Although Maki is stated to be equal to Toji in stats, Toji should take the W because of his extensive arsenal and experience, two things that Maki is lacking in compared to Toji.
@@joshuawilliams639 Experience is one of the least important things in shonen. We have 17 and 18 year old students with 1-3 ish years of experience beating Sorcerers from the past like Uro, Ryu and Kashimo with a lifetime of experience. Especially Kashimo since we see he lived until old age and was undefeated. Toji lost to a teenager himself despite having the perfect counters to Gojo’s main ability. Yuta also beat Geto despite having about 3 months of experience compared to Geto’s decade plus. Yuji surpassed every Grade 4-2 Sorcerer and is among the higher tier Grade 1 sorcerers despite having a few months experience total. Higaruma became a sorcerer 2 or so weeks ago and managed to get 100 points from both past and modern sorcerers etc Even worse for Toji is that his experience comes from prep time. He doesn’t have many mid fight battle IQ feats. Maki’s been shown to have a higher battle IQ than Toji has been shown. If Toji’s is greater, it hasn’t been shown
Stats wise they are equal, however toji is such a smart fighter. He doesn’t go into fights with strong opponents without planning out every move. His battle iq and experience obviously give toji the edge, but I feel like somehow in the future maki will surpass toji
Toji has better prep time, Maki has a better battle IQ, and prep time won’t help in a vs battle style fight unless you allow him prep time, but then you’d also have to allow Maki the same courtesy. But the thing is, Toji hasn’t been shown to have any weapons which hard counter Maki
@@jocoolshow what does him not showing a weapon that hard counters have to do anything? It’s a nothing statement, wether he has a hard counter or not doesnt matter because if prep time is given maki has no chance
@@jocoolshowblud what were on fr before writing that asspull Toji>=maki toji has better brains and brawn and more experience and experience is everything to upgrade urself to top level maki is growing but she's at most relative to toji not high or low
toji's arsenal in hidden inventory is absolutely busted...besides inverted spear of heaven, soul liberation blade and chain of thousand miles he also had Playful cloud, several other cursed energy katannas ,guns etc....he probably also had a rifle or machine gun something 🗿.
Gojo got SO lucky by beating Toji. Imagine how different the JJK world would be if someone as broken as Toji were still around. Yes Maki is alive, but she’s one of the good guys, whereas Toji didn’t care. That lack of a moral compass coupled with the terrifying strength of Toji Zen’in is something truly formidable
@@grandtrashpanda3205 I’m just saying that 15%/3 finger sukuna was as fast as Toji as stated by megumi when he fought him and the fact that gojo was/should be around full power sukuna level rn should mean that just as toji thought a full power pre awakened gojo could have killed toji tldr gojo wasn’t lucky he killed toji it was more like toji was lucky to have weakened gojo to the point he could kill him
@Kovarri Taking down the base Gojo that nobody was able to defeat in ages isnt experience? (Including Kenjaku) Keeping the bounty active on the plasma vessel to weaken the six eyes isnt experience? Staying invisible taking down two special grades isnt experience? you should re read that entire arc
@@cram2891 yeah young geto wasn't a special grade he wasa at top of grade 1 gojo was def grade 1 and stronger than most characters even in current time
Maki is so slept on. “Yuta”, “Megumi”, “Yuji”, “Sumi”… bruh let’s talk about Maki. She’s the reincarnate (metaphorically) of the guy that defeated a six eyes and limitless user. So excited to see her more.
He also got completely shit on by the same limitless and six eyes user the same day after he actually learned to use his abilities properly He also needed so many advantages to beat gojo he was never actually stronger
@@jacobgallegos8762 literally no one thinks Toji was ever truly stronger than Gojo, however the fact that he beat him at all is a testament to his strength and intellect. He was able to formulate a plan that would place Gojo at enough of a disadvantage that he would be able to best him in a fight. Intellectually Toji is superior to Gojo, however his arrogance and Gojo's own talent for jujutsu lead to his defeat
@@_yom_3987 even then he’s not smarter He was outsmarting someone in a game the other didn’t even know about and he had the strongest weapon in jjk Plus gojo was a teenager so if u wanna say he’s smarter than a child that’s fine but he’s definitely not smarter than adult gojo
@@jacobgallegos8762 of course he's not smarter than adult Gojo, literally no one scales even close to adult Gojo aside for like Sukuna. Also besting student Gojo for that very same reason is nothing to scoff at, he may have been a child but he is also a prodigy that shook the jujutsu world just by being born. It's true he might not be actually smarter because he had the benefit of foresight but I don't see why you're so desperate to deny the fact that Toji is still an incredibly strong character even if he is weaker than Gojo. Like I'm not even saying he was ever stronger than Gojo cos he wasn't but the fact that he still beat him almost anyway says a lot about him
I’m excited to see if Maki will get a weapon arsenal like Toji with Megumi now being the head of the Zen’in. The soul liberation blade seems busted but it’s interesting the Toji had it as well and still used other weapons. Plus we don’t know how Toji got his soul liberation blade but Maki may be more tied to hers since it’s Mai.
Crazy theory time. We now know Maki doesn't get recognized by Domains; what if she also doesn't get recognized by Megumi's summoning ritual. This would allow her to help him defeat Mahoraga without sacrificing his ability to control it in the future. There's even the possibility Mahoraga wouldn't be able to adapt to her sword.
What maki is capable now , toji had done all in his childhood and plus , it was mentioned while fighting gojo , toji was getting rusty so , he was way above maki even when she is younger than him . Toji has a huge arsenal and very high IQ . Toji finished dagon while being in the match for few seconds , it shows his capacity and capability to counter any problem in matter of seconds
@@rashidkatana9092 yeah, but most of the previous six eye users would've been that level. I don't think any of the previous Six eye + limitless users would've been the current gojo so that's more of what I meant since it in the past it wasn't Gojo stopping Kenjaku.
Toji takes this the are equal but toji has more cursed tools than maki as she only cares a single blade and toji has had more years of experience. It’s like saying every six eyes and limitless users were all on the same level. Experience also comes in play same way as understanding of cursed energy would for gojo clan curse users.
@Kovarri he actually does remember it said he’s dad used to take him to the room filled with cursed spirits from the time he was a kid. Maki and mai only started training when the went to jujutsu tech because the were only doing maid work at the zenin clan since the were considered failures
It's scary Toji is a superhuman using deadly weapons. You never know he got bombs, Acid, or any other lethal weapons that can kill a human regardless if you're a sorcerer or not. Conventional weapons are still reliable compared to Curse energy.
People are forgetting that toji has trained his body AFTER he got heavenly restriction and is far stronger in terms of strength, he speed blitzed gojo,and he killed 2 special grade curses that are the strongest geto had, Maki's fights against the zenin clan doesnt prove anything considering they are all grade 1 curses, Toji fought 2 Special grade that are far faster then the zenin clans projection technique doesnt even touch toji. Naoya would be a low diff to toji in terms of fighting and jus abilities compared to tojis planning n smart iq, Maki can match Toji in terms of hand to hand but if u really think maki is stronger then toji when she jus got her abilities you must be mistaken considering she only fought grade 1 curses and hasnt fought a special grade yet, let alone tojis weapons that he could use to get the edge against maki. The way he mastered that chain is unparalleled in terms of makis feats, he would mid/high diff maki Ik yall maki fans gon be mad but look at the facts, she strong but not a toji level yet, maybe when she fights sukuna we can determine if she surpasses him or not, which i doubt she will but she has a chance. Toji was resurrected in shibuya and still killed a special grade (Beyond easily) that was getting better as it fought nanami,maki,and the projector user, let alone maki needing to be saved by the projector user. oh ye did u forget how he ragdolled megumi and threw maki giving them big brother treatment? Thats what would B happennin the fight, since toji gets excited against stronger opponents he will realise shes like him and ooh boy would he get on the offensive and strategize far better then maki could Case closed If u wanna argue abt it we can
I honestly love both characters. Although there's one thing that I never got.... like we know that both of them have no curse energy, and that maki needs special glasses just to see curses, but that wasn't the case for toji. Even now that Maki has gotten to Toji's level, she doesn't need her glasses anymore.
@@emmaevergarden yeah makes sense. Toji having such heightened senses , that he can sense curses. Didn't knew that maki had just a small amount of curse energy. I always thought that she didn't, and that was why she was shunned by the zennin. Thank you.
@@MrDanielzx Toji doesn't just "sense" curses, he can straight up see and hear them(Maki can as well). This makes me wonder if Maki and toji can hear things normal humans wouldn't be able to?
@@grandtrashpanda3205 Wasn't that him just seeing footprints though? I'm pretty sure he made fun of Geto because he couldn't understand how Toji found them.
@@nugget6820 I don't think so at least, from what I remember it was more smell, and the slight indents or scratches on the paths they were walking on. Which wouldn't even be possible for the highest irl human to detect, even with 20/20 vision
The fact is that, most of jjk characters can't even lay a finger on gojo, and toji nearly killed him only if he aims for his head. That simply tells how op toji is
@@NeoReoxis To be fair, Toji did absolutely smoke Gojo in all other areas of the battle. The blitz was cleaaan and he did avoid everything the young sorcerer threw out. Gojo is more than just infinity. The fight was far from fair, but a rusty Toji did dogwalk the guy. Before defeating a Geto in a clean fight, who at the time was relative to Gojo
@@somerandomdiamond7345 Toji didn’t dogwalk Gojo at all tf, tho Toji definitely outplayed Gojo he easily kept up with Toji and every clean hit on him was because of the spear of heaven or an off guard attack the second round proves how it was never close even if Gojo didn’t use HP 😭
@@NeoReoxisyou act as if gojo isnt the strongest being in existence wtf💀 toji beating him at all is a feat in itself, without even bleeding, id argue toji could still pose a threat even if gojo wasnt worn out and had to protect people.
Ok, crazy theory time. We now know Maki doesn't get recognized by Domains; what if she also doesn't get recognized by Megumi's summoning ritual. This would allow her to help him defeat Mahoraga without sacrificing his ability to control it in the future. There's even the possibility Mahoraga wouldn't be able to adapt to her sword.
Toji or Maki coumd easily kill Mahoraga. They are as fast or faster than Mahoraga. As strong as mahoraga. And have tooks that can delete his durability. You can't adapt to something that isn't a technique. As he only adapts to techniques. Plus ISOH could help stop Mahoraga adapt to attacks from Megumi's support (as he would probably have to do atleast the last hit to claim Mahoraga.)
I STFG once these people read / watch the toji fight we really start to understand why the characters are sickasf and this series is different EDIT: I mean obviously the domain expansion at the start of the series with mahito is an insanely cool moment by itself too but still the toji fight is peak battle manga writing.
That's call being stubborn or you didn't read 198 because after she beat naoya and trained with the sumo guy she became "...A demonic fighter equal to Toji Zen'in... ...Was fully realized."
@@goodgamingtv415Toji has a better arsenal, BIQ, experience, planning, etc please don’t just nitpick the parts of the manga you want to. They’re considered ‘the same’ because they’re both lethal Heavenly Restriction fighters with 0 cursed energy and incredibly powerful in combat, they’re not just the same person
I will say they do not simply use the air density and temperature. But state straight up "If you can sense everything else". This plus how they show abilities to track people out of something as simple as steps on concrete, great hearing and sight. I believe their every sense is superhumanly amped and extended making this superior to that and echolocation too to a great extent.
People are talking about their arsenals and such And that has gotten me curious about what will happen if Yuuta and Maki teams up again, giving her access to Rika's arsenal, they'd be unstoppable
Im saying Toji wins just because hear me out Maki simps, Toji has more experience with his full heavenly restriction and he has more cursed tools including the Inverted spear of heaven and the chain of a thousand miles, i also believe he also has the playful cloud which was originally his in the inventory curse and they both have a soul split katana and plus Toji has a lot of Battle IQ and can make such devastating plans to kill people they don’t call him the Sorcerer Killer for no reason
Toji wins because he has more tools. They're confirmed equal in literally everything else though, and if you deny otherwise then you're saying toji doesn't get to scale against makis current feats which would mean she blitzes and oneshots him.
I’d like the a concept where any Heavenly Restriction person will get stronger over time. Constantly growing in power the longer they live and train. Maki is a great example of that so far. A decade more and she’ll be better than even Toji. If this idea is ever realized. Otherwise, she’ll only ever be Toji’s equal.
i also would like to point out despite them being declared equals the fact that a males bone density and muscle mass is more and with ho well built toji is i think its a wrap
The thing is that Toji will win in every scenario because of the experience he has. Maki wouldn't have been created if Toji wasn't a part of the Zenin clan because of his H.R his blood was:passed down in the family enabling her to be created.
The only small, tiny little thing you got wrong, was Gojo in his teen years already being faster than Naobito. Pre-awakened Gojo wasn’t as fast as awakened Gojo and it’s not even close in speed. Comparing how Toji blitzed him to him blitzing Toji. We saw how Naoya was able to keep up and hit Maki with attacks. Given at this point, both Naoya and Maki were lesser versions of Naobito and Toji, we can say that Naobito is faster the pre-awakened teen Gojo.
did you know toji blitz daragon who had the capacity to react to Naobito speed and defend him self front of him. Soo actualy (PRIME) revived Toji is theoretically faster than gojo. Cause Naobito was almost as fast as Gojo . Compared to maki who barely keep up with 15 finger sukuna.
@@ryugakishutsu8535 nowhere was it stated that Naobito was almost as fast as Gojo. All that was stated was he is known as the fastest Jujutsu sorcerer (excluding Satoru Gojo) because he gained this title before Gojo was born. Naobito was also blitzing Dagon before the domain, the only reason Dagon starts dodging is because Naobito lost an arm and that’s implied to slow him down a lot.
They are equal factually but if I had to choose one, toji high-extreme diff. He seems to have higher battle IQ and smarter. I guess experience could be a factor but tbh that's not really a factor in jjk where we have teens fighting ancient sorcerers lol. But maybe in a fight with exactly equal stats, experience might play a role. Also the weapons diff. Yes they both have the same sword but toji has a whole cursed spirit with weapons and other cursed spirits at his disposal. I think toji wins but still with pretty much high-extreme diff. If maki manages to achieve what toji has, they'd basically end up killing each other
they are completely equal fighters as stated at the end of sakurajima colony. This means skill, stats, biq, etc. The only tool toji could and would use against maki is soulsplitter, the flyheads would do nothing due to maki's sensory abilities and speed and same with the gun. The fight is a 50/50
Flyheads can still be deployed as a distraction nonetheless. And can be used as a “screen” to hide behind. Toji has WAY more overall experience, in terms of battle IQ Maki gets shit on. Toji can adapt to any situation at the split of a second and has a more versatile repertoire of weapons. More styles of fighting and defending.
@@shyysteebleedem what is a gun gonna do against someone who can catch bullets, what is the inverted spear of heaven gonna do to someone with no techniques and the fly head would still do nothing because of the pseudo precog that maki and toji have. Sure i’ll give you that Toji has more experience but maki has shown a lot more skill when it comes to up close combat and blades, the fighting style toji mainly uses during his fights is trying to distract the opponent with speed which would not work on maki. The fight is a 50/50 and you can deal with it.
No, that’s not the case at all. They’re the same because they’re both brutal fighters with 0 cursed energy but Heavenly Restriction granting them amazing strength. They’re not just literally the same person 😂 he has a much better arsenal and BIQ than her too
@@QuesoMan72I mean... there way more experience for Toji, larger arsenal, more Battle IQ, and more. Equal in terms of pure physical strength sure but there is a reason why experienced fighters can beat normal citizens who are stronger than them 99.9% of the time.
I think Toji would beat the shit out of Maki, Toji made the exact same cleaning of the curses in the training room age 9.. Aside Toji fought sorceress for a living, it’s different fighting to kill due to anger and doing it for funsies
Dude what? Are you saying Toji doesn’t? He is THE sorcerer killer, he is skilled with a massive arsenal of weapons and martial arts. My guy Maki does not take this.
Maybe she might be even to Toji stat-wise after he got rusty but in his prime no way. Buy Toji is so much more calculated, experienced, and intuitive, my man took advantage of flies the jjk high neglected as a smoke screen and made a plan to wear down Gojo. But I am so biased Toji is so cool.
i think in character maki wins for one reason toji messes around when hes fighting women and put himself in situations to get hit and the soul liberation blade 1 shots people so i think 6 times out of 10 he lets himself get hit on underestimates her
@@NoGunPowder.thats the target but he didnt do the same for the curse only got serious when it cut his ear off plus toji is a bum that gets carried by maki statements and feats
12:48 Toji literally tried it with awakened Gojo without any prep and against his own judgment. Compared to the DAYS worth of prep to get the first W (the bounty, the flyheads, the use of terrain), he basically fucked around and found out in the 2nd round. And that was CLEARLY a stronger Gojo since he himself calles him awakened. Maki is a tactician and combat tutor among the other students. Her intelligence and raw martial arts skills was downplayed this whole video. They are both great and nearly equal. They both were shown to overwhelm an opponent and then be overwhelmed by the SAME opponent after they recieved a power up. Only difference is Maki beat hers eventually. I think Toji's profession gives him the edge when he has prep time, and makes him less able to grow mid battle. But Maki seems to grow alot DURING fights. Characters like Gojo and Sukuna also grow stronger by pushing limits i an a fight. My money is on Maki.
Toji was stated to be able to defeat awakened Gojo if Gojo didn't have Hollow Purple and just saying that makes you imagine how insanly strong that guy is. Also you can't really make the arguement that Maki can grow more and defeated her opponent when Toji was fighting THE Gojo. Maki vs Toji, Toji wins med or high diff if no prep time because more experience, arsenal, ans Battle IQ.
Can u do how strong is Yuji the mc of the anime I always wondered where he would scale once he reaches his max potential cause supposedly and I could be wrong he has the potential to be special grade?
According to Gojo, Yuji will eventually make Sukuna's rituals his own, which would mean being one of the top tier sorcerers, considering that Gojo himself said that innate talent and inherited rituals make most of a sorcerer's overall strength.
Being 1 of the strongest said by animebreakdown he was saying to gojo but gojo is the strongest in jjk so saying 1 of the strongest is a bit of a underestimating to gojo because he is the strongest yes I'm a gojo fan boy
The only way I'll admit Maki is stronger than Toji if she got the feat of "killing" Gojo. That's it. Gege really kill her off in the future. The reason she still alive is because of plot armour.
Toji with ISOH could cancel out hollow purple cause of logic. Meaning Toji could of killed Gojo again if he didn't use the chain and just went full on with the ISOH. Toji shouldn't of lost. Toji should be able to even beat Gojo from Shibuya ark if he had info on his domain and hollow.
@@TCSceptrengl that end bit about shibuya arc Gojo is absolutely crazy but the first bit isn’t. Toji was surprised by hollow purple and underestimated Gojo
Keep in mind Maki is fucking 16 as of the latest chapter (chapter 235 as this comment is being written and published) LMFAO, Toji is around 30 years old during Hidden Inventory, of course he'd be wayy more experienced, which is the only thing he has over Maki to me "i don't take weapons into consideration, because Toji lost his whole armory to Gojo and Geto, the ISOH "which would be ineffective against Maki regardless" and the chain of a thousand miles got both destroyed by Gojo, and Maki currently has the whole Zenin weaponry at her disposal as of Megumi becoming the head of the clan and Maki getting rid of everyone in it, even though as of currently she has only been shown using Playful Cloud, Dragonbone and the Soul Liberation Blade". Maki will eventually catch up to Toji in the experience department, that is just bound to happen at some point, which is why i also believe Maki has overall an higher potential and overall growth curve seeing how at her age she is already regarded as a fighter *equal* to Toji Fushiguro. However, i do agree that if current Maki were to fight against prime Toji, she'd probably lose due to a lack of experience, but it'd be an extreme diff fight for both sides nonetheless. She's pretty cunning and smart for her age aswell, during the Goodwill arc she immediately understood and counteracted Miwa's simple domain just by looking at it "she wasn't even awakened back then", and as she was fighting Naoya for the first time, she understood how projection sorcery works and countered it with no external input "she knew projection Sorcery was a thing, but she didn't know how it works".
Why did Maki sit still when fighting Dagon? Toji did all the work, end of story. Toji absolutely stomps low diff, and he stole her weapon. How many brain cells do you have? Also, please look at their physiques. Men are stronger than women.
@@thefives7ar Maki wasn't awakened against Dagon 💀, if she was, she would've gave him the Toji treatment, that's obvious. I have no business arguing with you, your comment pretty much tells me that you've read the series with your eyes closed.
honestly i believe they are the same in physicla stats but maki has battle iq while toji has iq overall maki is definetly badass but toji had that him factor even in death the guy looked cold as sh
Nah. He has better battle IQ and Skill overall. A VAST more versatile arsenal of weapons. Chains of thousand miles is strong as fuck lol. And he has the SAME sword as her. Soul Splitter.
Toji did not beat the same geto from the movie… Blatantly ignoring the fact that geto and gojo got significantly stronger he went from using a handful of curses to a literal army of curses and fighting two special grades at the same time
Yeah but toji was also rusty. No one knows how much stronger he was in his prime but yeah u make a good point. Ain’t no way toji is beating current gojo but I think he can give geto a run for his money
@@jacobgallegos8762 The movie didn't do him dirty. Yuta is just that strong. Also Rika is the queen of curses. Sukuna is the king of curses. He was going up against one of the strongest curses of all time and the second strongest sorcerer in the series.
@@friedhotwings yes zero majority fucked up it makes no sense for geto to not have rct or a domain Plus him thinking he could beat gojo with rika is delusional as hell
The main difference now is experience and arsenals and Toji wins in both categories. You could also argue that Toji is smarter but I think Maki makes up for that by being more ruthless.
Man, the toji wank is absurd. While I do agree he beats Maki as she is now. I honestly don't understand how you highballed this guy by using feats of him defeating extremely fatigued and out of prime teenage not even special grade Satoru and Getou. Satoru yes, but Getou no. Satoru was not even an honored one yet and Toji was terrified of him, having to set up bounties and surprise attacks just to off him and Getou wasn't even a special grade at that time, he was still grade 1 and wasn't considered a special grade until his 3rd year, 2 years after the event occurred. The feats sounds phenomenal off first listen but are actually quite weak considering if Kenjaku had an appropriate form then (whatever body he had was obviously not good enough at the time) he could have implemented the exact same strategy Toji used on Gojo. His knowledge of assassination is what allowed the W not some 1v1 scenario. It's not impressive.
Toji is stronger let’s forget that weight classes body mass and testosterone are in the jjk verse even though besides mostly in JP the rest of the world is relatively normal let’s say they both get the same buff from the heavenly restriction meaning that if they did (hypothetically) lose their powers then who do your thinck is stronger a middle aged jacked 6 foot man or a 16 year old girl and the answer to that will tell you who is stronger when they both get the same increase in strength
Gege couldn’t written it any other way to have Gojo survive. I don’t think stabbing Gojo in the head when he on record doesn’t know RCT is low IQ but hey
Toji said he was rusty when fighting Gojo, and it’s shown when he doesn’t use the spear to stab Gojo in the head. If it was Toji ZENIN he would’ve murdered Gojo.
I think Toji wins but high diff. Toji was already in his prime when he fought Gojo and Geto who both were still young (but powerful) Maki is just now hitting her prime and I feel like have had harder fights not being able to have prep time before most of her matches
My vote goes for maki just because she's more upfront and brutal with her attacks while toji was more of an assasin who seemingly didn't favor having lengthy battles Also it's highly unlikely that toji has already fought someone with the same stats as him while maki has prior knowledge about toji. Hey that's just my opinion cause we'll never know
Although Maki is stated to be equal to Toji in stats, Toji should take the W because of his extensive arsenal and experience, two things that Maki is lacking in compared to Toji.
I definitely agree with you. Nothing beats experience
@@joshuawilliams639 Experience is one of the least important things in shonen. We have 17 and 18 year old students with 1-3 ish years of experience beating Sorcerers from the past like Uro, Ryu and Kashimo with a lifetime of experience. Especially Kashimo since we see he lived until old age and was undefeated. Toji lost to a teenager himself despite having the perfect counters to Gojo’s main ability. Yuta also beat Geto despite having about 3 months of experience compared to Geto’s decade plus. Yuji surpassed every Grade 4-2 Sorcerer and is among the higher tier Grade 1 sorcerers despite having a few months experience total. Higaruma became a sorcerer 2 or so weeks ago and managed to get 100 points from both past and modern sorcerers etc
Even worse for Toji is that his experience comes from prep time. He doesn’t have many mid fight battle IQ feats. Maki’s been shown to have a higher battle IQ than Toji has been shown. If Toji’s is greater, it hasn’t been shown
@@jocoolshow thank you. People just suck off toji when the story hasn’t shown any “experience” feats for him. It just shows prep time feats
@@JonDexler this teen Gojo would’ve lost to jogo
@@jocoolshow those 2 relied on pure strength and yuta was just stronger. Toji is shown to analyze and formulate ways to face against cursed techniques
Stats wise they are equal, however toji is such a smart fighter. He doesn’t go into fights with strong opponents without planning out every move. His battle iq and experience obviously give toji the edge, but I feel like somehow in the future maki will surpass toji
Toji has better prep time, Maki has a better battle IQ, and prep time won’t help in a vs battle style fight unless you allow him prep time, but then you’d also have to allow Maki the same courtesy. But the thing is, Toji hasn’t been shown to have any weapons which hard counter Maki
@@jocoolshow there isnt any hardcounters. But toji still have more options. Like range or the abilities of his arsenal
@@jocoolshow what does him not showing a weapon that hard counters have to do anything? It’s a nothing statement, wether he has a hard counter or not doesnt matter because if prep time is given maki has no chance
maki doesnt even come close to beating teen gojo. its not just a small advantage
@@jocoolshowblud what were on fr before writing that asspull
Toji>=maki toji has better brains and brawn and more experience and experience is everything to upgrade urself to top level maki is growing but she's at most relative to toji not high or low
toji's arsenal in hidden inventory is absolutely busted...besides inverted spear of heaven, soul liberation blade and chain of thousand miles he also had Playful cloud, several other cursed energy katannas ,guns etc....he probably also had a rifle or machine gun something 🗿.
Gojo got SO lucky by beating Toji. Imagine how different the JJK world would be if someone as broken as Toji were still around. Yes Maki is alive, but she’s one of the good guys, whereas Toji didn’t care. That lack of a moral compass coupled with the terrifying strength of Toji Zen’in is something truly formidable
Toji is stronger than Maki, so her existing doesn't even work lol
I mean Toji did weaken gojo by making him fight 2 days straight before Toji and gojo fought.
@@AnderZone So? That's not thr point
@@grandtrashpanda3205 I’m just saying that 15%/3 finger sukuna was as fast as Toji as stated by megumi when he fought him and the fact that gojo was/should be around full power sukuna level rn should mean that just as toji thought a full power pre awakened gojo could have killed toji tldr gojo wasn’t lucky he killed toji it was more like toji was lucky to have weakened gojo to the point he could kill him
@@AnderZone Luck had nothing to do with it, Toji knew he couldn't fight a healthy Gojo so he tired him out before fighting, as you stated
My initial thought: Toji due to his knowledge and experience
After the video:Still Toji
Literally me.
@Kovarri Taking down the base Gojo that nobody was able to defeat in ages isnt experience? (Including Kenjaku)
Keeping the bounty active on the plasma vessel to weaken the six eyes isnt experience?
Staying invisible taking down two special grades isnt experience?
you should re read that entire arc
@@mello7535 not to mention taking down another special grade right after gojo who were both proclaimed as the strongest
@@iAmSevere Young Geto wasn’t a Special Grade, chapter 73.
@@cram2891 yeah young geto wasn't a special grade he wasa at top of grade 1 gojo was def grade 1 and stronger than most characters even in current time
Maki is so slept on. “Yuta”, “Megumi”, “Yuji”, “Sumi”… bruh let’s talk about Maki. She’s the reincarnate (metaphorically) of the guy that defeated a six eyes and limitless user. So excited to see her more.
He also got completely shit on by the same limitless and six eyes user the same day after he actually learned to use his abilities properly
He also needed so many advantages to beat gojo he was never actually stronger
@@jacobgallegos8762 literally no one thinks Toji was ever truly stronger than Gojo, however the fact that he beat him at all is a testament to his strength and intellect. He was able to formulate a plan that would place Gojo at enough of a disadvantage that he would be able to best him in a fight. Intellectually Toji is superior to Gojo, however his arrogance and Gojo's own talent for jujutsu lead to his defeat
@@_yom_3987 even then he’s not smarter
He was outsmarting someone in a game the other didn’t even know about and he had the strongest weapon in jjk
Plus gojo was a teenager so if u wanna say he’s smarter than a child that’s fine but he’s definitely not smarter than adult gojo
@@jacobgallegos8762 of course he's not smarter than adult Gojo, literally no one scales even close to adult Gojo aside for like Sukuna. Also besting student Gojo for that very same reason is nothing to scoff at, he may have been a child but he is also a prodigy that shook the jujutsu world just by being born. It's true he might not be actually smarter because he had the benefit of foresight but I don't see why you're so desperate to deny the fact that Toji is still an incredibly strong character even if he is weaker than Gojo. Like I'm not even saying he was ever stronger than Gojo cos he wasn't but the fact that he still beat him almost anyway says a lot about him
REAL. Maki is best girl of JJK, badass and such a great character.
I’m excited to see if Maki will get a weapon arsenal like Toji with Megumi now being the head of the Zen’in. The soul liberation blade seems busted but it’s interesting the Toji had it as well and still used other weapons. Plus we don’t know how Toji got his soul liberation blade but Maki may be more tied to hers since it’s Mai.
Toni must have gotten the soul liberation from his twin too since maki and Toji share the same parallels
Crazy theory time. We now know Maki doesn't get recognized by Domains; what if she also doesn't get recognized by Megumi's summoning ritual. This would allow her to help him defeat Mahoraga without sacrificing his ability to control it in the future. There's even the possibility Mahoraga wouldn't be able to adapt to her sword.
@@threes_leaves you might be spitting but the risk of Mahoraga packing them both up at once is terrifying lol
Megumi ded
@@TheNextManimalI ain’t gonna lie she would get slimed and so would megumi
Toji is just on a whole other level.
What maki is capable now , toji had done all in his childhood and plus , it was mentioned while fighting gojo , toji was getting rusty so , he was way above maki even when she is younger than him . Toji has a huge arsenal and very high IQ . Toji finished dagon while being in the match for few seconds , it shows his capacity and capability to counter any problem in matter of seconds
A high IQ is a big advanatge. Someone with higher fight IQ can better utilize there advantages.
Oh shit, 9:50 is a very good point.
Man did what Kenjaku couldn't at first attempt...
Two different gojos though the level gojo is at now those tricks wouldn't work
@@rashidkatana9092 yeah, but most of the previous six eye users would've been that level.
I don't think any of the previous Six eye + limitless users would've been the current gojo so that's more of what I meant since it in the past it wasn't Gojo stopping Kenjaku.
I think once Maki has more experience and fully adjusts to her new body and capabilities, she will be an even match for Toji.
She’s already an equal but as far as an arsenal on par with Toji.. she needs more time for that.
Nuh daddy WINS 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Toji takes this the are equal but toji has more cursed tools than maki as she only cares a single blade and toji has had more years of experience. It’s like saying every six eyes and limitless users were all on the same level. Experience also comes in play same way as understanding of cursed energy would for gojo clan curse users.
@Kovarri he actually does remember it said he’s dad used to take him to the room filled with cursed spirits from the time he was a kid. Maki and mai only started training when the went to jujutsu tech because the were only doing maid work at the zenin clan since the were considered failures
Toji wins, Maki doesn't come close to him
Toji also has guns
It's scary Toji is a superhuman using deadly weapons. You never know he got bombs, Acid, or any other lethal weapons that can kill a human regardless if you're a sorcerer or not. Conventional weapons are still reliable compared to Curse energy.
Lets not forget, toji was only rusty with his *lethality* on gojo.
People are forgetting that toji has trained his body AFTER he got heavenly restriction and is far stronger in terms of strength, he speed blitzed gojo,and he killed 2 special grade curses that are the strongest geto had, Maki's fights against the zenin clan doesnt prove anything considering they are all grade 1 curses, Toji fought 2 Special grade that are far faster then the zenin clans projection technique doesnt even touch toji. Naoya would be a low diff to toji in terms of fighting and jus abilities compared to tojis planning n smart iq, Maki can match Toji in terms of hand to hand but if u really think maki is stronger then toji when she jus got her abilities you must be mistaken considering she only fought grade 1 curses and hasnt fought a special grade yet, let alone tojis weapons that he could use to get the edge against maki. The way he mastered that chain is unparalleled in terms of makis feats, he would mid/high diff maki
Ik yall maki fans gon be mad but look at the facts, she strong but not a toji level yet, maybe when she fights sukuna we can determine if she surpasses him or not, which i doubt she will but she has a chance. Toji was resurrected in shibuya and still killed a special grade (Beyond easily) that was getting better as it fought nanami,maki,and the projector user, let alone maki needing to be saved by the projector user.
oh ye did u forget how he ragdolled megumi and threw maki giving them big brother treatment?
Thats what would B happennin the fight, since toji gets excited against stronger opponents he will realise shes like him and ooh boy would he get on the offensive and strategize far better then maki could
Case closed
If u wanna argue abt it we can
Toji was a master of stealth, I'd bet on the OG.
I honestly love both characters. Although there's one thing that I never got.... like we know that both of them have no curse energy, and that maki needs special glasses just to see curses, but that wasn't the case for toji. Even now that Maki has gotten to Toji's level, she doesn't need her glasses anymore.
@@emmaevergarden yeah makes sense. Toji having such heightened senses , that he can sense curses. Didn't knew that maki had just a small amount of curse energy. I always thought that she didn't, and that was why she was shunned by the zennin. Thank you.
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Toji doesn't just "sense" curses, he can straight up see and hear them(Maki can as well). This makes me wonder if Maki and toji can hear things normal humans wouldn't be able to?
@@nugget6820 they definitely can, the gojos past arc featured that skill with Toji sensing human residuals to find Geto
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Wasn't that him just seeing footprints though? I'm pretty sure he made fun of Geto because he couldn't understand how Toji found them.
@@nugget6820 I don't think so at least, from what I remember it was more smell, and the slight indents or scratches on the paths they were walking on. Which wouldn't even be possible for the highest irl human to detect, even with 20/20 vision
Not gonna lie I haven't read jjk entirely but what I've seen 👌👌 Also Maki among any Anime/Manga girl is top tier. Love her personality and design.
A warrior who comes up with strategies while fighting against a hunter who plans everything out to ensure his victory
The fact is that, most of jjk characters can't even lay a finger on gojo, and toji nearly killed him only if he aims for his head. That simply tells how op toji is
Because of infinity… which Toji only bypassed with a cursed tool 😭
@@NeoReoxis To be fair, Toji did absolutely smoke Gojo in all other areas of the battle. The blitz was cleaaan and he did avoid everything the young sorcerer threw out.
Gojo is more than just infinity. The fight was far from fair, but a rusty Toji did dogwalk the guy. Before defeating a Geto in a clean fight, who at the time was relative to Gojo
@@somerandomdiamond7345 Toji didn’t dogwalk Gojo at all tf, tho Toji definitely outplayed Gojo he easily kept up with Toji and every clean hit on him was because of the spear of heaven or an off guard attack the second round proves how it was never close even if Gojo didn’t use HP 😭
@@NeoReoxisyou act as if gojo isnt the strongest being in existence wtf💀 toji beating him at all is a feat in itself, without even bleeding, id argue toji could still pose a threat even if gojo wasnt worn out and had to protect people.
@@imzehrebel7437 he literally wouldn’t since he clearly gets turned into the apple logo in the second round 💀
Ok, crazy theory time. We now know Maki doesn't get recognized by Domains; what if she also doesn't get recognized by Megumi's summoning ritual. This would allow her to help him defeat Mahoraga without sacrificing his ability to control it in the future. There's even the possibility Mahoraga wouldn't be able to adapt to her sword.
Toji or Maki coumd easily kill Mahoraga. They are as fast or faster than Mahoraga. As strong as mahoraga. And have tooks that can delete his durability. You can't adapt to something that isn't a technique. As he only adapts to techniques. Plus ISOH could help stop Mahoraga adapt to attacks from Megumi's support (as he would probably have to do atleast the last hit to claim Mahoraga.)
I STFG once these people read / watch the toji fight we really start to understand why the characters are sickasf and this series is different
EDIT: I mean obviously the domain expansion at the start of the series with mahito is an insanely cool moment by itself too but still the toji fight is peak battle manga writing.
I like Maki... but i don't think she's equal to Toji.
I think toji wins due to experience and his weapons, but my guy literally in chapter 198 it says she is equal to toji whether you like it or not.
That's call being stubborn or you didn't read 198 because after she beat naoya and trained with the sumo guy she became "...A demonic fighter equal to Toji Zen'in...
...Was fully realized."
@@samsonstrongarms thank you bro I don't know why people keep downplaying her, I also think she loses but she is equal to him.
It's literally stated multiple times in the manga she is equal to toji and I'm pretty sure gege has stated their physical stats are equal
@@goodgamingtv415Toji has a better arsenal, BIQ, experience, planning, etc please don’t just nitpick the parts of the manga you want to. They’re considered ‘the same’ because they’re both lethal Heavenly Restriction fighters with 0 cursed energy and incredibly powerful in combat, they’re not just the same person
I will say they do not simply use the air density and temperature. But state straight up "If you can sense everything else". This plus how they show abilities to track people out of something as simple as steps on concrete, great hearing and sight. I believe their every sense is superhumanly amped and extended making this superior to that and echolocation too to a great extent.
People are talking about their arsenals and such
And that has gotten me curious about what will happen if Yuuta and Maki teams up again, giving her access to Rika's arsenal, they'd be unstoppable
No one literally no one can replace The Great TOJi❤
Its simple who would win its whoever Gege would want to win same goes with any media in general
Im saying Toji wins just because hear me out Maki simps, Toji has more experience with his full heavenly restriction and he has more cursed tools including the Inverted spear of heaven and the chain of a thousand miles, i also believe he also has the playful cloud which was originally his in the inventory curse and they both have a soul split katana and plus Toji has a lot of Battle IQ and can make such devastating plans to kill people they don’t call him the Sorcerer Killer for no reason
I think Toji lost because of the plot. It's so stupid for an assassin to not confirm if its target is dead or not.
Toji is the Batman of jjk lmao with all his gadgets and weapons for everyone
You forgot Toji has a gun he can simply pull the move “parry this u filthy casual”
Cool video, but kind of expected. Can be summarized with "Toji has been doing this for way longer. Maki has been OP for a few weeks at best".
Imagine getting tossed in a room full of cursed demons
Bringing in that fire already! Happy new year!
Honestly the only way to compare the two is to compare their strongest opponents
Toji wins because he has more tools. They're confirmed equal in literally everything else though, and if you deny otherwise then you're saying toji doesn't get to scale against makis current feats which would mean she blitzes and oneshots him.
who else wants toji to come back into the series again accept this time he doesent die?
Another great video, loving the consistent uploads
people just don’t understand how op toji was like bro was literally superhuman 😔
is not immune to Domain Expantions, is immune do barrier Domains Expantions
I’d like the a concept where any Heavenly Restriction person will get stronger over time. Constantly growing in power the longer they live and train. Maki is a great example of that so far. A decade more and she’ll be better than even Toji. If this idea is ever realized. Otherwise, she’ll only ever be Toji’s equal.
Good video, although you spoke of 2 different versions of geto as the same which is simply incorrect
Yea man a lot of head canon and bias
Maybe a much older maki with experience can win but i dont see her being tojis strategic mind
Maki = Toji in strength
Toji : I just visited america
remember when Toji defeated Gojo and Suguru it was stated that he was not in his prime i would say that Toji if in his prime could easily dogwalk Maki
You make such good manga relayed content I need to see you cover other franchises!
i also would like to point out despite them being declared equals the fact that a males bone density and muscle mass is more and with ho well built toji is i think its a wrap
In the future Maki might surpassed Toji but for now Toji wins mid-high diff
Male are always powerful than female , basic knowledge
The thing is that Toji will win in every scenario because of the experience he has. Maki wouldn't have been created if Toji wasn't a part of the Zenin clan because of his H.R his blood was:passed down in the family enabling her to be created.
Ong this video is sooo tuff
The only small, tiny little thing you got wrong, was Gojo in his teen years already being faster than Naobito. Pre-awakened Gojo wasn’t as fast as awakened Gojo and it’s not even close in speed. Comparing how Toji blitzed him to him blitzing Toji. We saw how Naoya was able to keep up and hit Maki with attacks. Given at this point, both Naoya and Maki were lesser versions of Naobito and Toji, we can say that Naobito is faster the pre-awakened teen Gojo.
Idk curse naoya could move at the speed of sound with Maki keeping up with no effort.
@@fijiwill2237 That was less of Maki being as fast a Naoya and more of their hacks of being able to see the attacks in advance.
did you know toji blitz daragon who had the capacity to react to Naobito speed and defend him self front of him. Soo actualy (PRIME) revived Toji is theoretically faster than gojo. Cause Naobito was almost as fast as Gojo . Compared to maki who barely keep up with 15 finger sukuna.
@@ryugakishutsu8535 nowhere was it stated that Naobito was almost as fast as Gojo. All that was stated was he is known as the fastest Jujutsu sorcerer (excluding Satoru Gojo) because he gained this title before Gojo was born. Naobito was also blitzing Dagon before the domain, the only reason Dagon starts dodging is because Naobito lost an arm and that’s implied to slow him down a lot.
Team Toji bro.
feminists will cry but togi negs simple science
@@emmaevergarden maki and toji are equal in stats but toji wins due to his superior intellect and better arsenal
@@emmaevergarden ye I get u
Ok incel
Gojo got touched by Toji. When maki does that then we can say equal
They are equal factually but if I had to choose one, toji high-extreme diff. He seems to have higher battle IQ and smarter. I guess experience could be a factor but tbh that's not really a factor in jjk where we have teens fighting ancient sorcerers lol. But maybe in a fight with exactly equal stats, experience might play a role. Also the weapons diff. Yes they both have the same sword but toji has a whole cursed spirit with weapons and other cursed spirits at his disposal.
I think toji wins but still with pretty much high-extreme diff. If maki manages to achieve what toji has, they'd basically end up killing each other
I thought this is a common sense 💀
they are completely equal fighters as stated at the end of sakurajima colony. This means skill, stats, biq, etc. The only tool toji could and would use against maki is soulsplitter, the flyheads would do nothing due to maki's sensory abilities and speed and same with the gun. The fight is a 50/50
Flyheads can still be deployed as a distraction nonetheless. And can be used as a “screen” to hide behind.
Toji has WAY more overall experience, in terms of battle IQ Maki gets shit on.
Toji can adapt to any situation at the split of a second and has a more versatile repertoire of weapons.
More styles of fighting and defending.
@@shyysteebleedem what is a gun gonna do against someone who can catch bullets, what is the inverted spear of heaven gonna do to someone with no techniques and the fly head would still do nothing because of the pseudo precog that maki and toji have. Sure i’ll give you that Toji has more experience but maki has shown a lot more skill when it comes to up close combat and blades, the fighting style toji mainly uses during his fights is trying to distract the opponent with speed which would not work on maki. The fight is a 50/50 and you can deal with it.
No, that’s not the case at all. They’re the same because they’re both brutal fighters with 0 cursed energy but Heavenly Restriction granting them amazing strength. They’re not just literally the same person 😂 he has a much better arsenal and BIQ than her too
@@QuesoMan72I mean... there way more experience for Toji, larger arsenal, more Battle IQ, and more. Equal in terms of pure physical strength sure but there is a reason why experienced fighters can beat normal citizens who are stronger than them 99.9% of the time.
I think Toji would beat the shit out of Maki, Toji made the exact same cleaning of the curses in the training room age 9..
Aside Toji fought sorceress for a living, it’s different fighting to kill due to anger and doing it for funsies
One thing you forgot is maki has way more training and knowledge in martial arts. So she has the advantage in raw fighting capabilities.
Dude what? Are you saying Toji doesn’t? He is THE sorcerer killer, he is skilled with a massive arsenal of weapons and martial arts. My guy Maki does not take this.
finally someone gets it
Maybe she might be even to Toji stat-wise after he got rusty but in his prime no way. Buy Toji is so much more calculated, experienced, and intuitive, my man took advantage of flies the jjk high neglected as a smoke screen and made a plan to wear down Gojo. But I am so biased Toji is so cool.
I wonder if he could beat Yuta. Most things will not worm due to the 0 CE. I would say a high dif win for Toji.
Did a lot of your old videos get taken down
I think Toji has a slight strength advantage , but that's just me . Other than that, I do think be beats her dew to IQ and BIQ .
i think in character maki wins for one reason toji messes around when hes fighting women and put himself in situations to get hit and the soul liberation blade 1 shots people so i think 6 times out of 10 he lets himself get hit on underestimates her
He shot a teenage girl in the head with no hesitation he was not even in the scene when he pulled the trigger
@@NoGunPowder.thats the target but he didnt do the same for the curse only got serious when it cut his ear off plus toji is a bum that gets carried by maki statements and feats
One simple reason Toji takes it is because Toji got that grown man strength😂
I'd like too see maki vs toji, in anime
12:48 Toji literally tried it with awakened Gojo without any prep and against his own judgment.
Compared to the DAYS worth of prep to get the first W (the bounty, the flyheads, the use of terrain), he basically fucked around and found out in the 2nd round. And that was CLEARLY a stronger Gojo since he himself calles him awakened.
Maki is a tactician and combat tutor among the other students. Her intelligence and raw martial arts skills was downplayed this whole video.
They are both great and nearly equal. They both were shown to overwhelm an opponent and then be overwhelmed by the SAME opponent after they recieved a power up. Only difference is Maki beat hers eventually.
I think Toji's profession gives him the edge when he has prep time, and makes him less able to grow mid battle. But Maki seems to grow alot DURING fights.
Characters like Gojo and Sukuna also grow stronger by pushing limits i an a fight.
My money is on Maki.
Toji was stated to be able to defeat awakened Gojo if Gojo didn't have Hollow Purple and just saying that makes you imagine how insanly strong that guy is. Also you can't really make the arguement that Maki can grow more and defeated her opponent when Toji was fighting THE Gojo. Maki vs Toji, Toji wins med or high diff if no prep time because more experience, arsenal, ans Battle IQ.
@tbicedshot2819 I'm of the opinion that Toji could beat him with hollow purple had he known about and prepped before hand.
Can u do how strong is Yuji the mc of the anime I always wondered where he would scale once he reaches his max potential cause supposedly and I could be wrong he has the potential to be special grade?
According to Gojo, Yuji will eventually make Sukuna's rituals his own, which would mean being one of the top tier sorcerers, considering that Gojo himself said that innate talent and inherited rituals make most of a sorcerer's overall strength.
I just don't see her ever coming close to Toji. It's like comparing Yuta to Gojo. They are both special grade, but there is a very obvious skill gap.
Being 1 of the strongest said by animebreakdown he was saying to gojo but gojo is the strongest in jjk so saying 1 of the strongest is a bit of a underestimating to gojo because he is the strongest yes I'm a gojo fan boy
The only way I'll admit Maki is stronger than Toji if she got the feat of "killing" Gojo. That's it. Gege really kill her off in the future. The reason she still alive is because of plot armour.
These comments thinkin' that Maki would would steamroll Toji is worthy of being ridiculed.
Toji would win due to experience - weapons and ofc his strategy his is a master strategist but Maki is still 17 she will surpass him eventually
And Toji let’s no forget was able to beat 2 special grade curses with no problem
Toji with ISOH could cancel out hollow purple cause of logic. Meaning Toji could of killed Gojo again if he didn't use the chain and just went full on with the ISOH. Toji shouldn't of lost. Toji should be able to even beat Gojo from Shibuya ark if he had info on his domain and hollow.
This is cope he barely touched unawakened gojo.
@@TCSceptrengl that end bit about shibuya arc Gojo is absolutely crazy but the first bit isn’t. Toji was surprised by hollow purple and underestimated Gojo
Keep in mind Maki is fucking 16 as of the latest chapter (chapter 235 as this comment is being written and published) LMFAO, Toji is around 30 years old during Hidden Inventory, of course he'd be wayy more experienced, which is the only thing he has over Maki to me "i don't take weapons into consideration, because Toji lost his whole armory to Gojo and Geto, the ISOH "which would be ineffective against Maki regardless" and the chain of a thousand miles got both destroyed by Gojo, and Maki currently has the whole Zenin weaponry at her disposal as of Megumi becoming the head of the clan and Maki getting rid of everyone in it, even though as of currently she has only been shown using Playful Cloud, Dragonbone and the Soul Liberation Blade". Maki will eventually catch up to Toji in the experience department, that is just bound to happen at some point, which is why i also believe Maki has overall an higher potential and overall growth curve seeing how at her age she is already regarded as a fighter *equal* to Toji Fushiguro. However, i do agree that if current Maki were to fight against prime Toji, she'd probably lose due to a lack of experience, but it'd be an extreme diff fight for both sides nonetheless. She's pretty cunning and smart for her age aswell, during the Goodwill arc she immediately understood and counteracted Miwa's simple domain just by looking at it "she wasn't even awakened back then", and as she was fighting Naoya for the first time, she understood how projection sorcery works and countered it with no external input "she knew projection Sorcery was a thing, but she didn't know how it works".
Why did Maki sit still when fighting Dagon? Toji did all the work, end of story. Toji absolutely stomps low diff, and he stole her weapon. How many brain cells do you have?
Also, please look at their physiques. Men are stronger than women.
@@thefives7ar Maki wasn't awakened against Dagon 💀, if she was, she would've gave him the Toji treatment, that's obvious. I have no business arguing with you, your comment pretty much tells me that you've read the series with your eyes closed.
I disagree Toji was able to outsmart GOJO. High iQ is a big advantage in. A figgr.
honestly i believe they are the same in physicla stats but maki has battle iq while toji has iq overall maki is definetly badass but toji had that him factor even in death the guy looked cold as sh
Nah. He has better battle IQ and Skill overall.
A VAST more versatile arsenal of weapons.
Chains of thousand miles is strong as fuck lol.
And he has the SAME sword as her. Soul Splitter.
Damn always wanted to know this myself 🤔
Hay dude
Don't ignore my request please 😑
Please make a video on Hakari ......(and Todo as well if possible)
Tojis mind and battle iq I feel is just better
I am curious what other weapons Maki will get and what grade/powers they will have?
Experience, arsenal, strategic capability just being far better so toji wins
Toji did not beat the same geto from the movie…
Blatantly ignoring the fact that geto and gojo got significantly stronger he went from using a handful of curses to a literal army of curses and fighting two special grades at the same time
Yeah but toji was also rusty. No one knows how much stronger he was in his prime but yeah u make a good point. Ain’t no way toji is beating current gojo but I think he can give geto a run for his money
@@ragdull2066 yah geto is the weakest special grade so that’s fair
Geto seems almost too weak to be a special grade
Zero really did him dirty
@@jacobgallegos8762 The movie didn't do him dirty. Yuta is just that strong. Also Rika is the queen of curses. Sukuna is the king of curses. He was going up against one of the strongest curses of all time and the second strongest sorcerer in the series.
@@friedhotwings yes zero majority fucked up it makes no sense for geto to not have rct or a domain
Plus him thinking he could beat gojo with rika is delusional as hell
@@jacobgallegos8762 when did Geto think that he could beat Gojo? Sounds like you’re making stuff up.
The main difference now is experience and arsenals and Toji wins in both categories. You could also argue that Toji is smarter but I think Maki makes up for that by being more ruthless.
Toji is stronger too
Man, the toji wank is absurd. While I do agree he beats Maki as she is now. I honestly don't understand how you highballed this guy by using feats of him defeating extremely fatigued and out of prime teenage not even special grade Satoru and Getou. Satoru yes, but Getou no. Satoru was not even an honored one yet and Toji was terrified of him, having to set up bounties and surprise attacks just to off him and Getou wasn't even a special grade at that time, he was still grade 1 and wasn't considered a special grade until his 3rd year, 2 years after the event occurred. The feats sounds phenomenal off first listen but are actually quite weak considering if Kenjaku had an appropriate form then (whatever body he had was obviously not good enough at the time) he could have implemented the exact same strategy Toji used on Gojo. His knowledge of assassination is what allowed the W not some 1v1 scenario. It's not impressive.
I agree these feats proven in the vidoe are over exaggerated.
Toji is stronger let’s forget that weight classes body mass and testosterone are in the jjk verse even though besides mostly in JP the rest of the world is relatively normal let’s say they both get the same buff from the heavenly restriction meaning that if they did (hypothetically) lose their powers then who do your thinck is stronger a middle aged jacked 6 foot man or a 16 year old girl and the answer to that will tell you who is stronger when they both get the same increase in strength
They are on the same level but i just dont see maki ever beating toji it will be a good fight but toji just wins
Toji didn't kill Gojo only because the story wouldn't work. He had to be IQ nerfed to die later on.
Gege couldn’t written it any other way to have Gojo survive. I don’t think stabbing Gojo in the head when he on record doesn’t know RCT is low IQ but hey
Toji said he was rusty when fighting Gojo, and it’s shown when he doesn’t use the spear to stab Gojo in the head. If it was Toji ZENIN he would’ve murdered Gojo.
I think Toji wins but high diff. Toji was already in his prime when he fought Gojo and Geto who both were still young (but powerful) Maki is just now hitting her prime and I feel like have had harder fights not being able to have prep time before most of her matches
Toji was rusty when fighting Gojo and Geto
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I hate that Toji is dead
My vote goes for maki just because she's more upfront and brutal with her attacks while toji was more of an assasin who seemingly didn't favor having lengthy battles
Also it's highly unlikely that toji has already fought someone with the same stats as him while maki has prior knowledge about toji.
Hey that's just my opinion cause we'll never know
Who cares she’s gonna be shitting on Toji by the end of the series.
Answer: women☕☕
Maki did not heal completely in that fight and both are not faster than curse noaya
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Toji negs maki , even she gets experience because he's toji
Toji and Maki are broken 😂
Toji wins without a doubt