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This review looks like man after McDonald's decided to go to the french restaurant, and after sophisticated dinner he was disappointed :-)
Focal has a pedigree for professional audio. This means they make neutral sounding audio products that prioritise accuracy over excitement.
Accurate headphones don't sound exciting, and frankly for what you're doing I'm not surprised the Bose sound better to most people.
If you go from the Bose to the Focals I'm expecting them to sound relatively dull because your ears are used to pushed treble and bass. The issue with headphones of that class is they lack a lot of mid frequency details and there are many things you simply don't hear with consumer grade headphones.
I have the Neumann NDH30 and when I switch between those and my Sony XM4 I absolutely detest the Sony's for how overly bassy they are. I hear a lot more stuff with my Neumann's and that's what you're paying for.
Yeah when you try the Bathys for the first time, the bass and treble may not seems as emphasized but that’s because they prefer quality over quantity. You may be wanting quality but if you turn up consumer headphones to the max volume, the amount of distortion will be very high whereas on the Bathys, the distortion will be much lower. Most consumer headphones honestly have to emphasize the bass and treble areas just because of how bad their drivers are IMO. They have to cover up their poor bass and treble extension by adding high quantities. This is why if you tune the bass on say a Sony down to the same decibels as a Focal Bathys, you will notice how much better the Bathys bass sounds.
It’s because you are comparing something that’s supposed to be neutral with something that has an exciting sound, like comparing a flat raw photo with a processed hdr photo.
appreciate the photo analogy
Is this really the case?
the photo analogy is very illustrating, it's like comparing an HD life like photo with a pixelated, saturated processed one, and then saying the saturated one has "better quality". you like what you like, just don't jump into conclusions.
If bass is too strong the sound ruins treble and vice versa.
We should be able to listen to each sound.
I think it resonates silhouette and over exposed images, which are not everybody’s cup of tea.
Each Speaker also has Dynamic range (from the lowest to highest frequency you can hear without distortion) which is somewhat relates to the imaging (darkest to the brightest colour) , which is also limited by human eyes and ears. As we age our listening also decreases in higher frequencies.
I recommend a TH-cam channel called abyss headphones hosted by abyss headphones (a high end headphone manufacturer - multi thousand dollar headphones )
The guys debates the technical aspect of audio.
It is still less ejoyable. And it does not matter what these headphones are trying to achieve it is just worse. To the listeners. I've not tried them.
watch the older headphone comparison video here: th-cam.com/video/UjUuHa6i6g4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=pDI1a0cW18vE3nUX
Try the Bathys with USB DAC mode ..u will be amazed what these do. Love my Focal Bathys
It's pretty obvious why you prefer Bose even though it sounds worse to my ears. If you look at the frequency response of Bose, the entire portion from ~1500Hz to 7000Hz is boosted. What that means is, sounds that make the music sound "sharper", or "crunchy" and makes instruments more "present". Furthermore, there is a huge spike in the region just about 10kHz, this is the region that makes music sound airy and shimmery.
Basically, you prefer headphone with a very bright sound signature. Focal Bathys is actually a warm-sounding headphone that is far, far better at keeping a good tonal balance and being relatively "neutral". Overall, not only is the sound more pleasing, but actually sounds accurate to how a song would sound like if you were listening to it IRL.
This is a very common preference amongst consumers who aren't audiophiles - they prefer headphones with a 'V-shaped' sound signature. That is, boosted bass and boosted treble. It does not mean a headphones sounds better, it's a preference thing.
But if you wanted accuracy and neutrality, the Bathys is hands down better than the Bose.
Things not showing up or being cancelled at the last minute on Amazon seems to be a growing problem. I had a gear cart that was 8 stops away and suddenly it was off my delivery list and on my cancellation list. So... yea. Amazon is getting sloppy or having a lot of employee theft and they are not telling us about.
Love my Focal Bathys! I'm an audio engineer, so I think my opinion of what's considered "good" (accurate neutrality) probably differs from a lot of the mainstream consumers.
Do you agree that the starting chime at power on sounds abnormally lofi?
I wonder if you got a defective pair.
Won't be the first time there is QC issues at focal
did you try the wired dac mode?
Did You activate dynamic profile? It is harman tunning?
I love my Focal Bathys. To my ear they sound much better than AirPods Max and any of the Sonys. I don't have a pair of Bose to compare to though. I wonder if you used the Focal App to adjust the Bathys to your liking? By the way. I was able to get the Bathys for $599 at Audio 46.
You may have received a faulty pair. Did you try the different settings available on the headphones?
Just curious - did you try changing the source? It's not just the headphones that matter in determining the sound quality.....there are things like the DAC in your phone, recording bitrate, etc. Also, bluetooth is inherently limited unlike a wired connection - the Focal's support both. And yes, there is the listener - like everything else when you start comparing.
This is a textbook answer every audiophile has memorized for this exact situation :) lol
@aaakmm1785 but he is right. I had an 5.1 home theater that was loud and bought other with better decoder and now I can hear footsteps over leaf, water running on background.
@@aaakmm1785 but it's true - your audio is only as good as the weakest part in the chain.
This could have been a good point but just not in this case
The digital to analog processing,DSP and amplification are all done within the headphone, in Bluetooth or with the cable, there is not 3.5 jack it's a USB cable exactly for this reason
@@nixx5490yes and no.. Before digital signal is amplifying at headphone, pre-amp had done in source/media player first (phone, pc, dap, etc)
Ive always found Focal headphones to sound a bit tinny and harsh. I even tried their $5K pair in a local shop and they didn't have any warmth at all. I own a 10 year old pair of $700 headphones, and it was some of the best money Ive ever spent. It really comes down to knowing the sound signature you personally enjoy, and then finding a well built headphone that can produce that signature at a high level.
I was using the QC35 II every day for a couple years and loved them, then decided to get the Focal Bathys. I would consider myself an audiophile, yet these headphones were definitely the most expensive I've owned by a good bit. To me they do sound significantly better than the Bose, but ONLY after adding considerable EQ. I EQ all of my headphones and speakers regardless to make them sound how I like them to sound, so with that as part of the sound quality equation, the Focal is better and to me, worth the cost.
HOWEVER, if I don't apply any EQ, which most people probably won't, I would probably prefer the Bose under most circumstances. The Bathys sounds more flat, even if they are a bit more clear, and the noise canceling isn't quite as good.
My thoughts on your experience vs. other "expert" opinions and reviews is that many are going in expecting a more flat, "pure" sound with the Bathys and judging that against the raised bass/treble of the Bose. I (and it sounds like you) am not fond of that kind of sound and prefer more punch, which I can get easily with EQ. My suggestion is to try out a bit of EQ on both to see how you like it, even if it's something you wouldn't typically want to spend time on.
All that said, the QC35 do sound really good, especially for the used prices you can get them at.
Absolutely agree with you I got my focal bathys yesterday, and after playing with the eq they sound amazing, I've had bowers and wilkins px7 s2 and also b&0 h95 which were defective,but to my ears these are the best sounding headphones by a distance.
what eq settings do you use
@@AppIeOfficial I use Poweramp Equalizer for Android - mainly a huge bump in the low bass (20-35Hz) and a gradual treble boost above 9KHz. The default sound is really good to me but just needs some extra sparkle and deep bass. If you want the actual EQ values let me know.
@@chrisk3556 Thanks! What values do you use ?
@@AppIeOfficial lowpass 20Hz/3.49Q/3.6dB, lowpass 31Hz/0.86Q/9dB, highpass 9KHz/0.64Q/1.7dB, high shelf 12.3KHz/0.65Q/4dB, high shelf 14.5KHz/0.65Q/3dB, preamp -12dB. I added a bit more treble via a knob but I tend to like more upper treble than a lot of people
Interesting video. I do think your mentioning of how much conflicting anecdotal experience and measured data is out there is quite telling. I think this is a 2 markets competing situation.
There is a reason the majority of average listeners dont hear a difference or prefer a sound they are most used to and marketed (and the sound Bose most definitely tunes towards). And there is a reason why the majority of "audiophiles" would 9/10 pick the Bathys blind over the QCs.
To reference my personal experience, things like instrument separation and microcdynamics stand out first to me when A/Bing a new headphone. Something most people do not recognize in their music. There are 1000 of these types of things that photographers also care about that most dont even recognize (even if the difference is "night and day").
I don't think its weird you found a group of people that wholey preferred the QCs (even musicians. The majority of which swear by Rokit monitors and budget Audio Technica products). Its a different world and one that clearly you would rather put money elsewhere which is fine! Would be interesting to see you try other headphones to see if anything else is your taste.
I wonder if you used the AptX codec on the Bathys for their full potential , or the wired usb-c DAC mode with a lossless Audio source , you might change your opinion like you did with MacBook you now can't live without , after being a windows PC user. Just a thought.
Bathys has internal dac amplifier via usb c, thats not the same connnect it via bluetooth even at max potential aptx
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with choosing the Bose over the focal. At the end of the day it’s only going to matter what you like and not what other people think or what the reviews say.
I use my bathys for portable mixing since my other focals are wired and would require I also carry around my audio interface.
You did not even talk about the DAC mode in the bathys and yet you're saying the bose sounds better? As an audiophile that bose headphone which i used to have , is not the best in sound quality. Does not have the details, dynamics or even the timbre details that i looking for. Palatable tuning, but not the best.
not a audiophile but agree with you Bose sound was bad..tried before and i prefer my laptop speaker than the Bose..hahaha
I was at audiophile store for several hours and tested different models. Bathys was not loud for me, I dont know why, but they sounded weak, having low level of sound. But what I found outstanding and simply fantastic was the sound of Audeze XC, which is not BT and is quite heavy. But they sound phenomenal! Also Meze Lyric sound very nice. Just FYI 😅
There"s no way the Bose sound better to people who have discerning ears. Bose has a house sound that is very familiar, blunted, bass heavy, overly warm, the kind of thing people go for who don"t really want to hear full range. It"s like smothering something in butter or sugar.
I would consider my self an audiophile I own a few headphones one of the the focal clear mg on of there higher end wired headphones (1500$) and I really like theme. I really want to try out the barhys when I get a chance to do so.
Try it. I have focal bathys for 1 year and sound great.
I did try the Bose, XM5 and the Focal. the problem is that I have really high end stuff and all of them sounded bad. The Active Noise Canceling on the Bose is superb! crazy! the sound is ok, nothing great. for me, the Sony XM5 is the best of the three in sound and they also has very good ANC. About the focal, those are a lot more brighter then the others, the base is more tight and controlled and I completely agree with you, I could not find any youtuber who dont like them (strange).
i use Campfire Solaris at home , been trying to get a wireless headphone that can give me similar feel for quite a while without success until i try the Focal today. it's a lot closer the my Solaris than most of the others including Sony X5 and Bose QC
Hei there. I have more subs so listen to me 😂 The Focals are great. I did a long listen yesterday at the av store, comparing Bose qc, Sony, momentum, px8, px7, and the last one were the Focal. And for me, really important, for me, they sounded best for what I listen to. There are songs that these can’t play, but the ones they do, are hands down worth the trade. The rest were fine, I was ok with momentum, did everything fine but nothing excellent. In the end I tried a wired Meze pair, for the lols, and I went with wired, a slight but noticeable step up in quality and four down in price, but Focal are a discount day away from being mine. Love you work, I didn’t find you just researching audio gear. I’ve subscribed to you many years ago.
What music source were you using? That might have an effect
I listened to Higher Love by Steve Winwood, some modern Adele song, and then Mean Street by Van Halen for my test. -P
Just like a phone has a camera but isn't as good as mirrorless or DSLR. So is it's music player. A dedicated MP3 player will give superior audio and at high end should be more noticeable.
@@bongjovi4168 not in this case, all the digital to analog processing DSP and amplification is done by the headphone itself
I bought some dt 990s for like $300 years ago. They just sit on a shelf while I use $10 earbuds now.
Easy to clean, comfortable, don't get sweaty, don't get skull aches, can't hear much of a difference tbh lol. Maybe I'm just getting old 🤷♂️
DTs are made more for mixing/mastering rather than end-user use. And yes, sadly, as we get older our hearing gets worse. 😢
@@gr-os4gdI hope nobody will ever master on a dt990 those are just bad, they are used because they are cheap and sturdy and comes in high impedance and this can be nice in some pro applications
Soundwise, it sucks
dt 990s are actually considered quite bad by audiophile standards. Bass extension is non-existent. There is a CRAZY spike in the treble region that makes listening on them unbearable for extended hours and completely messes with the tonal balance. It's not considered a "good" headphone... there's so many better options.
It's a dumb question maybe, but I own a pair of audio technica ath-m50xbt and they sound decent. Should I upgrade to these?
I think it might be because you are using android versus apple or something with the bluetooth connection
I have the Bathys and they are neutral and sound much better than the Bose which my partner has.
Like many have said, if all your life you have been adjusted to impulsive V shaped frequency response designed to exaggerate bass and treble to get your immediate attention like Fruit Loops cereal when you are 5 years old, then yes cheap headphones are tuned for you. Saying things with confidence and looking straight into the camera does not substitute for real, in depth knowledge of a subject. Furthermore increased fidelity exposed as sound-stage, dynamics both micro and macro, and clarity can happen when you break away from the limited transfer bit rate of blue tooth and you go for far less limited focused listening to music with a wired headphone. Yes, you can sell more crap if you appeal to a crowd wanting instant gratification of exaggerated anything in life. Sugar highs don't last and never expose you to the richness in anything.
Not sure if you are paid to downplay these headphones, because that’s the only thing that would make sense. Simply comparing these to a Bose headphones is completely ludicrous. The folk Bathys is completely off the charts. The sound is flawless. Almost all audiophiles agree only the Mark Levinson 5909 Are the Dali IO-12 are even in the same stratosphere. Exactly what are you talking about? You’ve lost ALL credibility.
Thanks for honest review
i feel exactly the opposite. i tried Bose QC , QC Ultra and the Sony X5 a few times then went to my favorite headphone shop to try out the Focal Bathys, way way more details i get from the Focal.
Dammit man 😅
This video perfectly articulates my concerns regarding purchasing headphones like the Bathys - which I’ve been looking at to replace my broken AirPods Max. I recently tried Beyerdynamic DT1770 Pros (through a highly recommended amp) and absolutely hated them. My experience couldn’t have been more different to all the TH-camrs raving about them. To my ears, they sounded garbage compared to the Maxs. Even compared to regular, non-Pro, in ear 2nd gen AirPods. I then tried AudioTechnica M50s - recommended by someone who also didn’t like the DT1770s. Again, I found them to be terrible. I’m currently looking at the Focals, but from what I’ve heard so far, they’re incredibly bass-heavy - which I can’t stand. I’m aware you can EQ them in the app, which is what’s making me think they’re worth a try. But thank you for this video. It’s nice to hear an opinion on something that breaks through the traditional wall-to-wall praise there tends to be on TH-cam.
I believe it can be down to engineering capabilities, materials, developing and tuning time. BOSE is a professional volume headphones manufacturer few others can match. They can pretty much do whatever they want at the price they'd like to aim.
Unlike Focal, which despite being a high grade audio manufacturer does niche exotic products. It's like comparing a Pagani Huayra to a Ferrari SF90. You don't buy the Huayra because it runs better than the Ferrari.
Anyways... if you're interested: Sony is Porsche, Bose is Ferrari and Focal is Pagani, how's that for a comparison?
More like Sony is Honda, Bose is Chevrolet, Bang & Olufsen is Ferrari, Focal is Pagani
I’m not an audio expert but many are saying Bose etc are “over processed” which resonates with photographers. But what if there is a better analogy. What if the “high end” are like a “log” video while the Bose etc are just a standard image. I don’t know which analogy is correct but vast amounts of detail / range isn’t always the best.
Sound is very personal. A lot of audiophiles don't like Bose because they artificially EQ there sound but if you like you like them, good for you.
Personally, I prefer the sound of the Shure Aonic 50, which but in other ways the Bose will certainly be better.
As for more expensive headphone. It could certainly be said there there is a big case of diminishing returns and my wired headphones, Shure SRH1840, which I got for £250 (normally between £350-500), sound great compared to headphones that cost a lot more, particularly when you put rolled up toilet paper on the inside of the earcups (completely changes the sound) and are a lot lighter.
The Aonic 50 sound really good, I own a pair and love them.
I'm pretty sure that every anc headphone manufacturer used DSP to artificially eq it, I will be very surprised if focal or Shure didn't do it, it's almost mandatory and there is not reason to not do it
@@nixx5490 I don't think they did EQ with the Aonic 50 because it sounds the same power turned off wired to a headphone jack. There is a reason, you can use it with any DAC you want and get even more detailed sound and no battery charge needed. Makes it a great jack of all trades.
Not an audiophile but have a couple audio-technica/ and Sennheiser headphones… but your experience likely comes down to neutral sound and not using an amp. A lot of headphones on that range come to life with an amp
Everything is done within the headphone in the bathys, you can't power the headphone externally
Audio is around 350 miliseconds delayed related to the video. Makes it look like the video is voiced over.
Did you burn them in for 50 hours ? Focal drivers need at least that time. How is the imaging and the soundstage compared to the Bose that you are praising? Is the bass extended and more textured or bleeding into the midrange and muddy? Focal drivers have probable one of the best dynamic bass with slam and punch on the market especially for EDM and Rock.
In 25 reviews a read 22 reviewers said the Bathys is a TOP bluetooth headphone and much better than the Sony's, the Bose are the Airpod Max FOR SOUND. The better bluetooth headphones are Bowers & Wilkins PX8, the Bang & Olufsen H95, the John Leviston 5909 and the Focal Bathys. The Bang & Olufsen is the winner here most of the time together with the John Leviston but the Focal Bathys is better overall compared with the Bowers & WilkinsPX8. The Sony's and the Bose are not comming close for sound. You can buy the Bathys now in many places for € 699 and black friday are comming. I just have the Bathys (showmodel but new) today from a hifi store for € 579.
john = Mark 🙂
First of all taste is subjective. If you like the bose, go for it. Or you didn't let them of the leash. What I mean is, they are no out of the box performers. First of all they need so play time to wear in. Second, because of their great potential you need to use the full customisation options in the app to customize this pair to your ears and hearing habits only. Third, setting mixer to dynamic. Forth looking if full aptx adaptive is supported. Than they should outrun the bose easily. But still if you don't like them it's fine. I love mine though and would choose them over other for my scenario of use.
You should try planar magnetics, like Audeze. More or less around the same price, but you might hear the difference.
I had my Audeze Penrose stolen, but a friend tried them.
Their reaction? "Meh"
And jumped back to jamming to their Beats Solo.
I almost felt offended.
To me, the difference is huge.
Everyone has their opinion and preference.
$130 audiotechnica m50x is the answer my man, they are the best. I use them 8-16 hours a day everyday for 4 years, the only thing is fake leather falls apart but you can buy not original but longer lasting earpads and headband cover from china for
I don't think being an audiophile is a requirement for anything.
You have to realize, what we can hear is different for each person. Remember the hearing tests they gave in grade school? Some people could hear some of the tones but not all and some could hear higher tones better or lower tones better and some people heard every tone.
On top of that, you've been exposed to loud sounds your whole life, buses, airplanes, trains, loud music and who knows what else. these things have damaged your hearing over time. Age also reduces hearing.
So it is very normal to have a preference toward one type of sound field or another.
Just test and go with what you like.
For me, I like an ibasso DC05 and Senn Momentum earbuds with foam tips.
I have two objections with Bose. First, I used to sell Bose, among other brands, and Bose were returned broken far more often than other brands. I think it depends on how rough you are with your portable electronics. For some people, they just aren't built well enough.
Second, Bose uses a lot of trickery to reproduce frequencies headphones/speakers wouldn't naturally be able to produce. I think they are the most successful company at this. So in small form factor, you can get a pretty good result. But when you get into over-ear headphones or regular speakers, for me, they lose their advantage.
Of course, it is just my opinion and people should just get what they like.
They all used DSP, the focal headphones too, and it's the same for speakers, even high end monitors that you'll find in every studio like genelec or Neumann all used DSP
There is nothing wrong to correct the FR, it's almost mandatory
They usually don't.
I have spent last 10 years and too much money on headphones. After all of that I understood what a waste of time and money that was. Audiophiles like to use phrase "night and day" when comparing audio equipment and I learnt that by saying that they actually mean about 10% difference in sound quality.
Bathys are $699, not $799
Imho you have not reviewed enough brands. B&w, B&O, Fidelio, Grado, etc etc
Interesting that you didn’t like them. Till I had these I only ever loved my open back headphones for music (the ones I use for mixing my music and doing sound design work). I use the Bathys in DAC mode with Tidal and they sound vastly better than any other ANC headphones that I have tried.
Your findings definitely don’t match what I’ve heard other people say about them. I’ve found only a tiny minority who found the Bose to better. Each to their own of course, and sound is inevitably subjective. It’s just so interesting that everyone you let try these thought the same as you. Makes me wonder if your pair is bit dodgy.
On a budget, what's the best headphones for $50?
Soundcore Q30 with EQ
Guys just stay on the photo / video... This is like a joke and waste of time... Lee you are really good and I like the FStopper videos, but man here you ran into something you just don't know what you talking about... Anyway thanks for trying 😉
you have a faulty pair
I think not giving these headphones their place/purpose is misleading. If this was a direct competitor I’d see where you are coming from. The Bose is a great headphone for the masses (will please the majority and live up to their name) whereas the Focals are an audiophiles wireless noise cancelling pick of choice. At the end of the day it’s all preference and the only way to REALLY know you made the right choice is to try like you have, just can’t expect the Focals to have similar characteristics like the Bose when they were made with slightly different people in mind.
Please try new Bose Ultra headphones
Couldnt find one listing for anything close to $100
Audio is a very subjective thing, and I haven't tried the Bathys, but I have tried both the quietcomfort and QC II's and they sound very average. So much so, that they are not even worth considering even at $100.
How funny that all of the responses to this video disagree with this review, at the same time they are all too nice to actually say that this Bose biased review is total rubbish.
FS might have had a different opinion if only the build-in DAC and EQ was used/mentioned.
It's actually not weird at all that you don't like the sound from these. The Bose headphones are designed to somewhat accurately follow the Harman target which is a target frequency response developed by audio scientists at Harman. The target was proven in a blind test to produce the best subjective scores possible. Focal and 99% other headphones do not try to match this, especially in the bass region and end up sounding dull. JBL (same company as Harman) makes a lot of headphones that follow the target, even something like the 710BT which is a very cheap pair of headphones.
Also you should always level match the headphones you are trying to compare, otherwise the louder ones will sound better to most people regardless of the frequency response.
Actually, the Bathys follow the Harman Curve much closer than the Bose… yes there is a dip in the mid range, but all of the other frequencies are much more tonally neutral and balanced to the actual Harman target, not an emphasized Harman.
I don't know where those claims came from, the focal baths follow almost exactly the Harman target in the bass region up to 500-600hz
Same for other focal headphones like the celestee
Not a fan of Sony XM(2...5) ? When I checked reviews vs Bose, most said Sony's are a bit better (not by much, tho)
They just don't fit my big ears.
I tried the FOCAL BATHYS and compared them to many other headphones, I currently own the Sennheiser Momentum 4, I hate to say that but I respectfully disagree with your opinion.
He stated that he is not at audiophil and that this is his own opinion. That's why it's fully okay. I tested
Bose NC700
Bose QC 35 II
Bose QC 45
Bose Quitecomfort (his favourites)
Bang and Olufsen H95
BOWERS & WILKINS PX8
Focal Bathys
My conclusion: by far the best headphone for me is the focal bathys. I can do telephone calls and have amazing sound quality. I have to add however that my hearing is way above average according to doctors. Also, what the reviewer forgets, I'm sorry to say, the telephone quality is trash on the Bose Quitecomfort. Yes i know i could have put it more diplomatically. Also for the price, the build quality is a joke. It's pure plastic.
In the end, if the new Bose Quitecomfort would cost 50% of the current price i would understand more his motivation. Also, everybody is free to say his opinion/thoughts.
PS: the fake leather on the Bose Quitecomfort is a joke as well for the price. As I said, below 200 EUR gross we could start talking more seriously.
It’s funny you mention the low quality startup sound but don’t mention the absolutely horrible sounding voice prompts in Bose’s headphones, lol.
Wireless headphones mostly sound the same because they're limited by the wireless protocols - this is mostly specific to Bluetooth wireless. If you plugged them in with a cable you might start to hear differences in the quality of the drivers, but over wireless, yes, they all sound about as bad as each other. I agree the Bose QC35's are about as good as it gets. For comfort, AirPods Pro are no worse sounding but more practical. For out and out sound quality you need a cable, or headphones with a dedicated wireless dongle that steps around the Bluetooth limitations.
The Focal Bathys at first do sound kind of veiled but they really open up after burn in. They are not juiced in the treble so do not sound crispy, nor are they hyped in the bass region. They have a little lift in the midbass that makes them sound warm. The soundstage is amazing. Its horses for courses, but I love em.😊
Yeah, they definitely sound a little dry at first but over time, I’ve definitely noticed the bass as being much more punchy and slang and the treble being more detailed and less harsh. I still have to eq that midrange dip a bit but other than that no complaints
@dbean5174 yes. Definitely got a midrange dip that needs eqing. But a good pair of headphones. Treble not too bright.
$800 is basic for audiophile headphones...My daily is a Audeze MX4's and they are so clear everything else I use sounds like I'm listening through a pillow.
so you didn't use any actual audiophiles, just regular people ? good headphone sound flat, they sound like the source was recorded. consumer headphones have boost in the bass and midrange. i prefer flat and accurate because i can always add some boost if i want it, i can't easily take artificial boost out. it is like comparing raw vs jpg with someone who doesn't know how to edit images. they will always pick the jpg.
I dont know what is wrong with new headphones but i need change cushions every year , pain ... i also have 30 years old headphones i never need change nothing on them , next pair the same issue for most of brands you cant even get genuine parts shame on you all brands ! bose refurbished headphones 140$ cushions 40$ crazy for piece of sponge :/
your confusing sound quality and preffered sound signatures
case usage indeed
Or quality vs quantity
I think the lesson here is that non-audiophiles should not be spending money on high end audio gear, because they won't be able, or even know how, to appreciate the differences.
gotta break them in. new out of the box may not be impressive. like fine wine, they will get better than the bose
Car need need first 1000 miles delicate driving, headphones are the same.
Everyone I know loves the Bathy’s so Wow can’t believe your comments, you either have a faulty pair or you’re source is poor .
Who cares about QuietComfort AND Bathys if there's ISK HD9999.
It's okay if some people prefer fast food over fine dining.
Could it be a Chinese knock off? They do very convincing fake products and Amazon does not really do product validation as far as I know.
the headphone is not that popular to have a Chinese knockoff..
When you see a tone of reviews where everyone loves something is usually the first clue that something is not Kosher. This was probably given to the other for what I like to call a, "Please to make 5 star review". It's getting harder and harder to believe people on this platform. thanks for always being honest with us viewers.
This is not a bit, people. I completely agree. Very dull, bland, high pitched, overall forgettable 5 minute experience.
Agreed, more expensive doesn’t always mean better quality.
That’s a sacrilegious comment amongst audiophiles with whom more money always means better quality 😂😂😂
This is even scientifically proven. Harman laboratories tested many headphones and there was literally no correlation between price and listeners preferences.
In some cases - I have a pair of $3k headphones and ANYTHING else I put on sounds muffled and not clear. The driver used in the headphones is thinner than a human hair allowing allowing faster transitions between freqs...Sounds like marketing speak but I can actually hear the difference.
@@LakerTriangleyeah…I have a HE1000 which has a driver of a nanometer and the micro details is pulls is just amazing. Of course, many will not hear the difference initially but after time, they will 😊
🤣🤣🤣 something definitely wrong with his focal cause saying the Bose sounded good..just make me laugh...tried the bose before and only thing can say is hahahahahaha...even tho haven't tried the focal cause better stick to laptop speaker if its the bose you think is the best
After I watched your last comparison video I noticed that almost every wireless headphone you thought was good I thought was bad. This may be for a couple of reasons. Straight out the box without a proper eq most headphones sound trash. Most manufacturers are going for a flat non dynamic sound so that they don’t offend anyone’s preferences. The dynamic u shape often used in an eq really brings out the capabilities of these headphones and begins to separate them quickly
WERE YOU PAID TO GIVE A BAD REVIEW? Your review was highly inaccurate because you did absolutely no research on why they are good even though you said you did. You didn't mention that your device is an iPhone and therefore sends a really low quality Bluetooth signal to the headphones. You didn't review it using a device that leverages AptX Adaptive BT and your iPhone will not transmit the best signal because Apple refuses to add industry standard Bluetooth signals because it would then compete with their own. You also didn't compare it with the cable connected. Your clearly are ok with publishing non-accurate reviews.
If you want to get the best audio from bluetooth on an Apple product (or Any device that doesn't support AptX Adaptive) , then purchase the very inexpensive $35 BT-W5 adapter from Creative Audio and then republish your review. Thats like taking a Ferrari car out for a race but putting low quality fuel in the tank and expecting it to drive well.
😂😂😂😂😂😂.
"100$ sounds better than 800$" LOLOLOLOL. You should stop reviewing headphones, honestly.
Clearly, you don't understand anything about sound quality :) Or maybe Bose paid you to make this video Or your ears are faulty!
Sold mine and got the Bose 45 at an excellent price. Totally agree with you the Bathys are awful and so cheap and ugly looking with terrible sound. Had real issues with connectivity, certainly not worth their price. Also their noise cancelling is no where near as good as the Bose.
You are normal consumers hearing. So .... jbl good for youand cheap. Only bass.
Are you for real??? Focal Bathys are lightyears better sounding headphones than crappy Bose. Seriously, were you dropped on your head as a child?
800 $ headphones are for professionaluse . No consumer of today's music wants flat sound. That doesn't mean one is better, it is for different ears.