True, but that would require Valve to create a larger criteria for what games they’ll allow on their platform and it’d backfire as Steam is now. Though I’d say “a game you intent to finish” would be a good start.
I'm starting to see a pattern. Whenever I see a cool looking game on Steam i'm like "wow, cool concept devs, I'll buy it later when it feels more finished". Then, when i've forgotten about it I see youtubers claiming the game is dead, then I go to its steam page and the reviews are mostly negative. I guess i'm saving money atleast?
I have experienced the same. checking on them once in a while through my wishlist, often forgetting I put the game there. But yea, it can save you money!
I copped the game for free just before it WAS taken off steam. I actually enjoyed the game quite a bit aside from the occasional bug that I personally experienced. But any serious issues were fixed with a simple restart. I wish the game had been able to continue development as this is such a good idea and I really enjoyed it. Thankfully the Hellion Rescue Project is planning to fix a lot of the issues and even update the game themselves.
So they’re selling abandonware. (By their own admission) while stealing money to fund their own stuff, while claiming to have run out of money. This developer should be black listed.
That’s if they’re producing another game, which from what I’ve seen is just a rumour. However they should still be viewed with suspicion if they aren’t making another game with their funds, and if they make another game then I wouldn’t touch it.
at least they are honest. they have no place in dirty dev series. They could have put it in maintenance mode and claim they are still working on it. But no, they were honest. It will be funny (or not) if CIG have the courage of one day, say X is unfixable due to spaggetticode. But it probably will never be release officially so that the real cash shop stays up with ship for hundreds or thousand of dollars while keeping the "it's still a beta" excuse forever.
@@LukasRustemeyer when was the last time you heard of a movie being released with sound missing and only some of the CGI completed? When was the last time you heard of a toy manufacture only releasing a toy half built and selling it. When was the last time you heard of a manufacture to release only part of a project and sell it on the market. This is an unfinished product and it is being sold. No company releases an unfinished product.
honestly... they should have lowered the game to roughly $3.00 released mod tools updated the steam page to say what happened and idk make development a hobby to get rid of the bugs
@No Name Uh yea they have, SC 3.8 is very much a game at this point and has been for quiet a while I am sorry but these old jokes just go to show that you know nothing of Star Citizen lol
@No Name Ahahahahahahahaha man these jokes are so old it hurts... Honestly in 2019 these jokes just make you look really dumb especially since many games like Hellion can't get off the ground but please keep going we will keep laughing.
VR BRO bro SC is a buggy, shitty mess. Stop acting like it’s something it isn’t. You can’t even run a mission without running into some crazy bugs, most of them mission breaking.
This is why I no longer want to support early access games. Even though games like ARK, Rust, Miscreated, PUBG removed the "Early Access" tag to their games they still run and are updating like early access games.
I agree. In theory early access can work, it did for Slime Rancher and it seems to have worked for Hades, but developers use early access as an excuse to release barely functioning games and leave them to stagnate. It’s annoying because it’s not the idea that was bad, just the execution.
Oh look. A small dev studio trying to make a huge game and failing because it was far much more than they could ever succeed in creating? Who could have foreseen that! :O I was actually looking forward to Hellion. My hopes for it releasing were, however, very low.
Star Citizen studio(CIG?) when they launched with kickstarter was absolutely tiny :) After couple years of funding they achieved size of aaa. In case of ZH it just didn't go that well ;)
@@Lesminster yes but when are they ever going to actually release a real game? How many years have they been in development? A lot of people still have quite a few big bugs when they try and play
@@Skyhunter826 When you take a look on how much time it takes for regular fully developed AAA studio to produce their flag-type game you will notice Star Citizen development doesnt really take that much time, especially considering the scope of it ;) GTA V took like 10 years or so and rockstar was already big back when they started. Other thing is regular games are not revealed till some state of development or until finished, and what is even more important you won't hear of any bugs and problems of a development process of a game that is not on early access so you may get the impression that Star Citizen is somehow worse or "full of bugs", it is but it is early access game and every game in it's state would be stuffed with issues, but you just won't hear about them from a studio that is not obligated to tell you ;) Worth mentioning is that optimization usually takes place after certain crucial game modules are finished.
Lesminster you forgot to mention another thing, SC will be pushing the limits of what’s possible in modern gaming, that, coupled with the fact that they are an indie studio developing their first game makes the amount of development time spent seem reasonable.
Is it still cool to trash on FO76? I played it with friends and got my money's worth. It really is nowhere near as bad as people make it to be. People like you seem to hop on the bandwagon to trash that game, but I'd wager you've never even played it.
You literally can't Glad you still managed to get some fun out of it, but the game is not being trashed for not being ‘fun’. The game is being trashed for being a ‘flagship status’ product which was released way too early and the developers were aware of this, since they have not fixed the issues or content they promised since the start, and since they turned to even more buyable content updates (even outside of cosmetic updates) I’m wondering if I’ll ever spend my hard earned money on a bethesda game again. I used to love the studio, but Fallout 76 is nothing more than an unfinished cash cow sadly
Whenever this happens i find my finest wine, light my caramel mocha scented candles, find my fart robe with silk from eastern lands, and sit in my recliner and scoff.
Whencyou fart in a robe it allows your farts to travel upward towards the collar area allowing you to smell your concentrated fart. Its the highest quality sniff of fart you can get without it being polluted by fresh air or losing its potency by free dispersion.
The issue here is that if hellion should be removed from steam, then you need to go have a look at After Reset, a tech demo that has been on steam for a very long time with a 30 quid price tag, with no obvious development going on (barring a developer decision to drop the price to 14.99 for the sale). At the very least, hellion is a game that you can play and enjoy to a certain degree.
I've paid full price for the game just when it was released. I like the fact that they use orbital physics, I liked how difficult it was to pilot and doc ships I wanted to support the development of this game. I knew there is a chance the game my fail completely. Last time I played the game was about 3 years ago. It was fun :) It sucks that they fail and I wish more game devs try to make games with real orbital physics.
That was cool to see my gameplay featuring this video. My experience with the Hellion was rather positive, especially when the devs added single player mode `cause multiplayer was literally unplayable with all the bugs it used to have. But i agree with BigfryTV`s message that the front page of the game in Steam has to be changed as it is misleading people who just surfing the Steam store and know nothing about the case. By "misleading" i mean that nearly 60% of the game features listed are still marked as "in development". That`s a shame.
I love the community you've built with both fans, and content creators Fry. Seriously, all of you bounce off of each other, you make topics like these seen and shared to so many people by working together, sharing information, and shouting each other out. All this probably goes without saying, but you guys are bringing people together, and keeping them informed. Brilliant work to everyone involved. Here for 10k, here for 100k, and I'll sure as hell be here for a mil. up up up baby!
The 'former programmer' said that it needed to be rebuilt. My guess is that when the developer told the investor that they needed to go back to step 1 the investor decided there was not enough interest in the game to warrant further investment
The game is being removed from steam tight now. Its free to keep until 30.3.2020 and then the game wont be purchasable. Pretty sad :( it had potential but devs f***ed it up
I agree, it might not have been intentional and they had a serious lack of skills to tackle the issues the fact is, as you said, way to early in early access and the way they decided to react to the situation. The proper way would have been to do what the documentation recommends under "What happens if I don't complete my game?" and contact STEAM. If they don't make profit anyway, they could just pull the game and close the servers with a 6 month notice to fans or similar. Developers never seem to read the documentation STEAM gives them and if they do they just ignore the guidelines and think they know better. I think content creators have read it more than devs.
Why would you screw the people who backed you even MORE by shutting down the servers? These Guy's are keeping the servers OPEN so people can play and they turned the game over to the Mods, they did a lot better then they could have.
Pocketing the remaining money, is no pure business model, this is called exit scam. Btw, what is the point of putting the rest of the money into new projects? Who would be wanting to buy into any new projects from such devs?
This is why Steam needs a developer and publisher review system, so people can see how good those folks are or if they’ve got a reputation for crappy behaviour.
@darkironphoenix That’s true and should be taken into account, but they still have a webpage for the game up and the Steam page is still advertising features they aren’t adding. I’d say that’s at least a bit suspect.
@@annabella1650 They should update the description sure, but as for the webpage, the game is still for sale, so i don't really see why they can't have a webpage for it, as long as it reflects the state of the game.
Fair arguments. I bought Hellion, I'm actually still playing it. I think it sucks they can't complete it. Do I feel I lost my money? I put 43 enjoyable hours into the game. Bought it for 22 euros. A simplistic method I use is that I rate how satisfied about a game by dividing the money by the amount of hours played if that number is above 1 then I'm not happy about my purchase. that's 0.511 for Hellion. (Kerbal space program was really good at 0.05 probably even lower because I've spent ages playing it before it even got to steam early access) Subnautica was somewhere in between. Those games made it in part because of early access. So in short... No... I didn't waste my money.. I'd still spend the money knowing what I know now. It's early access. You know you're playing an incomplete game, a game that you risk will never be completed. The upside is that you're investing in the dreams of game-devs. I was part of the hellion experience. I enjoyed the game, and still do. And the few euros won't break my bank. You win some you lose some. They should however clearly indicate the status of the game as no longer under production on the store page. Not doing so is unethical. I understand the issues they probably have with lost revenue for a company that is small and struggling. But that's no excuse to mislead your customers. I have recommended against buying the game on steam for this reason.
@@Ratty_Mask There are no Million dollar ships in SC , Go check out Entropia Universe its been out several years now and they sell land and planets For Thousands of Real Dollars and in fact Hold the Title of Most expensive virtual assets ever sold. A planet was sold for over $30, 000 Dollars just like 2 years ago.
The Long Dark is one of the (very) few good Early Access stories. Especially considering most Early Access Survival games are a dime a dozen shit-shows. Yall should check it out if ya havnt. Just wanted to shout out my fave game ^^
@BigfryTV Hey man, have you heard of Guardians of Orion? It's currently in phase 1, it costs only a dollar on Steam, and the Devs said that Phase 2 will bring in a lot more content hopefully. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
I bought this game because of bluedrake 42 lol last early access game I ever bought it was good but sad it didn't take off now Star Citizen is the only one left that is actually doing something good with 3.8 and here's hoping all the money they made will turn out a good game after Dayz and this game Early Access is a reminder how we can only support so much as it's up to the developers to show promise gameplay and future updates
I'm 100% sure this is a result of Star Citizen. The devs are fully aware of the shadow that Star Citizen is casting on all new space games, they know they have less capital, less users and ultimately a dramatically smaller market share. They're scared and they know they won't be able to match SC, hence moving onto other projects. Change my mind
Hellion developers are a bunch of guys from Belgrade, Serbia, who were essentially given a ton of money to make this game. Serbs being Serbs, they ended up squandering most of it on overpriced computers and an overpriced workspace equipped with things like massage chairs, gym, beds, etc., George Romero-style. The management essentially heavily mismanaged the funds the company had, which is why the company went down the drain and the project was released like this.
Not to sound like a dick, but who the hell actually thought this was going to work out? These shitty indie games pop up in early access to steal your money a thousand times a year, and yet everyone acts all shocked when the game is trash. How many times do they need to fool you before you learn? It's like buying bootleg DVDs from a street corner, just to be bewildered and appalled when it turns out you didn't actually get a copy of The Godfather 7. Do people put any research into things before they start throwing money away? Everyone complains about the abundance of early access scams, but the real issue is that you keep falling for it. Wow, who would have guessed the wildly overambitious indie company with no accountability wouldn't deliver on their promise...
The interesting thing is that they used Early Access as a way to keep their mismanaged project above water, pushing their problems onto their consumers and delaying the inevitable instead of fixing the fundamental issues with their broken product before public release. Early Access is not an excuse to put a price tag on a broken product.
@@kamencic well... SC make you buy multi thousand dollar ship and the average "real user" (so disregarding thoses who bought alt account) spending is well over 200$ per backer ... and nearly 300m in funding... Not even ONE single ship was gifted to backer as thanks. EVERYTHING you can make money of, you sell. but they have no choice if you look at their disclosed financial repport of 2017.(cost of dev/year and money in reserve) Objectively speaking SC is far worst, should they stop development (concidering they DO NOT have 200m in reserve but are living year to year) the implosion of the bubble will eb so large you could create another universe. I think it's unfair to say this when SC is getting tons of funds and will continue as long as the game stays in developpment. (because once release they won't be abble to sell ships anymore)
@@ereder1476 Why look 2017 report. They released 2019 report. During this year they've spent 14 milions more than they obtained. But they both earned the most and spent the most during the passing year. They have several solutuons to success. One of the most probably ones is to just have one similar year and half maybe and then release Squadron42 in 2021. After that they'll have both increased income and decreased costs. edit: in short words they are in place they wanted to be.
@@kamencic link it to me then, i have not seen it. but the problem still stand: they cost/year is so much that should they cut their funding or suffer multiple bad years, they won't be able to continue the development for no more than 2-3 years. Meanwhile in 2016 (so after CR decided to increase the scope of the game) CR said that they had enouth money, so much so that should the funding stop completly, they would have enouth to finish SC for release . that was back when they had 140m IIRC. 2017 report shown that that was a lie. Why lying? i am glad they raised more than they spent. but that's thanks to anniversarry sells etc . this is a short term view.
@@ereder1476 I maybe wasn't clear. They didn't raise more than they spent. They spent 7 milions more. In previous post I said 14 but I was mistaken. I didn't see report but watched a video from SC content creator who has explained it. I could find you link to that video if you are interested really.
"Hey, we started making the game, and althought we haven't finished it officially, people weren't paying and playing so we decided to stop making the game"
I have the opposite issue. Saw it during the development, went "cool, I'll pop back here in a year's time to see you guys still have the same vision / haven't sold out / when the game is more complete and is less 'early access' and whatnot" - turns it out it got abandoned, pity but fair enough. Now when the devs left it as free to play due to abandoning the project, I can't find it anywhere to try and see where they got up to since it's not available on Steam and can't be downloaded anywhere else...
the only way someone that doesnt have it on their library is to family share, have it downloaded on a computer then request the access from the steam owner, but the owner cant be on at the same time.
Agreed there enough "Game" for someone to play for dozens of hours just Put a Tag on it "Unfinished Abandoned by Devs" and let people try it if they think it's interesting.l The devs handed over the game to the Mods and left the servers running so anyone can play they could have said OH well shut it down and shut down the servers they didn't.
Bro have you done much other than playing video games, recording them and spouting opinions? You sound genuinely upset over this. People fucked up. You're rubbing their nose in it and offering advice. Have you built and launched a game before yourself or are you talking shit on the internet? Opinions are like arseholes man, everyone's got one. Advice is best reserved for those who know what they're talking about.
12:35 I don't know if you've ever been coding is a huge code base, but you get some shit I can tell you. When you have to rebuild the fundation, the whole goes to trash too.
It never should have been a MP title. It should have strictly been a SP title which would have allowed them concentrate on the AI and other stuff. They did release a SP mode, but I wasn't interested in buying the game after hearing the complaints.
11:30 Early access is used as a way to help fund the development of games. That is the only point... How do you know they got money ONLY from the early access? They talked about their investors that lost money... who are they talking about? FFS, your video raise more questions than answers!
The biggest shame about Hellion is that not all the devs were pieces of shit. It only takes a few bad eggs though... The experience of Hellion is probably worth 10. You will sink a lot of hours into it if you choose to play it (provided you're not eaten by a shelf) but they absolutely should release mod tools and include the half finished stuff in the game's code so that the players can do more with it. Even if the bugs will never fully be fixed the game itself is one hell of a foundation for great things. It also occurs to me that Hellion is more engaging in its current bare bones state than Fallout 76 ever was. So take that for what you will.
Valve should just remove the early access function completely it's totally broken and 99% of early access games are scams or doomed from the beginning.
Early access is so hard to judge. This is one of a number of games that just failed and fell far short of what was promised. At the same time, look at The Isle, a game that looked so bad at first, that was buggy beyond belief. Now it is a wonderful game, with a great dev team. Its even getting a full recode to fix the issues they cant with their current system. Early access is like kickstarter. Some projects are amazing, and some never even reach backers.
@@SaidMetiche-qy9hb Just because a game is small in scope doesn't mean it has to be bland copy of something else. I've played many small scoped games that are very unique and enjoyable. I feel like many first time game developers bite off more than they can chew. You should always strive to scope your projects according to your resources (time, money, skill), regardless of what you do. Are you a single carpenter with only one summer to spare, maybe you shouldn't build that majestic castle with 40 rooms and sprawling catacombs. Maybe build a small cottage or something like that. Or if you are a small group of game developers, maybe build a smallish single-player game in 2D. Most gamers would prefer a small and short, but completed game that sells for a few dollars, than the promise of a huge game that's unfinished and continues to be a money sink.
Yeah, every game that either doesn't release or releases in a garbage state makes me happier that I continue to put money into Star Citizen. They have the team and funding to actually deliver.
I agree. Star Citizen succeeds because they have been smart. They are not on Steam, they are their own publisher, have their own website and their own game launcher. Thanks to former CryTek employees who joined CIG, they were able to completely re-wrote their engine in 64 bit to fit their scope and ambition instead of using limited 32 bit Unreal or Unity engines. They receive massive support because they're building something for which there is a huge demand in the gaming market right now. They constantly show to their fans what they are working on. They also built 5 studios with most of their staff located in Europe where it is much more cost effective compared to having everything in the U.S. They love PC gamers and are building their game with PC hardware capabilities in mind. The game utilize as many CPU cores/threads as available, multi-GPUs, SSD bandwidth that help with the zero loading screen experience, and will soon be ported to Vulkan. They have also been smart by using the Amazon eco-system. They use both their custom 64bit variant of the Amazon Lumberyard engine and Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud servers.
Attention all STAR CITIZEN LOVERS, let this be a lesson as this is going to happen to Star Citizen!!! Chris thanks you for all the money you gave him to have a cushy life!!!
Aaand it is here, they offer it for free until 30.3., then there will be no way to obtain it. And then they will only keep servers up in maintenance mode.
I think you were about 10-15% too harsh. Namely on them being the shining example of Early Access problems. Tbh, the mere fact that they actually tried for years puts them above many others imo. If we're taking them at their word, anyway.
i had the game back in alpha and i looooooove it TBH it was my fav game of all the space games even today if there was a way to buy it i would my old steam got hacked and i cant get it back so i lost alot and this game has been the 1 game i cant replace ...... granted they never really got to a good solid point but with love i thought this game would have beat them all im a big elite dangerous person been trying to get into Star Citizen but its pure dog shit almost all the space games just lack over all but if you put the feet stuff from Star Citizen or at least the graphics over Elite Dangerous youd have the game
so me and my friend have been working for about a year and a half on a massive mod for the game . basicly expanding the game even further with everything they said ' work in progress) being done aswell . i been tyring to contact the developers about the mod because we're not tryna get sued when we release this to the public
Hey BigFry, can you show off the new animations for World War 3? Alot of people are hyped at the animations they will be adding soon in the next update. You can find it on steam news.
I remember watching someone stream this on twitch a few years ago, and almost getting sick from watching it. I was one of the people that begged you to cover it.
It's a tale as old as time. they saw what someone else was doing and didn't pay attention to the slow crawl that those someone else's were doing and thought they could limp (ie: rush) their way through development without realizing or wanting to realize what *NEEDS* to go into making a game like this. And I agree, this mess should be taken off of Steam ASAP. If you're not prepared for the long haul don't start a cross-country trip. Yeah, the devs carry most of the blame here but you know who else I blame? Fickle, Impatient ass gamers. They are to blame as well. ADHD-gamers are a blight on the video-game industry. They really are. Because on one hand, they are constantly bitching and whining for a game to release. "... _When is it coming out_ ...", "... _Is it ever coming out_ ...", "... _What's taking so long_...". And those *SAME* arm-chair developers are the very ones who cry foul when a game releases early (pretty much what Steam Early-Access has become) with a myriad of issues. People who have not one clue of what goes into *ACTUAL* game development want a completely "finished" game but have the unmitigated gall to want it in 6 months to 1 year. WtF?
IMO, anyone willing to pour money into a Steam Early Access title after DayZ, is a moron, and deserves to lose the money they handed over. I used to be more forgiving, but after the 'Z hype' era (where countless zombie/survival titles popped up in early access and crowdfunding), I made a conscious decision to never buy early access again. Most early access titles end up being a failure, or a scam. If you see something pop up in Steam, first, check to see if it has the Early Access tag, if it doesn't, check the reviews. If it does, click the ignore button, and keep it out of your sight until it pops up in the media or is advertised as being complete and out of early access, then review again. Early access is a crock. You get what you pay for. £15-20 for an unfinished, hardly started concept? Don't expect it to get any better if you hand over the cash. It's Briffault's Law, but for games.
Thank you for doing this video Big, i bought 2 licenses of this game to support the development, i got a lot of drama from some moderators for giving them feedback, i got banned from their discord server for saying "murica" in the context that i was joking around with a friend in their server, and a moderator said it was racism, and just banned me without giving me any second to talk about it. I was part of the so called "Test Squad", i invested myself into this game, tried to help out, and then, they decided to end the community "test squad" internalizing the test team, basically silencing the feedback from the community, they are shady. I agree that the game should not be set as "complete" it is a total lie and bullshit. They deserve the bad rep they are getting and i think it is not enough. In the steam discussion board there's a lot of people defending them saying we should CHILL because we got what we paid for, and we should not say the are scum. Hey i am super ok with people wanting to hand down money to these guys, but i have the right to complain, since i paid for the game. No one has the right to silence backlash, if you think it's all good for you, nice, go live your life, let the ones that do not agree with you, lash out. I clicked the report button on the steam page for this game saying that the game was not completed and should not be for sale. But of course it was ignored. :-\
This is absolutely idiotic - Hellion is an amazing game, and they're not lying by saying it's unfinished. I played, and loved, Subnautica when it was in an earlier stage of dev. Also, all your footage is from a previous patch, so that's odd. What's truly odd is there are videos posted from multiple months ago showing the most modern patch, yet you chose outdated older versions to show in your footage. It's almost like... you didn't do your research?
Good job highlighting Steam's early access regulations. Too many games are allowed to be launched in early access with the early access sales being the primary source of development funding. The only way Hellion, as abandonware, should be allowed to stay on Steam is if it's free and labeled as a demo that won't be completed. I think Steam and other storefronts that allow early access sales need to self regulate before actual legislation happens that screws over the very few developers who have an actual development plan and use early access to both show off the game and use player feedback to help guide development and fix issues. I read a lot of reviews on Steam early access games where the reviewer says something like, "the game has x, y, z problems and is missing content, but it's still early access, so I'm sure it will be sorted out by launch." There's guarantee that an early access game will be completed or that issues x y z will be fixed, but there's a player leaving a positive review. Steam should cap early access game price to something like $5 and / or be liable for refunds if an early access game is not not completed. The 1st would benefit gullible players, the 2nd would force Steam to vet developers who want to use early access. Realistically though, the entire games industry is early access. Bethesda and Ubisoft are notorious for selling "complete" games a year before they're actually bug fixed and feature complete. Most major publishers use "dlc" instead of "early access", but that's even more nefarious because they are charging full price for an incomplete, early access quality game, then charging more for the "dlc" that brings the game up to actual release quality.
Well, to play Devil’s advocate, that’s only a rumour at this point and they have denied it by saying that they don’t have the money to keep their studio together. Granted that could be a lie, or maybe just one of the guys took the money and ran, but I wouldn’t buy any new games they release.
I wouldn't say you've been to harsh. There's so many games I have wanted to buy early on, but won't until it's further along. I got Tarkov, but in its current state, it's at least pretty good. It more or less feels like a finished game. I have Session and Skater XL, and both of those need some more work. But they're still pretty playable. If any of those games were more or less abandoned, I would be a little upset, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. But if a game is just more or less broken, and I'm just left with that, then I'm going to be pissed. And it's why I rarely ever get an early access game. Or it's why I never really even pre-order games. I'll wait to see what kind of state a game can be brought out in before giving them my money.
Yep. And now the dev is posting ON XMAS DAY trying to retaliate and justify how they fucked us all over. I want a refund. I just bought the game then a month later they say whoops we can’t make the game. Have fun !
I think people should take note of the devs that was involved with this project. Cause with their behavior, I would expect them to change the name of their "studio" before launching their other project as we seen with so many failed "games" before. The fact that they already have another project means they have known this for a long time, and planned for it. Watch out for them in 2020 and don't give them your money again.
you should do a review of star citizen , but at least play some of the missions enough to know, how deep the gameplay goes. i own star citizen but don't play it much but. It would be nice to get a nice deep drive into star citizen from " your point of view big fry".
Can shitty redundant youtube videos also be removed that are just jumping on bandwagons for any given gaming topics that offer nothing new and basically just say the exact same thing as whatever other video they decided to rip off? I think steam removing shitty games and youtube removing spam shitpost videos would be great.
Game development is an incredibly hard and risky process, maybe some wannabe developers are still under an illusion. Looks like there are many similarities between developing games and setting up a startup, yes you have to start small and see whether you can have result and build from that, gradually overtime (from one game to the next). Being ambitious too early and incapability to correctly assess your resources and setting appropriate target will only kill you.
It's a shame really. I think this game had great potential. A lot of good ideas and mechanics already in the game. But, it was probably a mistake to try to make something with so much scope on Unity to begin with. Of course, one of my all time favorite games, was Subnautica, and the devs had a huge amount of work to get the game playable in Unity, but in the end they made something that I still love to this day.
"not up to the same quality of star citizen....it just looked like a big bag of shit"....pffffft, as if Star Citizen isn't a massive truckload of shit also.
That is fraud. you can't take money to make something...not make it and keep the money. If the money ran out, well, that's the risk of backing a game in early access. But if there is money being funnelled out, nah, that's fraud.
why dont the re label hellion as a ghost / exploration game there is stil that Fiona and her ship the player can be part of the resque team . find out what happend find and fix the ship and then jump back to earth (with survivors if there are any) sorry for my bad spelling
I bought this "product" almost a year ago, but did not install it even once, because i wanted to wait for more of the listed features to be in, when starting. I will ask Steam for a refund (not that i expect to get anything, but i still want to step on their nerves).
8:30 Before saying that they took the money and ran with it, can we get... I don't know... the estimated ammount of money left?This is the one point that would make me agree with you. With what was left in their pockets, would they have made it?
They were quite upfront about it.. so many games now this is an issue. Shouldn't hate on people for the first time this happens. Again, it sounds like they are very up front.
Lowering price on the basis of a product not being finished its awful imo, would you buy a burger without the beef? Is this not a violation of consumer law?
its just wrong. your right. ppl payed for early access with the understanding and agreement that the money is to pay for a finished product period. This is Fraud.
Tbh this is a problem that started with the massing of indie companies as a whole yes I know there are a few great indie games out there but for 1 great one you get 100 shitty ones this has lead to a over saturation of the market which has lead to this sort of behavioral nonsense by devs and it also basically lead to the death of creativity to a certain extent in this field
I'm sorry but this video sucks. You literally said at the beginning "yeh so I don't know almost anything about this game but I'm going to hate it with my assumptions" I have played Hellion and I loved it. It was a great game, only in it's kind and it was something I was looking for. Basically Rust or ARK but in space and realistic. Was it released too early? Hell yes. The game had huge requirements to run smoothly and was full of glitches that made it unplayable. But still it had great potential. Does it remind You of something? *Star Citizen* Problem is, the game was little too ambitious for developers. They just couldn't handle it and they can't afford to sit and work on the game, they need money for living as well, they are humans like us. Another thing, "impossible to fix", they made VERY bad choice for game like that, Unity engine. They were fighting issues with performance and crashes that were caused by unity itself, that took their time so they couldn't fix the bugs in game and of course bringing any new content was impossible and pointless at this point. However they were fighting for so long with low community and few people playing. They increased performance greatly, added some basic content and fixed a lot of bugs. Game is playable, I would even say it's even in better technical condition that Star Citizen. But... the money ran out, they pushed how much they can fix and optimize with Unity to the limit so they had no choice but to abandon as they would have to scrap entire project and start from the beginning in different engine or their own. The only real difference between this and Star Citizen for example, is that they just sold the game for base price and tried to work with it when SC sucked a lot of money from Kickstarter and now for buying ships for few hundred USD. But of course here comes Bigfry and people like You to just spread hate and spam negative reviews without any knowledge of the situation. Also, of course, let's accuse them of stealing money and running. Orrrrrr maybe let's do the math instead of repeating lies? Steamdb predicts 50k to 100k copies sold so let's assume 75k Price was 20 usd right? But in USA. A lot of countries have lower prices, there were a lot of discounts so let's assume 15 USD per sale (but Imo its still too much) EA released in February 2017 and end of development was in October 2019 - that's 32 months I think 75 000 * 15 = 1 125 000 USD
SidAlpha's Video: th-cam.com/video/1KOkPEg5GUg/w-d-xo.html
I tried playing Hellion but it was biggy and kinda boring.
Clear & Present Prepping thats why it should be removed
@@ToxicSkull0 Sadly I agree. I feel for the devs though. It's tough doing that.
Have you ever played MP, and just played for fun? It’s cheap and still F hard! Plzz leave this game alone!!!
Stfu Alex you've commented like 4 times already. The game is dead af
A lot of games should be removed from steam...
@3D Modeller Nah that one should stay
@3D Modeller missed that one
@3D Modeller noo noo not that one
True, but that would require Valve to create a larger criteria for what games they’ll allow on their platform and it’d backfire as Steam is now. Though I’d say “a game you intent to finish” would be a good start.
80% of all games should be removed on steam.
I'm starting to see a pattern.
Whenever I see a cool looking game on Steam i'm like "wow, cool concept devs, I'll buy it later when it feels more finished".
Then, when i've forgotten about it I see youtubers claiming the game is dead, then I go to its steam page and the reviews are mostly negative.
I guess i'm saving money atleast?
Lol 😂
I have experienced the same. checking on them once in a while through my wishlist, often forgetting I put the game there. But yea, it can save you money!
you seem to be clairvoyant, saves you a lot of money!
I copped the game for free just before it WAS taken off steam. I actually enjoyed the game quite a bit aside from the occasional bug that I personally experienced. But any serious issues were fixed with a simple restart. I wish the game had been able to continue development as this is such a good idea and I really enjoyed it. Thankfully the Hellion Rescue Project is planning to fix a lot of the issues and even update the game themselves.
So they’re selling abandonware. (By their own admission) while stealing money to fund their own stuff, while claiming to have run out of money.
This developer should be black listed.
That’s if they’re producing another game, which from what I’ve seen is just a rumour. However they should still be viewed with suspicion if they aren’t making another game with their funds, and if they make another game then I wouldn’t touch it.
Yet that doesn’t stop them. Tarnish a name or development studio... just close it down and open the buisness up again with another name.
at least they are honest. they have no place in dirty dev series.
They could have put it in maintenance mode and claim they are still working on it. But no, they were honest.
It will be funny (or not) if CIG have the courage of one day, say X is unfixable due to spaggetticode. But it probably will never be release officially so that the real cash shop stays up with ship for hundreds or thousand of dollars while keeping the "it's still a beta" excuse forever.
@@LukasRustemeyer Please do ur research and look up the development history of ff14 1.0.
@@LukasRustemeyer when was the last time you heard of a movie being released with sound missing and only some of the CGI completed? When was the last time you heard of a toy manufacture only releasing a toy half built and selling it. When was the last time you heard of a manufacture to release only part of a project and sell it on the market.
This is an unfinished product and it is being sold. No company releases an unfinished product.
honestly... they should have lowered the game to roughly $3.00 released mod tools updated the steam page to say what happened and idk make development a hobby to get rid of the bugs
Josh Staffen this 100%
$3? I'd beat the shit out of you personally. People spend more on asset flips. This was all them
@@publicalias8172 calm down buddy damn
Finding new good games is getting difficult, damn I'm a boomer
Boomers dont care about gamemodes. Youre good
Wtf is a boomer
@3D Modeller The demo was really good. I can't wait for the full game
Boomers are at the top of the food chain
@@minusrandloev261 Its the generation after baby boomers.
I guess you really do need 260mil to make a game like this
Kehinde O facts! ha
@No Name Uh yea they have, SC 3.8 is very much a game at this point and has been for quiet a while I am sorry but these old jokes just go to show that you know nothing of Star Citizen lol
@No Name Ahahahahahahahaha man these jokes are so old it hurts... Honestly in 2019 these jokes just make you look really dumb especially since many games like Hellion can't get off the ground but please keep going we will keep laughing.
VR BRO bro SC is a buggy, shitty mess. Stop acting like it’s something it isn’t. You can’t even run a mission without running into some crazy bugs, most of them mission breaking.
@@PolyFPV I play 3.8 with ease, I have not experienced any major game breaking issues again another that has not played the game lol
It’s more of a space survival game. It’s more like “The Forest” or “Rust” than Elite Dangerous or Star Citizen
This is why I no longer want to support early access games. Even though games like ARK, Rust, Miscreated, PUBG removed the "Early Access" tag to their games they still run and are updating like early access games.
And if no more purchases are made they will stop development bet your life on it
Rust and PUBG are more than complete games so whats the issue?
Continuous update is not exclusive an early access thing. If so you might as well say WoW is an early access game.
I agree. In theory early access can work, it did for Slime Rancher and it seems to have worked for Hades, but developers use early access as an excuse to release barely functioning games and leave them to stagnate. It’s annoying because it’s not the idea that was bad, just the execution.
I hear a lot of this but every early access game I've bought eventually left it as a completed product
Oh look. A small dev studio trying to make a huge game and failing because it was far much more than they could ever succeed in creating?
Who could have foreseen that! :O
I was actually looking forward to Hellion. My hopes for it releasing were, however, very low.
Star Citizen studio(CIG?) when they launched with kickstarter was absolutely tiny :) After couple years of funding they achieved size of aaa. In case of ZH it just didn't go that well ;)
@@Lesminster yes but when are they ever going to actually release a real game? How many years have they been in development? A lot of people still have quite a few big bugs when they try and play
@@Skyhunter826 When you take a look on how much time it takes for regular fully developed AAA studio to produce their flag-type game you will notice Star Citizen development doesnt really take that much time, especially considering the scope of it ;) GTA V took like 10 years or so and rockstar was already big back when they started. Other thing is regular games are not revealed till some state of development or until finished, and what is even more important you won't hear of any bugs and problems of a development process of a game that is not on early access so you may get the impression that Star Citizen is somehow worse or "full of bugs", it is but it is early access game and every game in it's state would be stuffed with issues, but you just won't hear about them from a studio that is not obligated to tell you ;) Worth mentioning is that optimization usually takes place after certain crucial game modules are finished.
Lesminster you forgot to mention another thing, SC will be pushing the limits of what’s possible in modern gaming, that, coupled with the fact that they are an indie studio developing their first game makes the amount of development time spent seem reasonable.
Horrible Games and Devs: Exists*
BigFry: “So you have chosen... death”
ToxicSkull0 I feel like nothing happens to them anyway
ur gay
hey look what happened to Fallout 76 people still bought it even for $60
Yeah don't remind me, I still had some fun with my German friends on there though.
Is it still cool to trash on FO76? I played it with friends and got my money's worth. It really is nowhere near as bad as people make it to be. People like you seem to hop on the bandwagon to trash that game, but I'd wager you've never even played it.
hey the game was fun at launch but yeah they fuck ruined it
i didnt buyed fallout 76
You literally can't Glad you still managed to get some fun out of it, but the game is not being trashed for not being ‘fun’. The game is being trashed for being a ‘flagship status’ product which was released way too early and the developers were aware of this, since they have not fixed the issues or content they promised since the start, and since they turned to even more buyable content updates (even outside of cosmetic updates) I’m wondering if I’ll ever spend my hard earned money on a bethesda game again. I used to love the studio, but Fallout 76 is nothing more than an unfinished cash cow sadly
Whenever this happens i find my finest wine, light my caramel mocha scented candles, find my fart robe with silk from eastern lands, and sit in my recliner and scoff.
A man of culture👏👏
*fart robe*
Whencyou fart in a robe it allows your farts to travel upward towards the collar area allowing you to smell your concentrated fart. Its the highest quality sniff of fart you can get without it being polluted by fresh air or losing its potency by free dispersion.
The issue here is that if hellion should be removed from steam, then you need to go have a look at After Reset, a tech demo that has been on steam for a very long time with a 30 quid price tag, with no obvious development going on (barring a developer decision to drop the price to 14.99 for the sale). At the very least, hellion is a game that you can play and enjoy to a certain degree.
I've paid full price for the game just when it was released. I like the fact that they use orbital physics, I liked how difficult it was to pilot and doc ships I wanted to support the development of this game. I knew there is a chance the game my fail completely. Last time I played the game was about 3 years ago. It was fun :) It sucks that they fail and I wish more game devs try to make games with real orbital physics.
That was cool to see my gameplay featuring this video. My experience with the Hellion was rather positive, especially when the devs added single player mode `cause multiplayer was literally unplayable with all the bugs it used to have. But i agree with BigfryTV`s message that the front page of the game in Steam has to be changed as it is misleading people who just surfing the Steam store and know nothing about the case. By "misleading" i mean that nearly 60% of the game features listed are still marked as "in development". That`s a shame.
I like when you say. "Assholey"
@No Name poetry
I love the community you've built with both fans, and content creators Fry. Seriously, all of you bounce off of each other, you make topics like these seen and shared to so many people by working together, sharing information, and shouting each other out. All this probably goes without saying, but you guys are bringing people together, and keeping them informed. Brilliant work to everyone involved. Here for 10k, here for 100k, and I'll sure as hell be here for a mil. up up up baby!
The 'former programmer' said that it needed to be rebuilt. My guess is that when the developer told the investor that they needed to go back to step 1 the investor decided there was not enough interest in the game to warrant further investment
Dont forget that there are also great Games in Early Access. Deep Rock Galactic, The Forest, Rimworld. :) ROCK AND STONE !
... yes and now compare this good games with bad ones, so who wins? how many bad early access are existing compared to good ones? :x
FTL its not all failure stories.
The game is being removed from steam tight now.
Its free to keep until 30.3.2020 and then the game wont be purchasable.
Pretty sad :( it had potential but devs f***ed it up
I agree, it might not have been intentional and they had a serious lack of skills to tackle the issues the fact is, as you said, way to early in early access and the way they decided to react to the situation. The proper way would have been to do what the documentation recommends under "What happens if I don't complete my game?" and contact STEAM. If they don't make profit anyway, they could just pull the game and close the servers with a 6 month notice to fans or similar.
Developers never seem to read the documentation STEAM gives them and if they do they just ignore the guidelines and think they know better.
I think content creators have read it more than devs.
Why would you screw the people who backed you even MORE by shutting down the servers? These Guy's are keeping the servers OPEN so people can play and they turned the game over to the Mods, they did a lot better then they could have.
Pocketing the remaining money, is no pure business model, this is called exit scam.
Btw, what is the point of putting the rest of the money into new projects? Who would be wanting to buy into any new projects from such devs?
Unfortunately a lot of people don't check devs before purchasing or even prepurchasing games.
This is why Steam needs a developer and publisher review system, so people can see how good those folks are or if they’ve got a reputation for crappy behaviour.
Barring one person's review on the steam page, there is no evidence that there is any money left.
@darkironphoenix
That’s true and should be taken into account, but they still have a webpage for the game up and the Steam page is still advertising features they aren’t adding. I’d say that’s at least a bit suspect.
@@annabella1650 They should update the description sure, but as for the webpage, the game is still for sale, so i don't really see why they can't have a webpage for it, as long as it reflects the state of the game.
Fair arguments. I bought Hellion, I'm actually still playing it. I think it sucks they can't complete it. Do I feel I lost my money?
I put 43 enjoyable hours into the game. Bought it for 22 euros.
A simplistic method I use is that I rate how satisfied about a game by dividing the money by the amount of hours played if that number is above 1 then I'm not happy about my purchase.
that's 0.511 for Hellion. (Kerbal space program was really good at 0.05 probably even lower because I've spent ages playing it before it even got to steam early access) Subnautica was somewhere in between. Those games made it in part because of early access.
So in short... No... I didn't waste my money.. I'd still spend the money knowing what I know now.
It's early access. You know you're playing an incomplete game, a game that you risk will never be completed. The upside is that you're investing in the dreams of game-devs. I was part of the hellion experience. I enjoyed the game, and still do. And the few euros won't break my bank.
You win some you lose some.
They should however clearly indicate the status of the game as no longer under production on the store page. Not doing so is unethical. I understand the issues they probably have with lost revenue for a company that is small and struggling. But that's no excuse to mislead your customers. I have recommended against buying the game on steam for this reason.
Sorry boys, Star Citizen is the space game to rule them all
Where you can buy million dollar ships with real money...
@@Ratty_Mask There are no Million dollar ships in SC , Go check out Entropia Universe its been out several years now and they sell land and planets For Thousands of Real Dollars and in fact Hold the Title of Most expensive virtual assets ever sold. A planet was sold for over $30, 000 Dollars just like 2 years ago.
If they dont cut and run in their Lamborghinis.
@@AlbertoMartinez765 oh did I confuse the two? I swear (while I was exacturating) star citizen sells ships for a few hundred bucks
@@Ratty_Mask u know that u can already rent a lot of ships ingame for ingame money and only have to pay 50 bucks for a great & long lasting experience
The Long Dark is one of the (very) few good Early Access stories. Especially considering most Early Access Survival games are a dime a dozen shit-shows. Yall should check it out if ya havnt. Just wanted to shout out my fave game ^^
The game looks good tho
jusuf kartoev there are parts that are actually FUN. I’ve played it a bunch. Even as recently as a month ago.
jusuf kartoev A game can look good, but that doesn't mean it IS good (like Order 1886 or Ryse)
@@sheriffaboubakar9720 ryse is good though. It may be short but I thoroughly enjoyed it when I played it
@BigfryTV Hey man, have you heard of Guardians of Orion? It's currently in phase 1, it costs only a dollar on Steam, and the Devs said that Phase 2 will bring in a lot more content hopefully. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
I bought this game because of bluedrake 42 lol last early access game I ever bought it was good but sad it didn't take off now Star Citizen is the only one left that is actually doing something good with 3.8 and here's hoping all the money they made will turn out a good game after Dayz and this game Early Access is a reminder how we can only support so much as it's up to the developers to show promise gameplay and future updates
Bludrakes titles....are like this
Bluedrake is a frakkin' joke tho', I mean. Come on! :O
I'm 100% sure this is a result of Star Citizen. The devs are fully aware of the shadow that Star Citizen is casting on all new space games, they know they have less capital, less users and ultimately a dramatically smaller market share. They're scared and they know they won't be able to match SC, hence moving onto other projects. Change my mind
Yes that's actually a possibility.
Won't be able to match SC? It's pretty easy to match and surpass a game that will never come out haha.
Hellion developers are a bunch of guys from Belgrade, Serbia, who were essentially given a ton of money to make this game. Serbs being Serbs, they ended up squandering most of it on overpriced computers and an overpriced workspace equipped with things like massage chairs, gym, beds, etc., George Romero-style. The management essentially heavily mismanaged the funds the company had, which is why the company went down the drain and the project was released like this.
Giga do you have any evidence to support this?
If that’s true then the game was scam
Not to sound like a dick, but who the hell actually thought this was going to work out? These shitty indie games pop up in early access to steal your money a thousand times a year, and yet everyone acts all shocked when the game is trash. How many times do they need to fool you before you learn? It's like buying bootleg DVDs from a street corner, just to be bewildered and appalled when it turns out you didn't actually get a copy of The Godfather 7. Do people put any research into things before they start throwing money away? Everyone complains about the abundance of early access scams, but the real issue is that you keep falling for it.
Wow, who would have guessed the wildly overambitious indie company with no accountability wouldn't deliver on their promise...
The interesting thing is that they used Early Access as a way to keep their mismanaged project above water, pushing their problems onto their consumers and delaying the inevitable instead of fixing the fundamental issues with their broken product before public release.
Early Access is not an excuse to put a price tag on a broken product.
Say what you will about star citizen, it is still better than this lol
Not just that. They somehow have found a way to sustain. They are still going strong. Probably as strong as ever.
@@kamencic well... SC make you buy multi thousand dollar ship and the average "real user" (so disregarding thoses who bought alt account) spending is well over 200$ per backer ... and nearly 300m in funding...
Not even ONE single ship was gifted to backer as thanks. EVERYTHING you can make money of, you sell. but they have no choice if you look at their disclosed financial repport of 2017.(cost of dev/year and money in reserve)
Objectively speaking SC is far worst, should they stop development (concidering they DO NOT have 200m in reserve but are living year to year) the implosion of the bubble will eb so large you could create another universe.
I think it's unfair to say this when SC is getting tons of funds and will continue as long as the game stays in developpment. (because once release they won't be abble to sell ships anymore)
@@ereder1476 Why look 2017 report. They released 2019 report. During this year they've spent 14 milions more than they obtained. But they both earned the most and spent the most during the passing year. They have several solutuons to success. One of the most probably ones is to just have one similar year and half maybe and then release Squadron42 in 2021. After that they'll have both increased income and decreased costs.
edit: in short words they are in place they wanted to be.
@@kamencic link it to me then, i have not seen it.
but the problem still stand: they cost/year is so much that should they cut their funding or suffer multiple bad years, they won't be able to continue the development for no more than 2-3 years.
Meanwhile in 2016 (so after CR decided to increase the scope of the game) CR said that they had enouth money, so much so that should the funding stop completly, they would have enouth to finish SC for release . that was back when they had 140m IIRC. 2017 report shown that that was a lie. Why lying?
i am glad they raised more than they spent. but that's thanks to anniversarry sells etc . this is a short term view.
@@ereder1476 I maybe wasn't clear. They didn't raise more than they spent. They spent 7 milions more. In previous post I said 14 but I was mistaken. I didn't see report but watched a video from SC content creator who has explained it. I could find you link to that video if you are interested really.
"Hey, we started making the game, and althought we haven't finished it officially, people weren't paying and playing so we decided to stop making the game"
I have the opposite issue. Saw it during the development, went "cool, I'll pop back here in a year's time to see you guys still have the same vision / haven't sold out / when the game is more complete and is less 'early access' and whatnot" - turns it out it got abandoned, pity but fair enough. Now when the devs left it as free to play due to abandoning the project, I can't find it anywhere to try and see where they got up to since it's not available on Steam and can't be downloaded anywhere else...
the only way someone that doesnt have it on their library is to family share, have it downloaded on a computer then request the access from the steam owner, but the owner cant be on at the same time.
You should review Hentai World War 2. It’s a hardcore tactical shooter that shows off the horrors of war and the brutal reality of it all.
Just go play Star Citizen.
Katze - I love good sarcasm!
Politica Agnostica what?
No, it shouldn't. What if a person who doesn't own it wants to play the game? Then what?
Agreed there enough "Game" for someone to play for dozens of hours just Put a Tag on it "Unfinished Abandoned by Devs" and let people try it if they think it's interesting.l The devs handed over the game to the Mods and left the servers running so anyone can play they could have said OH well shut it down and shut down the servers they didn't.
Bro have you done much other than playing video games, recording them and spouting opinions? You sound genuinely upset over this. People fucked up. You're rubbing their nose in it and offering advice. Have you built and launched a game before yourself or are you talking shit on the internet? Opinions are like arseholes man, everyone's got one. Advice is best reserved for those who know what they're talking about.
12:35 I don't know if you've ever been coding is a huge code base, but you get some shit I can tell you. When you have to rebuild the fundation, the whole goes to trash too.
It never should have been a MP title. It should have strictly been a SP title which would have allowed them concentrate on the AI and other stuff. They did release a SP mode, but I wasn't interested in buying the game after hearing the complaints.
11:30 Early access is used as a way to help fund the development of games. That is the only point...
How do you know they got money ONLY from the early access? They talked about their investors that lost money... who are they talking about? FFS, your video raise more questions than answers!
So they're using money people gave them to develop a specific game to fund *other* games? Isn't that simply fraud?
i think star citizen killed this game, only hellion no.1 competitior to star citizen.
Sory for my bad english
Steam should be removed from steam
The biggest shame about Hellion is that not all the devs were pieces of shit. It only takes a few bad eggs though...
The experience of Hellion is probably worth 10. You will sink a lot of hours into it if you choose to play it (provided you're not eaten by a shelf) but they absolutely should release mod tools and include the half finished stuff in the game's code so that the players can do more with it. Even if the bugs will never fully be fixed the game itself is one hell of a foundation for great things.
It also occurs to me that Hellion is more engaging in its current bare bones state than Fallout 76 ever was. So take that for what you will.
Why add a Star Citizen tag when talking about another game?
Valve should just remove the early access function completely it's totally broken and 99% of early access games are scams or doomed from the beginning.
'Notice: At the request of the publisher, HELLION is no longer available for sale on Steam.' :(
Early access is so hard to judge. This is one of a number of games that just failed and fell far short of what was promised. At the same time, look at The Isle, a game that looked so bad at first, that was buggy beyond belief. Now it is a wonderful game, with a great dev team. Its even getting a full recode to fix the issues they cant with their current system.
Early access is like kickstarter. Some projects are amazing, and some never even reach backers.
Correct its a Gamble Day One, Nothing is guaranteed..its up to you as an Adult to decide if you want to take the Risk.
It is definitely a mixed bag, most do fail, but you can get some real gems like Rimworld, prison architect, and others.
"The reason no one plays it is cause I didn't play it" wow the ego on this guy
It was a joke... guess it didnt land
Yeah he's a joke, he couldn't build a fraction of what these 4 programmers built even if he had a billion dollars.
"Start small", yeah thanks, cuz we definitely need another fucking looter shooter or shitty survival game lmao, what a joke
@@SaidMetiche-qy9hb He never said he could develop a game. He just pointed out the facts a dev did a cash grab again.
@@SaidMetiche-qy9hb Just because a game is small in scope doesn't mean it has to be bland copy of something else. I've played many small scoped games that are very unique and enjoyable. I feel like many first time game developers bite off more than they can chew. You should always strive to scope your projects according to your resources (time, money, skill), regardless of what you do. Are you a single carpenter with only one summer to spare, maybe you shouldn't build that majestic castle with 40 rooms and sprawling catacombs. Maybe build a small cottage or something like that. Or if you are a small group of game developers, maybe build a smallish single-player game in 2D. Most gamers would prefer a small and short, but completed game that sells for a few dollars, than the promise of a huge game that's unfinished and continues to be a money sink.
I still like the concept. I am eager to get to play such a game in the future. They should try to sell the code or sell the IP.
Star citizen but without the budget.
I’m surprised by their response. I was like 99% certain they were going to start throwing “defamation” around.
Yeah, every game that either doesn't release or releases in a garbage state makes me happier that I continue to put money into Star Citizen. They have the team and funding to actually deliver.
I agree. Star Citizen succeeds because they have been smart. They are not on Steam, they are their own publisher, have their own website and their own game launcher. Thanks to former CryTek employees who joined CIG, they were able to completely re-wrote their engine in 64 bit to fit their scope and ambition instead of using limited 32 bit Unreal or Unity engines. They receive massive support because they're building something for which there is a huge demand in the gaming market right now. They constantly show to their fans what they are working on. They also built 5 studios with most of their staff located in Europe where it is much more cost effective compared to having everything in the U.S. They love PC gamers and are building their game with PC hardware capabilities in mind. The game utilize as many CPU cores/threads as available, multi-GPUs, SSD bandwidth that help with the zero loading screen experience, and will soon be ported to Vulkan. They have also been smart by using the Amazon eco-system. They use both their custom 64bit variant of the Amazon Lumberyard engine and Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud servers.
yeah right, see you in 80 new concept ships
Attention all STAR CITIZEN LOVERS, let this be a lesson as this is going to happen to Star Citizen!!! Chris thanks you for all the money you gave him to have a cushy life!!!
careful there dude, i tried to give a warning, and was white knighted lol
Raven Kraken I should have thought of that but than again I AIN’T POLITICALLY CORRECT!!!!
@@robertsartino6610 lol
just get a job at steam quality control man, they clearly need u
They dont need him,they need money
Steam doesn’t have quality control, which is part of the problem.
@@annabella1650 Why exactly is it a problem? No one is forced to buy the games and they are clearly separated by the early access tag.
Aaand it is here, they offer it for free until 30.3., then there will be no way to obtain it. And then they will only keep servers up in maintenance mode.
I think you were about 10-15% too harsh. Namely on them being the shining example of Early Access problems. Tbh, the mere fact that they actually tried for years puts them above many others imo.
If we're taking them at their word, anyway.
i had the game back in alpha and i looooooove it TBH it was my fav game of all the space games even today if there was a way to buy it i would my old steam got hacked and i cant get it back so i lost alot and this game has been the 1 game i cant replace ...... granted they never really got to a good solid point but with love i thought this game would have beat them all im a big elite dangerous person been trying to get into Star Citizen but its pure dog shit almost all the space games just lack over all but if you put the feet stuff from Star Citizen or at least the graphics over Elite Dangerous youd have the game
so me and my friend have been working for about a year and a half on a massive mod for the game . basicly expanding the game even further with everything they said ' work in progress) being done aswell . i been tyring to contact the developers about the mod because we're not tryna get sued when we release this to the public
Hey BigFry, can you show off the new animations for World War 3? Alot of people are hyped at the animations they will be adding soon in the next update. You can find it on steam news.
Tomorrow baby! Already on it!
@@BigfryTV Awesome man, thank you!
I remember watching someone stream this on twitch a few years ago, and almost getting sick from watching it. I was one of the people that begged you to cover it.
Hellion looks polished, but that's about it.
If you're looking for a good space exploration/survival game, I recommend Empyrion
It's a tale as old as time. they saw what someone else was doing and didn't pay attention to the slow crawl that those someone else's were doing and thought they could limp (ie: rush) their way through development without realizing or wanting to realize what *NEEDS* to go into making a game like this. And I agree, this mess should be taken off of Steam ASAP. If you're not prepared for the long haul don't start a cross-country trip.
Yeah, the devs carry most of the blame here but you know who else I blame? Fickle, Impatient ass gamers. They are to blame as well. ADHD-gamers are a blight on the video-game industry. They really are. Because on one hand, they are constantly bitching and whining for a game to release. "... _When is it coming out_ ...", "... _Is it ever coming out_ ...", "... _What's taking so long_...". And those *SAME* arm-chair developers are the very ones who cry foul when a game releases early (pretty much what Steam Early-Access has become) with a myriad of issues. People who have not one clue of what goes into *ACTUAL* game development want a completely "finished" game but have the unmitigated gall to want it in 6 months to 1 year. WtF?
IMO, anyone willing to pour money into a Steam Early Access title after DayZ, is a moron, and deserves to lose the money they handed over. I used to be more forgiving, but after the 'Z hype' era (where countless zombie/survival titles popped up in early access and crowdfunding), I made a conscious decision to never buy early access again. Most early access titles end up being a failure, or a scam.
If you see something pop up in Steam, first, check to see if it has the Early Access tag, if it doesn't, check the reviews. If it does, click the ignore button, and keep it out of your sight until it pops up in the media or is advertised as being complete and out of early access, then review again.
Early access is a crock. You get what you pay for. £15-20 for an unfinished, hardly started concept? Don't expect it to get any better if you hand over the cash. It's Briffault's Law, but for games.
Thank you for doing this video Big, i bought 2 licenses of this game to support the development, i got a lot of drama from some moderators for giving them feedback, i got banned from their discord server for saying "murica" in the context that i was joking around with a friend in their server, and a moderator said it was racism, and just banned me without giving me any second to talk about it.
I was part of the so called "Test Squad", i invested myself into this game, tried to help out, and then, they decided to end the community "test squad" internalizing the test team, basically silencing the feedback from the community, they are shady.
I agree that the game should not be set as "complete" it is a total lie and bullshit. They deserve the bad rep they are getting and i think it is not enough.
In the steam discussion board there's a lot of people defending them saying we should CHILL because we got what we paid for, and we should not say the are scum.
Hey i am super ok with people wanting to hand down money to these guys, but i have the right to complain, since i paid for the game. No one has the right to silence backlash, if you think it's all good for you, nice, go live your life, let the ones that do not agree with you, lash out.
I clicked the report button on the steam page for this game saying that the game was not completed and should not be for sale. But of course it was ignored. :-\
This is absolutely idiotic - Hellion is an amazing game, and they're not lying by saying it's unfinished.
I played, and loved, Subnautica when it was in an earlier stage of dev.
Also, all your footage is from a previous patch, so that's odd. What's truly odd is there are videos posted from multiple months ago showing the most modern patch, yet you chose outdated older versions to show in your footage.
It's almost like... you didn't do your research?
Good job highlighting Steam's early access regulations. Too many games are allowed to be launched in early access with the early access sales being the primary source of development funding.
The only way Hellion, as abandonware, should be allowed to stay on Steam is if it's free and labeled as a demo that won't be completed.
I think Steam and other storefronts that allow early access sales need to self regulate before actual legislation happens that screws over the very few developers who have an actual development plan and use early access to both show off the game and use player feedback to help guide development and fix issues.
I read a lot of reviews on Steam early access games where the reviewer says something like, "the game has x, y, z problems and is missing content, but it's still early access, so I'm sure it will be sorted out by launch."
There's guarantee that an early access game will be completed or that issues x y z will be fixed, but there's a player leaving a positive review.
Steam should cap early access game price to something like $5 and / or be liable for refunds if an early access game is not not completed. The 1st would benefit gullible players, the 2nd would force Steam to vet developers who want to use early access.
Realistically though, the entire games industry is early access. Bethesda and Ubisoft are notorious for selling "complete" games a year before they're actually bug fixed and feature complete. Most major publishers use "dlc" instead of "early access", but that's even more nefarious because they are charging full price for an incomplete, early access quality game, then charging more for the "dlc" that brings the game up to actual release quality.
If they can afford to make another game then why the hell didn't they finish it.
Well, to play Devil’s advocate, that’s only a rumour at this point and they have denied it by saying that they don’t have the money to keep their studio together. Granted that could be a lie, or maybe just one of the guys took the money and ran, but I wouldn’t buy any new games they release.
@@annabella1650 Agreed
I wouldn't say you've been to harsh. There's so many games I have wanted to buy early on, but won't until it's further along. I got Tarkov, but in its current state, it's at least pretty good. It more or less feels like a finished game. I have Session and Skater XL, and both of those need some more work. But they're still pretty playable. If any of those games were more or less abandoned, I would be a little upset, but it wouldn't be the end of the world.
But if a game is just more or less broken, and I'm just left with that, then I'm going to be pissed. And it's why I rarely ever get an early access game. Or it's why I never really even pre-order games. I'll wait to see what kind of state a game can be brought out in before giving them my money.
Yep. And now the dev is posting ON XMAS DAY trying to retaliate and justify how they fucked us all over. I want a refund. I just bought the game then a month later they say whoops we can’t make the game. Have fun !
I think people should take note of the devs that was involved with this project. Cause with their behavior, I would expect them to change the name of their "studio" before launching their other project as we seen with so many failed "games" before. The fact that they already have another project means they have known this for a long time, and planned for it. Watch out for them in 2020 and don't give them your money again.
you should do a review of star citizen , but at least play some of the missions enough to know, how deep the gameplay goes. i own star citizen but don't play it much but.
It would be nice to get a nice deep drive into star citizen from " your point of view big fry".
If only all early access devs followed the model of Rimworld
Can shitty redundant youtube videos also be removed that are just jumping on bandwagons for any given gaming topics that offer nothing new and basically just say the exact same thing as whatever other video they decided to rip off? I think steam removing shitty games and youtube removing spam shitpost videos would be great.
Early Access games should be removed from Steam. over 90% Early Access games come *OUT* of early access!
Game development is an incredibly hard and risky process, maybe some wannabe developers are still under an illusion. Looks like there are many similarities between developing games and setting up a startup, yes you have to start small and see whether you can have result and build from that, gradually overtime (from one game to the next). Being ambitious too early and incapability to correctly assess your resources and setting appropriate target will only kill you.
I got it for free so...🤷♂️
It's a shame really. I think this game had great potential. A lot of good ideas and mechanics already in the game. But, it was probably a mistake to try to make something with so much scope on Unity to begin with. Of course, one of my all time favorite games, was Subnautica, and the devs had a huge amount of work to get the game playable in Unity, but in the end they made something that I still love to this day.
"not up to the same quality of star citizen....it just looked like a big bag of shit"....pffffft, as if Star Citizen isn't a massive truckload of shit also.
I just came to discover this game when browsing through a torrent website. Looks amazing on the paper. But now I'm not sure I'll give it a chance...
That is fraud. you can't take money to make something...not make it and keep the money. If the money ran out, well, that's the risk of backing a game in early access. But if there is money being funnelled out, nah, that's fraud.
Just open source this shit.
HELLION is a prime example to why good prototypes shouldnt be place on steam until you can actally make something of it with good backing.
why dont the re label hellion as a ghost / exploration game there is stil that Fiona and her ship the player can be part of the resque team . find out what happend find and fix the ship and then jump back to earth (with survivors if there are any) sorry for my bad spelling
I bought this "product" almost a year ago, but did not install it even once, because i wanted to wait for more of the listed features to be in, when starting. I will ask Steam for a refund (not that i expect to get anything, but i still want to step on their nerves).
8:30 Before saying that they took the money and ran with it, can we get... I don't know... the estimated ammount of money left?This is the one point that would make me agree with you. With what was left in their pockets, would they have made it?
They were quite upfront about it.. so many games now this is an issue. Shouldn't hate on people for the first time this happens. Again, it sounds like they are very up front.
"Start small" will only add another fucking 2d pixel platformer to steam. It's starting to get uncreative sadly.
Lowering price on the basis of a product not being finished its awful imo, would you buy a burger without the beef? Is this not a violation of consumer law?
As a logically thinking human...... who would buy this after those negative reviews?? I mean really??
Damn good video, I sure hope GIG IS LISTENING TO THIS VIDEO. 2020 is almost here and soon almost gone.
its just wrong. your right. ppl payed for early access with the understanding and agreement that the money is to pay for a finished product period. This is Fraud.
Many studios are doing this, using the money to develop new projects and abandon the last ones...
Tbh this is a problem that started with the massing of indie companies as a whole yes I know there are a few great indie games out there but for 1 great one you get 100 shitty ones this has lead to a over saturation of the market which has lead to this sort of behavioral nonsense by devs and it also basically lead to the death of creativity to a certain extent in this field
You're wrong, if I want to have my friends play with me. I should be able to play with them.
steam is full of shit
I'm sorry but this video sucks.
You literally said at the beginning "yeh so I don't know almost anything about this game but I'm going to hate it with my assumptions"
I have played Hellion and I loved it. It was a great game, only in it's kind and it was something I was looking for. Basically Rust or ARK but in space and realistic.
Was it released too early? Hell yes. The game had huge requirements to run smoothly and was full of glitches that made it unplayable. But still it had great potential.
Does it remind You of something? *Star Citizen*
Problem is, the game was little too ambitious for developers. They just couldn't handle it and they can't afford to sit and work on the game, they need money for living as well, they are humans like us. Another thing, "impossible to fix", they made VERY bad choice for game like that, Unity engine. They were fighting issues with performance and crashes that were caused by unity itself, that took their time so they couldn't fix the bugs in game and of course bringing any new content was impossible and pointless at this point.
However they were fighting for so long with low community and few people playing. They increased performance greatly, added some basic content and fixed a lot of bugs. Game is playable, I would even say it's even in better technical condition that Star Citizen. But... the money ran out, they pushed how much they can fix and optimize with Unity to the limit so they had no choice but to abandon as they would have to scrap entire project and start from the beginning in different engine or their own.
The only real difference between this and Star Citizen for example, is that they just sold the game for base price and tried to work with it when SC sucked a lot of money from Kickstarter and now for buying ships for few hundred USD.
But of course here comes Bigfry and people like You to just spread hate and spam negative reviews without any knowledge of the situation.
Also, of course, let's accuse them of stealing money and running. Orrrrrr maybe let's do the math instead of repeating lies?
Steamdb predicts 50k to 100k copies sold so let's assume 75k
Price was 20 usd right? But in USA. A lot of countries have lower prices, there were a lot of discounts so let's assume 15 USD per sale (but Imo its still too much)
EA released in February 2017 and end of development was in October 2019 - that's 32 months I think
75 000 * 15 = 1 125 000 USD
Did I say they did? No, I actually said the opposite. Fucking watch the video instead of just insulting and fanboying like a dumbass