Okay this is what I believe happened & is a break down of 16:10 aka Lei's '14th hit'. 1) Ota attacks 2) Lei Parries and Ota retreats 3) Lei attacks 4) Ota attacks into Lei's attack hence Ota's counter-attack 5) Lei Pulls arm backwards during Ota's counter-attack 6) Right of way switched from Lei to Ota because of this and Ota lands hit 7) Lei extends his arm again and lands hit as his counter attack Confusion emerges from rules of what defines an attack and the ambiguity of to what degree an attack is still an attack. If you pull your arm back when going forward and attacking is it still your attack? What about having the point outwards away from threatening target area? I see it as a question of tempo and the context of the situation. Every fencing instance is different. If a person pulls their arm back during their attack and the opponent attacks into it then it should be the opponents. If the person slightly pulls their arm back but straightens it before the opponent gets to counter-attack then it should still be theirs. Also it should still be your attack if your point is away from target but your draw it into target as you attack and its a continuous 1 tempo action. Sometimes yes there are grey spots where both fences seemed to have gained the right of way or lost it simultaneously. These hits should be abstained.
In my opinion i think this is really a matter of interpretation. I kind of see it both ways now; is Lei "searching" to bind Ota's blade and then finish? or is he just starting a march. If you see, Lei does not particularly pronate his blade, and his "pull back" is only just to disengage around Ota's elbow as he pulls back, so in that sense it is a parry-compound riposte.
16:41 Lei isn't do a parry. Ota not attacking yet, it's a beat of blade. If beat of blade : nobody attacked, nobody have priority... Then first attack come from FotL If parry (a parry with the arm extend and almost the point in line on the 1/3 stong of the opponent blade...*coughing*) : the FotR don't ripost immidatly : lost is right of ripost... Then first attack come from FotL => But as we've seen Ota take is as if it was a parry (by do a retreat), that can disrupt, but whatever, we are referee, we don't care about what fencers believe in and just try apply FIE rules. No use to talk about disengage of pulls his arm back... No use to talk about beat of blade or parry... In fact, only take the last 2 fencing time, what do you see ? Only preparations, then the attack from left. Good refereeing despite this call
Fantastic video!
Okay this is what I believe happened & is a break down of 16:10 aka Lei's '14th hit'.
1) Ota attacks
2) Lei Parries and Ota retreats
3) Lei attacks
4) Ota attacks into Lei's attack hence Ota's counter-attack
5) Lei Pulls arm backwards during Ota's counter-attack
6) Right of way switched from Lei to Ota because of this and Ota lands hit
7) Lei extends his arm again and lands hit as his counter attack
Confusion emerges from rules of what defines an attack and the ambiguity of to what degree an attack is still an attack. If you pull your arm back when going forward and attacking is it still your attack? What about having the point outwards away from threatening target area?
I see it as a question of tempo and the context of the situation. Every fencing instance is different. If a person pulls their arm back during their attack and the opponent attacks into it then it should be the opponents. If the person slightly pulls their arm back but straightens it before the opponent gets to counter-attack then it should still be theirs. Also it should still be your attack if your point is away from target but your draw it into target as you attack and its a continuous 1 tempo action. Sometimes yes there are grey spots where both fences seemed to have gained the right of way or lost it simultaneously. These hits should be abstained.
In my opinion i think this is really a matter of interpretation. I kind of see it both ways now; is Lei "searching" to bind Ota's blade and then finish? or is he just starting a march.
If you see, Lei does not particularly pronate his blade, and his "pull back" is only just to disengage around Ota's elbow as he pulls back, so in that sense it is a parry-compound riposte.
Leis touch could be seen as either a party or disengage I believe so it ultimately depends on the referee
Do you know where I can find the video of Gerek vs Joppich in the top 4? I think I saw it in the past, but can't find that bout anywhere now.
I believe that lei parried an then pulled his arm back so he defiantly lost priority.
On 16:10 ? it isnt a parry.
Lmao the thumbnail kinda gives the result away
16:41 Lei isn't do a parry. Ota not attacking yet, it's a beat of blade.
If beat of blade : nobody attacked, nobody have priority... Then first attack come from FotL
If parry (a parry with the arm extend and almost the point in line on the 1/3 stong of the opponent blade...*coughing*) : the FotR don't ripost immidatly : lost is right of ripost... Then first attack come from FotL
=> But as we've seen Ota take is as if it was a parry (by do a retreat), that can disrupt, but whatever, we are referee, we don't care about what fencers believe in and just try apply FIE rules.
No use to talk about disengage of pulls his arm back... No use to talk about beat of blade or parry...
In fact, only take the last 2 fencing time, what do you see ? Only preparations, then the attack from left.
Good refereeing
despite this call
14:50 that's definitely not point in line. Lei just attacked Ota while Ota already started his attack
grudge match ahah but yeah Ota should have won
bad ref ota should win
although lei is also very awesome
Better refereeing than actual.