks of food at home if you are in the UK just in case as it does not look good. This country was on rationing until 1952 and it will come back. The young people in this country have no experience of rationing and shortages and just cannot imagine it happening. We had the energy crisis in 1973 also and a 4 day week and the reckless net zero plans will just recreate that scenario when the wind is not blowing.
@@uqs57bju What are these in the order of seven islands and their population? What actual influence do they have on the policies of the block which is effectively controlled by France and Germany? In the pre-spin and before our touchy feely days this grouping would just be called the Franco-Prussian Empire and be done with it.
@@MichaelPetek I remember how it pretty much drained our treasury dry. And that was for a single conflict over the course of two months. What you're suggesting would be transporting 40,000+ migrants in perpetuity to the Falklands, where they then need to be processed. Then what? We can't send them to Argentina as they wouldn't let us, so we'd have to transport them back to their country of origin, which for many would mean their deaths.
The problem with this just process them quicker argument is where do you say enough is enough? Do we just let the whole 3rd world in and become a minority in our own country?
Germany accepted over a million refugees last years and on average processed their claims in 6 months. We accepted less than a fifth of that. Are we really that much worse than Germany?
How many asylum seekers do you think there are? And 'processing' doesn't mean 'granting'. The media makes this a far bigger issue than it really is. Of course, for those living on the coast and in areas where asylum seekers are waiting to be processed, it's a problem... which would be solved by faster processing. But for the majority, we wouldn't even notice.
Surely it must be possible to replace/re-negotiate the ECHR Treaty of 1950 to make it more relevent to todays situation! After all it was intended for Europe and Europeans and not for the Middle East or Africa countries.
The UK is the only ones having a serious issue with it due to their own incompetence. The problem isn't as great as you think and there is multiple solutions to the issues the UK has. The Tories just doesn't want people to know that. Don't fix what isn't broken and the ECHR truly isn't that broken.
I'm all for processing-people quicker, sure... but if we rarely get to deport people, is there much-point? Might as well just save time and money and make open-borders the official-policy at this-point! 🤷🏻♂
If we’re spending £6million a day, it’s better to do it for 6 months rather than 3 years. That’s potentially 2 1/2years of them working and paying tax. Having actual safe & legal routes doesn’t mean open boarders. The birth rate is 1.56 per couple in the UK. We need immigration to deal with our aging population.
Well,that is because must of those people are granted asylum and that is why the government is in no rush to process them.instead they create this chaos.
Marina for PM! We need more Marinas in this country!
She’s good
Marina Purkiss is light in this Tory darkness,
Oh dear .... you really are desperate, Raymond.
Here here Raymond
@@janinebennett7185 Yes, come over here, Raymond, now! That's right, here! No, not there, here! Tee hee!
With a brain like yours one can only assume you rely upon your body for you income... @@stellaboulton9531
Marina the voice of reason as per
I have yet to hear one word from Epstein's mouth that I agree with. I have yet to hear one from Marina that I disagree with.
Spot on Marina again. How a country treats refugees is how they'd treat the rest of us if they could get away with it.
Leaving the ECHR would give them permission to do so.
Joining the likes of Russia and Belarus? Get arrested for holding up a blank sheet of paper.
Stop The Tories
Well said Marina common sense always 👍
It’s easier to build a processing centre in France than to do away with the ECHR.
Just like France offered 3 years ago but tories said no
Fun Fact: We already have and own a massive migrant processing centre near Sangatte that was built by the New Labour government. The French even ceded some of their own territory so we can total sovereignty over its operations.
The Tories deliberately mothballed it.
We still own it. It still exists, but now we pay millions of pounds per year to guard a necessary government facility that the government deliberately mothballed so they could artificially induce a problem that they then claim they're the only people who can solve it.
@@alexritchie4586 OMG I totally forgot about that! Thanks for reminding me. I know full well that this backlog of asylum applications and the slow processing of immigrants is a deliberate ploy by the Tories.
The host keeps saying we voted this government in, but we have had 3 prime ministers since the last election, the last one wasn't even voted in by his own party, the cabinat is completely different and thet are trying to push through policies like scraping the echr that wasn't even a policy they fought on in 2019.
Do we really want to give so much power to a government we have seen already abusing its position over and over again.
Well argued Marina! 👍
Echr protects workers rights, right to paid holidays, right to maternity leave etc
The good old veterans line 😂😂
Tories done nothing for 14 years for them😂😂😂
The host says "I hear what you're saying about the ECHR, the fact that it is our last bastion of hope against the worst sort of people, but just think about the poor poor Government. All they want to do is deport defenceless people to an unsafe country for an extraordinary price."
PROCESS THEIR CLAIMS!
What is the point of Jeremy Vine?
I don't know how the likes of Marina Purkiss keeps it together discussing these topics, I get so angry I'm literally fuming within 5 minutes! Thank goodness we have level headed people like her.
Well said marina leaving ECHR would be the worst thing we could ever do it helps us all and without it guess what the government could basically control us and we won’t have a right to fight them so many things like disability rights all sorts would no longer be there
People keep saying that we voted this government in. I don't remember joining Russia and Belarus in opening up the population to potential future rights abuses without recourse being on the ticket.
I happen to like my Human Rights I don't want fascists taking them away from me!
It's great to see intelligent women on the show and Angela Epstein.
Belarus and Kazakhstan have never joind the ECHR. Russia was kicked out. Nobody has left of their own accord same with the EU until the UK commited to Harry Carry.
Hari-kari
Is that only level the echo also protects us under the law.
These fundamentalists alway use the homeless and veterans as an argument against immigration. Never at any other time do they mention the poor treatment of them. Here’s an idea. Let’s be empathetic towards the homeless and the people that come here from other countries escaping misery. Both groups have suffered and are suffering untold trauma.
EXACTLY!!!
Thank goodness for Marina Purkiss
Really hope she eventually stands as an MP. Westminster needs more people like her to sort it out.
Totally agree@@ZeldaKid5000
How is the cruel policy 'bye the bye' ???? It's inhumane treatment which is the core of the ECHR! Alex doesn't seem to be that deep after all.
The most stupid question this year .
If suella braverman and her department process there claims then we wouldn't be talking about leaving echr
Why do we want to fly asylum seekers to Rwanda, estimates say it will cost £169000 per person
Complete madness! It’s just deflection, we argue about this while they accept bribes
Why does it cost so much to phone this channel' is it to make money or is it to stop the certain people from taking part and hearing their views.
There is also the chance of it keeping people more honest. It definitely limits the amount of trolls that might call in. It's probably your first argument hidden under the guise of my argument.
Marina for prime minister, fantastic lady .
Let’s suppose that we withdraw from the ECHR and flights to Rwanda go ahead. How many people will be moved to Rwanda…. It solves nothing!
Indeed and the plane is not coming back empty.
Just employ more borders staff to process applications
Get rid of the ECHR and they will get rid of the statute of limitations and go back 20 years to take capital gains off you. Did you get divorced and take money from the marital home whilst not living in it? YOU will be liable for capital gains on that property going back 20 years. It will probably be the largest tax grab in history if they go back 20 years and will result in people losing their current homes. If you think it can't happen just ask Angela Raynor?
BTW: what's next...leave NATO? Where does this insanity end?
Being elected doesn't mean you get to do unlawful things!
And to say my iq was twice of the shrink is an insult to me. And that was me brain damaged.
Send all migrants to BEN HABIBS house😊
Winston Churchill, I thought it was Clement Atlee who developed it.
Well said, Mark from Cornwall.
How many migrants has muira got in their house
Why is Angela disliked so much?
The AI system would know the light bulb may work but may need changed but do it.
It wouldnt change anything
Migration is not the same as asylum seeking.
It is not illegal to claim asylum. Are vi's overstayers being put in hotels too?
How can these migrants travel through france without a passport . WE CANT !!!!
Because in the aftermath of World War 2, most countries agreed to come together and sign a treaty stating that any refugee in the world could seek asylum in any other country.
If the UK was devastated by war tomorrow, we would expect the international community to help us out, and in the same way, we in the UK have signed up to international treaties that will help people whose countries are devastated by wars and natural disasters or where people are persecuted for their race, religion, or sexuality.
The hotels and this latest prison barge are just performative nonsense by this government - there's no need for any of it. What is needed is for these desperate people's asylum claims to be heard, so that they can get on with their lives. If there's a case for international law for them to be here, then they will be able to stay - and to be just like you and me, paying taxes into this country and contributing to our society. All they want is the chance to do that and to be free of the desperate conditions they're fleeing in their country of origin. They don't want to be the political football that Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer are trying to make them into, they just want to work and live an honest life like the rest of us.
Oh bore off 😴
@@AndyPymont Hi Andy. yes I agree with you on 99% I have worked in the USA. not as a Migrant but as a British Citizen with a passport and papers working for Boeing Aircraft Corporation in Washington State. their are ways of leaving a country legally. But smuggling in just to work, and then when you have earned a few pound return home. is not a great way of doing it. throwing all your identity away is telling me your not worthy of entering any country. 99% of these migrants have been refused assylum in Europe. ask yourself Why ? we are the dustbin of Europe and always have been. just look at the otherdays looting in london. this is just the begining. Rape and Murder, Burgulary and Theft are next on the list. yes some have honest intentions but 80% are here for gain not true assylum !!!
I take it your a illegal imigrant too@@jake751
Tory Epstein parroting the "safe country" rhetoric makes me sick. The tories have removed safe and legal routes for refugees. The only way for a person to claim asylum is ON BRITISH SOIL, admitted by Cruella herself. 'Stop the boats' is pure and simple, red meat to the gammons. The answer is as clear as day.... process the claims in a reasonable time!
Ch5 has the most biased callers. Not representive of the population
I took it easy today 1501
We implement action pay otjers to resolve the problem ...and if we win we will promise that all over again 😂 open bank
don't publish photos of jenrick , they make me nauseous
“What solution would that be?” Oh I don’t know. Well exactly. Its the only option left. Otherwise we just end up like a 3rd world country ourselves.
PROCESS THEM!!!
so migrants equates to the 3rd world ? what an odd logic but very British nonetheless
What an absolute joke this.
And Jeremy can you stop saying that theirs a chance of debbi Harris to answering the phone she is not is she, so your lieing. 2:54
This country is effectively under remote control from a continent which has no grasp of the particular problems of being an island.
Winston Chruchill was the brain child of the ECHR. Do you really think the defender of these isles didn't understand what it meant to be an island?
@@ZeldaKid5000 The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I really doubt if he would have had any inkling of what this organisation and society would evolve in to and that the UK would become entirely defenceless. Not just open to invasion but it being enforced by his brainchild. Everything Churchill strove for has turned to dust and decay in the modern world. For example we were promised after the war that the UK would never again be so reliant on imported food to require food rationing but that has withered away like anything else. Food inflation is our major problem and all the main parties policy of an ever increasing population without end hardly helps this. Keep good stocks of food at home if you are in the UK just in case as it does not look good. This country was on rationing until 1952 and it will come back. The young people in this country have no experience of rationing and shortages and just cannot imagine it happening. We had the energy crisis in 1973 also and a 4 day week and the reckless net zero plans will just recreate that scenario when the wind is not blowing.
Several of the members of the "continent" are islands. They voice their opinion like everyone else. The UK isn't speciel in this regard.
@@uqs57bju What are these in the order of seven islands and their population? What actual influence do they have on the policies of the block which is effectively controlled by France and Germany? In the pre-spin and before our touchy feely days this grouping would just be called the Franco-Prussian Empire and be done with it.
Why not send them to the Falkland Islands? Then, after they've been there for a while, they can be exported to Argentina.
Because the Falkland's is halfway accross the globe and would cost an astronomical amount of money to do so. And that's just reason #1 of 1000
@@ZeldaKid5000 We sent a Task Force the same distance remember.
@@MichaelPetek I remember how it pretty much drained our treasury dry. And that was for a single conflict over the course of two months. What you're suggesting would be transporting 40,000+ migrants in perpetuity to the Falklands, where they then need to be processed. Then what? We can't send them to Argentina as they wouldn't let us, so we'd have to transport them back to their country of origin, which for many would mean their deaths.
Your comment is too stupid to be worthy of a an answer.
The UK has had 13 years to sort this out. Anne widdecombe was spot on when she said a processing centre should have been built in France
The problem with this just process them quicker argument is where do you say enough is enough? Do we just let the whole 3rd world in and become a minority in our own country?
Do like Spain. There are solutions.
Germany accepted over a million refugees last years and on average processed their claims in 6 months. We accepted less than a fifth of that. Are we really that much worse than Germany?
How many asylum seekers do you think there are? And 'processing' doesn't mean 'granting'. The media makes this a far bigger issue than it really is. Of course, for those living on the coast and in areas where asylum seekers are waiting to be processed, it's a problem... which would be solved by faster processing. But for the majority, we wouldn't even notice.
Send them to canada or new Zealand
New Zealand or Canada? Are you a bit simple?
Surely it must be possible to replace/re-negotiate the ECHR Treaty of 1950 to make it more relevent to todays situation! After all it was intended for Europe and Europeans and not for the Middle East or Africa countries.
It's for those on European soil regardless of thier origin
The UK is the only ones having a serious issue with it due to their own incompetence. The problem isn't as great as you think and there is multiple solutions to the issues the UK has. The Tories just doesn't want people to know that. Don't fix what isn't broken and the ECHR truly isn't that broken.
Of course, people of Middle East or African countries are not human(???)
I'm all for processing-people quicker, sure... but if we rarely get to deport people, is there much-point? Might as well just save time and money and make open-borders the official-policy at this-point! 🤷🏻♂
If we’re spending £6million a day, it’s better to do it for 6 months rather than 3 years. That’s potentially 2 1/2years of them working and paying tax.
Having actual safe & legal routes doesn’t mean open boarders. The birth rate is 1.56 per couple in the UK. We need immigration to deal with our aging population.
@@kennycube5126 how many of these so called needed migrants are you housing seeing as you seem to think we need them , or are you NIMBY
That’s the plan from labour “ borders open to the whole world “
Well,that is because must of those people are granted asylum and that is why the government is in no rush to process them.instead they create this chaos.