How a Badly Trained Pilot Caused this Airbus to Crash into New York City | American Airlines 587
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- Find out why this Airbus A300 crashed into New York City right after takeoff.
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You could do some day avianca flight 203?
TheFlightChannel plz make video on Airblue flight 202
Very good you need hard work but your hard work is success
I thought I had seen this one already. Saw the pinned comment. That explains why.
The in 2019 air disaster in Flight 3591.
I remember that one of the victims in this plane crash was an employee of the world trade center, she survived 9/11 but died 2 months later in this crash. So sad may they all rest in peace.
:( i feel bad
When it's your time it's your time.
how tragic for her...
Final destination stuff right there crazy.
@@kevinburke6055honestly!!!
A friend of mine, an AA pilot, was two planes behind this one waiting to take off that morning. He watched the whole scene unfold. Very sad. RIP to all that lost their lives.
Wow
in such a case would his plane have still take off or would there have been a cancellation?
I think I would be getting off that plane or any one of them after that
A horrid story. Do you think if the Captain had said " Lets Wait a Minute", that there would have been a different outcome? I do. The FO was a shit pilot for sure; but at least he would not have killed all of his passengers ad crew on that run.
@@tjmcguire9417he wasn’t a bad pilot. I’m so tired of this narrative. He followed AA training standards to a T. Airbus had repeatedly told AA that their training was not in line with their recommended procedures. AA was instructing its pilots to use massive rudder input to counteract adverse yaw and turbulence. The fault lies entirely on AA. The FO was doing his job how he was trained. The whole situation caused AA to redo their entire training procedures.
I am a huge fan of your content, but I almost can’t bring myself to watch this video. My uncle was on this flight. I have not been able to forget about it. All the fear and lost hope that he must’ve been feeling when that plane plummeted. I will never forget him.
But at least you have some closure now that you know what happened.
I feel for you bro, an uncle can be very important to us 😰
I’m sorry for your loss.
So sorry for your loss :(
so sorry for your loss, i'm sure he was a great guy and is smiling over you every day
When honoring the dead, let’s not forget the people sitting in their homes watching The Price Is Right that morning while sipping their morning cups of coffee. I graduated high school with one of those victims. RIP
So sorry for your loss. May they rest in peace.
What happened to them?
@@TheWoodland12 they died, duh!
Wdym did you finish high school with 1 of your students dying because of this?
@@georgiak.7409 OMG!!
It makes me so sad trying to imagine people just chilling in their house living life and then a plane just comes straight at them out of nowhere
Living under the rerouted flightpath between Birmingham International Airport and Heathrow, I often see planes overhead.
Having watched dozens of these videos, I'm often relieved when they pass my airspace! Though my reason tells me there a microscopic chance of a mishap, I remember Emmerdale (British soap opera) ....
On whom they crashed they would be dead but the people nearby who are not dead imagine the fear
@@nayannbg6314 ?
@@Qball__ I mean where the plane crashed and near that area, the surroundings how fearful it would be seeing a big burst of flames and all suddenly
@@nayannbg6314 yeah true i was just saying like you just get crashed from an airplane for no reason and u just die instantly its just sadd
My great grandfather was supposed to be on this flight with his new wife. They had just moved to queens and ended up missing their flight because they woke up late. He always talks about how lucky he was and feels bad for the people :(
Wow! Your great grandfather is blessed!
Did you ask him why he and his new wife were up so late that they overslept?
This is nonsense lol
Got any grapes?
Any proof?
5 people on the ground were also killed - they should be mentioned too.
For some reason this channel never mentions the folk killed on the ground - I don’t know why.
Thank you. I came to the comments looking for this info...crashing into a heavily populated area, I expected there was almost certainly ground casualties too. Tragic...just tragic. RIP (& I do wish TFC would mention & pay tribute to ALL lives lost in these incidents)
@@SittingBearProd Well it did Mention the people that got killed on the ground during the aeromexico and Cessna mid air collision.
@@lucassteen4050 I saw that one happen with own eyes. Was an air traffic controller at Long Beach. It was a clear day. We saw the big black puff in the sky. We also had radar and watched as pilots sent the emergency code and the altitude decreased rapidly.
I just asked that question, wondered if anybody on the ground were killed. Thank you.
I was an employee of American at the time and one of my co workers was staying late. She was in the office and when I asked her why she was here so late she said I'm taking the flight to SDQ in the morning. So I'm going to stay here over night. We talked for a while and talked about 9 11 among other things. When I left her at about 1am and went home We said goodbye and I told her to get some sleep. When I found out the next morning I was totally devastated. May she Rest In Peace.
@@DaniloWings I'm so sorry to hear that. That's terrible.
Any other fearful fliers out there find themselves binge watching these videos? 😨😨😨
Yep ✋
Yes!!
🤕 unfortunately
Yesssssss..now i know im never flying.
@Southy no staying my ass off a plane helps ME😃
I will never understand how ANY rudder movement that would rip the tail off of a plane can be allowed by ANY pedal movement a pilot can possibly make.
Well, the flying pilot must be able to move the rudder when in flight. The rudder on large aircraft is controlled by hydraulics controlled by actuators hooked up to the rudder pedals at the pilot's feet. In this case, the hydraulics were stronger than the structure of the Rudder and its attachment means and it failed.
Agree this story don’t make sense
I agree. So a plane is designed to fail within it’s the operational limits? Makes no sense but I’m not an aeronautical engineer.
Imagine it like this, when you’re driving on a motorway, you don’t suddenly turn your steering wheel as far as it can go in one direction, or else you’ll most likely spin out and crash. For older aircraft, similar logic applies when using the rudder at high speeds.
@@KyleMcNicolI agree, but is that anywhere written in the manual? Harsh use of the rudder will cause to break apart, and the pilots didn’t know?
The flight was supposed to go to Santo Domingo. My wife and in-laws had planned to be on that flight, but the travel agency told them it was already booked solid and booked them on a flight for the following week instead. Every now and then, my wife reminds me of how close we came to never meeting.
It's really just a dice roll every day to see if you'll live or not
No one cares what your wife says
@@forman208 And yet, here you are.
@@justinjoseph6966 lol
@@justinjoseph6966 i almost died in 2004, had i died i woulda never met my, well, nvm, i'm still single..lol Dang..
I remember this happening like it was yesterday. I remember hearing the fire engines rushing to the scene and the fact that I lived in East New York Brooklyn and the fire engines were from Downtown Brooklyn told me something big had happened. Coming so soon after 9/11 meant everyone was on edge.
I just saw the live unedited video in another TH-cam post. So agonizingly tragic
This was only 2 months after the 9/11 attacks and as an American it scared alot of people - those were very uncertain times and nobody knew if another attack was going on or if it was an accident.
RIP to the passengers and crew.
If I had to go somewhere then, I would have driven, personally.
Yup. The first assumption was terrorism. That said,the moment I heard it was Flight 587,I had gotten especially upset. That was a very popular flight for the Dominican community of NYC,so,just like so many times before,most of the passengers were from there. My thought was, "They were Dominicans! We don't do anything that would attract terrorists! Why would they bomb us?" Of course,the official investigation came later,revealing the crew's ineptitude. 265 deaths that did not need to happen
This plane actually existed though
@@ramonmoreno8014 buddy the planes actually existed for the trade center too. A bunch of people died on those planes. Stop putting on the tin foil hat and just let the victims Rest In Peace
@@jandm4ever716 Let the Pentagon and Building 7 rest in peace
I remember this happened within the month after 9/11/2001. The city was already in shock from the terrorist attacks and this just compounded the heartache. I met a father in the Bronx that lost his young daughter and his mother on that flight. He owns a cuchifrito truck in the Bronx and has a picture of them on the outside. His daughter was not older than 6 and his mother, well, it was his mother. It was so sad. I have tears in my eyes while watching this video.
It was 2 months after 9/11
Did you watch the beginning of the video? The date was Nov 12, 2001. It didn't happen within the month of Sept.
@@kevinmalone3210 Hilarious. OK. So, it was still in the time we were all reeling from the collapse of the towers. What does that have to do with anything and the rest of my comments? Funny, how people need to point out something like that. OK. It felt like it happened shortly after. My bad. Feel better?
@@rengalafuze8700 Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't it fall into a neighborhood where a lot of FDNY lived? Tragedy upon tragedy...
People who miss the entire point of a story to point out some ridiculous technicality that has nothing to do with what the person is trying to get across are a pain in the ass. WHO CARES if it was one month or two or three or 7 weeks or 8..... it was in the immediate wake of 9/11 - that's what matters.
My uncle and cousin were on this flight. she was 13 at the time, he worked for AA for years. RIP, really crazy day even tho I was fairly young. I remember it clearly
RIP
I was working on the memorial for flight 587. Our company was a GC, spent few days on the jobsite. It makes you appreciate your life and RIP all that are gone. Will never forget the days and all the names that are written on the boards. Rest in Peace
My mom remembers this. She lives just out of JFK. In her backyard looking at the planes takeoff. And one of those planes was this flight. She saw something fly off the plane. She said she heard a big boom. One of the worst days of the year.
Did anyone on the ground get killed? Do you know.
@@rebeccaduboise6890 , 5 people and a dog on the ground were killed. 260 people on board, plus one dog in the cargo hold, were killed.
@@rebeccaduboise6890 yes. Some people in their homes, Some on the street 😒
@@rebeccaduboise6890 yes, of gang violence, one choked on a fish bone, car accidents, suicide, old age, war, knife attack, stroke, domestic abuse, Russian rulet, Jeffrey Epstein, victims of Hitlery Clinton, need i say more?? lol..
9/11 Trumps this day, but yes.
Thanks for making this my cousin was on this plane he also survived 9/11 acouple months before this. Once again thank you for making this video it means a lot
@This Foo If you Dominican most likely you had a family member on that plane. You don’t gotta believe me but that was great young man on that plane 28 years of age best cousin you would ever have .
@This Foo thank you if you want to know a little bit about him I’ll still tell you. My cousin was a sports agent he emailed me the day before he got on that flight he was going to interview Sammy Sosa and our whole family so proud of him this was really hard on us kinda of a sad story but I’m glad somos one out there is explaining me the science of the crash
I am so sorry to hear of your loss. My heart goes out to you.
Jesus. I'm so sorry man. Really am. I'm sure he was a great man. That's never easy on the family. I just lost my father out of nowhere basically. And I'm absolutely heartbroken. He was my best friend. Take care of yourself and family.
when the captain asked "you ok?", I don't think he realized the F.O. was hitting the rudder like that. He felt the plane going side to side and probably said to himself WTH is he doing. Neither Knew that the rudder fell off.
And the FO ultimately snapped the rudder off the plane.
The Captain should always have the feet close to the rudder pedals during TO and landing
One of my friends was on that flight, he was a worker in the building I am still living in. The only person I knew who died in a plane crash. I was surprised to find this video by chance. May they all rest in peace.
I don't ever hear of many crashes coming or going from the New England states...just observing.
I bet he is grateful for you to remember him
You aren't alone. Most us know people who died in plane crashes. You know capitalism always comes first.
My bldg's super was on that flight to the D.R. really beautiful and kind man leaving behind a beautiful family. God rest his soul.
Damn. Sorry to hear that,man. If you're Dominican,you know Flight 587. We've all been on it at least once,going to Santo Domingo. My heart sank that day,the moment I heard the flight number
Rest in peace ❤️🙏🏻🙌🏻
My neighbor's daughter was in this flight, very sad day. May them rest in peace 🕊️🤍
The sheer terror going through every person on that plane is unimaginable. What an absolute nightmare. So tragic.
Me, scared of flying, watching videos about scary flying to make myself more scared of flying, thinking this will cope with the scare of flying.
Memetastic Bot literally me. Why are we like this?
@@Jessica-je1ky Lmao I really don't know. The #1 reason I'm scared of flying is the thought you're up 35k+ feet in the air, I'm afraid of heights so yeah.
Memetastic Bot Im glad I’m not the only one
I am also scared of flying but, surprisingly, watching these videos make me feel better about flying because they bring rationality to the causes of accidents and help me understand how they are more and more avoided.
Memetastic Bot it’s not just the height for me- we’re in a pressurized can miles above the ground. It’s a scary thought for me.
I remember the news at the time talked about one of the victims, who had worked in the World Trade Center, escaping on 9/11 just two months before being killed on Flight 587.
Fate is malicious
Or Fate is inevitable.
@ lOoK I dOn'T bEliEvE oNe SinGle wOrd yOu uSed, lEt mE wRitE a pAraGrapH abOuT iT
Are we thinking Final Destination here?
Fate is neutral. It plays no favorites.
Shady coincidence
251 passengers and 9 crew lost their lives. Plus 5 on the ground. Dang. RIP to all
I remember when it happened. It crashed pretty much onto Newport Avenue and Beach 129 Street.
it shows you your not even safe in your own home ,the wrong place at the wrong time ,r,i,p
Playing tennis in a club near Ciampino Rome Italy Airport, i see airplanes everyday taking off and landing. They are always, i say always in a perfect path and fly calm and in control, so calm that i cant even imagine to see one, one day, showing problems. When i train all alone doing one hour of serves, i have all time to somehow salute each of them and feel good that everything is going well. Greetings from Rome Italy ❤
Man I always think about the sheer terror those poor souls all feel when the plane is going down. I can't even begin to imagine...
And what about the pilots? Especially that first officer, he had couple of seconds before impact to think about his responsibility.
If he was aware of his mistakes...
R.I.P
Sorry for my English,(I'm Polish) but I just felt I needed to write few words. It blows my mind how looks like the last 5 to 10 second without any control? How you can prepare yourself for certain death in that condition?
Sheer pun
@@blitzwing1 I believe passengers knew what was happening, sadly. Many were most likely watching out the window as I do. Sheer terror.
Look up American 191 if you really want to be freaked out about passengers knowing what’s coming.
@@shahwhaever Oh yeah, I know exactly what you're referring to. They had just recently installed those screens too. Poor souls had the same view as the pilots as the plane went down. Just horrible! There always seems to be at least one creepy coincidence with every plane crash.
I remember this day. Washington Heights had flowers in every building. I cried as I passed by the buildings in NYC. Such a vibrant loud community was in tears for days. #RIP my neighbor. Never have I met some like you.
I remember this day so vividly, sadly. I work for a major carrier. On this day I was on a flight from ORD to SFO. I was on a 747 with about a dozen of my fellow employees as we had been moved from SFO after 9/11. We were all happy to be heading back home, and as such with flight benefits we were all in business class in close proximity to each other. A flight attendant came to me with the look of terror in her eyes. She leaned over and quietly whispered to me that a plane just went down over New York and that she didn't have any details. She told me that if something happens on our flight (hijack) be ready to act. She went to all my fellow employees and said the same thing. We all looked at each other in silence and nodded to each other. Still gives me chills.
Wow
As an Air Safety investigator I must say you guys are doing a wonderful job.
Props to the team!
Damn... I remember this like yesterday 😥... Knew a few folks that were on that doomed flight. RIP passengers, crew and bystanders
I'm sorry about your loss.
Sorry, man. A tragedy that could have been prevented.
So sorry hun
My condolences
RedRose7997 Save your hate....
I have over 8000 hours and currently fly an Airbus A320. Large inputs to the flight controls are used often and under many circumstances.
Even though the 300 is not fly by wire, there is no way the rudder faltered due to the application of full rudder control. The aircraft was well under maneuvering speed and I’ve never, ever heard an aircraft make such a significant sound due to wake turbulence.
They departed plenty of time after the 747 and were also at a slightly different altitude through climb out. FAA was covering for American Airlines***(see note).
The plane was previously damaged in weather overseas and I’m sure there were complications where a band aid was used to get the plane through to its next overhaul.
Airlines save time and money at all costs, and sometimes it costs lives. At the end of the day, it’s a business, and I love the Airbus 300 series as well, but sometimes responsibility trumps optics, and unfortunately in this imperfect world, we can’t be prepared for or foresee every single possible scenario.
We do the best we can, but flying is inherently dangerous given the amount of changing factors on a daily basis. God bless and clear skies.
*** this is going to be the only edit I make to my original comment. It originally said “Airbus,” but should be “American Airlines.” Ive changed it to that. I’ve received many comments about this and wanted to clarify my original mistake. In commenting quickly when first typing out my response to the video, I subconsciously put Airbus when I meant AA. It was an honest mistake that I had these two switched. Also: I understand that the NTSB is the investigative body for aviation accidents. When speaking of the FAA, I am referring to their many statements following the crash and investigation that, to me, seemed to omit important information and mislead the public in an attempt to show American Airlines in a more positive light. Lastly: I have posted a “deeper look” response to many commenters below... might be worth a read before commenting about “large control inputs” and other aspects of my comment that may seem unclear. (I try to keep comments short, and sometimes it leaves a lot of room for misinterpretation). Thanks for all of your comments.
How come there is no first class on JetBlue, pilots do look very sexy, another thing, I wish they would talk a little during flight
James...great response. Your analysis is the way it's always been in this industry.
Scott Oakley Thank you. Sometimes I get nervous signing my name to comments such as this, but I am a pilot seeking truth first, and a pilot employed by the airlines second.
Any pilot that has ever flown for the airlines, especially with any significant amount of time, would read the FAA analysis of this accident and feel betrayed.
I remember the exact day this happened. I had just been employed for my first FO job flying the Dash 8. Immediately after the crash, I was having a conversation with other pilots at an FBO in Jacksonville, Florida. We all agreed, without knowing all the details, that the aircraft must have had a faulty component in the tail configuration given the fact that the pilots had lost rudder control shortly after takeoff.
When I saw the reports the FAA released about the final finding of cause, it was like a gut punch to the stomach. It was my introduction to the reminder that the industry is a business to be protected at all costs.
Yes, the airlines and the FAA are full of good people. Yes we have an incredible safety record in this country. Yes it is safer to get into an Airbus than a motor vehicle any day of the week, and these statistics are all the more reason to just tell the truth and reveal the actual cause of accidents like these. It would only make the industry stronger.
Unfortunately we never learn, and now we are seeing the consequences this year again with the Max 8 misinformation. But we do what we can as the PIC to keep our passengers safe, and I personally take pride in never making a decision based on the bottom line or gate arrival/departure time, and instead am thorough and complete in making sure that the airplane is airworthy regardless of the scheduling affects on the company.
Sometimes this rubs management the wrong way, but they have no choice but to understand. I also am pleased to report that most all of my colleagues are exactly of the same mold. I’ve been with 4 of the Majors, and JetBlue is by far the most professional and safety concerned out of all I flown for.
Thank you for the interest in the conversation, good day and fly JetBlue.
James Ozzello i love jetblue
Fabiana Branco I agree.... it’s the best major I’ve flown with, American and south west were not as great... at least schedule wise.
I remember that day vividly. At first, I remember thinking it was a repeat of that horrible day just 2 months before. I remember hearing the fire trucks and seeing the smoke. It's another one of those things that I'll always remember where I was and what I was doing when it happened.
Wow. That plane was headed to my motherland. 🇩🇴 RIP Brothers and Sisters. 🙏
Your simulations are absolutely first-class!! We really feel that we are there...thanks for all the very hard work in producing these videos!!
That moment when you've seen so many plane crash vids on YT that you know exactly which crash is being documented. I think I'm running out of flights. XD
It's wild how little there are considering how many flights are in the US alone
I mean with the right 'certain group' you could cause a few more hahaha please don't hurt me fbi. is only joke
@@r.w.860 😂😂😂
Too lazy to type eo.
@@rbrick3685 exactly what I’ve been thinking.
Every time I hear the pitch change during take off my heart starts pounding
I remember this like it was yesterday. We thought it was another terrorist attack since it occurred just 2 months after 9/11. My friends' aunt and cousins were killed on this flight. R.I.P.
Every channel in Australia went live to it too, thinking the same thing.
@@davesmith5909 Very scary time
Great video, The Flight Channel!
Two dogs also died in the crash. One was in the cargo hold and another was on the ground.
May those 265 people (All 260 on board and 5 on ground) and those 2 dogs rest in peace.
The Long Island Railfan - I was wondering how many ppl died, but two dogs as well? RIP to all of them and the two doggies!!!
Poor dogs : (
THEY HAD A RUFF DAY
@EritreanMusiq ;(
Thank you for also remembering the dogs lost x
This guy is such a pro youtuber about airplane crashes and editing
WHO AGREES
👍🏻
Me I do
I agree
*Some of the info is incorrect & false*
👍
I guess. All the information is pulled off wikipedia and probably some other various sources, the simulation is done on Microsofts Flight Simulator, and the music is royalty free that you can find online. Nevertheless, a good deal of time goes into the whole production of the video, but then again i work hard at my job as well for 9 hours everyday.
There’s actual footage on TH-cam of this plane departing JFK right before it crashes if anyone’s interested. It cuts away and then a plume of smoke is seen in the distance. It’s eerie watching a plane full of doomed passengers depart knowing full well what’s about to happen.
_A lot_ of Americans were hesitant or scared to fly after *9/11.* Can you imagine being on this flight, already being scared to begin with, and then everything goes wrong. What must have been going through those people's minds is heartbreaking to think about. Your plane not only plummets to the ground but you helplessly watch as buildings get closer and closer. And crashing into a building was your exact fear. So sad.
The FO was even concerned about the planes distance when they were waiting to take off. If the CPT had just said “yeah, might as well wait another minute”, maybe the wake clears and there’s nothing to overreact to at all.
Except the wake turbulence wasn't that bad. The FO overreacted and ripped the vertical stab off the aircraft by "Putting his left foot in, taking his right foot out, putting his right foot in, and he shook it all about. He did the hokey pokey and he ripped the stab right off...that's what it's all about!!"
The Captain exercised his judgment..which was correct. If you want to blame the CA for anything it should be that he either didn't have his feet on the rudder pedals or that he didn't tell the FO to stop using the rudder pedals as much as he did. He probably should have taken the aircraft from the FO. As an airline CA I always have my feet on the pedals whether I'm the PF or PM.
Don't try to blame the captain.
@@F3502000 HAHAHA
I thought they're supposed to wait 3 or 4 minutes after a super heavy aircraft takes off.
I was working that day. We thought it was another terrorist attack since it was so close to 911.
Yeah, I remember EVERYONE was scared and angered....we were all thinking "they brought down ANOTHER one!"
OMG that must have been super scary. It is the crash that reignited 9/11 scare.
My friend lost his mother on this flight... and you're right - we all thought it was more terrorist activity.
Absolutely. There was 9/11, then the anthrax terrorist's letters which started a week after 9/11 and continued into October, all followed by this crash. Scary, scary time.
joe rizoz it was on the runway at 9: 11 :o Edit: Not in the video 9:11, but 2:54 in video
I was on holiday in New York from the UK when this happened. After 9/11 i guess everyone was on edge as i remember the chaos of this happening and people thinking it was terror related. Very sad situation. Thanks for the upload anyway.
This is the best channel to combine excellent graphics , NO NARRATION, and appropriate music.
As a fellow pilot I can only say that I have never forgiven the AOPA or the Teamsters for not defending Sten Molin better.
He was framed by the FAA to stuff the catastrophic structural failure of a popular airliner while under normal flight conditions under the rug.
He had just reached 250 kts, well within Maneuvering speed. The flight control system, either completely unknown or forgotten by Sten, had just cut the sensitivity of the rudder pedals so low the lightest pressure for the shortest distance would cause full deflection of the rudders. He didn't realize he was kicking to full deflection and believed the radical yaw was from an outside influence,. That's why he kicked so hard back the other way.
The actual accident sequence takes place about 100 times faster than depicted here. See the NTSB's computer reconstruction of the FDR for a better perspective.
The flight control system was doing something he didn't even believe was possible.
This accident would never, in a million trillion years, have occurred on any other type aircraft flying.
and that's all you really need to know.
And this was after 'upset' accidents which caused the training to call for "aggressive" responses to abnormal events...
Yeah, the "overstressed the vertical stabilizer in high-speed flight" line didn't seem right. There's a strong incentive by airlines, aircraft manufacturers, and investigators to blame the pilots in many accidents. They are least able to defend themselves--especially if they died in the accident.
It makes no sense to design an aircraft with that much range of motion for a rudder to rip the stabilizer off. I bet the Wright brothers figured that out.
@@youtubestolemyhandle1 It does raise an eyebrow as to how the darn thing got a certificate of airworthiness to begin with doesn't it?
A final little factoid no-one ever brings up is the bolts that failed holding the rudder to the fuselage were "composite" bolts. The _only_ failures were the 3 composite bolts. The steel ones are still locked in place wherever they are today. What the heck does that mean? you tell me, I'm just sayin'.
Danstaafl
Composite materials are nice, but bolts? Not on my ride.
I may have never flown a heavy airliner, but I do have thousands of hours steering ships up to 63,000 tons. What separates good helmsmen from bad ones is patience. Over-control, or excess use of rudder, just sets up an oscillation. Smaller control input over a longer period of time is better than heavy-handed large inputs.
Large control surface movements are often made with aircraft in flight. Especially at low speed. You`d be surprised. Many people would be.
Not if your trained (or asked) to do fast movements
Hs Hs are you seriously comparing a single axis boat to a 3 axis aircraft? Come on now. Large control inputs are utilized frequently under many conditions. I’ve got about 8000 hours and currently fly an Airbus A320 for Jet Blue. I’m sorry if I sound rude but there is no comparison.
@@jlo08996 By "single axis boat" do you mean it has control input for a single axis? Anything I know of that can be called a ship or boat has three axes. I am not saying a ship cannot have some other axis controls; I just don't know.
... and heavy handed (footedness) is not what happened here either.
I so distinctly remember this incident...coming off the heels of 9/11, the entire country was still in a state of shock. Everyone automatically assumed this was another terror attack. Never learned the details about it though - until now.
It was so bizarre having it happen right after 9/11. We were all still so raw from that, and then this ...
PULL UP! PULL UP! PULL UP! That is so haunting to hear. It's so terrifying to know that people on the ground were living their daily lives and seeing a plane plummet to the ground. There's no way for me to imagine the fear that the people on the plane had as they plummeted to their deaths, and how heartbroken those close to the people who perished felt. May everyone who passed away on the plane and the ground rest in power.
One thing I’ve learned from these videos, small corrections go a long way on airplanes
If it is possible to apply that much stress to the fin, then the fin should be built to take it or software should be modified to keep the pilot from doing it.
It would not have happened on a Boeing. Composites have a lifespan that can be dramatically shortened by bubbles in the resin. Several vertical stabilizers were tested and found to be weakening with cracks in a video shortly after this happened. The FAA quashed the reason this failed to protect Airbus.
@@TheKuskokid ...tell Boeing to fix that software on their 737 MAX-8 before a 3rd crash happens
Just tell them to watch their instruments and look out the window. @@Bruce.-Wayne
Well, the best way (my opinion) is a hardware change that does not allow the rudder pressure to exceed a certain level. A feedback circuit similar to a power steering system but not identical. Have a "slip" system that starts to slip at X lbs of pressure and never allows the pressure to exceed X+Y lbs.
Thank you my thoughts exactly
In memory of all my Dominicans🇩🇴 that passed away in that flight ✈️ i remember watching the news that morning and seeing this tragic event 😢 💔
True. When I heard the flight number,my heart sank. I actually flew AA 587 the last time I went to Santo Domingo in 1986, and AA 588 on the way back.
Are Dominicans they only people that are important to you ? That almost seems insensitive to disregard the others who perished as well . Unless of course, you personally knew every single one of them on that plane . In memory of ALL those people on board and on the ground who perished. In life and in death we are all the same especially in the eyes of God's people ; HIS people, the human race.
One thing is for sure. After haveing DR neighbors, I would NEVER go to that country. Just saying
I first watched the seconds from disaster on this years ago, wasn't until now I realize how insanely unlucky it was for them to crash into the land, when all around them was ocean where nobody on the gerund would've been injured.
You know what scary is? Most people were thinking they want the boarding process to be finished earlier without knowing that this is quite the last moment in their life.
EXACTLY. I don't care how long the boarding process takes. I don't care if the flight attendants kick me in the nuts while boarding,or if I don't get my bag of peanuts. For me,the flight crew has one job: DON'T CRASH! People just complain about dumb stuff, without any sense of perspective. Any flight that takes off and lands without any fatalities is a good flight in my book. Side note: It's why people clap when the plane lands- in appreciation of the crew
When a plane starts to roll down the runway and is traveling at 200mph, even if its has not even left the ground, you are in Harm's Way.... You are inside a 'Missile' loaded with hundreds of tonnes of Explosive liquid. Think about that!
Yup. I’ve watched enough of these accidents that I would sit and wait 12 hours for a flight if that’s what it took to be safe and not crash. Take your time. Life is too short to rush everything
@@henrymanzano9168 I like ur side note! And EXACTLY!
@@annoyboyPictures Thinking......and it's frightening!
I AM not afraid of flying....
I AM afraid of FALLING!
It's not the fall that will kill you...it's the sudden stop.
@Mr Karen the thing that puts you above 31000 ft over the ground will cause it actually
I am afraid of falling, and of fire…
@Dillon Owens I love flying, personally. I actually found my love for aviation by watching these videos, and I love long haul flights.
I’m afraid of flying ..
Love your material TFC. Been with you since the beginning and adore your selection of material but mainly your knowledge & sensitivity to the people involved. I've learned a lot from your vids. Enjoy the music you use too. 💛💚💛💚
@TheFlightChannel I absolutely love your videos!! I learn so much from them! Thank you for doing these simulated incidents to perfection!
Literally in the middle of this video I got an ad suddenly and this perky woman’s voice was like “Travel can be stressful! 😀”
Lol
Well, she wasn’t lying. I hate flying... it’s become a giant pain in the ass. I get searched almost every time I go through security screening. Why? Because I sweat. The sweat blocks the sensor and they pull me off the line for a hand search. I asked once - listen I know I’m going to set this thing off. Just hand search me now. Nope.
Lol
Flying is amazing and nobody should fear, the odds of being in a plane crash are much less than 1 in 150000
Bahaha!!!
I flew the A306 for a few years and was never pleased with the fact that during a coupled ILS approach, the rudder kicked in to lock in on the localiser. Always kind of gave you a "kick" in your seat during the capture. I had a Cpt, who was checked out on Boeing, from another airline flying jumpseat. When we intercepted the LOC and felt the kick he was visibly startled until I explained what was going on. Theres just way to much stress on the tail Assembly
" Theres just way to much stress on the tail Assembly"
What are you suggesting?
Well, this helped my fear of flying 0 😂
too much stress on this certain model of plane or all planes in general?
I haven't watched the video yet, but my understanding was that it wasn't just the pilots fault, but a multitude of factors including the training itself
I wonder how many people watching a few of these videos swear they're never going to fly again?
I came across this channel towards the end of December. Not sure how. Anyway, I had gotten back from flying into Miami. And I thought wow thank goodness I already flew. I had to take a break from watching these vids because I had planned a trip for mothers day for my mom. So I said okay, no more watching until that trip is over. We flew to Vegas. Got there safely, a bit rough flying over thunderstorms but not bad. We actually went through wake turbulence on the take off out of Vegas. Those moments of my life were sooo anxiety filled. I kept thinking of this channel😭😭 it probably lasted 5 minutes but it felt like forever. Next trip, is a road trip. Gotta take a break from flying here and there. I love to travel and I love this channel but sometimes I need a break. Lol.
Nah. Your time is up your time is up. I mean you can get killed crossing the street. Have God in your heart and everything will be fine.R.I.P. to those that lost their lives. ❤🙏❤
@@Mr.77776
Have Jesus Christ i your heart and you’ll have God the Father too.
@@Faji9r Yes sir!
Im only 17 and have flown 25+ times. I have travelled all over the US for a job I had and I am also blessed enough to have been on vacation in many awesome places. I watch these videos all the time but they do not scare me because I know if this is the way i am going to go, it will be the way and I will not die in pain. I know its a harsh reality
Great vid but also sad, rest in peace 😥
doomscyte boy you have issues
To clear up something; the fact that he did yaw full left didn't cause it to come off, it was the fact he did it left to right in quick succession that caused too much stress and it to subsequently snap off.
or the fact that he did what he was trained to do. American and Airbus failed them and the FAA for not having something in place to ensure the manufacturer and the air carrier hash out training procedures and performance. This procedure was tried tested on Boeing aircraft, which were built like tanks back in those days. Not the new carbon fiber or MAX. RIP.
NOT the pilot's fault. Aircraft clearly structurally too weak to be in the air. Tail fin and both engines fell off - how ridiculous !
@@millomweb If they built these things to survive such extreme and rarely encountered forces they'd be so heavy and inefficient that no one would want to operate them.
@@Skyhawk1998 "extreme and rarely encountered forces"
Here on Earth.....these forces are neither rare nor extreme.
The puffs of wind these planes fly in create waves big enough to demolish cliff faces.
There was one flight where an aircraft was assembled incorrectly. The flight handling was so bad, it made the pilots physically sick. They managed to understand the problem, cope with it and safely land the aircraft. However, the 5G forces the plane endured in the flight without falling to bits were sufficient to write it off.
The wind is not always gentle - and aircraft need to be built to stay together. As the saying goes - the wings bend so much to ensure they don't break.
The notion of pilot input being sufficient to cause plane failure is ridiculous.
@@millomweb Nowadays pilot input generally can't destroy an aircraft because the inputs are not directly sent to the control surfaces - flight computers interpret them and move the control surfaces accordingly.
The A300 in this disaster was a design from the 80s that lacked this, however.
I think about this incident often. Remember watching the neighborhood burn on the news. It's things like this that make me never want to board an airplane ever again.
I found out my dad was going to be on this flight but he didn't go because one of my siblings or me got sick. A co-worker of his died though.
Any kid on a flight sim knows that over-waggling the joystick and rudder can tear off the wings, tail and fin.
I dont even play flight sim and i would assume that would happebd
He did exactly what he was trained to do.
Apparently not American Airlines
You’d be surprised. Plenty of people freak out and over control
No. False.
I watched this happen...I used to work on commercial fishing boats and we were working about a half mile off the beach in East Rockaway....I'll never forget the smell of the fire.
What is that pfp
@@cow3210 ??
@@jonnyfish76 mo
IIRC, there was issue with the mounting design of the vertical fin too. It wasn't very fail-safe with its pin-join mount and it might have been eventually redesigned. Something to look into.
It failed over twice the design force. It was pretty fail-safe.
Well done video! You guys have great production values.
Maybe when the captain asked FO if he was alright would have been a good time for captain to have intervened. I couldn't read all 2.4K comments, so I could be repeating something.
Max - my thoughts exactly
- what I don’t understand is why, when the Pilot asked his less experienced co pilot if all was ok (pilot must have had concern) the pilot did not intervene ? Isn’t the pilot in charge and not the co pilot when all is said and done ? That is what bothers me. All those lives in the balance Including his own and the pilot did not take over? If that is “protocol” then it is absurd - this is not a harmless billy cart.
My exact thought. On a lot of these crashes, the other pilot could have intervene but why didn't they? Is it because they are not confident of their decision as well or was trained not to do anything? I guess 2 brains aren't better than one.
I agree
@@veronicaeavm1530 I would guess that the captain assumed that he can take over the controls later because they still had adequate height. I think this underlines how the rudder fragility was not well understood. If the captain had actually known that incorrect input can rip of the rudder, he wouldn't have just let the FO to try to handle the situation alone.
The only way to make less experienced pilots to learn to be better is to allow safe mistakes to happen. Unfortunately, the captain misestimated the safety margin here. Had the airplane withstood the stress of incorrect input, there would have been no problems.
Later Airbus models do not allow input that can damage the aircraft. I think this accident was many of the examples they used for the newer fly-by-wire design rationale. However, that isn't without problems either, see for example AF447.
@@MikkoRantalainen Always nice to lose a couple of hundred people to teach American how to train pilots and teach Airbus how to construct planes without flaws.
I remember seeing this crash on the news so soon after 911, and thinking : "Is this how it's going to be?"
9/11, not 911
@@kellyanderson7624 stfu
@@kellyanderson7624 O.k. Captain Obvious, I think we get that part.
"You alright?" "Yeah, give me a few more seconds. I just about have this thing broke off."
When the captain asked the F/O if he was alright, that's when the captain should've taken over flying the plane. Naturally, after this horrific crash, they modify teaching pilots the correct way to handle the airplane when flying into wake turbulence. I still believe they could've waited a little longer before taking off after the first plane took off. R.I.P. all who lost their lives on this flight! Extremely sad to watch.
@CJ Jackson The F/O had a history of being overly aggressive with the rudder controls. The fact that his inputs caused aerodynamic forces to exceed the limits of the tail shows how severe his response was to the wake turbulence. They could have waited longer before departing but the turbulence was manageable. If he was smoother on the controls the plane would have flown through it without any issues. Bad piloting as a result of bad training.
Oh wow! One of my mom's friends from Sunset Park, Brooklyn died on this flight. I'm half Dominican, and as kids we'd always go to DR. Crazy how I just stumbled on this right now bc I never knew what caused that plane to crash. I remember that something happened to the rear rudder but that's all. I worked three blocks from the WTC and watched the second plane hit the south tower and remember this accident bc the initial reporting was how they were looking to see if it was another terrorist downing.
AND YOUR SAYING WOW?!
2:43 not even a video about Boeing but that is the most beautiful plane ever
@@louisxvii2137 Racist POS.
Live near JFK.. Nevrr forget this.. And the Boeing 747 is breathtaking hope to fly in it one day
@@twiittter This is your daily reminder that Islam is not a race.
@@twiittter Heheh. I don't care about the OP's statement. My response was solely intended to correct your derangement. That crap is so not viable anymore, and I just though you should know.
Then american airlines got rid of the a300 in 2008.
I do remember this crash very well - it was only a couple of weeks after 9/11 so everyone was extremely worried this was a repeat. RIP to everyone who lost their lives,
"Excessive use of rudder" and pilots at fault. Perhaps Airbus needed a message stamped on the rudder pedals stating "Applying full rudder will cause rudder to fall off" tragedy would not have happened.
Good idea but any pilot would know that you shouldn’t do that
I knew a lady on that flight. Never found her remains only a picture at the wake.
It was roasted into ashes
Wasn't this whole video about avoiding the wake?
Sorry, I can have a morbid sense of humour.
Unfortunately,there are little to no remains to find after a crash like this,just because of the speed of impact. I read about what happens to the human body during a plane crash,and what types of injuries are found. According to what I read (I wish I could remember the site I was looking at), a body was considered "complete" if 75% of it was found. It was traumatic to read,let alone either seeing,or miraculously surviving, such a thing. So sorry for your loss
Although the First Officer did over react, it's scary to think that a few movements on rudder pedals can make parts snap off an airplane. You would think aircraft would be designed in a way which meant this wasn't so easy to do
Scott1433 it was. But nobody would have foreseen hard rudder movements in turbulent air adding to the forces. Also nobody ever before did full deflections one way then another
@@tomstravels520 given that was the failure of a B-52 stabilizer, it most certainly should have been foreseen.
Stephen Villano that wasn’t pilot induced, that was the flaw of the b-52 being used for high speed low altitude flying which it wasn’t designed for and overstressed the rudder bolts. The bolts were strengthened
They can go through extream punishment on testing but, for some reason not this one. seems it can not take just a little and, being a 767 same exact plane from 911, tearing apart NYC and killing more people the odds are not be in Favorable .
trafficjon400 this wasn’t a 767 it was an A300. Did you watch the video? It even says airbus in title
Watch a TH-cam video, see the news, and suddenly you are an aviation guru with extensive experience and academics in flight training and aeronautical engineering. Gotta love internet "experts".
1:23 - That's a pretty impressive way of connecting up the towbar!
sad to realize this crash was avoidable in multiple ways but it still happend
Airbus being the biggest reason.
If I’m the PF, I don’t need anyone to help me fly the airplane. Very dumb move. How they allow the FO to perform panic maneuvers indiscriminately Is beyond me. Get your feet and your hands off the controls. I’m flying this airplane and I need no assistance
@@alhanes5803 Is it any wonder why aircraft enthusiasts call them Scarebuses?
@@JSGirl09able
Not at all Honey.
The scarebus clowns love holding up for then though huh... 😎
I wouldn’t say he was *badly trained* though coz it makes it seem like it was an individual problem when really the airline itself was at fault for offering that sort of training to their recruits 🤷🏼♀️
Agreed
How can you put responsibility upon a pilot whom followed the company's training. And what about the manufacturer of the Airbus? Strengths and weaknesses need be discussed. Clearly airline management was not doing a responsible job.
Thomas Quinn everything has a breaking point, I’m not sure Airbus is to blame, especially since the training went against Airbus manuals. I largely blame the training, but: maybe they should have waited another minute or two since at least the FO was concerned. The pilot could have taken over and maybe the outcome would be different.
He was badly trained by his airliner. All of the above is correct
@@e.j.1991 Exactly. "Badly-trained" implies training failure...
I remember when this happened just weeks after 9/11 and everyone thought it was another terrorist takedown at first.
The Queen of the skies, the legendary 747, would never have lost a tail from overly aggressive rudder inputs.
The Captain in Command,should have overtaken it...
My bet is the composite tail was having separation issues before the FO applied aggressive inputs.
^^^^ THIS. The mishap aircraft had already been "written-up" for a yaw-damper malfunction in Miami earlier in the week. Lack of "nondestructive composite testing" mandated by the FAA. The lugs were already weakened.
Taking off after large and heavy aircraft is always a judgment call about how long to wait for their wingtip vortices, bi-products of lift, to dissipate. As an aircraft only begins to generate wake turbulence after lift-off, smaller planes can sometimes avoid the wake turbulence of larger planes ahead of them by lifting off at a point on the runway considerably before the heavy did.
Kind of eerie that this occurred two months almost to the day after 9/11.
May the victims of AA587 RIP. ❤❤
I was in the Air Force during the cold was as a crew chief on the KC-135. We had 13 aircraft on alert, with a max fuel load on each aircraft. In case of war, we had planned on launching all 13 planes from the same runway, nine seconds apart. Each plane, immediately after takeoff, would make a left or right turn, seeking clean air. We tried a three ship takeoff once. Planes were half full of fuel and 15 seconds apart on the runway. The number three plane banked right after takeoff, the literally fell out of the sky before recovering at a very low attitude.
The reason to launch the fleet so close together, was in case of war, nukes would impact the base within 20 minutes, and we wanted as much distance as possible between the base and the planes.
@S K what the hell is wrong with you
@S K Says you who can't word a sentence properly
I watched a documentary on this and let me tell you, every single fact was correct. Good work!!
Tacopanda1234 I think you ment to say that the documentary had the facts correct, this video beats anything I've seen on television
I am at the edge of my seat. What up, I am up in the air and don’t know what this is coming down to. NO Spoiler Alert yet...
You left the Part Out about how you could do Rudder pedal applications in just about any other Passenger Airliner in the Sky.....And the Verticle Stablizer would stay attached to the Airframe....Pilot did nothing wrong....Aircraft was at fault...
@@frankieford7668 Nope, FO did everything wrong. The aircraft exceeded its design by a factor of 100%. FO was a jerk who refused to change his style despite being instructed by several pilots. Also, AA's training was against the manufacturer's guidance.
@@poruatokin
You can use rudder pedals in any manner required on a boeing aircraft without vertical Stabilizer separating from the fuselage...it should be programmed into flight computer so that its impossible to damage airframe at higher speeds....This is done on all aircraft including fighter jets...F22 could put pilots unconscious if it wasn't computer limited at speed...All modern engines are Rpm limited by enging computer....
This is a common industry practice....
Valuable lessons are always learned from air crashes.
Valuable lessons are always learned from any crisis.
@@schawnettarobinson8584 talking about correcting the cause of an aircrash. Flying is extremely safe in 2021 because after every crash it was throughly investigated and things corrected to prevent the same thing from happening
@@jaymorgenthal9479 I understand. Air plane crashes are very rare. Air crafts are very safe. There are valuable lessons when they do happen. In addition, there are valuable lessons in every tragedy.
Turbulence scares the $%#@ out of me. I always think the wings are going to fall off 😜
Yes, but they never do and planes follow behind quite frequently, I have a hard time with this explanation.
You should change the title to " How AA's training caused this Airbus to Crash into New Yowk City" or something like that.
LOL I LIKE THAT 😂😂
yep. So terrible. The guy went to a non mandatory course to better himself and he ends up learning something that killed him. There should be pressure regulators on the system though. Poor design.
chalk more dead bodies up to AA's criminal negligence, and kid glove, NTSB reaction to it
@@dsanalysis5013 I will never fly on an airbus. The company has sloppy work like that all around. If my high school engineering class could realize we needed a limiter on our steering for a pedal powered cart. Then fuck aerospace engineers should already know
@@timbrwolf1121 ya really want to make a list of what boeing engineers should know, but failed to design their plane properly? if i read this list without thinking, i d say i ll never fly boeing. but i do...
so... full use of the rudder 3 times and the tail comes off ...???
Shoddy airplane. Airbus and American swept it under the rug and conveniently blamed the man unable to defend himself (i.e., the pilot).
@@vegasgirl3538 Shoddy airplanes, those with structural limits. Imo we should build them in blackbox case material so they never break.
The rudder was fully deflected five times, not three. With every full deflection, the load on the tailfin increases. The strength of the tailfin was not a factor in the accident. In fact, the fin broke off WELL beyond the design and certification limits.
@@nicov1837 The design and certification tests are way too relaxed then. Way too relaxed below any form of safety standard. The airframe should be rated for more than 5Gs for sustained periods, or incorporate thrust vectoring at the least to assist in maneuvering.
Smaller jet fighters can pull off harder maneuvers at higher speeds, even larger vessels like warships can conduct more aggressive maneuvers without their rudder snapping off, and they're operating in a denser medium at that.
@@nicov1837 wrong. never has a tail fin broken off except on a airbus 300
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This is the one video I can’t watch properly because my father knew people on this flight. It hits close to home as someone from the Dominican Republic. I also had neighbors who passed away here as my mom tells me. May they all Rest In Peace.