Indeed. It's a credit to Catherine that she was able to join the monarchy and aristocracy successfully. She and her family faced snobbery, even from William's friends, who mocked her mother's time as a flight attendant. She and the family also endured years of unkind treatment in the media. She has never looked for sympathy. Catherine is tough.
@@maryk.donovan7912 I feel bad for Harry as it is, but if he ever hits the wall of reality after having burnt his bridges with the RF, his situation will be even more pitiful. I think the RF would welcome him back (minus Meg), but what would happen to the kiddos? She rushed him right on through the process to permanently bind him to her. It would be better for him to maintain his obliviousness throughout his lifetime as the alternative would most likely become an even worse version of Living Hell.
Harry had to leave the army because he had failed to pass the exams to be promoted to the rank of major which every officer has to pass otherwise he has to leave on completion of 10 years of service.
I am so tired of the endless criticism of Charles, when Diana was no saint. She forced William, still a child, to be her confidant and shoulder to cry on. This hampered his relationship with his father, because when your mother weeps, you react. When she was gone, he was eventually able to see his father as a human - good and bad. The love between them is clear. The fact that he does not go on and on about his mom, shows he was able to move on. Harry, not so much. Meanwhile, William must have known about his mom’s multiple affairs. Charles had the love of his life, it’s time to move on.
😂yes her tampon as he stated he wish he could be 😂😂 that I'll never unhear so gross . All in their voice messages to one another. At least because of Diana's genes the boys were better looking then their croute father .
So head of the church, married for better or worse, didn’t appear to try to get her any help, and continued his affair, and didn’t have time for kids because he was so up in Camilas business.
Lucky old Charles. When you're a single Mom you do confide in your children about family matters, there's nobody else to talk to. Have some compassion for Diana too. She wasn't all bad. In fact she was the innocent party. A 19yr old unknowingly getting involved with two mature lovers who lied through their teeth about their relationship so that Charles could use her to breed an heir. I'd say she was the injured party.
Ironically, Harry & his pals used to mock the Middleton family by saying 'Doors to manual' in relation to Carol Middleton's previous job as cabin crew., a lowly position in life by their standards. And here we are - Catherine has become the consummate royal, through patient hard work, while Harry is out in LA playing second fiddle to his wife. If I believed in karma...
@@helentaylor7132 Absolutely. All people have to do is look up what happened to the Hapsburgs for proof of what inbreeding does. Catherine's family also injected a good dose of intelligence, common sense, and family values, like you said. All good things, and things that Meghan didn't bring.
Oh my word! This just reminded me of something - I read an article today about Doria Ragland and her past…the story now is that Thomas was away too much so Doria begged to move to LA so he’d be home more, so they did. But it didn’t work out. Then Meghan ended up living full time with her father (no dates are ever given of course) and it says “while Doria pursued her career” but another article says she went away to get her education…anyways, the article about pursuing her career says she moved away and opened her own travel agency that ended up going bankrupt…then she moved back to California in 2011 when her father died bc she inherited his house and that’s when she went to college and got her degree in psychology with social work…says she graduated in 2015 and went to work at a center there after becoming licensed in 2016 because you have to do 2 or 4 years of work supervised…but then she quit that in 2018 to move to London to be with Meghan and Harry! What’s wild is the following: 1. The article about her travel agency also mentions she was away often because she was a flight attendant for her travel business. Now my dad was a travel agent and owned his own travel agency in the 80s through the mid-2000s, he wouldn’t have been able to be a travel agent AND a flight attendant- that’s just not possible! He couldn’t book people’s trips then jet off as a flight attendant bc back then if people had issues with tickets or hotels rooms or whatever, my dad had to be available to help! This was before booking vacations online was a thing, he had to work out flights with the airlines and call hotels and arrange cars by phone, there was no online booking so Dorian story is sketchy, yes - but is she WAS a flight attendant- then that’s same as Cathrines mom was so Harry making fun of her mom for that career makes him a jerk and a hypocrite bc he thinks Doria is the Buddha…never hear him saying Doria and Markles were low bc she was a flight attendant. 2. Catherine’s mom built a successful business that made a great profit and she just retired and sold it for millions…Doris’s business (travel agency) flopped and she filed for bankruptcy and ran back to CA. So Harry is twice a hypocrite! 3. Meghan talks about how she’s so compassionate bc she grew up watching her mom do social work…hahah! Doria didn’t do “social work” until 2016 and then she did it for 2 years and quit and her license expired and never has been renewed! Meghan was s grown ass woman living in London in 2016, she didn’t grow up watching her mom do social work - the damn liar! 4. Doris’s now teaching a jewelry making class at the local community college where she lives in her inherited house in CA! Her supposed “social work” business is some sort of shame for money laundering bc you can’t find any info or clients nothing online about it…and it lists Doria as the CEO, VP, and secretary and no other employees or board members! How she teach a jewelry making class at s college if she’s supposed to be doing social work? Hmm… Doria is a scam artist and many say she went to jail for 5 years for tax evasion involving her travel business! That’s what happened and now she’s mooching off Meghan and H and helping them launder money and run their Mary-Jane growing business (imo).
You believe in karma? What ever has Catherine done to become so ill then? I believe awful stress can cause illness. I wonder who caused Catherine's and Charles ????
Nonsense. I lost my Mom at 4. My Dad worked his ass off to keep a roof over and food on. There were never cozy moments. My Dad is my hero. Period. Full Stop
As i get older, i realise how much of a stabilising force the Middletons have been for William. He is very close to the family and they give him what he didn't have in his own family unit. You can see it in how they are trying to raise their 3 kids. Harry was always troubled but couple that with a partner who can't deal with that in a mature way and you get what we have now. The whole story is fascinating as it is history happening in real time
The fact he met Kate, moreover at the very beginning of his adult life, has been absolutely crucial in William’s life and development and growth. He owes her a lot.
Agree completely. Catherine is his rock, and good on him for being able to take that in and lean on her. Lots of us who grow up in chaos perpetuate it in our adult lives because it’s all we’ve ever known. It takes a lot to embrace a different way of being and that’s very much to William’s credit. If Harry had found a steady, emotionally mature partner, I think he’d be a different person now.
I think that's true, but I also know that Harry and William have had different characters from the beginning. Look at their school grades for instance. William chose Catherine and not someone more like Meghan because he's got a much steadier head.
@@robinanna5531And in an interview, William said he wanted his mom’s death to “make” him, not “break” him. (I’m only at the beginning of her video, she may say this).
I disagree..the whole nature vs nuture…Harry was born a mean spiteful, jealous person! It’s not because his mom died nor the what ever else he whines about.. We are seeing the real Harry!
I remember it being reported at the time that Diana was furious that the boys had invited Tiggy to some sort of family thing at school rather than their embarrassing mum (who can blame them), and she insisted Charles got rid of Tiggy after that. She seemed like a very emotionally selfish mother
If you want to know just how despicable diana was to tiggy go get the the official inquest of bashir & BBC shady dealings . Diana accused tiggy of being with child with charles child & tiggy sued the press & threatened to sue diana who leaked the story to the press & yes tiggy won her lawsuit ! Diana was not mentally well .
Wow. People has forgotten all the times he spent with his children. I remember seeing so many photos of him and the boys enjoying themselves. NO FAMILY is perfect but it does not give one an excuse to behave so inappropriately
Tom Bowers has made it clear that he doesn't like Charles, and will slip a critique into interviews whenever he gets a chance. He has recently started on Catherine too. 🫤
The statements about her finding comfort from helping less fortunate people is the exact model of 12 step programs and getting to the point where you can do for others keeps you focused on anything other than your problems.
Correct, Diana’s grandmother betrayed her daughter, Diana’s mother, in their divorce by taking the Earl Spencer’s side against her daughter. The grandmother was also the one who, with help from the Queen Mum, pushed for the marriage of Diana and Charles. That granny was a piece of work, more concerned with titles and money than her own family ties.
I believe that because Harry acted like a 13 year old boy, everyone coddled him including the Queen and his father. The Queen thought he was funny and fun to be around. He was his father's dear boy. William did learn the important lessons from his mother's and father's life. He learned that Diana had courted the media when it suited her but couldn't get rid of them when she didn't. He understood that there had to be a relationship with the press but you can never let them in to far or they own you. He fiercely protects his homelife privacy.
100% about Africa! I have ALWAYS thought she purposely set up that "charitable" trip to Africa with a hairdresser, photographer and make up person in tow just to eventually brag about it to Harry as everyone knew how much he loved Africa! She was smart and thought ahead should she get the opportunity and meet him one day. BUT, i have now even reconsidered if Harry really liked Africa. I am doubting it as this is where one of his girlfriends was from so he went with her several times during that relationship. See Harry was ALWAYS a follower, NEVER a leader. It's been said that he fully follows a girlfriend and adopts her lifestyle to his. I think the guy is lost and also doesn't have an original thought in his head just like his wifey. Don't underestimateMeghan. SHE IS VERY CALCULATING!
This chapter makes me love and admire William more. Catherine’s influence helped him, I’m sure but he turned into a wonderful man and a genuine prince.
H saying they were putting out stories about him to cover up for PW’s bad behaviour: Look, if PW in a totally wasted state went around punching photographers we all would have heard about it.
Absolutely. The press would be more keen to report about Williams misdemeanours than Hs just because he’s heir. It’s very easy to judge ‘parenting skills’ when you have no idea about the British upper classes and, while you may not like it, all the children would’ve been supported by a wider ‘family’
@@marybalding1435H made is so easy for the media to put out content about him. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. H crying and moaning the media keeps telling all the dumb stuff he’s doing. Either: A) stop doing dumb stuff B) do it completely by yourself so no one can witness it. The whole extended family probably have put up with a lot of crap H has done over the years. I’m sure there has been a lot of talks during breakfasts, dinners and social gatherings where they wish H would just pull his head in. But that’s what most families do. Black sheep get discussed because they hope it won’t happen in their direct family unit.
No none of his previous girlfriends seemed to think so even with all the trappings they ended the relationship even though he says otherwise but we know he is a noted liar one said she didn't like it he way he treated people these ladies in my opinion had lucky escapes
@Cheere Denise A "frog" is an insult that the French are called by Brits. Its because the French are known to eat frogs legs snails, (escargot to name them properly) also, but as Harry called the barman a "fucking frog" it can be assumed the guy was a French man and Harry was insulting him because of where he came from‼️😉🇬🇧❤
Diana fired Tiggy. During the separation period and after the divorce, Harry and William became so close to Tigg, that Diana allegedly felt she threatened her status as mother.
I think your assessment of Harry being enabled to do the absolute least but get away with the most because they feel bad for him is spot on. I think that Charles was the best father he knew how to be-& I agree with you that Charles & Diana were oblivious to the damage they were inflicting in their children because they were selfish. Diana turning William, a literal child-into her confidante & “defender” is disturbing, inappropriate & sad. I think that William has a less idealized version of Diana than Harry does. Harry has turned her into a Saint which we know she was not.
My mom & I (we're American) used to watch the news together growing up. She'd say "That Prince Harry is an ornery lil sh*t, ain't he?" while laughing amused (at times bemused) at his antics. My mom said "Yup, they're gonna have problems with THAT boy!" But, my mom just figured he was taking advantage of the fact that he, HARRY, could do WHATEVER he wanted, WHENEVER he wanted with little to no consequences cuz he didn't have the added RESPONSIBILITIES that William did. Harry's emotional/ mental abilities and SEVERELY underdeveloped. NO insight of his own self. NO foresight into the important things in life. Absolutely an absurd man-child he's turned into!
I do agree that is wrong for a parent to lean on children for moral support. That goes double when the complaint is about the other parent. Children deserve to have a childhood and both parents. It is cruel to ask a child to split their loyalty. On the flip side, there were not many Diana could confide in. The palace was complicit in Charles' adultery. Nobody protected his wife's interests.
Yes, spot on 1000%! Said perfectly and of course Harry idolized her - she never told him no and gave him whatever he wanted, and William shielded him from her fits…Harry admits he doesn’t remember much of his mom so he never registered her crying or manic tantrums, he probably just recalls her buying him whatever he wanted or figuring out how to get it to him and babying him! And he wants to perpetuate that feeling bc he never saw a grown up woman acting as a mom, he just had his mom acting as his best friend and showering him with gifts and praise and he could do no wrong. Part of that was she wanted to win the boys to her side - probably saw Charles as coming out the winner in their divorce as he was still going to be king, he ended up w his true love, he had his parents and family, money, fame, purpose…Diana was floundering and had always depended on the men in her life to entertain her and provide, she had not idea what to do with herself but she didn’t want Charles to win everything so she tried to win the boys to her side. It’s sad really.
@@valkyriesardo278Diana’s sister was married to the Queen’s private Secretary and lived in an apartment in Kensington Palace but Diana didn’t want to have a close relationship with her which is very odd
Di always had her eye on Charles,a man that danced with Diana at her sister's wedding said Diana belittled her sister's wedding as a low budget affair proclaiming her wedding would be a regal over the top at affair at Westminster Abbey.@@Ariadne-cg4cq
Diana out a lot on William from what I’ve read. She would go to him crying for support and complain about how terrible Charles was. It makes sense that he was upset at Charles. She was trying to turn him against his father.
And may I add, you DON'T as a PARENT dump this sort of emotional baggage on your child! William was only about 10-13 years old at the time. William is one strong man.
U don't know if she wanted to turn him from his father. She just needed someone to talk to and there were few she cld trust. So, unfortunately her eldest son got the ear bashing. U know life isn't always straight black and white. Emotions, education, experience etc all influence pple as they grow.
My understanding that Diana was the reason that Tiggy was removed. Diana was very jealous of both boys' relationship with Tiggy. She also accused Charles of having a romantic relationship with Tiggy. Diana was jealous of everyone. I agree with your thought that what Diana did with using William as her confidant is evil! It is about the worst thing you can do with your child, and do many divorced women use their sons as the replacement for the husband. It is selfish beyond the pale!
It’s funny how the nanny’s name was Tiggy, and what do you know, MMs first blog was named “The Tig” 🙄obsessed much? I’m sure she was after H for a long time, she wants us to believe they just met by chance? Yeah right! It was well-orchestrated on HER part.
William had to go to bat for his mother because she continually expected him too. She was no better parent then Charles. William also was devastated when Diana publicly aired her grievances.
Diana lacked insight. My mother is historonic,narcissist and borderline. Has caused me much embarrassing scenes throughout my life. Never apologized. It is especially damaging when you are a daughter. You do not get the mothering a daughter needs. Mother daughter bridal shop moment turned into a embarrassing scene about my dress size reflected back onto her. She caused such a scene that she was almost kicked out of the bridal shop. No mother daughter moment to treasure. My mother is obsessed about her weight and mine. Diana was too.
Diana didn’t give Willian a heads up when she told the world she was having an affair with Hewitt! He was so devastated and ridiculed at Eaton he stay with the headmaster and his wife! He watched it at his school with his friends! Diana didn’t care or love!
Yes I agree with your thoughts on Diana. Her children were at school for much of the year, so she should have been able to stay away from men in the small timeframe she had her children at home. I hadn't thought of it before but yes, she was repeating the pattern of her mother walking away. I think much of Harrys anger is towards his Mum but he can't see it
I think the term Harry took the blame for William is wrong, Harry got caught because he always went too far. Also as first child maybe William was more cautious.
Totally agree with you, and I’m sick and tired of people saying that. You have never ever seen William falling out of a pub, fighting with a bodyguard, puking in the street, taking drugs. That is just absolutely crazy and I don’t like it when people constantly hark on about how Harry is having to take the blame for William, that is absolutely not true. By the time Harry was on the club H scene, William wasn’t even about anymore he was at university. I’m really sick of it, why are people constantly bashing on William. Harry was evicted out of a pub which is not that far away from me, the whole village knew about it, you never heard that from William. He was abusive to the bar staff, he was abusive to the landlord, that is why Charles turned his basement into club H. William wasn’t around anymore.
Diana had 2 lovers before Harry was born: Earl of Pembroke & Maneke. That is when Charles went back to Camilla. His friends pushed it bc Charles was so worn down & depressed by Diana's emotional drama's. AND 2 of Diana's later Lovers were MARRIED & she called them AT HOME where their Wife slept & his children played with their toys. FFS.
@@lornarettig3215 Diana created a CULT around herself. It took me decades to figure out what I was witnessing & why I felt manipulated. Only after I experienced abuse form female friends for decades did I do the study - read 36 books. Her BPD was evident from the jump - BEFORE they were married. A BPD is so emotionally extreme & labile they can be having fun one minute & then scream at you like a Rabid Banshee or in a puddle of tears the 2nd. IF you gave them your left kidney last week they could still unleash on you randomly over lunch for some perceived slight. But Diana had that exquisite fragile quality like Marilyn Monroe which made them so compelling. Monroe had BPD also.
@@pamelacole2756 YOu may be right Dr K was not married yet - & I have also thought that it was Dodi's FATHER who pushed the relationship - even purchased Edward & Wallis home in Paris - which is where they were headed that fateful night. Maybe Father & Son felt her pulling away so insisted she see the pad he had bought for them. Al Fayed was probably involved in Arms Dealing bc his purchase of Harrods was in cash - as were other acquisitions. The Idea to send them to Hollywood, Dodi being a "Producer" and set up "Charities" was all possibly money laundering.
It wasn’t just that H lost his mother but his father was being vilified and blamed (unfairly in my opinion) by the press and the British public for the marriage breakdown. I think you have to take into account that Tom Bowers doesn’t really like King Charles and this colours his opinion. Apparently Tiggy left because Diana was jealous of Tiggy, even accused her of having an affair with Charles which was wrong and hurtful. I expect I’ll get flack for this but I’m fed up with Charles being blamed for everything
i too feel charles was an east target for blame and camilla - i feel they are suited - diana was not queen material as she was too vain like her ghastly daughter in law !
Me too! I felt it strongly at the time - I nearly wrote him a letter of support because the media seemed so brutal and biased towards Diana. Tom Bowers has shown by his snide comments in recent interviews that HD doesn't like Charles, and seemingly doesn't care for Catherine either.
Agree, Bowers is always trying to find something wrong with William and Charles. I think King Charles realizes Harry has the same mental problems as his mother.
It’s wild to me that she acts like that to people. I mean she was pretty enough and met enough connected people that should have been able to at least hit B-List levels. I guarantee that word spread behind the scenes about her behavior and that’s why she couldn’t get better opportunities. We see time and again that she hustles pretty hard and there are plenty of bad actors who still gets decent roles. Her behavior was and is her downfall.
She's not even an average actor, but thought/thinks she should be in A-list movies. Background extra maybe, but she'd ruin the scene by looking at the camera.
Exactly that. It’s not her being biracial or even her lack of acting talent it’s her attitude that she thinks she’s better than anyone. It is almost a Messiah complex but she treats people so badly. She just thinks she deserves so much more than people are giving her
more than any other industry, it seems like Hollywood is at least 50% who you know and your reputation, the other half, or less, your actual talent. i don't have personal experience in this area beyond taking a filmmaking workshop years ago, and some classes about TV production, but what every teacher emphasized, over and over, is that on set everyone has a part, no one is above anyone else, and if you don't behave yourself you will trash your reputation and people in the industry *will* find out, so good luck getting work after that.
I think people who have second families figure it is easier to start again than go through the difficulty and pain of working things out with their first family.
If only Harry met a good girl and kept working on the Invictus game, honoring his mother's life and work in Africa, in hospitals and all over the world. He couldve been a great working Royal everybody wouldve loved. Instead, he married Megain 😐
Maybe I’m wrong but I think Charles was caring enough to let his kids hate him because he knew they needed adore to their mother. Diana had to be adored to feel loved. He was definitely the wiser of the two parents and he was counting on the kids growing up and gaining the clarity that normally comes with that. What he didn’t foresee was the tragic death of Diana, greatly magnifying the dynamic, and the unfortunate reality that Harry is in incapable of such mature insight.
Charles was too busy with pleasing Camilla. He has never had the reputation of being a good father. He was stand offish to everyone but Camilla. For whatever reason, she did it for him.
I felt the same and totally agree. Diana, despite the numerous documented affairs even while married, was seen as the devoted mother. Charles was vilified, in large part because of the Diana mystic. I respect C & C for their long standing love and just getting through it. I pitied Diana because of her immaturity and lack of education her family, especially her grandmother, offered her up as the virginal sacrifice. Thankfully she did do so much good for so many due to her emotional empathy.
@CornbreadOracle, that was well said, and I agree. I also think Charles did a lot behind the scenes he hasn’t been given credit for. I suspect Harry was ungovernable at a very early age. Diana took him to therapy for behavioral problems very early and wanted him to attend a special school, not Eton. I think Charles also tried to give Harry different potential forward paths, agriculture and farming as one example. He didn’t qualify for the Army, but they paved the way for him.
It's not going to be any different when she starts working under William Morris Agency. They are one of the largest and most prestigious agencies in Los Angeles, CA. If Meghan thinks she's going to get away with treating people this badly, she's got another thing coming. They will hand her her ass!
Reminds me of "doctor shopping." People with personality disorders change doctors frequently when the current doctor doesn't agree with them. I think the medical term is "peregrination." People with Munchausen by proxy do this doctor shopping. M is agent shopping. She has always been connection shopping, next boyfriend shopping audience shopping, etc.
I think Diana's idea of prioritizing her boys was turning them into the men in her life; oversharing with them, relying on them for support, and dumping her emotional trauma on them. Chasing after adult male companionship was a lesser offense, and might even have spared her sons additional damage.
@@lornarettig3215 No, neither have I. It may have been immaturity, but I tend to agree with those who believe she had BPD. None of her many relationships lasted and by the law of averages it couldn't always have been the other person's fault.
The most astonishing thing is that after scheming half her life to snag a prince she proceeded to chuck it all up and return to her life of scheming. She had climbed that summit and knocked her own flag off it.
I remember vividly the events of Charles and Diana before their divorce, they were in the news all the time and it was obvious that Diana was showing the world what a wonderful mother she was, and I'm sure she was, but she told a story about how William used to push kleenex under the door when she was crying. SHE leaned on William whereas Charles, according to Diana, was actually closer to Harry. You're right both parents were extremely selfish and it was so horrible that they put their children in the middle.
I've never believed that story. Why would he need to push Kleenex under the door when there was toilet paper and I'm sure Kleenex already in the bathroom. 🤨
@@Ciara1594 perhaps, if true, it was feeble gesture by a adolescent that just 😢 know what to do. Pushing klenex under the door was a gesture. Not a practicability. But you’re tight. So much garbage and innuendo swirling around
@@Ciara1594I think he was doing anything he could to help her feel better - she was either asking him for them to make him feel bad for her OR he wasn’t thinking about what was in there already but was doing his best and the only thing he really could do to comfort his sobbing mother - he’d be there with Harry and his mom a basket case locked in the bathroom…I would bet William was trying to comfort his mom, she wouldn’t answer him through the door but he heard her crying and as the oldest and protective of his younger brother he probably didn’t tell Harry but would try to distract Harry with play or tell him he’d handle it. I can relate bc my parents fought like wild cats and I’d hide in the closet with my little sister and sing her songs or play dolls or tell stories - anything I could so she wouldn’t pay attention to their yelling and be scared…and I’d also try to get in the middle of them or disrupt them by yelling about their fighting to get them to realize what they were doing with two children there that were hearing and seeing it all. My sister grew up protected bc she was born with a deformity and eyesight problems, had brain surgery at 4 months old and had to wear glasses and eye patches and was teased and struggled, so my parents would excuse a lot of her behaviors - she was never mentally affected but her physical struggles made everyone excuse her behavior and she would get away with everything - I was the oldest and “responsible” for her…I’d do her after school chores for her just so she’d not get in trouble when my parents got home, at 12 I was the after school care for her at 7 years old and the helper with my grandmother who lived with us in the last years of her life. I can empathize with William and can see how Harry became what he is. My sister had to hit rock bottom in her 20s before she got right. After my folks constantly bailed her out of trouble, my mom finally took the therapists, counselors, bonds men, lawyers, police, etc. advice to let her hit the bottom to rebuild and that saved her. Harry has always been saved and so his bad behavior has perpetuated into his 40s. Until he learns that hard lesson from experience; he’ll never change. It’s hard to watch your kids/sibling go through that, especially after being their protector for so long.
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Well, I am convinced you are a better parent than most people who "raised" kids in the 70s and 80s😂. Adults didn't think about our little feelings back then...
Harry has Borderline Personality Disorder, comorbid with Histrionic & Paranoia. His mother suffered the same, but she also had exquisite qualities. Nobody understands BPD unless they have suffered a person with BPD in their life. There is an incredible book called, "Understanding the Borderline Mother" by Christine Ann Lawson.
I have a niece with BPD so I have some insight into the disorder and its effects on both the sufferer and the family. I also have family members who are mental health professionals and although they can't diagnose from a distance - rightly so because it would be unprofessional - their 'observations' tend towards Diana probably having BPD (or EUPD as it's now known). I would also agree that Harry ticks a few boxes for male BPD and/or a behavioural disorder.
@@pennylando3145 In Lawson's book, Diana is mentioned as is Sylvia Plath & Joan Crawford. BPD is also on a spectrum & not ALL BPDs will ruin your life -that depends if they are also obsessed with 'targets of blame' & are 'offence collectors' & vindictive. The Soap Opera, pity party, drama Diana kicked off was so dangerous by the time she got herself killed, that the Queen was forced to walk about studying the miles of flowers. It was like rubbing a dog's nose in her mess, like Queen was responsible for Diana's death? INSANE. It was shameful of historical British public to demand that. If it was France, the Queen would have been guillotined. Terrifying. Markle is just trying on the same story - "The Sequel, Starring Meghan Markle," but Diana did serve YEARS of empathy in her Charities & she like ordinary people. . Harry always had a dark rageful, vengefulness in him. As we say in Glasgow, "He is a "Shitey wee Bastard". Nice chatting 😃🥰
@@LathenHamlet Yes, quiet BPDs do have the capacity to self reflect & can want to heal. DBT is effective but it is a lot of hard work. I doubt he has it in him unless his life falls apart.
@@LathenHamlet Yes the Group Therapy is key. Mutual support & people can recognise the syndrome in others & they heal each other - keeping each other in the process.
Harry left the military because he failed the exam for promotion to the rank of major which everyone has to pass after 10 years in the military so he had no option but to leave.
I was shocked to read about the multiple lovers that Diana had. Also, she had more problems than Charles. She was devastated by her parents’ divorce. She threw herself down a long set of stairs when she was pregnant with Harry because Charles would not do as she wanted. Charles was raised by nannies. How would he know how to parent?
To be fair, though, Charles whinged quite publicly about the parenting he received. If he’d given so much attention to the issue to complain, he should’ve given at least equal levels of attention to his own parenting style.
Good episode. I totally agree with you about Diana and Charles being selfish parents. It is not a popular view about Diana-everyone always says how much she cared for her children. I thought to myself when she died-bringing her children on a yacht with her latest man and then going back without them were not the moves of a mother who put her children first. And then not thinking to put on her seatbelt? If she had put their welfare first, she would not have been running around Paris but would have been at home for them throughout their childhood. And confiding in William like he was a friend-very selfish. Maybe what Harry saw in Megan that was like his mother was that they were both selfish children? I do have a higher opinion of Diana, though, because she actually did quite a bit of charity work, and gave hope to many ill people. But as a parent? Sketchy at best. Megan is frightening in her ambitious self-obsession without any moral grounding. But the whole family situation is a lesson in how we must deal with the problems of our own childhood or they will be passed on and on and on. I wonder what problems the Sussex children are going to have to overcome as the next legacies of this dysfunction?
You do know throughout her life Camilla has been deeply involved with many charities , she just doesn’t invite the press along. When compared to Diana she has quietly done just as much. In addition she has been riddled with arthritis for at least the last 20 to 30 years due to osteoporosis. Physically she is pain every day. She says she shows pictures of herself to her children and grandchildren telling them to look at the physical difference in her before and after having osteoporosis. It runs in families and her mother got so bad that her ribs broke if someone tried to hug her. Don’t fall for the goddess Diana myth. She was just good at self promotion. Just before she died her star was very much on the wane , she had dropped a lot of her charitable work and people questioning the fact that she was always on holiday, without the boys , with Dodie.
Well said. Goodness imagine if Diana had chosen her boys over herself for a few more years? Been self sacrificing like a lot of parents are to establish a firm foundation for their children.
You are so right about them sharing too much with the boys. The thing that really gets me with Harry is when their mother died my family had recently been through a similar situation that made us feel like we went through it with the boys. On 24/6/97 so just 2 months before my sister in law suddenly passed away at the age of 38. Her children went to school and never saw her again apart from my 4 year old nephew who was with her when she collapsed and miraculously managed to call a ambulance where they told him to go and get a neighbour as my nephew didn’t know the address. My nieces and nephew were 15, 13, 7, 6 & 4 years old so when Diana died we totally relived everything with the boys but none of my brothers children behaved like harry! One thing that did happen though here in the UK was some of the children went to children counselling something that Harry actually said in a interview wasn’t available in the UK when his mother died. How come my nieces were offered it then. He is such a liar. Did he think nobody in the UK could easily debunk this!!
Oh my goodness! What a horrific tragedy!!! I am so deeply sorry your nieces and nephews had to survive that loss! How are they doing now, if I may ask? My heart just goes out to them in such a huge way!
@@cheeredenise thank you lovely 💖 they are all a credit to our family. They are all adults now as the youngest child is 30 this year! They are have fantastic careers and they never used their mothers death as a excuse to play up. So my brother could get back to work and have a life after his wife died I would look after the 3 youngest ones during school holidays and I didn’t want the 15 & 13 year old to look after their younger siblings. They were dealing with grief themselves without being stuck at home during school holidays looking after their younger siblings. I just didn’t want that for them and I had boys so my nephew spent most weekends with me and we would take him on holiday with us so the little ones had my mum and myself in the background to gently hug my brother so they had mother figures if they wanted but my brother did a amazing job. Some did need counselling and they took advantage of it as soon as they were struggling. We didn’t even need to suggest it to them they saw posters in school etc. funny isn’t it how harry says that he didn’t know if children’s counselling was available in the US around the time of his mother’s death but it wasn’t in the UK yet my sister in law passed away 2 months before princess Diana so he is speaking rubbish. Did he think that there’s no children in the the UK who never had counselling in the 90s or anytime after that date? Also something that totally annoys me about him and his lies that people constantly debunk is that his own mother was massively involved in Barnardos for heavens sake! Are you telling me this beans on toast headed freak had no clue of the resources available or that nobody around him suggested Barnardos when he was acting like a complete moron? I mean Of course King Charles weighed it up and thought it was better that Harry bombed around acting like Paul Gasgoine then it was to get him some help? Come on that sounds bonkers. Of course they would of helped him rather than spend their lives with him acting like a petulant Brastardo embarrassing everyone and humiliating the queen! I just can’t with this idiot when my nieces and nephew went through loosing their mother , some were a lot younger than him although to be fair my 4 year old nephew was probably more mature and these kids didn’t find every excuse to throw shade at everyone!!
The held him back for a year and he re-took the exam for Eton the next year which he apparently barely passed. It was not the right place for him but that’s where Diana wanted him to go and that’s where William went so….
This Prince of Dope, was an undesirably even as a prince he still couldn’t get someone stay with him… Until Megan, and of course he is like starving person in front of buffet…
In Spare and in this book, I keep wanting everyone to wake up and recognize how many times the Spare became the Heir. In Spare, Harry seems to think he is in direct lineage of all the kings of England, but the number of times the crown passed sideways or to a younger son or even to another family, means Harry SHOULD have been more seriously prepared. (Just look at his great great Uncle abdicating!!!!)
I think she wanted to be this century's Anne Boleyn. I think she wanted to get with William but if she couldn't make that work she would take Harry. She didn't realize that the only money he would ever have is what his father was willing to give him and eventually what William would be willing to give them. She felt they should have everything that William and Kate had and should be seen as equal to them. She was either ignorant of how monarchy works or she didn't care.
I doubt Markle has heard of Anne Boleyn. 🤣 Parallel entities for sure tho'. Unlike Markle, Boleyn was cultured & well educated, but like Markle she was an 'All or Nothing' schemer.
Being the narcissist she is I think she expected William to fall at her feet and worship her. Have you seen the way she looks at him in pictures where they are together?
I could see her marrying an Onassis type. Onassis didn't marry Jackie out of love, she was a trophy. He loved Maria Callas, the opera singer. He was a big, bad-tempered brute of a man and their marriage was miserable. It's been said that he was about to divorce her when he died.
I think he was absent in the standards of todays parenting, but that doesn’t mean his interactions with his boys when he was with them were negative. And we can’t hold people in the past to a modern standard. It’s unintelligent and it’s bad study of history, so I don’t mean to suggest I AM holding him to todays parenting methods (which have plenty of flaws too).I think he loved them as he knew how to do, and unfortunately sometimes love can be expressed as indulgence. Charles probably interpreted a heavy hand as being misguided, especially if he had resented the heavy hand that often fell on him growing up. I think the pendulum swung in the opposite direction as he worked to father his boys and in a desire to be gentle, he allowed wayward behavior hoping they would grow up eventually.
I'm the same age as Diana and bought the tabloids. I admired her fashion, her beauty and mostly, her compassion. I read a LOT about her since they got engaged. I feel bad for her, but she also was manipulative with everyone, including William. Shameful. Henry is a disgrace and like her in many ways. I wish their titles could/would be stripped
I have so much respect for you calling out Diana crap. People still have her as this innocent naive person. Whole I might give her thst when she met Charles or the arrangement was made. moving forward she was not innocent. I to this day still do not care for Charles because he was a more experienced and older man, but Diana came to the marriage with her baggage and was partly responsible for the breakdown of the marriage too.
Diana was diagnosed with a very painful personality disorder before she married. Both she and her sister suffered from an eating disorder too. Diana came from not just a broken home, but an abusive home - curtesy of her father. Diana's mother didn't bolt, she tried to keep the children with her, but her own mother (Diana's Grandmother) testified against her own daughter during the divorce because she felt the children should stay in the home of the titled father. Diana was badly damaged by her childhood. She became emotionally unstable, compulsive, erratic and enormously destructive. Her mood swings in a single day were bewildering. She herself suffered badly through her mental struggles, which also brought her a growing paranoia. Everyone around her suffered along with her. Diana told Charles fairly early on in their marriage that she had fallen in love with 'the love of her life', that they were lovers and she wanted a divorce. The love of Diana's life was her protection officer and they wanted to marry. Charles, according to reports, was shocked. He had thought at that time that they had both been getting through their problems and that both of them had been faithful. He couldn't believe she had taken a lover. They would never be intimate again. After talking it through, Charles agreed to Diana's request for a divorce and said they would talk with the Queen. When they were both out on a visit together news came through that Diana's lover had died in an accident. It was Charles who told her the news, before she could hear it over the radio as it was being broadcast by the BBC. Matters between Diana and Charles unravelled. This information was given by Lady Colin Campbell who wrote two highly acclaimed books on the life of Diana.
It’s interesting how much comparison the Markles make to Princess Diana being similar to MM One thing they clearly share is the desire to run their narratives/setting up photo shoots etc regardless of anyone getting hurt including their own children Yes absolutely similar in that way Love this book
Of course a lot of divorcing parents unintentionally cause their children suffer. And it is selfish but in the midst of difficulties that are breaking you mentally & emotionally, you don't realise the damage you're causing. You are surviving. I am not divorced but we had business failure that almost led to divorce and both of us came close to breakdowns. I feel immense guilt & regret for the period of time when the children witnessed our stress & weakness. I ideally we would both have done better. But we were in survival mode (my husband contemplated doing the worst). We managed to hold our family together and we talk to our now adult children about it. Charles & Diana were going through their troubles in the full glare of the world's media & judgement. I can find compassion for them in those circumstances.
The sad thing is I think Harry would've been better off being born a commoner. If he wasn't a royal he wouldn't have been coddled and protected and would've been forced to grow up and get on with it. Privilege is his kryptonite
Imagine having all that and then trying to trash and besmirch the whole family, the country, the institution and Her Majesty’s 70 year legacy. I don’t blame anyone for not wanting to live the royal life, or the English life, or for leaving. But the spiteful, vengeful nastiness (from both of them) is despicable
@@lynnerobinson8380 and @Mary Balding, fair question. But my point, in that context, was the life entirely bound up with living IN ENGLAND as a working royal family member. Not everyone's experience of English life obviously, but the life of someone who for the most part lives there, and doesn't have access to beaches, warm weather, wearing shorts most of the year and Cali-Hollywood-psychobabble types who just loooove you for nothing more than being a celeb.
The press definitely over amplified the Tampax story. Charles never said he wanted to come back as a Tampax inside Camila, what he actually said was “God forbid l come back as a Tampax” (meaning it would be pretty gross). Still an embarrassing conversation for a future monarch nonetheless, but their wasn’t any need to make it sound any worse than it already did.
Lol last comment. Without sounding like a monster, I have to say… if he said “I spent many years not wanting to grow up.” Then his childhood couldn’t have been that bad. I had an awful childhood including losing a parent; all I wanted to do was grow up and leave my house.
This chapter shows how people oscillated between feeling sorry for Harry and finding him to be entitled. Neither of which were good for him a bit like his traumatised todger. In spare he talks about Chelsea not being good enough for Grandma because she’s a patty animal and gives even less reasons why he decides against Cressida. Where it seems more like these were young women who had a good time in their 20s then grew up and realised Harry wasn’t going to and wisely moved on.
Sorry but even Diana said Charles was a good father, he use to come home and bath the boys, feed and read to them. Even Harry said Charles always sat with him stroking his check until he fell asleep when he was afraid of the dark. I watched another video where the lady said she watched the Markle family interview and at the end there were two people comentating about the Coronation, one was the Editor of Majesty, she actually said that she spoke to Diana before she died, it seems Diana told her that it wasnt Camellia who caused the breakup of her marriage it was the people around them.
The editor of Majesty is or was Ingrid Seward and she did, indeed, say that Diana had confessed that. Shame nobody said anything at the time because Charles was made the scapegoat for it all. I think Charles, the (then) Queen and Duke of Edinburgh all did what they could including staff and others in the Royal household, so he was surrounded by support, but Harry just seems to highlight all he negative ‘poor me’ and ‘not my fault’ views and thereby excuses his behaviour
53:55 Prince Sparrey didn't come up with the Invictus Games. It was the Monarchy (or the gray suits beyond it) which created the project for him. That's why he said he didn't want to be there and put it on to pleasing the queen. He's not even educated enough to know the meaning of "Invictus".
Thank you for the video, Cheere! You could be a therapist or a life coach with your insight into people's behavior. I saw a documentary on Diana the other day, and they said she used to call William "her rock" and would confide in him and ask his opinions. They even said she treated him like a "stand-in husband." That's kind of weird, and definitely putting too much on William's shoulders. But they also said that that might be why he seemed so mature even as a young college student. As for Meghan, I just saw Meghan Kelly, the journalist, say that she has a very good source who told her that even back when she was married to Trevor, Meghan had a vision board of herself with the Royal Family!! 😮 Wow!
Diana may have done incredible charity work, but she was no angel. She, too, like her daughter-in-law, threw the rf under the bus and courted the media herself. As for Tiggy, she was asked to leave by Diana because her boys were too close to their nanny, and I believe that didn't sit well with Diana.
I had a similar issue as William with my mum, crying to me about my dad and I will never forget the cruelty she inflicted on our relationship. Whether it was conscious or not doesn't matter, its manipulation of the cruelest kind to isolate a parent from their child. I was always out with my dad working on the farm as a youngster but by high school I couldn't have a rational conversation with him, it still hurts decades later but thankfully I was able to self reflect and see her behaviour. I don't believe she was malicious, like Diana, they were too emotionally immature to behave like an adult and take responsibility for their role in problems
None of us really know why Harry behaves as he does, but I don't fully agree with the view that everyone felt sorry for him and gave him a pass. Between the ages of 7-18, and for much of the year, Harry was at a boarding prep-school and then Eton, and it's not very likely that he would have been allowed to behave like a brat without consequences. These schools are very focused on results - which is what parents pay for - and prince or no prince, no matter how sorry teachers may feel for the child's circumstances, he or she cannot be allowed to become a disruptive influence. Harry was a problem almost from the moment he could walk, and his mother's over-indulgence didn't help. Harry himself has said on two occasions that his mother told him that he could do what he wanted, as long as he didn't get caught. I was shocked when I heard that, not only because it's terrible advice for a mother to give her son, but also that Harry didn't even realise that he wasn't exactly crowning his mother in glory. Still - even with that terrible advice, his prep school, Eton and the army should have been able to iron out the brat-like wrinkles, and the fact that they couldn't suggests to me that the problem may be that of a behavioural disorder. If you look at the list of indicators for 'behavioural disorder', Harry ticks a fair few boxes.
I read his book. He was allowed to get away with a lot of lazy and bad behavior by his own admission, so take it up with him if you dislike that information.
@@deborahlester4018 I can certainly agree with the lazy part, but no matter what Harry may say in his book - which from start to finish is hardly the last word in truth - I don't believe he would have been allowed to get away with a lot of genuinely bad behaviour. Ludgrove is a feeder school for Eton, Harrow, Winchester and other top schools, and parents pay for that. That type of school can't allow one child to get away with bad behaviour if it sanctions others for the same thing.
@@pennylando3145 SMH, have it your way. I taught Art at a feeder school for the ivy league. They learn early that daddy's stature makes people blind and deaf, while lesser mortals pay the piper. So, I will believe Harry here as it helps explain the otherwise inexplicable lack of personal accountability. We may agree to disagree.
@@pennylando3145 you’re right about the schools. People forget that these, Eton and the like, schools are full of children from aristocratic families. Harry would not have been that special so would have expectations upon him. I don’t think even William would get away with misbehaving. They would’ve made a point of treating the boys as much like each other as possible. And Hs book is so full of lies I cannot believe what he says
I really liked the point you made how Chelsy was aware of what was expected of her had she continued her relationship with Harry and so she opted out. This just confirms that she was an intelligent and self aware individual who made an informed choice. Whereas Meghan in her arrogance thought she could bend everyone and the whole institution to her will the same way she had Harry at her fingertips. Also imo Chelsy and Cressida simply didn’t think Harry was worth going through the trouble of taking on a royal life with him acting like the petulant, classless, entitled manchild of a prince.
He didn't admit in WAAAGH that his lack of academic qualifications barred him from promotion in the military? Did I understand that correctly?
Yes..
William found the right woman who was raised in a normal stable family, and was lucky enough that she agreed to marry him.
Indeed. It's a credit to Catherine that she was able to join the monarchy and aristocracy successfully. She and her family faced snobbery, even from William's friends, who mocked her mother's time as a flight attendant. She and the family also endured years of unkind treatment in the media. She has never looked for sympathy. Catherine is tough.
It's too bad Harry couldn't have married a nice woman with a nice family and strong family relation. Harry is still without a family to lean on
@@maryk.donovan7912 I feel bad for Harry as it is, but if he ever hits the wall of reality after having burnt his bridges with the RF, his situation will be even more pitiful. I think the RF would welcome him back (minus Meg), but what would happen to the kiddos? She rushed him right on through the process to permanently bind him to her. It would be better for him to maintain his obliviousness throughout his lifetime as the alternative would most likely become an even worse version of Living Hell.
@@helentaylor7132i can't believe there's still people that believes there's real kids 😂😂😂
Harry had to leave the army because he had failed to pass the exams to be promoted to the rank of major which every officer has to pass otherwise he has to leave on completion of 10 years of service.
I am so tired of the endless criticism of Charles, when Diana was no saint. She forced William, still a child, to be her confidant and shoulder to cry on. This hampered his relationship with his father, because when your mother weeps, you react. When she was gone, he was eventually able to see his father as a human - good and bad. The love between them is clear. The fact that he does not go on and on about his mom, shows he was able to move on. Harry, not so much. Meanwhile, William must have known about his mom’s multiple affairs. Charles had the love of his life, it’s time to move on.
😂yes her tampon as he stated he wish he could be 😂😂 that I'll never unhear so gross . All in their voice messages to one another. At least because of Diana's genes the boys were better looking then their croute father .
So head of the church, married for better or worse, didn’t appear to try to get her any help, and continued his affair, and didn’t have time for kids because he was so up in Camilas business.
Lucky old Charles. When you're a single Mom you do confide in your children about family matters, there's nobody else to talk to. Have some compassion for Diana too. She wasn't all bad. In fact she was the innocent party. A 19yr old unknowingly getting involved with two mature lovers who lied through their teeth about their relationship so that Charles could use her to breed an heir. I'd say she was the injured party.
@@milford8485no she wasn't the innocent party. I used to think that but she was pretty vicious.
The Spencer's aren't much in the looks department,if not for make up,hair dye , plastic surgery Diana would look exactly like her homely sisters...
Ironically, Harry & his pals used to mock the Middleton family by saying 'Doors to manual' in relation to Carol Middleton's previous job as cabin crew., a lowly position in life by their standards. And here we are - Catherine has become the consummate royal, through patient hard work, while Harry is out in LA playing second fiddle to his wife. If I believed in karma...
Perhaps the Middletons gave the RF lineage a much needed injection of good genes, class, common sense and real love.
@@helentaylor7132 Absolutely. All people have to do is look up what happened to the Hapsburgs for proof of what inbreeding does. Catherine's family also injected a good dose of intelligence, common sense, and family values, like you said. All good things, and things that Meghan didn't bring.
Oh my word! This just reminded me of something - I read an article today about Doria Ragland and her past…the story now is that Thomas was away too much so Doria begged to move to LA so he’d be home more, so they did. But it didn’t work out. Then Meghan ended up living full time with her father (no dates are ever given of course) and it says “while Doria pursued her career” but another article says she went away to get her education…anyways, the article about pursuing her career says she moved away and opened her own travel agency that ended up going bankrupt…then she moved back to California in 2011 when her father died bc she inherited his house and that’s when she went to college and got her degree in psychology with social work…says she graduated in 2015 and went to work at a center there after becoming licensed in 2016 because you have to do 2 or 4 years of work supervised…but then she quit that in 2018 to move to London to be with Meghan and Harry! What’s wild is the following:
1. The article about her travel agency also mentions she was away often because she was a flight attendant for her travel business. Now my dad was a travel agent and owned his own travel agency in the 80s through the mid-2000s, he wouldn’t have been able to be a travel agent AND a flight attendant- that’s just not possible! He couldn’t book people’s trips then jet off as a flight attendant bc back then if people had issues with tickets or hotels rooms or whatever, my dad had to be available to help! This was before booking vacations online was a thing, he had to work out flights with the airlines and call hotels and arrange cars by phone, there was no online booking so Dorian story is sketchy, yes - but is she WAS a flight attendant- then that’s same as Cathrines mom was so Harry making fun of her mom for that career makes him a jerk and a hypocrite bc he thinks Doria is the Buddha…never hear him saying Doria and Markles were low bc she was a flight attendant.
2. Catherine’s mom built a successful business that made a great profit and she just retired and sold it for millions…Doris’s business (travel agency) flopped and she filed for bankruptcy and ran back to CA. So Harry is twice a hypocrite!
3. Meghan talks about how she’s so compassionate bc she grew up watching her mom do social work…hahah! Doria didn’t do “social work” until 2016 and then she did it for 2 years and quit and her license expired and never has been renewed! Meghan was s grown ass woman living in London in 2016, she didn’t grow up watching her mom do social work - the damn liar!
4. Doris’s now teaching a jewelry making class at the local community college where she lives in her inherited house in CA! Her supposed “social work” business is some sort of shame for money laundering bc you can’t find any info or clients nothing online about it…and it lists Doria as the CEO, VP, and secretary and no other employees or board members! How she teach a jewelry making class at s college if she’s supposed to be doing social work? Hmm…
Doria is a scam artist and many say she went to jail for 5 years for tax evasion involving her travel business! That’s what happened and now she’s mooching off Meghan and H and helping them launder money and run their Mary-Jane growing business (imo).
It wasn’t Harry it was William who said that about Catherine’s Mother!
You believe in karma? What ever has Catherine done to become so ill then? I believe awful stress can cause illness. I wonder who caused Catherine's and Charles ????
MM has Diana’s flaws and none of her virtues. ( paraphrased from Lady C)
Same goes for her younger son. He is all the worst aspects of both parents. William thankfully is all the best
100 percent
I don’t think Charles could ever win with the boys. Diana though she had some amazing qualities, was very manipulative and insecure person.
Easy, Diana was a Narcissist and not a very smart one.
Harry's got Diana's mental health problems
@@sarahmurphy8030 And followed her education path :/
Taking drugs does not help your mental health Harry!
Difficult to work with? We call that a "bitch". Harry and Meghan deserve each other. 🇨🇦
They are a "Folie a Deux"
Catherine and the closeness of her family saved William 😀
Nonsense. I lost my Mom at 4. My Dad worked his ass off to keep a roof over and food on. There were never cozy moments. My Dad is my hero. Period. Full Stop
Right!
In my opinion Harry's not a prize at all, lol.
Not even as a prince 😂
Word.
Everyone is waiting for MM to get her comeuppance, but I’m pretty sure she is getting every day being married to that nasty dolt. 😂
Hairbrain a prize. Ha ha ha ha ha ha 🤮🤢🤮🤮🤢🥵
Isn't it ironic that the Queen preferred Andrew and Harry. 🤦♀️🤷♀️ The family is so dysfunctional. Have a great evening, Debbie Lavigne
Jo..Jo ..Jo!! Of COURSE he’s a prize, girlie!! He’s the quintessential BOOBY PRIZE!! ( great name, btw!!😉)
As i get older, i realise how much of a stabilising force the Middletons have been for William. He is very close to the family and they give him what he didn't have in his own family unit. You can see it in how they are trying to raise their 3 kids. Harry was always troubled but couple that with a partner who can't deal with that in a mature way and you get what we have now. The whole story is fascinating as it is history happening in real time
The fact he met Kate, moreover at the very beginning of his adult life, has been absolutely crucial in William’s life and development and growth. He owes her a lot.
Agree completely. Catherine is his rock, and good on him for being able to take that in and lean on her. Lots of us who grow up in chaos perpetuate it in our adult lives because it’s all we’ve ever known. It takes a lot to embrace a different way of being and that’s very much to William’s credit. If Harry had found a steady, emotionally mature partner, I think he’d be a different person now.
I think that's true, but I also know that Harry and William have had different characters from the beginning. Look at their school grades for instance.
William chose Catherine and not someone more like Meghan because he's got a much steadier head.
@@robinanna5531And in an interview, William said he wanted his mom’s death to “make” him, not “break” him.
(I’m only at the beginning of her video, she may say this).
I disagree..the whole nature vs nuture…Harry was born a mean spiteful, jealous person! It’s not because his mom died nor the what ever else he whines about.. We are seeing the real Harry!
The rumour was that Diana sacked Tiggy because the boys were very close to Tiggy and Diana was jealous.
Yes the BBC’s Martin Bashir planted that in Diana’s mind.
I remember it being reported at the time that Diana was furious that the boys had invited Tiggy to some sort of family thing at school rather than their embarrassing mum (who can blame them), and she insisted Charles got rid of Tiggy after that. She seemed like a very emotionally selfish mother
Diana even accused Tiggy of having an affair with Charles
@@marybalding1435 Diana spread an ugly rumour that Tiggy was pregnant with Charles's baby.
If you want to know just how despicable diana was to tiggy go get the the official inquest of bashir & BBC shady dealings . Diana accused tiggy of being with child with charles child & tiggy sued the press & threatened to sue diana who leaked the story to the press & yes tiggy won her lawsuit ! Diana was not mentally well .
The key to handling true pain is to reach out to someone who is doing worse than you!❤😢
Wow. People has forgotten all the times he spent with his children. I remember seeing so many photos of him and the boys enjoying themselves. NO FAMILY is perfect but it does not give one an excuse to behave so inappropriately
Tom Bowers has made it clear that he doesn't like Charles, and will slip a critique into interviews whenever he gets a chance. He has recently started on Catherine too. 🫤
Harry was coddled and enabled his entire life, including by his mother. He had no ambition or drive because he was too busy being a bad boy.
The statements about her finding comfort from helping less fortunate people is the exact model of 12 step programs and getting to the point where you can do for others keeps you focused on anything other than your problems.
She studied Harry’s damaged and troubled past. She’s used that information as a weapon to sink her claws into him. This will NOT end well.
Diana’s mother wanted her children but her own mother supported Earl Spencer who had more power.
Correct, Diana’s grandmother betrayed her daughter, Diana’s mother, in their divorce by taking the Earl Spencer’s side against her daughter. The grandmother was also the one who, with help from the Queen Mum, pushed for the marriage of Diana and Charles. That granny was a piece of work, more concerned with titles and money than her own family ties.
I believe that because Harry acted like a 13 year old boy, everyone coddled him including the Queen and his father. The Queen thought he was funny and fun to be around. He was his father's dear boy. William did learn the important lessons from his mother's and father's life. He learned that Diana had courted the media when it suited her but couldn't get rid of them when she didn't. He understood that there had to be a relationship with the press but you can never let them in to far or they own you. He fiercely protects his homelife privacy.
I read where Harry would fly into an uncontrollable rage if he was told “No.”. No wonder the family didn’t know what to do with him.
100% about Africa!
I have ALWAYS thought she purposely set up that "charitable" trip to Africa with a hairdresser, photographer and make up person in tow just to eventually brag about it to Harry as everyone knew how much he loved Africa! She was smart and thought ahead should she get the opportunity and meet him one day.
BUT, i have now even reconsidered if Harry really liked Africa. I am doubting it as this is where one of his girlfriends was from so he went with her several times during that relationship.
See Harry was ALWAYS a follower, NEVER a leader. It's been said that he fully follows a girlfriend and adopts her lifestyle to his. I think the guy is lost and also doesn't have an original thought in his head just like his wifey.
Don't underestimateMeghan. SHE IS VERY CALCULATING!
This chapter makes me love and admire William more. Catherine’s influence helped him, I’m sure but he turned into a wonderful man and a genuine prince.
H saying they were putting out stories about him to cover up for PW’s bad behaviour:
Look, if PW in a totally wasted state went around punching photographers we all would have heard about it.
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Absolutely. The press would be more keen to report about Williams misdemeanours than Hs just because he’s heir. It’s very easy to judge ‘parenting skills’ when you have no idea about the British upper classes and, while you may not like it, all the children would’ve been supported by a wider ‘family’
@@marybalding1435H made is so easy for the media to put out content about him. It was like shooting fish in a barrel.
H crying and moaning the media keeps telling all the dumb stuff he’s doing. Either:
A) stop doing dumb stuff
B) do it completely by yourself so no one can witness it.
The whole extended family probably have put up with a lot of crap H has done over the years. I’m sure there has been a lot of talks during breakfasts, dinners and social gatherings where they wish H would just pull his head in. But that’s what most families do. Black sheep get discussed because they hope it won’t happen in their direct family unit.
No none of his previous girlfriends seemed to think so even with all the trappings they ended the relationship even though he says otherwise but we know he is a noted liar one said she didn't like it he way he treated people these ladies in my opinion had lucky escapes
Agreed, down right yuck!
They knew their own worth, smart women.
@Cheere Denise A "frog" is an insult that the French are called by Brits. Its because the French are known to eat frogs legs snails, (escargot to name them properly) also, but as Harry called the barman a "fucking frog" it can be assumed the guy was a French man and Harry was insulting him because of where he came from‼️😉🇬🇧❤
Oooooh!!!!!!!!!!! That makes way more sense!
Unconscious Bias!
@@rt66vintage16 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣‼️
@@rt66vintage16 A reptilian slur‼️🤣🤣🤣🤣
Escargot is snail 🐌 😅
Diana fired Tiggy. During the separation period and after the divorce, Harry and William became so close to Tigg, that Diana allegedly felt she threatened her status as mother.
Thank you for bringing the Harry voice back! Oh, how I have missed it.😂
I think your assessment of Harry being enabled to do the absolute least but get away with the most because they feel bad for him is spot on.
I think that Charles was the best father he knew how to be-& I agree with you that Charles & Diana were oblivious to the damage they were inflicting in their children because they were selfish. Diana turning William, a literal child-into her confidante & “defender” is disturbing, inappropriate & sad.
I think that William has a less idealized version of Diana than Harry does. Harry has turned her into a Saint which we know she was not.
My mom & I (we're American) used to watch the news together growing up. She'd say "That Prince Harry is an ornery lil sh*t, ain't he?" while laughing amused (at times bemused) at his antics. My mom said "Yup, they're gonna have problems with THAT boy!"
But, my mom just figured he was taking advantage of the fact that he, HARRY, could do WHATEVER he wanted, WHENEVER he wanted with little to no consequences cuz he didn't have the added RESPONSIBILITIES that William did. Harry's emotional/ mental abilities and SEVERELY underdeveloped.
NO insight of his own self. NO foresight into the important things in life. Absolutely an absurd man-child he's turned into!
I do agree that is wrong for a parent to lean on children for moral support. That goes double when the complaint is about the other parent. Children deserve to have a childhood and both parents. It is cruel to ask a child to split their loyalty. On the flip side, there were not many Diana could confide in. The palace was complicit in Charles' adultery. Nobody protected his wife's interests.
Yes, spot on 1000%! Said perfectly and of course Harry idolized her - she never told him no and gave him whatever he wanted, and William shielded him from her fits…Harry admits he doesn’t remember much of his mom so he never registered her crying or manic tantrums, he probably just recalls her buying him whatever he wanted or figuring out how to get it to him and babying him! And he wants to perpetuate that feeling bc he never saw a grown up woman acting as a mom, he just had his mom acting as his best friend and showering him with gifts and praise and he could do no wrong. Part of that was she wanted to win the boys to her side - probably saw Charles as coming out the winner in their divorce as he was still going to be king, he ended up w his true love, he had his parents and family, money, fame, purpose…Diana was floundering and had always depended on the men in her life to entertain her and provide, she had not idea what to do with herself but she didn’t want Charles to win everything so she tried to win the boys to her side. It’s sad really.
@@valkyriesardo278Diana’s sister was married to the Queen’s private Secretary and lived in an apartment in Kensington Palace but Diana didn’t want to have a close relationship with her which is very odd
Di always had her eye on Charles,a man that danced with Diana at her sister's wedding said Diana belittled her sister's wedding as a low budget affair proclaiming her wedding would be a regal over the top at affair at
Westminster Abbey.@@Ariadne-cg4cq
Diana out a lot on William from what I’ve read. She would go to him crying for support and complain about how terrible Charles was. It makes sense that he was upset at Charles. She was trying to turn him against his father.
I agree. Just because one parent complains about the other, does not mean it's true. It DOES confirm they are manipulative though.
And may I add, you DON'T as a PARENT dump this sort of emotional baggage on your child! William was only about 10-13 years old at the time.
William is one strong man.
U don't know if she wanted to turn him from his father. She just needed someone to talk to and there were few she cld trust. So, unfortunately her eldest son got the ear bashing. U know life isn't always straight black and white. Emotions, education, experience etc all influence pple as they grow.
Don't judge unless you walk in her shoes.
My understanding that Diana was the reason that Tiggy was removed. Diana was very jealous of both boys' relationship with Tiggy. She also accused Charles of having a romantic relationship with Tiggy. Diana was jealous of everyone. I agree with your thought that what Diana did with using William as her confidant is evil! It is about the worst thing you can do with your child, and do many divorced women use their sons as the replacement for the husband. It is selfish beyond the pale!
My mother-in-law
It’s funny how the nanny’s name was Tiggy, and what do you know, MMs first blog was named “The Tig” 🙄obsessed much? I’m sure she was after H for a long time, she wants us to believe they just met by chance? Yeah right! It was well-orchestrated on HER part.
William had to go to bat for his mother because she continually expected him too. She was no better parent then Charles. William also was devastated when Diana publicly aired her grievances.
She was an exhaustingly immature woman who should not have been a mother. Parentifying children is unforgivable.
Diana lacked insight. My mother is historonic,narcissist and borderline. Has caused me much embarrassing scenes throughout my life. Never apologized. It is especially damaging when you are a daughter. You do not get the mothering a daughter needs. Mother daughter bridal shop moment turned into a embarrassing scene about my dress size reflected back onto her. She caused such a scene that she was almost kicked out of the bridal shop. No mother daughter moment to treasure. My mother is obsessed about her weight and mine. Diana was too.
King Charles is a hell of a better parent than Diana EVER was
@@RIPmichael22both had major problems….
Diana didn’t give Willian a heads up when she told the world she was having an affair with Hewitt! He was so devastated and ridiculed at Eaton he stay with the headmaster and his wife! He watched it at his school with his friends! Diana didn’t care or love!
I agree with you about Diana. Her and Charles should have sucked it up for the boys.
Yes I agree with your thoughts on Diana. Her children were at school for much of the year, so she should have been able to stay away from men in the small timeframe she had her children at home.
I hadn't thought of it before but yes, she was repeating the pattern of her mother walking away. I think much of Harrys anger is towards his Mum but he can't see it
I think the term Harry took the blame for William is wrong, Harry got caught because he always went too far. Also as first child maybe William was more cautious.
Totally agree with you, and I’m sick and tired of people saying that. You have never ever seen William falling out of a pub, fighting with a bodyguard, puking in the street, taking drugs. That is just absolutely crazy and I don’t like it when people constantly hark on about how Harry is having to take the blame for William, that is absolutely not true. By the time Harry was on the club H scene, William wasn’t even about anymore he was at university. I’m really sick of it, why are people constantly bashing on William. Harry was evicted out of a pub which is not that far away from me, the whole village knew about it, you never heard that from William. He was abusive to the bar staff, he was abusive to the landlord, that is why Charles turned his basement into club H. William wasn’t around anymore.
Diana had 2 lovers before Harry was born: Earl of Pembroke & Maneke. That is when Charles went back to Camilla.
His friends pushed it bc Charles was so worn down & depressed by Diana's emotional drama's.
AND 2 of Diana's later Lovers were MARRIED & she called them AT HOME where their Wife slept & his children played with their toys. FFS.
Right - and this was not some big secret in the 90s, so I was always surprised at the extent of the Diana-worship. I never liked the woman.
@@lornarettig3215 Diana created a CULT around herself. It took me decades to figure out what I was witnessing & why I felt manipulated.
Only after I experienced abuse form female friends for decades did I do the study - read 36 books.
Her BPD was evident from the jump - BEFORE they were married.
A BPD is so emotionally extreme & labile they can be having fun one minute & then scream at you like a Rabid Banshee or in a puddle of tears the 2nd.
IF you gave them your left kidney last week they could still unleash on you randomly over lunch for some perceived slight.
But Diana had that exquisite fragile quality like Marilyn Monroe which made them so compelling. Monroe had BPD also.
Oliver Hoare was another one. He was a married art dealer.
@@elizabethmadron1336 Yes and Dr Khan?
@@pamelacole2756 YOu may be right Dr K was not married yet - & I have also thought that it was Dodi's FATHER who pushed the relationship - even purchased Edward & Wallis home in Paris - which is where they were headed that fateful night.
Maybe Father & Son felt her pulling away so insisted she see the pad he had bought for them.
Al Fayed was probably involved in Arms Dealing bc his purchase of Harrods was in cash - as were other acquisitions.
The Idea to send them to Hollywood, Dodi being a "Producer" and set up "Charities" was all possibly money laundering.
It wasn’t just that H lost his mother but his father was being vilified and blamed (unfairly in my opinion) by the press and the British public for the marriage breakdown. I think you have to take into account that Tom Bowers doesn’t really like King Charles and this colours his opinion. Apparently Tiggy left because Diana was jealous of Tiggy, even accused her of having an affair with Charles which was wrong and hurtful. I expect I’ll get flack for this but I’m fed up with Charles being blamed for everything
Thank you!! 😭😭🧡🧡 I totally agree! I am glad to see someone else standing up for the King xx
i too feel charles was an east target for blame and camilla - i feel they are suited - diana was not queen material as she was too vain like her ghastly daughter in law !
Me too! I felt it strongly at the time - I nearly wrote him a letter of support because the media seemed so brutal and biased towards Diana. Tom Bowers has shown by his snide comments in recent interviews that HD doesn't like Charles, and seemingly doesn't care for Catherine either.
Agree, Bowers is always trying to find something wrong with William and Charles. I think King Charles realizes Harry has the same mental problems as his mother.
I agree with you completely! Thank you for commenting.
Hi from Australia, Princess Mary of Denmark is from Australia and changed everything for Fredrick to become his bride.❤
And she never complained. Learning Danish is a billion times harder than learning God Save The Queen.
And Mary is such a beautiful and graceful lady, HAHA not bad from us Aussie convict stock. 🇦🇺
Shes too good for him. Hes also a manchild.
Shes the true royal.
It’s wild to me that she acts like that to people. I mean she was pretty enough and met enough connected people that should have been able to at least hit B-List levels. I guarantee that word spread behind the scenes about her behavior and that’s why she couldn’t get better opportunities. We see time and again that she hustles pretty hard and there are plenty of bad actors who still gets decent roles. Her behavior was and is her downfall.
She's not even an average actor, but thought/thinks she should be in A-list movies. Background extra maybe, but she'd ruin the scene by looking at the camera.
😄😅😆
Exactly that. It’s not her being biracial or even her lack of acting talent it’s her attitude that she thinks she’s better than anyone. It is almost a Messiah complex but she treats people so badly. She just thinks she deserves so much more than people are giving her
more than any other industry, it seems like Hollywood is at least 50% who you know and your reputation, the other half, or less, your actual talent.
i don't have personal experience in this area beyond taking a filmmaking workshop years ago, and some classes about TV production, but what every teacher emphasized, over and over, is that on set everyone has a part, no one is above anyone else, and if you don't behave yourself you will trash your reputation and people in the industry *will* find out, so good luck getting work after that.
Totally agree
William probably had the advice of the Middleton family and calmed the waters for him
At the very least he and
Catherine could be with
the Middletons and know
that they would not go to
the media.
i think you are spot on about mm's strategy to hook harry for a very long long time!
I think people who have second families figure it is easier to start again than go through the difficulty and pain of working things out with their first family.
If only Harry met a good girl and kept working on the Invictus game, honoring his mother's life and work in Africa, in hospitals and all over the world. He couldve been a great working Royal everybody wouldve loved. Instead, he married Megain 😐
He’s basically a fool
Maybe I’m wrong but I think Charles was caring enough to let his kids hate him because he knew they needed adore to their mother. Diana had to be adored to feel loved. He was definitely the wiser of the two parents and he was counting on the kids growing up and gaining the clarity that normally comes with that. What he didn’t foresee was the tragic death of Diana, greatly magnifying the dynamic, and the unfortunate reality that Harry is in incapable of such mature insight.
Charles was too busy with pleasing Camilla. He has never had the reputation of being a good father. He was stand offish to everyone but Camilla. For whatever reason, she did it for him.
@Cornbread Oracle . Insightful comment.
@Connie Galan You really don't know that. As a matter of fact there's masses of evidence to the contrary on the public record.
I felt the same and totally agree. Diana, despite the numerous documented affairs even while married, was seen as the devoted mother. Charles was vilified, in large part because of the Diana mystic. I respect C & C for their long standing love and just getting through it. I pitied Diana because of her immaturity and lack of education her family, especially her grandmother, offered her up as the virginal sacrifice. Thankfully she did do so much good for so many due to her emotional empathy.
@CornbreadOracle, that was well said, and I agree. I also think Charles did a lot behind the scenes he hasn’t been given credit for. I suspect Harry was ungovernable at a very early age. Diana took him to therapy for behavioral problems very early and wanted him to attend a special school, not Eton. I think Charles also tried to give Harry different potential forward paths, agriculture and farming as one example. He didn’t qualify for the Army, but they paved the way for him.
“Frog” is a derogatory term for a Frenchman.
Henry sure does seem that he's gotten over his hate of being in public.
It's not going to be any different when she starts working under William Morris Agency. They are one of the largest and most prestigious agencies in Los Angeles, CA. If Meghan thinks she's going to get away with treating people this badly, she's got another thing coming. They will hand her her ass!
On a tarnished silver platter!
Reminds me of "doctor shopping." People with personality disorders change doctors frequently when the current doctor doesn't agree with them. I think the medical term is "peregrination." People with Munchausen by proxy do this doctor shopping. M is agent shopping. She has always been connection shopping, next boyfriend shopping audience shopping, etc.
The fame was her ultimate goal, I don’t think she cared about what Harry was like, being vulnerable made it even easier for her…..
OH, she definitely targeted him, and honed in on his insecurities. Straight out to the Narcissist's How To book.
I think Diana's idea of prioritizing her boys was turning them into the men in her life; oversharing with them, relying on them for support, and dumping her emotional trauma on them. Chasing after adult male companionship was a lesser offense, and might even have spared her sons additional damage.
I’ve also never agreed that Diana was a ‘great mother’. She was too immature to be a wife, and too immature to be a mother IMO.
@@lornarettig3215 No, neither have I. It may have been immaturity, but I tend to agree with those who believe she had BPD. None of her many relationships lasted and by the law of averages it couldn't always have been the other person's fault.
You are so right if you actually I think William meeting Kate straightened him out completely.
The most astonishing thing is that after scheming half her life to snag a prince she proceeded to chuck it all up and return to her life of scheming. She had climbed that summit and knocked her own flag off it.
Aside from the prince title,
there is absolutely nothing
about Harry that would attract HW. 😐
I just have to say…the intro music you are using for this series is HYSTERICAL 😂
I remember vividly the events of Charles and Diana before their divorce, they were in the news all the time and it was obvious that Diana was showing the world what a wonderful mother she was, and I'm sure she was, but she told a story about how William used to push kleenex under the door when she was crying. SHE leaned on William whereas Charles, according to Diana, was actually closer to Harry. You're right both parents were extremely selfish and it was so horrible that they put their children in the middle.
Yeah, like having a what - 14-15 year old entangled in your mess? Pushing Kleenex under your door? What?
I've never believed that story. Why would he need
to push Kleenex under the
door when there was toilet paper and I'm sure Kleenex already in the bathroom. 🤨
Diana was THE WORST one dumping these problems on the shoulders of an 11 year old boy. Her SON! It's bizarre and VERY wrong.
@@Ciara1594 perhaps, if true, it was feeble gesture by a adolescent that just 😢 know what to do. Pushing klenex under the door was a gesture. Not a practicability. But you’re tight. So much garbage and innuendo swirling around
@@Ciara1594I think he was doing anything he could to help her feel better - she was either asking him for them to make him feel bad for her OR he wasn’t thinking about what was in there already but was doing his best and the only thing he really could do to comfort his sobbing mother - he’d be there with Harry and his mom a basket case locked in the bathroom…I would bet William was trying to comfort his mom, she wouldn’t answer him through the door but he heard her crying and as the oldest and protective of his younger brother he probably didn’t tell Harry but would try to distract Harry with play or tell him he’d handle it. I can relate bc my parents fought like wild cats and I’d hide in the closet with my little sister and sing her songs or play dolls or tell stories - anything I could so she wouldn’t pay attention to their yelling and be scared…and I’d also try to get in the middle of them or disrupt them by yelling about their fighting to get them to realize what they were doing with two children there that were hearing and seeing it all. My sister grew up protected bc she was born with a deformity and eyesight problems, had brain surgery at 4 months old and had to wear glasses and eye patches and was teased and struggled, so my parents would excuse a lot of her behaviors - she was never mentally affected but her physical struggles made everyone excuse her behavior and she would get away with everything - I was the oldest and “responsible” for her…I’d do her after school chores for her just so she’d not get in trouble when my parents got home, at 12 I was the after school care for her at 7 years old and the helper with my grandmother who lived with us in the last years of her life. I can empathize with William and can see how Harry became what he is. My sister had to hit rock bottom in her 20s before she got right. After my folks constantly bailed her out of trouble, my mom finally took the therapists, counselors, bonds men, lawyers, police, etc. advice to let her hit the bottom to rebuild and that saved her. Harry has always been saved and so his bad behavior has perpetuated into his 40s. Until he learns that hard lesson from experience; he’ll never change. It’s hard to watch your kids/sibling go through that, especially after being their protector for so long.
In Britain,“Frog” is a derogatory term for a French person
Since finding your channel I have not been able to stop watching!! I have so thoroughly enjoyed your reviews of Spare and Revenge and hope to hear your review of other books! You have a great way of making me feel like we are friends reading the books together! Love love love your way of seeing things and sharing your thoughts and views!!
Thank you!
Wow! You are definitely one of the most fair TH-camr Ive seen about every one of them. I love it!
Well, I am convinced you are a better parent than most people who "raised" kids in the 70s and 80s😂. Adults didn't think about our little feelings back then...
If by prize, you mean something that will help you achieve your goals of wealth and fame, the Harry was definitely a "prize" for Megan
Agree.
Harry has Borderline Personality Disorder, comorbid with Histrionic & Paranoia.
His mother suffered the same, but she also had exquisite qualities.
Nobody understands BPD unless they have suffered a person with BPD in their life.
There is an incredible book called, "Understanding the Borderline Mother" by Christine Ann Lawson.
I have a niece with BPD so I have some insight into the disorder and its effects on both the sufferer and the family. I also have family members who are mental health professionals and although they can't diagnose from a distance - rightly so because it would be unprofessional - their 'observations' tend towards Diana probably having BPD (or EUPD as it's now known). I would also agree that Harry ticks a few boxes for male BPD and/or a behavioural disorder.
@@pennylando3145 In Lawson's book, Diana is mentioned as is Sylvia Plath & Joan Crawford.
BPD is also on a spectrum & not ALL BPDs will ruin your life -that depends if they are also obsessed with 'targets of blame' & are 'offence collectors' & vindictive.
The Soap Opera, pity party, drama Diana kicked off was so dangerous by the time she got herself killed, that the Queen was forced to walk about studying the miles of flowers.
It was like rubbing a dog's nose in her mess, like Queen was responsible for Diana's death? INSANE.
It was shameful of historical British public to demand that.
If it was France, the Queen would have been guillotined. Terrifying.
Markle is just trying on the same story - "The Sequel, Starring Meghan Markle," but Diana did serve YEARS of empathy in her Charities & she like ordinary people. .
Harry always had a dark rageful, vengefulness in him.
As we say in Glasgow, "He is a "Shitey wee Bastard".
Nice chatting 😃🥰
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@@LathenHamlet Yes, quiet BPDs do have the capacity to self reflect & can want to heal.
DBT is effective but it is a lot of hard work.
I doubt he has it in him unless his life falls apart.
@@LathenHamlet Yes the Group Therapy is key. Mutual support & people can recognise the syndrome in others & they heal each other - keeping each other in the process.
Your Harry impersonation is spot on! It’s eerie 😊
Harry left the military because he failed the exam for promotion to the rank of major which everyone has to pass after 10 years in the military so he had no option but to leave.
I was shocked to read about the multiple lovers that Diana had. Also, she had more problems than Charles. She was devastated by her parents’ divorce. She threw herself down a long set of stairs when she was pregnant with Harry because Charles would not do as she wanted. Charles was raised by nannies. How would he know how to parent?
To be fair, though, Charles whinged quite publicly about the parenting he received. If he’d given so much attention to the issue to complain, he should’ve given at least equal levels of attention to his own parenting style.
Good episode. I totally agree with you about Diana and Charles being selfish parents. It is not a popular view about Diana-everyone always says how much she cared for her children. I thought to myself when she died-bringing her children on a yacht with her latest man and then going back without them were not the moves of a mother who put her children first. And then not thinking to put on her seatbelt? If she had put their welfare first, she would not have been running around Paris but would have been at home for them throughout their childhood. And confiding in William like he was a friend-very selfish. Maybe what Harry saw in Megan that was like his mother was that they were both selfish children? I do have a higher opinion of Diana, though, because she actually did quite a bit of charity work, and gave hope to many ill people. But as a parent? Sketchy at best. Megan is frightening in her ambitious self-obsession without any moral grounding. But the whole family situation is a lesson in how we must deal with the problems of our own childhood or they will be passed on and on and on. I wonder what problems the Sussex children are going to have to overcome as the next legacies of this dysfunction?
You do know throughout her life Camilla has been deeply involved with many charities , she just doesn’t invite the press along. When compared to Diana she has quietly done just as much. In addition she has been riddled with arthritis for at least the last 20 to 30 years due to osteoporosis. Physically she is pain every day. She says she shows pictures of herself to her children and grandchildren telling them to look at the physical difference in her before and after having osteoporosis. It runs in families and her mother got so bad that her ribs broke if someone tried to hug her. Don’t fall for the goddess Diana myth. She was just good at self promotion.
Just before she died her star was very much on the wane , she had dropped a lot of her charitable work and people questioning the fact that she was always on holiday, without the boys , with Dodie.
Agree
Well said. Goodness imagine if Diana had chosen her boys over herself for a few more years? Been self sacrificing like a lot of parents are to establish a firm foundation for their children.
My fear is that Charles will still never help Harry take accountability for his actions now because he's still riddled with guilt!
You are so right about them sharing too much with the boys. The thing that really gets me with Harry is when their mother died my family had recently been through a similar situation that made us feel like we went through it with the boys. On 24/6/97 so just 2 months before my sister in law suddenly passed away at the age of 38. Her children went to school and never saw her again apart from my 4 year old nephew who was with her when she collapsed and miraculously managed to call a ambulance where they told him to go and get a neighbour as my nephew didn’t know the address. My nieces and nephew were 15, 13, 7, 6 & 4 years old so when Diana died we totally relived everything with the boys but none of my brothers children behaved like harry! One thing that did happen though here in the UK was some of the children went to children counselling something that Harry actually said in a interview wasn’t available in the UK when his mother died. How come my nieces were offered it then. He is such a liar. Did he think nobody in the UK could easily debunk this!!
Oh my goodness! What a horrific tragedy!!! I am so deeply sorry your nieces and nephews had to survive that loss! How are they doing now, if I may ask? My heart just goes out to them in such a huge way!
@@cheeredenise thank you lovely 💖 they are all a credit to our family. They are all adults now as the youngest child is 30 this year! They are have fantastic careers and they never used their mothers death as a excuse to play up. So my brother could get back to work and have a life after his wife died I would look after the 3 youngest ones during school holidays and I didn’t want the 15 & 13 year old to look after their younger siblings. They were dealing with grief themselves without being stuck at home during school holidays looking after their younger siblings. I just didn’t want that for them and I had boys so my nephew spent most weekends with me and we would take him on holiday with us so the little ones had my mum and myself in the background to gently hug my brother so they had mother figures if they wanted but my brother did a amazing job. Some did need counselling and they took advantage of it as soon as they were struggling. We didn’t even need to suggest it to them they saw posters in school etc. funny isn’t it how harry says that he didn’t know if children’s counselling was available in the US around the time of his mother’s death but it wasn’t in the UK yet my sister in law passed away 2 months before princess Diana so he is speaking rubbish. Did he think that there’s no children in the the UK who never had counselling in the 90s or anytime after that date? Also something that totally annoys me about him and his lies that people constantly debunk is that his own mother was massively involved in Barnardos for heavens sake! Are you telling me this beans on toast headed freak had no clue of the resources available or that nobody around him suggested Barnardos when he was acting like a complete moron? I mean Of course King Charles weighed it up and thought it was better that Harry bombed around acting like Paul Gasgoine then it was to get him some help? Come on that sounds bonkers. Of course they would of helped him rather than spend their lives with him acting like a petulant Brastardo embarrassing everyone and humiliating the queen! I just can’t with this idiot when my nieces and nephew went through loosing their mother , some were a lot younger than him although to be fair my 4 year old nephew was probably more mature and these kids didn’t find every excuse to throw shade at everyone!!
The held him back for a year and he re-took the exam for Eton the next year which he apparently barely passed. It was not the right place for him but that’s where Diana wanted him to go and that’s where William went so….
Harry, with his lack of intellect, might have been happier and more successful in trade school!
The people at Eton felt sorry for him and let him in, everyone in the world felt sorry for him
This Prince of Dope, was an undesirably even as a prince he still couldn’t get someone stay with him… Until Megan, and of course he is like starving person in front of buffet…
Harry definitely is NOT A CATCH‼️👎
In Spare and in this book, I keep wanting everyone to wake up and recognize how many times the Spare became the Heir. In Spare, Harry seems to think he is in direct lineage of all the kings of England, but the number of times the crown passed sideways or to a younger son or even to another family, means Harry SHOULD have been more seriously prepared. (Just look at his great great Uncle abdicating!!!!)
I think she wanted to be this century's Anne Boleyn. I think she wanted to get with William but if she couldn't make that work she would take Harry. She didn't realize that the only money he would ever have is what his father was willing to give him and eventually what William would be willing to give them. She felt they should have everything that William and Kate had and should be seen as equal to them. She was either ignorant of how monarchy works or she didn't care.
She burned her own bridge. And she could've had it all.
I doubt Markle has heard of Anne Boleyn. 🤣 Parallel entities for sure tho'.
Unlike Markle, Boleyn was cultured & well educated, but like Markle she was an 'All or Nothing' schemer.
Being the narcissist she is I think she expected William to fall at her feet and worship her. Have you seen the way she looks at him in pictures where they are together?
@@rw4754 Interesting that May 19th - the date Anne Boleyn was executed, was also the date of Harry and Meghan’s wedding…
@@kittyb9383 WOW really? 🤔😯
I don't think Diana was careless or vindictive enough to have her second child with another man.
I agree. I'm not Diana's biggest fan but I don't think she would have made such a terrible mistake. She was erratic but not stupid.
It helps that Harry does kinda look like Charles. Especially the eyes and ears.
She’ll eventually dump Harry and move on to a billionaire as soon as she can dig her claws into one, she thinks she’s Jackie Onassis or something..
I could see her marrying an Onassis type. Onassis didn't marry Jackie out of love, she was a trophy. He loved Maria Callas, the opera singer. He was a big, bad-tempered brute of a man and their marriage was miserable. It's been said that he was about to divorce her when he died.
But Jackie Onassis wasn’t a Duchess, was she? The second Meghan loses her title she’s back on a level playing field - she’d hate that
I disagree that Charles was an absent father; I think that Diana manipulated the press to show how 'good' she was
I think he was absent in the standards of todays parenting, but that doesn’t mean his interactions with his boys when he was with them were negative. And we can’t hold people in the past to a modern standard. It’s unintelligent and it’s bad study of history, so I don’t mean to suggest I AM holding him to todays parenting methods (which have plenty of flaws too).I think he loved them as he knew how to do, and unfortunately sometimes love can be expressed as indulgence. Charles probably interpreted a heavy hand as being misguided, especially if he had resented the heavy hand that often fell on him growing up. I think the pendulum swung in the opposite direction as he worked to father his boys and in a desire to be gentle, he allowed wayward behavior hoping they would grow up eventually.
I'm the same age as Diana and bought the tabloids. I admired her fashion, her beauty and mostly, her compassion. I read a LOT about her since they got engaged. I feel bad for her, but she also was manipulative with everyone, including William. Shameful. Henry is a disgrace and like her in many ways. I wish their titles could/would be stripped
I agree. From what I can tell, Charles was a loving father from the beginning.
I started tuning into this channel because of the Royal content, but I’m excited for the next book. I enjoy your opinion.
I’m so excited to hear that!!!! I hope others feel the same way!
I do too!
I have so much respect for you calling out Diana crap. People still have her as this innocent naive person. Whole I might give her thst when she met Charles or the arrangement was made. moving forward she was not innocent. I to this day still do not care for Charles because he was a more experienced and older man, but Diana came to the marriage with her baggage and was partly responsible for the breakdown of the marriage too.
Diana was diagnosed with a very painful personality disorder before she married. Both she and her sister suffered from an eating disorder too. Diana came from not just a broken home, but an abusive home - curtesy of her father. Diana's mother didn't bolt, she tried to keep the children with her, but her own mother (Diana's Grandmother) testified against her own daughter during the divorce because she felt the children should stay in the home of the titled father. Diana was badly damaged by her childhood. She became emotionally unstable, compulsive, erratic and enormously destructive. Her mood swings in a single day were bewildering. She herself suffered badly through her mental struggles, which also brought her a growing paranoia. Everyone around her suffered along with her.
Diana told Charles fairly early on in their marriage that she had fallen in love with 'the love of her life', that they were lovers and she wanted a divorce. The love of Diana's life was her protection officer and they wanted to marry. Charles, according to reports, was shocked. He had thought at that time that they had both been getting through their problems and that both of them had been faithful. He couldn't believe she had taken a lover. They would never be intimate again. After talking it through, Charles agreed to Diana's request for a divorce and said they would talk with the Queen. When they were both out on a visit together news came through that Diana's lover had died in an accident. It was Charles who told her the news, before she could hear it over the radio as it was being broadcast by the BBC. Matters between Diana and Charles unravelled. This information was given by Lady Colin Campbell who wrote two highly acclaimed books on the life of Diana.
A number of sources say that Harry was never a helicopter pilot, didn't do well in the military and was not well liked.
It’s interesting how much comparison the Markles make to Princess Diana being similar to MM
One thing they clearly share is the desire to run their narratives/setting up photo shoots etc regardless of anyone getting hurt including their own children
Yes absolutely similar in that way
Love this book
Definitely watch Spare people if you haven’t watched it, Cheere made it so fun and actually hilarious to get through 😆🥰
I've been avoiding the reviews of Spare, but I'll give Cheere a shot. Thanks.
No. I would never deign to patronize their lunacy, all for their gain.
💯 🔨 on nail ❗️❗️selfish parents ❗️ ❗️
Of course a lot of divorcing parents unintentionally cause their children suffer. And it is selfish but in the midst of difficulties that are breaking you mentally & emotionally, you don't realise the damage you're causing. You are surviving. I am not divorced but we had business failure that almost led to divorce and both of us came close to breakdowns. I feel immense guilt & regret for the period of time when the children witnessed our stress & weakness. I ideally we would both have done better. But we were in survival mode (my husband contemplated doing the worst). We managed to hold our family together and we talk to our now adult children about it.
Charles & Diana were going through their troubles in the full glare of the world's media & judgement. I can find compassion for them in those circumstances.
Megsie would never look at him if not a “prince”
The sad thing is I think Harry would've been better off being born a commoner. If he wasn't a royal he wouldn't have been coddled and protected and would've been forced to grow up and get on with it. Privilege is his kryptonite
If you had to marry Harry, the prize would be his family. Can you imagine having the Queen as a grandmother-in-law? Wow!!!
Only if you were English.
Imagine having all that and then trying to trash and besmirch the whole family, the country, the institution and Her Majesty’s 70 year legacy. I don’t blame anyone for not wanting to live the royal life, or the English life, or for leaving. But the spiteful, vengeful nastiness (from both of them) is despicable
So, you know about “the English life” do you? It might not suit you but some of us like it
What is "The English life", that you speak of?
@@lynnerobinson8380 and @Mary Balding, fair question. But my point, in that context, was the life entirely bound up with living IN ENGLAND as a working royal family member. Not everyone's experience of English life obviously, but the life of someone who for the most part lives there, and doesn't have access to beaches, warm weather, wearing shorts most of the year and Cali-Hollywood-psychobabble types who just loooove you for nothing more than being a celeb.
The press definitely over amplified the Tampax story. Charles never said he wanted to come back as a Tampax inside Camila, what he actually said was “God forbid l come back as a Tampax” (meaning it would be pretty gross).
Still an embarrassing conversation for a future monarch nonetheless, but their wasn’t any need to make it sound any worse than it already did.
I really like the opinions, analysis and humor you insert in your readings. I could listen to you all night.
I'm Glad you noticed the dates and how they change there are quite a few like that - different dates, times and places 🤔
Lol last comment. Without sounding like a monster, I have to say… if he said “I spent many years not wanting to grow up.” Then his childhood couldn’t have been that bad. I had an awful childhood including losing a parent; all I wanted to do was grow up and leave my house.
This chapter shows how people oscillated between feeling sorry for Harry and finding him to be entitled. Neither of which were good for him a bit like his traumatised todger.
In spare he talks about Chelsea not being good enough for Grandma because she’s a patty animal and gives even less reasons why he decides against Cressida. Where it seems more like these were young women who had a good time in their 20s then grew up and realised Harry wasn’t going to and wisely moved on.
Sorry but even Diana said Charles was a good father, he use to come home and bath the boys, feed and read to them. Even Harry said Charles always sat with him stroking his check until he fell asleep when he was afraid of the dark. I watched another video where the lady said she watched the Markle family interview and at the end there were two people comentating about the Coronation, one was the Editor of Majesty, she actually said that she spoke to Diana before she died, it seems Diana told her that it wasnt Camellia who caused the breakup of her marriage it was the people around them.
The editor of Majesty is or was Ingrid Seward and she did, indeed, say that Diana had confessed that. Shame nobody said anything at the time because Charles was made the scapegoat for it all. I think Charles, the (then) Queen and Duke of Edinburgh all did what they could including staff and others in the Royal household, so he was surrounded by support, but Harry just seems to highlight all he negative ‘poor me’ and ‘not my fault’ views and thereby excuses his behaviour
I always thought the Africa trips were just for Harry to see , you could tell she had no interest really.
53:55 Prince Sparrey didn't come up with the Invictus Games. It was the Monarchy (or the gray suits beyond it) which created the project for him. That's why he said he didn't want to be there and put it on to pleasing the queen. He's not even educated enough to know the meaning of "Invictus".
Thank you for the video, Cheere! You could be a therapist or a life coach with your insight into people's behavior. I saw a documentary on Diana the other day, and they said she used to call William "her rock" and would confide in him and ask his opinions. They even said she treated him like a "stand-in husband." That's kind of weird, and definitely putting too much on William's shoulders. But they also said that that might be why he seemed so mature even as a young college student. As for Meghan, I just saw Meghan Kelly, the journalist, say that she has a very good source who told her that even back when she was married to Trevor, Meghan had a vision board of herself with the Royal Family!! 😮 Wow!
Harry being a goober is one of the. Reasons she hooked her claws in him - I believe. Perfect prey for her to use.
She’s a relationship jumper.
Diana may have done incredible charity work, but she was no angel. She, too, like her daughter-in-law, threw the rf under the bus and courted the media herself. As for Tiggy, she was asked to leave by Diana because her boys were too close to their nanny, and I believe that didn't sit well with Diana.
I had a similar issue as William with my mum, crying to me about my dad and I will never forget the cruelty she inflicted on our relationship. Whether it was conscious or not doesn't matter, its manipulation of the cruelest kind to isolate a parent from their child.
I was always out with my dad working on the farm as a youngster but by high school I couldn't have a rational conversation with him, it still hurts decades later but thankfully I was able to self reflect and see her behaviour. I don't believe she was malicious, like Diana, they were too emotionally immature to behave like an adult and take responsibility for their role in problems
None of us really know why Harry behaves as he does, but I don't fully agree with the view that everyone felt sorry for him and gave him a pass. Between the ages of 7-18, and for much of the year, Harry was at a boarding prep-school and then Eton, and it's not very likely that he would have been allowed to behave like a brat without consequences. These schools are very focused on results - which is what parents pay for - and prince or no prince, no matter how sorry teachers may feel for the child's circumstances, he or she cannot be allowed to become a disruptive influence.
Harry was a problem almost from the moment he could walk, and his mother's over-indulgence didn't help. Harry himself has said on two occasions that his mother told him that he could do what he wanted, as long as he didn't get caught. I was shocked when I heard that, not only because it's terrible advice for a mother to give her son, but also that Harry didn't even realise that he wasn't exactly crowning his mother in glory. Still - even with that terrible advice, his prep school, Eton and the army should have been able to iron out the brat-like wrinkles, and the fact that they couldn't suggests to me that the problem may be that of a behavioural disorder. If you look at the list of indicators for 'behavioural disorder', Harry ticks a fair few boxes.
I think Harry was always a lazy and obnoxious brat with a chippy attitude.
I read his book. He was allowed to get away with a lot of lazy and bad behavior by his own admission, so take it up with him if you dislike that information.
@@deborahlester4018 I can certainly agree with the lazy part, but no matter what Harry may say in his book - which from start to finish is hardly the last word in truth - I don't believe he would have been allowed to get away with a lot of genuinely bad behaviour. Ludgrove is a feeder school for Eton, Harrow, Winchester and other top schools, and parents pay for that. That type of school can't allow one child to get away with bad behaviour if it sanctions others for the same thing.
@@pennylando3145 SMH, have it your way.
I taught Art at a feeder school for the ivy league. They learn early that daddy's stature makes people blind and deaf, while lesser mortals pay the piper. So, I will believe Harry here as it helps explain the otherwise inexplicable lack of personal accountability. We may agree to disagree.
@@pennylando3145 you’re right about the schools. People forget that these, Eton and the like, schools are full of children from aristocratic families. Harry would not have been that special so would have expectations upon him. I don’t think even William would get away with misbehaving. They would’ve made a point of treating the boys as much like each other as possible. And Hs book is so full of lies I cannot believe what he says
I really liked the point you made how Chelsy was aware of what was expected of her had she continued her relationship with Harry and so she opted out. This just confirms that she was an intelligent and self aware individual who made an informed choice. Whereas Meghan in her arrogance thought she could bend everyone and the whole institution to her will the same way she had Harry at her fingertips. Also imo Chelsy and Cressida simply didn’t think Harry was worth going through the trouble of taking on a royal life with him acting like the petulant, classless, entitled manchild of a prince.