The Formation of a New Organization within the SDA Church
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Time mark 1:18:15.... Yes pastor, yes! I believe with all my soul that this is exactly why Ivor Myers delivered the sermon he did regarding Dr. Vine. He is scared of the conference, scared of the brethren, scared of losing his job, scared of losing his family, scared of losing his money and very very clearly scared of his wife. May he have the beautiful and wonderful experience of realizing Christ is all he needs to be concerned about, just as you did!
Wow that was deep
I am glad you caught that
That’s a foolish comment!
I do not believe that Pastor Myers is afraid of losing money, job ,notoriety, ,etc. He started speaking about these types of issues before 2016.. He was absolutely right. He was like a true prophet as to where this type of ideology would lead.
@@gentlebreeze2622 He might have spoken about this issues in 2016 but you know someone by their actions, and his actions remind me of the Pharisees at the time of Christ specially his comparison of Dr Vine with the devil. It is indeed all about money, as he and others are only taking part what Dr Vine said out of context instead of what he truly said. I was following Ivor Myers for a long time, but since he embraced BLM and the woke agenda, I saw the writing on the wall and stopped following him. If he does not repent and change his ways, his light will grow dim. This is not about the SDA Church but about the leaders that are in apostasy and need to repent else they will enforce future mandates against the freedom of conscience.
Great discussion, let's pray for our leaders and the Church at large. We also need to encourage and pray for Dr Vine, his courage was timely.
The issue is since we have a health message and it should be the right hand of the Gospel, the conferences were supposed to provide exemptions to the members who had chosen not to be vaccinated. On this aspect I give Dr. Conrad the credit. However, the remainder I disagree with. I will trust the conferences with my money, not the independent ministries. For the conferences, the money is managed by a body of people. The independent ministries, the money goes directly in that person's packet. How many of those preachers today are wealthy with the members money? Wake-up people and begin to see what is goin on. Those preachers they realize the excitement they bring in and how the members are captivated. Do not get me wrong, I am not saying initially that was the intention. But as those preachers have begun to be recognized and the money has been flowing, their appetite has become insatiable. The devil takes a seat and blindly they don't realize the enemy is playing them that the focus has been lost. The best way they can continue to fill-up their packets is to continue with the excitement. Give the members what they want to hear. Show them we are walking righteously, the conferences are misleading. I cannot begin to tell how many of those members who are following those independent preachers I talk to, they are not converted, they are just overzealous. They do not have the character of Christ.
"When my advice was asked in reference to the Madison school, I said, Remain as you are. There is danger in binding every working agency under the dictation of the conference. The Lord did not design that this should be. The circumstances were such that the burden bearers in the Madison school could not bind up their work with the conference. I knew their situation, and when many of the leading men in our conferences ignored them, because they did not place their school under conference dictation, I was shown that they would not be helped by making themselves amenable to the conference. They had better remain as led by God, amenable to Him, to work out His plans. But this matter need not be blazed abroad." (8MR 202.4) Letter 314, 1907, pp. 1-7. (To Elders Daniells and Evans, September 23, 1907.)
Thank you guys for brining this up. i hope everybody know all about this subject. so we can be aware about it.
I was a member of a church back in 2015 and saw this happening and is even so more nowadays. My family and I left that church. I also see how they have grown and influenced so many into believing untruths. The pastors then are now in different parts of the country and high positions in the church. When the first woman Assistant Pastor was approved for that church, they said no one to say anything against it. I left and then my family left. About 90% of the original members have left that church. It's a whole new church membership excluding a few original members. I do believe God is still in control and He will set things right! He will purify the church. Satan can not destroy God's SDA church!!
I pray that you come back to the fold.
Gid will truly purify his church.. Like the last comment stated.. I pray you come back
Its women's ordination that gets me, church voted 4 times NO and then they have the audacity to ordain women!!!
@@MCMSTUDIES Who is this chap Gid
The current organization in its corporate money hungry organization will be swept away, do you want their buildings or you would rather do home churches and move out of the cities now, it's urgent now because the cities are full of vice and crime, if you can do literature evangelism from the outposts, do it now. In Melbourne City we did and still people are doing , giving conflict of the ages series away. We covered country sides back in the 2004 - 2018. We seen uncontrollable fires and floods, destructive storms that brought trees down and power outages for a few days. Politicians are renting on about interest rate rises and the Reserve Bank won't budge. They say it's " inflation, inflation, and inflation, and we have housing shortages, unaffordable rental housings, mortgage rates are too high, mass bankruptcies, suicides, mental health crisis, alcoholism, illicit drugs and meth affected generation walking and killing and robbing. What more to see in these cities, I hear NY and other cities in America are worse.
Thank God I found this channel of people of God standing for the truth and explaining present truths so clearly. We forget and are swallowed by the world culture and are too relaxed. Help us Lord to walk in Your truth! Let us not be afraid Lord!
Thank you.. Praise the Lord...
"God has not set any kingly power in the Seventh-day Adventist Church to control the whole body, or TO CONTROL ANY BRANCH OF THE WORK. He has not provided that the burden of leadership shall rest upon a few men." --Testimonies, Vol. 8, p. 236.
Thank you brothers in Christ. You have the right balance.
Amen! The Lord will take the wheel. No need to separate. God will see us through.
Thought the bible said come out my sheep.... Depart from evil. If they separate and the righteous ones follow that will leave the evil doers. But it will still be a SDA church but not the corrupted one
@beeboktech through the drums and the lack of standards. Remember, by beholding, we become changed. Jesus be ye separate and touch not the unclean thing. Let's ALL have ministries, Let's finish the work with his help. Jesus
The prophet said the layman will finish the work. Let's work.
Nice job guys! I like the idea of writing the leaders of GC and confirm that God will all those accountable for allowing the liberalism and for dismissing freedom of conscience and siding with the 2nd Beast.
Thank you Brothers for the perspective, truly grateful ❤, seriously we are in an emergency, watch and pray
Amen.. praise God
Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God
Facts
The attitude which some of our brethren have assumed toward this enterprise shows that it is not wise for every working agency to be under the dictation of conference officers, There are some enterprises under certain conditions, that will produce better results if standing alone." (8MR 202.3}
If a man knows a lie, he is in serious trouble. If a man teaches error but thinks in his heart it is true, then he will be least in the Kingdom. Liers have no place in the Kingdom.
This was a great discussion and study. Its a serious time we are living in family. Let us hold on to Gods strong and unfailing arm. Man will fall, God cannot- Keep the faith! Thank you for this, I have been feeling discouraged about this church, this was was very encouraging. 🙏🏾 God bless.
If you accept a position in church and elsewhere, you should appreciate the challenges it comes with and do what is right and not be scared. Stick it out and do what you're expected to do.
wow just wow thanks for such open and honest chat.god bless
You are so welcome
What a blessing ,we serve a living and loving God!
Blessed Sabbath, thanks be to God for men like u and Save to serve international.
Yes indeed!
I hate to contradict you but the “principles of truth that God has given to the remnant church” as Sister White states have already been discarded. Our religion has already been changed.
If we don't speak on it, we're in it with them.
When God takes His church back.Bring back the Glory.God loves His people.Amen.
Upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail again it, any new organization it's not biblical , we are seeing 1 Timothy 4 :1&2 prophecy come to past, also rev 12 :17
What a blessing this was. 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
There will not be a new SDA church!
Misunderstandings
Thank you for this timely information. Will certainly continue to pray for God's people. 🙏🙏
Amen
This thing has been a CLICK for about 61 years.
Why is he the president if he has no power, seeing all the harm and evil going on.
He should come out and say something because God is going to hold him accountable.
At the Last GC session he Ted Wilson did a dis- service in not wanting to talk about the coco poison when Johnathan brings up the topic.
Mr Wilson stand up and clearly stated there will be no communication on the topic, so he has issues too.
I don't wanna call him an empty suit, that's not my call... but we have to pray for him... its not easy being in his position
@@MCMSTUDIES what do you mean it not easy being in his position?. The word of God is clear follow that and not man or being a yes man for wife or conference. God alone is to be pleased.
@@BPJ22211 You will understand some day.
And y'all think y'all can do better? You should have done that decades ago! What took you so long? Needed am inspiration?
May I make a suggestion … is it possible to stop using the pages that turn around like a pinwheel when you put up some of your verses…
We all watch your program and To some of our elderly, they cannot concentrate on your versus… your verses are very important to read. They are having a hard time with this Turning in front of them its distracting thank you so much for your consideration.
Amen !!
@26:15 the host asks,
'What would be a certain pillar of our faith that eventually would be eradicated by this new movement?'
Dr. O goes on to give answer that 'it is the sanctuary...which is the foundation of our faith.'
This response is not incorrect. Although... it is peripheral and subordinate to the central foundation, of which was entirely eradicated.
The paramount and the preeminent pillar is or should we say was... WHO our God is.
Is this not why the #1 and #2 fundamental pillars of our church as recorded in our church beliefs of 1872 and reiterated in 1889 and 1914 that which declares WHO our God is?
Let us take due note that this period does span the 50 years of which sister White did speak of.
This was read out earlier from her very direct statement of 1 SM 204.2. @17 min.
So as we well know, the sanctuary pillar has been under attack.
BUT,
What has be much more attacked is the #1 and #2 doctrines of our early church.
The war to defend them has been lost. They have been overturned and just recently discarded.
It officially took place in 1980 Dallas GC conference.
Hence... from that time we have fulfilled and effectuated the much feared and dreaded >new organization
Love the break down
The Holy Spirit is Christ's representative on earth, see Desire of Ages and Acts of the Apostles. In the last days, there are three unclean spirits that the devil is working through, Papacy's wine of Babylon, Apostate Protestantism ( False prophets- a classic one is support for Israel and the third temple hype that has invaded the protestant world) and then there is "Spiritualism" , if you are true follower of Christ since 1844 in the " Most Holy Place" can you discern what is inside the organization you are attending from Sabbath to Sabbath. Can you sense the seducing spirits inside the organization churches? If you don't know these things are taking place right now? You have not been educated in the Bible, Daniel and Revelation and Spirit of Prophecy. Head knowledge is not going to help, we need to be intelligent and spiritual at the same time. Seal of God is practical, intellectual and spiritual.
@@AndrewVellu Thank you for chiming in.
As recorded by sister White in the much referenced DA 671.2. Of which many and most overlook that the Holy Spirit is plainly described by EGW as... 'Christ has given us HIS Spirit as a divine power to overcome'. Amen?
Anti- Godhead is who you are
@@discern3392 Was your comment directed to me?
The pillars of our faith is NOT the conference teaching, rights 🙏🏾.
Happy Gods Sabbath 🙏.
This present SDA is the new organization go read the history of the SDA
AMEN!!!!!!
Agreed. There is no new organization within this new organization.
Many decades ago the old / original organization has been subverted and supplanted by this present new organization. It became fully entrenched by the time of Neil Wilson.
@@SevenThunders-si4ciFacts! I give the host and his guest the benefit of the doubt that they don't know what took place with the Fundamental Principles. We have been in the era of that New Organization since 1980.
He got cancelled due to $$$$. They need folks tithes to continue their vile practices which are mentioned here and elsewhere. Eg speaking in tongues, my oh my.
Happy Sabbath
Very good ,very good seems as we are being taken back to the 1st angels message to separate from the world ,as well as the second angel message ,which says separate from the worldlings who insist on disrespecting God and themselves. Read Spirit of prophecy volume #4 to truly what are the 1st ,2nd, and 3rd angels message. Were being told to sit down in church and shut up. Now the home churches being set up for unbelievers to eat breakfast and lunch and not being told the truth. Home churches so we are separated from sharing the truth. Its called simple church and has been in operation for some years now thru the fallen protestant churches now being implement in all churches state wide . Stand up for Jesus ❤❤❤❤❤
May Each person truly allow the Lord work on their hearts to full repentance. The church is each person who loves Jesus, keeps His commandments and has His faith.
This is the Church. It will be an organized church.
It will go through to the end with Christ at head.
Jesus is not coming for Conferences.
Jesus is coming for people.
“You can’t serve God and mammon”
You are all fighting against the wrong people. That's all you talk about and against, Henriques this and Henriques that. TALK ABOUT THE APOSTASY! People are still going to listen to Henriques because they have been holding the torch against the apostasy for years while you all have been fooling around. Yes, the leaders get away with many things.
Where is brother Hendricks holding the torch from , Does he witness what he talks about , we need to be witnesses of the word we preach , for me what he does is called gossip how does that lift Jesus , We need to be careful ❗️all I see the sermons cause anger amongst brothers and divisions
The people of God is the church, not a organization, Happy Sabbath, May God keep us faithful
My sister... we are organized the same way Israel was organized.
We have 1 General Conference
13 Divisions
In one Division (NAD) we have 9 Union Conferences.
There are local conferences within each of the union conferences.
Each local conference has local churches the compromise of 1.2 million members
Yeah, if you ask me... we are organized!
However, we are ALL members of one body!
If the church was doing righteously, Safe to Serve, and many other independent ministries would gladly follow the General Conference.
I would like to believe that too but unfortunately it’s the money and notoriety that leads them to completely detach from the organisation. If they were true to the Bible & SOP they wouldn’t have gone “rogue”. Both the Bible & SOP clearly advise that the church stick together and let God l, through messages like those given to Dr Vine, shake them out.
They do so much damage by continually attacking the church structure that when the shaking is starting to be felt by everyone many will leave the church against Gods wishes.
@@Joanne_ukElijah Vs Jezebel, Samuel Vs Eli's son @Shiloh, John the baptist and Christ vs. the Sanhedrin, Paul Vs the Jerusalem council are examples of God's church made up of the IRREGULAR and the REGULAR lines, respectively.The former rain on the day of Pentecost fell on the IRREGULAR leg of the church. Are you saying Christ and the apostles should have stuck on with Caiphas, or Elijah with Jezebel and the prophets of Baal?
I believe there is a monetary benefit we may be missing here
That's true. We still have to stay within our lane and not usurp authority, which hasn't been entrusted to us.
King Saul went ahead of the prophet Samuel and the organized church and offered sacrifice. God didn't accept such.
Does anyone get it, you will be forbidden from buying and selling, it's coming, will all the money hoarding be worth anything at the end, knowing that the last days events are fast fulfilling as the testimonies speak. It's the testimonies for the church but also called the Testimonies of the Spirit of God " These testimonies were working with the Patriarchs and Prophets, Prophets and Kings and also through the remnant of Israel, an example is Daniel and the three worthies in the time of Babylon and Medeo Persian kingdoms , in fact through out earths history, even at the advent of the Messiah. Past , Present and Future. There are two SDA reform movements that believe in the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy, Diet Reform, Health Reform, Dress Reform, they do not argue against the s.o.p writings.
The one project may now be defunct but it has many leftovers currently serving in active Church leadership and these are the people Conrad Vine was speaking against. People, for example, who want to make sure that they do not "impinge upon the authority of the state." Diop. President of religious liberty for the worldwide SDA Church if you can believe it.
Yes indeed.. it left a strong order of mendacity
SDA Church leaders should have publicly rebuked One Project it was an open attack on the pillars of adventism, Absolute silence from church leaders taken as approval.
Ecclesiastes 8:11
"Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil."
@@Qty7777 yet no one was canceled!
The One Project is very much alive. Before the pandemic it met more than once a year. Since then it’s only met twice but is meeting again next year in San Diego. Yet no rebuke from the leadership.
What a great podcast. The spirit was with you guys
God works through Men of God... How long you will all keep sit and keep telling the same story.... God will work keep our mouth shout?
The Organization has its own bylaws that was to be followed by all Officers and officials' and members itself. And it is Commanded by a Man and not by the God Authority.
That's not a Church of God. Read the Bible and know the truth, because the TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE..
That little 'Black Book' - bylaws.
....It is in fact created by two enormous assumptions-first, that the Church of Christ "must have a visible head," and secondly, that Peter is that head. The first of these assumptions is thus stated by Cardinal Gibbons:- {October 11, 1894 ATJ, AMS 313.4}
God has never given a hint in his Word that he has appointed any man to be the head of the church. The doctrine of papal supremacy is directly opposed to the teachings of the Scriptures. The pope can have no power over Christ's church except by usurpation. {GC88 51.1} This applies to the President of the SDA church as well!
The formation of a new organization within the sda church.
There was a time when SDAs would speak up. But now I understand why the silence; it's the new culture
But thank the good Lord He has the last say
At 1:03 onward. 💯 agreed infiltration.
ONE OF THE PILLARS OF OUR FAITH THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED IS THAT THERE IS ONE GOD (see what our pioneers believed is the statement of beliefs below) the church now has 3 Gods- God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Notice there was NO TRINITY!
As Stated in the SDA Year Books of 1889-1931…The following propositions may be taken as a summary of the principal features of their religious faith, upon which THERE IS, SO FAR AS WE KNOW, ENTIRE UNANIMITY THROUGHOUT THE BODY.
I. THAT THERE IS ONE GOD, a personal, spiritual being, the creator of all things, omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal; infinite in wisdom, holiness, justice, goodness, truth, and mercy; unchangeable, and everywhere present by his representative, the Holy Spirit. Ps.139:7.
II. THAT THERE IS ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE SON OF THE ETERNAL FATHER…
III - That the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments were given by inspiration of God…
The Alpha was Pantheism!
If you are the dad and knew a certain route have poisonous snakes yet it is short cut to the shop and you sent your son to go buy some groceries and told him he must follow the short cut,and by doing that your son got bitten a good Samaritan took your son to hospital and he got well
But you after your child is healed you said nothing to your injured son even when the child said please father apologize to me and also caution my siblings that in future let's not go on short cut road let's follow the common way
Do I still consider you a legitimate dad or will your children look at you as a step dad that is how we see you and fellow conference leadership mates please just apologize it won't take your leadership from you but if you continue with your pride and trying to justify your errors the laity will definitely look for another leadership
Thank God Jesus is our leader.. Amen?
I totally get what you are saying, and I appreciate your analogy - praise God brother that GOD and God alone is our Father, none of these conference leaders hold that position, they may behave like it but they will be Humbled!
Keep the faith my brother, God does not sleep and He will keep us through this storm. He is the Captain of our lives.🙏🏾
In the brought in people who didn't have a clue on doctrine, leadership said they would teach them later. Never happened. See what it is now.
What about the work? Reaching the lost, you got to have a ministry to finish the work.
Pray tell what was Ellen G White’s position for diverting her tithes from established channels?
To me that’s what CV was talking about.
I have heard of this matter, I would like to hear more honest discussion on this. 🤔
Tithe
It has been presented to me for years that my tithe was to be appropriated by myself to aid the white and colored ministers who were neglected and did not receive sufficient properly to support their families. When my attention was called to aged ministers, white or black, it was my special duty to investigate into their necessities and supply their needs. This was to be my special work, and I have done this in a number of cases. No man should give notoriety to the fact that in special cases the tithe is used in that way. {2MR 99.3}
In regard to the colored work in the South, that field has been and is still being robbed of the means that should come to the workers in that field. If there have been cases where our sisters have appropriated their tithe to the support of the ministers working for the colored people in the South, let every man, if he is wise, hold his peace. {2MR 99.4}
I have myself appropriated my tithe to the most needy cases brought to my notice. I have been instructed to do this, and as the money is not withheld from the Lord's treasury, it is not a matter that should be commented upon, for it will necessitate my making known these matters, which I do not desire to do, because it is not best. {2MR 99.5}
Some cases have been kept before me for years, and I have supplied their needs from the tithe, as God has instructed me to do. And if any person shall say to me, Sister White, will you appropriate my tithe where you know it is most needed, I shall say, Yes, I will; and I have done so. I commend those sisters who have placed their tithe where it is most needed to help to do a work that is being left undone. If this matter is given publicity, it will create a knowledge which would better be left as it is. I do not care to give publicity to this work which the Lord has appointed me to do, and others to do. {2MR 100.1}
@@colliscox481
Amen!!!!!!
We don't need a new organization. That is what the GC has already given to us. We need to go back the bible and the SP and start living by what God said and stop all the sinning being done in the name of the SDA church.
What was the example of Jesus and His disciples..?
Brother Larry, You know that I said Daniel 12:1 marks the close of probation. I never said that Probation is closed now . Where did the Elder get that statement? You 3 need to do a refresher's course on our 28 fundamental doctrines .smile
Rodney, the pastor , mentioned someone else.. As a matter of fact, I stated that you were correct! SMILE!
Probation dosent close all at the same time, dose it ? Reed. Eze 9
@@danielvoncina3396 There is only ONE close of probation!!!!
@@MCMSTUDIES Brethren, You need to get your message straight and know the order of events as we approach the end of times !!!!
Yes the situation seems to be way way bigger than just what Dr Conrad Vine had said...God is clearly not happy with GC they know exactly what they are on about...people God is angry He is busy exposing all error and cleaning up His church...
We should walk after the spirit of God only and not after the multitude of discrepancies and confusion.
Yes Vine didn't say ABC as people may be dismissed as quoting him wrong or putting words in his mouth. Yes you are right. But not that we all are educated to know instigation tactics. Same games in politics where one can say this and an uproar occurs, who would be held responsible, both the instigator and those that revolted.
Well shaking has to happen to fulfill scripture. Who knew the devil could use the best creature in Eden, who would thought he would use Judas.
We are in for a rollercoaster surprise prior to a time of trouble as was never.
Lines will be drawn so closer home than this.
Amongst all the rebukes pressed by many independent ministries…only ONE cause the “STIR” is TITHES. Yah Money.
Non of the independent churches provide tithes to the storehouse anyway. So why mention it.
Only because the corruption was seen by many. Do you know what Mega Churches do with their tithes? The Minister and their concubines meet at hotels and swimming pools and travel private jets etc etc and are not ashamed that they are doing these things in the name of the Lord. SDA conference, many many ministers are proud to do the same.
@@MCMSTUDIESwhat's the storehouse
I’m surprise that this is a surprise to you all. You’re debating as if you want earth to be your home. The Bible tells us that ALL these things must come to pass and then shall the end come. The debate about wokeness and liberalism seems almost political. All that is happening is to SIFT you to see if you will stand/can stand. All the challenges we go through is preparation for the end times. Exercise wisdom!!!! This just sounds like group think.
@LornaMarine totally agree with you. The line is being drawn in the sand, take a side right or left sheep or goat nation
It's here and been here for years.😮😮
Isaiah 58
CRY ALOUD SPARE NOT TELL MY PEOPLE THEIR SINS...
Dr.O did the independent churches change the logo? It is part of the new movement . I command you for not using in your church. Dr. O Dr. O. God have mercy on us. Thank God for the Holy Spirit of God who gives discernment.
The seventh day Adventist has only one servant of the Lord and she is Ellen G White. No one has been inspired since her time. Isn't the Holy spirit still active in the SDA church?
Is this a political or spiritual podcast? This has happened because truth was placed aside and apostasy has overtaken the church. God allowed this so we all can take a side. The line is being drawn, right or left side, sheep or goat nation
I can't work in the Church, not even sing . We are all ministry's in the church. The music will kill you.ect. where can I attend church?
There is at work among us something akin to a magisterium. It must be exposed & its principles rejected.
Keep it on SDA'S...
With what was said, re not leaving the church and that God will cleanse the church, is it OK to not send my tithe to the conference ?
All the pillars: Prophecy, Sabbath, Sanctuary, 10 Commandments, Health reform, State of Dead, and the 3 angels message. How many are left?
That there is one God the Father and His Son
Where are you? Yeah, I've been looking at this for years now and soon much more. Hello
Read the "Broken blue print".
It here Now a been here.
My answer neither-= Holy.
What is the definition of the church is my question? Cause 1Tim3:15 tell us what the church is.. Also in Matt18:20“For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.”
Even Sis white explains what the church is….
"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" (Matthew 18:20). Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church. Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides, let it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city enclosed in prison walls." uL 315
The spirit of prophecy is not the writings of Ellen G White it's the testimony of Jesus. When seventh day Adventist speaks of inspiration it's only seen as the writing of Ellen G White. The problem with seventh day Adventist is that only Ellen G White is considered to be inspired. The prophetic gift is not a continued source of inspiration, it's stops with the writing of Ellen G White.
I can't set at church and do nothing.
30:00 isn't it like with the king of the north? The church used to teach Eastern question and it was turkey as king of the north in Daniel 11:40-45 with literal interpretation but it was later changed to spiritual interpretation with papacy
The two kingdoms, that are opposing each other has to be obvious in order to understand the events that make Michael to stand up for His people, Probation is closed. Ask your self is turkey doing anything lately, signs of the probation closing is within the church
I have already mentioned, drums and bedlam of noise
Is it the result of COVID?
Church members, too . I can't find a church in Ohio.
I’m so confused. I’m a 5th generation of 7th day Adventist. I’m starting to to doubt the Bible. The science is getting to my brain. What’s you gold for people??😢
Do individual studies and seek God in prayer. In order to be grounded you have to do these things for yourself.
The trinity is the new organization devil worshiping that's reasons why the SDA IS IN THIS MESS ,they forsake the One True God and His only Begotten Son (Michael) Jesus Christ and their Spirit the Comforter.
Wil be Dr. O??
What happened on July 13 2024?
Assassination attempt. It left a stain in the air.. a shift was to take place.
@@MCMSTUDIES Doesn't Trump have a strong affiliation with the Rev 13 beast?
Is not that particular event one of many staged events to come?
Let's not grossly underestimate the adversary.
Have a little respect for Dr. Vine.
Dr. O is a charismatic crazy. No genuinely saved person will elevate White's messages with the sacred writings of scripture.
Please clarify. Where in this video does he highlight otherwise?
Dear Brothers, you speak of Shaking? Please return to Ellen's vision, published in her first book "Sketch of Chrisitan Experiences and Views by Ellen G. White, published in 1851. The Shaking vision is not about people being shaken out of the Church. Could you do your homework? This vision was in the middle of December 1848? It had to do what God shook Europe in 1848. Are we using the incorrect word shacking when we should say there is a great falling away from the truth? Apostasy seems like a more correct word than shaking.
We may be speaking of two different things..
Thanks for sharing.
Straight testimonies of the Spirit of God will bring on the shaking. Those who are built on the firm foundation, on the Rock Jesus Christ, will remain, the rest get shaken out. This is my understanding but there are other statements on the shaking of God's church. It's the sealing time for the 144,000, as sealing takes effect, Ezekiel 8, 9 applies.
According to many seventh day Adventist the bible is not complete without the writings of Ellen G White, hence "The bible and the spirit of prophecy prophecy."
She called herself the “lesser light” that points to the “greater light”. EGW is an asset, a blessing, and a light, but we do not believe that the Bible isn’t “complete without” her.
The error is to think that "the spirit of prophecy" refers to EG White writings. The bible has always been complete way before EG White was born. She came in, embraced the bible; and immersed herself into the word of God and humbled herself before God; and God chose her to be His vessle to shed more light to the world. She only magnifies God's word; she expounds wherever necessary. However, before her, the scriptures were already powerful and God had His prophets who magnified His word and led many people to the right path.
Is This The Black GC?.................
Sounds like a question from a snake😏… what do you mean?
As long as the Worldview the same. NOTHING NEW. JUST BUCH OF BLACK PASTORS WITH BIG EGO!!!!!
Okay. You are a snake. 🤷🏾♀️ May God cleanse your heart.
You don't make sense.
@bimosunupoernomo7120 Thank you for telling us how you really feel about certain colors of people , at least you come right out and say it. See many of whom you have mentioned think that people with your views love them and are holier than everybody else, as we can see , NOT SO!
I can't set at church and do nothing.