I don't recall hearing this ever, in 70 years, though playing Bach in recitals for 60 of them, until it was broadcast on KUSC the other night. I wasn't that wowed by that performance, more delighted by this one for sure, but it's great to know it is in the canon. Gorgeous piece.
@Jay Preis i'm not concluiding nothing, i'm asking you if any Vivaldi work was of taste to Bach... If any Bach transcription was merely by pleasure... Sorry my english. Saludos desde México!
It is strange that the third performer (Savall? I don't know) is not indicated, as if the gamba plays itself. In any case, this classic performance is exemplary. As for the countless comments about “Vivaldi's presence” here... Vivaldi is certainly a highest level composer who had an exceptional influence on his contemporaries, including Bach. But the distance from his music to this work is like from earth to heaven.
Super. j ai vu aussi le scrolling de Chaconne de J.S Bach. J'espère que vous ferez de même pour les 4 saisons de Vivaldi, surtout l'hiver et l'été. Julia Fischer joue merveilleusement bien ces trois œuvres musicales...
@@canman5060 No. The toccata-like opening reflects the _stylus phantasticus,_ which originated in Italy long before Vivaldi was born and spread to Germany and the Netherlands long before Bach was born. You simply have a hard need to believe Vivaldi influenced everything Bach wrote. Bach had other influences and was composing masterpieces long before he ever came across a Vivaldi score. You hear violin passagework over a pedal point and assume this must be Vivaldi. North German composers were writing violin passagework over pedal points before Bach and Vivaldi were born. You read somewhere that Bach wrote several keyboard arrangements of string concertos by Vivaldi (and other Italians), so you assume he must have admired Vivaldi so much that he imitated him. Keyboard arrangements of Italian strings concertos were popular in the Netherlands and Germany around the time Bach composed his. Italian strings concertos were all the rage in Germany around that time. At the time, Bach was court organist to the coreigning dukes of Weimar. He wrote the keyboard arrangements on commission or to expand his repertoire as court organist, not to learn from or pay homage to Vivaldi. You never stop to ask who influenced Vivaldi.
Odin G.S I don't think anyone anywhere at any time has ever been exposed and grown accustomed to atonal music with nonfunctional harmony before they have been exposed and grown accustomed to tonal music.
Daniel Hartnett You completely misunderstand, pop music’s harmony, while tonal, is based on loops rather than a grammatical flow of tension and release leading to a cadence. My point is that, while many bach pieces are appealing to listeners who are not familiar with classical music, this one would probably be harder to enjoy.
I can't see any parallel fifths or ninths? Where are they exactly? Edit: That was weird, TH-cam was showing me the comment section of the E minor sonata and the video of the G major sonata! Anyway, there's nothing wrong with parallel 9ths as long as both parts make sense. The A in the base and the C sharp in the violin are passing notes, the C sharp being an accented passing note. Well spotted though.
I know this is 4 years old but for personal reasons of learning please correct me if I am wrong, but the violin plays a passing note to B and the harmony is the same the bass just moving to a seventh it's not bad considering they don't need preparation. also if the 8th notes in the bass ( B-A ) were dotted there would be no problem at all contrapuntally.
I don't recall hearing this ever, in 70 years, though playing Bach in recitals for 60 of them, until it was broadcast on KUSC the other night. I wasn't that wowed by that performance, more delighted by this one for sure, but it's great to know it is in the canon. Gorgeous piece.
The Vivaldi influence is strong with this one
Hahahahahhahahah XD
More Paganini
@Jay Preis and one of their transcriptions was made like homage to some composer?
@Jay Preis i'm not concluiding nothing, i'm asking you if any Vivaldi work was of taste to Bach... If any
Bach transcription was merely by pleasure... Sorry my english. Saludos desde México!
@Jay Preis Stop pretending you don't hear the Vivaldi influence, Mr. Internet Smart Guy.
Wow what an underrated piece! I love the gigue.
Yeah, me, too. The middle two movements are growing on me. Those long arabeque phrases... Hard for performers
Sounds like a Vivaldi remix.
Ryan Truong That passage that starts at 1:07 sounds a lot like the grosso concerto from vivaldi's l'estro armonico
Ryan Truong the first movement sounds like vivaldi's concerto for 2 violins and cello
Felix Mendelssohn 0:52 Sounds like the Prelude to Partita in E Major for Violin.
Ryan Truong I also noticed that but we were talking about Vivaldi so I didn't consider mentioning it xD
0:17-0:28 Biber
0:28-0:34 Vivaldi
0:35-0:51 Biber
0:51-1:06 Vivaldi
1:07-1:19 Biber
Listen to Vivaldi's rv 565 the beginning is clearly quoted from the last movement.
Edit: :16 on (th-cam.com/video/6yZaYMfNyfo/w-d-xo.html)
8:52 Vivaldi's rv 578 last movement (near the middle, i believe)
Edit: 7:00 on (th-cam.com/video/71Rhuh2TSR8/w-d-xo.html)
It is strange that the third performer (Savall? I don't know) is not indicated, as if the gamba plays itself. In any case, this classic performance is exemplary.
As for the countless comments about “Vivaldi's presence” here... Vivaldi is certainly a highest level composer who had an exceptional influence on his contemporaries, including Bach. But the distance from his music to this work is like from earth to heaven.
It's definitely not Jordi Savall. I do believe it's Jonathan Manson.
@@invisibules You are correct, this is Jonathan Manson indeed. Thanks.
Je l'adore. Merci beaucoup.
Super. j ai vu aussi le scrolling de Chaconne de J.S Bach. J'espère que vous ferez de même pour les 4 saisons de Vivaldi, surtout l'hiver et l'été. Julia Fischer joue merveilleusement bien ces trois œuvres musicales...
Truly incredible!
Does anyone else feel a strong presence of Vivaldi in this piece???
Yes!
Jay Preis y u hating brah?
fun fact: even though they never met, Bach was inspired by Vivaldi's work, and mixed his style with Vivaldi
This could be by Vivaldi and appeared in the BWV catalog during the 1851 compilation.
@@canman5060 No. The toccata-like opening reflects the _stylus phantasticus,_ which originated in Italy long before Vivaldi was born and spread to Germany and the Netherlands long before Bach was born.
You simply have a hard need to believe Vivaldi influenced everything Bach wrote. Bach had other influences and was composing masterpieces long before he ever came across a Vivaldi score.
You hear violin passagework over a pedal point and assume this must be Vivaldi. North German composers were writing violin passagework over pedal points before Bach and Vivaldi were born.
You read somewhere that Bach wrote several keyboard arrangements of string concertos by Vivaldi (and other Italians), so you assume he must have admired Vivaldi so much that he imitated him. Keyboard arrangements of Italian strings concertos were popular in the Netherlands and Germany around the time Bach composed his. Italian strings concertos were all the rage in Germany around that time. At the time, Bach was court organist to the coreigning dukes of Weimar. He wrote the keyboard arrangements on commission or to expand his repertoire as court organist, not to learn from or pay homage to Vivaldi.
You never stop to ask who influenced Vivaldi.
Who's here from the Preludio from Suzuki book 8?
0:18- 0:28 Sounds like Paganini Caprice 24
This composition is in Suzuki Violin 8.
This is some awesome Bach. Wouldn't recommend this to anyone new to him though.
Why so
Maybe not necessarily Bach, but someone in-familiar with feeling the direction of tonal harmony would not enjoy this as much
Odin G.S I don't think anyone anywhere at any time has ever been exposed and grown accustomed to atonal music with nonfunctional harmony before they have been exposed and grown accustomed to tonal music.
This isn’t really atonal
Daniel Hartnett You completely misunderstand, pop music’s harmony, while tonal, is based on loops rather than a grammatical flow of tension and release leading to a cadence. My point is that, while many bach pieces are appealing to listeners who are not familiar with classical music, this one would probably be harder to enjoy.
Very good! Это великолепная музыка!
Master Music, violon clavecin sublime qui chante la douleur d aimer l impossible amour...
Such beauty
Thanks for uploading!
I know Bach has used parallel fifths before but parallel ninths (01:36)?
I can't see any parallel fifths or ninths? Where are they exactly?
Edit: That was weird, TH-cam was showing me the comment section of the E minor sonata and the video of the G major sonata!
Anyway, there's nothing wrong with parallel 9ths as long as both parts make sense. The A in the base and the C sharp in the violin are passing notes, the C sharp being an accented passing note. Well spotted though.
@@jamesrockybullin5250 I have that same issue sometimes with youtube
@@Eliza-yd7fi eso me pasa a mi cuando se traducen los comentarios
F*ck all musical rules and laws! If the music sounds good, why not?
I know this is 4 years old but for personal reasons of learning please correct me if I am wrong, but the violin plays a passing note to B and the harmony is the same the bass just moving to a seventh it's not bad considering they don't need preparation. also if the 8th notes in the bass ( B-A ) were dotted there would be no problem at all contrapuntally.
Great job!!!
Sounds very much like Vivaldi to me...
Gracias👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Danke Schön!!!
Thank you Gerubach!!
Gracias. 🌹
Biber and vivaldi.
7:15-7:37
surreal
Gigue in E minor
Excellent, but why changing original Bach accidentals and slurs? Didn‘t he know, what he wanted?
One word: Bach.
The beginning sounds like a follie
Maybe this an early work?
Apparently it's Bach's first-written violin sonata.
After Biber...
Spelling error in the beginning. “Contiuno”
вот откуда Паганини спер свои каприсы!!!!!
Lol. What the hell is going on with that chromaticism from 5:05 onwards? That came out of nowhere...
Why am I logged in... this is a random iPad and i never logged in...
This is Vivaldi bye
@@enzocypriani5055 They four seasons isn't exactly a key definition of how Vivaldi sounds.