Smooth background sounds and production. Pretty superficial reporting. Not a lot of technical information here. Not this isn’t the worst report but, frankly, boring!
Stop giving boeing govt contracts. They've been milking the cow for decades and people only realize how bad it has gotten now that a real competitive company is in the mix.
@@KendallSeabury They don't deserve any more contracts at this point, even if its a win win for NASA. And frankly, it isn't a win win when your astronauts get stuck in space because the agency decided to keep working with an unreliable Boeing
@Dr.Kraig_RenThat is likely what happened. They were over budget with lots of delays which seems to be the reason for why they wanted to launch the crewed Starliner even after they found many safety issues with the capsule.
Boeing didn't have great leadership in upper management and people were running away More than one Boeing whistleblower died before testifying and that seems suspicious
That's not true. While you could say, many of the best want to work at SpaceX, the major problem of Boeing is politics. Its all about DEI and lack of ambition and working culture. SpaceX is "WAR" machine when it comes to fast development and trying crazy new things
The actual issues are likely on the upper management, even though Musk is a horrible boss to have he is mostly busy liking racist tweets so he doesn't seem have much time to ruin things at SpaceX. (Compared to the upper management of Boeing who seems to have intentionally ignored/moved on from fixing problems in their spacecraft due to cost overruns and delays which is probably one of the main reasons why they launched it with this many safety issues.)
@@tadmvmbno they’re correct: before Both SpaceX and Boeing got the contract, Congress only wanted one provider: they wanted Boeing because of its legacy and supposed experience and a lot of lobbying. Thankfully NASA went with two providers
even more proof that they're right: boeing was paid double the amount spacex did. Yet SpaceX did it faster, for cheaper, and boeing went well over their budget. SpaceX was the backup when the contracts were made
When Space X goes to pick them up, they should bring the Boeing CEO & a couple other Boeing Executives so they can "safely" fly back on Starliner to prove to us it was safe.
There are two space companies, both from the *same country,* both were asked to make a spacecaft, one made it cheap and prefect without delays, the other one made it expensive and defected with delays, how? and why?
@@ZiggyMercury nothing is perfect, but Spacex has the edge. Their falcon9 launch system has the record for consecutive successful launches and the dragon2 capsule has completed many missions (including 10 crewed missions).
@@MrMleewilson Read this section from Wikipedia "Musk was born in Pretoria, South Africa, to Maye (née Haldeman), a model, and Errol Musk, a businessman and engineer." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk
@@MrMleewilson Read this section from Wikipedia "Musk was born in Pretoria, South Africa, to Maye (née Haldeman), a model, and Errol Musk, a businessman and engineer." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk
@@MrMleewilsonwatch his interviews, he definitely knows an extensive amount about the design of Space X rockets at the very least. It’s clear he’s not reading off a script cuz he can answer advanced technical questions while looking at away from the camera (away from any potential teleprompters)
i was just talking to a friend about this and literally said "there's no way Boeing will return on a Space X craft, unless they had to". looks like they had to. unbelievable they didn't have a backup plan.
This smells a bit like the Columbia disaster of 20023, and it seems to me that NASA has decided - and I salute them for it - not to take the same risks they took with Columbia (especially since they don't have to): with Columbia, there were people inside NASA who warned that the foam strike seen shortly after take off may be detrimental, but the higher-ups in NASA didn't do anything about it. Turns out the foam strike was, indeed, detrimental, and Columbia's crew burned to death upon re-entry. Now, the only "saving grace" for NASA's management from 2003 is that their ability to do something about it (if they decided not to ignore the foam strike) was very limited at best, and non-existent at worst. This time it's different, and I'm glad that NASA doesn't just choose to roll the dice with the lives of these two astronauts.
Is way different, main issue here is lack of pressure in the engines, which isn't really a big deal, but can have a catastrophic result, Columbia was kinda unavoidable, it was an accident and once you launch the shuttle there is no abort. Starliner have a lot of ways to solve this issue, Nasa decided to do the safest thing and return unmanned, but the most likely scenario is that the capsule performs the reentry without issues, since they already "fixed" many of the issues with the thrusters.
@@evanfinch4987 It is quite similar to Columbia. However in this case, NASA has learnt from the mistakes of Challenger and Columbia, and have urged engineers to come forward with their opinions. The engineers thought that it would be unsafe - so NASA is following that advice.
They didn't burn up. That would have been better. They survived the breakup, and died when the cabin hit the water. There was a plan to make the cabin much like a fighter cockpit (ejection) in an emergency, with parachutes to bring it down safely. Due to additional (weight and cost) required for such a system, it was rejected. Sad but true, they were alive until they hit the water. All the astronauts were recovered.
This might aught to be the final nail in Boeing’s coffin. Boeing has lost its credibility and reputation for safety and reliability. At the same time, we all became aware of its executives’ culture of grift and short term thinking. Should the company be trusted as a government supplier of any product, let alone aerospace and defence? Perhaps it’s time to break Boeing up into smaller companies, to distribute management and accountability, before one more person dies as a result of Boeing’s endemic incompetence and negligence?
Michael Massimino is a former astronaut too. A lot of these older retired astronauts are real oldspace promoters, pretty set in their ways. It's different with active duty astronauts from what I've read.
@@WinterXR7 What do you propose? That NASA says goodbye to 4 billion or whatever they gave them and ask a new company to start from scratch. That would take another decade.
and because of that, the russians are angry that the "American broomstick" is saving NASA! Roscosmos is in the dumps right now and they're close to failing because of Spacex
Yeah that's the crux of the issue all the Musk-haters conveniently ignore. If it weren't for SpaceX, we'd still be hitchhiking on Soyuz capsules, directly financing the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
The people on the top that got away with destroying Boeing need to be held accountable. Anything short of jail is not accountability. They need to go to jail.
you do realize, the problem is *us* , right? Because the shareholders, the ones that Boeing CEOs must prostrate themselves, legally, fiduciary, before the altar of, are ourselves? Our retirement and investment funds?
Astronauts know there’s risk, but I can’t imagine being in the Gilligan’s Island situation. 8 day trip turns into 8 months. Takes a lot of mental toughness.
@@joshuawarrington9417 You have to ignore reality to make this worldview work. If hiring smart people were the unusual variable at spacex, every other space startup would be doing well.
"Boeing says it's ready to go" astronauts turn and look at each other with concerned looks "I can't believe I'm saying this, but can someone call Elon?"
SpaceX ftw! This is what happens when you have company not bogged down with bureaucracy and red tape, they are actually able to deliver on their product! SpaceX, Blue Origin, Sierra Space, Rocket Lab and others like them will be the future of space exploration.
Great summary of the history and issues along the way. Next up is Starliner’s uncrewed return. There will be significant learning from that event to help inform what changes are needed to improve Starliner before another crewed mission to ISS.
To have competition between the 2. If you have competition, ideally they will fight each other to improve and create the best product. That's how it is supposed to work. But, clearly, SpaceX just has better talent and resources. They should've chosen a different competitor like Blue Origin
I have an MBA myself but after looking at how SpaceX works, I’m convinced the real issue with Boeing is that pandering to shareholders dividends means taking a safety approach over risk taking every time. Safety is indeed critical but there’s a whole science behind risk management that delivers top not safety as SpaceX shows which allows them to continue innovative approaches to greater services. Boeing could never have dared to design and incorporate a transparent dome over their Calypso spacecraft the way SpaceX did for the Dragon capsule!
If we step back and look at the situation. I am not sure there has ever occurred a situation with US astronauts that a US crew vehicle has had a issue in orbit and NASA has a completely different US crewed vehicle available to return that crew. Just shows you how much crewed spaceflight has changed in the last decade+.
I've been thinking along those lines for a couple weeks now... I'm guessing they'd have to wash the ones they've got, but the opportunities to do so on board the ISS are limited, to say the least...
@@haiscore2614Makes sense, but the US might need an backup just in case if there would be an issue with the Crew Dragon capsule at a time where it might not be an good idea to ask Russia for a Soyuz flight. (Probably the worst case scenario) The biggest issue however comes from people who doesn't know much about SpaceX or people who hate them in spite of Musk. (Because they're not capable of realizing that those two are not synonyms)
Boeing were given 5 billion to make starliner, Musk was given 1.5 billion for Dragon. and have done a 20x better product. Up with startups, down with big defence companies.
Your figures are off and not by a little. Space X was awarded 2.6 billion to design and build Dragon. Boeing was awarded 4.2 billion to design and build Starliner. Boeing also spent at least 1.4 billion more to get Starliner flight worthy and still couldn't get it right. The engineering culture at Boeing has apparently suffered because of poor management oversight.
Boeing taking nothing but L the last several years. If it was my life I would definitely take space x over Boeing. It sure seems like Boeing has lost its way. Maybe to many cooks in the kitchen or too many different projects at once. Civilian Planes, military contracts, and space.
@@TomNook. Bloat would be too much at one time. Maybe they should try making their airplanes perfect , instead of twenty different things at once. Why do you even feel the need to pick at what I said, I really don't understand. When we both agree they're doing a horrible job.
Well, to be fair, NASA is beholden to Congress for all of its' funding. Ruffling too many feathers, too early in the game, would not be a wise decision.
NASA was already privately coordinating with SpaceX (and other stakeholders) on planning this out months ago. This was just the final decision that was made and announced. It's not like they are only now starting to shuffle the Crew Dragon missions around. It also took time to gather data (e.g. the White Sands thruster tests) before the data came back and it helped them make the decision. They knew they had time to gather the data because the astronauts aren't really in any danger and don't need to be "rescued" ASAP. It's also not like they are begging SpaceX to send a spacecraft to help them anyway. SpaceX already has a Crew Dragon on the schedule to deliver 4 astronauts and goods to the ISS. NASA is the customer of that and gets to ask for change in the manifest, so they are pulling 2 NASA astronauts off that trip to give room for the 2 astronauts they need to take home but those are missions that NASA is already paying for to begin with.
Crew Dragon is way better than Soyuz. But yeah, obviously Soyuz is a thousand times better than Starliner right now. All of that said, NASA and Roscosmos haven't really broken up. They're still doing seat swaps.
“We’re in a kind of a new situation here and that we’ve got multiple options,” said Ken Bowersox, associate administrator for NASA’s Space Operations Mission Directorate, on August 7. “That’s something that we’re going to have to deal with in the future - we could find ourselves in a situation where we need to bring a (SpaceX) Dragon crew or a (Russian) Soyuz crew back on a Starliner." Wow....... Boeing have failed miserably with their first proper Starliner flight but NASA are pointing out how the same company will be out there rescuing SpaceX or Russian crews.
Hello?? Boeing has been involved with developing rockets to space for 50 + years, they didn't just "hop onto space". It is their management structure that has broken down ever since the Boeing/McDonald Douglas merger and engineering has suffered.
Read more about NASA’s decision to use SpaceX instead of Boeing here: on.wsj.com/3MnqZ6o
Smooth background sounds and production. Pretty superficial reporting. Not a lot of technical information here. Not this isn’t the worst report but, frankly, boring!
Boeing announces StarLiner Max.
But, does it come with MCAS?
😂😂😂😂
@@allancopland1768 instead of causing it to crash into the ground, the starliner mcas causes your plane to burn up in the atmosphere
Much cleaner
😂😂😂
SpaceX did it for ~2 bn $. Boeing took ~4 bn $, delayed it and still failed. SpaceX is really on another level.
If that is true, there has to be an investigation on both side.
@@keselekbakiak Even if the Starliner hadn’t any problem it cost 90m$/seat almost the double of the Space X crew dragon (55m)
management was trash. Starts from the top
@@keselekbakiak Not just an investigation, there needs to be a clawback.
Boeing is quite frankly a clown act.
Boeing is now a symbol of embarrassment and failure
Only for American industry and work culture.
Did you see the 737 MAX? this was inevitable
@@dantetre No, us Europeans see it too. Boeing looks bad.
@@dantetre American *_CEO_* work culture
made in USA 🇺🇸 USA🇺🇸 🦅
Stop giving boeing govt contracts. They've been milking the cow for decades and people only realize how bad it has gotten now that a real competitive company is in the mix.
Actually the contract with NASA is if they go over the budget then Boeing is footing the bill for any cost over runs. its a win win for NASA.
@@KendallSeabury They don't deserve any more contracts at this point, even if its a win win for NASA. And frankly, it isn't a win win when your astronauts get stuck in space because the agency decided to keep working with an unreliable Boeing
@Dr.Kraig_Renno, that is not how it works, Doctor… 🙄
@@KendallSeaburyactually the contact Boeing won gave them much more money than spaceX got. For the same deliverables. Boeing robbed nasa blind.
@Dr.Kraig_RenThat is likely what happened. They were over budget with lots of delays which seems to be the reason for why they wanted to launch the crewed Starliner even after they found many safety issues with the capsule.
This is what happens when you let a bunch of MBAs run an engineering company instead of engineers.
We call them MBAs "BEAN COINTERS" in the industry, they killed most of the R&D work to save money and kill all innovations.
Sorry I meant "BEAN COUNTERS"
So True!
Another attack of "The smartest people in the room". They always start out with flawed premise.
Cherry on top: Gone woke
If Boeing CEO salary wasnt 33 million dollars (45% increase from last year) maybe they would had money on sealing those pipes properly xD
Well he’s not the ceo anymore and no whether he takes 1 dollar for 100 million, really doesn’t make a difference
@@davidajayi1207 It's a symbol. Hybris leads to downfall
Boeing got a governmnet hand out of more than 4 billion, for two astronauts, halfway. SpaceX got two billion for 50 astronauts.
33 mil is nothing compared to budget.
55 billion is.
You do realize Elon Musk is the richest man in the world, no? His pay is far above any Boeing CEO's pay.
When the coach replaces you with someone from the other team. 😂😂😂
So Boeing got humiliated again.!
Sad thing is that company clearly has no sense of shame hence their constant incompetence.
Technically its Aerojet Rocketdyne mistake this time with the thrusters, but Boeing is going to take the heat.
Surprised
2 deadly plane crashes, and now 1 broken space capsule
And Elon keeps winning, you love to see it. TRUMP 2024!!!
This is why you shouldn't allow people who have the background of business & accounting to make decisions on science and technology related things.
Unless you have enough money and power and you can wrangle your government to fund you forever!
business guy went into space news at 9
most engineers can‘t run operations efficiently. they are tools of the masters of the universe - MBAs
@@giacomocasanova2893spoken like a butthurt MBA
The problem is all the good engineers have left Boeing for SpaceX. Boeing needs to start paying more or offer more perks
Boeing didn't have great leadership in upper management and people were running away
More than one Boeing whistleblower died before testifying and that seems suspicious
That's not true. While you could say, many of the best want to work at SpaceX, the major problem of Boeing is politics. Its all about DEI and lack of ambition and working culture. SpaceX is "WAR" machine when it comes to fast development and trying crazy new things
Bingo brother ! this is what I've been saying...and throw in money, power and politics...
Boeing and SpaceX are the same in this case. Both running with Elon.
The actual issues are likely on the upper management, even though Musk is a horrible boss to have he is mostly busy liking racist tweets so he doesn't seem have much time to ruin things at SpaceX.
(Compared to the upper management of Boeing who seems to have intentionally ignored/moved on from fixing problems in their spacecraft due to cost overruns and delays which is probably one of the main reasons why they launched it with this many safety issues.)
SpaceX was considered the "BACKUP" option in the SpaceX vs Boeing race..................
You misinterpreted what he said
They need two companies to back each other up! Any company can have setbacks no matter how good they are
@@tadmvmbno they’re correct: before Both SpaceX and Boeing got the contract, Congress only wanted one provider: they wanted Boeing because of its legacy and supposed experience and a lot of lobbying.
Thankfully NASA went with two providers
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@@clevergirl4457Boeing got complacent, they were so used to failing and still receiving billions in funding.
even more proof that they're right: boeing was paid double the amount spacex did. Yet SpaceX did it faster, for cheaper, and boeing went well over their budget. SpaceX was the backup when the contracts were made
When Space X goes to pick them up, they should bring the Boeing CEO & a couple other Boeing Executives so they can "safely" fly back on Starliner to prove to us it was safe.
Surprised Starliner's door didn't fall off...
Ironically it did fall off before the launch. Boeing just picked it up and put it back on and called it a day. I'm surprised it's still on there.
It hasent fell off BUT the software failure has made it so the door wont let the liner undock 😂
There are two space companies, both from the *same country,* both were asked to make a spacecaft, one made it cheap and prefect without delays, the other one made it expensive and defected with delays, how? and why?
How do you know the one from SpaceX is "perfect"?
@@ZiggyMercury nothing is perfect, but Spacex has the edge.
Their falcon9 launch system has the record for consecutive successful launches and the dragon2 capsule has completed many missions (including 10 crewed missions).
Its been proven many times@@ZiggyMercury
Political kickbacks, corruption.
Arrogance🤷😤
One of the astronauts must have been a whistle blower. 😂
😅😅😅😅
Boeing has a CEO that’s business first minded. SpaceX has a CEO who’s an actual Engineer that has the passion for space.
Yeah I love SpaceX
Musk is not an engineer.
@@MrMleewilson Read this section from Wikipedia
"Musk was born in Pretoria, South Africa, to Maye (née Haldeman), a model, and Errol Musk, a businessman and engineer."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk
@@MrMleewilson Read this section from Wikipedia
"Musk was born in Pretoria, South Africa, to Maye (née Haldeman), a model, and Errol Musk, a businessman and engineer."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk
@@MrMleewilsonwatch his interviews, he definitely knows an extensive amount about the design of Space X rockets at the very least. It’s clear he’s not reading off a script cuz he can answer advanced technical questions while looking at away from the camera (away from any potential teleprompters)
My uncle worked for Boeing as an engineer and left many years ago because the company was not run well. Just putting that out there
It is all over the news. Boeing is not doing well now
He should try to apply for space x or other countries rocket companies.
I left Boeing 12 years ago… bad management
Hopefully he’s somewhere safe and hasn’t spoken out publicly.
@@stachowi SpaceX is growing like crazy, if you want a front row seat into the future you could apply there.
i was just talking to a friend about this and literally said "there's no way Boeing will return on a Space X craft, unless they had to".
looks like they had to. unbelievable they didn't have a backup plan.
SpaceX is the back up plan!!
Unless they were made to
This smells a bit like the Columbia disaster of 20023, and it seems to me that NASA has decided - and I salute them for it - not to take the same risks they took with Columbia (especially since they don't have to): with Columbia, there were people inside NASA who warned that the foam strike seen shortly after take off may be detrimental, but the higher-ups in NASA didn't do anything about it. Turns out the foam strike was, indeed, detrimental, and Columbia's crew burned to death upon re-entry. Now, the only "saving grace" for NASA's management from 2003 is that their ability to do something about it (if they decided not to ignore the foam strike) was very limited at best, and non-existent at worst. This time it's different, and I'm glad that NASA doesn't just choose to roll the dice with the lives of these two astronauts.
Smells nothing like Columbia.
Is way different, main issue here is lack of pressure in the engines, which isn't really a big deal, but can have a catastrophic result, Columbia was kinda unavoidable, it was an accident and once you launch the shuttle there is no abort.
Starliner have a lot of ways to solve this issue, Nasa decided to do the safest thing and return unmanned, but the most likely scenario is that the capsule performs the reentry without issues, since they already "fixed" many of the issues with the thrusters.
@@evanfinch4987 It is quite similar to Columbia. However in this case, NASA has learnt from the mistakes of Challenger and Columbia, and have urged engineers to come forward with their opinions. The engineers thought that it would be unsafe - so NASA is following that advice.
They didn't burn up. That would have been better. They survived the breakup, and died when the cabin hit the water. There was a plan to make the cabin much like a fighter cockpit (ejection) in an emergency, with parachutes to bring it down safely. Due to additional (weight and cost) required for such a system, it was rejected. Sad but true, they were alive until they hit the water. All the astronauts were recovered.
20023!?
This might aught to be the final nail in Boeing’s coffin. Boeing has lost its credibility and reputation for safety and reliability. At the same time, we all became aware of its executives’ culture of grift and short term thinking. Should the company be trusted as a government supplier of any product, let alone aerospace and defence? Perhaps it’s time to break Boeing up into smaller companies, to distribute management and accountability, before one more person dies as a result of Boeing’s endemic incompetence and negligence?
Too big to fail
Well said
Can I have one of those pieces?
@@astrofpv3631 Yeah...Nokia
I suggest naming two of those broken up pieces North American Aviation and McDonnell Douglas. No particular reason.
"Elon Musk please save us we are too incompetent to build a safe capsule!!" - Boeing
Musk is very incompetent. SpaceX got successful because they hired people who are actually competent.
Elon Musk is a socialist that loves dictators.
Just tell Boeing both are whistleblowers, they'll find a way.
Gotta love how the professor says that Boeings failure is really great cause it gives them an opportunity to recover! Wow!
It sure sounds like that professor has a consulting job with Boeing
Failure is great when it’s not the real thing.
same guy will be on tv after a 777X engine pylon falls off in flight "they will bounce right back from this!"
Michael Massimino is a former astronaut too. A lot of these older retired astronauts are real oldspace promoters, pretty set in their ways. It's different with active duty astronauts from what I've read.
Failures can be useful if they can properly learn from it, however their history with the Starliner suggests otherwise...
Oh wow I am so surprised 😐
If it’s Boeing, you ain’t going…
…home.
😂 Cracked me up
“If it’s Boeing I’m Not Going” 2024 change of motto.
The Astronauts stuck in space: "It's Boeing so We're not going."
Boeing has been on a pedestal for far too long.
Good keep reading and believing the tweets
Giligan’s Space Station. It was only supposed to be a 192 hour tour, a 192 hour tour…
I feel SpaceX won but NASA can’t say it because of partnership/money.
Everyone knows they won, having both options available is what NASA wants.
@@RandomPerson-VMaybe that option shouldn’t be Boeing…
@@WinterXR7 What do you propose? That NASA says goodbye to 4 billion or whatever they gave them and ask a new company to start from scratch. That would take another decade.
@@Hanno300bc Fair point.
They launched almost 100 rockets last year. I don’t think NASA and Boeing combined have done that since their founding.
We would still be begging the Russians for a ride to space without Space X!
Yeah the Chinese are stealing their tech as we speak though
and because of that, the russians are angry that the "American broomstick" is saving NASA! Roscosmos is in the dumps right now and they're close to failing because of Spacex
Yeah that's the crux of the issue all the Musk-haters conveniently ignore. If it weren't for SpaceX, we'd still be hitchhiking on Soyuz capsules, directly financing the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
The people on the top that got away with destroying Boeing need to be held accountable. Anything short of jail is not accountability. They need to go to jail.
you do realize, the problem is *us* , right? Because the shareholders, the ones that Boeing CEOs must prostrate themselves, legally, fiduciary, before the altar of, are ourselves? Our retirement and investment funds?
@@leeswecho by them taking shortcuts and outright lying on safety test do you really think that helped the shareholders? Do you think the stock is up?
Shareholders may have pressured them for maximizing profits at the cost of safety and innovation. They need to be held accountable as well.
Let’s pray and hope that they are able to return to earth safely, amen.
Don't worry, they will return to earth.
Astronauts know there’s risk, but I can’t imagine being in the Gilligan’s Island situation. 8 day trip turns into 8 months. Takes a lot of mental toughness.
At thus stage Space X only competition is Space X
Corporate greed over quality and safety is a stain on Boeing
Corporate greed will never beat great engineering.
At the time they were extremely hostile towards SpaceX. Now they say that they want two companies in the field.
This is what happen when you let BlackRock and Vanguard MBAs to run an engineering company.
What sound does a space craft when it crashes into the earth? Boe--ing!
🙄
It’s starting to make a whole lot of sense why V-22s crash all the time.
Great point!
This is one of the most unacceptable things to ever happen in American astronautics history.
One of, but not the only. The burning capsule with Gus Grissam, the o-ring on the Challenger were just as bad. At least no one died in this one.
Thanks to DEI
You may hate Musk, but just look at Boeing
I love Musk.
SpaceX and Musk aren't synonyms.
@@RandomPerson-V They are though
they aren't tho
@@joshuawarrington9417 You have to ignore reality to make this worldview work. If hiring smart people were the unusual variable at spacex, every other space startup would be doing well.
if the psychological state of the stranded astronauts start to deteriorate then it will be a really bad situation.
Unfortunatly Boeing is unreliable. They were great for so long this new reality hasn't sunk in yet.
Replace Boeing with US Congress and it still works.
Great document.
Very informative,
Thank you
DB
Forgot to mention how Boeing got almost twice the amount of money than SpaceX dor the crew transport program
Have u seen Boeing’s leadership, Boeing is about maximizing profits not about engineering safe and reliable spacecraft…
4:18 "Boeing has now flown...half of one"
Dude, that's like a short king saying they're 5ft 6 and a half
"Boeing says it's ready to go" astronauts turn and look at each other with concerned looks "I can't believe I'm saying this, but can someone call Elon?"
SpaceX ftw! This is what happens when you have company not bogged down with bureaucracy and red tape, they are actually able to deliver on their product! SpaceX, Blue Origin, Sierra Space, Rocket Lab and others like them will be the future of space exploration.
Sierra Space 🤍
Makes you appreciate the accomplishments made by SpaceX.
If the Starliner comes back to earth fine without the astronauts, it would be a life saver for this Boeing program.
Will we ever know if that happens with honesty though? We are not in a time of trust worthy comments.
@@TheRadioAteMyTV If it goes boom, it goes boom if it comes back usable then we'll see launched again. Simple as.
Great summary of the history and issues along the way. Next up is Starliner’s uncrewed return. There will be significant learning from that event to help inform what changes are needed to improve Starliner before another crewed mission to ISS.
Downfall of Boeing…..
I just pray they come back safely. That’s it !! Their families are waiting for them.
Why didn't they use SpaceX from day one instead of Boeing? 🤔
Because they paid Boeing billions of dollars to do this project
starliner?
did you watch the video? They literally said they hired both companies so they could have multiple options to take astronauts to the space station.
To have competition between the 2. If you have competition, ideally they will fight each other to improve and create the best product. That's how it is supposed to work.
But, clearly, SpaceX just has better talent and resources. They should've chosen a different competitor like Blue Origin
They plan this years in advance before SpaceX was even as mature as they are today.
Elon : Let that sink in...
Too many “business” folks running an engineering company does that to you
Glad you didn’t use the headline stranded in space. Glad you have integrity and common sense
Finally, they should have left it up to the professionals in the first place.
Now Elon just needs to start a company called AirX
How you know
Just cancelled my upcoming flight on a Boeing 787. Will be shopping for an Airbus flight instead.
Brilliant suicide idea. Airbus has a poor safety record compared to Boeing.
Cmon, you know that 787 is definitely coming back to earth. lol
So sad how this mission has perfectly reflected Boeings internal struggles. There is no replacement for quality control but they keep cutting it
I have an MBA myself but after looking at how SpaceX works, I’m convinced the real issue with Boeing is that pandering to shareholders dividends means taking a safety approach over risk taking every time. Safety is indeed critical but there’s a whole science behind risk management that delivers top not safety as SpaceX shows which allows them to continue innovative approaches to greater services. Boeing could never have dared to design and incorporate a transparent dome over their Calypso spacecraft the way SpaceX did for the Dragon capsule!
I'd rather b stuck in space, than trapped on this planet
The question should be focused on leadership. What is going on at the top at Boeing?
The old CEO just got fired and the position got replaced by a former engineer. Maybe promising, but idk.
First Boeing lost to Lockheed Martin with respect to the F35. Now Boeing is losing to SpaceX. This must bring back painful memories.
If it's Boeing, it ain't going (back, with humans)
If we step back and look at the situation. I am not sure there has ever occurred a situation with US astronauts that a US crew vehicle has had a issue in orbit and NASA has a completely different US crewed vehicle available to return that crew. Just shows you how much crewed spaceflight has changed in the last decade+.
You know they didn't bring extra underwear.
Nor did they think they would be celibate for 8 months out of nowhere, and forget about Christmas.
I've been thinking along those lines for a couple weeks now... I'm guessing they'd have to wash the ones they've got, but the opportunities to do so on board the ISS are limited, to say the least...
If it’s a Boeing, it ain’t flying
Elon to the rescue
GOD TRUMP MUSK RFK TO THE RESCUE WENDY DARLING; THE CALVARY IS COMING
Hopefully they have Netflix on the ISS. I would binge watch everything for the next 8 months.
Boeing literally Gillian’s Island the astronaut’s 😂
Did you just make "Gillians Island" a *_verb_* ?
Can we all breathe a sigh of relief that they made it to the ISS.Thank the stars.
Somebody is using DEI, and Somebody is not
some people have brain cells, and you do not
Not to mention boeing cost ~$4bn and Space X cost ~$2bn I dont know why we even give boeing contracts at this point
NASA needs to have an option besides space X.
Yes, but they also need a spacecraft that actually works, which Boeing is not capable of supplying.
They had one it was starliner LOL
Why? SpaceX actually delivers working solutions. Wasting the already limited NASA funds for "more options" is a bad move.
@@haiscore2614Makes sense, but the US might need an backup just in case if there would be an issue with the Crew Dragon capsule at a time where it might not be an good idea to ask Russia for a Soyuz flight. (Probably the worst case scenario)
The biggest issue however comes from people who doesn't know much about SpaceX or people who hate them in spite of Musk. (Because they're not capable of realizing that those two are not synonyms)
Having a fully functioning rocket ship is more important than having a bunch of mediocre choices.
Boeing were given 5 billion to make starliner, Musk was given 1.5 billion for Dragon. and have done a 20x better product. Up with startups, down with big defence companies.
Your figures are off and not by a little. Space X was awarded 2.6 billion to design and build Dragon. Boeing was awarded 4.2 billion to design and build Starliner. Boeing also spent at least 1.4 billion more to get Starliner flight worthy and still couldn't get it right. The engineering culture at Boeing has apparently suffered because of poor management oversight.
Impressive teamwork, SpaceX and NASA! 🚀
One hires engineers and the other hires lawyers and business people. It’s no surprise.
Thank gods it was leaks that were the problem. Boeing sure knows how to handle those.
Very smart that they required to American companies. Not one! 3:35 very smart.
Boeing taking nothing but L the last several years. If it was my life I would definitely take space x over Boeing. It sure seems like Boeing has lost its way. Maybe to many cooks in the kitchen or too many different projects at once. Civilian Planes, military contracts, and space.
None of that actually. Too much emphasis on management culture, politics and the corruption and bloat that comes with it.
@@TomNook. Bloat would be too much at one time. Maybe they should try making their airplanes perfect , instead of twenty different things at once. Why do you even feel the need to pick at what I said, I really don't understand. When we both agree they're doing a horrible job.
What would be really embarrassing would be if starliner was started earlier and had a larger budget.
😂… wait a minute
Michael Massimino message in this interview: hello Boeing … I can play ball for you … get me into your C suite
Boeing needs all their contracts voided until they get a grip.
This doesn’t only make Boeing look bad, but also NASA. They waited over 6 months before they finally swallowed their pride and asked for help
Well, to be fair, NASA is beholden to Congress for all of its' funding. Ruffling too many feathers, too early in the game, would not be a wise decision.
NASA was already privately coordinating with SpaceX (and other stakeholders) on planning this out months ago. This was just the final decision that was made and announced. It's not like they are only now starting to shuffle the Crew Dragon missions around. It also took time to gather data (e.g. the White Sands thruster tests) before the data came back and it helped them make the decision. They knew they had time to gather the data because the astronauts aren't really in any danger and don't need to be "rescued" ASAP.
It's also not like they are begging SpaceX to send a spacecraft to help them anyway. SpaceX already has a Crew Dragon on the schedule to deliver 4 astronauts and goods to the ISS. NASA is the customer of that and gets to ask for change in the manifest, so they are pulling 2 NASA astronauts off that trip to give room for the 2 astronauts they need to take home but those are missions that NASA is already paying for to begin with.
Shouldn't have broken up with Russia. Their Soyuz is a time tested vehicle.
Crew Dragon is way better than Soyuz. But yeah, obviously Soyuz is a thousand times better than Starliner right now.
All of that said, NASA and Roscosmos haven't really broken up. They're still doing seat swaps.
Once again, private enterprise must do what government cannot. Keep giving them your tax dollars, folks! It’s working out soooo well. 😂
Boeing is a private enterprise
Last time I checked, Boeing is a private company.
did you watch the video ? its a fixed price contract which Boeing has made a $1.4B loss on so far ...
Such a matter of shame for Boeing. One of the established company has to seek help from a startup.
If it's Boeing, I ain't going.
The repeated delays of Starliner launch should have been an omen.
Boeing, “DEI is our strength”. MLK “judged on our character and not the color of our skin”
One-trick pony, Robert.
“We’re in a kind of a new situation here and that we’ve got multiple options,” said Ken Bowersox, associate administrator for NASA’s Space Operations Mission Directorate, on August 7. “That’s something that we’re going to have to deal with in the future - we could find ourselves in a situation where we need to bring a (SpaceX) Dragon crew or a (Russian) Soyuz crew back on a Starliner."
Wow....... Boeing have failed miserably with their first proper Starliner flight but NASA are pointing out how the same company will be out there rescuing SpaceX or Russian crews.
Elon is the greatest man of this generation
He just got lucky
Before he started meddling in politics.....
Wake up! Elon Musk is just a actor. He is a simple muppet promotor.
@@mcfly7 He is a rich narcissist.
It’s like if the US asked Russia for help getting astronauts back from the moon
They did talk about it with Russia in case of emergency rescue mission. Relying on only spaceX is too risky for the astronauts...
Boeing.. What a disgrace?
Boeing can’t even focus properly on its plane problems and they want to hop onto space 😂
Hello?? Boeing has been involved with developing rockets to space for 50 + years, they didn't just "hop onto space". It is their management structure that has broken down ever since the Boeing/McDonald Douglas merger and engineering has suffered.