That’s their goal. They want more scoring to appeal to the casual viewer. That’s why Kiper wants them to bring safeties down. Less running & more successful shots over the top, because it’s more aesthetically pleasing. It’s so stupid 😂. You’re literally destroying what makes football, football, just to cater to the casual crowd. If you don’t like defense, then football isn’t for you
They did ban things for defense like how you couldn't run across the middle now players run loose routes across the middle. That was an advantage the defense had although you could throw across the middle but teams would pay and it was a high risk low reward play.
Like everyone I like watching good offense but I want good offense versus good defense not shitty defense. Also Dominique has it right the bigger problem in the NFL is the poor O-line play, and fools always drafting Wide Receivers over them.
After watching Aaron play an last night. I learned that current NFL qb play is bad, it’s not cover two it’s bad traits being taught to qbs now from an early age to bad coaching and too many rookie qbs playing, we just have to accept that the golden age of qb is over and the qbs were getting g today are not as good as what we had before
A key pattern I’ve been seeing with my college coaches and other college guys I’ve seen is that the qbs are always seeming to be taught reading low to high no matter what the concept is. I coach high school, but my qbs reads are different depending on the play. Sometimes high to low.
I believe a big factor of why offensive numbers are down so far is because O-line play has been declining. There's very few teams that have good OLs now, and even if they do, many of them can't stay healthy because they are getting destroyed in the trenches.
@@Fiendsandfamilydon’t be a doofus. The most important component is the QB. He has to not only have the arm to make the throws, but the confidence as well. JJ is just an added advantage because he understands how to manipulate coverage
You just run it against cover 2, it is why running the ball is so big early in the season. I personally like the switch back to running it more, a balanced run-pass is what football is about IMO. Basically, all teams need to be better balanced.
Two high safeties doesn’t necessarily mean it’s Cover 2. Cover 4 & Cover 6 are two high safety shells as well 😂. If you wanna learn more about coverages + passing concepts & how they work, sub to “the QB school,” first down training, American Football Academy, etc. Would expand some of y’alls football IQ tremendously
@@Dacoldest23Mel Kipers gripe with cover 2 is that it allowsthe safeties to lineup presnap too far from the line. So if the rules were changed to match his view, all two high schemes would be illegal. That includes cover 2, but also includes Cover 4, Cover 6, Prevent, 2-man etc. Pretty much only variations of cover 1, cover 3 and crowded box blitzes would be allowed in the NFL in Kiper's dream world. Honestly cover 3 is better at defending deep passes than cover 2 so if Kiper's big gripe is that QBs can't throw it deep anymore, its odd he would still allow that. Like the major weaknesses of cover 3 are the flats and crossing routes. However cover two often allows receivers to get wide open in the seems or with corner routes.
That fact that he has to explain what Cover 2 is and what its weaknesses are just shows how bad most fans football IQ is 😭. If you’re new to the game then no offense, but for those who have been watching for a while & had no idea, don’t ever pretend like you know ball again lmao
lol seriously like don’t get me wrong Vic fangio had great utilization of cover 2 and the rest of the league followed suit but in a league where we have such elite passing for everybody to shell up and be scared like they’ve never seen a 2 high safety look is mind boggling to me
I don't think Stephen A. Smith or most non athlete sports reporters know this. You can tell by the stupid questions they ask players in interviews and the focus on debates instead of the technicalities of the games.
@@C47vin Right lol, and a 2 high safety shell doesn’t necessarily mean cover 2, it could be cover 4, cover 6, etc. Mel just wants the safeties moved up so there is less running and more easy shots over the top
@@JBullock54That doesn’t matter if the offense doesn’t take advantage of it. Plus you can still do 2 man and have a QB spy or DE contain. You just have no IQ and blame the game
Quarterback development question sounds exactly like the difference between Stroud and Young at the moment. Stroud was taught for success in the NFL, and Young was coached for the draft. Most importantly; it shows that Mel Kiper was wrong about the draft, and the 2high debate is the distraction. Mina Kimes always has a next level ❤
oh please lol the biggest difference between Stroud and Young is one guy is built for it and one guy just isn't.... one guy can effortlessly complete any throw on an NFL field, and one guy has to step into it with everything he has to hit a quick out and still can't get it there with proper velocity you literally can't "teach" or "coach" a guy built like Bryce to work in the NFL
Young got projected and drafted No.1 Which means most of the experts and the bookies were wrong. All I need you to remember is Mel Kiper was wrong, and that this useless argument about 2high coverage is only to distract from that egregious failure/setup.
Great point is Teams being managed to win in the short rookie QB "window"... In order to help rookies succeed the game needs to be simplified instead of adding nuances and complexities from season to season with a stable group of veteran players and coaches.
Take away pre season, starters not really playing. Of course offense will struggle early, young QB's in the league, constant coordinator changes each year is probably a pretty tell sign of why offenses start slow.
@@tb2704It kinda works both ways, but its a much more solid plan with the rigjt guys. When your DB's are suspect you're "providing Safety help". When your group is a solid unit you're "wishing a MF would pass it". Saints vs Eagles is literally gonna show u this.
I also want to point this out....passing the ball isn't as prolific as everyone keeps claiming. The "passing league" is a false narrative. I've covered this on my channel. In the last 15 seasons, the average passing attempts haven't increased that much, and the average rushing attempts has decreased by less than one.
Simple the QB play got worst…see everyone was pushing for the duel threat athlete QB! It’s going to take a while before we see high scoring again. The QB play is not good enough at this point Pat Mahomes and Rodgers excluded
i dont agree. if you actually look back even 10 years ago youd see that most qbs were pretty bad. theres more passing talent at the 1b position than ever. most players are in such conservative systems though. watching a mahomes reg season game theres a chance youll not even notice how good he is.
I think over paying QBs has lead to a lot of teams without WRs or offensive lines (or both) to throw against 2 deep! A lot of QBs are being overdrafted and despite having athleticism, they are using it as a last resort instead of forcing teams to play 11 on 11! So these QBs are not dual threats because NFL coaches are not maximizing athleticism of these players! Running at QB is still shamed!
Alright guys, if you expect to keep watching this breakdown then y''all gonna have to use the actual game footage. It makes is easy to follow and as society we have on from miss pacman videos.
I DARE you to talk about the Hawks defense and what they did to the Dolphins Them boys is cold 😷 Offense can play too. O-line is a liability but this team has been a team for 8 months 😂 They'll be aight
Okay two things. First, how much more are they going to cater to one side of the ball. We want to see big time plays, but we also want to see big hits, pick sixes, kick off returns, defenders getting their ankles broken. Second, some of y’all need to get off Madden 😂😂😂😂😂. Y’all out here running Cover 2, Cover 6, Seattle, Four Verticals like every other play.
You missing the point.. the cover 2 isn’t the problem.. the safety’s bengals 30 yards back Is the problem… plus this isn’t the NFL of back in the day.. these linebackers are fast enough to cover the middle
Wait was there actual conversation about banning cover 2?? We're getting way too soft if we're seriously having conversation about banning a certain coverage
Yes, Mel Kiper Jr said two high safety shells should be banned 😂. That applies to cover 4 & cover 6 as well, which are two common coverage shells at the NFL & Collegiate levels. They’ve been around forever
To say you don’t need a good QB to make those passes against cover two, is a foolish comment. It’s the sorry DBs that are playing in the cover two that get beat. If the DBs double cover a receiver you need quality throws to win…
This is just talking fodder, Mel threw out a bad opinion, he has no authority. People making content are taking advantage and that's fine, but anyone taking the conversation about banning it seriously needs to chill.
This idiocy shouldn’t even be entertained with a response or explanation. The nfl needs to stop simplifying everything to favor having an advantage on offense. It’s not making the game “more exciting”. it’s making the nfl, as a product, become less skilled, sloppy, and unwatchable. The nfl only seems to care about expanding to foreign markets instead of the deteriorating product that they put out on the field.
No one cares about this beside normie and casual NFL watchers and normie, cheap, and casual NFL analysts. I know my Chiefs are suseptible to it now and Mahomes probably not going to get to 4500-5000 yards this season, but doesn't seem to be affecting Carr and the Saints. It will be beaten. It's still 11 vs 11. Ya'll really need to stop publicly crying and flexing your cheap analyst privilege. There's a way to beat two high. Have a few crossing speed routes, run the ball, etc but cry and discussing NOTHING IS STUPID. Don't even let this become a topic. NFL spoiled a bunch of you cheap, offensive minded analysts by being so harsh on the defense and I'm finally over that. A stupid rule change of a defensive formation will drive me off for good. Evolve!!
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Crazy asf seeing the Brady clip from 2022, soon as he hiked the ball “They in cover 2” 😭😭😭😭😭🐐
This is great hearing you break it all down.
Offenses have most of the advantages so they should never consider banning an advantage any particular defense has!
That’s their goal. They want more scoring to appeal to the casual viewer. That’s why Kiper wants them to bring safeties down. Less running & more successful shots over the top, because it’s more aesthetically pleasing. It’s so stupid 😂. You’re literally destroying what makes football, football, just to cater to the casual crowd. If you don’t like defense, then football isn’t for you
@tb2704 most money comes from casuals, they have to cater to them.
@@Six_FiveMadara Not most
They did ban things for defense like how you couldn't run across the middle now players run loose routes across the middle. That was an advantage the defense had although you could throw across the middle but teams would pay and it was a high risk low reward play.
The most on point segment I think I’ve ever seen. Congrats to everyone involved and thank you!
Like everyone I like watching good offense but I want good offense versus good defense not shitty defense. Also Dominique has it right the bigger problem in the NFL is the poor O-line play, and fools always drafting Wide Receivers over them.
This was such a great break down. Best I’ve seen in awhile
After watching Aaron play an last night. I learned that current NFL qb play is bad, it’s not cover two it’s bad traits being taught to qbs now from an early age to bad coaching and too many rookie qbs playing, we just have to accept that the golden age of qb is over and the qbs were getting g today are not as good as what we had before
A key pattern I’ve been seeing with my college coaches and other college guys I’ve seen is that the qbs are always seeming to be taught reading low to high no matter what the concept is. I coach high school, but my qbs reads are different depending on the play. Sometimes high to low.
Low to high to keep the Qb from throwing the game away by trying to force big plays. Also more efficient to read a high low concept for most avg QBs.
Lady asked a great question. What a pro.
I believe a big factor of why offensive numbers are down so far is because O-line play has been declining. There's very few teams that have good OLs now, and even if they do, many of them can't stay healthy because they are getting destroyed in the trenches.
Darnold and Jefferson had no problem taking the top off 😎
Antonio Brown took the top off and never played again
Yea like every team has a receiver of that caliber
@@Fiendsandfamilydon’t be a doofus. The most important component is the QB. He has to not only have the arm to make the throws, but the confidence as well. JJ is just an added advantage because he understands how to manipulate coverage
Defense need advantages too. If they ban defensive schemes I will not watch the NFL and i will influence others not to as well.
You just run it against cover 2, it is why running the ball is so big early in the season. I personally like the switch back to running it more, a balanced run-pass is what football is about IMO. Basically, all teams need to be better balanced.
Great show
Two high safeties doesn’t necessarily mean it’s Cover 2. Cover 4 & Cover 6 are two high safety shells as well 😂. If you wanna learn more about coverages + passing concepts & how they work, sub to “the QB school,” first down training, American Football Academy, etc. Would expand some of y’alls football IQ tremendously
They are quite confused with what cover two is and 2 high but don’t bother explaining to these people it’ll never work
@@Dacoldest23Mel Kipers gripe with cover 2 is that it allowsthe safeties to lineup presnap too far from the line. So if the rules were changed to match his view, all two high schemes would be illegal. That includes cover 2, but also includes Cover 4, Cover 6, Prevent, 2-man etc. Pretty much only variations of cover 1, cover 3 and crowded box blitzes would be allowed in the NFL in Kiper's dream world. Honestly cover 3 is better at defending deep passes than cover 2 so if Kiper's big gripe is that QBs can't throw it deep anymore, its odd he would still allow that. Like the major weaknesses of cover 3 are the flats and crossing routes. However cover two often allows receivers to get wide open in the seems or with corner routes.
@@Dacoldest23 People aren’t interested in learning. It’s not fun to them. They’d rather stick to the “hot take” BS
If you play Madden you know Cover 2 is great for the deep ball you just have to to time it and read the safeties.
That fact that he has to explain what Cover 2 is and what its weaknesses are just shows how bad most fans football IQ is 😭. If you’re new to the game then no offense, but for those who have been watching for a while & had no idea, don’t ever pretend like you know ball again lmao
lol seriously like don’t get me wrong Vic fangio had great utilization of cover 2 and the rest of the league followed suit but in a league where we have such elite passing for everybody to shell up and be scared like they’ve never seen a 2 high safety look is mind boggling to me
Nah cuh its sad that former players gotta explain cover 2 weaknesses when u got coaches scared of it💀💀
I don't think Stephen A. Smith or most non athlete sports reporters know this. You can tell by the stupid questions they ask players in interviews and the focus on debates instead of the technicalities of the games.
JBullock54-The Ball Knower
@@C47vin Right lol, and a 2 high safety shell doesn’t necessarily mean cover 2, it could be cover 4, cover 6, etc. Mel just wants the safeties moved up so there is less running and more easy shots over the top
Great episode!!! I stayed laughing!!
Ole Dom doing big tings… the bio got ole Timberlake on his show!!! 😂
The problem is ever listening to anything Mel Kiper says. And stop saying “heater,” you’re gonna get stuck and not be able to use any other words.
Well Cover 2 man is how I stop Lamar Jackson and The Ravens in Madden
Which shows how flawed Madden is, because your back is turned to the QB in man
@@JBullock54That doesn’t matter if the offense doesn’t take advantage of it. Plus you can still do 2 man and have a QB spy or DE contain. You just have no IQ and blame the game
Madden isn't even fun anymore.. play Fortnite 😠
@@JBullock54floods beating that cover 2 lol
@@danieldillenburg7194 actually this years edition is pretty good
Quarterback development question sounds exactly like the difference between Stroud and Young at the moment. Stroud was taught for success in the NFL, and Young was coached for the draft. Most importantly; it shows that Mel Kiper was wrong about the draft, and the 2high debate is the distraction. Mina Kimes always has a next level ❤
6'3 compared to 5'9
oh please lol the biggest difference between Stroud and Young is one guy is built for it and one guy just isn't.... one guy can effortlessly complete any throw on an NFL field, and one guy has to step into it with everything he has to hit a quick out and still can't get it there with proper velocity
you literally can't "teach" or "coach" a guy built like Bryce to work in the NFL
Young got projected and drafted No.1 Which means most of the experts and the bookies were wrong. All I need you to remember is Mel Kiper was wrong, and that this useless argument about 2high coverage is only to distract from that egregious failure/setup.
Great point is Teams being managed to win in the short rookie QB "window"... In order to help rookies succeed the game needs to be simplified instead of adding nuances and complexities from season to season with a stable group of veteran players and coaches.
Normally, I'm not a fan. But this was great!
Safeties has gotten as good if not better than receivers.
Take away pre season, starters not really playing. Of course offense will struggle early, young QB's in the league, constant coordinator changes each year is probably a pretty tell sign of why offenses start slow.
The saints play 2 safety high because EVERYONE IN THEY SECONDARY CAN PLAY MAN!!🔒
Your football IQ is so bad 😂
That makes no sense 😂. You play two high more often when you’re not good in man
@@JBullock54 Some fans should be banned from talking football
@@tb2704It kinda works both ways, but its a much more solid plan with the rigjt guys. When your DB's are suspect you're "providing Safety help". When your group is a solid unit you're "wishing a MF would pass it". Saints vs Eagles is literally gonna show u this.
@@tb2704that’s absolutely NOT true dummy
That’s crazy this is even a conversation.
I also want to point this out....passing the ball isn't as prolific as everyone keeps claiming. The "passing league" is a false narrative. I've covered this on my channel. In the last 15 seasons, the average passing attempts haven't increased that much, and the average rushing attempts has decreased by less than one.
Simple the QB play got worst…see everyone was pushing for the duel threat athlete QB! It’s going to take a while before we see high scoring again. The QB play is not good enough at this point Pat Mahomes and Rodgers excluded
No one plays in the preseason anymore neither
i dont agree. if you actually look back even 10 years ago youd see that most qbs were pretty bad. theres more passing talent at the 1b position than ever. most players are in such conservative systems though. watching a mahomes reg season game theres a chance youll not even notice how good he is.
Because Mel Kiper said it.
People complaining and saying we need to ban cover 2 is the most 2024 NFL thing ive ever see
I think over paying QBs has lead to a lot of teams without WRs or offensive lines (or both) to throw against 2 deep!
A lot of QBs are being overdrafted and despite having athleticism, they are using it as a last resort instead of forcing teams to play 11 on 11! So these QBs are not dual threats because NFL coaches are not maximizing athleticism of these players! Running at QB is still shamed!
Alright guys, if you expect to keep watching this breakdown then y''all gonna have to use the actual game footage. It makes is easy to follow and as society we have on from miss pacman videos.
Charlie looks exactly how he sounds, down to the curls 😂
What team do the saints have to destroy in order for yall to call them good
Everybody coming for Mel kiper’s head when Mina literally said the same thing the day before…
What’s a capper?
first step to beat cover 2 run the ball
Why is Jake haener in the thumbnail lol
The goat
That’s what got me here tbh. Genius. The Haener Bump.
The NFL should also ban running plays.
I DARE you to talk about the Hawks defense and what they did to the Dolphins
Them boys is cold 😷
Offense can play too. O-line is a liability but this team has been a team for 8 months 😂 They'll be aight
People are saying ban cover 2 that’s crazy😂😂😂
The video should be called ... Stop Listening To Mel Kiper.
Okay two things.
First, how much more are they going to cater to one side of the ball. We want to see big time plays, but we also want to see big hits, pick sixes, kick off returns, defenders getting their ankles broken.
Second, some of y’all need to get off Madden 😂😂😂😂😂. Y’all out here running Cover 2, Cover 6, Seattle, Four Verticals like every other play.
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You missing the point.. the cover 2 isn’t the problem.. the safety’s bengals 30 yards back Is the problem… plus this isn’t the NFL of back in the day.. these linebackers are fast enough to cover the middle
The guy who never put on a jock strap saying ban cover2 lolol
I thought Mina was a fan of Shane Waldron. I must have missed something.
Mel Kiper had to be joking😂 SMH he didn't mean that.
Wait was there actual conversation about banning cover 2?? We're getting way too soft if we're seriously having conversation about banning a certain coverage
Yes, Mel Kiper Jr said two high safety shells should be banned 😂. That applies to cover 4 & cover 6 as well, which are two common coverage shells at the NFL & Collegiate levels. They’ve been around forever
To say you don’t need a good QB to make those passes against cover two, is a foolish comment. It’s the sorry DBs that are playing in the cover two that get beat. If the DBs double cover a receiver you need quality throws to win…
Not really. Any NFL QB should be able to make the hole shot throw between the corner & safety as well as deep down the middle over the LB’s heads
run people out of cover two. If they don't need a safety in the box, why would they open up deep?
This is just talking fodder, Mel threw out a bad opinion, he has no authority. People making content are taking advantage and that's fine, but anyone taking the conversation about banning it seriously needs to chill.
OR you could just run the ball.
No one said you can’t beat the coverage and have success against it…..the argument is that there are less explosive plays and long throws.
Can somebody fill me in, why would anybody want cover 2 banned?...
The owners want to push higher scoring offenses because it attracts more casual viewers, i.e money
@@DAVO360 wild. I miss 2000-2010 football
how did this ridiculous discourse start? Even if we grant that 2-high is bad and should be banned, how would we even do such a thing?
Ol girl loves to hate on Philly 😂. She’s a SF fan right? Yeah let’s see how she’s talking in January
football is like chicken or the egg theory.
If they do that i will stop watching football
so the coaches/OCs suck?
Y'all really wanna handicap the defense smh
Why in the world is this being talked about?
I dont understand... we have had madden for... ever. Everyone should know how to beat cover 2 😂 what is this
This idiocy shouldn’t even be entertained with a response or explanation. The nfl needs to stop simplifying everything to favor having an advantage on offense. It’s not making the game “more exciting”. it’s making the nfl, as a product, become less skilled, sloppy, and unwatchable. The nfl only seems to care about expanding to foreign markets instead of the deteriorating product that they put out on the field.
No one cares about this beside normie and casual NFL watchers and normie, cheap, and casual NFL analysts. I know my Chiefs are suseptible to it now and Mahomes probably not going to get to 4500-5000 yards this season, but doesn't seem to be affecting Carr and the Saints. It will be beaten. It's still 11 vs 11. Ya'll really need to stop publicly crying and flexing your cheap analyst privilege.
There's a way to beat two high. Have a few crossing speed routes, run the ball, etc but cry and discussing NOTHING IS STUPID. Don't even let this become a topic. NFL spoiled a bunch of you cheap, offensive minded analysts by being so harsh on the defense and I'm finally over that. A stupid rule change of a defensive formation will drive me off for good.
Evolve!!