Are we just not going to talk about FEINT ATTACK ZOROARK?! | Pokemon Unite
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- Are we just not going to talk about FEINT ATTACK ZOROARK?! | Pokemon Unite
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People acting like Zoro has no counters, incredibly skill intensive mon and one missed combo completely derails your fight. Umbreon, Clef, Pika, etc. they don’t nerf it bc it’s incredibly hard to master which is the point, why have something hard to play if it’s bad?
True
That's why zoro can't be used in tournaments without comfey
Even shedinjadoll and eject button cancels it's entire combo not only mons that counter it, it's crazy for people to think it needs nerfs. It would straight up go into the decidueye memorial tier if it gets feint atk and shadow claw nerfed.
@@Ikaretayaroudaze Then right after, the people asking for it to be nerfed will go "why is Zoroark so freaking useless?" like they always do with every single nerfed Pokémon in this game
@@Hugo-yz1vb that feels so true Lmao 🤣 it happened with scyther and greedent too and now both got buffs. Only remaining one is sableye. Heck even now people are complaining night slash zoroark is useless
Average zoroark main-
Very Strong early game
Godly mid game
Insane late game
Zoroark is a problem if only it has Comfey, otherwise there are many things that are good against it or can counter it, like Ttar, Trev, and Blastoise
Plus it takes a good amount of skills, unlike some point and click ice and psychic foxes
Those Pokémon don't counter zoroark at all, it's cooldowns are way too slow for Any of them to catch up.
That's the issue, Zoroark Is way too hard to punish, it doesn't matter how skill intensive it is, it's still broken.
You should've mentioned clefable.
Espeon is a cat though (nekomata)
Volt tackle pika
If 2/3 of your counters are incredibly powerful pokemon, you're just admitting it's overtuned
@@Mixedplayers *Pikachu has entered the chat*
Zoroark's nightmare is pikachu's volt tackle 💀⚡
fr
Pikachu when my full heal is off cooldown*: 🚑🏥🐭☠️⚰️🪦👻
Jk but pika is a pretty hard Zoro MU to play around especially without a fullheal and will burn passive
Illusion invincibility+full heal+dash = rat roadkill
The only thing I'd nerf about feint attack is the final activation range or that extra hit it does like at 3:22.
Do you mean feint attack?
@@lguy8476 yep, always get them mixed up for some reason
Comfey zoroark duos are extremely painful to deal with
Ofcourse removing comfey from game might do the trick as it has one of the worse concept in a moba
But i think nerfing Zoro might end up being the same case as night slash absol
this shit is SO HARD TO PULL OFF Consistently let alone in Draft in Current meta. . and one single death is usually enough to throw pretty much all of your non-squishie ko potential out immediately if the opposing team is even somewhat competent
i understand many are upset with zoros escape options, feint attack cd is pretty much All it has thats straight up nerf worthy and even so its by a slim margin
aside from that big one zoro doesnt rlly have a balance problem that doesnt also go by the following names:
Comfey
No anti chain CC system in unite (shadow claw is a necessary part of its kit IMO but still could be nicer to OT, unreactable permastun is a horrible problem all over the game and some kind of chain prevention would fix this EZPZ)
feint attack needs its animation cancel completely removed (toding a squishie in a second isn't fair), it needs the stunlock removed, and the cd needs to be raised to like 6 seconds because it basically doesnt even punish you at all for missing since you have two dash moves to get out completely free.
@@apersoniguesslolwich animation cancel?
@@Kowareta_Niji_onTG using move 2 while the feint attack dash is taking place. so smth like: FA FA move2 (right when the second FA hits them) FA FA finisher
@@apersoniguesslolwhat part of “squishy” is unclear to you
@@munchlacks2900 i'm not sure what you're trying to say here... if you're suggesting i don't know what a squishie is then my definition is a pokemon that has low hp and is typically a speedster/attacker.
The thing that annoys me is shadow claw. Stuns Everytime you hit feint and it basically gets a free knockout for nothing. CDs are short to.
Saving grace is the loads of counters. But still dumb to get stunned into a free KO at 13. Heck even before that. Really just short cd
High risk high reward move and if you have have skill is op but in a game with so much u have to be rewarded for the risk..zoroark is enemy team comp dependent and comfey is making this thing a monster... They should nerf his move cd by 1 seconds and then there are 3 choices... rework illusion not acting like full heal just block 1 hit of move dmg like calm mind+ or increase illusion cd remove the stun from shadow claw and make it slow enemies
Feint zoro is low risk high reward
If shadow claw won't have stun it will be useless .
I find it funny that people in this comment section are all mad that cris even dares to suggest a feint attack nerf, but when night slash (the much more skillful and worse move) got nerfed people were more concerned with ""OMg wHY DID eLDEgOSs GET NERFED?!?!?! I CaNt dO ATtAcKEr LevELS oF dAMaGE NOW!!!
It takes skill and struggles against the abundant cc. I say nothing needs to be changed on zoroark.
I say it needs a nerf
Yea let's not compared to the broken defenders like Trevenant and Slowbro unite move and cc in general
The only Nerf zoroark should get is cd nerf to faint atk nd shadow claw maybe cut too although it's not used much in this build
As long as leafeon and meowscarada are in the game, they should not touch zoroark.
U didnt get the special efects for zoroarks skills 😭
Some people believe Zoroark doesn't need nerfs. Even argue that Shadow Claw/Cut are irrelevant moves, and don't need to have their CD nerfs. These people are smoking something very strong. Also, to the people arguing "it takes skill", just cause something takes skill, doesn't mean it's not too strong. And Zoroark is too strong, it needs nerfs.
Even when you just pressing button on feint attack you can still get a kill or 2.
@@karan9927we found the first salty zoroark abuser
@@karan9927 Somebody is pressed 🤣. Also, ribbon doesn't mean anything in this game.
@@blameitondannyNot only pressed, but mentally challenged
Don’t worry you don’t have skills… makes a lot of sense in that way.
It's wild how zoroark player defending zoroark because it need skill to play, it busted it need nerf seriously with comfey as well
Feint zoro is no skill mon, people are scared of nerf to their op into the master rank carry mon
You are noob player if your team can't counter zoroark
@@shadowcid1 🤡
@@shadowcid1Fr
Most of my enemies target me as I am a zoro player,I hardly manage to ambush some of their squishy attackers.
wait… cris still doesn’t have movement effects yet?
I think cause zoroark need skill to play with its win rate are relatively low , and because of this it dorges nerfs
That Gengar vs Zoroark battle? Too tough!
Please nerf crisheros😢
I may just be bad with zoro but how tf are you so smooth/clean with it
Ngl, Faint Attack needed a CD nerf that way this annoying Dark Fox doesn't get out for free. I hate to break it to you if you say it takes skill, see a Duo Queue Comfey + Zoroark, or those who are very adept using it, unfortunately I have to disagree with you.
Just cause people are cracked on zoro doesn’t mean he needs to be nerfed
You just used people who are adept (also meaning skilled) at the character to show that the character takes no skill 🤣 what you on bro
@@GrahamBoyd-vy9oz the skill floor on feint attack is really low. You literally stun lock them with shadow claw, you just have to learn the basic combo (it literally took me 10 games for me to get it down consistently) and then you can just turn your brain off while playing and still do really good.
Bro adept means skilled in it PPL have mastered a cracked mon it's bound to be broken if played well .
@@apersoniguesslol well I play cut so my pov is different bc cut takes a lot more skill and timing (no stun)
nerf leafeon first cuz that grass rat gotta GO fr 😭
Hey Cris, wanted to know what mon is the best to buy rn among
blaziken, metagross and leafeon
And about the comment in ur short that was not kind of a hate comment
It's ability makes it the most broken, it's like having 2 full heals, 1 with 50 sec cool down the other with 15, which is even smaller cooldown, it's such a painful mon to be up against if he knows what he's doing.
Or she/they know what she's/they're doing
Honestly i feel like with soo much cc and soo many mons just being strong not enough for zora to one shot zora right now is sitting in a perfect spot as balanced it isn't broken it isn't bad its just good enough in a good hand and bad enough in a bad hand i think it should juts stay as it is as time goes by and new mons are introduced just buff it just a bit bcz right now its perfectly balanced no need to touch it
Zoroark needs no Nerf
zoroark needs some nerfs
@@hungerhungerno it doesn’t
It doesn't need nerfs
Is it weird that i prefer night slash and shadow claw. Because i think it's super underrated and very strong in my opinion
SHH WE DONT NEED ANYMORE ZOROARK NERFS, ITS FINE AS IS
I mean, are we surprised tho? Outrage Dragonite wrecking havoc in games but Hyperbeam got nerf out of nowhere. Same case with Feint Attack 😂
Just increase hyper beam range it will become top build for dragonite, I was dragonite abuser from season 3 and got to 2100 trophies in solo it's got little unplayable when it's range got decrease well I think about it I was really menace for using dragonite in season 3
They nerfed hyperbeam for competitive. Outrage is only good if your enemies have melee.
Zoroark is fun to watch
Play cut and faint attack once 🥵on zoroark
they really need to nerf the range of feint attack, especially the last part that’s a sure-hit. i think if they didnt touch the dmg but decreased range it would feel a lot better to play against
First in 9 sec and zoroark don't need nerfs cause it takes very high amount of skill
Doesn't change the part where it has long dashes on very low cooldowns.
Like at 6:27, most other speedsters would not have survived or escaped that situation without using Unite move.
If we think this way then Pikachu needs nerfs because it takes no skill to play
It does thx for pointing that out. VT stun length is way to long and I think the range is a little much now
feint attack might as well be a point and click move with a few steps added. All you have to do is just spam shadow claw and feint attack, only the animation cancel takes some skill but its one of the easiest anim cancels to pull off in the entire game.
What do you mean they forgot they just don't care, they already nerf night slash they don't care to touch feint attack
No, next question
Does anyone know how to get the skin in the video? Been trying to get it for a while and keeps saying unavailable.
Zoroark don’t need nerf, it’s my favourite.
Я всегда играю на ложной атаке😢😢😢
Эх, раньше все использовали только ночной удар, и только недавно поняли, что ложная атака сильнее😢
No zoroark is ok
Heres the deal, u add some cooldown to zoroark and reduce the same amount from water bear 😅
Great
Have y'all ever found a zoroark player named rev in solo Q? I did. He allways plays with a comfey player. And he is really good at the zoroark combos. And he has his profile set to private. I know, he's the biggest f***** of all time.
It smells like saltiness in here
@@Hugo-yz1vb haha very funny. You know what's the best part? One time I actually got them on my team. Also, I think they should remove the private profile feature. The only reason people use it is to hide their skill issues or that they are tryhards.
@@gudrunlourinho4688 luckily they cannot hide their profiles on UNITE API
@@gudrunlourinho4688 Exactly! I have always hated that feature, like, we already know you suck at the game, don't make it even more obvious than it already is, it's just a dumb and useless feature
@@Hugo-yz1vb seriously what are you supposed to hide with the private profile option? Your address? That's not even in there! (which is definitly a good thing) Everyone knows your bad cuz, as I said, only bad people or duo Q tryhards use it, like, u trying to hide just how bad you are or what?
I love Zoroark
😊😊😊😊
It deserves nerfs people are abuseing it with a comfey mostly golden ribbon player
Bruh if you don’t run anti heal items that’s your fault every game you need one
@@Agilepickleunite I can't just run anti heal on just everything
@@Agilepickleunite I just ban comfey problem solved
@@Rock_hard73that's the best way to defeat zoroark before the match starts
@@Rock_hard73not every match is draft buddy
Cris please no
Leave my Zoroark alone TwT
you guys got mew nerfed by screamingfor them now you guys are gonna get zoroark nerfed for the same reason .....really the unite community are totally noobs .....you get rewarded from learning the pokemon properly but nooo....you guys don't want to learn at all
Then, the people that asked for it to be nerfed will all go "why is Zoroark so useless now?" like they just didn't want it nerfed to the ground
Mew deserved those nerfs, you had probably one of the best early games in the entire game with eball+boosted auto secure being probably one of the best right behind water gun, late game you dealt a boatload of damage and were pretty much immune to dives because of your unite and surf, and to top it all off you also have one of the best secures with unite move explosion+eball+boosted. I love how everyone completely ignores the night slash zoro nerfs.
@@apersoniguesslol even then a skilless person can't do well with mew if he doesn't know which moves to use in which situation ....surf cooldown is higher than most moves so you should not complain about it ....idk why you hate skilled mons so much ...its like you guys just want to close your eyes and then play instead of learning the pokemon fully
@@aarnavbhasin2285 you're able to spam eball/solar beam light screen the entire game and still do fine lol.
@@apersoniguesslol and yet not win games nor carry .....like i said unite committy are such noobs and you are just one of them...nothing but a skilless person
Nah, stfu! In a game where you have only 2 moves + Unite move, Zoroark takes skill comparing to the others characters.
If you have a Wiggly, Cleff, Blastoise, Trev, Pikachu, Ninetales or even Aegislash on the enemy team, you can't do almost nothing against the CC from those characters.
If TiMi nerf Zoroark, it will be the same scenario as E - speed Lucario where the moveset straight sucks.
I said the same with blastoise now water spout sucks, only thing i would add on zoroark is an extra second or 2 on shadow claw @@t1darluy55
Nah bro is the only way to k.o. t tar and some annoying players 😅
Cry babies community... Zoroark is bad vs cc and tanky opponents. I doubt chris will be able to perform 17 kills if pikachu,wiggly, slowbro and mimikyu are on the opposing team. Heavy single target move kills zoroark. All that broken zoro players are using their brain when to initiate, engage and disengage. Probably unite community needs a no brain pokemon like leafeon, zeraora, sylveon, Pikachu that solves their problem with a single click. Expert level pokemons are just too much for their tiny brain.
Of course just use invinsibility from illusion and full heal
Just because something needs a tiny bit more skill to use compared to point and click moves doesn't mean that it should be broken... 1. "heavy single target move kills zoroark"" you have illusion for that (it''s only on a 15 second cd btw) ""zoro players are using their brains to engage" once you learn the basic feint attack combo you can essentially just turn your brain off the entire game and spam FA and SC, at ray fight you just get a flank, wait out their cc and then just decimate their entire backline.
@@apersoniguesslol illusion could be nerf to 20 or 25 seconds cooldown does not change the fact everyone can execute it perfectly. "Everyone turnoff their brain after learning simple FA and SC combo" if you play against a bot, then yes. Still can you 100% consistently guarantee able to execute the combo perfectly without getting fumbled once?. Even pro player still fumbled when performing the combo and that mistake cost a game for them especially at ray fight. No matter how op zoro is, this pokemon still hugely relying on the team composition. Furthermore, we have draft pick now which is another way to counter this pokemon.
Why the Zeraora stray lmao 😭
Brooo plz no nerf 😢😢😢😢😢
Please don't nerf zoroark, high skill Pokemons should be more rewarding
feint attack zoro's skill floor is really low, you just have to learn the basic combo which took me like 10 games and then you can just turn your brain off while playing and still do really good. You don't even get punished for missing your combo since you have two stupidly low cd dashes to get out.
@@apersoniguesslol that's not how it works my guy. You can't be a good player on a Pokemon just by using its moves the way it was intended. Micro is thing
@@apersoniguesslolbro too much cc destroys zoro's combo chain , and I failed combo meaning no escape opting other than eject button which is on 70+ cooldown .
Feint claw combo is a bit hard to mess up, even with the CC.
And no escape options? Hahaha, nice joke.
Check 6:27. Zoroark gets 6 dashes in 10 seconds. No escape options my ass 🤪
@@apersoniguesslolnahh😂 i've skill issue. Aint no way i can shut my brain off on zoro. I always pop off on standards, but on ranked? Nahhhh.
People who think zoro needs nerf are noobs
Nah, they're probably Cinderace and greninja players who get one shot from it cause of skill issue ngl
It's about time. Only this time Zoroark deserves all nerfed. Speedster with Attacker+ damage and average All-Rounder bulk. And CC. And Tenacity. And manoeuvrability. *And crits. And low CDs. And potentially healing depending on which build u use.* Don't forget Illusion which helps to either engage or escape fights. But no guys; Blastoise & Tree are ur priority 😑
skilless player speaking .....go play cinderace or greninja
"average all-rounder bulk"... Pointless to read your comment further more
@@sitarb5934 why not? We watched the same video and that's the conclusion I came to
@@MonsieurDDMonsterr ever played a skilled mon ....you are nothing but an A clicking person
@@aarnavbhasin2285 high skill floor can still mean broken mon I literally made ur argument w/ Blastoise as Pump can miss and be CC'd w/ no compensation, but he still got nerfed 💀
Why you're not streaming?
Well, I guess I can just ask for it to be nerfed in the next survey.😂
Honestly, however, Zoroark needs this, even if I don't care for it that much.