The True Western Stagecoach | Engels Coach Shop
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- The mud wagon was the workhorse of stagecoaches in the American west. They were simplistic, durable, and an economical mode of transportation. This project is a family heirloom that is being put back together for a grandson of the family. Building and restoring horse drawn vehicles often involves such vehicles of importance to the next generation.
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Dave, Nathan Elliot in Tennessee is a sawyer who watches your channel and highly recommended it to your viewers. He may be able to help you out as he has lots of various species of Oak. His channel is Out of The Woods. Might be worth reaching out to him. Good fella. Down to earth and willing to help others. Just a thought sir.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I'll bet Nathan can help for sure.
Watch his program. Another good guy
I literally watched Nathan's latest video right before I watched this one. He was sawing some white oak 6x6 posts for a customer.. He knows what he's doing and has his own kiln. I've been watching his videos about as long as I've been watching yours.
He's in N.E. Tennessee so don't know if shipping costs will be an issue but he's the first guy I thought of too. That first load you had was junk. Nathan splits better wood than that was for firewood!! Good luck!!
*- Yup, if the kiln dried timber is good enough and air dried wood is not needed, then Nathan could get what is needed done.*
Nathans channel Out of the woods
Can’t wait to watch this mud wagon rise from the “ashes”. So exciting.
In my eye I see junk but I love your eye because you see a wagon.
Only the eye of an experienced cartwright can find useable parts in a crate full of junk. This will be another Lazarus project. We’ll see an old derelict stagecoach standing up from its grave. I cannot wait to see that mud wagon being reborn, Dave!
I agree with you very much. You are being very kind to say that this is a pile of junk. It is far worse than that. I like that all his build projects are done with a lot of skill and love.
I love seeing all the specialized tools and machines you have to work your magic
I stumbled on you're channel about four years ago, and it's always a joy to watch you work. I've always thought you were quite the artisan and craftsmen, so keep the videos comming because they are so good.
Agreed, there is nothing better than Saturday breakfast bacon and eggs with these videos learning how things used to be done and in many cases still are.
I agree been also watching for years and find it fascinating as well as how much i learn not just about the wagons and carriages, but the techniques that can be applied to all sorts of projects i also get up to myself. all tools to stick in the mental tool box.
Agree 100%
100% agree with the suggestion to contact Nathan Elliott / Out of the Woods.
I watch both, Mr. Elliott and Mr. Engel for quite some time and I am always stunned by their dedication to the type of work they do.
Interesting, that others in the community have similar preferences. Must have something to do with the way information is presented, and craftsmanship is shown here.
Regards from Germany
Ralf
We have seen you build all sorts of wheels and wagons from scratch, but when I looked at that pile of rotten wood and rusted iron I started wondering how you will be turning this into a stagecoach. This promises to be another feast to watch! Greetings and all the best wishes for you and your family from Mallorca.
Greetings to you.
Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing!
Got to agree , how you see beyond a box of woodworm and scrap metal to a fully restored vehicle says much of the man’s talent ..Best wishes from Javea Spain ..👍
Our first view of the mud wagon at 12;27 reminded me of the favourite saying of Tony Burlack,
my old friend and wheelwright mentor,- "Well, it looks bad but I think we can fix it."
That has stood me in good stead for lo these many years. Thanks for being someone else who thinks and acts the same.
I know it's from experience..... But it always amazes me, how you can just look over a pile of "junk", and figure out all the pieces and where they go..... like a puzzle with no picture on the face. That has to take many, many years of experience. Excellent work!!
Six months later, I went back to see again what a pile of wood and scrap metal this project began with! :)
Dave, even a great archeologist would use that pile for firewood, talk about coming back from the dead! Man you have a hopeful soul.
Try the wooden boat folks for the wood. What you need would be offcuts for them. Port Townsend is a name I have picked up from watching the Tally Ho project.
I think Leo uses Edensaw Woods (at least he has done an episode there)
I'm from Connecticut, and New England Naval Timbers in Cornwall is the go-to for white oak around here.
They supply Mystic Seaport and supplied timber for the 2009 rebuild of Canada's national schooner Bluenose II.
You can have a visit with Duke and his unique yard by looking through the 'Tips From a Shipwright' channel.
Another vote for Nathan over at "Out Of The Woods".... cheers from Down Under.
Love to see rubber tyre setter in action! What a great piece of machinery 👍
😎🤙🕉kudos on envisioning a mud wagon from that box of parts! Always a joy to watch you at work!
I have been messing around with old cars here in England for over 50 years and I have seen some 'basket case' restorations in my time. This just about beats them all! Good luck with turning it into a complete, working stagecoach.
I see a pile of scrap wood or maybe firewood. You see a wagon. For years I’ve enjoyed your videos. Thanks.
I cannot wait to see how to reconstruct this 'Mud Wagon'.
Love yer flower pot at the front of the shop - perks the place up.
Gives meaning to the concept of a basket case.
If you don't find a reasonable supplier for the 6" white oak. A good source for odd size lumber is kiln services. For that sized material, vacuum kiln operators on the east coast would be your best bet. Even if they don't have any currently dry, it would only take them a couple of weeks to get it fully dried without damaging the wood at all.
Thank you again for another great video please keep them coming.
Before I started watching your channel, all I would have seen if I uncovered that mud wagon in a field would have been a pile of firewood and scrap iron. Now I know to give it a second glance, not that i would ever tackle such a project.
Hi there tuff guy I just wanted to say thanks for keeping the art of the old wood working of the old west and east alive, also the work of farmers had too do for the life of there family and the U S A. I say thank you.
Dave love your show watch every chance i get
Looking forward to seeing the mudwagon come together. I would be totally daunted at this point.
Nah, just needs a couple of screws and a coat of paint. ;)
@@Reziac, your sense of humour is exceeded only by your optimism. 😁
You're really getting good use out of those electric hoists! They sure are better than killing your back... Can't wait to see how this new project progresses!
I have watched you for years now. With your edits to this video I understand now how detailed your work and craft are just to rubber tires. You are absolutely a master at what you do and if no one else thanks you please allow me to do it for all of us. Thank you!!!!
Dave, you told us years ago that the wagons and all have taught you most of what you know about how to repair them. I have always learned more from a teacher that I knew and liked. And you look for the story that they can tell us about their lifetime. You are able to give them another chance to be useful, a rare thing in this age of designed obsolesce.
Always a pleasure watching you do 19th century burnouts on your shop floor!
I learn things that I didn't know thank you for your videos
Here we go with another box of bits that will be made into a fabulously restored Mud Wagon. Never ceases to amaze. Looking forward to another great series. Hello and best wishes from Jersey (and not New Jersey , but Jersey , Channel Isles ) .
I am an old man and probably will not live to see you finish the mud wagon, but it is fascinating. I will watch as long as I can. I love your work and marvel at the depth of your knowledge.
You don't think you're going to make it through the winter?
Thanks again young man......
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I like you a lot. I follow you from the Arab world from the Middle East. I like your channel
Dave: I am looking forward tp another great build series, David Adair
Archaeological hunt is right. Did you talk about the origins of the mud wagon puzzle (barn, side of the road, bottom of a cliff, …)? It’s been a while, but it’s still amazing to watch you bounce a rubber tire closed.
Yes indeed, I too would like to hear the history of this remarkable pile of puzzle parts. Makes the reconstruction that much more interesting, to know where it's been.
All of the huge number of special-purpose machines, dies, mandrels and so forth that you have made is astounding. You are a great inventor. Would there be much interest in others around the world who might erven be doing what you do for paying customers who still use these wooden-based vehicles and associated products (not just Amish!)? They might find you various special equipment perfect for a job that they now do by hand in a very complicated and slow manner.
My brother built wooden boats. Specifically lobster boats. He sourced white oak at other wooden boat builder shops and or private wood mills. Hope this helps!
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Very interesting procedure replacing the buggy tire .
DAVE, GREAT VIDEO, LETS'S GO TO WORK...I WILL WAIT ON YOU...I'M REALLY NOT READY YET MYSELF...
Raising this mud wagon from the dead! “Arise Mudwagon, and come out”. A miraculous feat of engineering if nothing else. This is so good to watch.
I am a new viewer And I am completely amazed. Binge watching now!
There's an old phrase for that letting something set for a while til you get a feel for it -- to "get it into your eye". It's a really valuable skill for reconstruction of pretty much anything.
Dave, You should do a before and after photo of these Chuck Wagon projects. However, you should do it wearing Merlin the Magician’s costume. The work you do is absolutely magical.
THE TROLLS MAY COME AT YOU BUT YOUR PROCESS WORKS YOU HAVE SOME GREAT CONTENT, AND WHO CAN FAULT YOUR SUCCESS. I WORK ANOTHER WAY, I'LL HAVE 3-4 PROJECTS GOING AT ONCE, IF ONE STUMPS ME I MOVE TO ANOTHER AND THINK OF WAYS AROUND OR WAYS TO FIX WHAT IS STUMPING ME ON THE OTHER PROJECT AND GET BACK TO THEM IN TIME. YOU DO WHAT WORKS FOR YOU AND IT IS GREAT TO WATCH KEEP IT COMING MASTER.
Out of the woods is a u tuber that runs a saw mill he cut a lot of white oak you can get in touch with him he cut all kinds of wood and he does sell to good luck and keep up the good work really enjoy watching your work
Once again thanks for the video.
it is pretty impressive all the things you can do and what it takes to restore a carriage or wagon that seemingly looks like a lost cause.. Neat you can reuse all that old iron and keep some authenticity to it.. I learn an awful lot from your Chanel even though i will never be building anything like it .. glad you can help the Amish folks in your area too..
I have a big long wagon in my front yard (hay wagon?) left for dead and falling apart when I bought the property. I believe I talked to Mr Engels about it in emails. Wish I could get it pristine but Mr Engels looked at the pictures and deemed it an ambience ornament unless I wanted to spend big money. I can see that now. Wheelwrighting is an artform as well as a highly skilled vocation. Oh well. Maybe some day...,
I've been watching your videos for many years, and I just love them! It makes me feel a little better about our disintegrating world to know that there are still a few decent, hard working, intelligent, resourceful, self-reliant people left on planet Earth. Please keep up the great work...you're inspiring us to follow your example and to take a little more care with the work we do, too.
Think one of the first videos on your was on setting rubber tires, and using that contraption, pulling those wires and that bouncing game to close the gap in the tire are still one if my favourite items to watch! 😀👏
Always amazing to watch your work , thanks Dave , all the best from down here in Australia..
Pretty cool that we can enjoy these videos Down Under. Happy viewing.
Awesome you guys are so happy
As always, thank you for sharing your time with us, just wish I lived a little closer so I could come by and bug you every day and maybe even learn a thing or two!
I am looking forward to the “archeological dig” and restoration of this Mud Wagon.
That mud wagon analysis is amazing. You have to be a combination of craftsman, mechanic, archaeologist and jigsaw puzzle master.
I know where there is a huge warehouse full of dried (white) oak in 6" square, 8" square, and some much bigger, sizes. There are thousands of tons of the stuff. Unfortunately for you, it's near me in East Anglia, UK. It supplied all the timber for the recreation of Shakespear's Globe Theatre in London, for instance.
Good evening to all from SE Louisiana 4 Nov 22.
Приятно смотреть за работой человека, который вкладывает всю свою душу в то что делает. Браво мастер!
Thanks, Mr. Dave!! (and Diane!!) This will be another interesting project to follow along with!! I hope you are still getting some time and production in out at your Country Estate!! :-)
Dave. We like puzzles! Tracing the origin of the mud wagon will be interesting. After learning a greater knowledge of these various wagons and carriages. I enjoy the older westerns much more. How the forces of the pulling animal are distributed through the different frame components. Great stuff
Skidmarks on the floor of a wagon shop. Must be powerful wagons.
That mudwagon "puzzle" looks like a sudoku with only one number filled in initially.
Good luck, and stay safe.
I can't wait to see what the original mud wagon looked like, if you can determine it... good video!
Incredible how you can make something out of "nothing" but shambles.
Fascinating to watch you figure out and totally rebuild any wagon.
Even tho the tire machine is not your design, it's a marvel you were able to fabricate it. Wow!!
I can't wait to see you make a mud wagon out of a pile of firewood. It should be good, but I know you can do it.
Ich sehe jede Folge und bin immer wieder begeistert von den Fähigkeiten, von dem Werkzeug und der wunderbaren Werkstatt.
Es gibt nur noch ganz wenige Handwerker, die so ein Spektrum an Fähigkeiten haben und noch praktizieren.
Immer wieder Hut ab!
I like the way you measure the tension of the wires with your ears. The Roman architect Vitruvius in the 1st century bc describes this method for getting the tension right on the siege engines. Our ears also tell us how sharp our tools are….
Must be your optimistic nature Dave and your great imagination. Been following for many years now and look forward to another weekly (now bi-weekly) adventure each week.
Those plain people are fortunate to have your skills so close to their homes.
Quite an amazing coincidence they settled just 15 miles away, don't you think? Now I'm wondering how Dave lets them know it's done. I mean it's not like you can call them up or anything. Smoke signals perhaps?
@@1pcfred Amish do use phones. They just don’t have them in their homes
@@davekuder1590 I guess that puts us back at smoke signals then. Or are you saying they all carry smartphones?
Thanks Dave
Even though I've watched you do many of them, it always amazes me how the rubber tyres are put on. Particularly the skidding (if indeed it's called that!) to get the two ends to meet!
That is a great contraption to set the tire wheels. it looks like you annealed the wire inside the tire just before and after the joint. Then you brazed or silver-soldered the wires together.
Thank you for sharing the video. Definitely very interesting.
I feel yet another epic build coming! Thank you sir.
Can't wiat to watch the mud wagon come back to life!
I'll ask around here in Western Washington see if any of the local mills can accomodate.
14:06 that's a lot iron to clean up and paint.
It’s not weird that you bring in the future project just so there near. Amazingly the mind will start processing what’s needed @nd the steps that’ll be required to complete the repair or rebuild. And when ready to start it’ll just start making sense of Wharton steps are needed and what parts that’ll need to be made. Enjoy your channel immensely! 👍👍👍👍👍
Gosh... i've lost the number of years since i've started following. Had a period in between where TH-cam kicked my subscription out, but it's been a fun road, not a single time did i get bored of watching you work. Something about being the master of your craft makes me watch and soak as much as possible.
amazing technique. God bless you for sharing
A puzzle? Well that's one way to describe that mudwagon! Other words are available.
I think bring the parts in to the shop to start your thought process on rebuilding the coach is a great place to start. A lot of parts to sort through and figure out where they go and what they went to for sure! It also gives you a chance to see what you have and what you don't! As far as the White oak 6 inch stock that is dry enough might be hard to come by ji am sute kiln dry stuff is probably almost non existent! Would good to find some that has been in a barn drying for ten years of more though! LOL!
Woo wee what a jumble Dave have a day love from TEXAS
You are an artist. TY for your thoughtful content
Lots of good stuff going on in the shop, two step forward one step back. Thanks for sharing.
Hours more of entertainment coming up for me and many other persons to see you put this together. Thank you.
I have been a sub for some time. First thought I had about the tire was, nice it's been a while. As always. love this channel and the different tasks at hand. Thank you for bringing us along.
Dave & Diana, Leo Gooldin has a youtube channel called Samson Boat Company. A few years ago he got some big timber, and I think it was oak from a place in Connecticut. You could easily check with him about that.
Looking forward to seeing your magic on this project.
The breadth and depth of your knowledge is amazing.
Nice work!
Thank you for letting us watch.
I love the video and you always amaze me the way you research and put old things back in working and usable order. Thank you for giving and sharing your journey with me I love to see and learn.
Thanks to you Mr. Engel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Never gets old watching you set rubber tires. I'm always impressed with your machine. Simple yet complicated. Thanks again for sharing.
Really looking forward to the build, Dave.
Oh wow. This will be a fun winter project to see you bring this dead mud wagon back to life. I shall enjoy the journey. Thanks for sharing this, Dave.
Awesome! Love your work!