Cycling in Carmel, Indiana from a Dutch perspective

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  • @AmericanFietser
    @AmericanFietser 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +677

    I am so happy that we were able to host you in Carmel and have you not only visit as a friend, but as an expert in assessing human-scale infrastructure design centered around active transportation. It's hard to believe that this exists, especially in the middle of Indiana, but I think we're doing very exciting things here in Carmel and this is why my wife and I relocated here over 3 years ago, simply to take advantage of the infrastructure and live a car-lite lifestyle, which is hard to do in the US. This video provides a nice glimpse into what we have to offer and I'm sure that in the coming years, things will only continue to get better as our leadership keeps up the initiative of progressive city design that, as you stated, does not need to be a partisan issue.

    • @coleciervo5454
      @coleciervo5454 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The only thing next is to get the state government out of the way of transit infrastructure... Imagine the untold benefits if there were a rail line connecting Carmel to downtown Indy. It is an absolute disgrace that Indiana used to have such a robust rail network and now the government has banned light rail and nearly banned BRT

    • @forceninewinds
      @forceninewinds 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      I love the phrase 'car-lite lifestyle' (I'm stealing that!). Maybe we all need to start advocating cycling, walking and public transport in such a manner, it doesn't diminish the fact that some do need cars but that cars shouldn't be the bee all and end all and that urban design and transportation designed for the cyclist, walker and public transport user is also beneficial to those who need to use cars...less congestion, easier parking etc etc. Going 'car-lite' also suggests that you can be both a cycle user and a car user, they are not mutually exclusive and just because you use a bike it doesn't mean you have to give up your car as a result.
      Yes! we need to advocate for more 'car-lite lifestyles'!

    • @coleciervo5454
      @coleciervo5454 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      The Indiana state government needs to get with the program and un-ban light rail and stop meddling in IndyGo's efforts to build BRT. Carmel is good except that there is no transit link to any other city in Indiana.

    • @RobinRense
      @RobinRense 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I'm pretty amazed as a Dutchman, it looks really Dutch 👌
      Seems like a nice place to be :)

    • @Velociraptor449
      @Velociraptor449 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You're glossing over the fact that everywhere else in Carmel is impossible to bike, I'm approx 25 minutes away from the Highschool by bike, but it's impossible to bike there because there's no safe route. Also we have no public transit, there's no affordable housing, there's overcrowded schools, alt-right leadership, wealth hoarding, nobody stops for pedestrians, the residents make me consider suicide regularly because of how awful they are to be around, and we're not building infrastructure at a rate that can keep up with the houses we're building.

  • @RipCityBassWorks
    @RipCityBassWorks 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +491

    That's crazy that a random suburb that most people have never heard of is way more pedestrian and biking friendly than the larger city.

    • @Kingedwardiii2003
      @Kingedwardiii2003 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      We Hoosiers know Carmel well lol if you move there you made it out the hood lol

    • @CubeNotFunny
      @CubeNotFunny 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Us Hoosiers know Carmel well, most towns and cities in Indiana are going to be like this in future.

    • @Kingedwardiii2003
      @Kingedwardiii2003 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@CubeNotFunny yea I hope so lol Rochester needs to step their game up 🤣🤣

    • @isaacanderson5083
      @isaacanderson5083 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

      It's not, don't be fooled only the city center is walkable, the city as a whole scores 19/100 on walk score. Not to mention there is zero public transportation

    • @JoshuaHere
      @JoshuaHere 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Carmel is pretty well-known as it is the richest city in Indiana. Their behemoth of a high school is also stupendously fancy.

  • @Tristan-mc4wm
    @Tristan-mc4wm 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +184

    As a dutchy, looking at the thumbnail I actually thought it was a new neighbourhood somewhere in the Netherlands. Until I read the Title. Honestly really cool!

    • @coolsoenie
      @coolsoenie 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I thought exactly the same

    • @Joey-ct8bm
      @Joey-ct8bm 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It has more the Denmark style, not the Dutch. It's close though.

    • @myramoki
      @myramoki 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      In the very small downtown portion they are talking about, yes, it's cool. The vast rest of Carmel is a car-centric, bike-unfriendly, homogenous housing projects aimed solely at very pricey homes. Get around for any decent amount of time, and outside of downtown Carmel, and it is very obvious.

  • @sebzuddas
    @sebzuddas 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +175

    America has so much potential

    • @Zhiperser
      @Zhiperser 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      America has always had potential. That's why it sucks so much when people give up caring or trying.

    • @dantem4119
      @dantem4119 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@Zhiperseroof that one hurts haha

    • @johnames6430
      @johnames6430 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yes, if all our money was not given to Ukraine/Isra3l imagine would could be

    • @DefensisIndus
      @DefensisIndus 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Kinda what makes USA cool. What we lack in ancient Traditions, we make up for, being ever changing 👍

    • @AbrahamCasillas-t3o
      @AbrahamCasillas-t3o 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@johnames6430 Don't bring any of that stuff here, we were already funding many foreign countries.

  • @samenos9086
    @samenos9086 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

    as a republican who is also against car dependency and all for cycling and people friendly cities, this is one of my favorite videos! friendly streets/cities and cycling don't have to be political!

    • @scruf153
      @scruf153 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I am a republican and is against car dependency to been car free since 2020 living in Alabama

    • @VivekPatel-ze6jy
      @VivekPatel-ze6jy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Not to be that guy, but it is political, just not in a traditional left-right sense. Regardless of your representative's party, the key is making sure they know how important a people oriented city is to you.

    • @Netizpossible
      @Netizpossible 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@VivekPatel-ze6jy I mean it doesnt have to be a political issue at all. DOTs in red states will often spend more money on expanding interstates, so getting 23 million to build a city like this is like a drop in a bucket. Plus over 100 million dollars was invested by private businesses into this city because of how unique it is. It could be a model for states wanting to profit off of good urbanism, especially since this city's mayor is republican.

    • @josephpadula2283
      @josephpadula2283 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      One the most vocal advocates of the modern light rail , starting in San Diego , was Paul Michael Weyrich.
      Founder of the Heritage Foundation as as conservative as they come .
      He ran a magazine on light rail before he died .
      Google him .@

    • @myramoki
      @myramoki 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Sorry, this video shows a VERY small portion of Carmel. Tiny! Miniscule. The reset of Carmel, and there is a lot of it, is a VAST sprawling CAR HEAVY suburb. Left or right, it doesn't matter. This city, you need a car!

  • @sqoomsh
    @sqoomsh 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +215

    It was a pleasure seeing you! I am so glad that you got to come and enjoy this lovely city. With the right vision, even North America can be a walkable environment!

    • @BicycleDutch
      @BicycleDutch  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      Thanks again! It was surprising to be recognised by you so far from home!
      Did you also see the blog post? (Link in the description.)

    • @sqoomsh
      @sqoomsh 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      @@BicycleDutch I did see the blog post, and when I read the P.S. I got a big smile on my face! Thank you for being so kind and pleasant. Your inspiration, through your videos and personality, has made a huge impact on my life and view of the world! P.S., thank you for the stickers! New bike is on the way, and I can’t wait to put one on!

  • @davidsprenkle2641
    @davidsprenkle2641 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +159

    Great to see progress here in the U.S. There seems to be growing momentum towards making urban areas less car-centric

    • @peachezprogramming
      @peachezprogramming 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      No, you're wrong. I've been all over the US and Carmel is literally the only, ONLY one doing nice things.

    • @geoffreyhoney122
      @geoffreyhoney122 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      @@peachezprogramming Emeryville California Mayor John Bauters would disagree!

    • @ChristiaanHW
      @ChristiaanHW 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@peachezprogramming to be fair change often happens because one place/person/group has the balls to try something new.
      and after a while other places see how it goes, and if it turns out to be something that's needed/wanted other places will start to copy it.
      right now most of the US is still stuck in the mindset that what they already have might be best. but more and more people find out that what Carmel has done might actually a better way of living. and when that group becomes big enough to influence other towns/cities in the US this type of urban planning will spread throughout the US.
      so if you want more places to go into the direction of Carmel, go and share videos like this one with the people around you. and find out who you need to approach in your area to get the (local) politicians in on it. and with time your area could become like Carmel too.

    • @LucasDimoveo
      @LucasDimoveo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@peachezprogrammingDavis? Boulder?

    • @superbrownsheep3777
      @superbrownsheep3777 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@ChristiaanHWThe thing I’m most curious about is if Carmel will have Actual Public Transportation in the future. The transportation that does exist in Carmel is only reserved for elderly and disabled people. I hope to see public transportation make a return in Carmel in the future

  • @Siranoxz
    @Siranoxz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +137

    I'm actually quite happy to see North American cycling and walking infrastructure done properly, of course with some improvements needed.
    But the effort is absolutely substantial!.
    Indiana is definitely taking this effort at heart..

    • @aceman0000099
      @aceman0000099 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Indiana as a whole? Or just this city

    • @Siranoxz
      @Siranoxz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@aceman0000099 Is it just this part of the city?

    • @aceman0000099
      @aceman0000099 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Siranoxz Indiana is a State, quite a big one. Goes from Chicago to Kentucky

    • @Siranoxz
      @Siranoxz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@aceman0000099 My bad.

    • @isaacanderson5083
      @isaacanderson5083 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Siranoxz Most of Carmel Indiana is standard suburban sprawl. Indiana as a state is horribly car-centric, the state has banned light rail and is trying to ban bus rapid transit

  • @myramoki
    @myramoki 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I live here in Carmel. Have for a big chunk of my life growing up, and now with a family. And most of what he says in this video is generally true, but only when you look at a very narrow slice of Carmel. The vast majority of Carmel is a massive sprawling suburb, to the point were we are running out of land to build more huge homogenous housing projects on which is ABSOLUTELY car-centric. My kid has a friend on the other side of Carmel, and it takes a good 15 minutes in a car to drive to their house. And thats on a fairly high-speed stroad. The amount of car traffic zipping around everywhere in Carmel is crazy compared to when I was a kid. And the roundabouts, while maybe good for. some things, do tend to make a steady flow of traffic that doesn't want to stop for something as pesky as someone on a bike. Few of the streets are designed with any kind of bike lane.
    The Monon trail is great, back when I lived within reasonably easy access to it, but now I'm on the other side of town, and there is little in the way of east-west bike-only paths to get there. And there are no north-south trails like the Monon where I'm at. So its great if you live near it, but most of Carmel does not have easy access to it or an alternative in their part of town.
    Yes, they have revitalized a lot of older downtown Carmel, and there is a lot more higher density housing there, with a small amount being mixed use, but you still need a car if you want to go grocery shopping, as there is no mass-transit that will let you easily get to a store without needing your car. The pharmacies are even further away. The local movie theatre has a bike rack, but it's in a shopping plaza surrounded by VERY busy roads. I wouldn't want to bike there. And as they add more and more high-density housing, more people are on the roads to get to their jobs, to shop, to do things. The fancy part of the Monon trail is just a tiny fraction of the entirety. If I want to go visit it, I've got to get in my car, and deal with traffic, and parking because there certainly isn't any other transit option from where I live to this 'bike friendly' area.
    Getting to downtown Indianapolis via light rail would have been awesome, IF they hadn't converted the Monon to a bike only lane. If they had left the train line, and built the trail next to it, they could have put in some light rail AND had a cool bike path. Which would have been great for all the people that live in Carmel to access all the events in Indy without having to deal with a car.
    They have built and are building a number of parking garages because if you want to visit Carmel, you pretty much have to have a car, and there is precious little parking downtown with all the people trying to come here. Most of the housing is very expensive, so getting all the people we need to work at a lot of the service jobs we have, isn't easy, when they can't necessarily afford to live here. And there is no transit to help get people here.
    So this story is really misleading. Should have spent a little more time driving around all the bike-unfriendly areas, with ZERO high density, much less, mixed use housing. Forget mass-transit. Forget ditching your car. You're going to TOTALLY need your car. Unless you happen to live and work in a couple of the VERY few areas where getting around on a bike or your two legs is feasible. The rest of the city is NOT like this video.

    • @TheEvox81
      @TheEvox81 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Came here to say something similar. Carmel tries to present itself as just the part you see in this video, but outside of the downtown core, it's another sprawling suburb like any other. And a lot of the niceties fade the further you get from downtown.

    • @cohenspams
      @cohenspams หลายเดือนก่อน

      this!!!!

  • @oldbrokenhands
    @oldbrokenhands 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +193

    A quiet, people-centric city in a red state, I can only dream of something like that in Texas.

    • @yuriydee
      @yuriydee 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

      Its always odd how republican leaders are always talking about saving the “main street” yet the way we build suburbs in US is antithetical to that. Building cities like mentioned in the video can absolutely be a conservative talking point (spending taxes wisely duh) yet it isnt.

    • @iamjoestafford
      @iamjoestafford 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

      @@yuriydee Exactly true. The Dutch are not ruled by green environmentalists, but instead by pragmatic right-of-centre conservatives who understand that spending tax money on great planning and public transport leads to economic growth, as well as making places pleasant to live in.
      I live in the UK, and the contrast is stark - our system means that none of our local leaders could possibly do what they have done in Carmel or The Netherlands, our high streets are all dying, and even Manchester (which has a bit more autonomy) doesn't have the freedom or money to do more than install an occasional bumpy bike path and a few badly designed cyclops junctions. Plus now we even have the government backing up conspiracy theories about low traffic neighbourhoods and lower speed limits...I don't have much hope that things will improve!

    • @LeafHuntress
      @LeafHuntress 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I believe Active Towns is located in Texas & they showcase some stuff from that state. It is of course large & it might not be in your neck of the woods.

    • @mindstalk
      @mindstalk 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      @@yuriydee
      Conservatives: "we believe in markets and property rights!"
      Person: "So I can replace my house with apartments or a shop?"
      Conservatives: "No!"

    • @michaelrains64295
      @michaelrains64295 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@mindstalkthat’s not a typical conservative viewpoint in the slightest.

  • @rajm2626
    @rajm2626 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +584

    One of the few places in the US that doesn't look like actual garbage. One cannot help but notice the abundance of people out and about in your film shots, even though it's clearly not even summer there yet. It turns out that people like a nice built environment.

    • @davidnicholson6680
      @davidnicholson6680 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      "One of the few places in the US that doesn't look like absolute garbage"? Please. Maybe you need to look around a bit more.

    • @favoritemyvideo
      @favoritemyvideo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davidnicholson6680 80% of the US cities has high crime, unemployment, homelessness. Don't you love the internet? Anonymous people can post any fact they want.

    • @popcorn8153
      @popcorn8153 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      As crappy as urban planning is, I would say that there are plenty of beautiful places in the USA. Maybe not on the west coast though.

    • @tomodomo1000
      @tomodomo1000 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@popcorn8153 Considering how huge the US is, only a few places look so good.

    • @michaelrains64295
      @michaelrains64295 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      The US is 9 million+ square kilometers. It highly unlikely you’ve seen a sufficient amount of that to have a relevant opinion. Plus, your opinion is wholly subjective to your values, which are not universal. Try again.

  • @WanderlustTravelVideos
    @WanderlustTravelVideos 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What is impressive is that the urban design looks very European/Dutch. And that is obviously the hand of the architects. Well done!

  • @melalmagro2000
    @melalmagro2000 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +91

    I was thrilled to run into you at the Carmel Library while you were visiting. Wonderful video and perspective on the area my family and I have chosen to call home. Thanks to you, your partner, and @AmericanFietser for spending a few minutes talking to my son and I. I hope you enjoyed your travels to Indiana!

    • @BicycleDutch
      @BicycleDutch  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Being approached twice in 24 hours by people who knew our channels was absolutely fantastic! That's why I mention it in the blog post. Thanks for the talk and also the comments here. I hope you and your family can enjoy the car light life in the Carmel area from now on!

  • @jefflastofka9289
    @jefflastofka9289 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    Nice to see this. I discovered your channel a few years ago and it was life-changing. I'm learning Dutch and have spent nine weeks there on three visits the last two years. Going for two months this summer. Dreaming of moving there, actually. Ik ben nu een beetja tweetalig, danzij jou.

    • @joehoe222
      @joehoe222 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Don't take it too harsh ;-). Beetje*. Happy to be your grinding stone today.

    • @jefflastofka9289
      @jefflastofka9289 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@joehoe222 aaacckk... een fout. Dank u wel.

    • @atropatene3596
      @atropatene3596 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Wat gaaf! Daar mag u best trots op zijn, een tweede taal leren is niet niks hoor!

    • @jefflastofka9289
      @jefflastofka9289 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@atropatene3596 Bedankt. Voor mij is het één van mijn hobby's. Meer plezier toen ik bezoek. Ook krijg ik daarvan speciaal behandeling 🙂

    • @RobinRense
      @RobinRense 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha, ja dat wordt gewaardeerd :)

  • @paolagrando5079
    @paolagrando5079 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Well done Carmel! Well done to the mayor and everybody else involved who has been helping, in one way or another, this transformation. 🎉

  • @swtexan6502
    @swtexan6502 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    Hopefully we made a good impression on you. We've lived here for almost 20 years and have seen significant (good) change in the Carmel/Westfield area. When we moved here, you had to stop along the Monon trail at each and every street- which is fun prohibative. And, the areas that Brandon features weren't even here then. Thanks for making the video and safe travels.

  • @jasper6073
    @jasper6073 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Great architecture too; the new building blocks look like the've always been there.

  • @patrickbritting6251
    @patrickbritting6251 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I grew up in the neighboring suburb to Carmel (Fishers) and the arts district of Carmel was always a place I loved going with my friends, because when you need a cheap activity to do with your friends as a teenager, having a convenient place to get coffee, sit and chat, and go on a walking trail was luxury I didn't fully appreciate at the time. Your video was phenomenal, and I would just like to emphasize two points. One is that walkability and attractiveness in any part of America is heavily correlated with the wealth of that area. Carmel is one of the wealthiest places in Indiana, if not the entire US, and something I noticed as my neighboring suburb grew in both wealth and population was that our commercial areas and city center were developed very similarly to Carmel. So often a lot of less walkable/attractive suburbs just don't have tons of resources to put into that type of development or there's not political will among residents to raise the taxes to do that (Its even a fight in wealthy suburbs, trust me). The other thing I wanted to point out is I've mentioned commercial areas several times because if you live in most residential areas of these suburbs, biking/walking infrastructure is very limited or non-existent leaving most residents with still no other option than to drive (hence the necessity for large parking garages all over the commercial areas). Keep up the good work! Love to see videos like this!

    • @tiansivive
      @tiansivive 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is a common excuse I see, that there just isn't enough money in other areas.
      I'd like to counter that, because Carmel actually spent less money on their roundabouts than the typical American "one more lane" improvements. So while Carmel might be wealthier, they're also using their money way more efficiently. The true difference is political will. It's beyond bewildering that it took a trip to Europe to build simple roundabout interchanges, so it's no wonder there's such aversion to them in most other cities.
      As for the boulevard, it's the other way around: the communities are poor because they're unattractive, because no money is spent on them. There are plenty of examples where just a tiny bit of investment dramatically increases quality of life. You see people walking, jogging, socialising in public spaces in Carmel because the facilities are there. If they weren't, it'd be just another isolated, residential, sleepover suburb.

  • @thndr_5468
    @thndr_5468 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    That mayor is doing an incredible job by transforming his city into a shining example. Props to him!

  • @jessicamorrisonco
    @jessicamorrisonco 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    As a Realtor and local resident of the Carmel, Indiana area, it is truly a gift to call this place home. Thank you for taking the time to make this video, and visit our community. The feedback is wonderful to hear from your perspective. Was there a favorite restaurant you enjoyed?

  • @kailahmann1823
    @kailahmann1823 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +88

    Wow, this city looks so extremely far ahead of the usual US or Canadian city - especially from the aspect of mixed use and density.

    • @mindstalk
      @mindstalk 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Judging by the building styles, a lot of that mixed use and density is legacy, as in other places...

    • @ojasdeshmukh3037
      @ojasdeshmukh3037 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I have to say as a resident most of the city does not look this. Busy 4 lane roads and state road highways still cut through the citu

    • @cincybengals101
      @cincybengals101 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@ojasdeshmukh3037 I live in Downtown Indianapolis and always defend our city above Carmel, mainly because I want to see Indy grow and prosper because we've got a lot of good people trying to get things done. I love Carmel's main city, but yeah, the entire place is still suburban sprawl. Plenty of strip malls, stroads, poor walkability. There's not many walking options from your house to other places outside of your suburban neighborhood.

    • @myramoki
      @myramoki 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ojasdeshmukh3037 Exactly. Lived here much of my life. Back when it was maybe 20k people, and a LOT of it was still farmland. Now I live in an area of Carmel, that used to be just a big huge farm. Now it's all cookie cutter housing.

    • @SitIdiot
      @SitIdiot 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ojasdeshmukh3037 The only highways in Carmel are Michigan Road/421 on the western border, 31 - a legitimate highway, and Keystone if you're feeling generous

  • @annebraun581
    @annebraun581 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Thanks for the video.
    Anne from Berlin.

  • @paulm7826
    @paulm7826 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Carmel looks terrific. Bravo.

  • @louiszhang3050
    @louiszhang3050 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Wow, when I looked at the thumbnail I thought it was in the Netherlands or Denmark or Sweden at first. Then I saw that it was INDIANA. Some of the development happening there seems really nice and almost reminiscent of the places you'd show in your home country. Definitely should be a place I visit soon :)

  • @mommalion7028
    @mommalion7028 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for visiting Indiana!!!!

  • @lolololol7573
    @lolololol7573 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Wow, an investment of 'only' 23 million, and to get this in return? This is fantastic :) It really does look oddly familiar from a Dutch perspective and absolutely like something you'd want to visit. What a success!

  • @robrusman2511
    @robrusman2511 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    i honestly believe the political divide in the US will be closed by a mutual love of human-first urban development

    • @charlienyc1
      @charlienyc1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It could be. While I'm an optimist, it's hard to hold out hope for something that would be so good for everyone just based on past decisions and politics.

    • @skurinski
      @skurinski 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      not happening. America is shifting left off a cliff

  • @josephwaggener9307
    @josephwaggener9307 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    From Colorado where some of this is just normal infrastructure, I am so impressed with Carmel! What a beautiful area! Great job

    • @LucasDimoveo
      @LucasDimoveo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Boulder needs to step up its game!

  • @k.r.t5350
    @k.r.t5350 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    As a dutch man, this city is on to something! There are so many benefits to this, people having a good time and hanging around, the place is not only surviving but thriving! You are making good progress USA ❤

  • @КостяЛопунов
    @КостяЛопунов 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mark, you are a true promoter of cycling!
    Keep up the good work!

  • @Arjay404
    @Arjay404 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    I think it's really cool that you went to Carmel. As someone that lives in the Netherlands I'm actually somewhat jealous of some of the things that Carmel has done. Because even though I love the bike infrastructure that we have in the Netherlands I do love some of things of American life, like in this video I really like the style of some of the homes shown, which in the Netherlands unless you have a lot of money isn't something you are likely to be able to have. So I think for most places that are still too focused on the car, Carmel is a great example to strive to, that way you get much of the safety, health benefits and better city planning of the Netherlands but still keep much of "American" life.
    If I could pick, I would honestly pick the Carmel way over the Dutch way, though obviously with some improvements in the Carmel way. Like for example, I don't know how good their public transport is. I would need bus and especially train connection to be as good as it is in the Netherlands.

    • @jefflastofka9289
      @jefflastofka9289 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I live near San Diego and have lived in a lot of the US. Recently discovered the Netherlands (multiple visits now) and love it there. I don't know Carmel specifically, but mass transit here is VERY bad compared to the Netherlands. There's much less coverage both geographically and schedule. Plus, here, it's mostly people who can't afford car travel that you'll find on mass transit, so even though I like it, the crowd you end up associating with is often fairly sketchy (not all of them, but percentage-wise yes). In the Netherlands almost everyone rides transit, so the ratio of sketchy people is a lot less. That and the lack of coverage makes mass transit a difficult proposition here. It works in a few places, but you'd have to research it carefully. In the Netherlands you can hop on a train in your small town and step off underneath the airport at Schiphol. In San Diego or Los Angeles that's not remotely possible. It's an expensive, time-consuming nightmare. Seems I've spent half my life sitting in traffic waiting to turn left at intersections. In the Netherlands I happily go an entire month without getting in a car:-) Think long and hard before you give up what you have to come here :-)

    • @Arjay404
      @Arjay404 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@jefflastofka9289 Oh yes, I know that generally public transport in the us is bad or none existent, I just don't know if Carmel is the same or the mayor and the government there has done anything to improve public transport there.
      Public transport in the US unless it's in some very specific locations (like NYC) is just for the poor and desperate, unlike in the Netherlands (and many places in Europe, Asia and South America.) where it's for anyone and everyone.

    • @jefflastofka9289
      @jefflastofka9289 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Arjay404 Yes, it's a difficult proposition here even for well-meaning officials who want to do the right thing. Getting support up front to build the infrastructure to hopefully have ridership later is a tough sell. Americans are SO addicted to cars. We are getting more and more things like this popping up here and there, however. It's going to take a LONG time before it's wide-spread, but there's hope in the denser-populated areas I suppose.

    • @JosiahKeller
      @JosiahKeller 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Carmel has no public transit whatsoever. To get to Indianapolis you have to either drive, or bike 5-10 miles to get to a bus stop across the county line.

    • @millevenon5853
      @millevenon5853 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      America is big so you can find suburbs with big homes under 200k especially in middle America.

  • @carmelmuprider825
    @carmelmuprider825 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Glad you made it to Carmel. I moved here in 2006 when we only had a handful of roundabouts and very limited bike paths. While the Monon gets a lot of the attention, it represents only 5.2 miles of the over 200 miles of trails. Every year more trails are being built and our ability to get to a variety of amenities is also growing. I hope you enjoyed your time here and thanks for sharing your thoughts on our city. Keep up the great work you do.

  • @marcelmoulin3335
    @marcelmoulin3335 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    "Bravo!" to all those responsible for creating such a vibrant, attractive, memorable, and cycle-/pedestrian-friendly environment. What a joy! (Is this really in the US?!) I am watching from the Netherlands.

  • @Hbraam
    @Hbraam 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I wonder whether the initial plans met fierce restitance. I suppose that the population of Carmel (shopowners included) was initially just as car centric as the population of any other American town. And, if so, how did the mayor overcome this resistance?

    • @papaya8634
      @papaya8634 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      True, that would be very interesting to know

    • @txquartz
      @txquartz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      A lot of it at the beginning was predicated on keeping Carmel property values as high as possible, and to keep a upper class small town feel while modernizing.

    • @firebird4491
      @firebird4491 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I live within biking distance of Carmel and the only complaints I've heard personally are the roundabouts, mainly because most drivers in the state are used to traditional intersections and find them confusing. Other towns and cities have roundabouts, but not nearly as many as in Carmel and the surrounding suburbs.

  • @dannyjarratt5414
    @dannyjarratt5414 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is so calming and comforting. Great little video

  • @OhTheNormanity
    @OhTheNormanity 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've seen a lot of videos on the roundabouts in Carmel but this is the first I've seen on the other infrastructure. I'm impressed.

  • @larsleo7059
    @larsleo7059 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Wow, as a European that lived in America for a year, this city looks like the fusion of a European and American city i always dreamed of. Hats off to them, amazing!

  • @mysteriousMatchStick
    @mysteriousMatchStick 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Such a surprise to see this in Indiana. Hope they keep it going.

  • @ArtzFenix
    @ArtzFenix 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent video. Enjoyed riding from Indy up to Carmel.

  • @ahoog69
    @ahoog69 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I hope other municipalities see and learn from this excellent presentation. Living in Burbank, CA, we could certainly benefit from this type of infrastructure. There are quite a few projects underway here, and some of them do include cycling infrastructure.

  • @picakiaak
    @picakiaak 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Nice job Americano's! Notice that the electrical cables are almost everywhere burried under ground what makes a huge different to me. Keep up the good work!

  • @ItsCharlieVest
    @ItsCharlieVest 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very cool. I live an hour away from Carmel and never knew anything about it before. Now I want to go check it out!

  • @aul0s
    @aul0s 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Absolutely inspiring

  • @alexgria
    @alexgria 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i am glad you enjoyed our small but special city!

  • @rnor3146
    @rnor3146 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    .....🤍💛🧡❤💜💙!!!!
    Hello!😉
    Beautiful video, as usual, and beautiful report.
    This city is an advanced one, and many should take example on it.
    Have a great continuation and see you.
    😉👍👍👍👌

  • @fritsz8087
    @fritsz8087 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Goed zo. Nu de rest van America nog. Goed voor jullie gezondheid. 👍

  • @mattlamson4171
    @mattlamson4171 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My wife and I lived in Indy for a few years. We always loved visiting Carmel! Has a lot going for it!

  • @a-borgia4993
    @a-borgia4993 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video. we have been to Carmel many times. Good (Dutch) friend and my in-laws live there. We have taken our fietsen on the Monon several times.

  • @computerfan1079
    @computerfan1079 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Fascinating sights. At some points it felt almost dutch, whitch I have never had before with US cities

  • @xXikip1018Xx
    @xXikip1018Xx 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This popped up in my recommended and its always wild to see places I'm familiar with being discussed online, I am from a smaller city next to Carmel and Carmel's style of developments are starting to spread more around our sort of 4 city area here in Hamilton County, having grown up here my whole life the change has been incredible to see.

  • @anthonydpearson
    @anthonydpearson 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Gorgeous! Reading the history of Mayor Brainard is great, and seems the sort of leader we could use in more communities. Believes in using experts, good urban design, civil rights and diversity, and also believes in doing so in a way that you're not bankrupting future generations.

  • @kitchencarvings4621
    @kitchencarvings4621 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome! I wish they would do something like that in our town. It would revitalize it.

  • @Carsten_Diekmann
    @Carsten_Diekmann 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A great video.
    I like the part that highlights how the Monon has become the crystallization core for successful urban growth in generell. I was a real estate developer. The access to cycling infrastructure is such an important point that I now only doing cycling stuff … 🤓
    Greatings to Mrs. and Mr. @AmericanFietser

    • @txquartz
      @txquartz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Be honest then, it also probably came with a big TIFF or other tax breaks. It's not just "there's a trail here", it's the city saying "build buy the trail and we'll make it worth your while"

  • @Kingedwardiii2003
    @Kingedwardiii2003 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Lived in Carmel last year Indiana native here, rented an apartment with a buddy of mine and loved it there

  • @Kuijpermedia
    @Kuijpermedia 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing video well done 👍 short and to the point

  • @CandycaneBeyond
    @CandycaneBeyond 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We need this up north in Indiana

  • @insertyourquarters
    @insertyourquarters 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is wonderful!

  • @MarkDDG
    @MarkDDG 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Let’s hope a lot more places get inspired by Carmel!

  • @leonaessens4399
    @leonaessens4399 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Interesting to see the Dutch "bakfiets" being adopted in Carmel as well. Also, Carmel is making it clear that the Dutch approach to traffic management and infrastructure CAN be applied in North America.

  • @hansonel
    @hansonel 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As an American Midwesterner it took me a few seconds to realize the shots weren't of somewhere in The Netherlands. Carmel is the best designed suburb in the US and possibly the most Dutch suburb in the United States also.

    • @Velociraptor449
      @Velociraptor449 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Carmel is horribly designed and does not have the infrastructure to compensate for all the McMansions being built on the west side (not safe to bike from east side of town to west or vice versa)

  • @DinoCon
    @DinoCon 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    If I were a film or television studio, I would absolutely film there.

    • @joseph1150
      @joseph1150 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      IDK, the weather isn't really consistent enough. It's different brands of miserable for most of the year. Like 2 months in the spring (April/May) and 2 months in the fall (September/October) it's nice.

  • @Jaigarful
    @Jaigarful 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Something to remember, Carmel is one of the nicest suburban Areas of Indianapolis, so many people who work in the city live up there. They have an abnormal amount of money to work with.

  • @Rik-rj3pu
    @Rik-rj3pu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As a Dutch person I’m very happy to see an American city slowly turning in to a better city for its citizens! 😄

  • @Zhiperser
    @Zhiperser 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    There are lots of nice rich suburbs in America. This is one of them.
    I'd love to see it be implemented in an affordable city.

    • @shivtim
      @shivtim 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Chicago.

    • @worstedwoolens
      @worstedwoolens 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The thing is, good livable infrastructure is an attractive force. It attracts people who can afford to move out of cities that don't want to build it. Until it is the norm, building this kind of infrastructure is always going to turn your affordable town into an expensive affluent one. The only way to make these places affordable in the long term is to make them common, rather than an oasis in the middle of car dependent hell

  • @LivingInCarmelIndiana
    @LivingInCarmelIndiana 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's great to see that Carmel is pioneering the urban/suburban redevelopment in the United States! Thankful to live here.

  • @andyvoss1149
    @andyvoss1149 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I heard about this city in the news regarding their roundabouts. I didn't know good multi-modal infrastructure was also available. I enjoyed the eclipse in a nearby town also near Indianapolis. I hope Carmel inspires more North American towns that it can be done - even if they are small in comparison to other big cities.

  • @cycleistic1365
    @cycleistic1365 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    If only the rest of the US would follow this example, rather than the opposite. That would send a great signal to the rest of the world even, where car centricism prevails.

    • @mesoed
      @mesoed 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well, it helps that Carmel is one of the richest communities in the US.

    • @cycleistic1365
      @cycleistic1365 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mesoed No doubt _it takes change to make change,_ and yet, car centric infra is known to be often economically net negative, streets, roads and parking lots aren't cheap to build or maintain, plus all the adverse effects that it brings along. There are good sources that explain how car infrastructure actually contributes to communal poverty:
      th-cam.com/video/eio2aZb_iiw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fxDnF_nTf-3fEmSX
      th-cam.com/video/aq6-ny_9Riw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=o6YKw7AKNLfZbcBE
      th-cam.com/video/Ds-v2-qyCc8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=e8vJz0J51adBJua-

  • @BenoitMenez2
    @BenoitMenez2 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The videos here date back from months to years ago. A lot more has changed and improved since then!

    • @BicycleDutch
      @BicycleDutch  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Except for one clip where that was stated as the before situation, all the footage was filmed early April 2024.

  • @Maebbie
    @Maebbie 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    this is amazing that a city like this can be in the usa, only the street signs give a hint it is.

  • @paolagrando5079
    @paolagrando5079 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    If you want more details check the blog (the link is in the description 📦). You'll find great stuff like the fact that at the first round about the population was at just 25,000people. The good development must have made a good impression on people who decided to move there. Again, my compliments to the mayor 💜

  • @Timmiee76
    @Timmiee76 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very cool!

  • @starbase218
    @starbase218 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I am amazed. This is in the USA but I’m getting strong Dutch vibes.
    Thanks for saying it does not have to be political. I think that’s exactly the tone we need.

  • @user6122
    @user6122 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Anyone really shocked about how Indiana of all places got something like this, look up the distribution of salary or house costs for the suburb then you'll understand lol.

  • @Gypsum179
    @Gypsum179 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I would honestly consider moving there.

  • @komandagleby_GB
    @komandagleby_GB 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    HaHaHa-at 0:21-0:27, you can see our bike trio that came to Carmel to watch the eclipse! If you're interested, watch our ride along the Michigan Lake trail in Chicago. As for coming to Indiana from the Netherlands to bike, we recently traveled with our bikes to Japan from the US, so you can try this as well.

  • @rodrigosouto9502
    @rodrigosouto9502 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Holly God, is this really the USA? Amazing city!

  • @youtube1e2r3t
    @youtube1e2r3t 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    VIDEO IDEE: Hey, ik had laatst wellicht een leuk idee voor je om een video over te maken. In Amsterdam goed zichtbaar, maar ook zeker in de fietscultuur in andere steden, is het idee dat de persoon met momentum voorrang krijgt, soort hidden culture. Om een voorbeeld te geven, een Nederlandse voetganger ziet een fietser aankomen en zou nog wel voor kunnen gaan over het zebrapad omdat men voorrang heeft, toch doet men dit niet omdat de fietser anders moet afremmen of stoppen. Het zijn de kleine dingen die het leuk maken denk ik!

    • @atropatene3596
      @atropatene3596 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wat een goed idee! Ik denk daar niet eens over na. Maar nu je het zegt, inderdaad!

    • @lkruijsw
      @lkruijsw 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Klopt. Als automobilist moet je ook geen fietser nog voorrang geven als die al stil staat. Dat is als fietser alleen maar irritant, want dan ben je al gestopt en moet je opeens veel kracht geven.

  • @driewiel
    @driewiel 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Should be called Bikemel.

  • @Flannel_Affinity
    @Flannel_Affinity 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is all very nice, but the video glosses over the fact that Carmel is one of the wealthiest cities in Indiana and is located in Hamilton County which has the highest median household income in the state. Such projects are exceedingly more difficult to realize in Indiana municipalities and counties with smaller and/or far less affluent tax bases.

    • @Velociraptor449
      @Velociraptor449 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Also it only talks about one side of Carmel because everywhere else is ass to bike around

  • @denizwesley3227
    @denizwesley3227 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Pretty little town!

  • @etienneE
    @etienneE 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That looks great! 😀

  • @sekritdokumint9326
    @sekritdokumint9326 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing! The only thing that bugs me as someone coming from central europe are the manicured lawns. Less deep green empty lawns with grass, more bushes and flowers like we have here. Natural grass is the way to go!

  • @robertfindley921
    @robertfindley921 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I live in Carmel. The roundabouts are EVERYWHERE! Roads are constantly shut down all summer to put them in places where there is almost never any traffic. They have tall sculptures in them, some as much as $375,000 each, which block cyclists' view of oncoming traffic. The city is $1.5+ billion (yes, with a 'b') in debt. I can only conclude there are major kickbacks going on. I will move soon before the debt balloon bursts.

  • @dn3286a
    @dn3286a หลายเดือนก่อน

    As someone who grew up in Carmel but has now lived in big-town Germany for the last 8 years (=lots of public transportation/bike infrastructure) here are my two cents: The roundabouts are great and worth all the construction chaos over the last decade or so. The six blocks in the center of town that you talk of are great, albeit with a manufactured "old-school" charm because obviously everything is new. But, the rest of Carmel is typical American suburbia with large neighborhoods of single family homes zoned off from commercial areas, meaning you have to take your car everywhere you go. In many places there are no sidewalks along the roads. I am currently back in town and went to the farmer's market in central Carmel last weekend and the overwhelming majority of visitors came by car. If you live near the central district, or along the Monon trail then you can conceivabley bike into town, but that's it.

  • @jg-7780
    @jg-7780 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I'd love to visit Carmel some day, it seems like a fascinating city. It's just a shame that for all the incredible progress they've made on the pedestrian and cycling fronts, they still have no public transit whatsoever except for a dial-a-ride that must be reserved 24hrs in advance.

    • @joseph1150
      @joseph1150 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's mostly a bedroom city that everybody commutes to Indianapolis. Everybody that is well off enough to live there can afford to drive. It's a very quick drive at that, being directly north of the CBD, shopping areas, and 465 loop that takes you anywhere quickly.
      If you wanted mass transit there, it would have to be part of a city wide network through Indianapolis, which just isn't going to happen any time soon.

    • @kandiceblu1
      @kandiceblu1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The mayor also connected all the major freeways from Carmel ...he transformed Meridian Street into connecting with 465 ...it's unreal what this man did... and his timing was perfect..

  • @something-hs1ui
    @something-hs1ui 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I want this guy to plan my city

  • @gregtitus2467
    @gregtitus2467 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Kudos to Carmel for doing such an outstanding job! Way better than Carmel, CA!!!

  • @TheSpaceBrosShow
    @TheSpaceBrosShow 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    0:24 is literally me and my folks lmao
    We came to visit friends for the eclipse

    • @TheSpaceBrosShow
      @TheSpaceBrosShow 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Also, it was great checking out the area from a cyclsist's perspective. I was surprised how now it was; you can bike all the way to Indianapolis quite easily from Carmel

  • @joetrey215
    @joetrey215 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Important considerations:
    In 2023, Carmel was the most expensive city to live in in Indiana.
    The median family income in 2021 was just under $120,000.
    "In 2021, the median property value in Carmel, IN was $372,100, and the homeownership rate was 75.3%.
    Most people in Carmel, IN drove alone to work, and the average commute time was 25 minutes. The average car ownership in Carmel, IN was 2 cars per household."
    The percent black population in 2021 was 2.7% of the total.

  • @mcc.o.4835
    @mcc.o.4835 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Brillant!! Well done Carmel Indiana.. 👏😀

  • @an_der4856
    @an_der4856 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    cidade linda! - Brasil, São Paulo

  • @sebastianjoseph2828
    @sebastianjoseph2828 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice video. I wonder, when you were in the US did you get a chance to visit any other cities to look at bike infrastructure there? I hope you have a chance to visit Washington DC one day. It's not Dutch-standard, but there has been quite a lot of progress in the last 5 years on getting bike lanes (especially protected lanes) installed in much of the core of the city. The city has a generously cheap and widespread bike share program called CaBi. You can take bikes on the metrorail system. There are many trails like the MBT, Capital Crescent, and Anacostia Trail to get you further out into the city and surrounding areas, and many have bike amenities, local restaurants, residences and such nearby. It's not perfect- we are fighting hard to get bike lanes put on some major roads that really need it. But I'd say DC is the most comfortable major US city to bike in.

  • @Giithiomi
    @Giithiomi 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Roundabout driving rule is simple: Give way to cars driving from your left

  • @iksnirkS
    @iksnirkS 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    jan gehl and jeff speck?? damn I had no idea all the urban titans were involved in this. love mr fietser too

  • @annabelholland
    @annabelholland 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Carmel is the new Milton Keynes. The UK city (which officially attained that status in 2022) with almost no traffic lights. I live near Keynes to the point I practiced roundabouts there for my driving.

  • @danmcclaren5436
    @danmcclaren5436 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    hopefully Carmel goes viral and everyone start moving there. The first american Paris

  • @MattZaycYT
    @MattZaycYT 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So pretty and so pleasant! Carmel did the right thing.

  • @thomashughes_teh
    @thomashughes_teh 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I cycle commuted to there for work in the 1980's from Indianapolis when Rangeline Road was a pencil thin 50mph in a 40mph speed limit gamble. Keystone and Meridian were also heart pounding gauntlets of horns, cuss words, debris filled fractured shoulders and getting passed by cars within inches. Now I have been known to drive my bicycle to there just to ride around in Southern Hamilton County.

  • @jayandreas1131
    @jayandreas1131 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Very Europey vibe. Looks great.

  • @ChicaFoo
    @ChicaFoo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I wish the rest of the us was like this