Ιστορικός παραλληλισμός του Γεωργίου Καστριώτη ("Σκεντέρμπεη") και του Μάρκου Μπότσαρη
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Γρηγόρη Νικηφ. Κοσσυβάκη
με θέμα:
"Ιστορικός παραλληλισμός Γεωργίου Καστριώτη («Σκεντέρμπεη») και Μάρκου Μπότσαρη"
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η ΑΝΝΑ ΜΠΟΥΡΑΤΖΗ-ΘΩΔΑ
(μέλος του ΔΣ της ΕΕΛ)
ο ΠΑΥΛΟΣ ΝΑΘΑΝΑΗΛ
(Αντιπρόεδρος της ΕΕΛ)
Συντονιστής ο
ΑΥΓΕΡΙΝΟΣ ΑΝΔΡΕΟΥ
(πρ. πρόεδρος της ΕΕΛ, νυν μέλος του ΔΣ).
Η εκδήλωση έγινε την ΔΕΥΤΕΡΑ 27.11.2017, και ώρα 19:00 στην αίθουσα
«Μιχαήλας Αβέρωφ», στην Εταιρεία Ελλήνων Λογοτεχνών (ΕΕΛ), εν Αθήναις.
ΚΑΜΕΡΑ-ΗΧΟΣ
Παναγιώτης Μπανταλάκης
Γιώργος Χρονάκης.
ΜΟΝΤΑΖ
Παναγιώτης Μπανταλάκης
ΜΟΥΣΙΚΗ
DG & SG
ΑΡΧΕΙΟΝ ΠΟΛΙΤΙΣΜΟΥ
c+p 2017
Κύριε Κοσσυβάκι σε αυχαρειστω γιά τήν σημαντική ιστορική ενημέρωση , με κάνατε ακόμα πιο περήφανο Έλληνα .
Κατάγεσθε από ηρωική οικογένεια .
Η εταιρεία σας καί άλλοι όπως εσείς δεν μπορείτε νά κάμετε παρεμβάσεις στο "υπουργείο" παιδείας να μαθαίνουν τά παιδιά μας τήν ιστορία μας ;
Νά εκπαιδεύουν τά σχολεία μας Έλληνες ;
Δυσσέας Ο Θήρας
Έλληνας πολίτης
Συγχαριτηρια κύριε καθηγητά!! Βάλατε τα πράγματα στην θέση τους... Μάθημα για όλους τους Έλληνες και ειδικότερα για εμάς τους Αρβανίτες που στιριξαμε τον βασιλιά μας Γεώργιο Καστριώτη.. Και όλα αυτά τα επίθετα που παραθέσετε είναι ζωντανά στα χωριά μας!!! Ευγε
Επειδή είχε χριστιανικό όνομα δεν σημαίνει ότι ήταν ελλινικο με την ίδια λογική και ο George Bush ήταν Έλληνας το πραγματικό του όνομα ήταν Γεώργιος Μπούσης και επισης ο ηθοποιός Johnny Deep ήταν και αυτός Έλληνας Ιωάννης Ντίπης και όσο για το επίθετο του Shkenderbe η λέξη κάστρο δεν ήταν ελλινικη αλλά Λατινική
Η λέξη «κάστρο» προέρχεται από το λατινικό castrum (πληθυντικός: castra) που χρησιμοποιούσαν οι Ρωμαίοι για να περιγράψουν κάθε είδος στρατιωτικής εγκατάστασης και στρατόπεδα. Οι Βυζαντινοί κληρονόμησαν τον όρο castrum, τον ελληνοποίησαν και σαν «κάστρο» τον κληροδότησαν στην Νέα Ελληνική γλώσσα.
@@someonebehindyou7323 Γεώργιος δεν είναι μόνο χριστιανικό όνομα είναι αρχαιοελληνικό όνομα που βγάνει από την λέξη Γεωργός και θεότητα ΓΕΑ ...
@@giorgo1990ify όποτε και ο George Bush ήταν Έλληνας αφού είναι ελλινικο έτσι δεν είναι ;
@@someonebehindyou7323 αλλο bush και άλλο το Καστριώτης
@@giorgo1990ify δες το καστριοτης από που βγαίνει το έγραψα πάνω
Ο πόλεμος έγινε στη βόρεια Αλβανία όπου όλοι οι Τούρκοι χρονικοί τις εποχής αναφέρονται στο Σκεντερμπεη ως Αρναβουντ
If Albania and Greece were United as in ancient times would be a economic and geographical power no just in the region but in the whole Europe.
The establishment don't want the unification and they always in force populism and nationalism to stop any idea of it.
Political circumstances have put a wedge between the two nations. There must be cooperation on a political, historical and cultural level. They both number among the oldest nations in Europe, if not the world.
@@Albertbucaj1628 Albania is a new nation . Albanians have Slavic Serbian blood and no connection with Illyrians . Don’t believe that shit
can someone summerize this pls??
Ένα λάθος έκανες κύριε: Για Τι ο τάφος του Καστριοτι έινε στη Λεζα (Αλεσιο) και όχι στη Κρουγια ,
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Because he died there from malaria and he couldn't be moved
Regarding the Albanian nobility that was supposed to be Greek just because they may or may have not moved from Constantinople to Albania. Albanians lived in Constantinople as well...the name of the city come from Constantinos as you well know, who was an Illyrian by Origin. The Roman empire had almost 20 emperors of Illyrian origin, and you think Byzantium wouldn't have Illyrian/Albanian noble families??!
Illyrian is greek, Albanian it's from Caucasus
@FACE caucasien is the the définition of white race,nobody tall you you weren't white
He just told you..autochtone its divided in a=asht toch=tok tone=tone...so translated in englisht atoktone=its our land or we are in our land.
@έτερος εγω what does that mean?...its true that we are useing more foreing words than ours but our language has its own words for every singel word writen there in latin...but thats bullshit people think they are smart or cool when they use foreing language words now the younger speak half english half albanian they think they are cool...but whats sure albanian language has its own words for every singel word writen there.
@@dimitrisorestis2983 If Albanians are from Caucasus how come they still speak the language spoken by ancient Greeks??
Ps: Caucasus Albanians or known as Udi people are still there today and they define themselves culturally and linguistically as Armenians.
It’s very superficial and amateurish to come to your conclusion based just on the name Albania. Ancient Scotland was also named Albania.
Ps: Albani is just one tribe of Illyrians/ Pelasgians.
I don't understand a thing. What are they saying? I can get just a few names like Gjergj Kastrioti, Marko Bocari and Progoni. What are they saying about them? Can someone translate? And who are these people ?
I can give you a short summary: That Greek scholar (the one who speaks most in the video) believes that Albanians and Greeks both derived from the Pelasgians. He said that Albanians speak the language of Homer's time without knowing that and even in Greece that idiom was spoken back in time. When it comes to Scanderbeg it is a bit a complicated case. However, he supports the possibility that Kastrioti was Greek-Serbian and not Arberore by origins. Anyway, whatever you think about his thoughts he backups his ideas with good arguments. Also a big part of the presentation was above the Byzantine/Eastern Roman empire time and the link to modern Greek/Rhomios/Ellines identity and to what extent Botsaris is related to them.
@@a.berisha9407 Skenderbeu a Greek Serbian now? WTF? What arguments are there for this, when only in Greece and Serbia there are no statues of him, but all around Europe there is a statue of him? When Kastrioti descendants call themselves Albanians and carry around Albanian flag? What possibly good arguments are out there, ( is it about the name )?
Anyway, thanks for your translation!👍
@@liljanasufaj4130well first of all just because you built hundreds of years later a statue that doesn't make them albanians, second is thst he never called himself albanian but epirotian and epirotians were always known as greeks throughout history, they spoke greek and called others non greeks barbarians, they would indeed at times take in barbarian wives but never did they give their daughters into barbarian families.
Also the names are 100% greek so the only "evidence" you have is a statue build recently ?
@Alex-ny1qg Epirotes were never " Greeks" no matter haw hard you are trying to portray them as Greeks. The fact that they knew how to speak Koine ( Modern Greek) alongside the Albanian language it doesn't make them Greeks, the same as me writing in English here it doesn't make me an English person. It is exactly the same as English language of today used as an official language around the world, the same was Koine ( Modern Greek language) used from the Romans as the official language of Eastern Roman Empire or the Bizantium.
The Epirotes may not have called themselves Albanians the same as Albanians of Albania who never called themselves Albanians until the creation of the Albanian state,( we still don't call ourselves Albanians but Shqipetare in our language, foreigners call us Albanians) but they were called according to their tribe names Epirotes, Arvanites, Macedonians, Illyrians etc.
BUT, all these tribes had something in common. They all spoke Albanian language and you should know that Albanian language was never an international language, it wasn't learnt or written in any of the schools so there was no need for someone to learn Albanian unless you WERE BORN in an Albanian family........
@@liljanasufaj4130 well you are wrong,,, epriotes where always 100% dorian greeks... they participated in the olympic games and they had the same heritage, culture, believes and language... Phyrros campaign was to support the greek colonies in magna grecia (south italy)... if you would care about historical accuracy and truth you woudnt dare calling them something else than greeks... i am from Epirus and half arvanitis which is as greek as greek can be... foreign powers artficially made a Nation without an specific ethnicity its todays Albania...
@costas albanes:
έστιν ουν η Ελλάς και η Μακεδονία, Στράβων, 63 π.χ.
Πολλά απ’αυτά που έγραψες είναι ανακρίβειες.
Όμως το οτι έχουμε κοινές ρίζες, οτι είμαστε αδέρφια και θέλουν να είμαστε χωρισμένοι είναι γεγονός!
Ma ti mas lete,akoma ke ton Kastrioti ton kanate Elina,Bravo sas,,,,,,,,,,,,,eprepe na to zisume ke afto,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Sovarologjite akoma ke to Kastrioti,Mia pu ine Elin jati dhen eqi agalma stin Eladha mu lete,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
yes he was a real albanian and in his letters was represented him self as a the last greek epirotis to defend Byzantium from the invaders wild Turks
He was Alvanian and his ring say in GREEK Βασιλευς των ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ , των Ρωμιων
Bytheway he was a real Albanian and you learn about him from greek writes in 19 cenury
And your first book was middle 20s from Italians fascists in order to have a hero..
Έλληνας λογιόταν ο Καστριωτης! Πρόγονο τον Πυρρο θεωρούσε και σαν πρότυπο είχε τον Μέγα Αλεξανδρο!
There are written letters from Skenderbei, sent to Italian noblemen of the time, where he calls himself an Albanian (not a Greek, not a Serb, not a Turk or Bulgarian)...he calls himself an Albanian, and a descendant of Alexander the Great and of Piro. And he specifically talks about the Albanian nation, not about Greek or whatever lies you guys want to make up. Let me know if you dont believe it and I will send you a link of one of those letters... Arvanite/Arberesh/Albanians...one nation. Thank you for wanting us to be part of your Greek history but please dont push things this far.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He wrote to the Nobleman of Taranto(i guess you mean him): "I am the Descendant of EPIROT'S which were led by PYRRHUS OF EPIRUS. The King who came and crushed your Ancestors, the Roman's." He didnt mentioned Albania or Illyria.
He was greek Serbian..
@@phalanga1821 precisely..he was greek Serbian..relativ of palaiologos and his roots was from South Peloponnese, Mani...the poor Albanians are trying to creat history by stealing. 😂😂😂😂😂
@@phalanga1821 "Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. My elders were from Epirus, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies.
If our chronicles do not lie we call ourselves Epiroti. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty" happy now? Search online for the original or coppy of the letter written in Latin..
7.35 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Επειδή είχε χριστιανικό όνομα δεν σημαίνει ότι ήταν ελλινικο με την ίδια λογική και ο George Bush ήταν Έλληνας το πραγματικό του όνομα ήταν Γεώργιος Μπούσης και επισης ο ηθοποιός Johnny Deep ήταν και αυτός Έλληνας Ιωάννης Ντίπης και όσο για το επίθετο του Shkenderbe η λέξη κάστρο δεν ήταν ελλινικη αλλά Λατινική
Η λέξη «κάστρο» προέρχεται από το λατινικό castrum (πληθυντικός: castra) που χρησιμοποιούσαν οι Ρωμαίοι για να περιγράψουν κάθε είδος στρατιωτικής εγκατάστασης και στρατόπεδα. Οι Βυζαντινοί κληρονόμησαν τον όρο castrum, τον ελληνοποίησαν και σαν «κάστρο» τον κληροδότησαν στην Νέα Ελληνική γλώσσα.
οπιος ειναι χρηστιανος ειναι αρχαιος ελληνας παιδια
kai o Fidel KASTRO elinas einai sigoura😂😂
Alvanos💯ta 💯🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
Πραγματικά γελάω... με όσα διαβάζω 😂😂😂
Ο Καστριώτης ήταν σίγουρα Ρωμιός
Αλβανική εθνική συνείδηση yok εκείνες τις εποχές... από 1878 κ μετά.
Η λατινικη λέξη castrum ειναι του 6 αι μ.Χ. και ειναι αρχαία ελληνική...
όπως όλη η Λατινική γλώσσα (Δωρική διάλεκτος), προέρχεται ως μετάφραση της ελληνικής ρίζας, και άλλες διάφορες γλώσσες που είναι οι βαρβαροποιημένες μορφές ελληνικών διαλέκτων, δεν υπήρξε άλλη γλώσσα σε όλη την Ευρώπη ακόμη και Ασιατικά κράτη, οι Έλληνες μετέφεραν παντού γλώσσα κ Αλφάβητο από τα αρχαία ελληνικά,
(υπήρχαν 200 ελληνικοί αρχαίοι Διάλεκτοι, μιας κ μόνο η αρχαία Ελλάδα είχε κουλτούρα και ήταν πυκνοκατοικημενη χώρα, εκτός Ινδίας=
Ηρόδοτος)
Catrum= Καστοριά= Καστ(ο)ριώτης, το ο έφυγε στην πορεία, είναι Βυζαντινό λεξιλόγιο, προερχόμενο απο αρχαία ελληνικά=
Καστρώ= for καταστρόω=to Strew or spread on the ground
So στρατός, stravi= from στράω/στρόω=So casistra/castra & casa=ground/walls/fortress
to kastriotis sto onoma exei geografiki proeleusi opos kai to arvanitis pou yparxei morno stin elliniki... einai apo tin kastoria... kai i kastoria legete etsi hia tous kastores pou bgazane tis gounes... afiste ta paramithia... albaniko ethnos the ypirxe pote... kratos dimiurgithike apo tous ennetous kai austriakous... mixi ethnikotiton exei ginei stin albania kai tous perasan sinidisi xenes dinameis... turkoi, ellines, latini, gyfti, slavi klp auto einia oi alvanoi simera me arketo elliniko stoixio...
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Why so much effort from Arvanites to hide their origin and to fabricate a history that is far away from the truth. Until 70 years ago you spoke Albanian in your villages, used to sing Albanian songs, your grandmothers told you stories about Albanian heroes etc. Why do you even worry about what some Slavs-Greeks, or Turk-Greeks say about you? The real Greeks have lived with Albanians for millennia, we never had issues with each other.
Ta biblia stin alvania einai gemato me tin istoria tou skanderbeg stin elas ?
Eλλην
By the way, to the Muzaki guy..congrats on accepting you are an Albanian by origin. 👍🇦🇱
No,you are gypsian😂
You are using a historically greek flag and you have greek people as your national heroes, bravo to you for admitting that there is no such thing as albanian. 👏👏👏👏
@@Alex-ny1qg Claim number one-False, Claim number 2-False...keep going..you are just making up shit or you have read too many Greek nationalist books.
Greqil.
Ο Μπότσαρης έμαθε ελληνικά στα 25 του
Σώπα ρε;;
Πριν δηλαδή τίποτα ;
Ούτε λέξη;;
Ρε κόψτε το χόρτο ρεεεε
@@user-im6de5gd6z Όχι αυτό είναι αλήθεια φίλε μίλαγε μόνο Αρβανιτικα μετά έμαθε και έγραφε Ελληνικά αλλά ήταν Έλληνας
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@@nick-nh7bd την εποχή εκείνη η Αλβανία λεγόταν αρβανιτια. ρε αγαπητή Έλληνες γράψτε επιτέλους την ιστορία όπως είναι καί σταματήστε να μαθαίνετε στα παιδιά σας παραμύθια στα σχολεία και στα πανεπιστήμια. η αλήθεια αργά η γρήγορα πάντα βγαίνει στη φόρα.
@@costatv3298 αφού οι Αρβανίτες ήταν Έλληνες Γραικοί
Qamëria is Albanian Albania
Xaxaxa keep dreaming
@@user-fu1hw9ig4w φίλε Μν μιλάς γιατί μέχρι και το επίθετο σου αλβανικό οπότε σκάσετε.Δεν έχετε ιστορία φίλε ούτε και αρχιδιαα
@@user-fu1hw9ig4w Florian (Marku)
STEFAN (Marku)
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All greece is Albania brother and we just fight with Albanians hahahha crazy
Χορτάσαμε ψέματα!
Ahahhahaa yunanistan ahaa you are yunanistan greece is albani arvanitas is albania greece is yunanistan
@Chris Kiustenoglou your last name is Turkish ahaha you are yunanistan
@@oparakuikorces884 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏😅😅😅😅😅👌👌👌👌👌
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@@oparakuikorces884 dna heritage kost of the Turkish people have alsmot 60 %greek dna
@@mariossoitou9645 haahhaa you are yunanistan
Giorgos Kastriotis,son of Ioannis,and father of the same name,son,was a soldier,a stratioti,with ethnic greek conscience, fighting the romans, byzantines,othomans and the turks later,souliotes were of the same ethinc consciousness, ethnic,greek, neither Judeo-Christian,nor roman, Byzantine,or other consciousness
@FACE you can't talk if you can't listen
Thats how you make study and do history and you pretend of not doing propaganda and lie 😂😂😂
Cant fucking belive you are able to still even in day light imagine what have you been done when there are missing information what are you cable to do and create and fake 🥶🥶 thats scary.
@@klodianbiba2142 start by learning first, English, history, civilisation and after 20 years, talk to yourself.. better than that
@@dimitrisorestis2983 Ο έβδομος τόμος του
Illyricum Sacrum πραγματεύεται την εκκλησιαστική ιστορία της Αλβανίας και της Ηπείρου.
Στον τόμο αυτό βρίσκουμε και την αλληλογραφία του Σκεντέρμπεου, καθώς και το πλήρες κείμενο στα λατινικά της Συνέλευσης των Arban.
Πηγαίνετε και απορρίψτε αυτά που δεν είναι αλήθεια και
τότε Κάνε τον Σκεντέρμπεη Έλληνα.
Eline anadoll turk
GREEK DNA all over Turkey 🤣🤣 why Turks are not allowed to have DNA test? Guess why 🤣🤣🤣
Αεί κατουρα τα πόδια σου
Shqiptare all ballkani
Mou je suis arvanit arberesh
Greece/Macedonia/montenegro/Serbia are all shqiptare (Albania) we love shqiptare Albania 🇦🇱
Hahahahahahaha
Also are Albanians in Bahamas island, Alaska , south Australia, north India, Tokyo and Bangladesh..
@@toni7185 you forgot Gotham city 🤣🤣 batman & Halle Berry are also Albanians
Evidence (by albanian logic)
Bat=🦇(in albanian language)
Man=berry (in albanian language)
2004 Halle Berry was Catwoman in batman movie 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I got a WC to be cleanend..can you pls..???
O skenderbeu omos den iksere elenika milage alvanika?
Why nobody talk about how comes and why all this People were speaking as first language Albanian, in South Italy they speaking Albanian until today same as your Arvanites in evia end elsewhere.