Nice to hear our American retro brothers mention Retro Man Cave's Neil (or RMC as he rebranded the cave) so much respect for you guys and Neil. I reconnected my childhood C64 again and to be quite honest had a bit of a struggle to connect it to my HD TV but as soon as it was working and I heard the SID chip playing Monty mole I nearly fell on the floor. WOW. Big shout out to all you guys and girls in the retro community. Keep the faith
Hey CJ thanks for reminding me I've now subbed to RMC. Being English it is interesting to see RMC reaching across the Atlantic. The sheer joy of TH-cam is that it can bring me (here in the UK) in contact with US & Canadian retro brothers and vice versa, thus transcending geographical and natural boundaries. I have to say I am quite envious of these great meets available to the great American public although I am off to a synthesizer meet Synthfest UK with a couple of thousand people next Sat Oct 8th, and maybe there'll be some SID chip modular gear.Thanks again and I wish you hours and hours of fun with your C64! Take care.
Watching with great anticipation. Since Davids recent video I kept finding last years panel on yt. I love how the panel doubled for this year. Highly appreciated. Highly inspiring. Thanks. Ps. I'm also one of the really crazy LEGO nerds 😅
0:46 - Wow, Adrian got a huge roar :) 1:07:42 - I had a similar feeling, I saw a demo of a game at a friend's place that looked similar to another game but I just couldn't find it. The image of this game lived very vividly in my mind for 20(!) years and somehow I finally found it and I was so relieved that it actually exists and not just a smeared memory, a combination of feelings and images of other games. The game I was looking for was called Genocide, it's a clone of Abuse, a side scrolling game where you free aim with the mouse. It was build on Abuse's engine, looked very similar but I remembered key differences and when I finally found that game I had this triumphant feeling that "yes, I remembered right, I was not wrong on the details!" :) I hate the feeling of retro regret... I got a PlayStation One and I thought it would be fun to make a clock out of it, using the face buttons as 12, 3, 6 and 9 hour markers with holes drilled in the lid, made another hole through the back and through the motherboard to be able to hang it. My regret was that I didn't even try the machine, it was probably still working but I wanted to make this "art piece"... I don't even remember if it had a laser head... That's my biggest regret because these laser heads are dying left and right and you can't get a working replacement, aliexpress is full of scams, they sell broken parts or they won't even arrive. I feel like that's the reason I keep trying to save old broken tech because I want to right my wrong...
It's not everyday you see the Royalty sat on one bench together. Great to see you all together. Shout out to nybbles and bytes June. She has helped me to understand the 6502 assembly code on the commodore machines more than any other TH-cam channel. Thank you June.
@@8_Bit yeah, I was the guy with the NES keyboard thing and I was massively surprised when I realized the grizzly bear that had been wandering around my area was Robin. I myself had this impression of an older gentleman. And then I was too shy to say hey. But I was thrilled when you came by and grabbed footage of my silly machine!
What Adrian, Ben, and all were saying about starting on less sentimental items is good advice. I've just been playing around with repair for a year, and still trying to go through a closet full of more common items before I get brave enough to refurb my Amiga 1000.
liked 8bit show and tell's response to "will there be network kit retro", conveying your passion and interest is the differentiator from all the youtubers - can you share your excitement in a way thats not too annoying (for me) and not too boring (for me) and you are interested in things (the same as me) and can introduce me to new things. For example, Jan Beta normally repairs old tech (atari/c64/oscilators/etc) recently repaired an electric guitar, fascinating because he was able to explain the process and technology and his repair in the same way. Also washingmachine nerds ftw
Love these panels! The guy who designed the apple with the grounded rf shielding probably does't dare to comment to one of Adrians videos, cause he's to embarrassed :D
I think he visited the festival but didn’t have a table. Might be the panel was only participants? It would have been cool to have him and a few other TH-camrs up there.
I totally disagree about capacitors being the most likely failure. It depends a lot on when it was made, but chips are far more likely to have failed. My oldest computers, pre 1980, still have perfect caps but have had many chip failures. Even post 1980 machines that did have leaking caps, also had bad chips. Those vintage chips had many manufacturing problems and were not made to last.
Excellent panel (and host), need more of these guys together!! Also thoroughly enjoyed Ben's seemingly slightly drunken exasperation at the Mac Color Classic. And shout out to Robin for having 8 kids and still having hair left - I have one and pulled all my hair out already.
Here's some unsolicited advice to Networking Guy, or anyone else that might be putting out feelers about whether they should create content: You don't need anyone's permission to post videos about what you think is interesting. Put it out there, see what happens. It might never blow up, but who cares? Don't compare yourself to the big channels, just do what you're passionate about. If it gains traction, great. If it doesn't, nothing lost but some time tinkering around with a hobby you were going to spend time on anyway, right? There's really no way to fail, unless you're only in it for the fame.
Wow the 8-Bit Guy was kind of a jerk about the networking equipment. I get it, network equipment to an individual probably isn't that exciting. Imaging making a small museum of it like "look mum no computer" did with a telephone exchange. I would love it! I'm glad the other panelist stepped in and supported this person's passion.
I think David felt pretty uncomfortable when answering the repair-question, as he screwed up a an IBM 7496 Executive Workstation in 2020 and the community wasn't pleased about it.
54:02 speaking about young people in the hobby is important as my experience getting into this hobby at 14 a few years back was purely coincidental when I visited this arcade and got hooked. Now I’m 18 with a ibm 1800 mainframe and multiple 70s minicomputers among other things which I never would have seen growing up or have any first hand experience with just makes me happy
Clicked on the thumbnail thinking, who ae these people? Then I realised I know every one of them. You've actually got Ben, Adrian & Dave in the same room, WOAW!!! Thank you for posting this!
They may be (wrongly perceived as) nerds or geeks, but if their interaction, their preparedness to listen and respond on topic, their way with words and clear explanations, their wit and humanity, their humility and their demeanour is anything to go by, then I would dearly wish the world to have a lot more of them. And although the interviewer is incredibly good at impersonating a half full sack of potatoes, his approach to the whole thing, his open mind and again his willingness to truly listen, only interjecting when it suits the whole, is an example of how to truly conduct a good interview. Kudos to all of them!
There are many women into retro tech! But you have to remember that this panel is not representative of that; the panel members were chosen for various reasons, such as who was physically present at the show, and how much experience they've had (both with the hobby, and with operating their hobby on youtube).
I usually groan when it's audience question time at live events, because the questions are usually stupid and cringeworthy 😝 But thankfully this was an excellent set of questions with a great host to gel everything together 👍 Can I suggest a second camera pointing at the audience next time so that we can actually see the audience and their reactions.
Old Network Gear is kind of Like Fossils, thinking forward to when these relics will explain things to future generations is interesting. But is it the device, or how it works that is the more interesting thing. Assisting a Dialup device like a ReplyTV or Computer running BBS software by simulating or replicating a Dialup Exchange, or a DSLAM with ADSL connection.
About the split ground on the Apple Color Classic: It's actually not uncommon to have split grounds for low-noise (usually analog audio and video) circuits. The point is that you'll bring all the system grounds to ONE PLACE, so they're all referenced to as close to the same 0V potential as possible. Using the shielding for that star-ground point is a rather clever way to do it, since there's literally no larger conductor anywhere in the computer, which means it will have the lowest possible impedance. Think of it this way: Your car's chassis is almost always a big conductor for the negative terminal on the battery. Exceptions: Positive ground systems, and HV EV batteries, which are floating by design.
I've seen (as a movie fan) a huge uptick in interest in 80's-era movies and of course with Stranger Things there seems to be a resurgence in using 80's computers as props for these shows and newly made movies set in the 80's.
Can you elaborate? For example, would you have preferred all six panel members but two shorter sessions, or two different sessions with only three members each? Pros and cons of each? We're always looking for ways to improve the panels/talks, and the show itself, so suggestions are welcome.
@@JimLeonard the commenter here has an interesting perspective. Last year's panel was three as I recall, and it was great. This year's panel had many more than three, but it was also great! I was curious to see how the larger panel would work out, but personally feel that both sized panels have their own charm!
Really nice to see Robin (8-bit Show & Tell) up on stage. Been a long time fav of mine. Bravo to VCF getting all the big names up there this year. Fun watch!
Almost retro-regret. I almost threw away my Amiga500 and Atari 800xl. I found them in boxes during Covid while painting my home, tested them and they didn't work. I was planning to take them to an electronic recycling dumpster but the youtube channels of these gentlemen convinced me to unearth my soldering station and have a go. Two years later and I am a proud owner of 12 retro machines.
TH-cam recommended this to mey and I genuinely enjoyed this. I already follow most of these TH-camrs, which helps, but seeing them together is something else.
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Really enjoyed watching this panel, thanks to everyone involved
@@ctrlaltrees oh no
@@DaveVelociraptor What do we need to do to get Neil on next year's panel? 😁
@@ctrlaltrees extradition
Nice that you got name dropped Neil! Can we have an RMC Goes to USA special next year?
@@londongaz2 Yes please - Neil you need to find a way to make it next year!
Adrian and Ben have such complementary chaotic energy, i like that.
He was a bad influence on me!! LOL
@@adriansdigitalbasement2 Did you share a room?
Oh hi 👋🏻
@@adriansdigitalbasement2 Just blame it on the Malort!
They are like those noisy kids in the back of the classroom
Ben and Adrian show these panels need a two-drink minimum.
50:07 I see Ben Heck trying hard to stay quiet and not saying the billion things that come to his mind
Nice to hear our American retro brothers mention Retro Man Cave's Neil (or RMC as he rebranded the cave) so much respect for you guys and Neil. I reconnected my childhood C64 again and to be quite honest had a bit of a struggle to connect it to my HD TV but as soon as it was working and I heard the SID chip playing Monty mole I nearly fell on the floor. WOW. Big shout out to all you guys and girls in the retro community. Keep the faith
Hey CJ thanks for reminding me I've now subbed to RMC. Being English it is interesting to see RMC reaching across the Atlantic. The sheer joy of TH-cam is that it can bring me (here in the UK) in contact with US & Canadian retro brothers and vice versa, thus transcending geographical and natural boundaries. I have to say I am quite envious of these great meets available to the great American public although I am off to a synthesizer meet Synthfest UK with a couple of thousand people next Sat Oct 8th, and maybe there'll be some SID chip modular gear.Thanks again and I wish you hours and hours of fun with your C64! Take care.
I too thought it was awesome to hear RMC mentioned. Shame Neil couldnt be here too. Lots of Royalty on that stage.
Latter day TH-camr to add to this panel would be the Usagi Electric guy. He's doing amazing things. But this was a great panel!
Why does the opening shot look like DaVinci's last supper? LOL
Watching with great anticipation. Since Davids recent video I kept finding last years panel on yt. I love how the panel doubled for this year. Highly appreciated. Highly inspiring. Thanks. Ps. I'm also one of the really crazy LEGO nerds 😅
0:46 - Wow, Adrian got a huge roar :)
1:07:42 - I had a similar feeling, I saw a demo of a game at a friend's place that looked similar to another game but I just couldn't find it. The image of this game lived very vividly in my mind for 20(!) years and somehow I finally found it and I was so relieved that it actually exists and not just a smeared memory, a combination of feelings and images of other games. The game I was looking for was called Genocide, it's a clone of Abuse, a side scrolling game where you free aim with the mouse. It was build on Abuse's engine, looked very similar but I remembered key differences and when I finally found that game I had this triumphant feeling that "yes, I remembered right, I was not wrong on the details!" :)
I hate the feeling of retro regret... I got a PlayStation One and I thought it would be fun to make a clock out of it, using the face buttons as 12, 3, 6 and 9 hour markers with holes drilled in the lid, made another hole through the back and through the motherboard to be able to hang it. My regret was that I didn't even try the machine, it was probably still working but I wanted to make this "art piece"... I don't even remember if it had a laser head... That's my biggest regret because these laser heads are dying left and right and you can't get a working replacement, aliexpress is full of scams, they sell broken parts or they won't even arrive. I feel like that's the reason I keep trying to save old broken tech because I want to right my wrong...
It's not everyday you see the Royalty sat on one bench together. Great to see you all together. Shout out to nybbles and bytes June. She has helped me to understand the 6502 assembly code on the commodore machines more than any other TH-cam channel. Thank you June.
Very awesome to see several of my favorite retro tech TH-camrs together in one place!
I was waiting for the last few days to see this panel, as I was really curious how Robin talks in person 🙂 I always imagined him as a much older guy
Robin showed his face in several videos; "A Very Commodore 64 Christmas Special" was one of those.
He has eight kids, so he's about 105 in parent years.
@@jamesdye4603 I just did the math; I'm 136 parent years now.
@@8_Bit yeah, I was the guy with the NES keyboard thing and I was massively surprised when I realized the grizzly bear that had been wandering around my area was Robin. I myself had this impression of an older gentleman.
And then I was too shy to say hey. But I was thrilled when you came by and grabbed footage of my silly machine!
@@TrackZeroFutzin It looks like a neat project! Please do say hi next time, I'd like to meet you and learn more about that NES keyboard thing!
I love Retro-Computing and the people who do it so passionately...
What Adrian, Ben, and all were saying about starting on less sentimental items is good advice. I've just been playing around with repair for a year, and still trying to go through a closet full of more common items before I get brave enough to refurb my Amiga 1000.
liked 8bit show and tell's response to "will there be network kit retro", conveying your passion and interest is the differentiator from all the youtubers - can you share your excitement in a way thats not too annoying (for me) and not too boring (for me) and you are interested in things (the same as me) and can introduce me to new things. For example, Jan Beta normally repairs old tech (atari/c64/oscilators/etc) recently repaired an electric guitar, fascinating because he was able to explain the process and technology and his repair in the same way.
Also washingmachine nerds ftw
Love these panels! The guy who designed the apple with the grounded rf shielding probably does't dare to comment to one of Adrians videos, cause he's to embarrassed :D
Actually surprised that Technology Connections wasn’t on the panel. He’s basically local to the con.
Too young and too much hair.
@@PhantomHarlock78 Also they would need to get two, but cloning adult humans isn’t something that exists.
He can't ad-lib; he needs a script.
I think he visited the festival but didn’t have a table. Might be the panel was only participants?
It would have been cool to have him and a few other TH-camrs up there.
I didn’t realize Adrian didn’t have a table! There guess that guess.
I totally disagree about capacitors being the most likely failure. It depends a lot on when it was made, but chips are far more likely to have failed.
My oldest computers, pre 1980, still have perfect caps but have had many chip failures.
Even post 1980 machines that did have leaking caps, also had bad chips. Those vintage chips had many manufacturing problems and were not made to last.
For early 80s and before, sure. Since then? Nope. :-) It's definitely the caps after about 1988.
Excellent panel (and host), need more of these guys together!! Also thoroughly enjoyed Ben's seemingly slightly drunken exasperation at the Mac Color Classic. And shout out to Robin for having 8 kids and still having hair left - I have one and pulled all my hair out already.
If that guy asking about the Network equipment starts a channel I'd like a link.
Yeah I'd like to watch it too.
Here's some unsolicited advice to Networking Guy, or anyone else that might be putting out feelers about whether they should create content:
You don't need anyone's permission to post videos about what you think is interesting.
Put it out there, see what happens. It might never blow up, but who cares? Don't compare yourself to the big channels, just do what you're passionate about. If it gains traction, great. If it doesn't, nothing lost but some time tinkering around with a hobby you were going to spend time on anyway, right? There's really no way to fail, unless you're only in it for the fame.
Wow the 8-Bit Guy was kind of a jerk about the networking equipment. I get it, network equipment to an individual probably isn't that exciting. Imaging making a small museum of it like "look mum no computer" did with a telephone exchange. I would love it! I'm glad the other panelist stepped in and supported this person's passion.
I get bad vibes off The 8-bit Guy in general, whenever he's not in his own videos. Once I realized that I stopped watching his channel.
Thank you for putting this up. I was planning on attending this year but there was too much going on to make the trip up to Chicago.
38:35 @LGR, I live in Asheville. Could do a craft bear and vintage museum. Just an idea ;-)
Really enjoyed getting the behind the scenes look with these guys.
I'm glad you guys were able to post this. I wanted to watch but the room was crammed full haha
Adrian is charming
I think David felt pretty uncomfortable when answering the repair-question, as he screwed up a an IBM 7496 Executive Workstation in 2020 and the community wasn't pleased about it.
That was a fun panel! Glad I was able to witness it once again. :)
We were glad to see you attend!
I love every one of these youtubers. such excellent channels.
In Havre de Grace Maryland there is a duck decoy museum. That's the wierdest one except the Cryptologic Museum near NSA.
Upper Bay Museum as I recall! I've been there!
54:02 speaking about young people in the hobby is important as my experience getting into this hobby at 14 a few years back was purely coincidental when I visited this arcade and got hooked. Now I’m 18 with a ibm 1800 mainframe and multiple 70s minicomputers among other things which I never would have seen growing up or have any first hand experience with just makes me happy
Clicked on the thumbnail thinking, who ae these people? Then I realised I know every one of them. You've actually got Ben, Adrian & Dave in the same room, WOAW!!! Thank you for posting this!
They may be (wrongly perceived as) nerds or geeks, but if their interaction, their preparedness to listen and respond on topic, their way with words and clear explanations, their wit and humanity, their humility and their demeanour is anything to go by, then I would dearly wish the world to have a lot more of them. And although the interviewer is incredibly good at impersonating a half full sack of potatoes, his approach to the whole thing, his open mind and again his willingness to truly listen, only interjecting when it suits the whole, is an example of how to truly conduct a good interview. Kudos to all of them!
Is there really not a single woman in retro tech?
There are many women into retro tech! But you have to remember that this panel is not representative of that; the panel members were chosen for various reasons, such as who was physically present at the show, and how much experience they've had (both with the hobby, and with operating their hobby on youtube).
The amount of hours I've spent watching these guys' videos combined is a bit worrying, haha. Great panel!
Nerd… get a real job, get a real car, get a girl that isn’t a porker
I usually groan when it's audience question time at live events, because the questions are usually stupid and cringeworthy 😝 But thankfully this was an excellent set of questions with a great host to gel everything together 👍
Can I suggest a second camera pointing at the audience next time so that we can actually see the audience and their reactions.
So this is the first time I've heard of Ben Heck, and I already love this guy. I love the energy he gives off.
I guess you're on the younger side, he was very well known in gaming circles long time ago already.
Most of his yt videos were under the channel element14, the rest benheckhacks if you want to dive deeper
Jim did a great job as host! Excellent panel!
Jim was awesome!
Old Network Gear is kind of Like Fossils, thinking forward to when these relics will explain things to future generations is interesting. But is it the device, or how it works that is the more interesting thing. Assisting a Dialup device like a ReplyTV or Computer running BBS software by simulating or replicating a Dialup Exchange, or a DSLAM with ADSL connection.
Where is cathode Ray dude when you need him!
I love all of these guys!!!! the DREAM TEAM!
47:02 is the Gods punishing Adrian for his habitual RF shield desecration, sacrilege and blasphemy.
I kinda wish Fran Blanche was here...
Paperclip Guy seems like he doesn't want to be there.
I wonder if The 8-Bit Guy has any passion left in his life.
What makes you think he doesn't?
Right?
He just gives off unpleasant vibes whenever he's going unscripted
"Doctor's learn on cadavers". Very true. Also pretty funny
Good panel discussion. Very enjoyable.
1:06:00 "You are right I don't have it. I just thought that was the only way you would talk to me...." Ohhh people GET A FRIEND... that's sad.
Hey, Robin!
So nice to see Robin, what a handsome guy!
About the split ground on the Apple Color Classic: It's actually not uncommon to have split grounds for low-noise (usually analog audio and video) circuits. The point is that you'll bring all the system grounds to ONE PLACE, so they're all referenced to as close to the same 0V potential as possible. Using the shielding for that star-ground point is a rather clever way to do it, since there's literally no larger conductor anywhere in the computer, which means it will have the lowest possible impedance.
Think of it this way: Your car's chassis is almost always a big conductor for the negative terminal on the battery. Exceptions: Positive ground systems, and HV EV batteries, which are floating by design.
Just subscribed after watching LGR's video. It's so great to see all these great guys in a roundtable.
Thanks for using a solid table cloth. The previous year 8-bit Guy's feet were too distracting.
#Retroregrets One Amiga 1000, one Amiga 2000 with PC emulator, two Amiga 1200s, a CD32, one Amiga 600.
For me, one Mac 512K... :(
I didn't find out about this retro conference until it was too late.. Thanks for putting out the video VCF.
Really fascinating q+a, thanks for sharing
I've seen (as a movie fan) a huge uptick in interest in 80's-era movies and of course with Stranger Things there seems to be a resurgence in using 80's computers as props for these shows and newly made movies set in the 80's.
If you get Technology Connections' arse out there next year, make sure you get the rest of him as well! ;-)
55:50 "I love them all" yeah... slightly important. Good thing, yes. XD
I prefer non scripted repair videos like Adrian's digital basement
Why does the thumbnail look like a modern day rendition of the last supper? 😂🤣😅
Adrian Black - Legend! 💯
Like one of the guys mentioned here I remember when I went through and trashed all my game boxes becasue I need the room!!!
Nice to see @TechnologyConnections get a shoutout and applause
I could listen to these guys talk for hours
If you watch enough of their videos, you actually do! 😊
Excellent stuff again, always great to hear from the TH-cam elders 😉
I really need to make it out there one of these years!
Definitely!! Would be great to see you there!!
With all due respect, I feel less is more. It should've been done in two separate panels.
Can you elaborate? For example, would you have preferred all six panel members but two shorter sessions, or two different sessions with only three members each? Pros and cons of each? We're always looking for ways to improve the panels/talks, and the show itself, so suggestions are welcome.
@@JimLeonard the commenter here has an interesting perspective. Last year's panel was three as I recall, and it was great. This year's panel had many more than three, but it was also great! I was curious to see how the larger panel would work out, but personally feel that both sized panels have their own charm!
These dudes need to do a huge real lan party video. Something tells me clint would stomp in some unreal tournament.
Really nice to see Robin (8-bit Show & Tell) up on stage. Been a long time fav of mine. Bravo to VCF getting all the big names up there this year. Fun watch!
I got rid of a VIC-20 in 1992. Man, I regret that now.
I wish Techmoan would join this
They were wise to add space between Ben and the 8Bitguy
IS it just me or does 8 Bit guy look like he does not want to be there?
Ben Heck is a living legend
Dobre Ziomki
Adrian was a bit restless 😁😆😅
hope ben does his dave impression lol olo
Love this....I would love to bring a bunch of vintage laptop gear someday....I have been in to computers sense I was old enough to know what one was..
You could create a "Last Supper"-like table if you collect even more retro tech youtubers next year! ;-)
For example Noel from Noel's Retro Lab...
No one asking: What's the most rare computer that you broke?
Almost retro-regret. I almost threw away my Amiga500 and Atari 800xl. I found them in boxes during Covid while painting my home, tested them and they didn't work. I was planning to take them to an electronic recycling dumpster but the youtube channels of these gentlemen convinced me to unearth my soldering station and have a go. Two years later and I am a proud owner of 12 retro machines.
Fun panel! Thanks for posting it.
Everybody needs an introduction. I didn’t know half of those people.
I remember the video where David opens the Commodore Max, he was properly shocked. Was an amazing reaction.
Excellent panel, fellas!! Thank you for the laughs and insights! Great work and thanks for the nostalgia! So many stories similar to my own!
22:00 David must be talking about EDS - Electronic Discount Sales.
I knew that store well 😁
TH-cam recommended this to mey and I genuinely enjoyed this. I already follow most of these TH-camrs, which helps, but seeing them together is something else.
All legends in one room. I did miss a couple of questions as I was watching Adrian & Ben.
I only know LGR,
Incrediblr!
Heck yeah
Ben heck yeah?
@@mikechan5601 Oh yeah
Side note, but I love this aspect ratio. Fills my screen perfectly!
Very nice 👍
Cool panel
What a superstar panel!
Great panel. Thanks!
Forgive my ignorance. I know who everyone on this panel is EXCEPT the guy between David and Clint. Who is he?
That would be Ken from Computer Clan!
Ken from Computer Clan.
@@8_Bit thank you sir! I’m always looking for new things to watch and loveeee retro tech so I was surprised I wasn’t familiar with him.
@@SnipE_mS I'm sure you'll have fun : D
And thanks Chris and Robin for plugging me!
50:46 This guy clearly hasn't seen any of Rob's videos.
id be lots of fun discussing this in the terms of "jean baudrillards" "systems of objects" topic.