41:38 Yes the black levels are there in the QM7 but the QM8 is way brighter while maintaining excellent black level, that's the kind of thing you only expect from OLED.
Excessive brightness isn't a good thing. You're also comparing a TV that's 500 difference. It's not worth the price difference. The qm7 is the overall better tv
@enzopied3015 I know more than you do that's for sure. If you dont think excessive brightness is a bad thing and ruins picture quality you are the clueless one. Just cause you like your own comment doesn't make you look less foolish.
@@enzopied3015 I own an LG 65 oled TV. It is very bright and that can be annoying to be honest. I think depends of your set up. My living room is pretty dark and feels like looking at the sun 😂
Black levels get real deep for the QM7 to the point where even if you turn black levels all the way up is still deep and you get shall detail. For $500 that I spent on it you can't beat it.
This was an extremely useful and informative video!!! 🎉 thank you for doing this as these 3 TVs have been and should be on my short list!! Especially in the bigger sizes!! 🎉 however, thanks to you and B, I’ve come to realize that everything I want my mini led to do, can only be done in an OLED :/ 🎉
15:09 The blooming on the QM7 is quite obvious compared to the QM8 here. QM7 clearly has no active dimming inside the runner's triangle of limbs, oppositely the QM8 appears to reach nearly full black. Bravia is technically just as bad as the QM7 but they hide it by raising black levels in the area around the runner so the lack of contrast is less apparent.
Having had the QM7 for a week, I can confirm that in basically all real world viewing conditions, it is indistinguishably less bright much more expensive sets. HDR10+ content mastered at 4000 nits (which is really only test footage like in this video, basically) certainly looks better on some other TVs, but I just don't get the point of spending an extra $500-$2000 so that I can watch test videos 5% better 🤣
Just purchased the TCL Q6 85" to upgrade last year's 65" Q6 that I hung from the ceiling in the bedroom at the foot of the bed. Love them both,but was shocked at how immersive the 65 is 6 1/2" from my elevated pillow. Affordable immersion ! 😮 the stock speakers are now good enough for sports etc. as they are now elevated, firering downward. VAMOS TCL!
I think in a lot of cases I prefer the picture in the X90L but the blooming is off-putting. The blooming in the star field example I could live with since it’s less annoying to me when it’s full screen blooming, but blooming around subtitles is my main concern.
I’ve also never had a TV as glossy as the TCL so I’m not sure how reflective it will end up being in my room, although if I buy from somewhere with a good return policy that’s less of an issue.
We have had an OLED bravia VH22 as our main TV since January but love watching sports on that patio in the fall. We just picked up the 55in QM7 for $499 and I am really impressed. Just wow. I was looking for 120hz and Google TV.
15:29 It is quite clear here that the QM8 with the most dimming zones does a better job as with the ISO that high you can see the blooming around the runner with the Bravia 9. Watching this with my LG C3 42'' so it is very apparent that the QM8 is actually better with blooming control and that it is actually TCLs decision to sometimes appear a bit 'lifted' in order to provide a higher global brightness and highlights but NOT a processing or DTMapping limitation! With the ISO high i could repeatedly see this throughout the whole video. TCL wins and its NOT even calibrated!
TCL tech is really good but we are now getting to the point where excessive brightness needs to be controlled. And Sony does it really well and it is obvious.
@@usa4life71 It makes perfect sense to me. You always pay more for a better product. It's the same with everything else. But difference is in EUR only 1000 on 98" model right now... It's less on the smaller ones.
Hi. I am not familiar with TCL and their product coding... Is the QM7 essentially a previous year model and the QM8 the current year model? Or are they coded like German cars, both current year models, but one trim level higher than the other?
No, the QM7 is all new mini LED with more dimming zones and noticeably better than last year‘s Q7 but the new QM8 image, quality is very similar to last year with some improvement to processing and shadow accuracy
I'd love to see your comparison of the 85" Bravia 7 vs the 85" TCL QM851 and maybe also include the 83" LG G3 to compare what an extra $1200 would get you.
I am going to wait until after CES in January 2025 and see how the QM8 prices fall and if there is any new 2025 TVs to save up to get. I hear CES in January is the best time to buy a TV.
So fomo and us re-reviewing TVs that'll give us the best picture for the best price. We were looking back at the u8k results. What do you think it lands especially for the 100 in and 2024?
I really appreciate your videos as I do some of the other guys doing tv reviews. My only problem I have is that almost all use settings that can interfere with a side by side comparison. Examples are unequal settings where those settings show obvious color warmth differences that make a comparison moot. You do the same. Bunch of times I’m like hey you just set that to that or to something else that will obviously make it less equal to the other panel. Again I’m thankful for you videos I just don’t get why the use of settings.
1:16:00 That level of black crush on the QM8 is still pretty bad. Gaming is probably the best application to take advantage of the 4,000 nits of the QM8 but videogames will feature equally extreme dark images just as often. This is the one thing that really makes me hesitate to go buy the QM8 right now. I want the QM8 but I want it discounted more.
@@brianhallman5168 QM8 is only $300 more when it goes on sale. Which isn't saying the QM7 won't also go on sale, and yes the QM7 at a discount would be a mind boggling good deal, but so is the QM8. The QM8 is going to hold up against future TVs MUCH better. I wouldn't get the QM7 unless you plan on replacing it in the near future (e.g. maybe LG releases Tandem OLED). Otherwise the extra 15 hours of overtime it would take to upgrade to the QM8 is definitely worth it.
@@brianhallman5168 Here's my anecdote for why everyone should definitely pass on the QM7. Back in 2018 I bought the Samsung Q8FN, I got it for an amazing price but the FALD performance relative to the Q9FN just flat out sucks. While it's true I still would have bought the LG C1 for having 4K120 OLED regardless of what TV I bought three years before, I am still using the Q8FN today and I still regret not spending 50% more to get the Q9FN because the Q9FN was one of the best TVs ever made.
I like your comparisons. However, it would’ve been much better if you had Bravia 9 uncalibrated so that it matches the other two TVs which are not calibrated as well. Hisense equivalent would’ve been better as well without QM7.
I think something is wrong with my QM7. I don’t have the HDR options on mine that I see on yours. For instance, when I go into picture settings, it just says “Picture”instead of “HDR Image.” Under “Brightness Settings,” I don’t have a “Dynamic Tone Mapping” option. After “Black Stretch” there is a “Dynamic Brightness” option with a different description that what the Tone Mapping option showed on your example. And that’s just in the first five minutes of the video! 😂 I haven’t even watched to see what else is wrong. Any ideas on what could be happening? I checked and it said I have the latest update.
@@brealll9647 Thank you. This is consistent across all native apps and a Blu-ray player I connected. Is there some way to force HDR? Ah the perils of early adoption: there’s not much info on this TV. That or it’s just defective.
Technology gets dated so fast. Save yourself the $1000... you won't even notice the difference when all you have is the one TV in front of you. Get the QM7.
get something same size , may need to remove stair rails if have them. Only way is to get it vertical up the wall at the bottom, then lower out on an angle. Then you need to check width at bottom - can be on slight angle , plus ceiling height, if too low no chance, ceiling has to be higher than length as need to right it up from coming down stairs.. Imagine heavy and delicate ( especially as probably needs to be unboxed ) . My theory is based on moving double bed bases upstairs in apartments
So spend thousands of dollars more over the QM7 to get the Bravia 9 if you’re watching 4000 nit content. Got it. Thanks FOMO for covering the QM7 . Big lack of information on this TV, but has been my go to budget option, and seems to exceed even what I would expected.
@@stopthefomo I would totally get that if it wasn’t for the matte screen finish. Is the S90D a good alternative or maybe wait for next year’s S95E with a glossy finish? Thanks FOMO!
Qm7 is ridiculous for its pricing. Theyve really made an amazing tv in terms of orice to performance. Sonys pricing needs to come down. No one can say with a straight face its worth 2-3x the peice if the competition. Their entry level stuff isnt even competitive until this year where they funally went mini-led with the Bravia 3 and 7. Still the reflection handling is sooo bad on those 2. Unacceptably bad for the price.
I'll be the first to call this "D65 is dead!" The real comparison here is "Should you buy an uncalibrated $700 TV or a calibrated $3,000 TV?" and I think the answer will always be in favor of the uncalibrated TV as long as it doesn't make green fields look nuclear, red, or blue which no TV does today. It's actually shocking that it happens in a dead mode like Movie. If you added a Sony Bravia 9 in standard mode with color temp to Warm 1 and a few more color adjustments with all the bells and whistles on, it would beat the other 3 including the other Bravia 9 by 10 miles.
Dumbest comparison I've heard in a while. You're comparing a 600$ TV to a TV that's worth a couple grand. That's like saying my Ferrari is better than your Toyota camry
@techsamurai11 your name is literally techsamurai and you're arguing with a dude on his page who actually knows what he's talking about. If you're not knowledgeable about a subject it's best to keep quiet and listen.
1:10:28 Uhhh? You could literally have turned on brightness preferred and see if it made any difference? You said "I wish the Bravia 9 could incorporate it as an option". Well, so just turn it on lol. It is literally there as "an option". Also, you have Advanced contrast enhancer that also would increase the brightness a lot and still try to retain the blacks. I really don't get why you didn't try it? You were talking about it, why not experiment and see. It might cause more blooming on the B9, but brighter stars or maybe still as black but much brighter stars and hence making it an even bigger leap compared to the TCLs. Why not remove the speculation and just show it. Would it affect accuracy. Sure. But the point is to show a consumer "can you do it, what does it look like".
In my original testing of all these settings, the Bravia 9 will not allow you to raise specular highlights at the cost of raised shadow detail like the QM8 - but I acknowledge your point as I just assumed we all know Sony hard caps some of these metrics. Nevertheless as there’s been at least 1 firmware update since I last checked this, we’ll see if it’s possible
I have the QM7 coming next week. I'm impressed by it what I've seen here and other reviews. The QM8 IMO over brightens . But does accel in certain areas over the QM7 But I also feel The QM7 has certain areas where that QM8 isn't as good. I'm done with Hisense. Never again. But I'm seeing more and more top reviews on TCL reliability over Hisense. And in my experience. I would agree. I'm curious to see how that QM7 is vs my Sony X90L
Both TCLs lose detail due to their brightness is also problematic. Even the color itself is not correct and it is a shame to compare this TV with the Sony bravia 9, because the difference is clearly visible and the price of the TV itself speaks for itself. I have a TCL Miniled, but I will NEVER buy this brand again, and I would certainly rather pay 5 times more money for a high-end TV than TCL again.
I actually purchased an 85” C755 (Australian QM7 equivalent) the afternoon that this live stream was posted. While watching the comparisons I began to wonder if I should try to upgrade my purchase to the C855 (QM8). I had to tell myself “Stop the FOMO!” 😆😆 I’m happy with saving some money and I need the centre stand over the outer legs. I’m upgrading from a 50” plasma so it’s going to be great. 👍🏻 ❤️🇦🇺
The QM8 is the equivalent of the X955 in Europe. C855 comes 3rd in the lineup also below the c955. However the c855 gets brighter than the c955 which has more dimming zones. Strange choice by TCL
@@NoExceptionsGuy Thanx a lot! I´m always wondering which are the european equivalents. What I´m looking for too, is: the best to worse TV lineup of every brand. But sepparating OLED Lineup from LCD Lineup. What I also miss in most (all) reviews is: they don´t specify the different panels (IPS instead of VA for example) they use depending on the size. Some 65 inch TVs and upwards may have an VA panel, but the smaller sizes have an IPS or ADS, or the other way around. It is impossible to know if the other sizes are the same as in the reviewed size. I am looking for the QM851G here in Europe, and I don´t know if the QM8B is the american QM851G or if it is the worse QM850. BUt maybe it will cost too much. I love (had one) Sony TVs, they just process imagery so well, still are the most accurate ones. But budget is small right now. So I´m looking for TCL. Any suggestions for the next Black Friday? Will have no more than 500 european bugs.
You didn't switch the tv's out of sports and vivid mode when you went out of sports content. Need to reshoot the whole video! JK!! Great comparison vid FOMO!
The 75" QM8 also has 42% more dimming zones than the 65" QM8 (65" 2880 zones vs 75" 4096 zones) so even within the same model you're going to see a big upgrade getting just one size up. Of course the 75" is also much more expensive, but given that the 65" QM8 is already in a league of its own that makes the 75" model QM8 the true peak of its class. (Sadly I've never seen specs for the 85"/98" models, but even in a best case scenario IF the 85" QM8 has 5,000 zones that's still not enough of an increase to make it worth the price they charge for 85".)
It's 2300 so the 85" is a big disappointment, same with the QM7 which is only 1500. I can't imagine why when they have so much more for smaller screens.
@@fwiler Different panel sizes probably have different assembly processes. Yes it's totally insane that the 85" doesn't jump straight to 5,000 zones. The TV market is so weird. So this SHOULD mean the 98" is the only version of the QM8 with 5,000 zones and the 85" just shouldn't exist at all. Nonetheless at 2.6X the price of 75" the 98" is still a pretty bad value. The 65" and 75" are really the only size of QM8 any normal human being should ever consider.
People who have no idea what they are talking about just shouldn't post comments. Excessive brightness doesn't mean a better tv. And the qm8 is almost double the price.
He's only showing demo content. For movies, the processing of the Sony is incredible out of box. You just plug it in and set it to professional mode and enjoy. I returned my LG G4 and kept the B9. It's even better than the Sony Z9D I paid almost 10 grand for in 2017. $4,800 starts to look like a bargain.
$3000 for Bravia 9. In Australia it is $7000. In America your electronics are so cheap. A few years ago I bought a gaming laptop for $2600 then after I learned they sold in America for just under $1000
@stopthefomo I’m planning to buy the Hisense U8N in 75. For Streaming, Sport, TH-cam content and regular gaming in a Bright room with lights control. My question to you, should I get it Calibrate it? or do you Think the white Balance out of the box will be not so bad that by myself I could get into my like. Greetings from Germany🇩🇪🙋🏻♂️
I don’t own any of these TVs, I have a Samsung QN85D, so I have no skin in the game, but I need to call something out. FOMO, it feels like you’re bending over backward to give Sony the edge. That’s not lining up with what I’m seeing. For instance, in the stormy sky clip, you point out the details on the bottom left of the screen that are less noticeable on the QM8 and QM7, but you fail to mention that the cloud body on the QM8 has way more detail and depth. It’s like you cherry-picked this tiny portion while ignoring the majority of the picture. And during the starfield content, the QM8 clearly showed about double the stars compared to the Sony in some scenes. You didn’t even touch on that but for one quick comment. Over and over again, the QM8 showed more depth, contrast and detail, which anyone watching objectively would notice, but you never acknowledged it once. Honestly, the QM8 was the clear winner here, but I think your connection with Sony is keeping you from being fair in your reviews. You want to keep getting those invites to TV shootouts, free samples, etc. As a matter of fact I bet you will even delete this comment.
Yeah he was focusing on off angle when he compared the Bracia9 vs Qm8 weeks ago. I'm like who really cares about viewing angles as the main comparison on miniled tvs. He was like scared to highlight a direct head on comparison. Even said the bravia 9 was worth two times the price.
@@brealll9647 All of these larger TH-cam reviewers have huge incentives to treat Sony very kindly. If they were to come out with a bad review or be overly critical of a Sony TV it would cost them dearly.
@@redi6460 And Sony’s blacks were massively crushed at times-was that ever brought up? The point is, he's only calling out the negatives on the TCLs while conveniently ignoring the flaws with the Sony. Whenever the QM851 clearly outshined the Sony (which was often), he just ignored it. None of these reviewers will rock the boat when it comes to Sony products. You can dig through their entire history and you won't find a single negative or even critical review of a Sony TV. The X90L suffers from massive blooming, the worst in its class, and has only 88 local dimming zones, which is shockingly bad for a 2023 mid-range TV. Its color gamut coverage is average at best, and its contrast ratio is poor. Spec-wise, it’s one of the worst TVs in its class, yet every reviewer praised it like it was some kind of masterpiece. If you trust these guys, you’re a fool. I trusted them, bought the X90L, and that’s when everything clicked-seeing firsthand just how bad it actually was.
Ridiculous!!!! Color Accuracy is a SONY Standard!!!! Created by SONY and Calculated by SONY it is a Rigged Test and Always has been!!!! Color Accuracy is a Propaganda Marketing tool that has NO Real Application for 99.9% of Actual Consumers, because Consumers are Not judging a TV by Mythical Color Accuracy Standards. Consumers adjust their TVS to their own Preferences. No one needs to pay for Calibration on Any of these TVS. Talking about paid Calibration is Fear Mongering Propaganda!!!! It is NOT Difficult to Adjust a Modern TV to Get a TV Picture that the Buyer likes. It is a Lie that the 2024 QM8 cannot hold its Picture Settings!!!! I hope TCL Takes you to Court for Defamation / Slander!!!! Your Side by Side Comparison Videos are Pure Propaganda! All TVS need to be Isolated from Light. These TVS are Casting Light on Each other. Not to mention the Lights you use to Film with!!!! When you do these Videos you are going off a Predetermined Script. People who think they can watch a Video of a TV Screen and see the Actual Quality of that TV Screen are Delusional!!!! The Hisense TV Models are Well behind TCL and Sony and it is Obvious to People who see them in person. For the People who buy them. The Hisense TV has 3,000 Nits Peak Brightness, SONY has 4,000, and TCL has 5,000. Numerous Professional Reviewers have agreed with these Numbers given from the Manufacturers. TCL actually has been tested well above 5,000 Nits Peak Brightness. The Truth is No TV looks Good if you Don't control the Lighting in your Room. Windows need to have Curtains over them. Lights should never be in a position to reflect off your TV. All of these TVS are High Quality. The Best Overall TV is the TCL QM8 it is Significantly Brighter with more Vivid Colors than the other 2, being 40% Brighter than the Hisense U8N. No TV on the Market has Better SDR / HDR than the 2024 TCL QM8. RTINGS actually said this in their Review of the 2024 QM8. RTINGS Completely Refutes this Video. They said the QM8 was very Color Accurate out of the box and after Calibration it was almost Perfect in Color Accuracy. RTINGS would have said that the QM8 was hard to Calibrate if that was True. It would have said that the QM8 did not keep its calibration settings if that was True!!!! The SONY BRAVIA 9 is more than twice as expensive as the TCL QM8 and it is NOT A BETTER TV!!!!
@@klaymatic3751 I don't understand your comment. My comment is 100% true. RTINGS Review of the 2024 QM8 Completely Destroys this Video it Refutes the Negative things he said.
@@whitecrowuk575 Nothing I have said is BS!!!! I gave the Highest Peak Brightness for each TV tested that I mentioned! Also, TCL says all the 2024 QM8 TVS have 5,000 Nits Peak Brightness. RTINGS says the same thing on their website and in their TH-cam Review. There are Dozens of the 2024 CES TCL Presentation with A TCL Representative on Video saying that Every QM8 Screen Size has 5,000 plus dimming zones and 5,000 Nits Peak Brightness. Get your Facts Straight before you Attack people in the Comments!!!!
I think something is wrong with my QM7. I don’t have the HDR options on mine that I see on yours. For instance, when I go into picture settings, it just says “Picture”instead of “HDR Image.” Under “Brightness Settings,” I don’t have a “Dynamic Tone Mapping” option. After “Black Stretch” there is a “Dynamic Brightness” option with a different description that what the Tone Mapping option showed on your example. And that’s just in the first five minutes of the video! 😂 I haven’t even watched to see what else is wrong. Any ideas on what could be happening? I checked and it said I have the latest update.
@@onewaykennels9294 then I guess the question is why is the TV not receiving HDR signal? Other examples I’ve seen have it displayed at all times, but I’ve never seen it.
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98” qm8 2024 PRICE just dropped again!!!!! $3000 OFF on sales for $3000!!!! 50% off wow 🤩!!!!
I'm shocked at how nice the QM7 looks. It was just slightly worse than the 9 in a handful of scenes. What an amazing value.
No doubt! We shouldn’t even be talking about the QM7 hanging with the TV that cost more than three times the amount.
I have the QM7, and it's a nice tv period.
@jasonkidd1689 well it's all about taste at the end of the day some like the taste of poop
Just bought QM7 85-INCH, and it's amazing
@@GTA_DISCIPLEAny settings you recommend
After watching this, boy the Qm7 is such a game changer! At this economy...
41:38 Yes the black levels are there in the QM7 but the QM8 is way brighter while maintaining excellent black level, that's the kind of thing you only expect from OLED.
Excessive brightness isn't a good thing. You're also comparing a TV that's 500 difference. It's not worth the price difference. The qm7 is the overall better tv
@@brianhallman5168you clearly know nothing about tvs if that's your take
@enzopied3015 I know more than you do that's for sure. If you dont think excessive brightness is a bad thing and ruins picture quality you are the clueless one. Just cause you like your own comment doesn't make you look less foolish.
@@enzopied3015 I own an LG 65 oled TV. It is very bright and that can be annoying to be honest. I think depends of your set up. My living room is pretty dark and feels like looking at the sun 😂
Black levels get real deep for the QM7 to the point where even if you turn black levels all the way up is still deep and you get shall detail. For $500 that I spent on it you can't beat it.
This was an extremely useful and informative video!!! 🎉 thank you for doing this as these 3 TVs have been and should be on my short list!! Especially in the bigger sizes!! 🎉 however, thanks to you and B, I’ve come to realize that everything I want my mini led to do, can only be done in an OLED :/ 🎉
15:09 The blooming on the QM7 is quite obvious compared to the QM8 here.
QM7 clearly has no active dimming inside the runner's triangle of limbs, oppositely the QM8 appears to reach nearly full black.
Bravia is technically just as bad as the QM7 but they hide it by raising black levels in the area around the runner so the lack of contrast is less apparent.
He intentionally hyper exposed it and said you won’t experience this in real world. People won’t experience this streaming or watching blu ray disks
Strong case for the QM7 in normal to 1500 nit viewing conditions . Contrast and black levels at 25:30 needs adjustment for the QM7 ?
Having had the QM7 for a week, I can confirm that in basically all real world viewing conditions, it is indistinguishably less bright much more expensive sets. HDR10+ content mastered at 4000 nits (which is really only test footage like in this video, basically) certainly looks better on some other TVs, but I just don't get the point of spending an extra $500-$2000 so that I can watch test videos 5% better 🤣
Great choice I'm deciding on a QM7 or U7N myself @paulfoeller4780
@@paulfoeller4780there is more too it than that. Overall the picture is better on the QM8, even in normal viewing conditions.
@@gilbertleo8232QM8 is best. But of those two, I prefer TCL.
The QM8 straight up destroyed the B9 in colors and space scenes
Just purchased the TCL Q6 85" to upgrade last year's 65" Q6 that I hung from the ceiling in the bedroom at the foot of the bed. Love them both,but was shocked at how immersive the 65 is 6 1/2" from my elevated pillow. Affordable immersion ! 😮 the stock speakers are now good enough for sports etc. as they are now elevated, firering downward. VAMOS TCL!
How much did you spend for the q6 85"?
$1198 3 weeks ago. Then the Qm7 was 2K! Now the Q6 is 899! Ouch!
@471Gaston if you just purchased it depending on where you got it. Less than 30 days you can return it for the sale price
It would be cool to see a comparison like QM8, U8N, X90L, Bravia 7.
I think in a lot of cases I prefer the picture in the X90L but the blooming is off-putting.
The blooming in the star field example I could live with since it’s less annoying to me when it’s full screen blooming, but blooming around subtitles is my main concern.
I’ve also never had a TV as glossy as the TCL so I’m not sure how reflective it will end up being in my room, although if I buy from somewhere with a good return policy that’s less of an issue.
We have had an OLED bravia VH22 as our main TV since January but love watching sports on that patio in the fall. We just picked up the 55in QM7 for $499 and I am really impressed. Just wow. I was looking for 120hz and Google TV.
How would the x90l compare to these units?
15:29 It is quite clear here that the QM8 with the most dimming zones does a better job as with the ISO that high you can see the blooming around the runner with the Bravia 9. Watching this with my LG C3 42'' so it is very apparent that the QM8 is actually better with blooming control and that it is actually TCLs decision to sometimes appear a bit 'lifted' in order to provide a higher global brightness and highlights but NOT a processing or DTMapping limitation! With the ISO high i could repeatedly see this throughout the whole video. TCL wins and its NOT even calibrated!
TCL tech is really good but we are now getting to the point where excessive brightness needs to be controlled. And Sony does it really well and it is obvious.
You also paying way way more than the QM8 even.
@@usa4life71 It makes perfect sense to me. You always pay more for a better product. It's the same with everything else. But difference is in EUR only 1000 on 98" model right now... It's less on the smaller ones.
I love the QM7. Bought it for $499 at Best Buy
Thanks!
FOMO always informative and entertaining!
Hi. I am not familiar with TCL and their product coding... Is the QM7 essentially a previous year model and the QM8 the current year model? Or are they coded like German cars, both current year models, but one trim level higher than the other?
No, the QM7 is all new mini LED with more dimming zones and noticeably better than last year‘s Q7 but the new QM8 image, quality is very similar to last year with some improvement to processing and shadow accuracy
@@stopthefomo Thank you! Appreciate the clarification.
@@hakunamatata6464 qm8 also has two more speakers than qm7
We need a review between the QM7 and the U7N and I wanna know which one’s better between the two for everyday app use and gaming ??
Qm7 hands down
QM7 for sure. You would have to go too U8N to even really compete
@JGisMe2013 but then the QM8 > U8N. TCL just did a better job overall this year. And, TCL seems more reliable.
@@usa4life71 what bout the qm7 vs Bravia 7 ??
I'd love to see your comparison of the 85" Bravia 7 vs the 85" TCL QM851 and maybe also include the 83" LG G3 to compare what an extra $1200 would get you.
😂 I'm replacing a 2008 55inch Samsung from 2008. I guess the QM7 will do for living room TV.
Just curious, do people switch modes to watch sports at we see at 1:22:28? I've never done that once.
I just picked up the 85” QM7 from Best Buy 1,500.00 and really happy with it
Me also. Has more dimming zones than smaller sets. Love it at that price point. Calibrated from Rratings settings
same. being delivered thursday
I am going to wait until after CES in January 2025 and see how the QM8 prices fall and if there is any new 2025 TVs to save up to get. I hear CES in January is the best time to buy a TV.
Is TCL going OLED ever ???
QM7 is very worthy😊
Leaning towards QM7 but what about long term reliability? My wife thinks the Panasonic W95A would last longer. We only upgrade every 10 years or so
So fomo and us re-reviewing TVs that'll give us the best picture for the best price. We were looking back at the u8k results. What do you think it lands especially for the 100 in and 2024?
I really appreciate your videos as I do some of the other guys doing tv reviews.
My only problem I have is that almost all use settings that can interfere with a side by side comparison.
Examples are unequal settings where those settings show obvious color warmth differences that make a comparison moot.
You do the same. Bunch of times I’m like hey you just set that to that or to something else that will obviously make it less equal to the other panel.
Again I’m thankful for you videos I just don’t get why the use of settings.
Hi, is the TCL QM7 / QM8 and the TCL C755 / C855 the same model??
TCL QM7 is the TCL C765 in europe
1:16:00 That level of black crush on the QM8 is still pretty bad.
Gaming is probably the best application to take advantage of the 4,000 nits of the QM8 but videogames will feature equally extreme dark images just as often.
This is the one thing that really makes me hesitate to go buy the QM8 right now. I want the QM8 but I want it discounted more.
Can't beat the qm7 for the price right now.
@@brianhallman5168 QM8 is only $300 more when it goes on sale.
Which isn't saying the QM7 won't also go on sale, and yes the QM7 at a discount would be a mind boggling good deal, but so is the QM8.
The QM8 is going to hold up against future TVs MUCH better. I wouldn't get the QM7 unless you plan on replacing it in the near future (e.g. maybe LG releases Tandem OLED).
Otherwise the extra 15 hours of overtime it would take to upgrade to the QM8 is definitely worth it.
@@brianhallman5168 Here's my anecdote for why everyone should definitely pass on the QM7.
Back in 2018 I bought the Samsung Q8FN, I got it for an amazing price but the FALD performance relative to the Q9FN just flat out sucks.
While it's true I still would have bought the LG C1 for having 4K120 OLED regardless of what TV I bought three years before, I am still using the Q8FN today and I still regret not spending 50% more to get the Q9FN because the Q9FN was one of the best TVs ever made.
I like your comparisons. However, it would’ve been much better if you had Bravia 9 uncalibrated so that it matches the other two TVs which are not calibrated as well. Hisense equivalent would’ve been better as well without QM7.
I think the calibrated tv is good comparison. It helps to see how close each TV gets to ultimate accuracy.
at 98" is it worth the 1,000$ to get the newer model? Or do I go Hiscience ?
Qm7 is like tcl c805 or tcl c755 in other markets?
I think something is wrong with my QM7. I don’t have the HDR options on mine that I see on yours. For instance, when I go into picture settings, it just says “Picture”instead of “HDR Image.” Under “Brightness Settings,” I don’t have a “Dynamic Tone Mapping” option. After “Black Stretch” there is a “Dynamic Brightness” option with a different description that what the Tone Mapping option showed on your example. And that’s just in the first five minutes of the video! 😂 I haven’t even watched to see what else is wrong. Any ideas on what could be happening? I checked and it said I have the latest update.
Sounds like you are not getting an hdr picture. Seems like you are getting only SDR signal. Check your inputs settings on your TV.
@@brealll9647 Thank you. This is consistent across all native apps and a Blu-ray player I connected. Is there some way to force HDR? Ah the perils of early adoption: there’s not much info on this TV. That or it’s just defective.
@@ericroberts7380 you mean a way to switch between inputs? If so, yes I can do that.
Fomo which one you will chose between s95c and Bravia 9.
Hope you can answer this question, 98 inch QM7 vs 98 inch QM8 $1000 difference, ($2k vs $3k) which s the better pick. thanks
Technology gets dated so fast. Save yourself the $1000... you won't even notice the difference when all you have is the one TV in front of you. Get the QM7.
Anyone every move a 98" tv into a basement - down stairs that have a 90 degree corner with walls - can it be done?
get something same size , may need to remove stair rails if have them. Only way is to get it vertical up the wall at the bottom, then lower out on an angle. Then you need to check width at bottom - can be on slight angle , plus ceiling height, if too low no chance, ceiling has to be higher than length as need to right it up from coming down stairs.. Imagine heavy and delicate ( especially as probably needs to be unboxed ) . My theory is based on moving double bed bases upstairs in apartments
How well does the QM7 compare with Hisense U7N?
Qm7 better imho.
@@usa4life71 I bought the TCL C755 which is closer to QM7 i guess.
So spend thousands of dollars more over the QM7 to get the Bravia 9 if you’re watching 4000 nit content. Got it.
Thanks FOMO for covering the QM7 . Big lack of information on this TV, but has been my go to budget option, and seems to exceed even what I would expected.
Is the Sony Bravia 9 $2,000 better than the QM851G? Thanks
No. I'd get the S95D for that premium
@@stopthefomo I would totally get that if it wasn’t for the matte screen finish. Is the S90D a good alternative or maybe wait for next year’s S95E with a glossy finish? Thanks FOMO!
@@lpromer4796 Yes, it is $2000 better than the QM851G. It's also better than S90D/S95D.
Don't even think about it bro get the Samsung S90D is the best Tv of 2024 @@lpromer4796
Qm7 is ridiculous for its pricing. Theyve really made an amazing tv in terms of orice to performance.
Sonys pricing needs to come down. No one can say with a straight face its worth 2-3x the peice if the competition.
Their entry level stuff isnt even competitive until this year where they funally went mini-led with the Bravia 3 and 7.
Still the reflection handling is sooo bad on those 2. Unacceptably bad for the price.
I'll be the first to call this "D65 is dead!"
The real comparison here is "Should you buy an uncalibrated $700 TV or a calibrated $3,000 TV?" and I think the answer will always be in favor of the uncalibrated TV as long as it doesn't make green fields look nuclear, red, or blue which no TV does today.
It's actually shocking that it happens in a dead mode like Movie.
If you added a Sony Bravia 9 in standard mode with color temp to Warm 1 and a few more color adjustments with all the bells and whistles on, it would beat the other 3 including the other Bravia 9 by 10 miles.
Dumbest comparison I've heard in a while. You're comparing a 600$ TV to a TV that's worth a couple grand. That's like saying my Ferrari is better than your Toyota camry
@@brianhallman5168 Well, if your Ferrari was calibrated, then the Miata (a fairer comparison) might smoke it 🙂
@@techsamurai11 so you know nothing about tvs or cars... gotcha 👌
@@brianhallman5168 apparently not, not all of us can be Lewis Hamilton-Teoh like you.
@techsamurai11 your name is literally techsamurai and you're arguing with a dude on his page who actually knows what he's talking about. If you're not knowledgeable about a subject it's best to keep quiet and listen.
1:10:28 Uhhh? You could literally have turned on brightness preferred and see if it made any difference? You said "I wish the Bravia 9 could incorporate it as an option". Well, so just turn it on lol. It is literally there as "an option".
Also, you have Advanced contrast enhancer that also would increase the brightness a lot and still try to retain the blacks.
I really don't get why you didn't try it? You were talking about it, why not experiment and see. It might cause more blooming on the B9, but brighter stars or maybe still as black but much brighter stars and hence making it an even bigger leap compared to the TCLs. Why not remove the speculation and just show it. Would it affect accuracy. Sure. But the point is to show a consumer "can you do it, what does it look like".
In my original testing of all these settings, the Bravia 9 will not allow you to raise specular highlights at the cost of raised shadow detail like the QM8 - but I acknowledge your point as I just assumed we all know Sony hard caps some of these metrics. Nevertheless as there’s been at least 1 firmware update since I last checked this, we’ll see if it’s possible
What is the equivalent model for the TCL QM7 and QM8 in the UK; we only have C models here.
80% Live sports, news, documentaries….20% streaming movies.…get 75” Bravia 7, QM8, or U8M?
Someone can tal me why Sony Look DiMare in most of the mood you need to up the level of brightness change the mood,🤔🙈
Excelent video,
I have the QM7 coming next week.
I'm impressed by it what I've seen here and other reviews.
The QM8 IMO over brightens . But does accel in certain areas over the QM7
But I also feel The QM7 has certain areas where that QM8 isn't as good.
I'm done with Hisense. Never again. But I'm seeing more and more top reviews on TCL reliability over Hisense. And in my experience. I would agree.
I'm curious to see how that QM7 is vs my Sony X90L
Hi, how is the X90L for movie and show streaming? Do you think it can compete with any of the TCL mini LEDs?
Depends a lot on your viewing angles.
@@Alex335i if I’m seating right in front most of the time?
@lpromer4796 the X90L kicked the shit out of the U8K Hisense. So yeah I'm very curious on the QM7
@@lpromer4796 then Sony will have a nicer picture, it also has XR Clear
Both TCLs lose detail due to their brightness is also problematic. Even the color itself is not correct and it is a shame to compare this TV with the Sony bravia 9, because the difference is clearly visible and the price of the TV itself speaks for itself. I have a TCL Miniled, but I will NEVER buy this brand again, and I would certainly rather pay 5 times more money for a high-end TV than TCL again.
I actually purchased an 85” C755 (Australian QM7 equivalent) the afternoon that this live stream was posted. While watching the comparisons I began to wonder if I should try to upgrade my purchase to the C855 (QM8). I had to tell myself “Stop the FOMO!” 😆😆 I’m happy with saving some money and I need the centre stand over the outer legs. I’m upgrading from a 50” plasma so it’s going to be great. 👍🏻 ❤️🇦🇺
The QM8 is the equivalent of the X955 in Europe. C855 comes 3rd in the lineup also below the c955. However the c855 gets brighter than the c955 which has more dimming zones. Strange choice by TCL
@@NoExceptionsGuy Thanx a lot! I´m always wondering which are the european equivalents.
What I´m looking for too, is: the best to worse TV lineup of every brand. But sepparating OLED Lineup from LCD Lineup.
What I also miss in most (all) reviews is: they don´t specify the different panels (IPS instead of VA for example) they use depending on the size.
Some 65 inch TVs and upwards may have an VA panel, but the smaller sizes have an IPS or ADS, or the other way around. It is impossible to know if the other sizes are the same as in the reviewed size.
I am looking for the QM851G here in Europe, and I don´t know if the QM8B is the american QM851G or if it is the worse QM850. BUt maybe it will cost too much.
I love (had one) Sony TVs, they just process imagery so well, still are the most accurate ones. But budget is small right now. So I´m looking for TCL. Any suggestions for the next Black Friday? Will have no more than 500 european bugs.
You didn't switch the tv's out of sports and vivid mode when you went out of sports content. Need to reshoot the whole video! JK!! Great comparison vid FOMO!
DOH!!
The 75" QM8 also has 42% more dimming zones than the 65" QM8 (65" 2880 zones vs 75" 4096 zones) so even within the same model you're going to see a big upgrade getting just one size up.
Of course the 75" is also much more expensive, but given that the 65" QM8 is already in a league of its own that makes the 75" model QM8 the true peak of its class.
(Sadly I've never seen specs for the 85"/98" models, but even in a best case scenario IF the 85" QM8 has 5,000 zones that's still not enough of an increase to make it worth the price they charge for 85".)
Its 2k😅
It's 2300 so the 85" is a big disappointment, same with the QM7 which is only 1500. I can't imagine why when they have so much more for smaller screens.
@@fwiler Different panel sizes probably have different assembly processes.
Yes it's totally insane that the 85" doesn't jump straight to 5,000 zones.
The TV market is so weird.
So this SHOULD mean the 98" is the only version of the QM8 with 5,000 zones and the 85" just shouldn't exist at all.
Nonetheless at 2.6X the price of 75" the 98" is still a pretty bad value.
The 65" and 75" are really the only size of QM8 any normal human being should ever consider.
When the QM8 is only a few hundred dollars more but has twice as many dimming zones and gets three times as bright, the QM7 looks like a bad deal.
How much content that more than like 5% of people actually watch takes advantage of a brightness level higher than the QM7?
Use a qm7 and then see if you need more brightness. The qm7 is so freaking bright. I don't need anymore brightness.
People who have no idea what they are talking about just shouldn't post comments. Excessive brightness doesn't mean a better tv. And the qm8 is almost double the price.
@@paulfoeller4780 Every modern videogame.
@@brianhallman5168 The QM8 has already been on sale for $1,000 at BestBuy this summer.
Wow the Bravia 9 is not worth the money
He's only showing demo content. For movies, the processing of the Sony is incredible out of box. You just plug it in and set it to professional mode and enjoy. I returned my LG G4 and kept the B9. It's even better than the Sony Z9D I paid almost 10 grand for in 2017. $4,800 starts to look like a bargain.
$3000 for Bravia 9. In Australia it is $7000. In America your electronics are so cheap.
A few years ago I bought a gaming laptop for $2600 then after I learned they sold in America for just under $1000
Sony are so not competitive with the price performance ratio
@stopthefomo I’m planning to buy the Hisense U8N in 75. For Streaming, Sport, TH-cam content and regular gaming in a Bright room with lights control.
My question to you, should I get it Calibrate it? or do you Think the white Balance out of the box will be not so bad that by myself I could get into my like.
Greetings from Germany🇩🇪🙋🏻♂️
I don’t own any of these TVs, I have a Samsung QN85D, so I have no skin in the game, but I need to call something out. FOMO, it feels like you’re bending over backward to give Sony the edge. That’s not lining up with what I’m seeing.
For instance, in the stormy sky clip, you point out the details on the bottom left of the screen that are less noticeable on the QM8 and QM7, but you fail to mention that the cloud body on the QM8 has way more detail and depth. It’s like you cherry-picked this tiny portion while ignoring the majority of the picture.
And during the starfield content, the QM8 clearly showed about double the stars compared to the Sony in some scenes. You didn’t even touch on that but for one quick comment. Over and over again, the QM8 showed more depth, contrast and detail, which anyone watching objectively would notice, but you never acknowledged it once. Honestly, the QM8 was the clear winner here, but I think your connection with Sony is keeping you from being fair in your reviews. You want to keep getting those invites to TV shootouts, free samples, etc. As a matter of fact I bet you will even delete this comment.
Yeah he was focusing on off angle when he compared the Bracia9 vs Qm8 weeks ago. I'm like who really cares about viewing angles as the main comparison on miniled tvs. He was like scared to highlight a direct head on comparison. Even said the bravia 9 was worth two times the price.
@@brealll9647 All of these larger TH-cam reviewers have huge incentives to treat Sony very kindly. If they were to come out with a bad review or be overly critical of a Sony TV it would cost them dearly.
Great Analysis 💪👍🎯💯
During starfield content, tcl had more blooming.
@@redi6460 And Sony’s blacks were massively crushed at times-was that ever brought up? The point is, he's only calling out the negatives on the TCLs while conveniently ignoring the flaws with the Sony. Whenever the QM851 clearly outshined the Sony (which was often), he just ignored it. None of these reviewers will rock the boat when it comes to Sony products. You can dig through their entire history and you won't find a single negative or even critical review of a Sony TV. The X90L suffers from massive blooming, the worst in its class, and has only 88 local dimming zones, which is shockingly bad for a 2023 mid-range TV. Its color gamut coverage is average at best, and its contrast ratio is poor. Spec-wise, it’s one of the worst TVs in its class, yet every reviewer praised it like it was some kind of masterpiece. If you trust these guys, you’re a fool. I trusted them, bought the X90L, and that’s when everything clicked-seeing firsthand just how bad it actually was.
SONY Bravia 9 dla purystów , TCL dla ludzi liczących pieniądze - cena /jakość ! QM8 porównywalny do Bravia 9 - więc po co przepłacać !
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Qm 7 really shows what a 500 dollar tv looks like complete trash unbalanced and unnecessary brightness
Touch grass.
Ridiculous!!!! Color Accuracy is a SONY Standard!!!! Created by SONY and Calculated by SONY it is a Rigged Test and Always has been!!!!
Color Accuracy is a Propaganda Marketing tool that has NO Real Application for 99.9% of Actual
Consumers, because Consumers are Not judging a TV by Mythical Color Accuracy Standards.
Consumers adjust their TVS to their own Preferences. No one needs to pay for Calibration on Any of these TVS. Talking about paid Calibration is Fear Mongering Propaganda!!!!
It is NOT Difficult to Adjust a Modern TV to Get a TV Picture that the Buyer likes.
It is a Lie that the 2024 QM8 cannot hold its Picture Settings!!!! I hope TCL Takes you to Court for Defamation / Slander!!!!
Your Side by Side Comparison Videos are Pure Propaganda! All TVS need to be Isolated from Light. These TVS are Casting Light on Each other. Not to mention the Lights you use to Film with!!!!
When you do these Videos you are going off a Predetermined Script.
People who think they can watch a Video of a TV Screen and see the Actual Quality of that TV Screen are Delusional!!!!
The Hisense TV Models are Well behind TCL and Sony and it is Obvious to People who see them in person. For the People who buy them.
The Hisense TV has 3,000 Nits Peak Brightness, SONY has 4,000, and TCL has 5,000.
Numerous Professional Reviewers have agreed with these Numbers given from the Manufacturers. TCL actually has been tested well above 5,000 Nits Peak Brightness.
The Truth is No TV looks Good if you Don't control the Lighting in your Room. Windows need to have Curtains over them. Lights should never be in a position to reflect off your TV.
All of these TVS are High Quality.
The Best Overall TV is the TCL QM8 it is Significantly Brighter with more Vivid Colors than the other 2, being 40% Brighter than the Hisense U8N.
No TV on the Market has Better SDR / HDR than the 2024 TCL QM8. RTINGS actually said this in their Review of the 2024 QM8. RTINGS Completely Refutes this Video. They said the QM8 was very Color Accurate out of the box and after Calibration it was almost Perfect in Color Accuracy.
RTINGS would have said that the QM8 was hard to Calibrate if that was True. It would have said that the QM8 did not keep its calibration settings if that was True!!!!
The SONY BRAVIA 9 is more than twice as expensive as the TCL QM8 and it is NOT A BETTER TV!!!!
It's a TV. Have fun with the reviews and enjoy what you have.
@@klaymatic3751
I don't understand your comment. My comment is 100% true.
RTINGS Review of the 2024 QM8 Completely Destroys this Video it Refutes the Negative things he said.
Bs. To start with tcl brightness depends on size. Only biggest one hits 5k nits
Your comment is 100% insanity. You need to research CIE 1931 and the Standard Observer. Color science in general. Sony didn’t make it up. 🤣🤣🤣
@@whitecrowuk575
Nothing I have said is BS!!!! I gave the Highest Peak Brightness for each TV tested that I mentioned! Also, TCL says all the 2024 QM8 TVS have 5,000 Nits Peak Brightness. RTINGS says the same thing on their website and in their TH-cam Review.
There are Dozens of the 2024 CES TCL Presentation with A TCL Representative on Video saying that Every QM8 Screen Size has 5,000 plus dimming zones and 5,000 Nits Peak Brightness.
Get your Facts Straight before you Attack people in the Comments!!!!
As usual.....difficult to watch, not a decent comparison and boring.
I think something is wrong with my QM7. I don’t have the HDR options on mine that I see on yours. For instance, when I go into picture settings, it just says “Picture”instead of “HDR Image.” Under “Brightness Settings,” I don’t have a “Dynamic Tone Mapping” option. After “Black Stretch” there is a “Dynamic Brightness” option with a different description that what the Tone Mapping option showed on your example. And that’s just in the first five minutes of the video! 😂 I haven’t even watched to see what else is wrong. Any ideas on what could be happening? I checked and it said I have the latest update.
HDR Image will appear on its own once the TV receives HDR signal
@@onewaykennels9294 then I guess the question is why is the TV not receiving HDR signal? Other examples I’ve seen have it displayed at all times, but I’ve never seen it.