Hi folks, Jacob here. I want to thank BB for having me on, and all of BB's fans for being so inviting! I had a great time on the show. I also want to apologize for the audio issues I had during the stream. I think that most of the points where I cut out were brief enough that you should be able to connect the dots and figure out what I was saying. But if there are any spots where I got cut out and you want to know what I was saying, feel free to reply to this comment with a time stamp it and I'll offer a transcript.
2:18:25 how you were talking about Aqua’s VA was how I felt about Aerith’s KH2/AC voice where in an interview she sounded normal but as Aerith, she sounded very monotone/tired and always made me think she was about to fall asleep.
Ali Hillis is another good example of an actually good voice actress who got held back by bad or just questionable voice direction. While playing as Lightning in the XIII games, it almost feels like she was being told to act so stoically for the role, and then it turns out she was always capable of expressing herself when you hear her voice characters like Palutena in Kid Icarus Uprising
Soo I'm catching this after work and I end up staying up to watch it because I'm soo engrossed in learning about the behind the scenes and how Jacob has compiled all this information. like I'm gonna be referencing this and showing it to my friends who are square enix fans but don't really get into the how the sausage is made side of things. I'm following Jacob's stuff now and I really really hope you guys do more talks like this because it is hella good. bless you both.
Its like these guys knew every single problem I have with modern KH. KH3 is a fine game but the way people say that the story telling and voice acting is the same as the old games makes is something I really don't agree with. The way they told stories in the previous games really came off like it was good for both 10-15 year old audiences. I sure hope one day square will give KH games the same every they're giving to the new FF games from rectifying their mistakes. (As long as there's enough drive and creative freedom)
bro these talks are sooooo good to listen to. I never knew anything about the development of any game but these things are really interesting and make you understand why games come out the way they do. Please do more of these with people.
from when you were talking about why the city got cut from FF15, it somehow made me think of San Fransokyo from KH3. I guess becuz flying through the city was a major flex in that world, Square Enix flexing the technology of making and handling cities now xD
Funny enough that accessory that makes your party members safe from your own magic was actually exclusive to people that bought the season pass before Royal Edition came out.
This was great and I could listen to this topic of conversation for hours. The absolute failure of Square-Enix and what caused it fascinates and concerns me. I'm a little harder on Nomura than you guys, but I can admit that he has a creative genius to him that when properly harnessed makes me lose my entire mind.
That was so entertaining to watch but my god, it's so depressing to hear about all the problems within KH and Nomura being overworked and all the problems with KH. Let's just hope things get better from now on.
Really long episode, but god the amount of revelation and content here was amazing. I feel like I learned a lot about KH and FF even though I've followed both for a long time. This was fun
Jacob made a great point about people who played ff15 not playing the dlc, but still loving the branding and it being a commercial success. I personally bought all the dlc, but I only actually played episode gladiolus
yeah I'm just listening and wanted to say that "Xigbar" or in other words the persona that luxu has been wearing for all these games is now concluded in KH3, from this point forward it's back to luxu
In which case, I'd still argue in favor of Jacob's frustration since Braig/Xigbar's "arc" didn't really end in any way shape or form, or if it did it sure wasn't beautifully or skillfully done. Braig/Xigbar was following Xehanort lusting for the Keyblade and power, fought in the battle, then faked his death and turned out to be Luxu. That's not... what is even "ending" about his character arc, if it turns out the arc didn't even "begin" properly considering Braig was a fake persona Luxu created? Braig never came full circle as a character. He simply removed his mask and kept on going like it was no business of his anymore.
I hope you guys can keep doing these streams talking about video games and interesting game concepts and development stuff also. I super enjoyed this very much and I hope these types of discussion videos can continue as like a mini seires
@@axsprime Oh it is indeed a joint effort, but Nomura played a part. In fact probably the worst thing was he he kept commenting on how Aya, the main character, so "so sexy and realistic," and just looking at the game can show how warped that thought is.
i enjoyed third birthday when i played it back in earlier 2010s, but i only did one play through and haven't played it since so i don't remember much, nor did i ever play the parasite eve games, i would like to know what is wrong with it? as someone who barely remembers it but thought it was fun like in 2012 or w/e it was
No joke, Type-0 is a fun action game. Unlike FFXV, which Tabata also worked on, Type-0 actually has combat beyond hold the circle button. Actually, it has gameplay similar to BBS in that you have your basic attacks, two custom attack commands, and a custom recovery/defense command. The basic combos are also more advanced than just a basic three hit combo. There's combat variety with the TWELVE playable characters, all with unique weapons and combat styles. The main character, Ace, fights with cards, for crying out loud. After playing XV, I definitely recommend it just to see what the GOOD FNC video game action gameplay was like because it's a lot more fun than XV, imo.
Thank you! Type 0's combat is super fun, all characters play so differently and allow you to approach combat however you choose, it's proof that Final Fantasy is capable of an, albeit somewhat basic, good combat system. I'm hoping XVI is going to have great combat, but with the battle director of DMCV behind it, I'm hyped.
@@ML-yn9yu Same here! My hopeful theory is that with Fate “defeated” you’ll be able to make unique choices that can essentially give you the og story So that we can get best of both worlds
that issue where jacob's voice kept cutting out can easily be solved by going into discord's setting->voice and video->uncheck "automatically determine input sensitivity".
I don't think the 2011 Versus 13 gameplay seemed that ambitious because looking at games like Uncharted 2, God of War 3 or Killzone 2 which had insane visuals for PS3 I think they could do it on PS3
Yeah, Plus MGS V ran on the ps3 as well. I think they got further a long with development of Versus XIII when they entered full production than they’ll ever admit. They should’ve just released that build near the launch of PS4.
@@DJCoolK1dThe thing is Square loves doing trailers of fake gameplay (D23 of KH3 for example) so most people assume that the FFversus13 trailers were bullshit.
Re: Gackt preventing a Crisis Core re-release--as a casual Gackt fan I feel obligated to point out that there has never been any hint from any involved party that Gackt is the one preventing a Crisis Core re-release. Personally I have no doubt that that is the case, but he's never mentioned anything about it in any interview and neither has anyone at Square, not even a vague citation of "creative differences" that would be expected in a situation like that. If you have sources to the contrary I would love a link (not sarcasm, genuine interest), because it's something I've been curious about for years and have never been able to find legit info on. There are a lot of forum posts of people saying "Gackt won't let Square re-release CC" but zero actual interviews with Gackt or a Square employee to back that up. It's just a logical assumption people have made and I'd love to know how true it is, out of curiosity. It's worth noting that as of 2014, Gackt releases music under his self-owned independent record label, so I don't think there are any managerial issues preventing his likeness from being reused if he so desired. Like, if he and Square wanted to come to the table about licensing now, with the 7 Remake(s) in full swing, I don't know of any outside reason why they couldn't, or any other parties who would need to be involved in the negotiations. But Gackt doesn't need the money, if money is what the issue is, since commercially he's still very successful and is keeping busy with various projects. I think if anything he simply might not be interested. He is the sort of artist who prides himself on constantly challenging himself, taking on new projects and artistic formats, and in general never resting on his laurels, so I imagine he inherently wouldn't have much interest in re-negotiating his previous license with Square even if it would be easy money. And if there really *was* bad blood there and he didn't enjoy working with Square in the first place? Then yeah, forget about it. He has no pressing reason to give them his licensing rights again. Though, given how well 7R1 sold, and how it tried to gently fold in aspects of all of the previous Compilation, Gackt agreeing to come in to record a couple of lines of dialogue for a flashback or something in a future part would not surprise me in the slightest, either. That seems like something he might agree to do, if his and Square's relationship isn't sour--which of course it might be. We just don't know. Personally I think it has to be, because otherwise CC would have at least gotten a Vita port, but that's just my opinion. The great irony is that Genesis is such a terribly written character that remaking Crisis Core from the ground up with him entirely removed would result in a better narrative. But that's not what potential buyers of a CC remake would be after, and would hurt sales even more than the alternative, which would be 1) recasting Genesis's Japanese VA and re-recording all of his voice lines, 2) redoing his in-game model and replacing every scene with him in it, and 3) recreating from scratch every pre-rendered cutscene with his character. All of that is doable, but would turn a CC HD port from "quick easy money" to "An Actual Project Basically," and why should Square bother with that when people are going to buy 7R2 in droves regardless?
Is BB's rundown of the KH3 ost somewhere on the internet? I'm a music theory guy and a KH guy, so KH music is one of my nerdiest passions. I'd love to hear what he had to say
the accesory that prevents magic friendly fire was actually before gladio came out under the season pass exclusive for the holiday pack+ a month after 15 came out. so ya you had to basicly pay for a season pass to not friendly fire.
I think the composer for flags of fury meant the intro to the song needed to be memorable BECAUSE it's heard a lot. like persona 5's last surprise/takeover, the intro needs a lot of care and a nice hook to feel hype and not repetitive. I'd say he got it, though the quire is kinda weird. edit: I don't like nomura but I will stand nomura belts until the end.
I've been saying for over two years that kh3 development got screwed by ff15 nice to see two people who agree. Square had its low point from 09-17, but I think they are on the other side of that now.
If anything the low price for the FFXV dlcs should be that they didn't cost much to produce. One thing you're missing when comparing it to the pricing of the KH3 dlc is that XV uses an inhouse engine and doesn't have to pay royalties to an outside company. Even if XV's DLC did cost more than KH3's they keep a higher amount of their profit on it
I love watching these vods on YT but for those of you who watch BB’s streams, should I just catch them on Twitch instead? I usually don’t have the time to watch life but it’s still lovely to read chat and listen
I'd say there's a balance between acknowledging that one creator is not responsible for all of the problems with something as interwoven and inherently marketing focus as a video game, and being too restrained when it comes to calling out creators for aspects that are more then likely, if not explicitly, the result of their weaknesses. Then again maybe I'm too overly critical since you guys go on to say that you don't think Nomura is a good writer.
May I disagree about the FF XV DLCs not doing good. I would like to point out that if they were selling that poorly then they wouldn't have announced the second set in the first place.
Well, Gladio's dlc still was terrible... They sold season pass so of course they earn a lot of money as most of the players paid for something they couldn't rate yet...
There is so much to nitpick on this comment that I, of the time of writing, don't know where to begin. To preface, I believe there isn't any actual public account of the dlc sales so it is difficult to argue or have a say in regards to that. One thing that can be said is public opinion of said dlc was met with disappointment as there was a loss of expectations when it relates to the dlc contributing to the story as a whole. (to be fair the episodes got better as it went on. episode Gladio seemed one note, not well thought out, and can be seen as a side scrolling battle game but in 3D. Episode Prompto got better but the aiming mechanic felt clunky and the snow mobile part seemed gimmicky as there was no real reason to level up. The best episode by far in terms of adding to the story was episode ignis as it actually had a hand in changing the story's ending while also being fun, providing character development, and add to Luna's brother character. Episode Ardyn leaves a sour taste in everyone's mouth as it was promised to be 1 of 4 episodes planned for the next dlc however square decided not to give fans what they promised and canceled all further dlc and summed up the expected ending in to a book and moved on to other projects.) So in public opinion it was a failure and can be said that the dlc was not seen to be as profitable as other projects so with that reasoning, sales were a failure.
@@Cycadia Well, it's a combo of not giving people what they want and the fact that the announcement of the cancellation of further DLC was due to SE taking heavy financial losses. Combined with Tabata having announced his resignation from the company not long before that, they realistically began to cancel shit with FFXV DLC being the first on the chopping block.
I never said anything about quality, cuz that's a whole nother story. I said that IF the first set of DLCs never sold well in the first place then the second set would not have been announced at all. I think it's safe to assume that the first set did well enough commercially and critically for them to even try to do the second set in the first place even if 3 out of 4 got canceled in the end.
I vote to abandon neo-SE and focus on supporting the efforts of Yoshi P and Creative Business Unit III. They proved their worth with FF XIV: Endwalker. That story was a straight up masterpiece and better than any story I have ever consumed period.
Jaw drop...... I have not even play the DLC of KH3 Hearing this is basisly GOSPEL. So Why should I pay good money for bad. As they say. THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THERE HOUSE DOWN
I like Jacob, Jacob has a lot of info...but my God does he take FOREVER to get to a single point he's trying to make here. Edit: He picks it up much more in the 2nd half. But it's still 'sheesh brother, could you please just be 50% more direct.'
His mic keeps cutting out and it's really fucking irritating, sorry but UGH It's actually giving me a headache trying to comprehend what he's saying. BB you should have tried to make an effort to fix his mic or something
"XIII is a hallway simulator" is such an NPC take at this point. So many people have been finally going back and realizing how good it is. Pete Dorr listed it as one of his top 10 games of the 2010s (and I do too, as well as others I know IRL). Opinion of XIII online is the epitome of making it cool to hate a game in advance so people don't even have a chance to like it.
Wow I can't believe THE Pete Dorr put FF13 in his top ten list. Everyone who played and disliked the game becuase of it's huge glaring problems are in fact FACTUALLY wrong of their own personal opinon. After all, if "some guy" nobody has ever heard of says the game is good, it must be a fact.
I've been saying this for a while but ever since FF15 Square has absolutely tanked in quality with every game since. It's why I'm not even remotely interested in FF16 and why I'm kinda sad they're making NieR Replicant.
FFXIV Shadowbringers, KH3 Remind, and FF7:Re aren't good? I can understand you not liking story decisions for FF:Re and especially KH3 base but FF7:Re is a well made game and Remind really showed that the current KH3 game does understand how to make good bosses and the combat update really uplifted the combat of KH3.
I was in the exact same boat until I found out that it's being produced by the guy who oversees FFXIV (and I hear Shadowbringers is on par with the best of FF in the story department) and the combat is being directed by the guy who did DMCV's combat! That alone gives me some confidence.
This is such an erroneous take that I can't even. Uninformed as you can get, too, as Square's not the developer of Replicant, as it wasn't with Automata, but the publisher. I'm not invalidating how you feel about it, it's just that, respectfully, at least 5 minutes of basic research can go a long way before you pretend you know a thing about game development. Especially when you're gonna shit talk and do a critique like this.
I don't know, man. If the other games past one had guys who 'got it', KH would still be some basic bitch coming of age tale story. At least there's some wacky narrative about creation going on here versus 'boy leaves nest'.
Yeah, no. For starters, many of Nomura's wacky concepts are nothing more than that - wacky concepts. The idea of Ansem being some other guy who got his identity stolen for basically no reason is a prime example of that: it adds literally nothing to the narrative and just makes discussing the history/characters unnecessarily confusing. Secondly, a ridiculously overcomplicated narrative is a really bad fit for a universe that is a mass Disney crossover - at least, one handled in this manner, where the Disney appearances are all heavily locked down and basically just feature either abridged retellings of the movies they're based on, or filler adventures, before the player leaves the world and doesn't look back. The simple and clean plot of KH1 was a beautifully perfect fit for a largely Disney universe. Third, even when you put the Disney content aside - Square fails to properly develop this wannabe complex narrative. Most of the Organization members in KH2 had nearly no impact on the main plot (and yes, this even includes Xaldin, since he only has an impact on the plot of Beast's Castle). The big badass Deep Dive scene from the secret ending of KH1 that was supposed to be a big teaser for KH2 doesn't even FEATURE in KH2 - we get some clips from it with nearly no context. The main plot of the series just spun its wheels for a decade before DDD came out. Most KH games feature massive amounts of filler, which seems like a Disney world complaint, until you go back and look how CoM did it - it had plot and character development happen BETWEEN the Disney worlds, and those Organization members were pretty strongly fleshed out. Look at the games since, and, well... I mean, just look at KH3, in which we kept getting teased with the realm of darkness until it was actually time to be allowed to do something there. In KH3 we're shown the apprentices reuniting with Ansem the Wise and the scene is set like it's a massively emotional moment... but everything we've ever seen before then, specifically KH2's Ansem Reports, has suggested that the apprentices ALL betrayed AtW. So, like, what the fuck are their actual loyalties? Who knows? The games sure as hell aren't interested in showing us, despite there having been multiple games that featured the apprentices/Organization that released in the 12 years between KH2 and KH3. The fact that you prefer a "wacky narrative" sounds like the unfortunate trend of big budget shows/movies over the last couple years that chased "subverting expectations". You place a lot of arbitrary value on this aspect, and fail to consider whether it actually works within the story that's being told. The idea matters more to you than the successful execution of it. There's a reason BB & Jacob specifically call out Nomura's interview about having to be the one to write KH because no one else gets the plot. It's because this isn't Metal Gear, in which all the wacky concepts have the room to breathe, to grow, to build up. It's because Nomura isn't Kojima, as Kojima can actually do an adequate (or better) job of tying his crazy ideas together coherently. Nomura doesn't have the creative freedom and the dedicated runtime in the KH games to pull this off, nor does he have the levelheadedness needed to rein in his completely unnecessary ideas such as the multiple Ansems, or the group death and "time singularity" nonsense from KH3, nor does he have the patience to put in the hard work to actually get his plot points from Point A to Point B rather than just having, say, Roxas deus ex machina teleport to the Keyblade Graveyard despite the game mentioning multiple times how specific things would need to be done to bring him back. The quality of the writing has been falling ever since KH2 (and this includes KH2). It's very apparent that Nomura is doing more and more of the writing himself, with fewer and fewer people around to edit his work, to tell him that certain ideas are ridiculous and unnecessary, to handle the boring grunt work of plot and character establishment/development. It doesn't help that Nomura himself has been stretched so thin for so long, either. So it's not just that he struggles with these aspects, it's that he doesn't have the time TO struggle with them.
Eh. I'm happy with the boy leaves nest story that is KH1. That, and it's also a story where the light is good and the darkness is evil, not having characters who have reveled in committing acts of darkness have said acts waived like it was nothing.
Hi folks, Jacob here. I want to thank BB for having me on, and all of BB's fans for being so inviting! I had a great time on the show. I also want to apologize for the audio issues I had during the stream. I think that most of the points where I cut out were brief enough that you should be able to connect the dots and figure out what I was saying. But if there are any spots where I got cut out and you want to know what I was saying, feel free to reply to this comment with a time stamp it and I'll offer a transcript.
2:15:11 when he said "my boy terra" i thought he was gonna follow with thundercock
BRUH this crossover is more powerful than Avengers Endgame lol
2:18:25 how you were talking about Aqua’s VA was how I felt about Aerith’s KH2/AC voice where in an interview she sounded normal but as Aerith, she sounded very monotone/tired and always made me think she was about to fall asleep.
Ali Hillis is another good example of an actually good voice actress who got held back by bad or just questionable voice direction. While playing as Lightning in the XIII games, it almost feels like she was being told to act so stoically for the role, and then it turns out she was always capable of expressing herself when you hear her voice characters like Palutena in Kid Icarus Uprising
Soo I'm catching this after work and I end up staying up to watch it because I'm soo engrossed in learning about the behind the scenes and how Jacob has compiled all this information.
like I'm gonna be referencing this and showing it to my friends who are square enix fans but don't really get into the how the sausage is made side of things. I'm following Jacob's stuff now and I really really hope you guys do more talks like this because it is hella good. bless you both.
Its like these guys knew every single problem I have with modern KH. KH3 is a fine game but the way people say that the story telling and voice acting is the same as the old games makes is something I really don't agree with. The way they told stories in the previous games really came off like it was good for both 10-15 year old audiences. I sure hope one day square will give KH games the same every they're giving to the new FF games from rectifying their mistakes. (As long as there's enough drive and creative freedom)
YO THIS CROSSOVER WHAT. I'm so glad this is happening. Jacob is underrated AF and has a lot of good things to say.
This was a lot of fun to listen to--and man, I felt that conversation at the start about ishimoto's kh3 choir
bro these talks are sooooo good to listen to. I never knew anything about the development of any game but these things are really interesting and make you understand why games come out the way they do. Please do more of these with people.
from when you were talking about why the city got cut from FF15, it somehow made me think of San Fransokyo from KH3. I guess becuz flying through the city was a major flex in that world, Square Enix flexing the technology of making and handling cities now xD
I've been a fan of Jacob before ff15, I'm so glad you two have met. I like you both for similar reason
This stream may as well have been an FFXV Iceberg analysis
Funny enough that accessory that makes your party members safe from your own magic was actually exclusive to people that bought the season pass before Royal Edition came out.
This was great and I could listen to this topic of conversation for hours. The absolute failure of Square-Enix and what caused it fascinates and concerns me.
I'm a little harder on Nomura than you guys, but I can admit that he has a creative genius to him that when properly harnessed makes me lose my entire mind.
''I dont want to paint SE as this horrible evil corporation''...
*2021 Christmas eve*
SE CEO: LETS DO NFTs AND CLOUD GAMES!
That was so entertaining to watch but my god, it's so depressing to hear about all the problems within KH and Nomura being overworked and all the problems with KH.
Let's just hope things get better from now on.
Please make this a weekly/monthly thing. Or a podcast! I would listen the hell out of it.
Nice, it’s cool to see my two favorite KH youtubers in one place 😃
Really long episode, but god the amount of revelation and content here was amazing. I feel like I learned a lot about KH and FF even though I've followed both for a long time. This was fun
Jacob made a great point about people who played ff15 not playing the dlc, but still loving the branding and it being a commercial success. I personally bought all the dlc, but I only actually played episode gladiolus
I feel like Xigbar's character arc is concluded. Now, it's Luxu's time.
yeah I'm just listening and wanted to say that
"Xigbar" or in other words the persona that luxu has been wearing for all these games is now concluded in KH3, from this point forward it's back to luxu
In which case, I'd still argue in favor of Jacob's frustration since Braig/Xigbar's "arc" didn't really end in any way shape or form, or if it did it sure wasn't beautifully or skillfully done.
Braig/Xigbar was following Xehanort lusting for the Keyblade and power, fought in the battle, then faked his death and turned out to be Luxu.
That's not... what is even "ending" about his character arc, if it turns out the arc didn't even "begin" properly considering Braig was a fake persona Luxu created?
Braig never came full circle as a character. He simply removed his mask and kept on going like it was no business of his anymore.
I hope you guys can keep doing these streams talking about video games and interesting game concepts and development stuff also. I super enjoyed this very much and I hope these types of discussion videos can continue as like a mini seires
I’ve recently become a fan of Jacob’s work, I’ll enjoy listening to this.
Just finished, and gotta say loved hearing you guys talk!
"Make fun of Nomura only for things he deserves to be made fun of."
Oh don't worry, I will ALWAYS remember Third Birthday.
Wasn't that Tabata and Troiyama's fault?
@@axsprime Oh it is indeed a joint effort, but Nomura played a part. In fact probably the worst thing was he he kept commenting on how Aya, the main character, so "so sexy and realistic," and just looking at the game can show how warped that thought is.
i enjoyed third birthday when i played it back in earlier 2010s, but i only did one play through and haven't played it since so i don't remember much, nor did i ever play the parasite eve games, i would like to know what is wrong with it? as someone who barely remembers it but thought it was fun like in 2012 or w/e it was
No joke, Type-0 is a fun action game. Unlike FFXV, which Tabata also worked on, Type-0 actually has combat beyond hold the circle button. Actually, it has gameplay similar to BBS in that you have your basic attacks, two custom attack commands, and a custom recovery/defense command. The basic combos are also more advanced than just a basic three hit combo. There's combat variety with the TWELVE playable characters, all with unique weapons and combat styles. The main character, Ace, fights with cards, for crying out loud. After playing XV, I definitely recommend it just to see what the GOOD FNC video game action gameplay was like because it's a lot more fun than XV, imo.
Thank you!
Type 0's combat is super fun, all characters play so differently and allow you to approach combat however you choose, it's proof that Final Fantasy is capable of an, albeit somewhat basic, good combat system.
I'm hoping XVI is going to have great combat, but with the battle director of DMCV behind it, I'm hyped.
Holy shit. This is chill.
Finally finished it. Sooo much insight in this. More of this with Jacob!
Can't believe I'm just finding out about this lol - but still awesome. Hope to see more crossovers like this!
Wow. I didnt catch this live?? Oh well. I know what I'm listening to at work
FF:7:Re’s ending was great and I stand by that 😤
I have faith
Agreed. I loved the ending. I get why purists just wanted their straight port though.
@@ML-yn9yu Same here! My hopeful theory is that with Fate “defeated” you’ll be able to make unique choices that can essentially give you the og story
So that we can get best of both worlds
Nice. This is what I'm talking about.
This 1000% needs to happen again
that issue where jacob's voice kept cutting out can easily be solved by going into discord's setting->voice and video->uncheck "automatically determine input sensitivity".
I felt like Jacob about XV at the time.
Now its like with BBS, I wonder how I got to play it to its conclusion.
Loved this, can we make this a regular thing
I don't think the 2011 Versus 13 gameplay seemed that ambitious because looking at games like Uncharted 2, God of War 3 or Killzone 2 which had insane visuals for PS3 I think they could do it on PS3
Yeah,
Plus MGS V ran on the ps3 as well.
I think they got further a long with development of Versus XIII when they entered full production than they’ll ever admit. They should’ve just released that build near the launch of PS4.
@@DJCoolK1dThe thing is Square loves doing trailers of fake gameplay (D23 of KH3 for example) so most people assume that the FFversus13 trailers were bullshit.
Re: Gackt preventing a Crisis Core re-release--as a casual Gackt fan I feel obligated to point out that there has never been any hint from any involved party that Gackt is the one preventing a Crisis Core re-release. Personally I have no doubt that that is the case, but he's never mentioned anything about it in any interview and neither has anyone at Square, not even a vague citation of "creative differences" that would be expected in a situation like that. If you have sources to the contrary I would love a link (not sarcasm, genuine interest), because it's something I've been curious about for years and have never been able to find legit info on. There are a lot of forum posts of people saying "Gackt won't let Square re-release CC" but zero actual interviews with Gackt or a Square employee to back that up. It's just a logical assumption people have made and I'd love to know how true it is, out of curiosity.
It's worth noting that as of 2014, Gackt releases music under his self-owned independent record label, so I don't think there are any managerial issues preventing his likeness from being reused if he so desired. Like, if he and Square wanted to come to the table about licensing now, with the 7 Remake(s) in full swing, I don't know of any outside reason why they couldn't, or any other parties who would need to be involved in the negotiations. But Gackt doesn't need the money, if money is what the issue is, since commercially he's still very successful and is keeping busy with various projects. I think if anything he simply might not be interested. He is the sort of artist who prides himself on constantly challenging himself, taking on new projects and artistic formats, and in general never resting on his laurels, so I imagine he inherently wouldn't have much interest in re-negotiating his previous license with Square even if it would be easy money. And if there really *was* bad blood there and he didn't enjoy working with Square in the first place? Then yeah, forget about it. He has no pressing reason to give them his licensing rights again. Though, given how well 7R1 sold, and how it tried to gently fold in aspects of all of the previous Compilation, Gackt agreeing to come in to record a couple of lines of dialogue for a flashback or something in a future part would not surprise me in the slightest, either. That seems like something he might agree to do, if his and Square's relationship isn't sour--which of course it might be. We just don't know. Personally I think it has to be, because otherwise CC would have at least gotten a Vita port, but that's just my opinion.
The great irony is that Genesis is such a terribly written character that remaking Crisis Core from the ground up with him entirely removed would result in a better narrative. But that's not what potential buyers of a CC remake would be after, and would hurt sales even more than the alternative, which would be 1) recasting Genesis's Japanese VA and re-recording all of his voice lines, 2) redoing his in-game model and replacing every scene with him in it, and 3) recreating from scratch every pre-rendered cutscene with his character. All of that is doable, but would turn a CC HD port from "quick easy money" to "An Actual Project Basically," and why should Square bother with that when people are going to buy 7R2 in droves regardless?
Agreed. I don't think thats the case. if it was I think square would be smart enough to update the image so it doesn't look like him.
Is BB's rundown of the KH3 ost somewhere on the internet? I'm a music theory guy and a KH guy, so KH music is one of my nerdiest passions. I'd love to hear what he had to say
Unfortunately it was done live on Twitch and the VOD is gone.
the accesory that prevents magic friendly fire was actually before gladio came out under the season pass exclusive for the holiday pack+ a month after 15 came out. so ya you had to basicly pay for a season pass to not friendly fire.
Even then it kinda sucks you have to waste an accessory slot just to make magic a little less useless. Same with the super armiger thing
@@cryguy0000Magic was hilariously busted in FF15? You could get like 10 levels off the EXP boosting magic off one fight
Squeenix making itself suffer
I think the composer for flags of fury meant the intro to the song needed to be memorable BECAUSE it's heard a lot.
like persona 5's last surprise/takeover, the intro needs a lot of care and a nice hook to feel hype and not repetitive.
I'd say he got it, though the quire is kinda weird.
edit: I don't like nomura but I will stand nomura belts until the end.
I've been saying for over two years that kh3 development got screwed by ff15 nice to see two people who agree. Square had its low point from 09-17, but I think they are on the other side of that now.
If anything the low price for the FFXV dlcs should be that they didn't cost much to produce. One thing you're missing when comparing it to the pricing of the KH3 dlc is that XV uses an inhouse engine and doesn't have to pay royalties to an outside company. Even if XV's DLC did cost more than KH3's they keep a higher amount of their profit on it
Can we take a moment to appreciate Kawakami? That's all.
I love watching these vods on YT but for those of you who watch BB’s streams, should I just catch them on Twitch instead? I usually don’t have the time to watch life but it’s still lovely to read chat and listen
I'd say there's a balance between acknowledging that one creator is not responsible for all of the problems with something as interwoven and inherently marketing focus as a video game, and being too restrained when it comes to calling out creators for aspects that are more then likely, if not explicitly, the result of their weaknesses. Then again maybe I'm too overly critical since you guys go on to say that you don't think Nomura is a good writer.
May I disagree about the FF XV DLCs not doing good. I would like to point out that if they were selling that poorly then they wouldn't have announced the second set in the first place.
Well, Gladio's dlc still was terrible... They sold season pass so of course they earn a lot of money as most of the players paid for something they couldn't rate yet...
There is so much to nitpick on this comment that I, of the time of writing, don't know where to begin. To preface, I believe there isn't any actual public account of the dlc sales so it is difficult to argue or have a say in regards to that. One thing that can be said is public opinion of said dlc was met with disappointment as there was a loss of expectations when it relates to the dlc contributing to the story as a whole. (to be fair the episodes got better as it went on. episode Gladio seemed one note, not well thought out, and can be seen as a side scrolling battle game but in 3D. Episode Prompto got better but the aiming mechanic felt clunky and the snow mobile part seemed gimmicky as there was no real reason to level up. The best episode by far in terms of adding to the story was episode ignis as it actually had a hand in changing the story's ending while also being fun, providing character development, and add to Luna's brother character. Episode Ardyn leaves a sour taste in everyone's mouth as it was promised to be 1 of 4 episodes planned for the next dlc however square decided not to give fans what they promised and canceled all further dlc and summed up the expected ending in to a book and moved on to other projects.) So in public opinion it was a failure and can be said that the dlc was not seen to be as profitable as other projects so with that reasoning, sales were a failure.
@@Cycadia Well, it's a combo of not giving people what they want and the fact that the announcement of the cancellation of further DLC was due to SE taking heavy financial losses. Combined with Tabata having announced his resignation from the company not long before that, they realistically began to cancel shit with FFXV DLC being the first on the chopping block.
I never said anything about quality, cuz that's a whole nother story. I said that IF the first set of DLCs never sold well in the first place then the second set would not have been announced at all. I think it's safe to assume that the first set did well enough commercially and critically for them to even try to do the second set in the first place even if 3 out of 4 got canceled in the end.
@@OPLOmega it was actually day of announcing s2 dlc cancellation lol
Yo why is Drake Bell here
Two of my favorite KH TH-camrs in a detailed discussion? What is this, a crossover episode?
Oh no Final Fantasy 7 and 13 have a lot of spin-offs, 7 , 13 ,Kingdom Hearts? Nomura?
1:35:16 the defeat! LOL!!!
Frustrated Bizkitz
I vote to abandon neo-SE and focus on supporting the efforts of Yoshi P and Creative Business Unit III. They proved their worth with FF XIV: Endwalker. That story was a straight up masterpiece and better than any story I have ever consumed period.
This was a nice surprise 😊
Disney was the mastermind all along
Is Jacob constantly being censored by the editor or does his voice naturally cut out so much?
Could by call quality, it happens.
It’s the call quality. This was happening on stream as well
Jaw drop......
I have not even play the DLC of KH3
Hearing this is basisly GOSPEL. So Why should I pay good money for bad. As they say. THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THERE HOUSE DOWN
I like Jacob, Jacob has a lot of info...but my God does he take FOREVER to get to a single point he's trying to make here.
Edit: He picks it up much more in the 2nd half. But it's still 'sheesh brother, could you please just be 50% more direct.'
His mic keeps cutting out and it's really fucking irritating, sorry but UGH
It's actually giving me a headache trying to comprehend what he's saying. BB you should have tried to make an effort to fix his mic or something
"XIII is a hallway simulator" is such an NPC take at this point. So many people have been finally going back and realizing how good it is. Pete Dorr listed it as one of his top 10 games of the 2010s (and I do too, as well as others I know IRL). Opinion of XIII online is the epitome of making it cool to hate a game in advance so people don't even have a chance to like it.
Despite being good or bad,it's a hallway simulator
@@zeno24f57 so is X though
Wow I can't believe THE Pete Dorr put FF13 in his top ten list. Everyone who played and disliked the game becuase of it's huge glaring problems are in fact FACTUALLY wrong of their own personal opinon. After all, if "some guy" nobody has ever heard of says the game is good, it must be a fact.
@@neobahumuth6 nope X does linearity well, unlike XIII.
@@zeno24f57 I beg to differ, it's just as poorly if not worse ppl just like to overhype X design while hiding the flaws of it
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This was great
I am an old chapter 13 survivor as well, I got the game when it first came out. The royal edition is so much nicer
OH SHIT
assuming you read the comments (you probably don't), here's a breakdown od the duscae combat system th-cam.com/video/Qr2t2Si60Ak/w-d-xo.html
2:20:00
This is the best fucking thing ever
Ok Jacob seems like a nice dude but idk about him saying he liked bbs better than 2 and that he liked ff7r ending
Even though Nomura didn't make 7R's ending, I still really dislike the direction the writers took with it.
Badass? Yes. Necessary? Eh...no.
OMGGGG
Holy Christ why so many ads
Best girl in first minute
I've been saying this for a while but ever since FF15 Square has absolutely tanked in quality with every game since. It's why I'm not even remotely interested in FF16 and why I'm kinda sad they're making NieR Replicant.
FFXIV Shadowbringers, KH3 Remind, and FF7:Re aren't good? I can understand you not liking story decisions for FF:Re and especially KH3 base but FF7:Re is a well made game and Remind really showed that the current KH3 game does understand how to make good bosses and the combat update really uplifted the combat of KH3.
I was in the exact same boat until I found out that it's being produced by the guy who oversees FFXIV (and I hear Shadowbringers is on par with the best of FF in the story department) and the combat is being directed by the guy who did DMCV's combat!
That alone gives me some confidence.
This is such an erroneous take that I can't even.
Uninformed as you can get, too, as Square's not the developer of Replicant, as it wasn't with Automata, but the publisher.
I'm not invalidating how you feel about it, it's just that, respectfully, at least 5 minutes of basic research can go a long way before you pretend you know a thing about game development. Especially when you're gonna shit talk and do a critique like this.
>Dragon Quest XI
>Trials of Mana
>FF7 Remake
>Octopath Traveler
>Dragon Quest Builders 2
Bait.
Sick bait
I don't know, man. If the other games past one had guys who 'got it', KH would still be some basic bitch coming of age tale story. At least there's some wacky narrative about creation going on here versus 'boy leaves nest'.
Yeah, no.
For starters, many of Nomura's wacky concepts are nothing more than that - wacky concepts. The idea of Ansem being some other guy who got his identity stolen for basically no reason is a prime example of that: it adds literally nothing to the narrative and just makes discussing the history/characters unnecessarily confusing.
Secondly, a ridiculously overcomplicated narrative is a really bad fit for a universe that is a mass Disney crossover - at least, one handled in this manner, where the Disney appearances are all heavily locked down and basically just feature either abridged retellings of the movies they're based on, or filler adventures, before the player leaves the world and doesn't look back. The simple and clean plot of KH1 was a beautifully perfect fit for a largely Disney universe.
Third, even when you put the Disney content aside - Square fails to properly develop this wannabe complex narrative. Most of the Organization members in KH2 had nearly no impact on the main plot (and yes, this even includes Xaldin, since he only has an impact on the plot of Beast's Castle). The big badass Deep Dive scene from the secret ending of KH1 that was supposed to be a big teaser for KH2 doesn't even FEATURE in KH2 - we get some clips from it with nearly no context. The main plot of the series just spun its wheels for a decade before DDD came out. Most KH games feature massive amounts of filler, which seems like a Disney world complaint, until you go back and look how CoM did it - it had plot and character development happen BETWEEN the Disney worlds, and those Organization members were pretty strongly fleshed out. Look at the games since, and, well... I mean, just look at KH3, in which we kept getting teased with the realm of darkness until it was actually time to be allowed to do something there. In KH3 we're shown the apprentices reuniting with Ansem the Wise and the scene is set like it's a massively emotional moment... but everything we've ever seen before then, specifically KH2's Ansem Reports, has suggested that the apprentices ALL betrayed AtW. So, like, what the fuck are their actual loyalties? Who knows? The games sure as hell aren't interested in showing us, despite there having been multiple games that featured the apprentices/Organization that released in the 12 years between KH2 and KH3.
The fact that you prefer a "wacky narrative" sounds like the unfortunate trend of big budget shows/movies over the last couple years that chased "subverting expectations". You place a lot of arbitrary value on this aspect, and fail to consider whether it actually works within the story that's being told. The idea matters more to you than the successful execution of it.
There's a reason BB & Jacob specifically call out Nomura's interview about having to be the one to write KH because no one else gets the plot. It's because this isn't Metal Gear, in which all the wacky concepts have the room to breathe, to grow, to build up. It's because Nomura isn't Kojima, as Kojima can actually do an adequate (or better) job of tying his crazy ideas together coherently. Nomura doesn't have the creative freedom and the dedicated runtime in the KH games to pull this off, nor does he have the levelheadedness needed to rein in his completely unnecessary ideas such as the multiple Ansems, or the group death and "time singularity" nonsense from KH3, nor does he have the patience to put in the hard work to actually get his plot points from Point A to Point B rather than just having, say, Roxas deus ex machina teleport to the Keyblade Graveyard despite the game mentioning multiple times how specific things would need to be done to bring him back.
The quality of the writing has been falling ever since KH2 (and this includes KH2). It's very apparent that Nomura is doing more and more of the writing himself, with fewer and fewer people around to edit his work, to tell him that certain ideas are ridiculous and unnecessary, to handle the boring grunt work of plot and character establishment/development.
It doesn't help that Nomura himself has been stretched so thin for so long, either. So it's not just that he struggles with these aspects, it's that he doesn't have the time TO struggle with them.
Eh. I'm happy with the boy leaves nest story that is KH1. That, and it's also a story where the light is good and the darkness is evil, not having characters who have reveled in committing acts of darkness have said acts waived like it was nothing.