Amazing writing. I understand Kenshin's need to protect but Hiko's point of stepping back and looking at the bigger picture is astounding. I remember seeing this when I was 14, and I sided with Kenshin's point of view. Now i'm 22 and I understand Hiko...
@@ThievNWalrus I wonder what is your take now with all the wisdom you have gained between 14, then 22, and now 33. I like your growth and development. Cheers buddy! 🍻
@@lebrent312 Definately! I completely understand what he's saying in that their talent/power of Hiten Mitsurugi should not belong to a political faction. Since they won't know what to do with you, they will instead use you. And if you try to talk sense into someone who will make a mistake, will they listen? Are they ready to hear what you have to say? You can see this in everyday life with your relations with people. I've seen good people get taken advantage of by lessers due to their good nature and what they can offer them. If you don't have the personal awareness to see it, you can get real burned by others. This will end innocence real fast. Should you get involved their disputes just because you care about them? Is it the right choice? And if you involve yourself, are they ready to hear what you have to say and will the outcome be the same as it was if you didn't involve yourself?
"Death no longer terrifies man. The smell of blood is as common as the smell of white plums, so he creates slavery and savagery which surpass the horror of dying. These can only be fought with more bloodshed...and the cycle never ends..." - Hiko Seijuro
He ultimately came to understand that fixing the world is impossible, but protecting his dearest helps form a world that is even just a tiny bit more beautiful. Gorgeous story.
Kenshin isn't fighting Shishio because Shishio wants to bring the government down. He fights Shishio because HE (Kenshin) is the reason there even IS Shishio. Shishio filled in his shoes when he walked away from the revolution and became their new assassin. Now, Shishio wants to bring about a new government where the weaker man will be oppressed. Shishio is Kenshin's responsibility, that's why he fights him.
Damn this is very precise. Even strengthening what Hiko tried to point out about someone else's justice. After he left, these forces look for another him. That's what it is, someone else again is murdering for the sake of others
This has to be one of the most deep and profound truths for any man or woman can hear, before listing yourself in any army of the world just listen to this, exchange the sword for a rifle and there you have it...
Many in militaries are fools. They take pride in their service, and the possibility of killing bad guys because they are drowned in their own sense of righteousness. They are the "good guys" so nothing they did was wrong. It's sickening to watch people dehumanize others like it was some videogame.
I think that Hiko's words are an excellent example of how we should conduct ourselves. We need critical thinking and realism to keep us on the right track, and the courage to follow through, even if it means going against the crowd and risking alienation or even death. If more people thought along these lines, perhaps the worst atrocities may not have happened. Individuals may dream such wickedness, but it takes the compliance of a group for them to come true.
Which one has more validity Choosing A - Society needs thoughtful moral citizens or B - Those willing and with the courage to change it?? ................... Your way of thinking is amiss something. Yes critical thinking is a MUST, but second I will add BE LIKE WATER.
@@danballe what good is seeing the underlying reality without the courage to do anything about it? At some point things need to change and when that time comes people need the fortitude to push for it. So I'd say the answer is B but I might be biased in these times.
@@howardlanus8610 Guy that commented that back when he was 14 he agreed with Kenshin, now he is 22 he agrees with Hiko. Maturity I would say find a balance between them. Sure changing the world are at least attempting to leave it a less sucky world than it was before you give it your best is fine. Try not to have the world "change" you into something you do NOT want or like is also important. Kenshin: "Okubo kyo you look more tired and old from the last time we meet!!. Okubo: "It means that creating a different world is harder than destroying an old one..."
Funny, I just watched this for the first time in over a decade and had almost that exact thought. I'm quite sure I would have enlisted if not for this speech.
@XxFierxX The sad thing is he really didn't do much good. I mean sure he became a legend but the price on both his mind and soul was too great. Tomoe actually said to him later: "You say you kill people to make others happy....but I don't see it bringing you much happiness."
He wasn’t regarded as a hero, he was regarded as a “manslayer” a monster, and was not compensated for all the things he has done to them (he was merely just a lapdog) and still broke tho, he didn’t even benefit financially.
Does anyone know where this quote came from? “I knew nothing about hate When did I learn it..? When did I give up my innocence..? When did I lose my faith in others? When did I lose myself ? What did I forget about humanity ? What did I willingly throw away? ...I can never go back. ...I'm lost.. Lost “
I want to abridge this now. "What? You're going to work for the government? I live the middle of the mountains to stay away from the government!" "But Master.." "Get the hell off my lawn."
I'd still give it to Hiko. He has much more strength than a giant and much more speed than even Kenshin. When it comes to strictly sword combat, there's not many opponents that are equal to his raw power and intellect.
@truthseeker1385 No you're not!! I wanna see what his journey was like as well!!! It would probably tragic as all hell; even worse then Kenshin's!! 😬😬😬 I still wanna see it though! 🤣🤣🤣 Also, "Hiko the Invincible" I like that! That should most definitely be the name of it! #BlueFlameEmoji
And a nefarious government at that, for it was the Meiji government which invented modern death camps and torture camps that would later be used in Nazi Germany during the Holocaust... So I guess all Kenshin did was bring more blood, more suffering, more pain, just as Hiko predicted... which shows just how naive Kenshin truly was...
The fight of Morals. That’s all Shishio Vs Kenshin was. Not some convoluted psychological reason, not some philosophical reason beyond moral right and wrong, and not some sad past. Shishio merely did what he did because he knew that peace leads to weakness. He had to keep the only way of life he knew, anything else would be weak. Japan would only be strong if they endured hell like his era was. (It truly was) and looking at history, he may of been right. Kenshin on the other hand saw it for what it was. Hell. The people of Japan had enough war, they deserved peace. And if that meant breaking his vow not to kill, he’d do it, because peace is something everyone deserves. Two moral views, both not wrong or right. Kenshin always had great stories because it focused on the individual instead of the good of all.
Seijuro is wise in the ways of the Buddha. He knows that the troubles of the outside world are perpetual and cyclical. I have fed my people to the wolves...
I fight for my country because that is what i believe. Perhaps its my own blind stupidity that debases the insatiable desire within all of us to go beyond the established realities and seek what we want to call truth. But the truth varies per person. If a man dies doing what he believes in, then so be it, but call him a bind uneducated murderer, while you safely watch from the sideless, living a life of narcissistic pessimism, you become as cold as a master manipulating his pawns.
So i guess Kenshin remained a government pawn all his life, fighting against men like Makoto Shishio whom wanted to bring down the meji government. After all, that is what Hiko is saying (if you don't bother to discern his words) right?
Kenshin was battling with the logic, that using a reverse blade sword was the right way to approach his swordsmanship. The reality of war broke him just like his master expected, he didn't believe in what he was doing even doh he felt it was better than what he was doing during the war. Kenshin told shishio that winning does not mean that u are right, shishio called kenshin out on his cap and he was right for this. Kenshin didnt even believe it him self. In hell shishio prove saito was right about killing evil asap, because even after death and defeat shishio was stil the same. This also proved that he was a hyprocrit because he lost and still felt he had the right to dictate things, this means in the end he was weak and should have accepted it. In the end shishio didnt even believe in his own law. Therefore is easy for humans to talk about morals, its only a tool used to control others. Whether good or bad most humans just do what they feel, morals and values are just complex air used to rationalize ones actions. This why most animes cant compare to the masterpiece that is the kyoto arc.
His master was trying to protect him from the harsh reality much like a parent would. If you read the manga, Kenshins family died and he was sold into slavery. During the travel the convoy was attacked and all of them died except him. 3 brave women protected him and at the last minute as Kenshin was about to be slain Hiko showed up and saved him. Hiko left him and came back to bury the bodies to find Kenshin had already done it. He buried not just the innocents but the attackers too saying “in the end they were all human beings.” Thats when Hiko took kenshin as his apprentice. So Kenshin had already witnessed the evils of war. Hiko was trying to give him an opportunity to avoid further conflict. During the war Kenshin accidentally Killed his wife and that changed him the most. Thats when he rejoined the fight against the Meji. After that he took the vow to never kill again. His master was right though. Kenshin thought it would bring an era of peace but as you saw in the series it was not quite so.
@key11207 great point. No matter what political reasons are given for war, the underlying reason is always economic. ~A. J. P. Taylor War means blind obedience, unthinking stupidity, brutish callousness, wanton destruction, and irresponsible murder. ~Alexander Berkman The dangerous patriot...is a defender of militarism and its ideals of war and glory. ~Colonel James A. Donovan, Marine Corps
Kenshin didn't achieve the power he should have.Hiko would have trained him to the point where Hiten Mitsurugi style power would not hurt his body.Leaving so fast denied the opportunity to reach Hiko's level.
@@evgeniyushkov7103 That might actually be a blessing in disguise. Kenshin may have sabotaged himself as a kid, but he *did* get great power only to be used for a moment's notice.
Also, I would love it if Seijuro finds Hiko and decides to become his successor instead. With his speed, he could take the sword art farther than Kenshin could.
The reason why hiko told Kenshin to complete his training is because for kenshin can become master mitsurugi he would have had to kill his master and therefore accept the duality of life. The nessesity of death to weild saving power wouldve melded with his understanding of life and he wouldnt have been a unstable manslayer he would have the peace and wisdom and acceptance death of master mitsurugi! Hence why hiko said your mind will match the strength of your sword When Kenshin left his sword was strong but he mind couldn't match that strength until he learned the principle of loss and sacrifice behind Amakakeru Ryu no Hirumeki
The "lesser of two evil faction" as said by Hiko Seijuro was actually similar to the situation in Syria right now, on one side Assad the, the iron fist dictator on the other side, Jihadist
@rurounisld yeah that is true i have seen many of my friends already join the army because of paying for college or a job and yes i completely agree with you on the saving the world dream it was something i really wanted to do you know help the world and stuff but i didnt know how at all so i dont blame kenshin for doing all that cause i understand how he feels
"The message is absolutely about ENLIGHTENMENT OR PERFECT ILLUMINATION OF A MAN." By that you can enter the kingdom of heaven. Seeking the SELF that lies within."
I'm not a native speaker, but I've got it almost everything correctly, I guess. Hiko: How do you plan to defend those people with your limited knowlodge? Will you choose the less loathsome of the two evil factions in that filthy conflict and do it its bidding? I do not bestow master Hiten Mitsurugi (????) principles on you so you can become the pawn of the fairest man. You can change nothing. The troubles of the outsider world are perpetual. Kenshin: And by virtue of that I am supposed to turn my back and live in self-ordered ignorance? I can't ignore them. And neither us, Master. Hiko: When your training is complete you will be the strongest of swordman and your mind will be as strong as your sword. Kenshin: The peasants who are dying in the grip of the Bakufu alliance cannot wait that long, Master. Your words are nothing to them! Hiko: Go down there, brand yourself a murderer! Murdering is the only art a swordman can practice. No ornamental words can change that. You want to protect people with murder!? You'll slaughter legions so that a few may live. Many years, long before you were born, my sword was tearing (????) of the lives of men. Yes, all of those men were evil. But they were human beings first and foremost, Kenshin. The world you orderly desire to enter will not know what to do with you. It will decieve you into believing that you are saving lives even as you destroy them. You will accept its lies, all the while your hands will be stained with the worst of offences. Kenshin: Perhaps. Even so, my hands will bring relieve to people who've learned to live without hope. A human being who feeds on his brother is not a man anymore. He is a mad dog. And should be dealt the same fate. Master, listen! Hiko: It is foolish to listen to someone who will not listen to you. Do as you wish. Go to them. Kenshin: Thank you, Master. Hiko: I have fed my people to the wolves. His mind will soon be divided into warring clans and his pure heart will soon know suffering far beyond his worst nightmares.
I still think Kenshin has a fair point. Saying the conflict is perpetual is not a good excuse to do nothing. I like kenshin more than the battousai he still helps people while keeping his sword free from blood. Also even Hiko is not in agreement with himself or at least was not for a long time that is why he killed so many men. Kenshin being alive is the direct product of him slaying evil men, he is arguieng against the direct proof of his own work standing before him. He also ends with Kenshin being so pure he has to do this, not trying to stop him any longer. If Kenshin was truly in the wrong Hiko would have stopped him. He just wanted to make sure Kenshin would be fully aware of what he would get himself into. Eventually I think Kenshin is superior to the Battousai maintaining his integrity while risking his life for others. Also some people say Tomoe changed him into Kenshin that is not true even after her death he remained the battousai until his end goal was reached.
He did say that, after his training is done, he'd become the strongest samurai, which would allow him to fight without pledging allegience to either side. So hiko isn't actually a pacifist.
@@MazdaRX7007 no of course he is not, he killed hundreds of people, he is a mass murderer just like Kenshin. I see this entire conversation as a test to see if Kenshin understood the gravity of the situation.
So the question is really, what is the purpose of life, and the boundaries of such? If everything was left to nonconforming individualist criticism, nothing would get done. Hiko's words are wise, but they only make sense if one actually puts them into context. It's an individual question, not humanity as a whole.
@rurounisld i like those quotes too and i do agree with them not that i have anything against the soldiers just that they don't realize what exactly they are doing that they are just becoming pawns in a play that cost's them their lives
Nevertheless, the overthrowing of the Shogunate government was perfectly inevitable. No human institutions are immune to gradual degradation, the Meji did successfully lead Japan into the new pre-modern era, but yes you're right; unfortunately they were extremely nationalistic, and such sentiment was patronized by the Meji government and led to the complete and utter subjugation of other peoples through the implementation of death camps and torture camps. However, I cant help but be skeptical.
after World war I, since power was now being consolidated into partial military officers who continued to use the Emperor as a figurehead for the current political state of affairs. It was during that period of military oligarchy that the Japanese launched radically out of control orgies in kill raping and maiming civilian populations of foreign conquered territories during World War II. So, when exactly did the Meji government employ internment camps?
@key11207 yes good point the same thought was in my head but same i didnt know how.. i mean i had my school and some video games that consumed all my day. i can see now school could be a way that some1 could keep u busy with problems thats shouldnt even exist and in the end i ended up buy forgeting half of what ive learned. there should be a change in schools...
This and fate stay unlimited blade works. archer vs emiya. Both philosophical and have truth to it. Emiya wanted to save people and future him archer saying it is pointless. You will just become a murder because you can't save everbody archer says
@key11207 well as an American u know better that me what war in Vietnam did to ur soldiers. Many songs like Metallica- one, alice in chains - rooster talk about ppl that lost their legs and their sight in the war and even ppl that got mad... in the modern world unfortunately ppl that cant find a job will end up as mercenaries.. anyway Kenshin wanted to save the world as any teens dream but he got used. i remember he sufered with all those thoughts in his head.
Man, Seijuro's actor is pretty great; but who the hell did they get to voice Kenshin? Sounds like some college freshman they roped in who wanted to earn a few extra bucks on the side.
This is not accurate. He said a sword is a weapon to kill people and you have the most powerful skill. Youll change history and be used by others. And he understood. There is no right or wrong here.
You said the Meji government utilized death camps and torture camps which would later be used by Nazi Germany. That statement would be a moot point, because the concept of resettling undesirables and quarantining them into a confined private area has been used since the pogroms in Russia. Also, if my knowledge is correct, the Japanese did not establish internment camps such as those you speak of, at least during the regin of the Meji government. Techinically, the Meji government ceased to exist
in all honesty, it's annoying how some people take Hiko's words seriously. Kenshin destroyed a regime what was no longer functional. the words of Hiko are simply meant to humanize the hatred of the percieved enemy. Nothing more. By enacting vengance on a killer, you must be aware that you will be unleashing your retribution by also taking a life, thus also making you killer. Kenshin was used, yes, but at least people were able to live better lives in a democratic Japan than a shogun dynasty.
Hiko's teaching is useful to avoid personal guilt and PTSD in soldier. Hiko teach kensin to be agent of his own, not for other people. Thus taking the responsibility for his actions. "but at least people were able to live better lives in a democratic Japan than a shogun dynasty" Even in democratic society, people use voting, which is the sound of majority. Things like this is what caused lack of personal responsibility, because it is the sound of the crowd & not the sound of your conscience. Nice try, SS
I hate this dub, but I gotta give due credit to Seijuro Hiko's English VA for channeling Lawrence Fishburne as Morpheus. Seriously, was I the only one who thought that while listening to the dub? It's weirdly appropriate. Another thing I got to give credit to is that the dub actually makes Kenshin sound male. Other than that, stick to the subs.
listening to Hiko lecturing Kenshin made me realize that Hiko Seijuro is actually a liberal (though not a bleeding heart liberal seeing he KILLED lots of people) in today standard lol
![[Reenactment]Rurouni Kenshin(SamuraiX) Hiten Mitsurugi-Ryu Reproduce the technique](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/y5UmuZ9bafo/mqdefault.jpg)
Amazing writing. I understand Kenshin's need to protect but Hiko's point of stepping back and looking at the bigger picture is astounding. I remember seeing this when I was 14, and I sided with Kenshin's point of view. Now i'm 22 and I understand Hiko...
Now you are 32, Maturity?
@@lebrent312 Now I'm 33. I am pro Hiko Seijuro all the way now. Definately maturity. lol
@@ThievNWalrus interesting! Lol, I completely understand the growth an maturity. They should make a pre-quel show of Hiko.
@@ThievNWalrus I wonder what is your take now with all the wisdom you have gained between 14, then 22, and now 33. I like your growth and development. Cheers buddy! 🍻
@@lebrent312 Definately! I completely understand what he's saying in that their talent/power of Hiten Mitsurugi should not belong to a political faction. Since they won't know what to do with you, they will instead use you. And if you try to talk sense into someone who will make a mistake, will they listen? Are they ready to hear what you have to say?
You can see this in everyday life with your relations with people.
I've seen good people get taken advantage of by lessers due to their good nature and what they can offer them. If you don't have the personal awareness to see it, you can get real burned by others. This will end innocence real fast.
Should you get involved their disputes just because you care about them? Is it the right choice? And if you involve yourself, are they ready to hear what you have to say and will the outcome be the same as it was if you didn't involve yourself?
"Death no longer terrifies man. The smell of blood is as common as the smell of white plums, so he creates slavery and savagery which surpass the horror of dying. These can only be fought with more bloodshed...and the cycle never ends..." - Hiko Seijuro
He ultimately came to understand that fixing the world is impossible, but protecting his dearest helps form a world that is even just a tiny bit more beautiful. Gorgeous story.
This is the most deepest conversation in the whole series.
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Kenshin isn't fighting Shishio because Shishio wants to bring the government down. He fights Shishio because HE (Kenshin) is the reason there even IS Shishio. Shishio filled in his shoes when he walked away from the revolution and became their new assassin. Now, Shishio wants to bring about a new government where the weaker man will be oppressed. Shishio is Kenshin's responsibility, that's why he fights him.
Well done.
Damn this is very precise. Even strengthening what Hiko tried to point out about someone else's justice. After he left, these forces look for another him. That's what it is, someone else again is murdering for the sake of others
Not sure, if Kenshin never got involved with the revolution then Shishio would have taken on the manslayer role much earlier?
This has to be one of the most deep and profound truths for any man or woman can hear, before listing yourself in any army of the world just listen to this, exchange the sword for a rifle and there you have it...
caesar roa I realized this is so deep many just cant comprehend
Many in militaries are fools. They take pride in their service, and the possibility of killing bad guys because they are drowned in their own sense of righteousness. They are the "good guys" so nothing they did was wrong. It's sickening to watch people dehumanize others like it was some videogame.
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I think that Hiko's words are an excellent example of how we should conduct ourselves. We need critical thinking and realism to keep us on the right track, and the courage to follow through, even if it means going against the crowd and risking alienation or even death. If more people thought along these lines, perhaps the worst atrocities may not have happened. Individuals may dream such wickedness, but it takes the compliance of a group for them to come true.
I appreciate your truthful and perceptive statement.
Which one has more validity
Choosing
A - Society needs thoughtful moral citizens
or
B - Those willing and with the courage to change it??
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Your way of thinking is amiss something. Yes critical thinking is a MUST, but second I will add BE LIKE WATER.
@@danballe what good is seeing the underlying reality without the courage to do anything about it?
At some point things need to change and when that time comes people need the fortitude to push for it.
So I'd say the answer is B but I might be biased in these times.
@@howardlanus8610 Guy that commented that back when he was 14 he agreed with Kenshin, now he is 22 he agrees with Hiko. Maturity
I would say find a balance between them.
Sure changing the world are at least attempting to leave it a less sucky world than it was before you give it your best is fine. Try not to have the world "change" you into something you do NOT want or like is also important.
Kenshin: "Okubo kyo you look more tired and old from the last time we meet!!.
Okubo: "It means that creating a different world is harder than destroying an old one..."
I just realized Kenshin repeated Hiko's words in episode one when he saves Kaoru.
Yes all of those men were evil, but they were human beings first and foremost.
the most wise speech i have ever heard in anime
for anybody thinking of joining the army for anyone going off to war listen to hiko seijuro's words first and ponder about it
Funny, I just watched this for the first time in over a decade and had almost that exact thought. I'm quite sure I would have enlisted if not for this speech.
To me, this is the best anime of all time.
Though many kids today may disagree and some don't even know this name.
Definitely one of the best
I agree
For a kid Kenshin is smart as hell with a great vocabulary
@XxFierxX
The sad thing is he really didn't do much good. I mean sure he became a legend but the price on both his mind and soul was too great. Tomoe actually said to him later:
"You say you kill people to make others happy....but I don't see it bringing you much happiness."
He wasn’t regarded as a hero, he was regarded as a “manslayer” a monster, and was not compensated for all the things he has done to them (he was merely just a lapdog) and still broke tho, he didn’t even benefit financially.
This is Hiko's shining moment in the movies.
This series is so amazing it makes me want to cry..
Does anyone know where this quote came from? “I knew nothing about hate
When did I learn it..?
When did I give up my innocence..?
When did I lose my faith in others?
When did I lose myself ?
What did I forget about humanity ?
What did I willingly throw away?
...I can never go back.
...I'm lost.. Lost “
Shogo amakusa
I want to abridge this now.
"What? You're going to work for the government? I live the middle of the mountains to stay away from the government!"
"But Master.."
"Get the hell off my lawn."
I'd still give it to Hiko. He has much more strength than a giant and much more speed than even Kenshin. When it comes to strictly sword combat, there's not many opponents that are equal to his raw power and intellect.
As a fighter def. In the series there's no one stronger
I want to see series on "Life of Hiko the invisible"
Showing how invisible he was and yet he chose Isolation.
And I know, I am not the only one.
@truthseeker1385 No you're not!! I wanna see what his journey was like as well!!! It would probably tragic as all hell; even worse then Kenshin's!! 😬😬😬 I still wanna see it though! 🤣🤣🤣 Also, "Hiko the Invincible" I like that! That should most definitely be the name of it! #BlueFlameEmoji
And a nefarious government at that, for it was the Meiji government which invented modern death camps and torture camps that would later be used in Nazi Germany during the Holocaust... So I guess all Kenshin did was bring more blood, more suffering, more pain, just as Hiko predicted... which shows just how naive Kenshin truly was...
The fight of Morals. That’s all Shishio Vs Kenshin was. Not some convoluted psychological reason, not some philosophical reason beyond moral right and wrong, and not some sad past. Shishio merely did what he did because he knew that peace leads to weakness. He had to keep the only way of life he knew, anything else would be weak. Japan would only be strong if they endured hell like his era was. (It truly was) and looking at history, he may of been right.
Kenshin on the other hand saw it for what it was. Hell. The people of Japan had enough war, they deserved peace. And if that meant breaking his vow not to kill, he’d do it, because peace is something everyone deserves.
Two moral views, both not wrong or right. Kenshin always had great stories because it focused on the individual instead of the good of all.
I just realized that Kenshin is Samurai who ended Samurai era
This post is long forgotten but truth stands times test.
- another who dares to stand in time and try it’s trials.
Seijuro is wise in the ways of the Buddha.
He knows that the troubles of the outside world are perpetual and cyclical.
I have fed my people to the wolves...
those are such profound words
Hiko ain't wrong.
I fight for my country because that is what i believe. Perhaps its my own blind stupidity that debases the insatiable desire within all of us to go beyond the established realities and seek what we want to call truth. But the truth varies per person. If a man dies doing what he believes in, then so be it, but call him a bind uneducated murderer, while you safely watch from the sideless, living a life of narcissistic pessimism, you become as cold as a master manipulating his pawns.
Ain't me touching me and tearing my body apart, I'm getting tired of being in pain constantly, it's been years.
I have no allegiance to anyone anymore.
If every war could reckon about this.
Hiko is never unarmed. Hiko wins automatically.
So i guess Kenshin remained a government pawn all his life, fighting against men like Makoto Shishio whom wanted to bring down the meji government. After all, that is what Hiko is saying (if you don't bother to discern his words) right?
Kenshin was battling with the logic, that using a reverse blade sword was the right way to approach his swordsmanship. The reality of war broke him just like his master expected, he didn't believe in what he was doing even doh he felt it was better than what he was doing during the war. Kenshin told shishio that winning does not mean that u are right, shishio called kenshin out on his cap and he was right for this. Kenshin didnt even believe it him self. In hell shishio prove saito was right about killing evil asap, because even after death and defeat shishio was stil the same. This also proved that he was a hyprocrit because he lost and still felt he had the right to dictate things, this means in the end he was weak and should have accepted it. In the end shishio didnt even believe in his own law. Therefore is easy for humans to talk about morals, its only a tool used to control others. Whether good or bad most humans just do what they feel, morals and values are just complex air used to rationalize ones actions. This why most animes cant compare to the masterpiece that is the kyoto arc.
His master was trying to protect him from the harsh reality much like a parent would. If you read the manga, Kenshins family died and he was sold into slavery. During the travel the convoy was attacked and all of them died except him. 3 brave women protected him and at the last minute as Kenshin was about to be slain Hiko showed up and saved him. Hiko left him and came back to bury the bodies to find Kenshin had already done it. He buried not just the innocents but the attackers too saying “in the end they were all human beings.” Thats when Hiko took kenshin as his apprentice. So Kenshin had already witnessed the evils of war. Hiko was trying to give him an opportunity to avoid further conflict. During the war Kenshin accidentally Killed his wife and that changed him the most. Thats when he rejoined the fight against the Meji. After that he took the vow to never kill again. His master was right though. Kenshin thought it would bring an era of peace but as you saw in the series it was not quite so.
Hmm the master of hiten misturugiryu is truely a wise man as a fellow teacher i cannot help bt feel a bit of a pang in the truth of his words
@key11207 great point.
No matter what political reasons are given for war, the underlying reason is always economic.
~A. J. P. Taylor
War means blind obedience, unthinking stupidity, brutish callousness, wanton destruction, and irresponsible murder.
~Alexander Berkman
The dangerous patriot...is a defender of militarism and its ideals of war and glory.
~Colonel James A. Donovan, Marine Corps
It's funny when Kenshin said that the training would take too long but it legit took like 2-3 days 😂😂
Kenshin didn't achieve the power he should have.Hiko would have trained him to the point where Hiten Mitsurugi style power would not hurt his body.Leaving so fast denied the opportunity to reach Hiko's level.
@@evgeniyushkov7103 That might actually be a blessing in disguise. Kenshin may have sabotaged himself as a kid, but he *did* get great power only to be used for a moment's notice.
Also, I would love it if Seijuro finds Hiko and decides to become his successor instead. With his speed, he could take the sword art farther than Kenshin could.
The reason why hiko told Kenshin to complete his training is because for kenshin can become master mitsurugi he would have had to kill his master and therefore accept the duality of life. The nessesity of death to weild saving power wouldve melded with his understanding of life and he wouldnt have been a unstable manslayer he would have the peace and wisdom and acceptance death of master mitsurugi! Hence why hiko said your mind will match the strength of your sword
When Kenshin left his sword was strong but he mind couldn't match that strength until he learned the principle of loss and sacrifice behind Amakakeru Ryu no Hirumeki
The "lesser of two evil faction" as said by Hiko Seijuro was actually similar to the situation in Syria right now, on one side Assad the, the iron fist dictator on the other side, Jihadist
@rurounisld yeah that is true i have seen many of my friends already join the army because of paying for college or a job and yes i completely agree with you on the saving the world dream it was something i really wanted to do you know help the world and stuff but i didnt know how at all so i dont blame kenshin for doing all that cause i understand how he feels
"The message is absolutely about ENLIGHTENMENT OR PERFECT ILLUMINATION OF A MAN." By that you can enter the kingdom of heaven. Seeking the SELF that lies within."
really these r words of wisdom for me
You are correct.
Hiko.The Master...wow
The people that rush to join the army to "fight for the country" could benefit from hearing this conversations.
i like it
can anyone transcribe all of these to me completely?
I'm not a native speaker, but I've got it almost everything correctly, I guess.
Hiko: How do you plan to defend those people with your limited knowlodge? Will you choose the less loathsome of the two evil factions in that filthy conflict and do it its bidding? I do not bestow master Hiten Mitsurugi (????) principles on you so you can become the pawn of the fairest man. You can change nothing. The troubles of the outsider world are perpetual.
Kenshin: And by virtue of that I am supposed to turn my back and live in self-ordered ignorance? I can't ignore them. And neither us, Master.
Hiko: When your training is complete you will be the strongest of swordman and your mind will be as strong as your sword.
Kenshin: The peasants who are dying in the grip of the Bakufu alliance cannot wait that long, Master. Your words are nothing to them!
Hiko: Go down there, brand yourself a murderer! Murdering is the only art a swordman can practice. No ornamental words can change that. You want to protect people with murder!? You'll slaughter legions so that a few may live. Many years, long before you were born, my sword was tearing (????) of the lives of men. Yes, all of those men were evil. But they were human beings first and foremost, Kenshin. The world you orderly desire to enter will not know what to do with you. It will decieve you into believing that you are saving lives even as you destroy them. You will accept its lies, all the while your hands will be stained with the worst of offences.
Kenshin: Perhaps. Even so, my hands will bring relieve to people who've learned to live without hope. A human being who feeds on his brother is not a man anymore. He is a mad dog. And should be dealt the same fate. Master, listen!
Hiko: It is foolish to listen to someone who will not listen to you. Do as you wish. Go to them.
Kenshin: Thank you, Master.
Hiko: I have fed my people to the wolves. His mind will soon be divided into warring clans and his pure heart will soon know suffering far beyond his worst nightmares.
I still think Kenshin has a fair point. Saying the conflict is perpetual is not a good excuse to do nothing. I like kenshin more than the battousai he still helps people while keeping his sword free from blood. Also even Hiko is not in agreement with himself or at least was not for a long time that is why he killed so many men. Kenshin being alive is the direct product of him slaying evil men, he is arguieng against the direct proof of his own work standing before him. He also ends with Kenshin being so pure he has to do this, not trying to stop him any longer. If Kenshin was truly in the wrong Hiko would have stopped him. He just wanted to make sure Kenshin would be fully aware of what he would get himself into. Eventually I think Kenshin is superior to the Battousai maintaining his integrity while risking his life for others. Also some people say Tomoe changed him into Kenshin that is not true even after her death he remained the battousai until his end goal was reached.
He did say that, after his training is done, he'd become the strongest samurai, which would allow him to fight without pledging allegience to either side. So hiko isn't actually a pacifist.
@@MazdaRX7007 no of course he is not, he killed hundreds of people, he is a mass murderer just like Kenshin. I see this entire conversation as a test to see if Kenshin understood the gravity of the situation.
So the question is really, what is the purpose of life, and the boundaries of such? If everything was left to nonconforming individualist criticism, nothing would get done. Hiko's words are wise, but they only make sense if one actually puts them into context. It's an individual question, not humanity as a whole.
And because of guys like u,we have wars.This cycle is never going to end until things keep being the same
@rinwhr
Yeah it's cause after the revolution and 10 years of wandering Kenshin realized that what his master said was true.
Fed my pupil to the Wolves.. of Mibu!
Mind is to strong obviously, practice tonight.
Hiko is chuck norris' shadow
@rurounisld i like those quotes too and i do agree with them not that i have anything against the soldiers just that they don't realize what exactly they are doing that they are just becoming pawns in a play that cost's them their lives
Nevertheless, the overthrowing of the Shogunate government was perfectly inevitable. No human institutions are immune to gradual degradation, the Meji did successfully lead Japan into the new pre-modern era, but yes you're right; unfortunately they were extremely nationalistic, and such sentiment was patronized by the Meji government and led to the complete and utter subjugation of other peoples through the implementation of death camps and torture camps. However, I cant help but be skeptical.
Thank everyone ☠️
after World war I, since power was now being consolidated into partial military officers who continued to use the Emperor as a figurehead for the current political state of affairs. It was during that period of military oligarchy that the Japanese launched radically out of control orgies in kill raping and maiming civilian populations of foreign conquered territories during World War II. So, when exactly did the Meji government employ internment camps?
@key11207 yes good point the same thought was in my head but same i didnt know how.. i mean i had my school and some video games that consumed all my day.
i can see now school could be a way that some1 could keep u busy with problems thats shouldnt even exist and in the end i ended up buy forgeting half of what ive learned. there should be a change in schools...
This and fate stay unlimited blade works. archer vs emiya. Both philosophical and have truth to it. Emiya wanted to save people and future him archer saying it is pointless. You will just become a murder because you can't save everbody archer says
It's to late now.
@key11207 well as an American u know better that me what war in Vietnam did to ur soldiers.
Many songs like Metallica- one, alice in chains - rooster talk about ppl that lost their legs and their sight in the war and even ppl that got mad...
in the modern world unfortunately ppl that cant find a job will end up as mercenaries..
anyway Kenshin wanted to save the world as any teens dream but he got used. i remember he sufered with all those thoughts in his head.
Actually he said "brand yourself a murderer"
I am no pawn.
Man, Seijuro's actor is pretty great; but who the hell did they get to voice Kenshin? Sounds like some college freshman they roped in who wanted to earn a few extra bucks on the side.
This is not accurate. He said a sword is a weapon to kill people and you have the most powerful skill. Youll change history and be used by others. And he understood. There is no right or wrong here.
You said the Meji government utilized death camps and torture camps which would later be used by Nazi Germany. That statement would be a moot point, because the concept of resettling undesirables and quarantining them into a confined private area has been used since the pogroms in Russia. Also, if my knowledge is correct, the Japanese did not establish internment camps such as those you speak of, at least during the regin of the Meji government. Techinically, the Meji government ceased to exist
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What's the movie's name?
Samurai x trust and betrayal.
Exactly why i wont sign up for the armed services
@XxFierxX but if he has listened to him the manga becomed very boring ^^
2nd best Anime after bleach. Naruto, One piece, Demon slayer, Chainsaw man & AOT can not relate
I am.know.pawn
It's not a big deal me.talkiknf to my son, stick with me kid
So did Kenshin do any good by becoming a hitokiri and killing hundreds of people? he should had listened to his master.
in all honesty, it's annoying how some people take Hiko's words seriously. Kenshin destroyed a regime what was no longer functional. the words of Hiko are simply meant to humanize the hatred of the percieved enemy. Nothing more. By enacting vengance on a killer, you must be aware that you will be unleashing your retribution by also taking a life, thus also making you killer. Kenshin was used, yes, but at least people were able to live better lives in a democratic Japan than a shogun dynasty.
Hiko's teaching is useful to avoid personal guilt and PTSD in soldier. Hiko teach kensin to be agent of his own, not for other people. Thus taking the responsibility for his actions.
"but at least people were able to live better lives in a democratic Japan than a shogun dynasty" Even in democratic society, people use voting, which is the sound of majority. Things like this is what caused lack of personal responsibility, because it is the sound of the crowd & not the sound of your conscience.
Nice try, SS
I hate this dub, but I gotta give due credit to Seijuro Hiko's English VA for channeling Lawrence Fishburne as Morpheus. Seriously, was I the only one who thought that while listening to the dub? It's weirdly appropriate. Another thing I got to give credit to is that the dub actually makes Kenshin sound male. Other than that, stick to the subs.
listening to Hiko lecturing Kenshin made me realize that Hiko Seijuro is actually a liberal (though not a bleeding heart liberal seeing he KILLED lots of people) in today standard lol
God, this horrid English dub kills the entire mood of this scene.
it's actually decent
The script of the dub more than makes up for it
i like it