The Powerpuff Girls was a show made for everyone. The creators did not have an audience in mind. There was a lot of blood and gore in the first four seasons. Seasons five and six were just the girls doing one thing for the entire episode.
I was about to comment that xD I understand what Gleen meant, as a kid initially I felt the same way, but later I gave a chance to the show and it was super cool with cool fights and even blood. I really recommend the PPG documentary, the creator wanted the show to be somewhat mature contrasting the protagonists, and they were also fans of the N64 and Zelda, unfortunately they weren't able to get a good developer for this game
Same. Thought it was a girly show. Checked it out and thought it was great. Was afraid to admit to my friends in school that i watched it. Little did i know that they too were fans lol
weird how girls enjoy content clearly aimed at young boys all the time but as soon as a cartoon had a female main character it's instantly labeled for girls lol
yeah same with many consoles, its just the better games are going up insanely right now. Over £100 for a conkers bad fur day thats not even rare....shesh!
I liked the Powerpuff Girls (Yes the main characters were girls but it was very much an action-oriented show that had fighting and explosions in it!) and once saw this in the video rental store, but I picked Mario Party 2 instead of it. Probably the better decision, not entirely sure. ;)
Man I'm really glad to hear that you thought this game was hard. I was like 10 when I played this and while I actually kinda liked the show, I was so embarrassed with myself that this game kicked my ass.
i try to stick to 2 a week but i managed to get a fair load of recording done over the bank holiday weekend so i have a load to make. This will probably be the last one until a japanese eye episode this weekend as i need more time to put those together and write the episode :)
Actually, the Powerpuff Girls had an evenly mixed demographic and fanbase. I know I was as much a part of it as my sister. Also, why is Blossom blonde in this game? She's supposed to be a light brunette.
I don't think this guy ever watched this show. Theirs a scene in this show where the blue one rips some monsters spike off his head, then proceeds to stab it through this throat, in which it falls over in a pool of blood. This show is for anyone really. I'm not a big fan but it's a decent show. Don't think it's mlp.
my sister is seven years younger than me and received the ps1 version for her birthday many years back. we both loathed the game, but had some half-decent fun enjoying the horribly flawed gameplay in the multiplayer mode. it's like fighting on crutches, except nobody is laughing at you except yourself.
Y'know, part of it probably comes from being a mother but it drives me up a wall when games (As well as shows and even at times books) are made with little to no effort and are completely half-assed simply because of the notion that kids have "Lower standards." They should have quality entertainment that doesn't look down on them, and when it comes to video games in an era where the larger majority of games are more for adults and teens I wish there were more games for younger or general audiences that were good as they are very far and few between and for every Little Big Planet, Rayman or Worms there's tons of dreck like this just to squeeze bucks out out of parents, and pander and look down on kids. >_< Oh and good review as usual!
Kaye Faye thank you kaye :) its easier to find duds these days with the internet but back then you really had to be careful what you spent your money on!
I loved the show. And Cartoon Network had some fantastic shows back then: Dexter's Laboratory, Cow & Chicken, I am Weasel, Johnny Bravo, Ed, Edd and Eddy, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Swatkats, Samurai Jack.
Yeah, being your n64 channel, the gameplay is nasty, graphics is blocky and ugly, Speeches are muffled, and awful sound repeats all over and over again, but the PlayStation still a lot better
A Powerpuff Girls fighting game? I had no clue a game based on the hit series existed. From the looks of it, Powerpuff Girls: the video game deserves to be overlooked and forgotten. Speaking of Nickelodeon, have you seen some of the newer shows on that channel like Legend of Korra or the new TMNT cartoon? If not, I highly recommend checkin' 'em out.
This was the last game I rented for the N64 from my local video store. It's the worst N64 game I ever played at the time. I spent maybe an hour playing it and returned it the very next day, despite having a five-day rental period.
Ah a nick fan over cartoon network eh glen, please tell me you liked little monsters on nick, that show was brilliant. I been watching the good old PPG on Netflix this past month, so thank you for reviewing the game, now that I seen it, I wanna try it and collect it.
Your voice this time sounded soo frustrated, you are usually way more polite even with arguably terrible games. Looks like I'm not playing this in the everdrive.
well if you have it on your everdrive its worth a play! then you might get the sense of frustration i had with it, i felt it could have been a good game its just so unfinished and buggy
@@n64glennplant Yeah I was the total opposite, I wasn't really into Nickelodeon that much until Spongebob came put :P Before that I only really tuned in for the occasional Rocko or Catdog episode. And I forgot to mention, there was an Ocarina of Time reference in PPG! You gotta give it credit for that haha (here th-cam.com/video/N-KEuSt0lZI/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MamonFighter761)
I agree with u gleen this game does look terrible normally I dont judge games on graphics but this game looks terrible great review gleen this made me laugh
What is it with licensed games copying the gameplay from other games, and yet managing to fuck up what already worked?? I mean, shouldn't COPYING something be the easiest way to make money? You don't have to make your own engine, you don't have to come up with gameplay ideas, you only have to put a new skin of graphics on it... piece of cake right??
As much as I don’t like defending crap like this, it looks like it was made by a very small team with a very short development time. The higher ups probably just told them to make something that doesn’t break with the Powerpuff Girls on it, hoping it would sell because of popularity. Real shame. Powerpuff Girls really did have potential to make a good game out of it.
I had a niece who was young enough at the time the Power Puff Girls where out to be of age to enjoy them who had the t-shirts, and DVD's, so she also had the PS1 version, and it was really really bad, and the Power Puff Girls over all have not been well represented in video game form, with most all the games being cheap cash in titles, but at least DEVO did a song about the Power Puff Girls :D
I'm really not down to do with anything power puff related, over here it was girls and gays who used to walk around with power puff girl bags and things like that, each to their own i guess
***** I was not really into it myself, but put up with it because of my niece at the time, and I'm a big long time DEVO Spud, so almost anything they do is cool by me. :-)
***** Devo is a retro American pop/techno group that has been around sense 1972, that had a big hit in the early 80's with "Whip It", and there lead singer Mark Mothersbaugh also did the music for Pee Wee's Play House, among other TV shows, and movies, they are still together, and touring, but they are in there 60's now. Just word to the wise, some of there music is a bit of a political statement on the NWO(New World Order), and corporatism type stuff, but still campy.
The game is so bad that its real Game starts out with powerpuff girls bakeing a pie mojo steals it and eats it the girls must bring it back and bake a new one
I had this game when i was a kid. It was fun in small doses, like some weird chaotic button smasher type game. The music looping over and over and over is what i personally think is the laziest part of this rushed out game... How could they release it like that???
well the n64 version is worse, its a little better in the ps1 version but no variation means it gets old so quick! i assume it was a very small development team on the back of how bad this is
never play it so cant say something about it I have a ps2 game of the powerpuff girls it not to bad the powerpuff girls is my favorite cartoon of all time
I remember renting this game a long time ago. I liked that show, but this game was complete trash. Probably one of the first bad games I've ever played.
Glad I didn't buy this but Power puff girls was an alright Cartoon. Cell shading would have been better for this game but I think this game was before the whole cell shading thing took off.
was it penny racers that had the cel shaded graphics on n64? I'm quite sure thats the name but my heads gone right now....thats how i imagine this game looking cool
***** Naa Penny Racers was basic for sure with regards to shading but definitely not cell shaded. I could be wrong but as I remember it got big in the next generation in games like Jet Set Radio Dreamcast and Zelda Wind Waker Gamecube. I never remember seeing any cell shading on anything before the Dreamcast. I could be wrong though but I did find this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cel-shaded_video_games
I never played this game and it doesn't looks like I didn't miss anything. I was not a fan of the show either but I did like some other CN shows around the time, mainly Dexter's Laboratory and Johnny Bravo.
while I can tell the game is bad, I do differ w/you on the show itself. I thought it was one of Nicktoon's smarter more subversively funny shows. Also, music by former Devo members and Komeda! ^_^ B.L.O.S.S.O.M. - Komeda
***** deco was bought up in the comments down below! ill have a listen :) i was in my mid to late teens by the time the power puff girls came out though so preferred acted shows like kenan and kel etc
A terrible licensed game that is also a fighter. Such a shame because i love powerpuff girls growing up. I think the only licensed fighting games that are good are Marvel Vs. Capcom *Do they count?* and Injustice. anyway, so you like nick over Cartoon network? Ah, i remember Spongebob. that was a good show.
This is the first time I have ever seen this game because even when I was a kid, I could tell this was a bad game. I didn't need to play it, I just knew it. Sorry you had to play this bud.
I never understood the love for powerpuff girls its same with that damn pony show nowadays. This game is such a bad cashgrab it really hurts to see this in motion. Also this is literally a romhack of that terrible tom and jerry game. I bet VIS Entertainment dissapointed a lot of kids back in the day with this shit they should really be ashamed of themselves.
My God this is awful. The game looks like an alpha build hack at best. What a cheap waste of a license. Kid-oriented or not, the girls did have a rabid fan base back in the day.,,and probably lost a good chunk of them after having played this drek.
keeping it mixed up with genres, i have a few japanese eye episodes lined up to give me some time to work on 4 of the bigger n64 titles I've been wanting to cover for a while now :)
The Powerpuff Girls was a show made for everyone. The creators did not have an audience in mind. There was a lot of blood and gore in the first four seasons. Seasons five and six were just the girls doing one thing for the entire episode.
I was about to comment that xD I understand what Gleen meant, as a kid initially I felt the same way, but later I gave a chance to the show and it was super cool with cool fights and even blood. I really recommend the PPG documentary, the creator wanted the show to be somewhat mature contrasting the protagonists, and they were also fans of the N64 and Zelda, unfortunately they weren't able to get a good developer for this game
Same. Thought it was a girly show. Checked it out and thought it was great. Was afraid to admit to my friends in school that i watched it. Little did i know that they too were fans lol
weird how girls enjoy content clearly aimed at young boys all the time but as soon as a cartoon had a female main character it's instantly labeled for girls lol
It was a great show. The bad guys were the best.
Still better than the 2016 reboot...
True about that... 2016 version just look abandoned and worst idea for CN ended up doing that to all of their old shows :/
Thank god, a review that SAVES me money, instead of costing me it. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go play F1 World Grand Prix.
hehe ill try to keep a balance to save bankrupting you!
***** I think I'll come out ahead. Surely less than 50 percent of the N64 library is worth owning.
yeah same with many consoles, its just the better games are going up insanely right now. Over £100 for a conkers bad fur day thats not even rare....shesh!
I'm a fan of Power Puff Girls but this game looks rather poor.
it sucks more than the grown up power puff girls would have done in real life!
@@n64glennplant Please do NOT picture that in my head
I liked the Powerpuff Girls (Yes the main characters were girls but it was very much an action-oriented show that had fighting and explosions in it!) and once saw this in the video rental store, but I picked Mario Party 2 instead of it. Probably the better decision, not entirely sure. ;)
One of my fav cartoons on CN as a kid! Hey Arnold! Being my fav Nick cartoon show
hey Arnold is awesome, did you see the new movie I think it was last year which finished off the entire story? where he finds his parents again?
Powerpuff Stone.
I'll see myself out.
That’s very true though, except powerstone is 👍
I had no idea this existed. It's like a fever dream.
Lol this just looks like the tom and jerry fighting game on n64.
Me and all my boys watched a few episodes, and we all loved it. I had forgotten how hilarious the show is.
Man I'm really glad to hear that you thought this game was hard. I was like 10 when I played this and while I actually kinda liked the show, I was so embarrassed with myself that this game kicked my ass.
phew - im not alone :)
Great review! I'm hoping you do a video for Mischief Makers at some point. It's a highly underrated game and one of the best 2D games on the N64.
yeah its the only treasure game i haven't reviewed yet, been on my list for a while as its a cool game
Comedy gold as usual! Appreciate the uploads!
i try to stick to 2 a week but i managed to get a fair load of recording done over the bank holiday weekend so i have a load to make. This will probably be the last one until a japanese eye episode this weekend as i need more time to put those together and write the episode :)
Look forward to all of this! :). Remember to still live a life outside of the internet!
Actually, the Powerpuff Girls had an evenly mixed demographic and fanbase. I know I was as much a part of it as my sister.
Also, why is Blossom blonde in this game? She's supposed to be a light brunette.
probably because the developers couldn't be bothered....like the rest of the game they didn't want to work on lol
Is this Power Stone gameplay!?
Haha I know right
I don't think this guy ever watched this show. Theirs a scene in this show where the blue one rips some monsters spike off his head, then proceeds to stab it through this throat, in which it falls over in a pool of blood. This show is for anyone really. I'm not a big fan but it's a decent show. Don't think it's mlp.
That would be Bubbles.
***** thanks.
***** "My Little Pony" as in "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic".
Even as a kid I knew this game sucked.
my sister is seven years younger than me and received the ps1 version for her birthday many years back. we both loathed the game, but had some half-decent fun enjoying the horribly flawed gameplay in the multiplayer mode. it's like fighting on crutches, except nobody is laughing at you except yourself.
Y'know, part of it probably comes from being a mother but it drives me up a wall when games (As well as shows and even at times books) are made with little to no effort and are completely half-assed simply because of the notion that kids have "Lower standards." They should have quality entertainment that doesn't look down on them, and when it comes to video games in an era where the larger majority of games are more for adults and teens I wish there were more games for younger or general audiences that were good as they are very far and few between and for every Little Big Planet, Rayman or Worms there's tons of dreck like this just to squeeze bucks out out of parents, and pander and look down on kids. >_< Oh and good review as usual!
Kaye Faye thank you kaye :) its easier to find duds these days with the internet but back then you really had to be careful what you spent your money on!
Didn't even know that this game existed
XD brilliant mate ! Not so brilliant having to review it I imagine lol
they cant all be winners chaps! ha
This is one of the very last games on the 64. Interesting fact power Puff girls is basically there DeeDee from sector laboratory
I loved the show. And Cartoon Network had some fantastic shows back then: Dexter's Laboratory, Cow & Chicken, I am Weasel, Johnny Bravo, Ed, Edd and Eddy, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Swatkats, Samurai Jack.
What do you think about the PPG n64 game Glenn?
This is the review for it?
Yeah, being your n64 channel, the gameplay is nasty, graphics is blocky and ugly, Speeches are muffled, and awful sound repeats all over and over again, but the PlayStation still a lot better
A Powerpuff Girls fighting game? I had no clue a game based on the hit series existed. From the looks of it, Powerpuff Girls: the video game deserves to be overlooked and forgotten. Speaking of Nickelodeon, have you seen some of the newer shows on that channel like Legend of Korra or the new TMNT cartoon? If not, I highly recommend checkin' 'em out.
nah i haven't seen em! i rarely have time for much TV these days...i could so do with catching up on some good shows but finding time is so damn hard
Didn't even know this existed. It's sad because the PPG have potential to make a really interesting game.
at least it is better than the simpsons wrestling or celebrity deathmatch, right? RIGHT?!
retrovideogamejunkie haha i loved the celebrity death match tv show but not the game
I want AVGN to review it
retrovideogamejunkie Better than The Simpsons Wrestling: Yes.
Better than Celebrity Deathmatch: Hell Nah.
@@n64glennplant The game was actually awesome.
This was the last game I rented for the N64 from my local video store. It's the worst N64 game I ever played at the time. I spent maybe an hour playing it and returned it the very next day, despite having a five-day rental period.
Ah a nick fan over cartoon network eh glen, please tell me you liked little monsters on nick, that show was brilliant.
I been watching the good old PPG on Netflix this past month, so thank you for reviewing the game, now that I seen it, I wanna try it and collect it.
ha i hope you mean real monsters! but no that was probably one of the only nicktoons that i didn't like!
Your voice this time sounded soo frustrated, you are usually way more polite even with arguably terrible games. Looks like I'm not playing this in the everdrive.
well if you have it on your everdrive its worth a play! then you might get the sense of frustration i had with it, i felt it could have been a good game its just so unfinished and buggy
i'm totally finishing up my review for this game on my channel! interesting point of view on this game.
id go as far as to say i think its the only point of view anyone could have on this game hah
even though im a guy, i think im gonna pick this up even though its broken
my goal is to have every n64 game ever released and my quest will not end here :D
And powerstone was a awesome dreamcast game one of my favorites on the system
yeah its super rad! one of the best multiplayer games on the DC!
***** cant wait til your next review my friend
I remember this game ruining my love Power Puff Girls.
i hated most cartoon network shows tbh, really wasn't my style
It wasn't that bad, but I think it was cause I was really really young and it along with Pokemon were like the only shows I watched the most.
pokemon was cool :) i liked the first series but lost interest after that
i broke a sweat watching u play this due to it looking way frustrating to play
yeah its irritating as it looks big time
Many think Deadly Arts or War Gods are the worst N64 fighters.... nope.
ha war gods OMG! sucks so bad
Cartoon Network > Nickelodeon
+BryanX 64 pffff each to their own 😂
@@n64glennplant Yeah I was the total opposite, I wasn't really into Nickelodeon that much until Spongebob came put :P Before that I only really tuned in for the occasional Rocko or Catdog episode.
And I forgot to mention, there was an Ocarina of Time reference in PPG! You gotta give it credit for that haha (here th-cam.com/video/N-KEuSt0lZI/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MamonFighter761)
I agree with u gleen this game does look terrible normally I dont judge games on graphics but this game looks terrible great review gleen this made me laugh
thanks wesker! check back this weekend for a new japanese eye episode :)
ED, EDD AND EDDY! enough said
Why do you punish yourself with this stuff?
so you wont have to :D
ill take that help
I have 2 large 31 year old testicles and I still love old school powerpuff girls
That’s why your balls are so full then 😂
What is it with licensed games copying the gameplay from other games, and yet managing to fuck up what already worked?? I mean, shouldn't COPYING something be the easiest way to make money? You don't have to make your own engine, you don't have to come up with gameplay ideas, you only have to put a new skin of graphics on it... piece of cake right??
Adventure Time has changed the game.
As much as I don’t like defending crap like this, it looks like it was made by a very small team with a very short development time. The higher ups probably just told them to make something that doesn’t break with the Powerpuff Girls on it, hoping it would sell because of popularity. Real shame. Powerpuff Girls really did have potential to make a good game out of it.
Actually it wasent that hard i played it when i was younger an only person i had issues with was mojo
This was another game that I thought was really great when I rented it as a kid. :/
for kids they no doubt dig it but for anyone over the age of like 8 or 9 i think they'd hate it
I had a niece who was young enough at the time the Power Puff Girls where out to be of age to enjoy them who had the t-shirts, and DVD's, so she also had the PS1 version, and it was really really bad, and the Power Puff Girls over all have not been well represented in video game form, with most all the games being cheap cash in titles, but at least DEVO did a song about the Power Puff Girls :D
I'm really not down to do with anything power puff related, over here it was girls and gays who used to walk around with power puff girl bags and things like that, each to their own i guess
***** I was not really into it myself, but put up with it because of my niece at the time, and I'm a big long time DEVO Spud, so almost anything they do is cool by me. :-)
I've no idea what devo is but ill check it out on your recommendation :)
***** Devo is a retro American pop/techno group that has been around sense 1972, that had a big hit in the early 80's with "Whip It", and there lead singer Mark Mothersbaugh also did the music for Pee Wee's Play House, among other TV shows, and movies, they are still together, and touring, but they are in there 60's now. Just word to the wise, some of there music is a bit of a political statement on the NWO(New World Order), and corporatism type stuff, but still campy.
ah i know whip it ha, i hate NWO, anyone who believes it isn't real is a moron imo its clear as daylight thats whats going down
i can picture u holdin this game n starin at it in disgust n with a long sigh sayin that u really dont wana review it but u must
oh dear!
oh dear oh dear - barry chuckle :)
The game is so bad that its real Game starts out with powerpuff girls bakeing a pie mojo steals it and eats it the girls must bring it back and bake a new one
bubbles woohoo...
Powerpuff girls 1998 episodes were the illest😁😁
I hear your power puff girls and I raise you a hey Arnold! 😉
@@n64glennplantI hear your hey Arnold and raise you a SpongeBob (first 3 seasons) 😉
@@yungalucard9139 never did like SpongeBob….
Jesus, rather you than me Glenn.
got to take some for the team with this one!
Thanks for the heads up on this disaster of a game.
God that looks pants...
Never played it. Never will.
I had this game when i was a kid. It was fun in small doses, like some weird chaotic button smasher type game. The music looping over and over and over is what i personally think is the laziest part of this rushed out game... How could they release it like that???
well the n64 version is worse, its a little better in the ps1 version but no variation means it gets old so quick! i assume it was a very small development team on the back of how bad this is
never play it so cant say something about it I have a ps2 game of the powerpuff girls it not to bad the powerpuff girls is my favorite cartoon of all time
I remember renting this game a long time ago. I liked that show, but this game was complete trash. Probably one of the first bad games I've ever played.
Glad I didn't buy this but Power puff girls was an alright Cartoon.
Cell shading would have been better for this game but I think this game was before the whole cell shading thing took off.
was it penny racers that had the cel shaded graphics on n64? I'm quite sure thats the name but my heads gone right now....thats how i imagine this game looking cool
***** Naa Penny Racers was basic for sure with regards to shading but definitely not cell shaded.
I could be wrong but as I remember it got big in the next generation in games like Jet Set Radio Dreamcast and Zelda Wind Waker Gamecube.
I never remember seeing any cell shading on anything before the Dreamcast.
I could be wrong though but I did find this
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cel-shaded_video_games
ah damn i was thinking of choro Q 2 i think it was the cel shaded one
=D hey mate fancy playing Power Puff Girls on 64 trololol
right hook!
or do you wanna play 4chan's favourite game Battletoad's on the wii
Now this is a game I didn't even know it existed.I hated the show so I never bothered with anything bearing it's name. Also only an hour?
because once you've completed it with each girl the games fully finished so nothing more to do in it :(
I never played this game and it doesn't looks like I didn't miss anything.
I was not a fan of the show either but I did like some other CN shows around the time, mainly Dexter's Laboratory and Johnny Bravo.
i own the ps1 version, plays just as shit but the graphics aren't as nice lol
yeah that would make sense to me
while I can tell the game is bad, I do differ w/you on the show itself. I thought it was one of Nicktoon's smarter more subversively funny shows. Also, music by former Devo members and Komeda! ^_^ B.L.O.S.S.O.M. - Komeda
***** deco was bought up in the comments down below! ill have a listen :) i was in my mid to late teens by the time the power puff girls came out though so preferred acted shows like kenan and kel etc
gotcha. Komeda is a great band, btw! Kinda like the Velvet Underground, but new wave.
Yeah I'm glad I didn't play this game.
A terrible licensed game that is also a fighter. Such a shame because i love powerpuff girls growing up.
I think the only licensed fighting games that are good are Marvel Vs. Capcom *Do they count?* and Injustice.
anyway, so you like nick over Cartoon network? Ah, i remember Spongebob. that was a good show.
Wow, this game sucks! Man if I had to play this game in my lifetime, I would be super upset.
This is the 3rd worst n64 ever
This is the first time I have ever seen this game because even when I was a kid, I could tell this was a bad game. I didn't need to play it, I just knew it. Sorry you had to play this bud.
yeah i think everyone should avoid this hah
Lump it in there Superman 64 and Caragedden.
Actually instead of reviewing games like that, why don't you just make a list of top 10 worst N64 games?
hehe yeah i haven't done a top 5 friday in a while but I've been thinking about revamping it for a while and bringing it back
I would just do a top 10 and get the really bad ones out of the way.
I never understood the love for powerpuff girls its same with that damn pony show nowadays. This game is such a bad cashgrab it really hurts to see this in motion. Also this is literally a romhack of that terrible tom and jerry game. I bet VIS Entertainment dissapointed a lot of kids back in the day with this shit they should really be ashamed of themselves.
yeah i know what you mean! i should get around to reviewing tom and jerry soon ust to show how bad it is too and similar!
Yep you really should. Then again it might kill you if you have to play through that after finishing this travesty. xD
My God this is awful. The game looks like an alpha build hack at best. What a cheap waste of a license. Kid-oriented or not, the girls did have a rabid fan base back in the day.,,and probably lost a good chunk of them after having played this drek.
if they did a solid 2d platformed, nice graphics it would have rocked, nobody wanted or needed this style of game
Agreed.
Back to terrible n64 games again, I see? Get some big classics done!
keeping it mixed up with genres, i have a few japanese eye episodes lined up to give me some time to work on 4 of the bigger n64 titles I've been wanting to cover for a while now :)
Thats the same as tom and jerry fists of fury, but that game was good
Never played this game before but I'd heard it was a Powerstone type of game. Going by the review I'll stick to the DC this time.
yeah powerstone is rad...this most certainly isn't