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- This week Vegard ( / itsvegard ) joins us to discuss the gay uncle hypothesis, a possible answer to the evolutionary mystery of homosexuality...
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Are you gay? Do you have siblings?
How do you know my life story?
Yes and yes, but both my siblings refuse to give me niblings to pamper :(
Yes to both
Aroace, so effectively "gay" with respect to this hypothesis, as I would fulfill the same role as the gay pibling.
Yes and no
i’d actually be so interested in an episode of being trans and gay, specifically how a lot of trans ftm guys originally identity as a lesbian then come out as gay men. the science of it would be so interesting
I'm the youngest of three, my oldest sibling (sister) is straight, my older brother is bi, and I'm gay and ace, which is kind of funny, we just got more and more queer as she made more
id check to see if your mother has hormonal issues or womb defect issues.
the only other option is you all "caught the gay" from strong indoctrination
She ran out of the straight ink
it's like when the printer runs out of black ink so everything had a pink/purple tinge and it gets more pink/purple as the ink runs out
There was one other detail I was hoping you'd mention, which is that reproducing takes a ton of time and energy, and in social animal species with large populations it's not necessary from an evolutionary perspective for every single individual to reproduce. It can be advantageous to have a pool of individuals who, instead of wasting energy reproducing, perform other functions necessary to the survival of the population as a whole. This would be particularly beneficial as the population nears the carrying capacity of the environment, and humans are not exempt from this.
True! I think he mentioned in in passing, but it is very intersting! Variations limiting the reproduction of individuals could still possibly aid their genetic kin, without the individual having to reproduce. Meaning it would be a tug of war of sorts, with the genetic parent being rewarded for carrying the unexpressed variant, but the variant-expressive child would not benefit. The variant-expressing child must make up for the lack of a reproductive descendant. That would almost be a form of eusociality now that i think about it.
@@stormillion5002 Yeah, there are animal species where the majority of individuals sacrifice their own reproductive success for that of others, such as in the eusocial insect species. Nobody would call honeybees an evolutionary dead end just because the workers are not constantly reproducing.
I'm not gay but I am Ace, I do have a few older siblings, and I'm also an Uncle
the ace uncle hypothesis
@@gms9608 physical arousal is not the same as attraction/enjoyment ?? also a bit of a weird thing to reply with :/
@@wokery For some reason my other comments aren't showing up :( I had made a whole thread about different studies on asexuality. One of the studies I mentioned (Yule et al., 2014) looked at birth order (and other things relating to sexuality such as handedness and finger length ratios) among asexual people, showing similar results to that of gay men: "Asexual and non-heterosexual men were more likely to be later-born than heterosexual men".
I mentioned the sexual arousal studies (Brotto & Yule, 2011; Skorska et al., 2023) because those were some studies about quantitative measures in asexual people. In a very simplified manner, they showed that asexual men and women respectively reported a distinct pattern of genital and subjective arousal to that of non-asexual people (i.e. decreased genital arousal and lack of subjective sexual arousal), showing that it is a distinct sexuality pattern.
I also talked about how asexual and bisexual people are under-represented in the research (literally the first formal study on asexuality was published in 2004 by Anthony Bogaert, that's how recent this is) and that I'd love to contribute to this field of research myself if I get the chance to go to graduate school bc I'm very interested in this topic
But again, for some reason the comments aren't showing up😢😢... I'm not sure if it's the TH-cam filtering or a glitch?
@@wokery I've deleted the original comment that appeared because it makes no sense without the other comments. I also had added some TH-cam links to videos of the researchers I mentioned themselves talking about their research and also how importantly all of them (Malvina Skorska, Morag Yule, Lori Brotto, Anthony Bogaert...) are asexual themselves.
What is the meaning of "Ace"?
I’m a queer male. I have an older brother but also a younger sister. Both are fantastic but maddeningly straight. I have high hopes of one day being a gay uncle!
I like how corey says gay man like a single word.
Corry's disgusted face with "I forgot you were here" at 16:02 kills me
I currently identify as pansexual but I've identified as gay for the last 10 years and I still identify with the label of "gay" sometimes.
I have one sibling who is straight
I'm gay, trans and an older brother, and my cousin is also gay. We don't live close to each other wich is quite sad cause he has so much more experience with homophobia etc and he could help me so much with it😭✨💅🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
You were pretty close on pronouncing fa'afafine - the glottal stop (apostrophe) was good and would speed up with confidence. The last 'ne' is like 'ne' in net. Impressed with your go of it though as many who are exposed to the word more frequently don't really try to say it right! Just to note - fa'afafine are not necessarily gay. Many western studies of Samoan culture tend to frame things from a western perspective and re-write the culture. Science tends to do that in the Pacific. Similar concepts of gender appear across many of the Pacific Islands who share collective values and ways of life - this is also carried into our populations in New Zealand and Australia so the number is a lot higher than you might expect (albeit still small in the grand scheme of things)
I'm a trans man and queer, and I have two older siblings.
Edit: I am SO looking forward to this month of gay science. Hell yeah.
Thank y'all for such a fascinating episode! I listen to this while working out and it's just the right amount of stimulation to help me stay focused instead of getting bored (yes, I know, ADHD). I'm SO excited to see what the rest of Pride month is going to bring!
P.S.: I would love to hear your thoughts on incretin mimetic drugs (like Ozempic) and weight loss. The literature seems extremely promising
I’m bi, and I have 5 half-siblings. 4 brothers, one sister. My youngest brother and my sister are both also bi
Love Coriee's pronunciation of Vegard lol
I'm bi or pan. I'm the oldest of 6 half-siblings (2 paternal, 3 maternal, and me).
Not gay but I have a gay uncle (my mom’s brother) and he’s my best friend ♥️
41:07 the audio is duplicateeeeeeeeeeee
I’m gay and I have an older brother. For the vast majority of human evolution we have no idea how same sex attraction, or “gayness” expressed itself, or the dynamics of human families in prehistory - before marriage existed. Could it be that humans in general did not form monogamous long term pairings? Could it also be that few individuals were exclusively homosexual, most being bisexual? If the genetic portion of “being gay” didn’t result in exclusive homosexuality, then there is no reason why it shouldn’t persist. Especially if it conveys other benefits - perhaps social ones, such as bonding a social group. Look at how bonobos use sex.
You guys claim there's no way to share genes between people, but have you been to a clothing store before? They've got plenty of jeans there and pretty much anyone can get them
Can't you also pass on genetic material laterally by infecting someone with a virus you have? I've understood that viruses change dna.
I can't wait for critical thinking to devolve to the point that some people do start thinking that rainbows exist because of the gay agenda.
16:20 Luke having a British moment
I’m bi and I have a younger sibling who identifies as a lesbian
Aw yeah baby, excited for this episode!
My gay great uncle is actually adopted so I do have a gay uncle but we're not related by blood!
4:02 Hasn't there been evidence that people who have been pregnant retain small numbers of cells with the baby's DNA all over their bodies, even in their brains, for years after the pregnancy?
I am gay and my younger brother is straight but asexual.
i am bisexual and i have a sister whos also bisexual
Thats what you thought Cory - Gayness IS exponential! it just has a hard cap
I have 3 older bio siblings and 3 step siblings, we're all lgbt+
my gay friends like gin and tonics
I am gay. Well, kind of. Also asexual and a trans guy. But I am the older sibling to a younger brother.
41:05 some double audio lol 😅
I was scared I imagined it or smth creepy was happening
thought my headphones were broken
10:23 i think that's a great theory. I also wonder if the institution of marriage and the way it was enforced practically with an iron fist led a lot of gays and bisexuals that would have preferred same sex partners to enter heterosexual marriages for the good of society, their families, their own self preservation, or their God(s)
I'm also a guncle!
I'm gay, and have many siblings haha
I identify as pansexual and i have two older brothers.
I don’t do labels but I’m not straight and I have two older sisters
I’m not gay but am I bisexual and I do have siblings!
I am gay, I have one younger sibling, but I also have a genetic disorder that only an estimated 50K people have, I am Autistic, have Hashimoto's Disease and Idiopathic Juvenile Arthritis.
I am gay, I have siblings and I am an uncle
Yes + yes and I can't wait to be the funky lesbian aunt
Very interesting but have we ever seen this phenomenon in Western culture rather than in some obscure tribes like the Samoan example.
FUCK YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes and Yes (I have siblings and am biromantic ace (also trans))
I have a gay uncle!
I'm the only LGBT in my family. My 2 siblings are straight. I'm Nonbinary AroAce
I'm gay and I do have a gay enby sibling 😂
Vegard!
I'm an a guncle!!
So what about the bisexuals? I think we don't have to see this from a gay/straight side but from a side of being attracted to men vs being attracted to women. Surely this needs to be caused by differences in the brain.
I'm polysexual. If you take a broad definition of gay then I could be considered gay :D
I do have a sister, but she doesn't have children (and probably never will)
😊
Nice
How would you test this? Get a bunch of pregnant women who have had 3 boys. Then wait like 14 years and ask the offspring?
Lots of long term observational studies probably. Not really the sort of thing you can experimentally test to prove
Yes n yes
pronounced Fa - Fa - fe - knee
I'm transbian and I'm the oldest sibling
My mother has three female children who progressively become more cis-het 🤔
i am the gay sibling out of five
Hahaha omg ❤ ABBA
gay episode 🎉
I'm aroace and have a brother lol
I'm bi women. I can confirm we exist. At least I think I exist 👍🏽🌈
Also I have half sister so does that make me half gay half aunt ?🤔
I refuse to validate your soul. This is why I am not subscribing, and definitely not because ive already been subscribed and don't want to unsubscribe just to resubscribe.
Why is Corry so mean to his friends? At this point I'm only watching for Luke, Nick, and guests.
1. He often appears bored when others talk, and may interrupt or belittle them, but constantly needs the spotlight (so much that he's in most thumbnails while the others are just not.)
If you follow similar groups online, ex. Danplan, you may have seen how often there's an exploitative party/dynamic
2. I'm SICK of how rude Corry is. It makes me feel like he needs to work on himself, heavily analyze why he shouldn't be treating his friends like this (ON THE INTERNET), and oh wow so much.
If you don't think this is a problem, listen to the way these guys interact. In this episode Corry joked that Luke was an expert in eugenics. That's incredibly offensive. If you don't think so, go away, i won't try and convince you. In fact, he constantly goes after Luke, and Luke had to diplomatically navigate the situation because it's for the INTERNET. It's often Luke that stops Corry from saying super controversial/iffy things.
3. Humour. This is a show for attention. You have to be entertaining. And BULLYING IS NOT FUNNY STOP THAT.
TL;DR: So my whole thing was basically one big point.
To any stans, I don't feel like arguing my point more if you haven't noticed this problem, or aren't willing to look out for it. If you truly think these guys are perfect funny totally fine buds, then leave this internet stranger alone. That's it.
1. I don’t know how you have an opinion on my appearance whilst others are talking, since I rarely cut to myself when I’m not talking. Regardless, I’m not bored; I’m looking through my notes, fact-checking, and generally trying to run the show.
Interrupting is part of the show? We all do it to each other.
The reason I’m in the thumbnails is a holdover from before I made them. I specifically requested multiple times to not be the only host in the thumbnails, but was told that videos tend to perform better when they use my photo because consistency is more recognisable & at that point Jamp had primarily been using me in thumbnails. Guests are always in the thumbnail.
Luke and I are good friends & business partners. He doesn’t need Sci Guys, he does it because he enjoys the podcast. If my behaviour was exploitative there’s nothing stopping him from stepping back.
2. We’re friends & I’m joking with them. I always check in to make sure everyone is okay. Vegard and I were actually laughing about this yesterday. Why would guests return to the show or continue their friendships with me if I was genuinely being hurtful?
I don’t “go after” Luke? I make jokes with my friend. Luke doesn’t need to stop me from saying controversial things? This is a show, we’re joking and exaggerating for humour’s sake. The podcast is edited, if anyone says anything they’d wouldn’t want on the internet, it won’t go in.
3. I assure you if I only wanted attention there would be easier ways than producing, researching, recording, and editing an entire 1+ hour show every week. We do this show because we enjoy it. If the humour isn’t to your taste, that’s fine, but let’s not pretend that your taste is the be all and end all. Plenty of people *do* enjoy it.
Also who is Nick?
@Sci Guys damn, honestly I did forget his name for a couple episodes and didn't check.
Thanks for replying. It was nice to get insight from the source. However, a lot of people that act a certain way don't realize it until a bit later. So, though my taste isn't the end all be all, I've discussed this matter with others irl, and it's a mixed bag. Some see it, some kinda see it, some don't.
Plus it's amazing that the reply seemed to genuinely believe I'm full of BS. I still think there are a few issues, but if you want goodness, then I'm sure there will be work done to resolve it. And the optimal result IS that I'm full of BS, I don't WANT to be annoyed and distracted by issues, I want to learn and be entertained. I got so frustrated in this episode, I commented, but I've been noticing issues for a while and YES let's hope nothing's actually going on.
TL;DR: I disagree as respectfully as I can at 1:21 am before food. Though I obviously don't know the technicalities of the show, I've watched hundreds of theses. My opinion may or may not have merit... Okay. Thanks for telling me!
Edit: deleted a sentence I didn't finish and forgot how it finished. Honestly this does feel like I replied to a stan. Lmao. But I'm high and a hippie socialist so you get this back.
Anyways, I still won't be replying to any random person who happens to see this and gets mad.
Very funny that everyone involved disagrees with you and you still can’t admit you’re dead wrong.
@Sci Guys that's pretty great! I really hope I'm wrong!
Edit: I wrote out something but honestly it was just me talking to myself. Because this feels like a pissing contest and I'm trying to improve myself. So I'm talking to myself again. I don't have to prove anything, I'm better than that. I don't have to reply to everyone who has a different opinion. People want things from me, but I am not obligated to give. I don't owe people these strange things. My life is centered around freedom and I need to remember that.
@@obviouslyyoucare
😂bruh wtf