PRE-ARRIVAL: Firefighters battle fire in auto repair shop, North Whitehall, PA.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2024
- At 11:51AM Tuesday, Lehigh County Fire Radio transmitted the box for a structural fire at 3220 Mauch Chunk Road in North Whitehall Township.
Additional information provided to Chief 16 from the fire dispatcher was one caller reporting smoke from the building.
When Chief 16 arrived, he found a 1-story auto repair shop with fire and smoke pushing from the building and struck out the second alarm.
Someone backed a pick-up truck to the overhead doors in the rear and ran inside to save the tool chest. They chained it and used the pick-up to pull it out of the garage before it engulfed in flames.
Volunteers from North Whitehall, Whitehall, South Whitehall and Catasauqua assisted at the fire.
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I’m not a professional fire fighter and can’t offer an informed opinion of how these guys handled this job. But as an everyday citizen, watching this does not exactly inspire my confidence.
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@@watchingyoutwo3800 keep taking the tablets pal you will be ok soon
@@terryrowles7751 I have an iPad tablet it’s nice!
@@watchingyoutwo3800 ...god does not exist. You are a sucker of other Peoples beliefs.
I am a paid firefighter and your opinion is correct. This is the price communities pay having volunteer departments.
Guys, Just because you're outside doesn't make the smoke less deadly. The lack of SCBA use is unbelievable!!!
I agree. that officer. standing there need to lose his rank. allowing thart crew to fight that fire not on air total lack of disaplen in that company. the leader are not leaders if they allow. that
its the east coast. they are crazy
@@danwetzel4021 get real..
Absolutely right!
Dalton Langsmith yes we are lol but not dawning an scba while preforming exterior attacks is the norm
They did a great job saving the foundation
This made my day. Thank you!
Their motto is "We haven't lost a foundation yet".
@@2countries1god They save the building foundation very nice job
@supreme 2005 You are a MORON. They were slow as hell, they could have put the fire out in seconds, but they took their time and let the structure is RUINED because of their incompetence. Imagine if this was your home, IDIOT. Would you want THEM to treat it like this??
A geniune waste of good water.
I bet for people watching this that know what they’re doing when it comes to firefighting, this is painful to watch for them. I just have a feeling.
Extremely, more then anything else they just wouldn’t put water on the fire, at one point the had left the nozzle to go do something, I know they aren’t refilling on air because they aren’t masked up (which they should be) but it’s like the fires burning the roof off of the place and they just left to go have a pep talk or something? Is it anyone’s place to question what happened, no, because who’s to say what resources/training they had available but still it took way too long for them to get water on the fire. .
The thing that scared me at first was seeing the supply lines brand new never showing any service wear or dirt. That's a huge red flag if your truck pulls clean never used supply lines.
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The lack of SCBA is my biggest concern especially at an auto shop where yiu have no idea what's burning. This was a total loss before they showed up, and there wasn't much they could do. Obviously a Vollie area as the first due engine showed up with just one guy. Did you see the giant tanker as well? This isn't mid town Manhattan. I'll bet they have limited water supply. I honestly don't see anything really wrong here tactically. The tactical right wall was already breaching when they arrived, you have to watch your collapse zones, so any attack with hand lines through that window is out of the question, which is why the truck spotted where it did.
This is completely gone no matter who shows up. Keep it from affecting the exposures and make sure everyone goes home. Not much else to do.
Dawning and SCBA IN THE SMOKE made me cringe. In my area, you can't be in the hot zone without being on-air, no exceptions. Other than that was a solid response.
From other videos I dont think this crew even owns those kits.
The SCBA bothered me, too. God only knows what was in that smoke. No criticism of the firefighters, but they need to protect themselves first.
The guy on the two-and-a-half at the rear of the building did more to put that fire out than anyone else on the fireground.
happyjack880 and he should have transitioned to an interior attack after he had the bulk of the fire knocked. That was their best chance of getting the upper hand. No chance of that tho, they were thinking hit it hard from the yard from the jump.
Did you see how the fire was extinguished as soon as he put water on it. lol
AND had he properly handled that line, even more could have been done. Zero maneuverability when you're sitting on top of the nozzle. Train to handle a deuce alone while standing and you can put just about ANYTHING out. Still, a good example of big water for big fire. 1.75" handlines are for recruits and car fires.
@@Westbankfireman I know, that in our country the buildings are mostly brick/concrete, but we don't ussualy use bigger hoses than 2". We sometimes use only 1" but like 3-4 lines from different sides. You could destroy more with water than with fire, if you use too much exces water.
happyjack880 q
This video should be used by every department on what not to do.
Steven M I am not a fireman but I could see they weren’t doing too well let this fire.
@@Radionut It's the three stooges.
Use the wind to your advantage is not taught here..eating smoke with no scba in use is going to cause you some problems in your retirement. There wasn't much to save anyway, so at least save yourselves from the acrid smoke exposure.
agreed 2-3 well placed landlines could have knocked this fire down real quick
If you had read their volunteer fireman so they don't have to be there at all. They choose to volunteer
9:40 No SCBA, no gloves, no brain... Just heart.
We in Croatia don't do it like that for at least 20 years.
Safety first for all firefighters in action.
In Britain, when firefighters have breathing apparatus sets on, they always use it. They go in as an organised team where they are monitored, and when they get low on air, they are replaced by another BA crew if necessary.
In Canada I have never seen with their suba on even the snoke us light they don't take chances
@@MrFahrenheit200 Your right he is no bitch, because you can't be a bitch if you're dead!
They don't exactly represent all American Firefighters. I'm from PA and never seen them not use SCBA... including outside. Don't generalize... it's lazy.
I can guarantee that OSHA or NFPA what ever, gave them tons of citations for unsafe firefighting practices
Just a question. As a British firefighter I'm wondering why there always seems to be a very long time before water is turned on. On our appliances we have a couple of hose reals and an 1800ltr tank on board that can issue water within seconds of arrival. This gives another firefighter time to connect to a hydrant.
Is there a lack of training or knowledge in the USA to fight/ contain the fire? I'm not being disrespectful but genuinely would like to know!
From my knowledge it depends the area I’ve seen a lot of locations arrive and get water on it ASAP but not to certain, hope that helped a bit
You say this while watching one of the worst fire departments. Don’t try and ride yourself above us because American firefighters are a different breed.
@@Emtmiller not at all. I'm not riding myself above anyone! Just a genuine question. Also having folded lengths of hose seems awkward and timely to get charged. Having coiled lengths that can be thrown out instantly reduces a lot of time. Wasn't aware they were the worst department either😅.
@@maudwagner7211 this is a poor representation of the American fire service, huge lack of PPE, big boys that take a tank just to walk to the house. Most depts can get water on the fire almost immediately upon arrival every FD CAN but some don't train enough to do so.
@@maudwagner7211 I recommend looking up David decker nework fire dept. In Ohio
The firemans are
very relaxed and carefree
“Hello sir, your car that was in for service is done, in fact it’s well done.”
Underrated
If that was a Lamborghini Diablo or something like that - that hurts!!!
@@UltraBrickStudios what got me was AFTER the fire was showing the black pickup backs up besides the burning building
Master stream did it all but face peace respect is lack in this guys
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All that's missing from this, is a horse-drawn pump and a line of villagers passing buckets of water. Keystone fire-fighting !
Ya, wtf was going on there?
oh hey don't forget you have to throw glass balls filled with water at it cause everyone knows to use those fire extinguishing grenades' on it (if you don't believe me look it up i swear it was a real thing mostly now sold as antique suvioners)
All I seen missing was the red noses and the white make-up !!
😂😂😂😂
Et une pompe à bras
Very sad to see someone's business go up in smoke. Small, out-of-the-way businesses like this are usualy family affairs and provide a living for that family. I hope they make good and get going again.
Watching this response makes me reconsider getting a sprinkler system.
Thank you volunteer fireman!
Clearly the owner of this property paid the fire marshal in advance to make sure the building was totally destroyed so he could get a new one.
They suck
SAFETY OFFICER needed too! There's a reason you put that tank on your back. USE IT.
I'm totally speechless! If I were the chief of this department, I'd step down and run in shame. Blatantly obvious that not one of them had a clue what they were doing. Common sense stuff couldn't even be followed.
Is there anyway I can get in contact with you? I'd like to know a little more how this could be attacked. Greetings from Guatemala
I totally agree
Please explain.
Yeah this just shows bad training and a lack of confidence instilled in the fire fighters. You shouldn't be standing at a fire with a hose and look at your chief every 30 seconds wondering if its okay.
I love watching American firefighters at work. Its fukking hilarious 😂
They protected the A exposure. The garage was totally engulfed before they arrived. A lot of them probably should’ve been wearing their SCBA’s. Other than that, all of the people who think that they would’ve done it so much better should probably put a cork in it.
Lol at least the TH-cam commenters would be running instead of walking and talking to their mate
This is sometimes what happens with volunteer departments. People arrive in their personal vehicles because they are at their full time jobs and its closer to the scene. I remember hearing calls over the radio for no apparatus on scene and having to dispatch my full time engine company to the scene. Lots of mistakes, this is why volunteer departments need to have the same training as full time departments but no one wants to pay for the training.
I come from a small rural department in southwest Missouri and 99% of our volunteers are FF1&2, HAZ-MAT Ops, VRT and either EMR or EMT certified. All of our driver/operators are required to have a certified EVOC and pump operators certs. Hell if our little department can do it anyone can. And we do not allow our personnel to respond directly to the scene in their POV, unless all the apparatus needed is already on scene or in route then the IC can either have them respond with a brush truck or POV. Only our Chief officer are allowed to respond direct on the initial alarm. There is really no excuse for no training other than the officers failing to provide it. The State of Missouri will provide 2 free certified classes per department per year, all of our local departments Chiefs will work out a plan on which department is going to host each class and make a schedule of these classes so they aren't duplicating the class. Then all the departments can attend these free classes. It has worked out great for all of these departments and it really shows on fire scenes. We do 2-3 County wide training classes such as water supply, large scale incidents, interior operations etc. All the departments are universal in our hose sizes and coupling, accountability, radio frequencies, RIT equipment etc. The only thing is our SCBAs, some prefer Scott, some MSA and one has Dragers. And every department except 1 have 4500 psi packs, one department still uses 2216 packs.
Here in europe that kind of training is free
Watch a few videos on "Brandweer Lunteren" and say its because they're volonteers. There is no excuse for how badly the U.S. equips and trains its volonteers.
Bob Schmidt are you a Firefighter?
My volunteer department has all the same training actually fire and medical most of our guys are cross trained as either EMT or paramedics as well so no lack of training here the training is available if you want to invest the time to do it for us volunteers its not just a job like it is for you so called pros were not here getting paid for it we do it because we want to do it and do it to the best of our ability we love doing it shit most of the time we beat the only paid department in our area on scene 70% of firemen and departments nationwide are volunteer atleast most likely more here in Southern Missouri maybe 80 or 90s of departments here are volunteer outside of the major cities.
They sure are wasting a lot of time. When the hell are they gonna get started putting it out.
The yanks didn't receive the donuts supply before their shift, it's why you see them walking casually, they're very incompetent in the US. Check videos of UK, Canada or Australia you'll see competent and dedicated firefighters
Americans need an hour to get 3 hoses on a fire, 5 guys watching 1 working
You'd be better calling your neighbors to use the hose on their garden on ur house than those so called firefighters
A fire department made up entirely of senior citizens couldn't have put this fire out any slower.
Dude, this building was a total loss at the start
well fire is hard to put out its not like you just flick your finger and its out
@@Rhett_Kierbow It's a lot harder when you wait for it to burn half way down before you start fighting it.
@@ffandrewd2986 no it wasnt
Fire isn’t you just put water on it and it’s out it takes time, and for you to be that disrespectful to people who save countless lives everyday is a shame, learn to be grateful
Well, look at that. They saved the foundation!
😂😂
Dammit I wanted to comment this! Hahaha
Haven't lost one, yet!
The place was gone before they got there.
What else did you really expect - fully involved single story structure upon arrival -protect exposures - defensive "surround and drown" attack
As others have mentioned, the lack of using SCBA was terrible. There were surely all kinds of chemicals and poisonous fumes there. And yes, while it did take agonisingly long to get water on the fire, it wouldn't have made much difference. This was a lost cause before they even arrived.
It reminds me of a big restaurant fire here in Odessa, Ukraine, some years ago. A beautiful place, mainly constructed from wood (log cabin style) and with thatched roofs. It was the middle of Summer, hot and dry weather. The place was already fully ablaze before they arrived. It burned down to the ground, literally nothing left, but fortunately no injuries. I'd post a link, but TH-cam tends to remove or hide them. Fortunately they were able to rebuild the place, though not in its original style.
I hope these people were able to do the same, it must be so horrible to see your business go up in flames :(
Neglect of usage of SCBA often goes back to the days when fireman praised themselves as "Smoke Eaters". Those should be long gone.
If all the firefighters, police and others had worn SCBA during recovery efforts after 9/11, there would have been a lot fewer cancer deaths over the years since.
Air contaminants can be insidious. It's obviously not just the smoke or chemical leaks that are hazards. The post - 9/11 body count has proven that.
Slava Ukraini!!
Wow. I have seen people bully firefighters. But not like how yall just did it, how would yall like it if your house caught fire and the firefighters saved you and someone said all the piece of crap yall just said
@@emergencyresponsevideosand4423 I can't even begin to respond to your level of ignorance.
Dude shut up Don't compare Odessa firefighters VS USA fire firefighters
The time it took to set up the aerial, a master stream off the engine could have knocked down a lot of fire.
Water wasnt put in the correct places for the longest
Pride of Park Ave??
That was embarrassing!!!
10 minutes or so in, and the ladder still isn't spraying water. Why is the ladder even deployed? I can't even.....
For show
Well the Tower Ladder shouldn't even be operating at that point. They needed to take a charged line into the structure and put out the fire. The tower ladders stream is so powerful it will seriously hurt someone.
Wear your mask!!! Quit letting them dangle from the regulators, they can develop cracks in the masks and the regulator can break. Avoid the collapse zone at that garage
If you own a business like this you would do well to equip it with lots of extinguishers and maybe a hose or two. Can't rely on any fire department to save your livelihood.
I would like to thank the firefighters who always do their best for our safety by our side. I think firefighters who save others even though they know they're in danger are amazing.
This was not a day saved. Spraying water on everything but the fire.
Great work guys, 100% loss.
I agree with a lot of comments that the building was a loss but it looked like if they were aggressive the office area might have been saved. The alacart attack of lets put hoses of side A,B,C, and put up the tower was from lack of incident command.
Hey at least they tried. I dare you do do their job for a day. Then see how hard it is. Maybe then you will be more appreciating.
It was a 100% loss by the time they arrived
Great attack on a building that was lost before they arrived. I was, however, VERY DISAPPOINTED with the lack of use of SCBA. In this day and age of carcinogens in everything we see, I would like to have sen the SCBA that was on their backs used for their protection.
What NOT to do at a fire. For the record, I am a fireman.
They must dont fight a lot of fire there
There’s multiple things wrong in this video
Most volunteer fire departments only respond to 2-5 actual fires a year
I’m a firefighter, lots of resources, but too many people standing around, not using SCBA, it’s an automotive shop plenty of dangerous chemicals burning and no urgency. I’d also would have been applying water to nearby structures to keep them cool. Don’t understand why the first engine didn’t stop to allow FF to hook up supply line to hydrant then roll out instead of carrying that large hose to the hydrant. Too many chiefs not enough Indians. Lots of room for improvement. God Bless & stay safe!
*THERE ARE TWO THINGS IN THAT BUILDING THAT SCARE THE HELL OUT OF ME: A BOTTLE OF OXYGEN UNDER GREAT PRESSURE AND A BOTTLE OF ACETYLENE UNDER GREAT PRESSURE THAT CAN EXPLODE LIKE BOMBS OR SHOOT OFF LIKE MISSILES THROUGH BRICK WALLS*
As a fellow firefighter, it blows me away to see a guy with the mask on, but not even breathing off the SCBA..... how embarrassing truly.
Glad someone else noticed that. It was a painful experience to watch this.
The guy on the 2½ line at the back had his mask on without the hood over it
And he was one of the better firefighters there
Their volunteers know it all
@@jonallen1357 Search for "brandweer luteren" here on TH-cam and blame it on the fact its volonteers again. The real reason is the critical lack of equipment, funding and training in the US.
No need to set up in the collapse zone. They're going to get someone hurt. That was painful to watch.
They really let that burn.
It seems like they were in NO RUSH to extinguish the fire!
The building is found in a poor neighborhood, and probably owned by a minority, so why the rush? I think that's how their psychology was working as they approached this fire.
@@alphainfinitum3445 what has that got to do with anything
This is a video of my life. It fits perfectly. Had every chance...... burnt to the ground.
Seems like there was an issue getting water to the site. It's painful to watch everything moving so slow. I'm not a fire professional, but it seems like a couple of 3/4" garden hoses started at the beginning of the fire would have really have helped considering how long it took to get first water on the fire.
@TheBenPatches also worth noting that areas that do have good firehall coverage with good response times are less likely to have a video because the firetrucks are on scene so fast. Theres just less time for someone to happen by and take a video of it before the fire is gone.
The very first mistake is when the tower passed the engine in the street and became the initial attack apparatus. Most ladders only carry 300-500 gallons on average, so it usually only take a couple of minutes to blow through that! If they had pulled the engine in first at least they'd have had probably 750-1000 gallons to use while the 2nd due secured a water supply.
4:04 Looks like they had a hydrant across the street, and a tanker parked and waiting. Getting water to the site wasn't the problem, i think.
@@qbasicmichael Calkins 😮
Everyone wants to use their ladder truck, but its one story and you have a limited water supply. This building was a load by the time you got there.
They are hooker up to a water tanker!
And there is fire hydrants so where is the limited water?
Pfft. Ain't that big, all the had to do was piss on it and call it good.
Truck goes up building goes down in a lot of areas
Brilliant video. No stupid music. And you kept the camera steady ! I've subscribed
I love the urgency these men shown to knock the fire down. It was handled in a very timely manner 🤦♀️
I was wondering if I was the only one who saw the turtles 🐢
5:48 to see smoke coming through grout is terrifying… that means the pressure in there is so intense inside.
I'm sorry to say, this is one of the most unorganized group of firefighters I've seen in a long time.
And you're a firefighter too?
This is a rural volunteer fire department. They probably don't get many actual structure fires or opportunities for live burn training. I saw mostly young guys that probably don't have much experience. They seem to be lacking experienced senior guys in key roles in the incident command system that probably would've eliminated a lot of the fundamental errors seen in the video.
Yeah, they look like a bunch of groups of the three stooges out together and told go put out that fire. Hopefully you know who they are if not look them up. The three stooges actors. They are funny as all get out.
Lydirius that was so mean
I got your cookies and a bonfire at my house
I can’t tell what number is on the back of that chiefs coat. Should be a little bigger
I think it's 16, but I can't quite tell.
That how many structures he lost.
@@bp4170 That's how many structures he allowed to burn completely after the policy holders slipped him a few C notes.
How about 0!
Pretty fire apparatus doesn’t put the fire out without proper training.
Every structural fire is a hazmat incident. Remember that and protect your respiratory system. It baffles me to see how many men exposed themselves in this incident? It costs mere dollars to refill a cylinder, chaps. Your lungs are irreplaceable.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed their lack of drive or energy.. I certainly respect what firefighters do, but there had to be some sort of prior agreement to let that building cook lol
Yep
Those SCBAs are actually have a use other than a heavy back pack guys. - Captain 703
You, like so many other fools in this comment thread, really do just think you have it all figured out. I know you probably think everything comes infinite and free, but you actually really have to use those crucial materials only when absolutely necessary.
Educate yourself; a course in basic logic may suffice. .
Educate yourself; a course in basic firefighting may suffice.
Yeah, because 'that's what they do in the movies', right -watched a few, and now you're somewhat of an expert, huh. Lol, whatever.. 🙄
@@mrzerkaman never said an expert. But someone who is a certified firefighter with near 2 decades of experience. But hey tell yourself whatever you need to make you think your opinion matters.
Thanks to all our firefighters, where most have full time jobs and families they leave behind to save a building or what ever it may be, and had to fight through traffic just to get to the fire scene.
I was listening to the scanner. There was only one call that came in on this fire and it was made by a passerby. When Bill got to the scene, he called dispatch to confirm fire. Also, they had issues w/water pressure.
Yes, I agree they should've worn masks and gloves, should've done some things different, and probably more training. They are our firefighters and there is always room for improvement and I will always support them no matter what.
Just my thoughts, no need to reply. Thank you
That's soo true
Did it for 25 years so I know what it take to dedicate time to the fire house. But training,training,training!! Water pressure failures happen! But this fire was more about how the incident was run. Putting the tower up basically for the sake of putting it in service was 100% unnecessary. Nobody was working as a cohesive unit. It was more of a free for all. The guys had the willingness to work but there was no command. It was a freelance job and the guys with the white helmets need to held accountable for that show. They need to watch this (I'm sure they did) and go over it step by step. This video can be used as a drill by Whitehall and other departments..
Agreed. Its nice to see people looking the positive side perspective. :)
Well Said. Thanks
Why is it that 95% of them dont have their scba on? I am watching the guys 3' from the fire with no air? Where is the training?
I pay everyday(and night mostly) for being Mr bad Lt FF who put out car fires without one.. my lungs are shot.. and have been disabled for over 10 years, smoke eaters are bad boys, just don't tell your lungs..
Shows you how much people care in the initial stages of a fire that could have been stopped at the beginning.They don't.
The shop sign says, "All Your Repair Needs Under One Roof".
The foundation remains un-scorched but everything else is gone! "Great job men, and women, and... slow pokes!"
For the love of God use your SCBA'S
B h Lehigh county isn’t a bunch of yard breathers.
And be yard breathing?
@@trabetan0311 If they would have had their SCBAs on that would not have been yard breathing lol. What's the point or carrying around a cylinder on your back and a mask clipped to your coat if you aren't going to use it?
Lots of SCBA'S but not many masks being worn Where is the Safety Officer?
And push in!!! Attack the fire, not squirt the hose everywhere except into the fire.
Wow, a well trained pro crew could have knocked that fire down With 2 1.75” lines...maybe 2 2 1/2” before it got away. No air on these guys. Standing feet from the fire venting. The tower took all the water. No exposure protection. Pretty messy. (30 years PM/FF Batt Chief).
Rickenbacker954 no they couldn't. This place was gone. You think different you don't know what you're talking about. #1 thing here is nobody gets hurt. Lots of potential for that here. (Real firefighter, 27 years)
Before it got away???????
There was fire visible from every opening of the building ON ARRIVAL.
This didn’t get away from anyone.
And as for using 1 3/4 in line(s), that would be/was pointless as these guys figured out when they shut them down and switched to a second 2 1/2.
FF-1 remember?.... we need to apply enough water to stop the BTU output of the fire to extinguish it.
RIT Irons nope. 2 2.75 lines on arrival done. It got away after the fire got air instead of water. 🤷🏻♂️
Okay....?
I’m not going to become involved a pointless TH-cam pissing match but, early in the video there’s fire visible over the roof on the opposite side of the building indicating the fire is already venting.
The window on the side we can see fails and fire can also be seen venting from the main doors long before the first apparatus arrives.
You can believe what you’d like, but the building is heavily involved, well beyond the capabilities of 1 3/4 lines.
Also, at no point does the FD do any form of ventilation that would have let air affect the fire.
I like how the fire chief is just walking around. Help old man
Retired mechanic: my business is on fire..
Take your time!
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games
The place was a total loss before the first unit arrived. I feel sorry for the owners and employees. Heartbreaking , customers cars in there, mechanics tool boxes with thousands of dollars of tools , bought and collected over years. Devastating.
I mean maybe so but if it didn't take 6 minutes to get water on the building something might have been saved
Let's see how slow we can go.
You know they have to get to the department first🤦🏼♂️
Building is fucked anyway who cares.
Yeah, I don't get it 🤔
I mean, they had water on it in less than 2 minutes, seems pretty solid to me.
@@deepposeidon289 exactly
Every time I watch American firefighters I cant believe how slow and disorganized they are. At first I thought it was just one time. But I noticed its every time
>watches one video on youtube
WOW wow are americans so slow and disorganized
>doesnt realize there are thousands of Departments across the Country.
Leave it to a foreigner to be this ignorant.
Volunteers doing the best they can. I'm sure they'd welcome help from all the arm chair pros here. Volunteer means you get who you get -- some are epic, some are just ordinary citizens trying.
Put on your SCBA peeps!
5:38 "All your repair needs under one roof"
15:30 there was no roof
As a firefighter. It had taken them way to long to get water on this fire. To long to get hoses charged and hydrant hook up. A little sloppy lol.
New Apostles I don’t know if they could have saved the building if they got water on sooner or not. Was this this a full time department or volunteer but they did seam a little disorganized by not being on scene it is hard to tell what was really going on.
why does everyone have piss opinions about departments? even my towns department has a "keyboard chief" review. keep your opinions to your selves. a department is a department, you wanna see bad, search Grants Pass rurual fire department..
A LITTLE SLOPPY is an under statement.
@@davidglaum2538 Does it matter if it's career or volunteer?
Chief should be fired, not a single FF with SCBA on the fire ground area. Enjoy cancer after sucking it in right there infront of you
"Hey....we just got this ladder truck, don't let them put it out til we get it set up and squirting!" Really hard to watch.
no kidding! for a 16ft tall building!
I guess because ladder truck starts putting H2O downstream all other attack stops? There's still interior fire and they are just standing around. For a little bit atleast.
I don’t know much about firefighting, but I was wondering why they wanted to use that so bad while the roof was still intact, and they had hoses at either open end.
Ron eagle exactly what I was thinking when i saw them setting it up. Lol
You can use the ladder to put out the fire from a high position. But it would have been better to get a second "normal" firetruck instead.
So
Many
Questions....
One thing is for sure. These guys LOVE being firefighters, they just don't know how.
Я думал мне одному показалось что они мягко говоря плохо работают 😅
Next day: "Uh, Mr. Jones? Seems we found some additional items on your vehicle needing repair..."
Would love to know what the true time elapse was from dispatch until the first engine arrived. Overall a pretty painful showing by the departments involved.
I'd love to know the same, from first caller to dispatch. From alert to first arriving engine . 🤦♂️
6+ minutes till first water, 10 minutes in and no water through the big OPEN WINDOW nearest the truck, with fire pouring out.
I've been in this situation as a VFD Chief. It's one of your friend's or neighbors buildings and livelihood that is doomed on arrival. In the heat of the moment, we sometimes get so much adrenaline flowing we forget standard SOP's. In a perfect world, the fire would have put itself out. But in this case it's a 50 year old building and everything in it is soaked with decades of chemicals and motor oil. It was a loss upon arrival. But volunteers took time out of their lives to do what they could to save a neighbor's livelihood. Give these guys a break with the nasty comments. They are our brothers.
Yes, they are our brothers, but they actually need more training. I've seen other videos of this department.
It's not about the guys doing their best. It's about the lack of training that is widespread in America. They put more energy in adding lights to trucks then do basic training like mask on. There is no coordination in wich team goes for the first attack. The volunteers don't have the equipment to be ready as soon as the firetruck arrives. It's all lack of eliminating time consuming tasks. And its not only this video that supports this. It's alot. America is far behind Europe on this.
Sorry but to excuse their lack of actions onto the fire fighters and the building is a cop out to the fire fighter. Theres something wrong in that station and we all know it because it shows on the fire ground. Also dont say that your a chief and forget s.o.ps, thats embarrassing.
Firefighting is not a place to give guys a break. You want the world to look at you as the super hero's and "save lives everyday" then step up to the plate and learn what comes with that hero worship. The mistakes made at this scene are what COST lives not save lives. Even when a building seems a loss. without putting lives at risk, do your best. As I have said in previous posts, there was a huge lack in Chain of command and crews not following directions. To be totally honest, it starts with poor leadership and goes downhill from there. Maybe some brutally honest comments might wake these guys up before they cost a life, or have to attend court and justify their actions to a judge.
that was armature at best what a disgrace this seems a regular thing in the USA do any fires get put out before a fire takes hold, maybe its time you spent on training and less LED lights pimping the chiefs vehicle as usual americans blaming everything but there own piss poor performance
I could have put that dang fire out with a booster reel before that ladder truck was set up. I think I'm hoarse from yelling at the screen now. TYFYS
HIHFTY
This is what “doing the same job for free” get you.
bullwork22830 not necessarily. I know some career departments that absolutely SUCK much worse than some volley departments.
@@1bummerdude honestly i think if theres a fire in my area and we have a crew like this im just going to the local bar and yelling whoevers drunk enough to piss out a fire come with me lol jk i had to lighten the mood im getting depressed watching these guys not wear their masks
This is the result of a society where people don't want to volunteer their time or that bosses will not let employees volunteer with fire companies and leave work for working fires. Everyone wants to complain about how slow of a response time or how those that showed up handled themselves, but nobody wants to volunteer. It's sad.
Just a note to fire command if you’re going to use the truck with the monitor an aerial monitor have them stop at the hydrant and lead to the hydrant and drive off and extend their own line, that way one of the command staff doesn’t have to lug all the way back to the hydrant
Well put. So many attack mistakes here.
I am checking out the comments to see what this fire department did wrong or right.
Comming from Germany I actually did exactly the same in order to find out whether this is usual in the US but it luckily doesn't seem so by the look at the comments
Definitely a "everyone goes home but the homeowner" moment. I can't tell if they were only trained to Mod 2 or they stick with in house training...
So why are those members in all that toxic smoke with no air mask on wth are they doing
Great knockdown of that fire guys...some people will not appreciate the video and some will. If the tanker arrives first and the pumper arrives afterwards, no one knows. The firefighters did a great job
It's like letting the fire grow and only showing off the sound of the siren, it really works very slowly and is annoying😢
the moment i saw the flames eating through the door, i knew that building is lost....
Wow, that sure took an excessive amount of time to get water on. The whole building practically burned down before even one hose was charged.
One, it's a villie department, so they didnt have the manpower right away and two did you see the giant tanker at the beginning. I'll bet limited water supply.
they had water on the fire in 5 minutes. that is EXTREMELY fast. The video makes it seem like a lifetime. This is also a pretty rural department, so resources are very limited.
Man I swear I saw the three stooges running around in there!!😞😂😂
I think they would of done better then this
hello Mr Burns, this is Sparky down at Probot Motors
Your car is done, in fact its well done!
I have seen quite a few of these videos now. Realizing that I am not a Fire Fighter and do not know what safety procedures that are involved when approaching a building fire, I NEVER see any enthusiasm or urgency from some of the Fire Fighters that show up!
Even though the structure might be a total loss as far as damage, you would think that they would get water on it ASAP.
Instead all I see is 10-20 slow moving Fire Fighters, Older Captains pointing and barking orders to lower rank Fire Fighters, disorganization & some confusion. By the time they get their S#!* together and any water gets sprayed on the fire it is at about 75% out of control and growing!
I would think that if water got sprayed as soon as they arrived on the fire when it is still small everyone would benefit!
Here is an example of the services our tax dollars pay for! There needs to be a independent department with EMERGENCY inspectors that are also called to every fire emergency to just monitor and ensure that the fire department and it's Fire Fighters tackle fires with the ultimate efficiency and urgency that is expected of them.
I feel so bad for the guy who owned that place. All the money he probably poured into his business is all gone.
I'm sure he had insurance to cover something like this.
No doubt he has insurance
Yeah and those " firefighters " should be fired.
H purtoe dmroe than money inthere!
@@wandacuti9487 They're volunteers
Fire videos are really interesting. In almost everyone I watch the fire department seems really laid back and slow.
It's just a building.. As long as lives aren't at stake.
@@mrzerkaman yep. When it's confirmed unoccupied and already well involved there's no sense trying to get hurt
That one was gone when they got there. Why not keep it under control and let it go on to the ground. Save having to tear it down. It would be safer than someone having to do it by hand.
I was going to comment this.
Tear down that fence and anything else connecting it with anything else...and just control the spread.
Treat it like a forest fire rather than a building to save.
I am a firefighter in Germany, it is always interesting for me to see how colleagues work elsewhere in the world. And what I see here are US colleagues and they do a very good job.
Jack
Sir, after we started you car this morning it seemed to develop an over heating problem.
no ppe especially in an automotive shop fire smh lots of chemical fumes they inhaling why even pack up if your not gonna use it? if this was my old dept my chief would have kicked us off the scene for operating like this then if you didn't get fired you would definitely be taking some time off and missing a chunk of your ass after the chief got done back at the station! even though we were very low call volume other than medical calls
My thought exactly. The ff were directly in the path of that toxic smoke without breathing pack face masks on!
Could not agree more jay s! Feel bad for some of these guys in these small rural departments as they work very hard, do their absolute best but just do not have the training required. Hate to think what they were inhaling as they were fighting, or at least wrestling, with that fire.
No reason to not have it on! It’s already hanging there, doing nothing. Shame on S. Whitehall. They should go back to training 101.
So worried about their health? It seems it just is you wanting to bad comment a video , and not really a concern.
Far from the facts, Jay is 100% correct here, They should have been on air if they were in the path of the smoke/fumes. If this was my fire, they would be on Air or I would replace them with someone who was. You don't have to be in a fire building to suffer effects from the toxins in it, Hydrogen Cyanide, Carbon Monoxide, you name it and the toxic fumes are there waiting to kill you.
Good effort. Training needed
Yea, lots of training. Start at the front, and push it to the back. Bacis fire fighting protocol. You don't fight it from both ends. What a waste of water. These guys are a bunch of basement savers. What a joke.
@@robertniklas4260 your really funny.
Robert Niklas it’s called defensive firefighting surround and drown. You ever hear of it? The building was gone by the time they got there. If I was in charge I’m not sending my guys in to get killed they have families to go home to. Surround and drown you hit it from all sides of the building.
@@patrickmac9403 with limited resources and guys who do this in their spare time thats the best scenario in a case like this. I'd be curious how many of the people calling them useless are volunteer in a small town versus pro in a big city with unlimited resources and good constant training. And really, who's willing to risk their safety to save a building that was gone before they arrived, going home to my family is always more important to me than saving an unoccupied building that can be rebuilt
Wow, I'm not a FF, that was hard to watch...nice truck and tanker though ! Was waiting for the Keystone Cops to arrive, they did lol
This is what happens when you become a firefighter so you can tell the ladies at the bar you're a firefighter. C'mon fellas. Stop toying with this and knock it out.
The tanker could’ve been knocking it down😂first one there but stayed in the back😂
you guys real good at holding your Breath?!..Wth?!...
Great Camera work! Just like we were right there!
I know nothing about fighting fires but I’m pretty sure you have to wear the oxygen masks for them to help.
Compressed air not oxygen, oxygen is very flammable
@@justsayingopinion6730 stfu
@UCLpbeNQDTzonpaSFVfhtm9w you stfu, atleast he’s not spreading misinformation
City Council: Let's build more fire stations to reduce response time
Citizens: Waaaaah!! Waste of taxpayer dollars!!!
No hurry here, let's enjoy the warmth from the fire. It's winter here, Geezz!! Small fire depts amaze me, they are so nonchalant!! Do they know what kind of chemicals they are breathing in right now? This is so wrong on so many levels.
такие вялые все. чёт ходят,бродят. Пожарных много,а толку нет.
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all so sluggish. even walking, wandering. There are many firefighters, but no sense.
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судя по другим видео там всегда так
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