"All dead. If the Dalek gets out, it'll murder every living creature. That's all it needs." "But why would it do that?!" "Because it honestly believes they should die." That's actually terrifying imagery.
Still the best Dalek story. I love that line; Van Statten: Why would it do that?! Doctor: Because it honestly believes they should die! Those two lines of dialogue sum up the Daleks perfectly.
Props should be given to the actor that played Van Stanten, he was a good character actor for Eccleston to play off of. Never underestimate the power of a good character actor.
@@SirDanFilmsUnltd Jin's actor John Schwab was also in this ep in a small role, think he was a soldier. I also recently noticed Monica's actor from XC3 in a dr who audio, Z is played by Harry Lloyd who played Jeremy Baines/son of mine in the family of blood. And of course, everyone's favorite and most obvious example, Melia, Jenna Coleman. There's quite a bit of crossover.
"If you're so impressive, then why not just reason with this Dalek? It must be willing to negotiate." It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity or remorse... Wait, wrong franchise!
@@ZackExplorer28 that one's debatable, different writers seem to have their own takes on that. Martez: "... Fearing nothing" 8th Doctor: "Or perhaps, being afraid of *everything*" -Blood of the Daleks
“If the Dalek gets out, it will murder every living creature. *That's all that it needs…Because it honestly believes they should die.* Human beings are different, and anything different is wrong. It's the ultimate in racial cleansing…” This short elaboration by the Doctor is the perfect summarization to what a Dalek is; no buildup, no suspense, just plain and simple explanation of a monster with horrifying beliefs So it really bothers me when the Doctor in modern day episodes take them so lightly as if they’re goons, when they’re some of the worst things in all of creation; or when the Daleks in modern day episodes are so incompetent at doing something they’ve practically mastered in the RTD era
I mean - by the end of this season, the Daleks can BARELY kill a station full of humans - and just a season later - they get their asses handed to them by a guy with big magnets... Nevermind what RTD did by the Donna era xD brought back their creator and made them even MORE of a joke If anyone failed to take the Dalek's seriously - it started with RTD
@@2Scribble mmm, I disagree. Under RTD, every time the daleks are on screen, their build up and suspense is palpable. You can feel as though they are a genuine threat, something to fear. Sure there’s apparent plot armor for the doctor but that has been a staple of doctor who since the 60s. He just does things that don’t make sense that work when it clearly shouldn’t. The only time I think he truly dropped the ball on them was the doctor Donna. Literally fine until the finale ended with a simple button push. Compare to moffat and chibnall: Moffat had the new dalek paradigm which he abandoned immediately from fan backlash, and the dalek parliament which was laughable by itself. And then he went on to have the witches familiar episode. In Al of his works, the daleks just don’t make sense, they act incompetent more so than scary and the dread factor just isn’t present. The only arguably good daleks were the Ironsides which got exterminated by the progenitor paradigm which then got written out of the universe. And then chibnall just threw his hands up and said ‘f*** it, I guess they were vulnerable to spears in the Paleolithic period, also I can’t write.’
And this is why Eccleston is simply THE Doctor. To me, his is the character in his purest form. It’s all thanks to spectacular writing and Eccleston’s virtually perfect performance.
Its terrifying to think that if it werent for The Doctor and Rose that Dalek would have sterilized the entire planet. So IMO one loose Dalek is far more terrifying that an organised invasion of thousands.
And think about the New Year special. A Roman squad defeated a Dalek. And the the single parent father was a bigger danger and received more SJW wrath than the Dalek.
They never should have brought back the Dalek Empire. This one Dalek should have survived and every Dalek episode since should've been the Doctor trying to stop this one Dalek. Imagine Journey's End but only one Dalek is behind it. Imagine we got through ten seasons of New Who and never see a single Dalek die. Then when we get to Day of the Doctor we should see planets and stars wiped out in an instant as the time lords desperately try to hold them back.
@@cameroncaws5959 thing is, that's The Master's job. To be that one enemy that never dies so, if we added that one Dalek, that would negate The Master's importance to the show (at least, in my opinion, anyway).
@@DoctorWhoKage Davros says hello. The Master has never bene the one enemy of the Doctor that never dies and thats not what makes him important. His job is to play the Moriatrty to the Doctor's Sherlock. He's simply the only enemy that's as clever and powerful as the Doctor. He's halso the Doctor's only Time Lord friend that we kno of which makes him very significant. This show needs more recurring villains to make the encounters more interesting.
Funny thing about that is that literally no one told her the Dalek was unsafe to touch, even though another guy burst into flames when he touched it. Makes Adam’s little “Rose no.” Kind I’d seem half assed considering she could have just burnt up 😆
@@Iangardner09 I blame Adam for letting her get closer to the Dalek. For a guy who had more knowledge on the Dalek, he could’ve grabbed Rose and pulled her away. But instead, he went, “Rose no!” in such a half-assed away.
Ok, it was the first series for a very long time and nobody knew how good it would become but announcing your departure, the day after the first episode aired was bad form. Possibly, it was Ecclestones arrogance but who would swap this for GI Joe?
one of my fav lines: Van Statten: "there must be something it needs, everything needs something." Doctor: "what's the nearest town?" VS: "Salt Lake City" Doctor: "population?" VS: "1 million" Doctor: "all dead." Nine was not screwing around.
What an absolutely fantastic Doctor. I appreciate the comedic moments in Dr. Who, but... this is friggin' masterful. No nonsense. No dancing around the issue. "Nearest city?" "Salt Lake City." "Population?" "1 million." "All dead." Bing bang boom, the whole thing's on the table. Beautiful.
I still don't understand why some people don't like Nine. He was everything the Doctor had to be considering his circumstances. A veteran of the war of the millennium. He was battle-worn and suffering immense, if not, severe trauma from the effects of the Time War. He is the closest version of a Doctor who holds nothing back since Ten and the Family of Blood.
This episode came out in 2005. It takes place in 2012. As I’m typing this, it is 2021. As of now, you are 2 years further from this episode’s set date than you were when it aired. Enjoy the rest of your day, old man. 😙
@@mrphobia6198 As of *now* then, you are 5 years further from this episode's set date than you were when it aired. Enjoy the rest of your day, ancient man. 😙
@@mrphobia6198 Was only seven myself. Still remember going to Blackpool to some Dr Who exhibition, and there was a life size Dalek... I did NOT wanna go near it.
Глеб Калинин that’s different, 98 percent of all the creatures and objects the SCP Foundation has contained would wipe out all life on earth the first chance they get (like SCP-682 for example) and the other 2 percent is being protected by the Foundation (like SCP-999 for example)
Dalek stories are tricky because every writer and showrunner wants to in someway put their own stamp on it. Cybermen aren't quite the same because they've been created different ways on different worlds with essentially the same motivation. They equal the same creature, but with a spin on how they get to that point. It's not much, but it is a distinction. Daleks are always from Skarro, always created by Davros and always have the same motivation: Exterminating anything different from it for some bizarre notion of racial harmony. The trick of that is you can't tell that story all the time and continue to give it the same energy and focus. You can't overexpose it, otherwise you risk the reduction of impact their appearances have. In those early episodes of Davies' run Daleks were interesting, and this first appearance in the revival was vital to reintroducing them properly. Here, you can measure the threat a single Dalek has and imagine what an army could do if unleashed. A great episode.
The Cybermen have also been more versatile in how they've been used to represent themes. They've been used in their original outing to represent medical science gone too far, and in the revived series the dangers of society becoming more plugged into technology. From a political angle they've sometimes been used as this kind of communist race, trying to make everyone equal but with no individuality. On the flip side, they've also been portrayed as the ultimate capitalist society, prioritising productivity and profit over people, and prioritising logic and facts over feelings. Daleks are basically just space nazis. There's not generally much else they've been used to represent beyond that. That's not a criticism mind, I'm rather fond of the genocidal pepper pots 😛.
@@jakerockznoodles I will point out that the communism thing was never actually an intention of any of the writers, and the comparison does fall flat if you actually know anything about communism beyond western propaganda. The Cybermen generally have such a broad and versatile concept. They can be used as simple robotic zombies, parodies of multiple different political beliefs, statements on technophobia and the fear of science, and can be placed in pretty much any setting. However in reality it's rare to get a story about the Cybermen that isn't just robo-zombies. The recent Series 12 episode where a Zealot Cyberman was Frankenstein's Monster is pretty much the most abstract Cyberman story out there. The Daleks are conceptually one-note. They were created as a 'warning' of fascism. However, writers have stretched how far that concept can be taken to the extreme. Even just looking at the modern era, episodes like Dalek, Parting of the Ways, Evolution of the Daleks, and Victory of the Daleks all have the same basic concept but execute it in very different ways.
"Here, you can measure the threat a single Dalek has and imagine what an army could do if unleashed." What they were gunning for with Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways, to build on that threat, and they did it extremely well given you already knew how unstoppable one was. Though there were only 2, 9th Doctor Dalek stories are in a class of their own.
Back when Doctor Who had proper writing. These days the Doctor shows up, shouts about how he's the Doctor and magically fixes everything, and everything is super quotable and every bullshit piece of dialogue could go on a t-shirt
Actually I think that was the reason why River told the Doctor "When you started all those years ago, did you ever think you would become this? That you would be able to turn an army around just by saying your name?" and he later deleted his name from all the databases... Because he simply became "too much"...
current show's high points are lower, but its low points are much higher. I personally preffer Russel's era, but it is in no way objectively superior writing. Just different
I have to disagree there Linkfanoftheyear. If the newest season has shown us anything, it's that the low points of Moffet's era are far below any of the low points of Davies' era. Seriously almost every single episode of the newer season has been terrible, or almost terrible.
Knuckles: You captured the single most dangerous creature in the entire galaxy...and you set it free? Van Statten: Exactly Knuckles: ARE YOU CRAZY WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO!? Van Statten: I guess were just gonna have to reason with it
This episode was how Doctor Who should be. Tense, scary thrilling, good script and story, the minimum of banter.Unfortunately since then it has gone downhill and is now a glib camp comedy with silly storylines and scripts. The last Dalek story with Peter Capaldi has the embarrassing moment when the Doctor produced a cup of tea out of nowhere in the middle of the Dalek control room.
@@wyvern5890 exactly, it's just a complete sigh moment right there. When the script is so stupid even the head writer doesn't bother to explain it with wibbly wobbly timey whimey, just a "deal with it".
I found that funny actually. Not the tea, the line that follows. "I'm the Doctor. Accept it" I hate all the BS they made up on the spot about Daleks. Words Daleks can't say: Human names. Mercy. Love. Hold on, doesn't this Dalek cover all that? Ah fuck it. Who remembers 2005?
Some great character here for Van Statten. Even after costing so many lives, he'd rather have the Dalek alive because of his need for it to be another one of his exhibits. He really thinks after torturing it, after watching it kill so many people without second thought, it'd be within reason and when he hears that the Dalek will kill 1 million people, he's in disbelief because he collected alien artifacts but never once tried to understand why, and combined with his lack of any human sympathy it baffles him because he never tried to understand, he just wanted to drag the stars down on the ground and label them under 20 feet of dirt. And he only realises what he did wrong when his mistakes cost the life of an innocent nineteen year old girl who should have been unrelated.
I always thought it was a shame that Van Staten got his memory erased. I understand in the story its supposed to be poetic justice, but really I thought maybe the better way for his character was an epiphany.
And now Matt Smith’s Doctor can kill Daleks with blunt force trauma. I know the current series is awful, but I feel like the rot set in the moment they de powered the Daleks.
The Daleks definitely were de-powered in 2010-17, but there's never a moment where the 11th Doctor kills a Dalek with blunt force trauma. The two Dalek episodes since 2018 have honestly restored the Daleks to their former power
Since when? Only time a Dalek ever got damaged by blunt force in the modern era was during Power of the Doctor, which was not only not caused by any of the Doctor’s, but it was only on the weakspot, the eye.
@@caseypitt1296 Perhaps @mossy642 is referring to when the War Doctor kills a Dalek vehicular manslaughter-style by ramming into it with his Tardis? That's from the 11th Doctor's run, even if it wasn't him killing the Dalek.
I don't think he would've tried to bring her back, if only because his mind wasn't as fully out of the Time War yet as Ten's was... but I absolutely agree that if Rose HAD died here, then the Doctor would've taken a turn for the worse from which he might've never recovered.
For me this is what makes the Daleks one of the most dangerous villains in Sci-Fi. Villains can be motivated by tragedy or even the pursuit of power but for the Daleks it's simple. Any life that is different from them must die because they honestly believe that they are not deserving of life and that their existence is completely wrong.
soldier: thank you doctor but I think I know how to fight one single tin robot. Morgan Freeman: As it turns out he did not know how to fight one "single tin Robot".
"What's the nearest town?" "Salt Lake City." "Population?" "One Million." "All Dead." Me, who's been living in Salt Lake pretty much since the day I was born: Well... shit.
Nine and Rose were much more better than Ten and Rose. Ten was no good for Rose, She became exactly what she hated in Series 2, a Bystander. She was no longer the active individual she always knew she could be but never realised she had in her, she had become with 9. Their relationship was pure... "Goodbye then Doctor, I wouldn't have missed it for the world" ;). Nine challenged Rose's Horizons. Whereas with Ten she was a Damsel in Distress who needed saving by a Mr Mann.
wow it's almost like the series is called DOCTOR WHO not ROSE. the Tenth doctor and beyond is when the doctor started to become feared through out the universe if anything the doctor in season 1 was so riddled with PTSD he had more in common with a scared beaten down dog than that of the highly confidant and ultra badass timelord victorious the later 3 incarnations later become. yeah eccelston played the doctor amazingly but he was pretty much just the beginning doctor for the modern series arc.
while there is a lot of pointless complaining, many of us who prefer watching RTD's series criticize Moffat's because we care about the show and want it to be better. And sometimes complaining is justified. Moffat's era, for instance, had a lot of bigotry and harmful messaging that should be called out
@@cameroncaws5959 I love Capaldi as an actor but he was too musical theatre as the Doctor. Apart from that one war speech, his monologues got very repetitive and overdramatic. Christopher had fantastic delivery because he felt raw and real.
Dr who started its decline with Matt Smith he was 100% crap and his storys was badly written bore snores unless it was against the daleks or cybermen he was utter garbage and that bad writing followed into capaldis turn.
wrong wrong and oh look ultra wrong and entirely subjective yeah the writing was off here and there but doctor who series 5 6 7 8 9 and 10 where all great and had some truly amazing moments. Mat t was amazing in his own right every doctor is none is objectively better than the other.
@@michaelkean5969 Nah, the writing for 11th and 12th sounded like someone smelling their own farts and literally the female companions wanted to fuck him.
@@SteelSpurs Because those were very boring and unnecessary complicated. None of the stories past the 10th Doctor hooked me like those from 1 to 4. Honestly, there were some episodes where I thought I'll fall asleep. But that's my opinion.
Hello. It probably wasn't his fault. I have had the same problem where I try and post a comment and it says something like "Comment failed to post." So I try again just to find out that the original one did post and I have posted two times.
I've read someone that back when Daleks were created in the 60's it wasn't yet a custom for the rights for the monsters to be passed to BBC, so someone independent is now holding the rights to Dalek imagery; and that they require Doctor Who to include a Dalek episode with a certain frequency under the threat of not allowing Dalek episodes at all. So I imagine that when writers are forced to write episodes about Daleks too often, they need to bump the threat to make them more than "just another Dalek episode", hence more and more Daleks, or a special Dalek, or a Dalek cult, and all that; but they still need to get defeated by the Doctor, and they still must not kill major characters (although imo they could). So their threatening aura wears off
"All dead. If the Dalek gets out, it'll murder every living creature. That's all it needs."
"But why would it do that?!"
"Because it honestly believes they should die." That's actually terrifying imagery.
"It's the ultimate in racial cleansing" I prefer that line tbh
Terry Nation based the Daleks on the Nazis which makes those lines even better
@@Lucywin97 No offence, but you'd have to be pretty stupid not to think they were based off the nazi's
Just like every single ideology does: nazism, communism, socialism, monotheism... that's all they need, anybody to stomp on
@@gomongio capitalism...
The scariest part of rewatching this episode as an adult isn’t the Dalek...
...it’s realizing that at some point you got older than Rose.
Preach.
I watched this episode when it came out when I was 5. Fuck XD
I was 10 when this episode aired. Now I'm 25, but I'll never get old.
I was the same age as Rose during this show lol part of why I loved it.
Oh my god you're right 😬
Still the best Dalek story. I love that line;
Van Statten: Why would it do that?!
Doctor: Because it honestly believes they should die!
Those two lines of dialogue sum up the Daleks perfectly.
Props should be given to the actor that played Van Stanten, he was a good character actor for Eccleston to play off of. Never underestimate the power of a good character actor.
Corey Johnson. He's had smaller roles in Kingsman and Morbius but he's allowed to expand in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 as Praetor Amalthus.
@@Reynsoon he had some good scenes in Hellboy as well
@@Reynsoon
That bastard Amalthus shares an actor with Van Statten?!
🤯
@@SirDanFilmsUnltd Jin's actor John Schwab was also in this ep in a small role, think he was a soldier.
I also recently noticed Monica's actor from XC3 in a dr who audio, Z is played by Harry Lloyd who played Jeremy Baines/son of mine in the family of blood.
And of course, everyone's favorite and most obvious example, Melia, Jenna Coleman.
There's quite a bit of crossover.
He should be brought back, actor as different characters and character himself
"If you're so impressive, then why not just reason with this Dalek? It must be willing to negotiate."
It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity or remorse... Wait, wrong franchise!
or fear. and it absolutely will not stop, EVER, until every non-Dalek is dead.
@@ZackExplorer28 that one's debatable, different writers seem to have their own takes on that.
Martez: "... Fearing nothing"
8th Doctor: "Or perhaps, being afraid of *everything*"
-Blood of the Daleks
where is that from again?
@@samcochran8203 terminator
not a robot cyborg
“If the Dalek gets out, it will murder every living creature. *That's all that it needs…Because it honestly believes they should die.* Human beings are different, and anything different is wrong. It's the ultimate in racial cleansing…”
This short elaboration by the Doctor is the perfect summarization to what a Dalek is; no buildup, no suspense, just plain and simple explanation of a monster with horrifying beliefs
So it really bothers me when the Doctor in modern day episodes take them so lightly as if they’re goons, when they’re some of the worst things in all of creation; or when the Daleks in modern day episodes are so incompetent at doing something they’ve practically mastered in the RTD era
I mean - by the end of this season, the Daleks can BARELY kill a station full of humans - and just a season later - they get their asses handed to them by a guy with big magnets...
Nevermind what RTD did by the Donna era xD brought back their creator and made them even MORE of a joke
If anyone failed to take the Dalek's seriously - it started with RTD
@@2Scribble mmm, I disagree. Under RTD, every time the daleks are on screen, their build up and suspense is palpable. You can feel as though they are a genuine threat, something to fear. Sure there’s apparent plot armor for the doctor but that has been a staple of doctor who since the 60s. He just does things that don’t make sense that work when it clearly shouldn’t. The only time I think he truly dropped the ball on them was the doctor Donna. Literally fine until the finale ended with a simple button push.
Compare to moffat and chibnall:
Moffat had the new dalek paradigm which he abandoned immediately from fan backlash, and the dalek parliament which was laughable by itself. And then he went on to have the witches familiar episode. In Al of his works, the daleks just don’t make sense, they act incompetent more so than scary and the dread factor just isn’t present. The only arguably good daleks were the Ironsides which got exterminated by the progenitor paradigm which then got written out of the universe.
And then chibnall just threw his hands up and said ‘f*** it, I guess they were vulnerable to spears in the Paleolithic period, also I can’t write.’
@@nathanielweber7843 RTD expertly brought these iconic monsters to a new generation. This is easily my favourite Dalek episode of the reboot era.
And this is why Eccleston is simply THE Doctor. To me, his is the character in his purest form. It’s all thanks to spectacular writing and Eccleston’s virtually perfect performance.
Its terrifying to think that if it werent for The Doctor and Rose that Dalek would have sterilized the entire planet. So IMO one loose Dalek is far more terrifying that an organised invasion of thousands.
And think about the New Year special. A Roman squad defeated a Dalek. And the the single parent father was a bigger danger and received more SJW wrath than the Dalek.
They never should have brought back the Dalek Empire. This one Dalek should have survived and every Dalek episode since should've been the Doctor trying to stop this one Dalek. Imagine Journey's End but only one Dalek is behind it. Imagine we got through ten seasons of New Who and never see a single Dalek die. Then when we get to Day of the Doctor we should see planets and stars wiped out in an instant as the time lords desperately try to hold them back.
@@cameroncaws5959 thing is, that's The Master's job. To be that one enemy that never dies so, if we added that one Dalek, that would negate The Master's importance to the show (at least, in my opinion, anyway).
@@DoctorWhoKage Davros says hello. The Master has never bene the one enemy of the Doctor that never dies and thats not what makes him important. His job is to play the Moriatrty to the Doctor's Sherlock. He's simply the only enemy that's as clever and powerful as the Doctor. He's halso the Doctor's only Time Lord friend that we kno of which makes him very significant. This show needs more recurring villains to make the encounters more interesting.
Except it couldn't repair itself until Rose touched it. It would have stayed in the box being tortured for ....Ummm.. how long do daleks live?
One of those rare moments in DW where you actually believed someone was dead
This scene is so good that I still forget that the Dalek didn’t exterminate Rose
"And You Van Statten, You let it loose!"
Well Technically, Rose did when she touched it.
Funny thing about that is that literally no one told her the Dalek was unsafe to touch, even though another guy burst into flames when he touched it.
Makes Adam’s little “Rose no.” Kind I’d seem half assed considering she could have just burnt up 😆
Wouldn't have even got to that if Doctor was allowed finish the Dalek off when he had the chance before Van Statten intervened.
“Guess how hot my dome is”
Rose didn't know about the Daleks at first.
@@Iangardner09 I blame Adam for letting her get closer to the Dalek. For a guy who had more knowledge on the Dalek, he could’ve grabbed Rose and pulled her away. But instead, he went, “Rose no!” in such a half-assed away.
Scenes like these really show what a shame it was that Eccleston left after only one series.
Ok, it was the first series for a very long time and nobody knew how good it would become but announcing your departure, the day after the first episode aired was bad form. Possibly, it was Ecclestones arrogance but who would swap this for GI Joe?
I love that moment when the Doctor tells Van about the Daleks, cause it's the ultimate shut-down and it wasn't even an insult XD
one of my fav lines:
Van Statten: "there must be something it needs, everything needs something."
Doctor: "what's the nearest town?"
VS: "Salt Lake City"
Doctor: "population?"
VS: "1 million"
Doctor: "all dead."
Nine was not screwing around.
What an absolutely fantastic Doctor. I appreciate the comedic moments in Dr. Who, but... this is friggin' masterful. No nonsense. No dancing around the issue.
"Nearest city?"
"Salt Lake City."
"Population?"
"1 million."
"All dead."
Bing bang boom, the whole thing's on the table. Beautiful.
Pretty sure it wasn’t meant to by funny
@@lochness5524 I didn't say it was
@@josefzalusky7307 “I appreciate the comedic moments”, made it sound like it
@@lochness5524 Okay, but I immediately said "but" after that, meaning I was saying this moment wasn't comedic.
One of the most self explanatory,heart breaking defining moments of Doctor who.
Back when the daleks were this mysterious dark evil creature that would wipe out an entire city on its own. now you need 12 just to kill 1
Out of all the 'New' Doctors...Ecclestone was simply the best.
Because he got out before it got stale.
Christopher was just amazing
"Human beings are different, and anything different is wrong. It's the ultimate in racial cleansing."
That sounds eerily similar to how racists think...
@@evanmiller2562 Wow, it's not like the Daleks were based on one of the most evil vile groups...
Van Statten is Morbius's first kill, he is also the preacher in Kingsman 1 and Praetor Amalsus in XC2
I still don't understand why some people don't like Nine. He was everything the Doctor had to be considering his circumstances. A veteran of the war of the millennium. He was battle-worn and suffering immense, if not, severe trauma from the effects of the Time War.
He is the closest version of a Doctor who holds nothing back since Ten and the Family of Blood.
This actor has a habit of playing characters whose hubris brings back a force of destruction. (Praetor Amalthus)
Back when the Daleks were something to fear.
This episode came out in 2005.
It takes place in 2012.
As I’m typing this, it is 2021.
As of now, you are 2 years further from this episode’s set date than you were when it aired.
Enjoy the rest of your day, old man. 😙
And it was filmed in 2004
Reading this comment 3 years later.
@@mrphobia6198 As of *now* then, you are 5 years further from this episode's set date than you were when it aired.
Enjoy the rest of your day, ancient man. 😙
@@youvebeengreeked I was 6 when this came out.
@@mrphobia6198 Was only seven myself. Still remember going to Blackpool to some Dr Who exhibition, and there was a life size Dalek... I did NOT wanna go near it.
1:01 - SCP Foundation .
Глеб Калинин that’s different, 98 percent of all the creatures and objects the SCP Foundation has contained would wipe out all life on earth the first chance they get (like SCP-682 for example) and the other 2 percent is being protected by the Foundation (like SCP-999 for example)
More like the GOC. SCP does do some protecting.
@@OmarM626
The Torchwood looks more like a GOC.
Both of them pose a terrible threat to humanity
@@lonestarwolfentertainment7184
I meant what the Foundation does, not what is in its cells.
0:38 sounds like Resurrection/Revelation of the Daleks' laser gun sound effects
You're right, it does
Diana Goddard doesn't say a word in this scene, but she's listening intently -- leading to her taking down Van Statten in the end
Dalek stories are tricky because every writer and showrunner wants to in someway put their own stamp on it. Cybermen aren't quite the same because they've been created different ways on different worlds with essentially the same motivation. They equal the same creature, but with a spin on how they get to that point. It's not much, but it is a distinction.
Daleks are always from Skarro, always created by Davros and always have the same motivation: Exterminating anything different from it for some bizarre notion of racial harmony. The trick of that is you can't tell that story all the time and continue to give it the same energy and focus. You can't overexpose it, otherwise you risk the reduction of impact their appearances have.
In those early episodes of Davies' run Daleks were interesting, and this first appearance in the revival was vital to reintroducing them properly. Here, you can measure the threat a single Dalek has and imagine what an army could do if unleashed. A great episode.
The Cybermen have also been more versatile in how they've been used to represent themes. They've been used in their original outing to represent medical science gone too far, and in the revived series the dangers of society becoming more plugged into technology. From a political angle they've sometimes been used as this kind of communist race, trying to make everyone equal but with no individuality. On the flip side, they've also been portrayed as the ultimate capitalist society, prioritising productivity and profit over people, and prioritising logic and facts over feelings.
Daleks are basically just space nazis. There's not generally much else they've been used to represent beyond that. That's not a criticism mind, I'm rather fond of the genocidal pepper pots 😛.
@@jakerockznoodles I will point out that the communism thing was never actually an intention of any of the writers, and the comparison does fall flat if you actually know anything about communism beyond western propaganda.
The Cybermen generally have such a broad and versatile concept. They can be used as simple robotic zombies, parodies of multiple different political beliefs, statements on technophobia and the fear of science, and can be placed in pretty much any setting. However in reality it's rare to get a story about the Cybermen that isn't just robo-zombies. The recent Series 12 episode where a Zealot Cyberman was Frankenstein's Monster is pretty much the most abstract Cyberman story out there.
The Daleks are conceptually one-note. They were created as a 'warning' of fascism. However, writers have stretched how far that concept can be taken to the extreme. Even just looking at the modern era, episodes like Dalek, Parting of the Ways, Evolution of the Daleks, and Victory of the Daleks all have the same basic concept but execute it in very different ways.
"Here, you can measure the threat a single Dalek has and imagine what an army could do if unleashed."
What they were gunning for with Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways, to build on that threat, and they did it extremely well given you already knew how unstoppable one was. Though there were only 2, 9th Doctor Dalek stories are in a class of their own.
Back when Doctor Who had proper writing. These days the Doctor shows up, shouts about how he's the Doctor and magically fixes everything, and everything is super quotable and every bullshit piece of dialogue could go on a t-shirt
Actually I think that was the reason why River told the Doctor "When you started all those years ago, did you ever think you would become this? That you would be able to turn an army around just by saying your name?" and he later deleted his name from all the databases... Because he simply became "too much"...
current show's high points are lower, but its low points are much higher. I personally preffer Russel's era, but it is in no way objectively superior writing. Just different
I have to disagree there Linkfanoftheyear. If the newest season has shown us anything, it's that the low points of Moffet's era are far below any of the low points of Davies' era.
Seriously almost every single episode of the newer season has been terrible, or almost terrible.
Spencer James Yep
Alex_Link Especially about that speech about kindness.
Knuckles: You captured the single most dangerous creature in the entire galaxy...and you set it free?
Van Statten: Exactly
Knuckles: ARE YOU CRAZY WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO!?
Van Statten: I guess were just gonna have to reason with it
This Episode Reminds Me Of Half Life
I would love to see 9th and 10th together
Van Statten: I'm Sorry.
9th Doctor: REEEEEE!!!!!!!
This episode was how Doctor Who should be. Tense, scary thrilling, good script and story, the minimum of banter.Unfortunately since then it has gone downhill and is now a glib camp comedy with silly storylines and scripts. The last Dalek story with Peter Capaldi has the embarrassing moment when the Doctor produced a cup of tea out of nowhere in the middle of the Dalek control room.
"o'course the real question is, where did I get the cup of tea? Answer: I'm the Doctor. Just accept it"
@@wyvern5890 exactly, it's just a complete sigh moment right there. When the script is so stupid even the head writer doesn't bother to explain it with wibbly wobbly timey whimey, just a "deal with it".
@@greypilgrim228 while is was pretty funny, it should've been left out altogether
I found that funny actually. Not the tea, the line that follows. "I'm the Doctor. Accept it"
I hate all the BS they made up on the spot about Daleks.
Words Daleks can't say: Human names. Mercy. Love.
Hold on, doesn't this Dalek cover all that? Ah fuck it. Who remembers 2005?
@@qualifiedidiots2165 And now Daleks can apparently laugh...
back when doctor who was real :(
Some great character here for Van Statten. Even after costing so many lives, he'd rather have the Dalek alive because of his need for it to be another one of his exhibits. He really thinks after torturing it, after watching it kill so many people without second thought, it'd be within reason and when he hears that the Dalek will kill 1 million people, he's in disbelief because he collected alien artifacts but never once tried to understand why, and combined with his lack of any human sympathy it baffles him because he never tried to understand, he just wanted to drag the stars down on the ground and label them under 20 feet of dirt.
And he only realises what he did wrong when his mistakes cost the life of an innocent nineteen year old girl who should have been unrelated.
I always thought it was a shame that Van Staten got his memory erased. I understand in the story its supposed to be poetic justice, but really I thought maybe the better way for his character was an epiphany.
And now Matt Smith’s Doctor can kill Daleks with blunt force trauma. I know the current series is awful, but I feel like the rot set in the moment they de powered the Daleks.
The Daleks definitely were de-powered in 2010-17, but there's never a moment where the 11th Doctor kills a Dalek with blunt force trauma.
The two Dalek episodes since 2018 have honestly restored the Daleks to their former power
Since when? Only time a Dalek ever got damaged by blunt force in the modern era was during Power of the Doctor, which was not only not caused by any of the Doctor’s, but it was only on the weakspot, the eye.
@@caseypitt1296 Perhaps @mossy642 is referring to when the War Doctor kills a Dalek vehicular manslaughter-style by ramming into it with his Tardis? That's from the 11th Doctor's run, even if it wasn't him killing the Dalek.
if Rose did die here, this could of made 9 become the time lord victorious, defy the rules of time to bring her back.
I don't think he would've tried to bring her back, if only because his mind wasn't as fully out of the Time War yet as Ten's was... but I absolutely agree that if Rose HAD died here, then the Doctor would've taken a turn for the worse from which he might've never recovered.
Because I watched I ytp, I thought he was going to say "tons of sas!" XD
You know, it wasn’t until this episode that I realize just how similar the Daleks are to the Nazis
To be fair, they were based off the Nazis ahaha
Eccleston and piper what a great combination
For me this is what makes the Daleks one of the most dangerous villains in Sci-Fi. Villains can be motivated by tragedy or even the pursuit of power but for the Daleks it's simple. Any life that is different from them must die because they honestly believe that they are not deserving of life and that their existence is completely wrong.
a lot of orange in this episode
piplup2009 omg😂😂😂😂😂
soldier: thank you doctor but I think I know how to fight one single tin robot.
Morgan Freeman: As it turns out he did not know how to fight one "single tin Robot".
My god, thats jason bourne.
Kieran Lancaster JESUS CHRIST IT'S JASON BORNE
"She was 19 years old" WRONG, she survived
"Doctor who is for kids"
"What's the nearest town"
"Salt Lake City"
"Ok let it out" 😂
No, not Salt Lake!
"What's the nearest town?"
"Salt Lake City."
"Population?"
"One Million."
"All Dead."
Me, who's been living in Salt Lake pretty much since the day I was born: Well... shit.
Nine and Rose were much more better than Ten and Rose. Ten was no good for Rose, She became exactly what she hated in Series 2, a Bystander. She was no longer the active individual she always knew she could be but never realised she had in her, she had become with 9. Their relationship was pure... "Goodbye then Doctor, I wouldn't have missed it for the world" ;). Nine challenged Rose's Horizons. Whereas with Ten she was a Damsel in Distress who needed saving by a Mr Mann.
@@sage7309Those episodes After her time with the doctor. I'm talking about during their relevant series' with the doctor
wow it's almost like the series is called DOCTOR WHO not ROSE.
the Tenth doctor and beyond is when the doctor started to become feared through out the universe
if anything the doctor in season 1 was so riddled with PTSD he had more in common with a scared beaten down dog than that of the highly confidant and ultra badass timelord victorious the later 3 incarnations later become.
yeah eccelston played the doctor amazingly but he was pretty much just the beginning doctor for the modern series arc.
Rose had some great moments in S2 though especially in Tooth and Claw, The Satan Pit and Fear Her
Legit every time I watch a Doctor who clip the comments are filled with complaints. If you don’t like the show don’t watch it. It’s that simple
Wise words.
while there is a lot of pointless complaining, many of us who prefer watching RTD's series criticize Moffat's because we care about the show and want it to be better. And sometimes complaining is justified. Moffat's era, for instance, had a lot of bigotry and harmful messaging that should be called out
Back when a Dalek was actually scary and not comic relief
Dalek: "Help... me!" *spins around helplessly as Captain Jack Harkness laughs*
Racists gone too far. Daleks in a nutshell
Eccleston > Capaldi (at least)
Tennent > Eccleston (Chris was good, but Tennant was the 2nd best. the 1st being Tom Baker)
@@specialunit0428 Eccleston was slightly better than Tennant
@@firstname1154 :)
Given better writing I bet Capaldi would've done better. Eccleston got incredible scripts like this, Capaldi had to make do with what they gave him.
@@cameroncaws5959 I love Capaldi as an actor but he was too musical theatre as the Doctor. Apart from that one war speech, his monologues got very repetitive and overdramatic. Christopher had fantastic delivery because he felt raw and real.
Omg the bad guy in this was in the Mummy 1999 your all most welcome
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Hello, person from 4 years ago! 😁
Why not reason with it?
This was the episode where they reacon Christopher Eccleston Really nailed the essence of the Doctor!
Nope! Not really!
A Dalek is basically Hitler on steroids.
Terry Nation did base the Daleks off of the Nazis. So...
Dr who started its decline with Matt Smith he was 100% crap and his storys was badly written bore snores unless it was against the daleks or cybermen he was utter garbage and that bad writing followed into capaldis turn.
wrong wrong and oh look ultra wrong and entirely subjective
yeah the writing was off here and there but doctor who series 5 6 7 8 9 and 10 where all great and had some truly amazing moments. Mat t was amazing in his own right every doctor is none is objectively better than the other.
@@michaelkean5969 Nah, the writing for 11th and 12th sounded like someone smelling their own farts and literally the female companions wanted to fuck him.
Agreed S6 and ESPECIALLY S7B onwards the writing lost its way. S8-10 was diabolical and S11 onwards is utterly unwatchable.
@@hollywark2885 So you’re saying that every Series since 6 has had bad writing? I’m curious to why you think that.
@@SteelSpurs Because those were very boring and unnecessary complicated. None of the stories past the 10th Doctor hooked me like those from 1 to 4. Honestly, there were some episodes where I thought I'll fall asleep. But that's my opinion.
Back when the daleks were this mysterious dark evil creature that would wipe out an entire city on its own. now you need 12 just to kill 1
The Jester Why did you make the same comment twice?
Hello. It probably wasn't his fault. I have had the same problem where I try and post a comment and it says something like "Comment failed to post." So I try again just to find out that the original one did post and I have posted two times.
@@doctorwhofan1989 I've seen that happen a few other times.
I've read someone that back when Daleks were created in the 60's it wasn't yet a custom for the rights for the monsters to be passed to BBC, so someone independent is now holding the rights to Dalek imagery; and that they require Doctor Who to include a Dalek episode with a certain frequency under the threat of not allowing Dalek episodes at all. So I imagine that when writers are forced to write episodes about Daleks too often, they need to bump the threat to make them more than "just another Dalek episode", hence more and more Daleks, or a special Dalek, or a Dalek cult, and all that; but they still need to get defeated by the Doctor, and they still must not kill major characters (although imo they could). So their threatening aura wears off
Need 12 what just to kill 1 what?