The Lack of a heat pump in the new model unironically makes the old model the better car, as a heatpump is SOOOO much more energy efficient, without one you will notice a large mileage loss upon using heating, with one you will barely even notice any mileage loss.
Just got my 2 LR last week. Absolutely nothing you need missing from this car. Screen size works fine for Waze on car play. Performance is stunning I’ve not bothered taking it out of Eco mode yet. Car is quiet and comfortable. Best EV you can get under the govt. grant ceiling in my view.
I'm just looking to order the 2 but concerned about whether there is any lumbar adjustment on the manual seats. Does yours have lumbar support please? Are the seats fairly comfy?
@@angus04 just been out to the car to check and mine doesn't have any lumbar adjust. The fact that I had to check probably tells you that the seats are perfectly comfortable as is. I'm 6'4 and closer to 16st than I'd like and I do regular 4-5hr 200 mile runs in it without stopping. No problems whatsoever with it, its quiet, rides well, could be a bit more grippy but thats a tyres thing more than anything and its just a very easy car to drive long distance.
@@SteveJones-om6ks That's brilliant, thanks for your insight. Just got my order in. I'm 6'3" and similar build so really good to hear some real world feedback from an owner.
@@aniketsantani3912 I’m from northern England Aniket I can cope with a cold steering wheel and have natural insulation on my backside!!. Those, to me, are luxury items that haven’t made a huge difference when I’ve had them. The thing that I would say, having gone through a prolonged cold spell with the car now, is the lack of remote/app pre-heating control on the 2LR model is noticeable in its absence. It does knock back the battery a fair amount having to rapidly heat the car up when it’s frozen. Being able to start the process remotely would be very useful. Given that this is only going to be a factor a couple of weeks out of the year I’m not sure it’s a big enough problem, often enough, to make the extra spend on the 3 or 4 worth it. It isn’t for me. It does remind you you’re in the cheap version of the car though!.
Thanks jonathan, mine should arrive in 2 weeks. Don't like that piano black, got it in my Mazda and it's a terrible idea. Glad the badges have changed!
The 4+ model has seat heating both in the front and back. As for rapid charging, hmm, my 4+ can only do 55 kW/h. The dealership assured me that this is perfectly fine and they can’t do anything about it… I suppose Tesla and Volvo can charge much quicker! When we travel to Europe by car, we end up waiting for hours. (A Volvo owner could just hop to the restroom, grab a coffee, and be ready to go… meanwhile, we end up taking some food with us…)
Is that in the UK spec? I asked Kia about Wireless CarPlay today (1st Oct 2021) and they said no plans for Wireless CarPlay (nor 360 parking cameras) in 2022. Kia also took down the 4+ price today, perhaps they’re refreshing it?
@@JonathanPorterfield I’d missed that on the spec sheet. Be interested in a short video if you ever have time. Seems Kia are constantly tweaking the models.
@@PaulGodbehere Strange that they do wireless Android Auto / Carplay in eNiro when it's apparently only wired in the EV6 (that might be down to the region of the review I saw but I thought it was UK review).
Great comparison thanks! Having just ordered a 2 Long Range in Black this was the video I’ve been looking for as all reviews are either the 3 or 4 models. Is the interior door trim in the 4 Gloss Black where as in the 2 it’s the silver colour? Also, I think I prefer the body coloured handles but that’s just personal preference. Thanks
I leased my Niro EV EX premium last week, actually got one for my in laws and one for myself but there are some lack of features I'm not too happy about. Korean, Canadian, and European versions get LED headlights, some get surround view monitoring, and front parking sensors yet for US, even top trim model misses every one of those features.. I had to change headlight and fog lights with LED bulbs to remedy what I can but I'm not too happy with no front parking sensors nor surround view monitoring... Driving wise it has been satisfactory... I also just received 48 amp level 2 charger but Niro can only charge up to 32AMP speed...
In uk the 4+ can charge at 11kWs 3 phase AC Single phase is 7kws or 32 amps , so 25 miles per 1 hour charging , plenty fast enough for an overnight charge.
Yeah it really is bullshit, it seems the U.S is totally cucked in every regard when it comes to EVs, we get less of them and the ones we do get are almost always worse trim levels! Why???? Is it because of the stereotype of Americans loving their big gas guzzling cars & hating the environment or something??? goddamn like fuck off man, it seriously pisses me off as someone trying to look for a good EV atm.
Is that new badge standard on the 2 now then? It look miles better! Shame about no heat pump though - I thought that was standard across the e-Niro range. I was wrong!
Heat pump was a bad omission, 34 grand car heated by a 3 bar electric fire taking 30% of power on a cold day. The "heat pump" is just extra valving for the a/c to run in reverse.
@@philthompson1097 This is the point that always confuses me, it’s very simple and cheap to make a AC system into a heat pump system, even if they had to update the condenser/ evaporator size it would cost them buttons to do so with there economy’s of scale. Madness
To be fair, we locked this in before the price hike, got it at Nationwide Vehicle Contracts. Just checked, now the same deal is nearly £100/m more expensive, jeez!
Hmmm that’s really put me off the 2 TBH, I see heated seats a necessity for any modern car now. The heat pump being missing was a big surprise, No where on Kia’s website is it obvious the 3 / 4 get a heat pump and the 2 doesn’t ( apart from the very long full detailed spec list )
@@JonathanPorterfield I test drove the Ioniq 5 the other day, really really nice car but the heat pump for that was only available on the top trim and as a option ! I don’t see how something like the leaf and Zoe has them as standard, but these new model EV’s have them as a costly option 😑
Hi I got the top specs in a 2 but yes this car company penny pinches . no felt near the seat belt area to stop the rattling and no sound proofing to cut out the road noise but still glad I got it
@@JonathanPorterfield Yeah! I forgot But blame the importer, not KIA, because I have everything that you missed Norway vacuums northern Europe for e - cars because we have no tax or Vat on electric cars
The Lack of a heat pump in the new model unironically makes the old model the better car, as a heatpump is SOOOO much more energy efficient, without one you will notice a large mileage loss upon using heating, with one you will barely even notice any mileage loss.
Just got my 2 LR last week. Absolutely nothing you need missing from this car. Screen size works fine for Waze on car play. Performance is stunning I’ve not bothered taking it out of Eco mode yet. Car is quiet and comfortable. Best EV you can get under the govt. grant ceiling in my view.
I'm just looking to order the 2 but concerned about whether there is any lumbar adjustment on the manual seats. Does yours have lumbar support please? Are the seats fairly comfy?
@@angus04 just been out to the car to check and mine doesn't have any lumbar adjust. The fact that I had to check probably tells you that the seats are perfectly comfortable as is. I'm 6'4 and closer to 16st than I'd like and I do regular 4-5hr 200 mile runs in it without stopping. No problems whatsoever with it, its quiet, rides well, could be a bit more grippy but thats a tyres thing more than anything and its just a very easy car to drive long distance.
@@SteveJones-om6ks That's brilliant, thanks for your insight. Just got my order in. I'm 6'3" and similar build so really good to hear some real world feedback from an owner.
Hey Steve, Do you miss Heated Seats and Steering at all given the cold weather?
@@aniketsantani3912 I’m from northern England Aniket I can cope with a cold steering wheel and have natural insulation on my backside!!. Those, to me, are luxury items that haven’t made a huge difference when I’ve had them.
The thing that I would say, having gone through a prolonged cold spell with the car now, is the lack of remote/app pre-heating control on the 2LR model is noticeable in its absence. It does knock back the battery a fair amount having to rapidly heat the car up when it’s frozen. Being able to start the process remotely would be very useful.
Given that this is only going to be a factor a couple of weeks out of the year I’m not sure it’s a big enough problem, often enough, to make the extra spend on the 3 or 4 worth it. It isn’t for me. It does remind you you’re in the cheap version of the car though!.
Thanks jonathan, mine should arrive in 2 weeks. Don't like that piano black, got it in my Mazda and it's a terrible idea. Glad the badges have changed!
Top stuff as always JP.
Thanks pal 👍
Thanks .. Great info. Because I just booked today..
That space under the bonnet with the lack of heat pump is ideal for storing some bits and bobs if you create a sturdy box in place.
Not worth losing the heatpump though...
The 4+ model has seat heating both in the front and back.
As for rapid charging, hmm, my 4+ can only do 55 kW/h. The dealership assured me that this is perfectly fine and they can’t do anything about it…
I suppose Tesla and Volvo can charge much quicker! When we travel to Europe by car, we end up waiting for hours. (A Volvo owner could just hop to the restroom, grab a coffee, and be ready to go… meanwhile, we end up taking some food with us…)
Ive seen 76kW speeds from my e niro 4+ , at around 40% SOC for around 10 minuites , then it backs off to around 55/60 kW
Is the cruise control adaptive cruise control on the 2?
Great comparison. Should probably mention that Android Auto / Carplay is wireless in the 2LR
Ohhh i didnt know that ! 👍
Is that in the UK spec? I asked Kia about Wireless CarPlay today (1st Oct 2021) and they said no plans for Wireless CarPlay (nor 360 parking cameras) in 2022. Kia also took down the 4+ price today, perhaps they’re refreshing it?
@@PaulGodbehere yes uk spec
@@JonathanPorterfield I’d missed that on the spec sheet. Be interested in a short video if you ever have time. Seems Kia are constantly tweaking the models.
@@PaulGodbehere Strange that they do wireless Android Auto / Carplay in eNiro when it's apparently only wired in the EV6 (that might be down to the region of the review I saw but I thought it was UK review).
I wish heated seats and heated steering wheel was standard on all EV’s.
Excelent, now i know to see the eat pump
The eat pump keeps you warm too 😋 🤣😉
@@JonathanPorterfield My 2014 Zoe has One... The "new" car may have.
Great comparison thanks! Having just ordered a 2 Long Range in Black this was the video I’ve been looking for as all reviews are either the 3 or 4 models.
Is the interior door trim in the 4 Gloss Black where as in the 2 it’s the silver colour?
Also, I think I prefer the body coloured handles but that’s just personal preference.
Thanks
Yes the interiors door trims on 4+ are piano black , and do show all the marks , and i agree , i prefer body coloured door handles too 😉
@@JonathanPorterfield Was the 2 in the video the Long Range model? Apologies if you mentioned it and I missed it.
Thanks
@@TheRealAdimo yes the long range 64kWh
@@JonathanPorterfield thank you
4 plus seems the one to get, thanks for review.
Thanks for the comments 🙂
I leased my Niro EV EX premium last week, actually got one for my in laws and one for myself but there are some lack of features I'm not too happy about. Korean, Canadian, and European versions get LED headlights, some get surround view monitoring, and front parking sensors yet for US, even top trim model misses every one of those features.. I had to change headlight and fog lights with LED bulbs to remedy what I can but I'm not too happy with no front parking sensors nor surround view monitoring...
Driving wise it has been satisfactory...
I also just received 48 amp level 2 charger but Niro can only charge up to 32AMP speed...
In uk the 4+ can charge at 11kWs 3 phase AC
Single phase is 7kws or 32 amps , so 25 miles per 1 hour charging , plenty fast enough for an overnight charge.
Yeah it really is bullshit, it seems the U.S is totally cucked in every regard when it comes to EVs, we get less of them and the ones we do get are almost always worse trim levels!
Why???? Is it because of the stereotype of Americans loving their big gas guzzling cars & hating the environment or something??? goddamn like fuck off man, it seriously pisses me off as someone trying to look for a good EV atm.
Is that new badge standard on the 2 now then? It look miles better! Shame about no heat pump though - I thought that was standard across the e-Niro range. I was wrong!
Standard on all e niro now and the 2 is new to the line up so has the new logo , and the 4+ have the old badge until the present uk stocks run out
@@JonathanPorterfield We have the new badge on our 4+ that we collected 1st October.
Heat pump was a bad omission, 34 grand car heated by a 3 bar electric fire taking 30% of power on a cold day.
The "heat pump" is just extra valving for the a/c to run in reverse.
@@philthompson1097 it unironically ruins ev's not to have one... what a shame.
@@philthompson1097 This is the point that always confuses me, it’s very simple and cheap to make a AC system into a heat pump system, even if they had to update the condenser/ evaporator size it would cost them buttons to do so with there economy’s of scale. Madness
I much prefer the new badging. Some cracking lease deals on these now.
Got the long range 2, 8k mpa in midnight black for £300/m!
@@Quickblog0 oh where from ? I’ve not seen any good deals on these atm.
To be fair, we locked this in before the price hike, got it at Nationwide Vehicle Contracts. Just checked, now the same deal is nearly £100/m more expensive, jeez!
@@Quickblog0 yeah this is what I’ve been finding ! Cheers for the reply though.
4+ Is smart cruise control over normal cc in 2
I believe the 2 still comes with radar guided / stop start cruise control
Can you get the 4+ E niro with the new style badges
Yes the 2022 MY are the new badges and the 4+ are starting to arrive in uk .
You have missed the sound... Krell versus 8 speakers JBL
Good point 👍😊
Hmmm that’s really put me off the 2 TBH, I see heated seats a necessity for any modern car now. The heat pump being missing was a big surprise, No where on Kia’s website is it obvious the 3 / 4 get a heat pump and the 2 doesn’t ( apart from the very long full detailed spec list )
The new kona also has the heat pump as an 'option' !
@@JonathanPorterfield I test drove the Ioniq 5 the other day, really really nice car but the heat pump for that was only available on the top trim and as a option ! I don’t see how something like the leaf and Zoe has them as standard, but these new model EV’s have them as a costly option 😑
@@dan123collins i agree , it's bonkers !
@@dan123collins nickel and diming, and gimping their vehicles at the cost of the consumer, as always stay classy megacorps.
Hi I got the top specs in a 2 but yes this car company penny pinches .
no felt near the seat belt area to stop the rattling and no sound proofing to cut out the road noise but still glad I got it
Does the 2 Long range have pre heating?
I have sililar trim like 2 and preheating didnt work. But it was software bug. I have updated and its ok now .
It's UK importer choice, not KIA's choice on spec. go to Germany or Norway to buy, and you get everything that you misses in UK
Germany or Norway vehicles are LHD !
We need RHD !
@@JonathanPorterfield
Yeah! I forgot
But blame the importer, not KIA, because I have everything that you missed
Norway vacuums northern Europe for e - cars because we have no tax or Vat on electric cars
@@bentthomsen1134 Norway , THE best place in the world to help folk into EVs a ditch ICE 👍👍👏👏
I have similar version like 2 but include 11kW charger. I thought that long rande niros have all 11Kw.
Only the 4+ has the 11kw on board ac charger
@@JonathanPorterfield I believe you, but it depends of country.
Old Zoes have 22 kW charge and a 22 kWh battery, fast forward to e-niro with 64 kWh battery and standard charge is 7 kW single phase. Poor show.
@@philthompson1097 but 260 mile range !
@@JonathanPorterfield and multi hour charging which could be slashed to a third. Bad design decision. Free 22 kW AC chargers near me. Frustrating.
Bit stingy getting rid of the rear vents for what is a good family car.
Is the Nero 2 push button stop/start ?
Yes
No JBL stereo (so no subwoofer), no front parking sensors and no climate control. Err....
Subwoofer in the boot? Couldn't see. More space for a Frunk!
No sub woofer in the 2
From my point, KIA did very stupid to have all those changes. (beside the badge)
It bought in the base model in the uk ( e niro 2 ) under £35k which means it has the maximum 'new plug in car grant' funding of £2500 off list price.