Saw a lot of comments wondering how Davh lost when he had the broken OP chariots. It is because he was using them the way chariots are supposed to be used. Charging them through units and moving away etc. The broken part of them REALLY comes into play when you leave them tightly packed in sustained combat and the bugged extra attacks comes into play. OP either way but stupid OP if just brainlessly piled into the blob in a tight stack and left there.
UnreasonableOpinions is right, the problem was not with the generic Chariots, it was only with the character mounts and Dahv only had one of those, which got gooned by the skinwolves. Because matter of fact is, you *have* to use them like proper chariots, they aren't gonna do well if you just leave them sitting around and let them get charged by a unit that is basically custom-made to shred chariots.
too bad norscan trolls are all dog schnitzel, i wish throgg actually had some of his campaign monster buffs so he actually had a reason to run them, because as is theyre just an expensive liability.
@@ryanchallenger2904 he cannot truly be called the troll king without commanding all variants of trolls imo >.>, ooh, maybe give him a mechanic like Rakarth, where when he fights other factions, he can take their faction specific trolls after the battle.
@@JM..... Not only 1, but 3 of them............... That being said, I imagine the "bug" lies in the damage vs heavy armor and cavalry, so I guess its "working as intended" vs Berserkers, but I think the Werekin probably got punished way too hard (and probably Throgg too although they weren't up in on them that much) Edit: Apparently the bug is in extra attack in longer/sustained combat, while charging like normal should yield close to normal results
Not troll chief. Troll king! *King* ! Kidding aside, it's nice to see Throgg perform well with how much Norsca is being memed to hell and back lol. And I can't wait to get my hands on the new content, though to be fair I might actually be most excited for the dwarf update of all things.
It’s probably my favorite elder scrolls. Really only thing I need to play it is the facial appearance mod, won’t go back to mashed potato faces. Great quests, best DLC ever, hilariously broken spell crafting.
To be a bit unfair, Morrowind has aged terribly and I can't play it. While there's a lot of fun lore to it, I often find that people are desperate to fanboy it's lore because they believe it's super deep when it's really not.
Hello fellas, is there a keybind or whatever to make your units attack in a straight line? I mean like having i.e. 3 units or spearman selected and you want to attack into a direction with them three mantaining the formation. Ty
What I usually do is put them in a group locked in formation with ctrl+g and then they’ll do that. Not sure if there’s another way to make them do that while not being in a group
Regarding the inconsistent damage for Traitor-Kin. All direct damage abilities in the game have both a stat for how often they tick and another for the chance to actually deal damage each tick so yes it does largely come down to rng. To give some examples for comparison, Arcane Unforging ticks every 2 seconds with a 50% chance to deal damage each time. Final Transmutation ticks every 1 second also with a 50% chance. Traitor Kin pre patch ticks every 2 seconds with a 17% to deal damage each tick. If it still feels inconsistent in the new patch then chances are that the % chance is still just quite low.
If I'm not mistaken Legend used traitor kin against infantry masses as opposed to single targets. The tooltip might have been forgotten about in the beta update
If you think about it, the Throgg+Werekin tag team is straight-up nasty for gooning out large targets. Both have brutally high anti-large and both are gonna hit with over 80 MA and 450+ WS against large opponents, both are gonna be regenerating, the Skinwolf is also ITP, they are both fairly quick and have higher health than average infantry characters. The regen of course means that Taurox got to hit a little harder, but he still ran into a straight-up blender and would have died in seconds without his defensive buff popped.
yeah unfortunately nakai is just a bag of trash, breaks my heart, he was one of the lords i looked forward to the most in the game (though i wanted him to be a hero like the green knight BECAUSE THATS WHAT HE IS. hes just supposed to show up wherever the lizards are in danger and save them, and he has never lead an army, hes not smart enough) but anyway. if he were a legendary hero instead of a lord you could bring a life slann with him and make him a bit more worth the investment, but as is he loses to pretty much every character worth their salt in the game.
@@jake120007 CA should really stop insisting on making the headline characters of DLCs into Legendary Lords. I don't think anyone would be upset if Nakai and Snikch (I'm sure there are others too) got demoted to Legendary Heroes and those factions got some low-budget 1-step-above-generic Legendary Lords.
I cannot describe my dissapointment when I bought Nakai dlc. They made Nakai absolute trash, he is so weak and expensive for nothing. What a disgrace to such a great character from Warhammer universe... ( I was hoping that they will improve him with this lizardmen dlc, but of course they didnt touch him)
Beautiful battle! Norsca really needs an update now. Maybe the Monstrous/Caster Lord you talked baout once, would love to see a Balefiend Caster Lord hopefully Lore of Beasts. How does Norsca not have access to Lore of Beasts? Thass crazy. Also perhaps a Marauder Champion Lord, I love the unit models for the champions too bad you rarely see them.
When testing vs the AI, you should set the AI to the attacker (so it doesn't sit back and wait till the last second to charge) and test on a completely flap map, like that frozen lake one. It didn't look like Throgg got his full charge bonus there, and he was fighting uphill for most of the fight.
I really think what lost dahv most of the initiative was refusing to dodge burning head. So many times he should have at least tried to move out of the way, if only he saw in time
in the 1 on 1 duel Throgg did a loty better than I expected. Taurox has flaming attacks, so he is doing 25% more damage to creatures with regen like Throgg.
Judging from that fight it´s actually a Throgg victory since he wouldn´t stay around and would regen to reengage later, I wasn´t that surprised though, Throgg performs extremely well in the campaigns I have done with him. Too bad his trolls suck.
Yeah, but you gotta keep in mind that Throgg 1: Has better starting stats 2: Has a massive anti-large bonus which both helps to even the odds by a lot.
@@darthplagueis13 how big is throgg's BonusvLarge? Yea base stats wise Throgg has a little more melee attack and defense, but after buffs Taurox has more attack. And in both cases they have much more attack than the other's defense, so it should more or less come down to a dps race. Add to that weapon strength is the one area even bas that taurox has the advantage. And with his buff that is increased futher to 575 for taurox, and 495 for throgg. That is before the 25% vulnerability to fire. With both doing so much AP, armor doesn't matter much anymore, but taurox has that ward save from brass body. I don't remember what sort of resistances Throgg has, but just looking at the numbers, I stand by the fact that on paper this shouldn't have even been close.
@@sassyviking6003 Throggs anti-large sits at 28, meaning his effective WS against Taurox is 523. Which, granted, is still lower than what Taurox can cause due to his fire damage, but it also factors into melee attack. Throgg's effective melee attack against large targets is 88 and Taurox has only 47 melee defence, meaning Throgg has a massive chance to hit. On the other hand, Throgg has a flat 50 melee defence and Taurox starts off at only 53 melee attack, meaning his chance to hit is not significantly increased until he gets his various buffs going which takes a while. Plus, Throgg has more health and can recover it. In an actual battle where Throgg has the opportunity to retreat from the engagement when it turns bad or back-up from another hero like the Werekin, he's pretty much always gonna be able to beat Taurox in the long run.
@@darthplagueis13 oh, in a normal battle where he can peel or has werekin backup, sure, of course he would win. My comments were strictly about the, admittedly unrealistic, scenario of the straight slugfest duel we had.
Ive only really played SFO for over a year now, but its just so much QoL stuff that spells show you exact damage values and chances and shit. They really should give you that in vanilla.
@@mombabomba2612 Yes it does. It shows that flock of doom does this amount of damage with this chance to tick to 14 models or something. So 15- and above units.... Not sure if it was actually flock of doom but you get the point.
what all of these people said, but also cheap anti large missiles. in the form of javelins. and mammoths are the best infantry munchers in the game (that might go to the jabberslythe now, because it has a mortis engine effect idk)
There was a buff to mass for chariots and maybe cav iirc I believe it is the single entity chariots for the beastmen, like when you take a hero on one, that are overperforming, not the actual chariot units themselves.
Probably depends on a few factors, but I can certainly see Grimgor etch it out. He's got better melee attack and charge bonus from the get go, he can manage to achieve an unholy amount of damage output with Gitsnik and he can utterly demolish his opponents melee defence (plus, he gets a bit of passive damage resist and melee defence when fighting enemy characters). I think one big factor is gonna be how both would go about using their abilities. As Taurox, you'd want to make sure to use the Brass Body to counteract the stat nuke from You're Next whereas as Grimgor you'd want to probably bait the Brass Body and use You're Next after it has ended. I think a player controlled Grimgor is pretty much always gonna win whereas it might be a bit more difficult for a player controlled Taurox to pull it off, so I see Grimgor at a slight advantage.
I haven't seen the video yet, just want to say that I will be very disappointed if Throgg gets defeated by Taurox. Throgg beat friggin Sigvald in a duel, one of the main chaos badies in the warhammer world. As tough as Taurox may be, Throgg is tougher!
Calling it now (before watching the outcome). Bm win. If for nothing else than how broken wargors on charriots are (quite literally broken as in bugged) Edit: i stand corrected. Losing the wargor taurox in such inefficient matters cost Davh the game. Until wargor is fixed I'd rather not see him on a carriot in mp still. Kinda invalidates the result unless the opponent somehow manages to win (as seen here)
@@jake120007 yeah, though I'd argue that's not half as bad since you can easily kill one if focused (quite large and not all that durable) , while wargors trade double or tripple upwards in value (against units they shouldn't trade up against)
DLC Prediction for TWW3 Introducing Halflings vs. Josef Bugman Scenario: Josef Bugman got a personal grudge against the halflings because they deny that his beer is the best beer in the old world. The halflings wrote a official letter to Bugman that they won´t sell his beer in their realm. Josef marches on towards a crusade against the Halflings :)
“Ice Age Comes!”
“Except for you, Burning Head dude, you can stay”
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fun stuff turin. your showmanship really is what gives this game so much staying power.
7:28 Does Taurox grab his throat when he dies? That's a nice touch.
Saw a lot of comments wondering how Davh lost when he had the broken OP chariots. It is because he was using them the way chariots are supposed to be used. Charging them through units and moving away etc. The broken part of them REALLY comes into play when you leave them tightly packed in sustained combat and the bugged extra attacks comes into play. OP either way but stupid OP if just brainlessly piled into the blob in a tight stack and left there.
I thought it was only the character versions that had bugged attacks, not the regular one.
UnreasonableOpinions is right, the problem was not with the generic Chariots, it was only with the character mounts and Dahv only had one of those, which got gooned by the skinwolves. Because matter of fact is, you *have* to use them like proper chariots, they aren't gonna do well if you just leave them sitting around and let them get charged by a unit that is basically custom-made to shred chariots.
Throgg the Troll King without Trolls just seems....unnatural
too bad norscan trolls are all dog schnitzel, i wish throgg actually had some of his campaign monster buffs so he actually had a reason to run them, because as is theyre just an expensive liability.
@@jake120007 Give my guy some Stone Trolls! They're so good for Orcs hah
@@ryanchallenger2904 he cannot truly be called the troll king without commanding all variants of trolls imo >.>, ooh, maybe give him a mechanic like Rakarth, where when he fights other factions, he can take their faction specific trolls after the battle.
just like his fucked up voice, quotes and beerbelly
It's all CA's fault, lul
@@coaiemandushman1079 Yeah he didn't really have that beer belly.
The dreaded war gor chariot strikes again
I hope they fix that
Mhmn, feels like poor taste to take that until its patched
@@JM..... Not only 1, but 3 of them...............
That being said, I imagine the "bug" lies in the damage vs heavy armor and cavalry, so I guess its "working as intended" vs Berserkers, but I think the Werekin probably got punished way too hard (and probably Throgg too although they weren't up in on them that much)
Edit: Apparently the bug is in extra attack in longer/sustained combat, while charging like normal should yield close to normal results
Not troll chief. Troll king! *King* !
Kidding aside, it's nice to see Throgg perform well with how much Norsca is being memed to hell and back lol. And I can't wait to get my hands on the new content, though to be fair I might actually be most excited for the dwarf update of all things.
everytime this kind of matchup turns up, I feel like Empire just sits back, relax, grabs a beer and let it happen haha
Taurox: So Throgg, how does it feel to be part of the worst faction in the game now? Sucks doesn't it?
Chaos warriors crying in the corner
Well the beastmen were quite tied with norsca till now so saying that to Throgg its quite mean Taurox.. (MP)
@@undermuh Chaos are fine in multiplayer
@@-Triumph Norsca was way better than beastmen pre dlc, they were the second best rush down faction in the game, only behind greenskins.
@@jake120007 they are a crappy faction lol
Now we need to see Taurox against characters like Kholek, Grimgor, and Tyrion.
Vengeance of the Beastmen now we need him to kill skarsnik and his vengeance will be complete
With proper Wintertooth Crown use on Throgg I feel like it’s an incredibly even fight
Modryn Oreyn. What a nostalgic bit. everyone loves Skyrim and all the hipsters love Morrowind. Not enough love for Oblivion, Dahv.
All these years later and I still remember this character. Idk why I liked him so much. His helmet was cool af
Because oblivion is the black sheep. Streamlined too much from morrow ind, but still clunky and unaccessible unlike Skyrim.
It’s probably my favorite elder scrolls. Really only thing I need to play it is the facial appearance mod, won’t go back to mashed potato faces.
Great quests, best DLC ever, hilariously broken spell crafting.
To be a bit unfair, Morrowind has aged terribly and I can't play it. While there's a lot of fun lore to it, I often find that people are desperate to fanboy it's lore because they believe it's super deep when it's really not.
@@samuelkristensen6685 no its just that the quests aren't made for babies and are one of the last RPGS with complex quest structures and objectives
6:48 The natural result when a wolf has a head on collision with a charging bison.
Taurax has such a delicate run animation. He looks like he is elegantly trotting in the daisies
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Hello fellas, is there a keybind or whatever to make your units attack in a straight line?
I mean like having i.e. 3 units or spearman selected and you want to attack into a direction with them three mantaining the formation.
Ty
What I usually do is put them in a group locked in formation with ctrl+g and then they’ll do that. Not sure if there’s another way to make them do that while not being in a group
Regarding the inconsistent damage for Traitor-Kin. All direct damage abilities in the game have both a stat for how often they tick and another for the chance to actually deal damage each tick so yes it does largely come down to rng.
To give some examples for comparison, Arcane Unforging ticks every 2 seconds with a 50% chance to deal damage each time. Final Transmutation ticks every 1 second also with a 50% chance. Traitor Kin pre patch ticks every 2 seconds with a 17% to deal damage each tick. If it still feels inconsistent in the new patch then chances are that the % chance is still just quite low.
If I'm not mistaken Legend used traitor kin against infantry masses as opposed to single targets. The tooltip might have been forgotten about in the beta update
If you think about it, the Throgg+Werekin tag team is straight-up nasty for gooning out large targets. Both have brutally high anti-large and both are gonna hit with over 80 MA and 450+ WS against large opponents, both are gonna be regenerating, the Skinwolf is also ITP, they are both fairly quick and have higher health than average infantry characters.
The regen of course means that Taurox got to hit a little harder, but he still ran into a straight-up blender and would have died in seconds without his defensive buff popped.
When testing units if you put yourself on the defending team the ai should come to you
The burning heads though ha, not a single one was dodged that day!
Didn't I already hear how taurox can even destroy nakai (which I sorely wish they could make a closer fight). This duel would be hilarious
yeah unfortunately nakai is just a bag of trash, breaks my heart, he was one of the lords i looked forward to the most in the game (though i wanted him to be a hero like the green knight BECAUSE THATS WHAT HE IS. hes just supposed to show up wherever the lizards are in danger and save them, and he has never lead an army, hes not smart enough) but anyway. if he were a legendary hero instead of a lord you could bring a life slann with him and make him a bit more worth the investment, but as is he loses to pretty much every character worth their salt in the game.
@@jake120007 CA should really stop insisting on making the headline characters of DLCs into Legendary Lords. I don't think anyone would be upset if Nakai and Snikch (I'm sure there are others too) got demoted to Legendary Heroes and those factions got some low-budget 1-step-above-generic Legendary Lords.
I cannot describe my dissapointment when I bought Nakai dlc. They made Nakai absolute trash, he is so weak and expensive for nothing. What a disgrace to such a great character from Warhammer universe... ( I was hoping that they will improve him with this lizardmen dlc, but of course they didnt touch him)
4:00 he is also loosing bc of the javelins
and at 7:25 Taurox made a a chou chou train steam sound ! Nicely done CA
How anyone can lose with a wargor chariot in their army is beyond me
Is it just me or does Taurox look like he happily skips around? He's an all happy and innocent morderous giant bronze bull!
Beastmen still being the sad moo sound made material lmao
Beautiful battle! Norsca really needs an update now. Maybe the Monstrous/Caster Lord you talked baout once, would love to see a Balefiend Caster Lord hopefully Lore of Beasts. How does Norsca not have access to Lore of Beasts? Thass crazy. Also perhaps a Marauder Champion Lord, I love the unit models for the champions too bad you rarely see them.
When testing vs the AI, you should set the AI to the attacker (so it doesn't sit back and wait till the last second to charge) and test on a completely flap map, like that frozen lake one. It didn't look like Throgg got his full charge bonus there, and he was fighting uphill for most of the fight.
The heavyweight showdown of the century.
Man these last days leading up to release are SOOOOO painful, I am sitting here bored out of my mind and I want to play with the new content so bad !
Throgg should have had a stack of ice trolls and femir.
Man was hoping taurox wouldn’t have been thrown away like that at the start
Man, you cant just switch view when a blob is about to be roasted!
I really think what lost dahv most of the initiative was refusing to dodge burning head. So many times he should have at least tried to move out of the way, if only he saw in time
I guess it wasn't cruicial this time, but when you cast burning head over Throgg you stopped his regen.
in the 1 on 1 duel Throgg did a loty better than I expected. Taurox has flaming attacks, so he is doing 25% more damage to creatures with regen like Throgg.
Judging from that fight it´s actually a Throgg victory since he wouldn´t stay around and would regen to reengage later, I wasn´t that surprised though, Throgg performs extremely well in the campaigns I have done with him. Too bad his trolls suck.
Yeah, but you gotta keep in mind that Throgg
1: Has better starting stats
2: Has a massive anti-large bonus
which both helps to even the odds by a lot.
@@darthplagueis13 how big is throgg's BonusvLarge? Yea base stats wise Throgg has a little more melee attack and defense, but after buffs Taurox has more attack. And in both cases they have much more attack than the other's defense, so it should more or less come down to a dps race. Add to that weapon strength is the one area even bas that taurox has the advantage. And with his buff that is increased futher to 575 for taurox, and 495 for throgg. That is before the 25% vulnerability to fire. With both doing so much AP, armor doesn't matter much anymore, but taurox has that ward save from brass body. I don't remember what sort of resistances Throgg has, but just looking at the numbers, I stand by the fact that on paper this shouldn't have even been close.
@@sassyviking6003 Throggs anti-large sits at 28, meaning his effective WS against Taurox is 523. Which, granted, is still lower than what Taurox can cause due to his fire damage, but it also factors into melee attack.
Throgg's effective melee attack against large targets is 88 and Taurox has only 47 melee defence, meaning Throgg has a massive chance to hit.
On the other hand, Throgg has a flat 50 melee defence and Taurox starts off at only 53 melee attack, meaning his chance to hit is not significantly increased until he gets his various buffs going which takes a while.
Plus, Throgg has more health and can recover it.
In an actual battle where Throgg has the opportunity to retreat from the engagement when it turns bad or back-up from another hero like the Werekin, he's pretty much always gonna be able to beat Taurox in the long run.
@@darthplagueis13 oh, in a normal battle where he can peel or has werekin backup, sure, of course he would win. My comments were strictly about the, admittedly unrealistic, scenario of the straight slugfest duel we had.
Did they nerf the damage of burning skull? It still seems like a very powerful spell, but less impactful overall
Throgg vs Taurox is totally Barkley vs Godzilla reborn!
Ive only really played SFO for over a year now, but its just so much QoL stuff that spells show you exact damage values and chances and shit.
They really should give you that in vanilla.
@@mombabomba2612 Yes it does. It shows that flock of doom does this amount of damage with this chance to tick to 14 models or something. So 15- and above units.... Not sure if it was actually flock of doom but you get the point.
What is so special about Norsca, compared to Beastmen and Greenskins now?
They do have lore of fire, and…. hmm.
Mammoths, Skin Wolves and Burning Head I'd say. Not much else.
Mammoths and werewolves
what all of these people said, but also cheap anti large missiles. in the form of javelins. and mammoths are the best infantry munchers in the game (that might go to the jabberslythe now, because it has a mortis engine effect idk)
On top of what everyone else has said, they have armour-sundering monstrous infantry and monstrous spellcasters with AoE spells.
Are all chariots buffed? Initially the TH-camrs said only the boar chariots of Greenskins and Beastmen were buffed. Are Tuskgor chariots still broken?
There was a buff to mass for chariots and maybe cav iirc
I believe it is the single entity chariots for the beastmen, like when you take a hero on one, that are overperforming, not the actual chariot units themselves.
've heard the sound design of Taurox is quite nice. Is that true?
Traitor kin is better against multiple entities, single entities won't suffer much
I so can't wait for the beastmen update. I don't even care if it messes up my mods. I'll play them without them lol
I don’t care who wins, Taurox’s last moments were just, it’s a victory of style
The Wargor chariots still broken? Lol
Taurox vs Grimgor, 1vs1. That's the fight I want to see
Probably depends on a few factors, but I can certainly see Grimgor etch it out. He's got better melee attack and charge bonus from the get go, he can manage to achieve an unholy amount of damage output with Gitsnik and he can utterly demolish his opponents melee defence (plus, he gets a bit of passive damage resist and melee defence when fighting enemy characters).
I think one big factor is gonna be how both would go about using their abilities. As Taurox, you'd want to make sure to use the Brass Body to counteract the stat nuke from You're Next whereas as Grimgor you'd want to probably bait the Brass Body and use You're Next after it has ended.
I think a player controlled Grimgor is pretty much always gonna win whereas it might be a bit more difficult for a player controlled Taurox to pull it off, so I see Grimgor at a slight advantage.
@@darthplagueis13 I see, I guess it's more one sided than I thought...
if throgg was not weak to fire i think he would have won that test duel. not bad
I haven't seen the video yet, just want to say that I will be very disappointed if Throgg gets defeated by Taurox. Throgg beat friggin Sigvald in a duel, one of the main chaos badies in the warhammer world. As tough as Taurox may be, Throgg is tougher!
Calling it now (before watching the outcome). Bm win. If for nothing else than how broken wargors on charriots are (quite literally broken as in bugged)
Edit: i stand corrected. Losing the wargor taurox in such inefficient matters cost Davh the game. Until wargor is fixed I'd rather not see him on a carriot in mp still. Kinda invalidates the result unless the opponent somehow manages to win (as seen here)
same with the priest on the trogladon who shoots twice.
@@jake120007 yeah, though I'd argue that's not half as bad since you can easily kill one if focused (quite large and not all that durable) , while wargors trade double or tripple upwards in value (against units they shouldn't trade up against)
This early access period has been way too long in my opinion.
Its making me jelly
Yeah the promo for this DLC has been super poor on CAs end
But Taurox vs Nakai is the real deal
DLC Prediction for TWW3
Introducing Halflings vs. Josef Bugman
Scenario:
Josef Bugman got a personal grudge against the halflings because they deny that his beer is the best beer in the old world.
The halflings wrote a official letter to Bugman that they won´t sell his beer in their realm.
Josef marches on towards a crusade against the Halflings :)
this thumbnail makes me unhappy, how dare you insult throgg by putting him on goldbergs body lol
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