Top tip: The CPC (earth) wires should not be twisted together in the sheathing. They should be terminated separately in case one conductor became loose and not properly terminated it would not show up on an electrical safety test because it would show continuity even without a secure termination. You need to be able to tug each conductor separately to ensure a sound connection.
I have a couple of sockets on the skirting boards. The skirtings are 15 inch high. Not normal. Would I be ok to use this method to move the socket higher up the wall to let’s say approx 40cm higher.
Hi. Curious. I understand it’s a ring, but rather than putting 2 cables into the new socket, can you WAGO the 2 existing wires together and then just one other cable to go into the new socket?
That’s fantastic how did u know which of the two new cables fitted to which of the two old cables or does it not matter ? Fantastic video thankyou on behalf of everyone who has not said thankyou
As the wago's are self clamping and shouldn't need any further adjustment throughout their lifespan. A screw type junction box may become loose due to heat distress and vibrations. For this to be truly maintenance free a cable tire needs to be inserted through the front tab. This is to ensure anyone doesn't try to open it without the form of a tool. As it contains live conductors.
Hi, great video. I use Wago connectors and boxes all the time, they're excellent. Do you know if it's legal to have them under the floor (inaccessible) if all junction box are supposed to be accessible?
I think as long as its maintenance free (which wagos are) and in a suitable enclosure (with cords grips) its fine. They don't have to be in a wago box, you could put wagos in a choc box or junction box with compression glands.
If inside the box and under the floor or in a wall, they will be deemed Maintenance Free (and BS 5573 compliant I believe), BUT, you then have to downrate the capacity of the connector being used. For example a Wago 222 is rated at 24amps for 2.5mm T and E and will be downrated to 20amps.
Sorry not what I meant I saw the discription on which colour goes with which I mean there are two cables coming off the new socket it has an earth blue and a brown X2 The old one also has two cables (white) with earth black and red x2 (white cables how do you know which ones of the two white cables fits one of the two new gray ones or does it not matter ? Cher’s buddie fit the replie hope I’ve made sense
Hi Jono. Yes . You need to use the wago box. (The installer connectors need to be within a suitable enclosure. According to BS 7671, “every connection and termination must be enclosed irrespective of the nominal voltage”. The WAGOBOX junction box meet BS EN 60670-01 and BS EN 60670-22.)
No. If you can't access it it needs to be a "maintenance free" connection. E.g. like the wago spring levers in this video. A screw terminal requires "maintenance" to ensure it is tight periodically. The cables and terminals will naturally expand and contract with heat thus potentially loosening the screw termination.
You drilled the hole in the most dangerous place ..right under the nails you have to drill the hole centre of the Board nit enter of two boards a nail or screw could go through your cables are you actually qualified ?? Anyone watching ..do NOT do this get a qualified competent electrician to do your work he will test and certify it ANY diy work will result in your insurance nit paying out in the event of a claim
Brilliant, no re-takes on the filming, just a honest show of skills. Thank you. Peace be unto you.
Excellent, simple tutorial and very informative.
Thank You.
Top tip: The CPC (earth) wires should not be twisted together in the sheathing.
They should be terminated separately in case one conductor became loose and not properly terminated it would not show up on an electrical safety test because it would show continuity even without a secure termination. You need to be able to tug each conductor separately to ensure a sound connection.
Many thanks for your quick and comprehensive reply.👍
Would this be classified as a spur?
So you put the same colour wires trying to do an outside light so two lives go in one of the boxes
Have you done a video on extending a light switch cable so I can move a light switch please
Its the same really done it many times.
I have a couple of sockets on the skirting boards. The skirtings are 15 inch high. Not normal. Would I be ok to use this method to move the socket higher up the wall to let’s say approx 40cm higher.
Hi. Curious. I understand it’s a ring, but rather than putting 2 cables into the new socket, can you WAGO the 2 existing wires together and then just one other cable to go into the new socket?
Yes, one spur to a double socket is allowable for each terminated position on the ring.
But its much more acceptable to continue the ring or extend the ring...
Great video, very helpful.
That’s fantastic how did u know which of the two new cables fitted to which of the two old cables or does it not matter ? Fantastic video thankyou on behalf of everyone who has not said thankyou
old red wire is new brown - live , old black is new blue - neutral. Thank you for watching
Is this a safe thing to do using this method.
Would this connection be considered 'maintenance free' according to the regs?
Yeh mate
As the wago's are self clamping and shouldn't need any further adjustment throughout their lifespan. A screw type junction box may become loose due to heat distress and vibrations. For this to be truly maintenance free a cable tire needs to be inserted through the front tab. This is to ensure anyone doesn't try to open it without the form of a tool. As it contains live conductors.
Thank you very much sir 👍
one question instead of the two wires to the new outlet would it be possible to use just one wire and splice the 2 cables using the 3 way connector?
then you create a spur socket instead of socket on the ring but that is fine
Hi, great video.
I use Wago connectors and boxes all the time, they're excellent. Do you know if it's legal to have them under the floor (inaccessible) if all junction box are supposed to be accessible?
I think as long as its maintenance free (which wagos are) and in a suitable enclosure (with cords grips) its fine. They don't have to be in a wago box, you could put wagos in a choc box or junction box with compression glands.
If inside the box and under the floor or in a wall, they will be deemed Maintenance Free (and BS 5573 compliant I believe), BUT, you then have to downrate the capacity of the connector being used. For example a Wago 222 is rated at 24amps for 2.5mm T and E and will be downrated to 20amps.
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@@vikingofenglandhow did you work that out?
@@raj080288 I think I read that in the regs possibly but that was three years ago now 😰
Sorry not what I meant I saw the discription on which colour goes with which I mean there are two cables coming off the new socket it has an earth blue and a brown X2
The old one also has two cables (white) with earth black and red x2 (white cables how do you know which ones of the two white cables fits one of the two new gray ones or does it not matter ? Cher’s buddie fit the replie hope I’ve made sense
Really doesn't matter which grey wire connects to which white cable. They were in no specific order in the existing old back box.
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Hi,
Is the enclosure box needed by law if used under the floorboards? Or could the connectors be used on their own?
Best Regards,
Jono.
Hi Jono. Yes . You need to use the wago box. (The installer connectors need to be within a suitable enclosure. According to BS 7671, “every connection and termination must be enclosed irrespective of the nominal voltage”. The WAGOBOX junction box meet BS EN 60670-01 and BS EN 60670-22.)
You also need a small works certificate
Can they be placed into a regular metal two gang socket box?
@@stevieg7403 Yes as long as it's accessible for future maintenance and testing.
Make sure you isolate the ring main first, and don’t do this if you don’t have an approved voltage indicator
And a faraday cage, can never be too sure
@@danieldoyle7337 Wear wellingtons and rubber gloves in the faraday cage too.
And of course dont do this if you dont have a test meter and the ability to test the connections after and understand the readings
Is this legal in the UK?
Is it ok to spur off another socket in future from 1 of the Wago box
did you certify the extension to this circuit ???
Could've just done an unswitched spur to the new socket
Right👍
Those boxes should have been cable tied shut 👍
What is the point of the sleeves?
If you mean the earth sleeves, they are required by law.
To keep little copper arms warm during winter buddy.
What are those connectors and the box called?
Drew Telesca Wago connectors. Available on Amazon.
Do not think it is code in the US . I will stick with wire nuts and junction box .
By regs: if you can’t get access to it it has to be screw retained junction.
No. If you can't access it it needs to be a "maintenance free" connection. E.g. like the wago spring levers in this video. A screw terminal requires "maintenance" to ensure it is tight periodically. The cables and terminals will naturally expand and contract with heat thus potentially loosening the screw termination.
You have it the wrong way round. You can't use screwed terminal strips where there is no access
Lash up!
Need to rename, this how to REMOVE a socket, not move it.
He moved the socket...
You drilled the hole in the most dangerous place ..right under the nails you have to drill the hole centre of the Board nit enter of two boards a nail or screw could go through your cables are you actually qualified ?? Anyone watching ..do NOT do this get a qualified competent electrician to do your work he will test and certify it ANY diy work will result in your insurance nit paying out in the event of a claim
Far too slow. We need the basics not real time please