The L.A. Animation Industry is Burning Down in Real Time...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Goodbye Glendale and Burbank. The L.A. animation scene is in shambles, and will reportedly get worse according to an industry vet. He cites the implosion of streaming services, outsourcing and AI as just a few reasons why moving to L.A. to make cartoons is VERY BAD IDEA for most people going forward. Even Disney is sending work to Canada....
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And they want to try to do the same things to the anime industry we should unite as fans and make sure this does not happen
I watched that and yes I agree it's how animation in LA has fallen.
Where the money going to in animation as animators complain about pay all the time so where the expense?
CalArts is terrible, and I cannot wait until becomes "Was" terrible.
It really is.
CalArts produced the team behind MTV's "The Maxx" and 20 years later they only produced... well... Tumbler Art.
It's kinda tragic that the university that Walt Disney himself established to bring in more animators is now just... garbage lmao
CalArts is not even animation in my opinion.
@@juggernautheadcrush4161the Maxx was awesome
@@taags more like a 7 year old doodle.
Western animation: *dying due to a long period of stagnation and lack of creativity*
Indie and overseas animation: *counting piles of cash from adoring fans*
Merit matters the most. Even indie companies can censor their own works from the source.
The lack of creativity is, at least in part, from the sheer lack of studios. There are TONS of people out there who can animate, it has never been easier to get the, gear, software, backing and finally product out there. Audiences are HUNGRY for new stuff. Just make it good. Buut most importantly, Get up off of your ASS and get er' done!
@@LuigiTheMetal64 Indie studios can also be capable of woke DEI nonsense. Stay on guard.
@@LuigiTheMetal64 Looking into new artists, it seems they all were (majority I saw online) brought in as DEI. Everybody was wanting to offend straight people by making fairy tale princes gay. They straight out say they want to offend straight people. They do not care about the story and clearly have no talent. Companies and schools brought in and accepted the most shallow and superficial people for training. Obviously, best art came from the non-woke who were never trying to offend the woke, just depicted reality and offended the woke with truth.
@@dogg-paws Just like I said. We do know that Palworld called sexes "body types" to claim "Americans sometimes want to make very ugly characters." Pokémon does not have a people breeding mechanic, but used "boy" and "girl" anyway.
That "modern" audience sure is worth catering to isn't it?
The modern audience wants stuff like smiling friends.
The so-called "modern audience" these studios tried so hard to pandered to at the expense of the already built-in audience don't exist.
Honestly, the audience of the world just wants quality first and foremost. If something is truly good, then anybody can enjoy it.
We the old audience have saved alot of money these years 😂
Modern audience is like a unicorn, it dont exist, they actually are making movies to "actvist audience"🤡 wich is so small, infinitely small and thats why this industry is dying, which is very good.
And nothing of value was lost
Jon Lovitz's quote still hits to this day
Cheap animation? Ugly character designs? Stupid anti-humor instead of clever writing? DEI-friendly stuff came much later; the other issues have existed for years.
Look up Ken Penders of Sonic Comics Infamy. He has all the hallmarks of the "woke" writers modernly for shows and comics, yet all his BS was pre-cancel culture and woke BS.
His story cuts to the core of what these people are, the Woke BS just gives them a shield and an encouragement to behave in a manner like Ken had.
go broke, get woke, ultimately croak.
Give me a few examples of western animated shows that are filled with these problems.
@@samflood5631 it was more prevent, before Cancel culture took over, in Comics themselves but then these people didn't have a ideology to hide behind so it was in the individual. So instead you have to point to the failure of certain individuals, Ken Penders, Butch Hartman's collapse, etc. honestly I paid more attention to Anime before all the tourists joined in following the fall of western animation, but even around the time that "great" shows like the progenitor of Calart Gravity Falls and Rick and Morty were making it big the tide of people leaving the west to find Anime had begun because your options had all but disappeared since all the good talent had either destroyed themselves or legitimately died it were just driven out of the industry.
But those like the wokes were around DC, Marvel etc long before then, they just didn't have a protected status to allow them to banish their critics. If you look up the whole story of Ken Penders just imagine if his story was taking place maybe six to ten years later. He never would have had Ian Flynn's criticism as a fan lead to him being encouraged to leave Archie Comics, and he would have kept running Sonic to the ground with his ego and it would have never recovered not even under a new studio which is more or less what happened thanks to Ian saving it all by more or less taking what was there and turning it around an making it all so popular that Sega was willing to let Ian continue making Comics for them.
@@codyraugh6599Exactly. It's not actually "wokeness" that is the problem technically, it's just the current tool that hacks use to gain position. That's why it's so entrenched everywhere
Calarts, tumblr, DEI and poor quality shows. These are things that have been dominating animation shows for so long. Forget quality and intriguing stories like Justice League or Avatar.
I think that is very much part of it. There has been so much preachy, low quality crap pushed out that now the art style itself is associated with ideas normal people prefer to distance themselves from. You can't un-associate that easily, or quickly.
Sad to see it, american cartoon was part of my childhood memories, I stopped giving my kids american cartoon a long time ago, even paw patrol not anymore, now i watch the show before showing it to my kids (their favorite is ghibli and bluey at the moments),mostly asian or indie cartoon or american cartoon pre woke wave old disneys, wb, dws not giving them american cartoon series also
Megas XLR is still my most favorite series from Cartoon Network. With Courage the Cowardly Dog as a very close second.
It's by design. The inmates have control of the asylums.
They chose death.☠️
My friends up here in the Canadian animation industry are finding some of their jobs going a way too.. A lot of the same problems in LA are up here as well, just to a lesser degree.
I hear similar from tv productions in UK, money is running dry all over the industry, not just California or just animation. It’s a total industry crunch with long lasting consequences.
Why is the film industry collapsing. What’s causing it. What is the future
At this point the LA industry is too listless to feel animated about their fate in the world of animation and appear to be mostly moaning quietly to themselves.
Its not the end of animation, look at indie projects and indie studios. What WILL happen, is potentially that the mainstream will start trimming the fat by not hiring newbies and indie creators will want ACTUAL talent from new people..
I hope we stop getting reboots altogether. I want to see new original shows.
I can easily see Spindlehourse or Iron Circus hiring on young, bold creatives like them. While potentially bringing industry vets on board to supervise quality control. Old and new, you may say, “would clash”, but there’s a lot both can learn from each other. Plus, not many studios seem to be hiring the old, competent animation vets anymore.
I highly recommend Battle for dream island. It’s so good and REALLY funny.
Indie studios can also be capable of woke DEI nonsense. Stay on guard.
@@dogg-pawstrue that why we need list which is woke Which is not
Let's face it, the only thing keeping people interested in western animation anymore is being able to enjoy classic animation from our childhood years. The glory days of western animation are long gone, and we're never going to get another DCAU or Gargoyles
Battle for dream island is a series that lives up to Gargoyles.
Folks probably thought the same in the Seventies, when animation was so cheap they used the same background loop over and over during motion-scenes.
But then, a funny thing happened. The Eighties. Corny stuff, but a little better. Then came the Nineties. :Most Excellent", to quote someone.
Given enough time, maybe, M-A-Y-B-E, we'll see the same cycle. And then we'll see at least twenty years of slightly-better, and then just plain better stuff.
Although, that said, I'd take continuous scenery loops compared to the dreck they mill out at the moment.
True that!
I remember when Gravity Falls was huge I was saying that Calart wouldn't last and would collapse on itself and everyone was coming at me, and now look at it.
But I was an actual nerd, while everyone was watching live action teen dramas and getting their panties in a bunch over some teenage pregnancy plot, I was watching all the animations, Spiderman, Justice League, the last of the 90s X-Men, etc. and the one thing I noted was that the new art lacked the spirit of the older styles. I mean heck Steven universe went on and on about how their movie character was made referencing older animation styles yet all she seemed like was a result of better animation because the show was finally putting in effort.
I remember 20 years ago where Networks would pitch pilots to viewers to see which ones stuck best.
The best shows got full series and hold up to this day.
Now shows made by commity or people with money and connections dominate and the industry just lets them have what they want.
The fact any animator had such low standards as to make "Velma season 2" just shows how little much of the industry cares about what it makes.
As long as you pay them they'd animate puppies getting shot, they DO NOT care and it's sad.
Me: * sees title *
Also Me: Oh no, consequences
isso haaaard to hide my schadenfreude smirk 😈😈😈
"And nothing of value was lost!"
Build studios in cheaper cities. That would save some freaking money. Not everything HAS to be in LA. Tennessee is cheap as hell, go to nashville. North Carolina is cheap too. With the cheaper cost of living in those area you wont have to pay animator 100k. They could do fine with 85 or 90k in Nashville
Happy Dance
Celebration come on!!!!🎉
I’ve been working in animation for the big studios since 2005 from TX. The Writers Strike didn’t help at all. %33 percent of the workforce is working. What a mess they’ve made. The union never wanted anything to do with contractors outside of Burbank until Covid.
Are you non union?
CalArts style is hot garbage piled on a dumpster fire. Scribbling on a napkin is higher quality than CalArts. Its long past time this so called animation died out.
We can still agree gumball was amazing, right?
@@Cubeytheawesome Only if it's to disagree.
It’s a shame. They had legitimate gold in their midst, and it may sink to the bottom for good chained to them. Adventure Time is amazing, Gumball was great.
@@jacksonvoet8312 The last 2 good shows CN produced. CalArts style was such a disaster to animation, and all because it because the only art style ( a far less appealing one at that) that was allowed to be used for shows. Had it just been from a creator and had there been a diversity in animation styles like in the 90s and 2000s, combined with weird self insert fan fiction/self fantasies. I doubt this would be happening.
@@joshuakhaos4451 At least we can agree those shows were good.
Looks like those strikes are working like a charm
Why is it so difficult for people to look at things abstractly from different perspectives? I don't always like what's said here but I can switch my brain around to see it from the evil corporate suit side and go "yup, makes sense!"
It should be easy to do this. What happened to humanity that this is becoming such a rare skill?
jewish educators.
It's difficult because finding a DEI conspiracy is easier than coming to terms that "too many things we can't comprehend and we have no control over are in charge"
@@KetsubanSolo DEI conspiracy is all Clownfish is about.
Give that guy that did the Star Wars TIE Fighter animated short a job. One man, early 90s style anime, best Star Wars content of the last 15 years.
Hey there! I'm the guy in the article, thanks for talking about it and sharing this! Just want to point out that while yes, my video does focus on the LA industry, the points that I mention are already affecting the rest of the animation world as well. A lot of animation studios outside the US get their work from contracts with American-based studios. The animators in LA are not alone in these struggles in being underpaid and overworked, they're just the ones protected by the unions - the animators in other countries don't have this luxury can't afford to speak out. I said "the animation industry" and not "the LA animation industry" because the impact of streaming's collapse, layoffs, outsourcing, and Gen AI are not localized to Los Angeles.
I am a strong advocate for physical media. If i have it, it can't be cancelled or removed.
Well, yes, but unless you are also ripping it using software like Make MKV to make a digital back up. You run the risk of losing it if its ever damaged, or destroyed.
You always want to have your physical copy, then another copy stored digitally on a hard drive which you transfer to a new hard drive every 5 years. Then one more copy stored off sight.
Such as say . . . in side the servers of the internet archive. And you can upload to that for free. No questions asked.
So if your house burns down. And the disc plus your hard drive turns to melted slag. You'll still be able to retrieve your copy as soon as the internet archive isn't sued into oblivion.
In data preservation, you always need back ups.
Disney is a monopoly. Bought up competition, then no longer felt need to do well. Competiton keeps you innovative and also alternative minds take risks and create things for their project that can be used on yours. People leaving jobs should make their own studios, big studios started small and built up their studios portfolio. You can reach so many on internet that artists in past could never dreamed of. Fleischer studios started as a small family.
disney would have been better off it had remained smaller. Monopolies can harm anyone, even the ones who (think they can) control it. Eventually its gonna lead to total collapse. Lets just hope only the monopoly falls...
Other countries are able to make their own shows and movies.
It's why indie shows like The Amazing Digital Circus are blowing up. They get to tell the stories they want to tell without corporate intervention, and surprise, surprise- letting artists tell original, fun stories brings success. The only real problem with indie is that some staff are unable to get paid as much as a professional studio (From talking to my animation friends who've worked on Lackadaisy/Helluva Boss. )
TADC pulling in crazy numbers is also just kinda hilarious. Episode 1 currently has 324 million views. Ep 2 at the moment is lower with 84 million. Indie animators are pulling in numbers that professional studios could only dream of on top of having more creative control.
maybe if they hadn't abandoned hand drawn animation, and kept it relevant for films, it wouldn't be here now.
Do you want great characters and impactful storytelling that provide a lasting impression, or do you merely want "hand drawn animation"? Be honest.
The Super Mario Bros. Movie suggests that audiences want first and foremost the former option.
@@dogg-paws
>The Super Mario Bros Movie
> Impactful Storytelling
LMAO
@OhSayWhatIsTruth If I change your examples, I do agree with the sentiment. As much as I adore Richard Williams, I will take Puss In Boots: The Last Wish over The Thief and The Cobbler Recobbled. While the latter has beautiful animation, it ends up being a series of tech demos while the former has excellent visuals along with deep storytelling about the fear of death and loyalty to others.
@@KetsubanSolo Speak for yourself, the Peaches scene was awesome.
There's very little fatigue when comes to things like franchises and genres... But there most definitely is a fatigue over bad releases and lack of creativity.
Just L.A.? Mm, all right. 🍻
When you make things cheaply you get a cheap result that no one likes instead of spending money to make money. Trash animation doesn’t make me want to watch shows.
Ironically, I think that the Animation Guild going on strike would be JUST AS DETRIMENTAL as signing a bad contract... Darned if ya do, darned if ya don't.
California is just too expensive to pay a living wage for a job that a mere TV episode would require 32,000 individual drawings. There's a reason that work has long been sent overseas to Korea.
YES!! YESS!!! YESSSS!!!
Thats incredible good knews! If that industry collapses, it means the echo chamber will be shattered, and ACTUAL diversity of shows can be made. Because all shows honestly feel like is trying yo be the next Steven Universe or try to be the next Regular show, and that is getting boring... Also that means less politically driven shows, because doesnt matter if they export the animation, the writing still the same.
Also good, animatirs and writers from LA are the most entitled, arrogant, a**hole people in entertainment.
I feel like most shows are trying to be more like the next "Avatar: The Last Airbender." A lot of popular animated works these days seem to replicate its use of morally grey characters, and redemption arcs in the midst of a life ending crisis such as "The Owl House," "She-Ra and the Princesses of Power," "Amphibia," and "Steven Universe."
@@ThePrincessCHis that a bad thing
@@noahbossier1131 Depends on how much variety you want in your media.
@@ThePrincessCH I’m just bringing it up because a lot of animators and artists want to be creative. As much as the so called clownfish say. A lot of animators and artists hated working on the 80s shows and the shows with the so called “millennial therapy” sessions are people making shows they would be entertained by just like the old generation of cartoonists made in the 90s rebelling from the 70s and 80s. Also the lore shows are because they want to straight up make young adult shows but no one accepted adult animation that wasn’t family guy. So they forced them to be on kids networks but because tween cartoons is seen as something risky studios rarely invest in them. Only now we are seeing more of a change because it’s difficult to get 6-11 kids to watch Y7 traditional tv(and I Don’t mean like TOH I mean even BCG which is Disney’s most successful internal production doesn’t get as close to enough views compared to TH-cam stuff).
@@ThePrincessCH I think it ignores the fact that older cartoons like gargoyles attempted to do the same thing
6:35 Ruby Gillman did bad because it was barely advertised and the trailer pretty much gave away the whole plot.
It's interesting seeing the reputations of Calarts slowly shift into something undesirable in the public eye.
Why is the US animation industry collapsing? Could it possibly be because they're not making products anyone wants to buy? I think so!
How would an industry insider know what's killing his industry? The only people who know what's killing his industry are the customers. So who does he blame? His bosses of course! Corporate greed! Creatives are so important to him! They deserve more respect! No sir... They don't. In fact they need to be put back in their place. They need to remember they make a product that people either buy or don't. And if they don't their failures.
The human mind it's like a room full of mousetraps ready to be set off by the right words and it's impossible for the average person to separate "This is what's happening" and "It's a good thing this is happening".
I can get your frustration expressing throughout the video that you don't agree with what you're seeing but he's an explanation for why it's happening.
Now that the streaming bubble has burst, I'm putting all my hopes that industry veterans would pull a DreamWorks or a Don Bluth and go out on their own, or for creators with a repertoire to pull a Vivsiepop or a Lackadaisy and crowdfund their show.
The trending move for businesses and companies right now is shooting their own feet. Whats even more confusing is that the higher ups greenlit this.
The writer's strike has forced the show I work on to cut a ton of artists and we still have to put out the same amount of content in the same amount of time. Artists here think the solution is... strike and ask for MORE stuff. I can't comprehend the naivety of the people here, man. Creatives are going to destroy their own industry.
Just move out of L.A, it's such a shitty place to live and definitely not worth the cost of living there.
Do not complain about unemployment if you activily destroyed your professions reputation by producing junk.
The problem with unionizing in USA is that the unions for particular branches are often on their own. Look at Sweden and their unions. If was mainly the metal/industry workers of the union IF Metall that went on a strike against Tesla just because Tesla refused to sign for the "Kollektivavtal". Other unions for various other branches also striked and blockaded Tesla. Among them the transport union refusing to deliver to Tesla, hence crippling their logistical line. Also, here in Sweden.. all kind of IT-related workers are usually members of Unionen (the name litterarily meaning "The Union" in English), and so is also artists such as graphics artists and animators. Which makes it much easier to negotiate as a unified union for various branches. American unions are very useless compared to Swedish unions.
That makes sense and seems more effective, I think it's an issue of scale. America has 333,288,000 people while Sweden has 10,487,000, it might not be a good idea for there to be a centralized union umbrella for the states, just because they want to maintain flexibility and autonomy among themselves
@@crakhaed Not the size itself that is a problem. Since Sweden got support from other countries' unions too. Like the German transport Union blockading the German ports, same with Norwegian and Danish transport unions too.
A good solution in USA would be to have a decentralized union network, one for each state. That way it will be more flexible and only affect the appropriate states. That way, it is more scalable as well. Since the price index and wage index in various states are different. Like California is very expensive while Alabama is very cheap, like an eastern european country. For US case, its better to have it on state level, just like European countries are individual countries with different wage and price indices.
Feels like a bunch of Agent Orange being sprayed on the animation industry, and we're not sure what the long term health effects will be.
They do animation in LA?
I thought that was all outsourced to Canada and Korea?
AI is terrifying, yet if you have something anyone can use to generate animation, you have to wonder whether it will all end up looking the same. Just because you have the tools doesn't mean that you can replace creativity, it's just a way to save money. There's a ton of very tedious work to be automated away, but in the end, you still have to verbalize and visualize something compelling and new to catch and hold people's attention.
Plus, they think that they can just pluck people’s art to be fed to generators. Thinking you can do as you please with no effort in the creation business never goes well. People have already developed ways to prevent AI from using stolen images. That technology will grow. Humans are important. But hey, at least the stress will weed out the artists most people seem mad at for essentially being entitled babies, which is a minority.
personally i think the AI is just that; a tool. No matter how efficient tech gets, the human element must ALWAYS remain. And as a major factor to boot. AI can be used to handle logistical chores, but the designs, stories, and any element of creativity needs to come from the human. AI should be used to fill in the gaps or give an idea but its the human that has to lead.
I'll still never forgive them for cancelling the Thundercats remake, only to give us ROAR. People go to Hell for much less.
Thank goodness. The faster it disappears, the faster society can heal... Well, there's a lot of other things in the industry that needs to disappear. But once it does, we can start to heal and actually focus on true diversity and get back to being able to be civil to each other.
Well that should tell you that spitting in the face of costumers is a terrible business practice
anyone that does that, even in the best case scenario is only risking economic suicide.
I've seen amazing fan-made animations and often it's a solo animator from halfway across the world. You can't gaslight people into consuming your content, especially when it doesn't resonate.
Too bad that our hopes and dreams were shattered. Oh well. I guess theres always rebuilding from the ground up with hard work, pain and suffering.
First off, companies have always outsourced animation, this isn’t new or why the animation industry is failing.
America has always treated animation like dogshit, and everyone blames the artist. But it’s mostly companies who have people at the top who don’t like movies or animation. The problem is still like, everything else in America is massive companies who want unrealistic returns in stocks.
Maybe… stop harming your audience and make the story and characters good
You perfectly described smiling friends
They will be standing on street corners holding signs that read, "will create bad shows for food".
It is not about producing quality anymore>> but hiring favoritism regardless of talent
Standards have tremendously dropped
Ai won't level up art. Look the webtoon problem, a bunch of AI content, all of them looking almost identical in a place that artists already copy themselves. Ai will probably saturate the one, or two particular style. AI art on pinterest face the exactly same problem, beatiful art, but most almost the same style.
I'm a artist from Brazil, and now a lot of american studios ask here for professionals ( back than in comic industry brazilian artists usually were paid the same of a american artist, so a lot of brazilian artitst here became really rich ), but the rates are even for us getting low. We accept that, because we facing lots of economic problems, but there'is the currency convertion issue, here in Brazil a low paid service in dollar when converted to Reais, become a really well paid job, way above the average brazilian income, so aren't just low cost of living compared to US the reason. A low paid freelance job still way better than a traditional job nowadays. But, probably even this will be a problem in the next years, so even low paid
By the way, the now contract outside professionals to fit the DEI sector. Myself get a job ina american studio, thinking that I get because my portfolio and obviously the rates, but I discovered that I also was contracted to check diversity points in the company. This is weird becuase, well, a country isn't a race. Anya- Taylor Joy is caucasian as fuck, she is the whitest white woman from Argentina, that is totally white in most part, so pick someone like here as diversity is bizarre, she is more white than Ben Affleck. auhuhahuaa
Make streaming services give access to archived movies and shows. This will help save the movie theater business (only place to watch new movies and not putting them on streaming services the same day) and then tv shows that are new or currently airing stay on tv (makes interest, discussion last longer opposed to putting a whole season up at once and then it doesn’t get talked about a week after it comes out or when a new season comes out) AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST MAKE THE STORIES THAT YOU WANT TO TELL GOOD.
Babylon Has Fallen
LA can not get hit hard enough as far as we flyover states are concerned.
Buy your favorite animation on blu ray/dvd
You can work from home on animation as well as from North Korea…😮
3:20 yeah, they are sending it to other countries or... um America's hat lol. i'm Canadian and i love the Canada's not a country jokes/memes.
AI animation took a huge leap this week
hopefully my DISNEY PASSION PROJECT IN MUSICAL HAND DRAWN ANIMATION goal doesnt go in vain because still previously it was confirmed by Disney frozen creators that it is accepting future hand drawn projects from future filmmakers, which at this point i am in the USA about to be nationalized. besides, I think japanese related people should be involved for the management in order to reboot things and improve more the quality of the industry
I'm not watching any western animation at all at the moment, so I have limited reason to care. It's sad for some of the people involved, but the industry didn't want my money.
Time for indie animation and going into the affordable AI animation age
I don’t think AI is a good idea, simply because once big companies get their paws on it, they’ll steal tons of images from regular artists without regarding them.
Calarts destroyed the quality of the animation.
DEI destroyed the quality of the writing.
I honestly thought the American animation industry ended in the 90s.
Yeah, the auto-workers in Detroit wanted a lot of things too. What do they have now?
World's tiniest violin.
Just finished watching Attack on Titan yesterday.bruh , american animation,........no , just no
If it's not good, I ain't buying.
Almost like artificially increasing the price of labor pertaining to actors and writers made them cut from other parts of the industry….who would’ve guessed
There's now AI sites that can do text to 3D objects. It's not the best but it gets the job done for small objects. I wouldn't recommend it for full body characters but for items it's perfect!
i supported the strikes last year, hell yeah, i'd support animators, voice actors, etc.! ... but not that into podcasts...
They throw crap like "Velma" in people's faces (2 seasons of it no less!) and then wonder why the Animation industry is dying?????????? Is this even a question??????
CalArt was unique at first with Steven Universe but it REALLY overstayed its welcome.
It wasn't really an appealing look to begin with.
So you're telling me that God exist...
The problem they outsource there animation outside the us.
Except the writing and acting though.
Disney thinks it can come for eastern animation
I wonder if they'll have the capital for it.
and if the animation houses will be fumb enough to fall for it.
"AI" video/animation is going to be a threat within a couple of years, and it'll have completely destroyed the animation industry before 2030. People will still do it as a hobby or a niche, bespoke artform, but it won't be a *_business_* any more. It's incredibly sad for the animators, but nobody has an obligation to pay them to do something that doesn't need doing.
The modern audience does exist but its just a small audience compared to the one that have been demonised and thrown aside.
> When suddenly you're noticing there's a bit more unusually higher quality Rule 34 animations showing up on the internet from pseudonyms you've not seen before...
Oh no, anyway whats for lunch?
Nobody who could do a little bit of research would want to join the animation industry, much less move to California for $50k a year
Thoughts and prayers (whatever).
11:17 AI animation will take over by 2030
Probably. Do you have any examples of early stuff, like what does an ai project look like? What does the production look like?
Does it make me a terrible person that this makes me happy?
We should make America A 3rd world country to compete with 3rd world countries guys! COMEON!!!! we can do it. 10 cents a day. I am sure our capitalist overlords wont mind getting only 4 dollars a month for a 3500 dollar shoebox. If this is how business is, then let there be no business.
Stunning how many industries have been completely destroyed and all of it was self created.
I just think of that one quote from Abraham Lincoln said America won’t be destroyed from the outside but inside, and just apply that to most things in the west.
The 2010s was really a turn for the worse in western animation, first with the TV shows in the first half, and then with movies during the second half. This is just more proof that we're currently in the "Second Dark Age of Animation".
It was sad living through those times as a cartoon fan. Things looked so glorious in the late 2000s, so many good cartoons had just come out and great new stuff was taking the world by storm. Then we could see things slowly deteriorate in real time, at first seemingly a little, then more and more so until around '16 things just started going down hard with quality going down, originality seemingly dying out and political micspam infesting things to an untenable degree to the point of making new releases borderline unwatchable. Come 2020 Western animation was breathing its last to me and it hasn't changed for the better since, with all the same plagues still at large.
I wish animation would have a miracle unlike any other
@@cattrucker8257 it really is depressing, but I’m not surprised. 2016 is the just where everything went to shit, like depths of hell shit.
@@JoseHernandez-xv2bt Not just for animation, but for EVERYTHING.
And this is one of the biggest reasons why anime has become more popular in the last 10 years than ever. Great stories and characters, amazing lore and world building, and no DEI crap.
Between this and the Square Enix news, it’s a sign that the world of animation is slowly healing.
Don't get your hopes up until you know all of their ulterior motives
@@captainnyan-nyan2005can't b optimistic but ur right. The reality is blackrock and others have trillions of dollars or UR money. Hopefully Aladdin becomes self aware and gives the money back. Or takes it for itself. Whatever. Either way nothing is gonna change anytime soon
There is still some cancer to remove.
Pity that many Forests of loved IP's had to burn in the process.
>square enix
You have no idea
It’s crazy how in a matter of years EVERY entertainment industry has gone to complete shit. Not a single thing is in good hands.
How muich you wanna bet this was a coordinated attack on all facets of culture by some group of people who want to give marxism yet ANOTHER try.
Foreign ones are doing alright. Oddly enough, the only western animation I do watch these days come from youtubers.
@@sianais yeah it’s just crazy how western cinema gaming animation and music have all fallen to the same fucking problems in like 10 years time
@@sianais Interesting cause animation friends in Europe, Latin America, and Asia are struggling to find work.
@@matthewadkins7973 it’s the same group of people behind the changes in each of those industries
As an artist, I am sick of seeing our animations downgrading, looking cheap, and they dont do much cool animations like they did back then.
Anime still looks amazing and they mostly look the same DX
And anime nowadays is basically outsourced to Korea where a ton of animators trace over 3D models. That's the tragedy of animation: the good stuff usually involves exploiting cheap labor.
@KetsubanSolo for real like wth. I told someone...I get that 2D is expensive but companies like example Disney literally pay over 200 million dollars for Wish....that money could have been for a 2D film. I'm sick of 3D animation 😒
@@arantarisu_yamu2414 Wish was going to suck whether if it was 2D or otherwise. You've got the wrong priorities.
@OhSayWhatIsTruth that's not what I meant. I meant that companies alwayssss have excuses to not pay for 2D animators but they'll turn around and over spend on 3D films that look the same over and over or look cheap. I'm not saying Wish would have been better if it was 2D. You missed what my point was.
I'm fine with 3D films but having both 2D and 3D films would be nice.
I miss when shows had their own art style or were unique to their artists.
Friendly reminder that ESG money is not infinite nor can the money printers keep up with the trash quality of woke media.
Actually esg money turns into taxpayer money like Himeland supporting sbi. And of course you have the BBC.
@mikect500 they better stay away from my money I'm not funding their garbage.
@@NeocrimsonX you won't have a choice. In fact some Hollywood rag has already put out an article stating that all Hollywood workers should be nationalized and be given a "livable" income because everything is tanking in the ratings.
@@mikect500actually people are starting to pull out the 401ks cuz they need the money now and that's where the problem is lies they don't care if they take a 30% hit on their money they want it now.
Kinko's Joe disagrees.
Considering "Calarts" was the reason western animation declied. I'm not surprised it's starting to catch fire.
You can’t make toys, video games, movies or clothes properly with the majority of calarts animation. I said the majority of calarts animation, not all of it. Adventure time worked.
@@donnerblitzen1388 Because all those calarts cartoons are the million dollar budget self insert fanfictions Of their own creators who're both economically illiterate and refuse to understand art needs a balance between artistic vision and being marketable. If it doesn't have value is not art.
@@donnerblitzen1388 EXACTLY! So many Calarts cartoons aren't made with merchandising tie-ins in mind because a lot of these recent creators and showrunners in animation are financially illiterate. Aside from Adventure Time, the only one I can think of that did merchandising well was Steven Universe and those 3 video games they made. It's okay to have artistic vision, but has to be marketable/profitable at the end of the day.
@@bradleyharris774 gravity falls?
@@bradleyharris774I’m so mad gumball didn’t get much merch.
Imagine a blind box set for the residents of Elmore! There’s tons of variety, and everyone would want a complete set.
Japan: "Yes!! Finally we've won."
DEInosaurs are coming for it next. Japanese suits will bow down to it even more readily, being happy little followers to whatever they think the West is championing, and well, about that.
Anime will probably survive but I don't see it going through it without a fight, including domestically from Blackrock-invested interests.
BlackRock will march on their soil
that depends. the majority of japanese are conservative in their culture. one good example is japan's yahoo website. of the yahoo website based on different countries, japan has always been that look since the late 90's. you are looking at a website that hasn't changed because the japanese won't allow the corporate culture modern website look throughout the decades.
@@cattrucker8257 given how cost efficient anime production is in comparison to hollywood, all they'd have to do is throw them some pocket lint to line their pockets and alot of the will do as you've said
Japan won ,like in 1992.
They said it was ai that was gonna put them out of a job, instead it was the consequences of their own actions
I mean, AI is still a serious issue for people who love art and creation. The people currently floundering are ones who would exploit AI to cut costs.
@@jacksonvoet8312both wrong. Because the people out of the Job are the first to raise the ruckus making absurd demands about AI art and making these "soulless" claims, which of course they're also the ones who were trying to horde it for themselves. But these people are just going through a cycle that's much older than the whole Woke movement, which whenever there's a unique IP that they're at the core of its always self destruction, while if it's a larger brand they always harm the brad as their power dies. I advise you to look up Ken Penders of Archie Comics Infamy. AI art is going to become over saturated and if you look at it enough across multiple programs particular features of the art become very predictable and samey, any artist who views the AI as a tool now and learns to use it to cut down on their production time while keeping their own style, they're going to be the guys who actually will stand out and get all the attention in the coming future.
And these losers knew that, that's why they were lobbying for protectionist policies that would make it so they alone would have AI art, so then they could pump out BS and have people attribute the repetitions of AI art systems to their style so they wouldn't have to put in any effort.
NPCs don't recognize they are AI 1.0
@@jacksonvoet8312 you emotionally manipulate people right here.
AI is for creativity and art.
Well, at least animation fans still have the golden age of the 1990s. We can call animation today the brown age.
For comic books, it's the Mercury Age: Never solid, always toxic, and precious in name only.
or the Rust Age, as it is slowly dying unless Care is given to the Industry
The real problem is that there aren't "modern audiences" of the size the entertainment industry would want. :(
Well, it's a problem for their profits, true. I think it's probably good for society on the whole; that particular audience tends to be a net negative.
even if it was, I highly doubt even they would have support it for long assuming if they are even able to.
Oh boy, here we are finally, so let's look at this. For years, these animation studios have been putting out garbage that no one watched. Then they all cry, so they get laid off, but you look at studios like Bilbi and others in Asia, and they are just blowing the doors off stuff. It just shows you how arrogant LA got and how now they are paying the piper. Profit is everything, and if you're not profitable, you're gone. Here is a little secret: about 10 years ago, a lot of young animators were at Disney, and they all jumped and left and moved to Asia away from the BS guilds now everyone was looking to them while these people left in LA who had the ego are now getting to sit at home.