i think it would be a hard battle in aizens favor 1v1. since he can just manipulate yama with illusions and god only knows what a bankai would be if cornered. (though i think the time space perception, is aizens bankai) what i want to know, is if all battles are that of spirit pressure, how much would someone need to be immune to Aizens hypnosis?
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I think he could have because Yamamoto's reiatsu at that point likely exceeded Aizen's, so he definitely could overpower Kyoka Suigetsu's illusions with sheer force.
I know this isn’t enough evidence to prove Yamamoto winning but Aizen did make an arrancar made specifically to take out his flame . That at least means he saw him as a threat
While this is certainly possible, I also think it's possible he made Wonderweiss to save himself the strength he'd use up against Yamamoto. He still had to worry about potential other threats and could be in a bit of trouble if Yamamoto did enough damage to him. That said, I still think Yamamoto was way stronger, but I don't think Aizen was that confident he'd lose.
@@NekoLilyK probably not. It’s hard to tell since he didn’t see much of either of them communicating, or any like uh them thinking to themselves and gauging what will happen or who will win. It was just straight to the fight
He's old, fiery, proud and is always in a bad mood. Sounds like Gojira to me lmao. Anyway, independently of what we believe, Aizen definitelly believed that Yama could defeat him, otherwise he wouldn't have made an Espada just to counter him. Several people were a threat to him, like Kisuke, Yoruichi and Isshin, but only Yama forced his hand enough to create A LIVING BEING with the sole purpose of bein an anathema to his Zanpakuto.
which means he's fucking useless in an all out war since him using his bankai will nuke everyone. that's like having a nuke in a brawl yeah it's strong but can you use it? nah
@@br5073 he could've blitzed aizen if his bankai wasn't a nuke type bankai. He could've beaten everyone in bleach but couldn't because his bankai would destroy everything. And yes he could've killed ywach before he activated almighty but nah. Yes he's powerful but the power can't be utilitized properly
I always felt like no one tried to solo Yama because they knew they couldn't. Like they say "Fear the old man in a profession where men die young." Also illusions or not, if Yama let loose and incinerated the entire battle field there's nothing anyone (save sealing his power) is doing about that.
To borrow a phrase from Ultraviolet "In a fair fight, you'd beat me...but that's not how I got where I am." That pretty much sums up Aizen's thoughts on the head captain.
Aizen literally could have just hypnotized Yama to believe he's standing in front of him, let Yama destroy himself, the other Shinigami, and fake Karakura town while Aizen just straight up leaves... it's just that simple.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 yamamoto goes on to incinerate everything in existence one by one if required and at that point squad zero pulls up ichibei renames the hogyoku and ks and oetsu 1 hits Aizen
@@emergencyfood3543 The hyogoku would just evolve. Remember the hyogoku only will only grant someone's wish if they have the realistic ability to achieve what it is they want to do. If Aizen would have lost to squad zero flat out the hyogoku never would have responded to him to begin with, your wish has to be doable.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 you forget that Yama already figured a way to deal with that. He let Aizen stab him in the stomach and caught him. Aizen himself admits that he'd likely lose against Yamamoto and that's why he took measures to rig the match from the get go.
I think it is important to mention that Isshin's Getsuga was able to crack his cacoon form. Isshin is strong, but Yama is on an entire different level. Aizen would keep evolving, but Yama would probably still body him until he evolves further.
Thats the thing, with the hogyouku in equation, aizen always wins eventually. Yama would be static, aizen will just keep increasing and here is an interesting detail, unlike ichigo whom aizen underestimated (led to getting mind fucked with delusions) aizen 100% knows that yama is stronger than him thus aizen will not be surprised at all with any crazy shit yama pulls since well its the literal captain commander, with this state of mind, aizen will just evolve without end as his will will not be broken meaning the hogyouku will just juice him to reach his goal (defeatin yama)
Let me shut that notion down As once Aizen fused with Hogyoku his Reiatsu couldn’t be felt this puts him above Yamamoto and ichibei already as in guide book it said if Ichigo doesn’t get the final Getsuga Tenshō there’s no stopping Aizen and the picture of first form Aizen was used. The he literally levels up again after finishing playing with Yoruichi , isshin and Kisuke and one shotting all three of him the moment he decided to fight back. And further back my point Aizen destroyed the cleaner and if you don’t know The Kōtotsu (the cleaner) appears once every seven days to cleanse the area - killing anyone and everything that makes contact with it - to assure that no one can loiter and take advantage of the time distortion. the Kōtotsu is a being of reason and not Reiatsu, as such, nothing can be done to it with Reiatsu. However, Aizen continues to hold his ground and then destroys the Kōtotsu as it gets close by looking at it. The Soul Society has no means of sealing the Kōtotsu. And If a being is caught by the Kōtotsu, they'll be thrown out to a greatly different point in time from when they entered the Precipice World. so that means ichibei and Yamamoto can’t do it either and this is only second form Aizen whose above his first form that would of been capable of soloing the 0 division. Then when Aizen gets to his butterfly form it’s literally stated in bleach unmasked which is the official guide book and it’s canon that Aizen is equal to that of the Soul king “Heading towards the height of God Aizen becomes a replacement for REIO, to create a new world. As an "emissary" to accomplish that noble aim, his awareness of his existence In the level of God sprouted.” And after that when he transformed again he stated to surpass that of the Soul king “By fusing the Hopyoku with his own body, Aizen attempted to evolve into an even higher existence. That final form even surpassed the state of God, and was even devilish. The figure transcending everything isn't like a Shinigami or Hollow, the figure is fantastic/grotesque.” The picture of monster Aizen is shown. Trying to use isshin feat means nothing of cracking the shell means nothing he was playing with them the entire time and their dialogue even says they aren’t even on his level the moment he decided to try he one shotted all of them the official statements back the shit up and you can go watch Seth the programmers video ranking the captains and it’s says he says the same thing that argument is dead in the water base Yhwach= or greater than bankai Yamamoto but weaker than ichibei both being weaker the the cleaner that Aizen destroyed in his second form and none of them were Soul king level probably beside almighty Yhwach was he regained his power and one shot ichibei who he says was superior to bankai Yamamoto calling him the pinnacle of all Shinigami that Yamamoto being stronger that Hogyoku Aizen falls flat in the water and these are the litteral statements on the manga panels and guide books that are in quotations that’s irrefutable as to deny the statements would be trying to put head canon above the authors word which you can’t do.
Scary thing is I feel like he definitely could have with his bankai the only reason why he didn’t is because it would have limited everyone else from their battles. It would have been to destructive.
More than that The world of the living would have burn and Even the water supply and a good chunk of the Ocean would have vaporize that would create a disaster of big proportions
@@framedthunder6436 That, the thing is that Yamma is always "plot nerfed" either by his morals or personality. He wouldn't risk destroying the world with his bankai, which we can be sure of by the mere fact that he told Ichigo to get away not to get caught in the fight and later sacrificing his arms to contain the flames from Ryuujin Jaka. Kubo could actually use the fact that Aizen wanted to make sure Yama wouldn't useZanka no Tachi as one of the reasons why he choose to go to the human world despite knowing that the real Karakura Town was hidden in soul society.
But he said during his battle with Aizen “ they are all willing to die”.. also when they were fighting he had already beaten most of them. So argument negated
I feel like Yamamoto could have easily defeated Aizen at Aizen’s power level at that time, but there was too much potential collateral damage that prevented Yama from unleashing his full power. Aizen knew this and didn’t fear any real attack, but to cover all his bases and instead of confronting Yama head-to-head, he creates Wonderweiss to “seal” his zanpakuto with the aim of preventing him from even participating in the battle. If Aizen would have used Kyoka Suigetsu against him, Yama would have most likely incinerated the entire area to ensure he negated Kyoka Suigetsu’s effect and got Aizen regardless of where he actually was (only if Yamamoto felt like he could or felt like he had no choice).
Yamamoto would destroy Aizen with his bankai. At that point in the story, he didn’t even have the completed Hyogyuko. Old man Yama wouldn’t allow Aizen to fuse with it.
Or alternatively Aizen could've killed him and everyone else before they even realized that they were dead, since they were under the Hypnosis. No offense to Yamamoto's Bankai, but Aizen's Shikai is far more broken.
@@naamari but Yama has so much range attacks that it would difficult for aizen to block every single attack. All it takes is one attack from yamas bankai, and aizen is burned to crisp. I just don’t see aizen beating bankai Yamamoto. Yamamoto wins mid difficulty
not possible, he did use a hado 96 directly and it barely harmed aizen. which again confirms that they are both within the same reaitsu level the novel confirms this even more when we know the requirements for KS to work.
@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 You mention that hado all time, but hado cannot be compared with bankai attack. And Yama wipe the floor with Aizen with bare hands in anime. At this point Aizen is no match for Yama.
@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 Kido isn’t comparable to bankai. It isn’t even comparable to shikai. Do not forget that Ichigo completely nullified a full power Hado 90 from a transformed Aizen.
@@vladgaming2731 Where did Yama 'wiped' the floor with Aizen, did we watch the same fight? not only he was saved by the plot but his attack did shit to Aizen
Aizen literally could have just hypnotized Yama to believe he's standing in front of him, let Yama destroy himself, the other Shinigami, and fake Karakura town while Aizen just straight up leaves... it's just that simple.
Hey Tommo! Love the videos! Here’s a suggestion I’ve seen nobody tackle - What if Neliel was never demoted from being the Tres Espada, and replaced Harribel in the FKK Arc / TYBW / CFYOW?
I think Yamamoto can defeat almost anyone in the bleach universe. He is the most powerful imo. But the amount of collateral damage which he would cause can be fatal and also in some way limiting him as the very thing yama wants to protect will be destroyed. Due to such Yama has to work around ways in order to protect the things he wants to as well as fight to win. Yama has no privilege like any other captain to go all out. Unlike Aizen who just has to destroy everything to win yama has to win while protecting and this is why yama is limited in such fights.
he is not the most powerful Yhwach confirm that he and Bankai Yamamoto are relative in power Ichibei was literally toying around with Yhwach while in his Base state. Yhwach after regaining his power and eyes literally one shot Bankai ichibei who is literally dozens of times stronger than Yamamoto. Yhwach absorbed the SOul king and became massively stronger but was still killed and injured by Ichigo and Aizen.
Ywach/Ichigo/Ichibei/Aizen are 100% above Yamamoto, then we have characters that have a high chance to be stronger, Adult Toshiro/RG trained Byakuya/Bankay Zaraki, rest of royal guards are 50% 50%, sorry but Yamamoto is just a overhype character, strong, top10 but wank too much by fans
@@asasdsaasda He’s the oldest soul reaper. He’s had thousands of years to grow stronger. He has no hollow, no Hogyoku, no Soul King parts or reiatsu, and he can still destroy Soul Society just by releasing his Bankai. Mention the few who can beat him if you want, but the dude’s power is massive without any of the special exceptions that make those others so strong. He definitely is not overhyped, he just isn’t necessarily the most powerful being in the series.
@@iReiGNxx actually the oldest shinigami is ichibei, the reason he can 'destroy' SS is because of the nature of his bankai, I can name you at least 3 shinigami that CA do the same with Yamamoto bankai, not really that impressive power wise at the end of the manga
I don't think Yamamoto can lose 1v1 to anyone. That's why all of his opponents, including in filler, find ways to prevent him from using his full power. If Aizen thought he could win, he wouldn't have sealed his power.
Aizen literally could have just hypnotized Yama to believe he's standing in front of him, let Yama destroy himself, the other Shinigami, and fake Karakura town while Aizen just straight up leaves... it's just that simple.
@Vercusgames lol, that is also why Kenpachi didn't simply go right after Aizen in Hueco Muendo, yet was full willing to go after an espada no.5. why Yammamoto popped out after 20 chapters prepared to suicide.
1 on 1 you say but then mention the fact that of filler, which isn't canon and also the fact that it isn't a 1v1 anymore when wonderweiss and lloyd enter the mix
If Yamamoto wasn't concerned with destroying Karakura town then Yamamoto would probably win by using bankai. But then again we still don't know what Aizen's bankai is yet.
Aizen had no chance against base Yama without wonderweiss, otherwise he wouldn’t have made him. Yama could have just overpowered Aizens Shikai and even if Yama couldn’t find him, the flames would have ended him in the shroud. So basically, no WW means Yama wins hands down.
wrong, please watch their fight again, even a Hado 96 from Yamamoto barely scratched him. in the nvoel its also stated that they both posses similar levels of reaitsu or in your terms Power level aizen stated that he did not posses 100% in beating yamamoto but ask yourself this if your evenly match with your enemy do you have 100% in winning, the answer to that is no which i swhy he created Wonderweiss and other things because he is a smart person and uses his brains.
@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 There's no way that Aizen would have survived Zanka No Tachi West. He couldn't have even touched him. Also, Zanka no Tachi South would have been a BIG problem for Aizen, all of those dead defeated zombies could have seen Aizen since he never showed his shikai release to any of them, Even if Yamamoto couldn't see Aizen, he could just always know where he was because the zombies would be on him. There's a reason Aizen sealed that sword, he stood no chance against it.
@@dstyer6128 Yamamoto would of been under it and he would of manipulated him to using it against the wrong person and two Yamamoto ain’t dumb him going bankai in the world of the living would kill a lot of people and be disastrous for the earth that’s the last thing he wants and Aizen just needs to stall long enough to fuse with Hogyoku then it’s gg
Yamamoto, even with 0 clues as to Aizens weakness (touching kyokasuigetsu) figured out that getting stabbed was his best chance for victory. He also understood that Aizen hypnosis could easily counter any attack and thus decided to set up a area of affect attack that would prevent his escape. The man is on another level even when dealing with Aizen hax powers.
I think the topic of transendant beings and tiers of transendance in Bleach is a point of confusion in the series for a lot of people. Perhaps a video would be warranted discussing what we know about the topic, to help clarify exactly what we know and what we could possibly infer on the subject.
Yamato, to the fake Yhwach: "You can't tell? Here, I'll allow you to perceive my reiatsu". His power is at minimum large enough that it was imperceptible to a being that could be mistaken for a full power Yhwach.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 that never happened. in the databook the moment aizen tarnsformed into Butterfly and Monster form it was stated that he reach the same tier as the Soul King. Yamamoto and ichibei are both Shinigami with Shinigami level reaitsu not transcendent. Yhwach = bankai Yamamoto < Base Ichibei Yhwach stated that only he out of all the quincies had the power to steal his Bankai not only confirming they are on similar tier also confirming tha tyamamoto is stronger than every other Quincy, Yhwach also one shot and instantly killed base Yamamoto like a dog.
@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 What are you talking about? It's in the manga. It's not even hard to find. It's basically the first thing that happens in the fight. If you're going to lie, at least make it possible for someone to believe the lie.
I think it's been implied that Yamaji also has transcendental spiritual pressure. For example when he activated his bankai, no one said its the spiritual pressure of Yamaji, they just felt the moisture in the air evaporating! I might be wrong though
@@A_Black_Sheep94 they recognized because of the loss of moisture in the atmosphere! They never felt his spiritual pressure like centrally bleach did when someone releases his bankai
Aizen would’ve gotten clapped by Yama. Yama with his bankai is pretty much unbeatable. There is a reason Aizen and Yhwach both took it away before stepping up to the old man. Yama is also not given enough credit for his fight IQ. He literally countered Aizen’s hypnosis within like 5 seconds of the fight.
@@asasdsaasda 1.) He purposely got stabbed, if Aizen swung at his head he wouldn’t have stood there and took it like he did. 2.) That was severely injured, exhausted, no sword Yama vs Hog infused Aizen. Even then Aizen is still like “Yo I would’ve gotten rinsed if not for the hog I underestimated him”. Aizen (who knows he has the hog) straight up admits he’d lose to Yama in a straight up fight.
@@asasdsaasda he literally does it to grab aizen...he says as much lol. Stop wanking aizen. Yama's bankai is stronger than all mighty. Let that sink in.
@@asasdsaasda He literally got stabbed, smiled, and was like “IVE GOT YOU NOW”. He then explains the only reason he’s able to grab Aizen with confidence is bc he got stabbed. Otherwise, he wouldn’t know if it was just an illusion or not. You’re right! Sounds like a happy accident to me lmao.
Aizen doesn’t have to be present for his illusions to remain. Also Aizen could leave at anytime via the Garganta or Senkaimon and have Yama kill everyone for nothing. That’s why Yama didn’t even try.
Ultimately, I think what this proves is that Kubo hadn't figured out exactly what he wanted Yama's bankai to be at this point in the story when Aizen and Yama had this exchange. Yama could have easily flicked Zanken no Tachi on and off in the span of a few seconds, insta-killed Aizen, and inflicted less damage to the environment than what he was going for with his special move to kill would have done in the first place.
Analyzing the fight, I do believe that in a 1 v 1, Yama wins. I do believe that he was confident in 1) Identifying that the Aizen he grabbed was the real one. And 2) That he could kill Aizen. I think he just thought he couldn't afford to take the chance and had to make sure there was zero chance of Aizen bamboozling himself out of the situation, thus the burning hell. Obviously Bankai Yama isn't needed and would no diff Aizen, but the collateral damage would be too great. The Hogyoku is always a concern. Maybe it lets him survive the burning hell, but that's a maybe. I think Bankai Yama for sure would bypass the Hogyoku by literally erasing it from existence. The only thing I didn't like about the fight was Yama sacrificing an arm for literally nothing. I feel like it should have at least left Aizen with a permanent scar that would not heal even through his several evolutions.
The hogoku is indestructible we learnt that from urahara and it tanked ichigo final getsuga tensho without even a scratch there is no way he could detsory it
I think your final point is why Aizen wasn't confident in beating Yamamoto when he says "You'd probably win". Aizen thought it was likely Yamamoto would defeat him before the Hogyoku's true powers awaken and that's why he made a contingency plan specifically for Yamamoto so he couldn't take part in the battle and stop Aizen's evolutions before it even begins. I kinda wish now thinking about it that Wonderweiss only stalled Yamamoto but the Hogyoku awakens and we got like 3 chapters of Yamamoto vs Aizen with Aizen continually evolving and becoming too powerful for Yamamoto to handle
Yamamoto literally has max defence and max attack at his disposal so 1v1 i dont think he can be defeated so they only way to deafeat him isto steal his ability
There is somthing I've always wondered when Aizen fights soi fon he explains he can over come her "silly power" (death in 2 stings) by using his spiritual pressure to nullify it because he is so much stronger... well Yamamoto must have wayyyyy more than Aizen why can't he just dispel Aizens illusion power?
As strong as Yama is I think Kubo really tells us throughout the story how steong Aizen is in base, hes not far off from Yama if not on the same power level.
Because Suzumebashi is an offensive power that directly tries to harm the opponent, so if the opponent has enough Reiatsu he can just not be damaged by the attack because his Reiatsu acts as a form of energy shield. However Aizen's power is not a direct confrontation or clash of power but a subtle mind trick, and in Bleach mind attacks seem to completely ignore the power level of the fighters (like how Aizen was tricked by Shinji's Shikai or how even YWACH with part of the Soul King's power was fooled by Kyoka Suigetsu). Here's my two cents on this
Ok so I did make a video on this and I still believe that Yama would beat “base” Aizen. Now besides the fact that Aizen created a modified arrancer to beat Yamamoto; it’s not enough to prove it due to Aizen clearly being afraid of Ryujin jakka’s power. But there is a statement the data book when translated that states “for more than 1000 years, on one who emerged could surpass him, that means even Aizen wasn’t a match”. So basically Yamamoto would have been able to overwhelm Aizen, he was even shocked to see how strong he was without his zanpakuto. Also Yamamoto without any prior info was able to figure his own way to counter kyoka suigetsu. So there you go
Aizen hid his true power though and even Ichigo upon beating him said Aizen was so powerful that all he wanted to be was ordinary at the end of the day.
@@omnishorts12 no...his normal shinigami power. No one knew how strong he was, remember. Everything people knew about him before he defected was a lie.
@@Ephideltrance ok? Then why does that matter? Aizen even said to Yamamoto that if he fought him one on one that he (himself) would have probably lost, even with kyoka suigetsu. if Aizen thought he could beat Yama with his “true power” then he wouldn’t have gone the lengths he did to seal Yama’s sword in the first place.
@@omnishorts12 key word in Aizen's statement is 'probably'. Basically the same as Yamamoto whose first resort was a suicidal technique. If he is so much stronger, why not just kill Aizen outright? Besides, intelligence counts in fights, and let us be real...Aizen is far more intelligent.
My thing is we would have to assume that when they finally captured Aizen and tried to sentence him to death, they did try completely eviscerating his body and couldn't and is why he was simply sentenced to muken instead. I truly believe if there was a way to kill him, they would have after Ichigo and Urahara beat him.
Yamamoto would win against base Aizen, based strictly off manga. The databook and Light Novels also provide more evidence to Yamamoto probably beating Aizen with not too much trouble.
Again, great point from you, just a quick correction in 17:25 approx. remember that Karakura town was replaced for a fake one so Yamamoto needed no special consideration of him killing someone in the town while activating the bankai.
But his bankai can destroy the pillars that keep the “fake” karakura town active. If the towers are gone then his bankai would destroy the real world itself. Tommo said it btw.
@@eldenlean5221 I mean no one talks bad about his bankai, yama literally becomes untouchable to anything physical, but like still based on his strenght he isn't that powerful to like beat everyone, aizen would still just put him under KS and do a full power hado 90 and kill yama
@@VVooshbait If he could just kill Yama that easily why didn't he? Better yet why would he feel the need to create & bring WW or say that he'd lose a 1v1? Aizen's own words and actions don't support your claim. "Based on his strength he isn't that powerful to like beat everyone" what are you even saying? This isn't supported by anything in the series at all.
Databook says they are both 10/10 in Spiritual Pressure. Yama is the only one who had a chance in a straight 1v1 fight. However. Aizen literally could have just hypnotized Yama to believe he's standing in front of him, let Yama destroy himself, the other Shinigami, and fake Karakura town while Aizen just straight up leaves... it's just that simple.
This presents a good debate, i agree! Couldn't have said it better myself you definitely know the story - I truly enjoyed this one. Keep doing what you do, rest assured you do it best!
@@qeditz1547 he will endlessly regen and evolve until he can beat Yamamoto by crushing his bankai ability thought shear difference in power and Yamamoto who has no way to kill him permanently it's my a matter of time
@@VVooshbait More likely, if noone is around, yama unleash bankai. Swings wildly. if aizen tricked him, he just keep on swiping, destroying shit, disentegrating shit, getting awfully close to aizen, Then, eventually, hit near aizen. Aizen tries to escape, but Yama keeps going crazy wit it, destroying chunks of land every swipe. And eventually, hit aizen. killing him. Immortal aizen solos though.
about Soi Fon stuff, we need to remember she already fired bankai 2 times (she said she can do it once usually) and she lost her arm, no wonder her reiatsu was lowered to not be able to use shikai power on Aizen
I agree with you, Aizen would lose before his transformations, maybe even with Yamamoto using only Ryujin Jakka. But after Hyogyoku awakening, Aizen would just come back after every death. Reason for that being that after Aizen was inprisoned, they didn't kill him, because they coudn't. If Yamamoto couldn't kill him while he was in prison, I'm prettt sure he couldn't kill him in battle. But I think that he could inflict damage at the level of Mugetsu, altough that attack by itself wouldn't grant him a win, just as Ichigo would lose the battle if not of Kisuke
You made mention of Gin's attack stitching Aizen back together but I always wondered once we saw Yama being able to literally erase things whether or not his bankai could just erase the hogyoku. Would being hit by Yama's bankai attacks be in the same vein as Mugetsu and the hogyoku just kinda goes "meh"?
hogyoku is basically the miracle but more busted, aizen could just want to be completely unbeatable and he would become immortal, yama's zanka no tachi:north prob wouldn't work since aizen already managed to regenerate from mugetsu which literally erased aizen as well so
@@avatar_of_battle4735 according to cfyow nothing since apparently you can undo it's ability by consuming pieces of the soul king and the hogoku has many fragments of the soul king assimilated in it
If you recall aizen even stated that he intensionally wants Zaraki in hueco Mundo, why because zaraki also has a chance of defeating him at that moment had it been Zaraki was at the Fake Kurakura town then Aizen is done for,,, Zaraki is a good fighter and he has good riatsu level too and the effect of kyoga suigetsu is based on your riatsu level If yout riatsu level is more than Aizen riatsu then kyoga suigetsu will not affect you as seen in dangai ichigo, he fought Aizen and was not affected the kyoga suigetsu
I really like that moment where Yamamoto figured out it was Aizen by the sword in his gut, because it foreshadows Gin doing the exact same thing. I've always wondered if that was the moment Gin found out about Kyoka Suigestsu's weakness. There's no reason for Aizen at that point to tell Gin the weakness of his sword, and it would explain why Gin didn't act until Aizen couldn't be killed.
@@ericb8241 I'm aware. Just speculation from the scenes. It doesn't make any sense for Aizen to give away that information before he's fused with the Hogokyu, especially if he knew Gin wanted to kill him. It makes much more sense that Yamamoto figured it out, and Gin used that to realize he could confirm it as long as he wasn't actively under hypnosis. It just makes no sense for Gin to have known about this for decades and there hasn't been one moment for Gin to use his Bankai.
@@synysterpain that's always been the thing stopping me from saying that it's definitely what happened. It's just so out of character for Aizen to give out that kind of information at that point. Like, if Gin just went to Yamamoto with the plan and that information, Aizen's dead. Maybe he was gambling on Gin wanting to kill him himself, but it still doesn't make sense. My best guess for that is Aizen told Gin to see how he'd react. Gin, knowing that Aizen knew he wanted to kill him, assumed that the information was fake to lure him out until decades later when Yamamoto captured Aizen's arm.
Gin thing is completely different lmao And no it's confirmed Aizen tells his weakness to Gin because after years of collaboration he assumed Gin wasn't going to betray him
Very good, comprehensive and fair-minded analysis, definitely explains both why Aizen didn't want to face Yamamoto one on one, and why Yamamoto was ready to sacrifice himself and much of the Gotei 13 just to ensure Aizen's death.
Aizen didn't risk fight Yamamoto until he was fused with the Hogyoku. I think that says a lot. In my opinion, with the form that Aizen was in when fighting Yamamoto, he would probably stand no chance against him.
I love topics like this. And both sides have such a point that's it would come down to "Plot" if it went that way. Would plot allow Aizen to ascend before Yamamoto burnt him to cinders. However you brought up a super interesting point about Ichigo that makes me want to ask your theory as i've not seen as many conversations on it... Ichigo's Mugetsu was to be the END ALL be all of Ichigo's powers and more so over the EVERYTHING in Bleach. Trancedant beings like Aizen didn't even sense Ichigo's spiritual pressure... So i feel like i should ask. If Ichigo had went about reawakening THAT ability against Yhwach, would it have been enough? Would it had been more than what Ichigo put out before. Could the "Almighty" quincy counter the strike that rips soul reapers powers from their body after use. The hit that even the Hogyoku deemed Aizen no longer worthy of it's powers after taking said hit.
I personally think bankai Yamamoto can keep up until butterfly Aiizen If not I still believe Yamamoto can damage him at his earlier stages to the point the hogukyo will reject him But like you said Yamamoto probably will end it before he even starts transcending
Great video. I’m pretty much on the same boat. I think a good question is an in prime Yama vs Aizen final. The fact that Yama beat Ywach 1000 years ago when he last had the powers of the Almighty which we see it’s the closest power we’ve seen to the Soul king is insane to me. Yama must’ve been even stronger back then which is saying something.
@@MrGksarathy Ywach's Allmighty power 1000 years back than was not fully developed and he could only activate it for a short period of time, sacrificing his entire energy later on. That's why he has to go under hiatus for years before finding the method of controlling his volstanding freely without restrictions. We cant compare Ywach back than and Ywach at present. He is on a totally different league later on...
If Yamamoto was that powerful with one arm while using his Bankai, he would have absolutely erased Aizen from existence with a two handed Zanka no Tachi......until Aizen’s 128384839933 forms would keep leveling him up.
If yamamoto could defeat Ywach with the almighty he definetly could defeat aizen...hence why he went through all the trouble of creating something specifically to seal his flames.
Yamamoto has the power to burn the universe in its entirety so Aizen created a contingency to deal with him. Personally I believe that it would end in mutual destruction or possibly Yamamoto incinerating himself as Aizen watches from a safe distance, Kyoka Suigetsu having done its job.
@@Cosmic8099 I think he's more or so stating the fact that his blade once in bankai is suppose to be as hot as a star. Also if I'm not mistaken, he mentions that if his bankai was to go off that it would pour into other dimensions, so technically killing everyone.
@@Cosmic8099 Mate, Yamamoto's Bankai lets out a spiritual pressure that's as hot as the sun and it's literally said like that. And when Yamamoto condenses that spiritual pressure into his zanpakuto he remove anything from existence.
Yamamoto won't incinerate himself, he would end up burning the entire universe before he dies. Adding to that, we all know that you can beat Kyoka Suigetsu by touching the zanpakuto, this applies for Fake Karakura Town Aizen. For TYBW Aizen since it fused to him I guess he can touch him and it'll be the same.
Aizen would win, shikai to shikai. When Yamamoto initially lunges to attack Aizen, Aizen uses Kyoka Suigetsu to create a duplicate illusion of himself. Unbeknownst to Yamamoto, Aizen is already behind him. Aizen then dispels his illusion and makes himself visible, alerting Yamamoto to his presence. Had Aizen maintained his illusion and continued to obscure his presence-as he did with Harribel-he could’ve simply chopped off Yamamoto’s head and won. So, why didn’t he? Aizen has a massive ego, a God-complex in fact. He feels he is superior to everyone in every aspect, especially strength. So, when Yamamoto asks “Do you really think you can cut me”, he is challenging Aizen’s strength. Aizen’s ego compels him to accept the challenge and he proves that he can indeed cut the Head Captain, seemingly reaffirming his strength. He deliberately chose to: dispel his illusion, reveal himself, and avoid killing Yamamoto in this exchange because you can’t prove anything to a corpse. What about Wonderweiss? Aizen doesn’t like getting his hands dirty. He prefers to delegate tasks to others, despite being perfectly capable of performing those tasks himself. He writes a false letter to coax Toshiro into killing Momo, despite Aizen nearly succeeding in the endeavor himself. He goads Tosen into punishing Grimmjow, despite later showing his ability to punish the 6th Espada with his spiritual pressure alone. He creates the Espada to defeat the captains, despite later demonstrating that he could defeat them on his own. Wonderweiss is yet another tool Aizen uses to avoid dirty work rather than proof of power inferiority to Yamamoto. It’s worth noting that bringing bankai into the conversation is an unfair dynamic, considering Aizen’s bankai is unknown. What is known is that Aizen is the stronger of the two, shikai to shikai.
How do you think I remained Captain-Commander of the Gotei 13 for over a thousand years? No Shinigami born in that entire time has been stronger than I
Yama easily could have killed him. However if he was to do that he would have destroyed the entirety of Fake and Real Karakura town and every single person there as well
Once again, I have the same thought as this as I did with Aizen vs the zero division. But instead of Ichibe being able to remove the power of the hokyoku, couldn't Yamamoto just remove the hokyoku from his existence with his bankai? I mean, he would be hesitant to use it in this scenario, but if you're placing them in a completely neutral area, I think Yamamoto wins this
It depends how smart you think Urahara is. In the story they established that Urahara couldn't find any ways to destroy the Hogyoku, which is why he decided to hide it forever instead. So it all comes down to whether or not Urahara ever researched / asked about Yamamoto's Bankai. If he did, then his Bankai can't destroy the Hogyoku. If he didn't, then there's a chance it might be able to destroy the Hogyoku. Considering the Final Getsuga Tensho came from a being even more advanced than an ascended Aizen was, and that still couldn't break the Hogyoku, I personally don't think Yamamoto's Bankai could destroy it... unless you believe Yamamoto's bankai even surpasses Dangai Ichigo and the Final Getsuga Tensho... which I personally think is unreasonable to consider.
@@Abyssionknight But I don’t think that Urahara has seen/knows about Yamatos Bankai. I think they only Person legt fron the Time were Yamato was actively fighting is Unohana and his Vice Captain. I think the Rest is to Young to know and understand how lethal it is.
Bro imagine underestimating Aizen and the Hogyoku that much LMAO neither Yama nor Ichibei could ever compare to Hogyoku Aizen. Nobody can, except Soul King and people who borrows his powers
It would've been great to find out later (after the TYBW) that old man Yama has knowingly been calling his blade by the wrong name. Purposely nerfing himself while the thought of his true power was absolutely scary.
You know, Aizen probably could have won if he attacked Yamamoto’s head with his first attack. The fact he was able to harm him at all shows how strong he is and that the reiatsu difference between the two isn’t THAT far off.
By the logic Tosen could have won against Zaraki if he attacked Zaraki's head with his first attack when Tosen used bankai since he was able to harm Zaraki .. Oh yeah even Shinji could have won against Aizen if he aimed for AIZEN'S head with his first attack since he also could damage him... Right???
Trick question His bankai wipes aizen Then when he does the Hellfire Monster Mash against the quincys, aizen does some hax bullshit and retains his personality, coming back with some "ahhh just as I planned" nonsense with yamamotos fire, hongyeko, and his own zanpakto probably
@@asasdsaasda Aizen said that Yamamoto's Zanpakuto is the strongest and fighting would put him at a distinct disadvantage which is a fancy way of saying he couldn't beat him. You make sound like it's a small risk when Aizen is saying he can't beat that Zanpakuto
I think I agree with your estimation of the fight. For pre transformation, I think Aizen's plan with Wonderweiss is evidence enough that Yamamoto has the power to win potentially even without bankai. Post transformation in my opinion would just be a question of if Yamamoto could do enough damage quickly enough that the hogyoku couldn't respond. I don't think it is stated but I feel like Aizen could have been beaten even after the hogyoku started transforming him if enough repeated damage could be done before he could finish repairing, but the damage needed to do that was such that no one could do a similarly strong follow up (or just writing).
Yamamoto is a good example of an how a fictional character is written too strong. He was teased as the strongest captain but didn't get to show it. Rather he was put aside so that the antagonists could show off their superiority in battle and strategy. Not just that but he was also way too proud to ask for the help of others such as Orihime or Ichigo. When he faced fake Yhwach with just one arm he lost severally and was humiliated. Kubo had to step in when Yamamoto was weak enough so to give him a battle he couldn't win anymore.
That kinda makes sense but I do think it could have just as well written if you had a battle between bankai yamamoto and the real ywach. The battle should by no means be easy but ywach defeating him in bankai could have been a true display of power. After all we never even saw ywach use Quincy vollstandig
Yamamoto easily… look he didn’t need even cast the hellish spell all he had to do was go bankai and it’s over. This take that he was scared that his bankai wouldn’t work is nonsense. The plot made him unable to show his bankai because they were saving it for the next arc. The spell he was using was damaging everything to include his officers and he was fine with it. Had he done his bankai and caused damage the soul king could have easily fixed things over time. It only takes a sec to end the fight.
It all falls down on one question: does aizen become immortal that early on, or actually die? Yama probably bodies him for about 4-5 transformations then loses if aizens immortal at that point in time, OR, he gets ‘weakened’ like mugetsu did to him, and yama wins
4 transformations what LMAO 1 transformation Aizen was already transcendent. Yama wasn't. 1 transformation Aizen negs Also if the effect is the same as Mugetsu then Aizen wins since Urahara did not yet used his seal technique, Aizen regens and kills Yama
@@MashuSlyferiux hard to regen when your body does not exist, your reiatsu does not exist and hogyoku does not exist because they are all destroyed. I think you don't really understand what being transcendent means.
@@adamkowalski6061 Aizen was hit by mugetsu which was supposed to erase him from existence, yet he still instantly came back cuz the hogyoku. Most attacks in bleach erase stuff from existence anyway.
@@rayvonvelez3129 nope not most of them, there are only a few mentioned that can. Mugetsu fucked up aizen pretty bad, to the point when he was weakened so much that kisuke kidou could seal him and hogyoku rejected him (or not if you don't believe it really rejected him, doesn't matter). Either way after one Yamamoto "mugetsu" there is countless more of them. Is aizen going to survive that? I doubt that.
Yamamoto is hands down stronger than aizen. Aizen and yhwach had plans for him and no one else. Aizen formed an arrancar too seal his power and use it against him. Yhwach literally had a doppelganger fight him had him release his bankia and the moment he sealed it blitz him so he couldn't go back into it. No one else has every needed a plan too kill or disable for victory. And if anyone thinks that anyone in bleach verse is low or mid diff Yamamoto in bankai is outta there mind. Not ichigo any form not aizen any form not yhwach any form not the monk. He says bankai your in for a death fight.
@Eden's Gaming Corner if Yama is in bankai you think the monk inks doing anything? I said in bankai there's nothing you can do against him. And for you too say the monk pushed around the king of the quincies your mistaken Yama defeated him in the past not the monk. Yhwach treats the monk like a kid and diced him in bankai. There's a reason he made sure Yama didn't go back in bankai. Zero division means nothing at all from what everyone read. They were stronger than 13 courts my ass. They got bodied and powered up versions of those that dropped the zero squad got bodied by the 13 courts period.
What if Yamamoto used his bankai and to erase the hogyoku with the tip of his sword? Wasn't that Orihime's plan? It was grabbed by Gin, so it's not like it's intangible or anything. You could argue that it's extremely durable, but Yamamoto's bankai basically bypasses durability due to its insane heat.
Orhime doesn't understand anything about the hogoku so using her that thinking it could work doesn't mean anything from urahara we learn it's supposedly indestructible and it was totally fine despite being in aizen after ichigos mugestu
No Aizen was immortal at that point. Even if Yama killed him with the Hogyoku fused Aizen would just come back stronger and able to easily surpass him. That's the whole reason Ichigo used the Mugetsu because he knew Aizen would continue evolving and become stronger than Dangai. It still didn't work and was lucky Kiskuke was there to seal Aizen.
aizen and yamamoto going all out very hard debate since yamamoto isint sure he can beat aizen and aizen isint sure he can beat yamamoto. yamamoto has a extremely powefull bankai how ever aizen can use his kyouka suigetsu to make yamamoto think hes punishing aizen but punishing himself very hard debate but at the same time its not cuz aizen was starting to tire out because he punished the gotei and the hogyoku was trying to understand
Personally I always believed that Aizen was bluffing when he claimed that he can cancel out Sui-Feng's ability by having more power than she does. Shortly thereafter we find out that the Aizen the Captain's had been attacking up until that point was an illusion, with Aizen even stating that they had never actually been fighting him in the first place. Which would mean that Sui-Feng never actually stung Aizen in the first place. I think that's a much more reasonable explanation for why her 2 hit kill just didn't work on him
We’ve seen attacks having no effects on characters before, look at Ichigo not being able to cut Kenpachi when they fought the first time, when he was unable to damage Grimmjaw until he had his mask on stack on Bankai, and his constant lost to the 4th Espada until their final battle, so Aizen saying that can be a fact.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 thing is tho soi fon bought it so there had to be some precedent plus we see how urahara kido did nothing until aizen was super nerfed so it's an actual thing
26:54 I think he could. East. Kyokujitsujin. Remember? Rroyd: "The point!" Yama: "Correct!" Yama blew away the entire ground without a trace. I'd say that would do it. We never saw that connect with an opponent yet. Just the ground
Aizen literally could have just hypnotized Yama to believe he's standing in front of him, let Yama destroy himself, the other Shinigami, and fake Karakura town while Aizen just straight up leaves... it's just that simple.
One fight analysis I'd really like to see is Yamamoto vs Kyoraku and Ukitake. Yes, it happened in the anime, but we never really got to see details. So now, given what we know now about their powers, I'm tempted to go back to that match-up and explore the possibilities. I keep thinking that maybe Ukitake might be able to absorb and redirect Yamamoto's flames using Sogyo no Kotowari's power, like he did with Starrk's Cero, maybe to the point of turning a flame blast from Ryuujin Jakka into something like a Burner Finger 1 shot directly at Yamamoto.
Here's the thing with Yamamoto and Zanka no Tachi Does it have the power to erase from existence someone like Gerard the Miracle? Gerard, Aizen and Yhwach are the only 3 people that could possibly physically tank Yamamoto's Bankai. So long as he can enter Bankai and fight someone, he will win, no matter what, illusion or no, whatever he is fighting he will win against if he can be in his Bankai state or until completely tired out. Gerard could keep reforming until Yamamoto gets tired? Yhwach would shatter the Bankai with his Almighty (or steal it) and Aizen would be the most susceptible to it. Without the the Hogyoku, Aizen would not win even with Kyoka Suigetsu, he'd have to run away everytime. I think Aizen sealed him with Wonderweiss because he was that terrified of fighting it even in an evolved state (for instance he was fearful of dying from Gin which pushed him to evolve further). So it's a simple a question of; Would Aizen evolve after being erased by Zanka no Tachi? If so, then he would have a power similar to Gerard that allows him to do anything he requires in the moment he needs. Yamamoto's Bankai would remain effective and the supreme victor, but characters like Gerard and Aizen could outlast the destruction until Yamamoto is tired out I think.
Yes even without the hogoku aid after in tybw he came back from being totally annihilated and absorbed by yhwach thanks to the hogoku already granting him immortality let alone with it hew would just reappear and evolve
Aizen doesn't have bankai that's the fact the reason is clear before a shinigami have access to bankai you have to spend time with your blade train with it or use the means Urahara and Ichigo used but Aizen is proud he thinks he can win all battle with is shikai so he doesn't train to attain bankai, evidence is when ICHIGO fought him and explained how he felt loneliness in his sword. And Yamamoto will always win against Aizen no matter what firstly Aizen can never escape the fire if wonder wise did not absorb it and even if Aizen transcend Yamamoto will still sense him reason for this is during the TYBW ARC after all the training in the munken and the transitions they still sensed him it's because the captains have trained more and also sensing a transcended being is based on riatsu level, Ichigo has a very good riatsu that why ishin advised him to do the dangai training plus since he was the one that sensed him after transcending and you can't compare ishin with all other captains their riatsu level defers back to Yamamoto's fight if Yamamoto is not holding back and please don't compare Yamamoto's bankai to Gin's bankai if tanka no tashi west was to hit Aizen's chest, then Aizen's chest and the hygoku will disappear from existence. When Gin hits Aizen, Aizen's body doesn't disappear it just disintegrates to very small particles giving the hygoku something to stich back to place but for Yamamoto it will disappear completely, when Gin fights Ichigo Gin bankai doesn't make Ichigo disappear but if it's Yamamoto bankai then Ichigo would seize in existence
I think theres 2 potential ways to look at Wonderweiss. Either aizen viewed yamamoto as a clear threat and knew he would lose and thus made a counter to stall, or aizen was just being overly cautious. I think the second option is more true than the first. Its possible he didnt know how and when he would ascend, and wanted some level of insurance. And realistically, he is the type of person to take 0 risks even if he knows he is basically guaranteed to win. Even if he thinks he will win, why bother when you can just take losing out of the equation entirely. That being said... i dont think it was smart for yamamoto to not bankai. If his entire plan revolves around blowing them both up since before even starting this whole thing.... it would have been better to have a plan that allowed him to actually bankai and not kill literally everyone. Especially given the outcome of not using bankai had.
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I agree pretty much with everything in this video. I think Yamamoto ideally should be able to push Aizen to maybe at least his first post-cocoon transformation. I would say probably up to Aizen's "butterfly" transformation at the most if he hasn't already rendered him to ash with Zanka no Tachi.
Aizen was letting his guard down that's why Yamaji could hold his hand and later Aizen didn't use his kyōka Suigetsu when Yamaji was on ground because he thought he was done for If Aizen was serious, he could have used Kyōka Suigetsu from start and the battle is done for Aizen slams
Thank you! Every online community talking about this showdown will bend over backwards to declare Aizen weaker because he prepared beforehand but as soon as I bring up Yama's own prep people fall into denial. Yama was willing to wipe out the majority of the Gotei, including himself, just for the POSSIBLE chance to kill Aizen. Thats desperation at its highest level yet people talk like Yama had some imaginary easy win. He was hiding the whole fight prepping his oneshot technique, just hoping.
In the data books, next to Yama’s bankai, it states Aizen was never a true threat. It’s definitely implied that Yama vs Aizen(base) would body him badly which is why Aizen developed Wonderweiss. What good is hypnosis if you can’t even touch nor get anywhere near your opponent because of flames, flames hotter than the sun, turning matter into plasma. Smarter but not stronger, which is why he had to plan a deterrent for Yama. Nice vid as always✅💯
Not saying Yama wouldnt beat Aizen but are u sure about the gap being that big? I havent read the latest databooks but the ones from the earlier arcs showed that Aizen's stats were pretty close to Yamamoto's (Unohana too, tbh).
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Do you think Yamamoto could defeat Aizen back in the FKT arc? Do you agree or disagree with my points? Let me know!
i think it would be a hard battle in aizens favor 1v1. since he can just manipulate yama with illusions and god only knows what a bankai would be if cornered. (though i think the time space perception, is aizens bankai)
what i want to know, is if all battles are that of spirit pressure, how much would someone need to be immune to Aizens hypnosis?
Yet again with the winning thumbnail images I cannot overstate how much they completely snatch my attention keep it up man great thumbnails that match the more impressive content
I think he could have because Yamamoto's reiatsu at that point likely exceeded Aizen's, so he definitely could overpower Kyoka Suigetsu's illusions with sheer force.
@@MrGksarathy I think only In bankai
@@emerspoon Probably.
I know this isn’t enough evidence to prove Yamamoto winning but Aizen did make an arrancar made specifically to take out his flame . That at least means he saw him as a threat
And that was with Yamamoto not using his Bankai.
While this is certainly possible, I also think it's possible he made Wonderweiss to save himself the strength he'd use up against Yamamoto. He still had to worry about potential other threats and could be in a bit of trouble if Yamamoto did enough damage to him. That said, I still think Yamamoto was way stronger, but I don't think Aizen was that confident he'd lose.
@@NekoLilyK Aizen needed to reach his limit as a Shinigami's to evolve
I don't see saving his strenght making too much sense
@@Invictus-Solaris oh yeah true . He could resurrected a bunch of dead arrancars and soul reapers to get to aizen
@@NekoLilyK probably not. It’s hard to tell since he didn’t see much of either of them communicating, or any like uh them thinking to themselves and gauging what will happen or who will win. It was just straight to the fight
Yama’s like a Kaiju. He can’t fight at full power without crushing nearby allies or causing too much collateral damage.
He's old, fiery, proud and is always in a bad mood. Sounds like Gojira to me lmao. Anyway, independently of what we believe, Aizen definitelly believed that Yama could defeat him, otherwise he wouldn't have made an Espada just to counter him. Several people were a threat to him, like Kisuke, Yoruichi and Isshin, but only Yama forced his hand enough to create A LIVING BEING with the sole purpose of bein an anathema to his Zanpakuto.
Or Like Kaiou he cant kill without sounding out vowels
which means he's fucking useless in an all out war since him using his bankai will nuke everyone. that's like having a nuke in a brawl yeah it's strong but can you use it? nah
@@imbangmaynn5705 Bro what? He defeated a vasto lorde level opponent with his fist. Far from useless
@@br5073 he could've blitzed aizen if his bankai wasn't a nuke type bankai. He could've beaten everyone in bleach but couldn't because his bankai would destroy everything. And yes he could've killed ywach before he activated almighty but nah. Yes he's powerful but the power can't be utilitized properly
I always felt like no one tried to solo Yama because they knew they couldn't. Like they say "Fear the old man in a profession where men die young." Also illusions or not, if Yama let loose and incinerated the entire battle field there's nothing anyone (save sealing his power) is doing about that.
i mean the top 5 could easily neg yamamoto, even bankai yamamoto tbh
Plus illusions don't work on the deas
@@XDarksoulX1129 says who?
To borrow a phrase from Ultraviolet
"In a fair fight, you'd beat me...but that's not how I got where I am."
That pretty much sums up Aizen's thoughts on the head captain.
Aizen literally could have just hypnotized Yama to believe he's standing in front of him, let Yama destroy himself, the other Shinigami, and fake Karakura town while Aizen just straight up leaves... it's just that simple.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 yamamoto goes on to incinerate everything in existence one by one if required and at that point squad zero pulls up ichibei renames the hogyoku and ks and oetsu 1 hits Aizen
@@A_Black_Sheep94 Yamamoto decided early on to be peirced so as to feel his reiatsu, at no point would he believe only his senses
@@emergencyfood3543 The hyogoku would just evolve. Remember the hyogoku only will only grant someone's wish if they have the realistic ability to achieve what it is they want to do. If Aizen would have lost to squad zero flat out the hyogoku never would have responded to him to begin with, your wish has to be doable.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 you forget that Yama already figured a way to deal with that. He let Aizen stab him in the stomach and caught him. Aizen himself admits that he'd likely lose against Yamamoto and that's why he took measures to rig the match from the get go.
I think it is important to mention that Isshin's Getsuga was able to crack his cacoon form. Isshin is strong, but Yama is on an entire different level. Aizen would keep evolving, but Yama would probably still body him until he evolves further.
Yeah I feel the same and bear in mind it’s a regular getsuga tensho. Isshin never released his shikai or bankai which is very telling
lol everyone was just playing around with aizen with unrealeased forms.
Thats the thing, with the hogyouku in equation, aizen always wins eventually. Yama would be static, aizen will just keep increasing and here is an interesting detail, unlike ichigo whom aizen underestimated (led to getting mind fucked with delusions) aizen 100% knows that yama is stronger than him thus aizen will not be surprised at all with any crazy shit yama pulls since well its the literal captain commander, with this state of mind, aizen will just evolve without end as his will will not be broken meaning the hogyouku will just juice him to reach his goal (defeatin yama)
Let me shut that notion down
As once Aizen fused with Hogyoku his Reiatsu couldn’t be felt this puts him above Yamamoto and ichibei already as in guide book it said if Ichigo doesn’t get the final Getsuga Tenshō there’s no stopping Aizen and the picture of first form Aizen was used. The he literally levels up again after finishing playing with Yoruichi , isshin and Kisuke and one shotting all three of him the moment he decided to fight back. And further back my point Aizen destroyed the cleaner and if you don’t know The Kōtotsu (the cleaner) appears once every seven days to cleanse the area - killing anyone and everything that makes contact with it - to assure that no one can loiter and take advantage of the time distortion. the Kōtotsu is a being of reason and not Reiatsu, as such, nothing can be done to it with Reiatsu. However, Aizen continues to hold his ground and then destroys the Kōtotsu as it gets close by looking at it. The Soul Society has no means of sealing the Kōtotsu. And If a being is caught by the Kōtotsu, they'll be thrown out to a greatly different point in time from when they entered the Precipice World. so that means ichibei and Yamamoto can’t do it either and this is only second form Aizen whose above his first form that would of been capable of soloing the 0 division. Then when Aizen gets to his butterfly form it’s literally stated in bleach unmasked which is the official guide book and it’s canon that Aizen is equal to that of the Soul king “Heading towards the height of God
Aizen becomes a replacement for REIO, to create a new world. As an "emissary" to accomplish that noble aim, his awareness of his existence In the level of God sprouted.”
And after that when he transformed again he stated to surpass that of the Soul king “By fusing the Hopyoku with his own body, Aizen attempted to evolve into an even higher existence. That final form even surpassed the state of God, and was even devilish. The figure transcending everything isn't like a Shinigami or Hollow, the figure is fantastic/grotesque.” The picture of monster Aizen is shown.
Trying to use isshin feat means nothing of cracking the shell means nothing he was playing with them the entire time and their dialogue even says they aren’t even on his level the moment he decided to try he one shotted all of them the official statements back the shit up and you can go watch Seth the programmers video ranking the captains and it’s says he says the same thing that argument is dead in the water base Yhwach= or greater than bankai Yamamoto but weaker than ichibei both being weaker the the cleaner that Aizen destroyed in his second form and none of them were Soul king level probably beside almighty Yhwach was he regained his power and one shot ichibei who he says was superior to bankai Yamamoto calling him the pinnacle of all Shinigami that Yamamoto being stronger that Hogyoku Aizen falls flat in the water and these are the litteral statements on the manga panels and guide books that are in quotations that’s irrefutable as to deny the statements would be trying to put head canon above the authors word which you can’t do.
@@kingwill1623 he was never above Yama
Scary thing is I feel like he definitely could have with his bankai the only reason why he didn’t is because it would have limited everyone else from their battles. It would have been to destructive.
More than that
The world of the living would have burn and Even the water supply and a good chunk of the Ocean would have vaporize that would create a disaster of big proportions
@@framedthunder6436 That, the thing is that Yamma is always "plot nerfed" either by his morals or personality. He wouldn't risk destroying the world with his bankai, which we can be sure of by the mere fact that he told Ichigo to get away not to get caught in the fight and later sacrificing his arms to contain the flames from Ryuujin Jaka. Kubo could actually use the fact that Aizen wanted to make sure Yama wouldn't useZanka no Tachi as one of the reasons why he choose to go to the human world despite knowing that the real Karakura Town was hidden in soul society.
But he said during his battle with Aizen “ they are all willing to die”.. also when they were fighting he had already beaten most of them. So argument negated
Nah
Also it's TOO ffs
I feel like Yamamoto could have easily defeated Aizen at Aizen’s power level at that time, but there was too much potential collateral damage that prevented Yama from unleashing his full power. Aizen knew this and didn’t fear any real attack, but to cover all his bases and instead of confronting Yama head-to-head, he creates Wonderweiss to “seal” his zanpakuto with the aim of preventing him from even participating in the battle. If Aizen would have used Kyoka Suigetsu against him, Yama would have most likely incinerated the entire area to ensure he negated Kyoka Suigetsu’s effect and got Aizen regardless of where he actually was (only if Yamamoto felt like he could or felt like he had no choice).
Yamamoto tybw >aizen tybw
@@nightsfall3n no chance aizen Is only under soul king and Ywach in tybw
@@snackdog7623 That's gotta be a joke Gremmy, Gerard, and Icibe can all beat aizen
@@deeworldz5086 really ? Then how did Aizen manage to mess with Ywach's perception ? You think those brats can mess with Ywach's perception ?
@@abdan7262 Mess with yhwach's perception doesn't equal beat yhwach
Yamamoto would destroy Aizen with his bankai. At that point in the story, he didn’t even have the completed Hyogyuko. Old man Yama wouldn’t allow Aizen to fuse with it.
Or alternatively Aizen could've killed him and everyone else before they even realized that they were dead, since they were under the Hypnosis. No offense to Yamamoto's Bankai, but Aizen's Shikai is far more broken.
@@naamari As Aizen stated a Battle beetween Shinigami's is about Riatsu
Yamamoto has a shit ton more than Aizen
Aizen can't Kill him without using hax
@@naamari In Bankai form Yama would probably have enough reiatsu to negate Kyoka Suigetsu, like how Aizen negated Suzumebachi.
@@naamari but Yama has so much range attacks that it would difficult for aizen to block every single attack. All it takes is one attack from yamas bankai, and aizen is burned to crisp. I just don’t see aizen beating bankai Yamamoto. Yamamoto wins mid difficulty
@@framedthunder6436 Does he? If we're using the terribly written last Arc as a reference, then Aizen was the war potential called Reaitsu.
Yamamoto when he was stabbed by Aizen and grabbed onto his arm unknowingly found Aizen’s weakness since he was still touching his blade
And Zaraki did same with Tosen blade and ... he got all his sences back... this seems to be the weakness of all swords affecting sences ;)
Yama clearly says he may not be able to see through his hypnosis but he can feel and recognize Aizens spiritual pressure so he knows it's him. *sigh*
@@sytrostormlord3275 OH SHIT DUDE! nice!
If Yamamoto was willing to nuke the entire area he'd be able to kill Aizen instantly with a huge AOE attack
not possible, he did use a hado 96 directly and it barely harmed aizen. which again confirms that they are both within the same reaitsu level the novel confirms this even more when we know the requirements for KS to work.
@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 You mention that hado all time, but hado cannot be compared with bankai attack. And Yama wipe the floor with Aizen with bare hands in anime. At this point Aizen is no match for Yama.
@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 Kido isn’t comparable to bankai. It isn’t even comparable to shikai. Do not forget that Ichigo completely nullified a full power Hado 90 from a transformed Aizen.
@@vladgaming2731 Where did Yama 'wiped' the floor with Aizen, did we watch the same fight? not only he was saved by the plot but his attack did shit to Aizen
Aizen literally could have just hypnotized Yama to believe he's standing in front of him, let Yama destroy himself, the other Shinigami, and fake Karakura town while Aizen just straight up leaves... it's just that simple.
Hey Tommo! Love the videos! Here’s a suggestion I’ve seen nobody tackle - What if Neliel was never demoted from being the Tres Espada, and replaced Harribel in the FKK Arc / TYBW / CFYOW?
This!
+1, great idea!
Nel is weaker than Harribel. Nel was an adjucas and Harribel was a Vasto Lorde.
I think Yamamoto can defeat almost anyone in the bleach universe. He is the most powerful imo. But the amount of collateral damage which he would cause can be fatal and also in some way limiting him as the very thing yama wants to protect will be destroyed. Due to such Yama has to work around ways in order to protect the things he wants to as well as fight to win. Yama has no privilege like any other captain to go all out.
Unlike Aizen who just has to destroy everything to win yama has to win while protecting and this is why yama is limited in such fights.
he is not the most powerful
Yhwach confirm that he and Bankai Yamamoto are relative in power
Ichibei was literally toying around with Yhwach while in his Base state.
Yhwach after regaining his power and eyes literally one shot Bankai ichibei who is literally dozens of times stronger than Yamamoto.
Yhwach absorbed the SOul king and became massively stronger but was still killed and injured by Ichigo and Aizen.
Ywach/Ichigo/Ichibei/Aizen are 100% above Yamamoto, then we have characters that have a high chance to be stronger, Adult Toshiro/RG trained Byakuya/Bankay Zaraki, rest of royal guards are 50% 50%, sorry but Yamamoto is just a overhype character, strong, top10 but wank too much by fans
@@asasdsaasda Adult Toshiro vs Yama would be sick
@@asasdsaasda He’s the oldest soul reaper. He’s had thousands of years to grow stronger. He has no hollow, no Hogyoku, no Soul King parts or reiatsu, and he can still destroy Soul Society just by releasing his Bankai. Mention the few who can beat him if you want, but the dude’s power is massive without any of the special exceptions that make those others so strong. He definitely is not overhyped, he just isn’t necessarily the most powerful being in the series.
@@iReiGNxx actually the oldest shinigami is ichibei, the reason he can 'destroy' SS is because of the nature of his bankai, I can name you at least 3 shinigami that CA do the same with Yamamoto bankai, not really that impressive power wise at the end of the manga
I don't think Yamamoto can lose 1v1 to anyone. That's why all of his opponents, including in filler, find ways to prevent him from using his full power.
If Aizen thought he could win, he wouldn't have sealed his power.
Aizen literally could have just hypnotized Yama to believe he's standing in front of him, let Yama destroy himself, the other Shinigami, and fake Karakura town while Aizen just straight up leaves... it's just that simple.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 Or, Yama just bankais and kills him on accident.
@Vercusgames lol, that is also why Kenpachi didn't simply go right after Aizen in Hueco Muendo, yet was full willing to go after an espada no.5. why Yammamoto popped out after 20 chapters prepared to suicide.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 Yama goes bankai and has way more reiatsu to negate the effects of Aizen’s hypnosis
1 on 1 you say but then mention the fact that of filler, which isn't canon and also the fact that it isn't a 1v1 anymore when wonderweiss and lloyd enter the mix
Yes he could, but the collateral damage would have been really bad.
If Yamamoto wasn't concerned with destroying Karakura town then Yamamoto would probably win by using bankai. But then again we still don't know what Aizen's bankai is yet.
Aizen had no chance against base Yama without wonderweiss, otherwise he wouldn’t have made him. Yama could have just overpowered Aizens Shikai and even if Yama couldn’t find him, the flames would have ended him in the shroud. So basically, no WW means Yama wins hands down.
wrong, please watch their fight again, even a Hado 96 from Yamamoto barely scratched him.
in the nvoel its also stated that they both posses similar levels of reaitsu or in your terms Power level
aizen stated that he did not posses 100% in beating yamamoto but ask yourself this if your evenly match with your enemy do you have 100% in winning, the answer to that is no which i swhy he created Wonderweiss and other things because he is a smart person and uses his brains.
@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 There's no way that Aizen would have survived Zanka No Tachi West. He couldn't have even touched him. Also, Zanka no Tachi South would have been a BIG problem for Aizen, all of those dead defeated zombies could have seen Aizen since he never showed his shikai release to any of them, Even if Yamamoto couldn't see Aizen, he could just always know where he was because the zombies would be on him. There's a reason Aizen sealed that sword, he stood no chance against it.
@@dstyer6128 Yamamoto would of been under it and he would of manipulated him to using it against the wrong person and two Yamamoto ain’t dumb him going bankai in the world of the living would kill a lot of people and be disastrous for the earth that’s the last thing he wants and Aizen just needs to stall long enough to fuse with Hogyoku then it’s gg
Yamamoto, even with 0 clues as to Aizens weakness (touching kyokasuigetsu) figured out that getting stabbed was his best chance for victory.
He also understood that Aizen hypnosis could easily counter any attack and thus decided to set up a area of affect attack that would prevent his escape. The man is on another level even when dealing with Aizen hax powers.
@@kingwill1623 Can't predicate a fight on him fusing with Hogyoku, that's a pretty ridiculous ask lol. Happened completely at random.
I think the topic of transendant beings and tiers of transendance in Bleach is a point of confusion in the series for a lot of people. Perhaps a video would be warranted discussing what we know about the topic, to help clarify exactly what we know and what we could possibly infer on the subject.
Yamato, to the fake Yhwach: "You can't tell? Here, I'll allow you to perceive my reiatsu". His power is at minimum large enough that it was imperceptible to a being that could be mistaken for a full power Yhwach.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 that never happened.
in the databook the moment aizen tarnsformed into Butterfly and Monster form it was stated that he reach the same tier as the Soul King.
Yamamoto and ichibei are both Shinigami with Shinigami level reaitsu not transcendent.
Yhwach = bankai Yamamoto < Base Ichibei
Yhwach stated that only he out of all the quincies had the power to steal his Bankai not only confirming they are on similar tier also confirming tha tyamamoto is stronger than every other Quincy, Yhwach also one shot and instantly killed base Yamamoto like a dog.
@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 What are you talking about? It's in the manga. It's not even hard to find. It's basically the first thing that happens in the fight. If you're going to lie, at least make it possible for someone to believe the lie.
@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 aizen dam sure wasn’t on the soul kings level of power
I think it's been implied that Yamaji also has transcendental spiritual pressure. For example when he activated his bankai, no one said its the spiritual pressure of Yamaji, they just felt the moisture in the air evaporating! I might be wrong though
You're not wrong. It's stated in the dub during the soul society arc by Ukitake that he has "transcendent" spiritual pressure
@@reaudimills7947 Dub isn't something to go by though. You should check the original dialogue.
Both Shunsui and Ukitake as well as Toshiro immediately recognized it as Yama.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 they recognized because of the loss of moisture in the atmosphere! They never felt his spiritual pressure like centrally bleach did when someone releases his bankai
@@badrivishalpandey2171 Ukitake and Shunsui definitely did when they fought him in the Soul Society arc.
As soon as Yamamoto says “BANKAI” it’s all over
Aizen would’ve gotten clapped by Yama. Yama with his bankai is pretty much unbeatable. There is a reason Aizen and Yhwach both took it away before stepping up to the old man. Yama is also not given enough credit for his fight IQ. He literally countered Aizen’s hypnosis within like 5 seconds of the fight.
He counter shit, he took a risk because he was protected by plot and not get decapitated by Aizen, had to sacrifice a hand and did shit to Aizen
@@asasdsaasda
1.) He purposely got stabbed, if Aizen swung at his head he wouldn’t have stood there and took it like he did.
2.) That was severely injured, exhausted, no sword Yama vs Hog infused Aizen. Even then Aizen is still like “Yo I would’ve gotten rinsed if not for the hog I underestimated him”. Aizen (who knows he has the hog) straight up admits he’d lose to Yama in a straight up fight.
@@BornFromEmbers he did not purposely got stab, he simple got stab, he had no way at that time to avoid aizen, stop inventing things to wank yama
@@asasdsaasda he literally does it to grab aizen...he says as much lol.
Stop wanking aizen. Yama's bankai is stronger than all mighty. Let that sink in.
@@asasdsaasda He literally got stabbed, smiled, and was like “IVE GOT YOU NOW”. He then explains the only reason he’s able to grab Aizen with confidence is bc he got stabbed. Otherwise, he wouldn’t know if it was just an illusion or not. You’re right! Sounds like a happy accident to me lmao.
I don't think secretly actually standing 200 feet away from an illusion of yourself will do you any favors if Yama decides to glass the entire realm.
Aizen doesn’t have to be present for his illusions to remain. Also Aizen could leave at anytime via the Garganta or Senkaimon and have Yama kill everyone for nothing. That’s why Yama didn’t even try.
Just a little tidbit about the sun but a pinhead sized sun would kill everything within 9 miles. So yea it was plot armor 😂
Bro now if this is a new series of yours I'm all for it man this is fire
Ultimately, I think what this proves is that Kubo hadn't figured out exactly what he wanted Yama's bankai to be at this point in the story when Aizen and Yama had this exchange. Yama could have easily flicked Zanken no Tachi on and off in the span of a few seconds, insta-killed Aizen, and inflicted less damage to the environment than what he was going for with his special move to kill would have done in the first place.
Analyzing the fight, I do believe that in a 1 v 1, Yama wins. I do believe that he was confident in 1) Identifying that the Aizen he grabbed was the real one. And 2) That he could kill Aizen. I think he just thought he couldn't afford to take the chance and had to make sure there was zero chance of Aizen bamboozling himself out of the situation, thus the burning hell. Obviously Bankai Yama isn't needed and would no diff Aizen, but the collateral damage would be too great. The Hogyoku is always a concern. Maybe it lets him survive the burning hell, but that's a maybe. I think Bankai Yama for sure would bypass the Hogyoku by literally erasing it from existence.
The only thing I didn't like about the fight was Yama sacrificing an arm for literally nothing. I feel like it should have at least left Aizen with a permanent scar that would not heal even through his several evolutions.
if yama could kill aizen dont you think he would've killed him while he was sealed??
The hogoku is indestructible we learnt that from urahara and it tanked ichigo final getsuga tensho without even a scratch there is no way he could detsory it
I think your final point is why Aizen wasn't confident in beating Yamamoto when he says "You'd probably win". Aizen thought it was likely Yamamoto would defeat him before the Hogyoku's true powers awaken and that's why he made a contingency plan specifically for Yamamoto so he couldn't take part in the battle and stop Aizen's evolutions before it even begins. I kinda wish now thinking about it that Wonderweiss only stalled Yamamoto but the Hogyoku awakens and we got like 3 chapters of Yamamoto vs Aizen with Aizen continually evolving and becoming too powerful for Yamamoto to handle
Just want to say I love your videos bro. I've watched everyone of them and look forward to more. You've rekindled my love of bleach.
Yamamoto literally has max defence and max attack at his disposal so 1v1 i dont think he can be defeated so they only way to deafeat him isto steal his ability
I love these kind of "What if" videos. They make for great discussion.
There is somthing I've always wondered when Aizen fights soi fon he explains he can over come her "silly power" (death in 2 stings) by using his spiritual pressure to nullify it because he is so much stronger... well Yamamoto must have wayyyyy more than Aizen why can't he just dispel Aizens illusion power?
I said the same thing but against Wonderweiss, but, man you have an even greater point that what I gave.
Aizen has extremely high reiatsu too..idk what the disparity has to be for an ability neg
As strong as Yama is I think Kubo really tells us throughout the story how steong Aizen is in base, hes not far off from Yama if not on the same power level.
Because Suzumebashi is an offensive power that directly tries to harm the opponent, so if the opponent has enough Reiatsu he can just not be damaged by the attack because his Reiatsu acts as a form of energy shield. However Aizen's power is not a direct confrontation or clash of power but a subtle mind trick, and in Bleach mind attacks seem to completely ignore the power level of the fighters (like how Aizen was tricked by Shinji's Shikai or how even YWACH with part of the Soul King's power was fooled by Kyoka Suigetsu).
Here's my two cents on this
@@jschoma11 Yamamoto rieatsu >>>>>>>>aizen and gotei 13 reiatsu
I literally subbed because you were nice enough to give me a 'no spoiler' alert. Thanks bro.
Ok so I did make a video on this and I still believe that Yama would beat “base” Aizen. Now besides the fact that Aizen created a modified arrancer to beat Yamamoto; it’s not enough to prove it due to Aizen clearly being afraid of Ryujin jakka’s power. But there is a statement the data book when translated that states “for more than 1000 years, on one who emerged could surpass him, that means even Aizen wasn’t a match”. So basically Yamamoto would have been able to overwhelm Aizen, he was even shocked to see how strong he was without his zanpakuto. Also Yamamoto without any prior info was able to figure his own way to counter kyoka suigetsu. So there you go
Aizen hid his true power though and even Ichigo upon beating him said Aizen was so powerful that all he wanted to be was ordinary at the end of the day.
@@Ephideltrance what true power??? You mean the hogyoku?
@@omnishorts12 no...his normal shinigami power. No one knew how strong he was, remember. Everything people knew about him before he defected was a lie.
@@Ephideltrance ok? Then why does that matter? Aizen even said to Yamamoto that if he fought him one on one that he (himself) would have probably lost, even with kyoka suigetsu. if Aizen thought he could beat Yama with his “true power” then he wouldn’t have gone the lengths he did to seal Yama’s sword in the first place.
@@omnishorts12 key word in Aizen's statement is 'probably'. Basically the same as Yamamoto whose first resort was a suicidal technique. If he is so much stronger, why not just kill Aizen outright?
Besides, intelligence counts in fights, and let us be real...Aizen is far more intelligent.
Very well thought-out and analyzed, thank you for the quality content.
My thing is we would have to assume that when they finally captured Aizen and tried to sentence him to death, they did try completely eviscerating his body and couldn't and is why he was simply sentenced to muken instead. I truly believe if there was a way to kill him, they would have after Ichigo and Urahara beat him.
Thanks for this video. I enjoy hearing your work.
Yamamoto would win against base Aizen, based strictly off manga. The databook and Light Novels also provide more evidence to Yamamoto probably beating Aizen with not too much trouble.
Careful now.....there are Aizen fan boys around here that could never handle this reality.
Ive read the novels. Where does it say anything about yama being able to beat him lol.
Yama Negs Aizen
@@ericb8241 In CFYOW Shunsui said that Yamamoto’s power and spiritual pressure is more similar to transcendent Aizen than anyone in the Gotei.
Again, great point from you, just a quick correction in 17:25 approx. remember that Karakura town was replaced for a fake one so Yamamoto needed no special consideration of him killing someone in the town while activating the bankai.
But his bankai can destroy the pillars that keep the “fake” karakura town active. If the towers are gone then his bankai would destroy the real world itself. Tommo said it btw.
I’m pretty sure that in a bleach data book it says the Aizen was never a true threat to Yamamoto
Even ywatch had to instantly seal zanka no tachi to even stand a chance. I dont know why this is a debate. Yamas bankai is unmatched in bleach.
@@eldenlean5221 I mean no one talks bad about his bankai, yama literally becomes untouchable to anything physical, but like still based on his strenght he isn't that powerful to like beat everyone, aizen would still just put him under KS and do a full power hado 90 and kill yama
@@VVooshbait If he could just kill Yama that easily why didn't he? Better yet why would he feel the need to create & bring WW or say that he'd lose a 1v1? Aizen's own words and actions don't support your claim. "Based on his strength he isn't that powerful to like beat everyone" what are you even saying? This isn't supported by anything in the series at all.
Databook says they are both 10/10 in Spiritual Pressure. Yama is the only one who had a chance in a straight 1v1 fight. However.
Aizen literally could have just hypnotized Yama to believe he's standing in front of him, let Yama destroy himself, the other Shinigami, and fake Karakura town while Aizen just straight up leaves... it's just that simple.
@@44RisingSun44 Aizen is an unreliable narrator about pretty much everything lmao.
This presents a good debate, i agree! Couldn't have said it better myself you definitely know the story - I truly enjoyed this one. Keep doing what you do, rest assured you do it best!
Won't Yamamoto's bankai be able to erase even the Hyogokou? It doesn't seem that unlikely to me
aizen has already regenared from mugetsu which literally was shown to completely atomize, erase aizen yet he regenerated from nothing so
Nah but even if aizen survives what’s stopping Yama from evaporating him again
Nope the hogoku is indestructible ( urahara says so ) and it tanks ichigo mugestu without a scratch
@@qeditz1547 he will endlessly regen and evolve until he can beat Yamamoto by crushing his bankai ability thought shear difference in power and Yamamoto who has no way to kill him permanently it's my a matter of time
@@randomdude6446 true he would eventually beat him
Yamamoto wins, his Bankai is just too much for Aizen. But it'd be an amazing fight for sure.
yama would think he killed aizen just to later realize he was under ks, but its too late since aizen used a full power hado 90 and boom GG aizen solos
@@VVooshbait no
@@VVooshbait More likely, if noone is around, yama unleash bankai. Swings wildly. if aizen tricked him, he just keep on swiping, destroying shit, disentegrating shit, getting awfully close to aizen, Then, eventually, hit near aizen. Aizen tries to escape, but Yama keeps going crazy wit it, destroying chunks of land every swipe. And eventually, hit aizen. killing him.
Immortal aizen solos though.
If you have to make a weapon specifically to stop his zanpakto, id say old man yama is stronger
about Soi Fon stuff, we need to remember she already fired bankai 2 times (she said she can do it once usually) and she lost her arm, no wonder her reiatsu was lowered to not be able to use shikai power on Aizen
I agree with you, Aizen would lose before his transformations, maybe even with Yamamoto using only Ryujin Jakka. But after Hyogyoku awakening, Aizen would just come back after every death. Reason for that being that after Aizen was inprisoned, they didn't kill him, because they coudn't. If Yamamoto couldn't kill him while he was in prison, I'm prettt sure he couldn't kill him in battle. But I think that he could inflict damage at the level of Mugetsu, altough that attack by itself wouldn't grant him a win, just as Ichigo would lose the battle if not of Kisuke
Mrtomomo is the best bleach TH-camr on the planet!!! I love his videos. 30 min + damn bro you AWESOME!!
You made mention of Gin's attack stitching Aizen back together but I always wondered once we saw Yama being able to literally erase things whether or not his bankai could just erase the hogyoku. Would being hit by Yama's bankai attacks be in the same vein as Mugetsu and the hogyoku just kinda goes "meh"?
Yes ive been wondering the same thing for a long time, ive always wanted to know if the hogyoku can be destroyed and what it would take to destroy it
@@dominquebanton9758 I wondered what Ichibei's ink could do to it as well in all honesty.
hogyoku is basically the miracle but more busted, aizen could just want to be completely unbeatable and he would become immortal, yama's zanka no tachi:north prob wouldn't work since aizen already managed to regenerate from mugetsu which literally erased aizen as well so
The hogoku is indestructible according to urahara and it straight up tanked mugestu so no
@@avatar_of_battle4735 according to cfyow nothing since apparently you can undo it's ability by consuming pieces of the soul king and the hogoku has many fragments of the soul king assimilated in it
If you recall aizen even stated that he intensionally wants Zaraki in hueco Mundo, why because zaraki also has a chance of defeating him at that moment had it been Zaraki was at the Fake Kurakura town then Aizen is done for,,, Zaraki is a good fighter and he has good riatsu level too and the effect of kyoga suigetsu is based on your riatsu level
If yout riatsu level is more than Aizen riatsu then kyoga suigetsu will not affect you as seen in dangai ichigo, he fought Aizen and was not affected the kyoga suigetsu
I really like that moment where Yamamoto figured out it was Aizen by the sword in his gut, because it foreshadows Gin doing the exact same thing.
I've always wondered if that was the moment Gin found out about Kyoka Suigestsu's weakness. There's no reason for Aizen at that point to tell Gin the weakness of his sword, and it would explain why Gin didn't act until Aizen couldn't be killed.
Wrong. Rewatch the scene. “You have to be touching the sword before it’s activation”
@@ericb8241 I'm aware. Just speculation from the scenes. It doesn't make any sense for Aizen to give away that information before he's fused with the Hogokyu, especially if he knew Gin wanted to kill him. It makes much more sense that Yamamoto figured it out, and Gin used that to realize he could confirm it as long as he wasn't actively under hypnosis. It just makes no sense for Gin to have known about this for decades and there hasn't been one moment for Gin to use his Bankai.
@@PhantomNull13 yeah, but they show a flashback scene of gin as a kid being told by Aizen about it
@@synysterpain that's always been the thing stopping me from saying that it's definitely what happened. It's just so out of character for Aizen to give out that kind of information at that point.
Like, if Gin just went to Yamamoto with the plan and that information, Aizen's dead. Maybe he was gambling on Gin wanting to kill him himself, but it still doesn't make sense.
My best guess for that is Aizen told Gin to see how he'd react. Gin, knowing that Aizen knew he wanted to kill him, assumed that the information was fake to lure him out until decades later when Yamamoto captured Aizen's arm.
Gin thing is completely different lmao
And no it's confirmed Aizen tells his weakness to Gin because after years of collaboration he assumed Gin wasn't going to betray him
Very good, comprehensive and fair-minded analysis, definitely explains both why Aizen didn't want to face Yamamoto one on one, and why Yamamoto was ready to sacrifice himself and much of the Gotei 13 just to ensure Aizen's death.
Aizen didn't risk fight Yamamoto until he was fused with the Hogyoku. I think that says a lot. In my opinion, with the form that Aizen was in when fighting Yamamoto, he would probably stand no chance against him.
I love topics like this. And both sides have such a point that's it would come down to "Plot" if it went that way. Would plot allow Aizen to ascend before Yamamoto burnt him to cinders. However you brought up a super interesting point about Ichigo that makes me want to ask your theory as i've not seen as many conversations on it... Ichigo's Mugetsu was to be the END ALL be all of Ichigo's powers and more so over the EVERYTHING in Bleach. Trancedant beings like Aizen didn't even sense Ichigo's spiritual pressure... So i feel like i should ask. If Ichigo had went about reawakening THAT ability against Yhwach, would it have been enough? Would it had been more than what Ichigo put out before. Could the "Almighty" quincy counter the strike that rips soul reapers powers from their body after use. The hit that even the Hogyoku deemed Aizen no longer worthy of it's powers after taking said hit.
I personally think bankai Yamamoto can keep up until butterfly Aiizen
If not I still believe Yamamoto can damage him at his earlier stages to the point the hogukyo will reject him
But like you said Yamamoto probably will end it before he even starts transcending
Your videos butter my biscuits thank you
Great video. I’m pretty much on the same boat. I think a good question is an in prime Yama vs Aizen final. The fact that Yama beat Ywach 1000 years ago when he last had the powers of the Almighty which we see it’s the closest power we’ve seen to the Soul king is insane to me. Yama must’ve been even stronger back then which is saying something.
Or just less restrained.
@@MrGksarathy Ywach's Allmighty power 1000 years back than was not fully developed and he could only activate it for a short period of time, sacrificing his entire energy later on. That's why he has to go under hiatus for years before finding the method of controlling his volstanding freely without restrictions. We cant compare Ywach back than and Ywach at present. He is on a totally different league later on...
Considering the zero division had intel on that fight a thousand years ago but nothing on the almighty he definitely did not use it back than
I have read and seen this fight about a million times and yet I am paying attention to everything you were saying with your play by play lol
If Yamamoto was that powerful with one arm while using his Bankai, he would have absolutely erased Aizen from existence with a two handed Zanka no Tachi......until Aizen’s 128384839933 forms would keep leveling him up.
yup kubo did bad job with Yamamoto
Could Yama completely destroy the Hogyoku with bankai? I think he can.
@@8BitGamer4life no the hogoku is stated to be indestructible and tanked mugestu with ease
2:22 uhhh actually, fire never casts a shadow.
If yamamoto could defeat Ywach with the almighty he definetly could defeat aizen...hence why he went through all the trouble of creating something specifically to seal his flames.
facts aizen fans go too crazy for him
Brilliant as always mrtommo
Yamamoto has the power to burn the universe in its entirety so Aizen created a contingency to deal with him. Personally I believe that it would end in mutual destruction or possibly Yamamoto incinerating himself as Aizen watches from a safe distance, Kyoka Suigetsu having done its job.
Yamamotos bankai cant burn a universe wth💀💀
@@Cosmic8099 I guess he's saying this cause of tybw
@@Cosmic8099 I think he's more or so stating the fact that his blade once in bankai is suppose to be as hot as a star. Also if I'm not mistaken, he mentions that if his bankai was to go off that it would pour into other dimensions, so technically killing everyone.
@@Cosmic8099 Mate, Yamamoto's Bankai lets out a spiritual pressure that's as hot as the sun and it's literally said like that. And when Yamamoto condenses that spiritual pressure into his zanpakuto he remove anything from existence.
Yamamoto won't incinerate himself, he would end up burning the entire universe before he dies.
Adding to that, we all know that you can beat Kyoka Suigetsu by touching the zanpakuto, this applies for Fake Karakura Town Aizen. For TYBW Aizen since it fused to him I guess he can touch him and it'll be the same.
Aizen would win, shikai to shikai.
When Yamamoto initially lunges to attack Aizen, Aizen uses Kyoka Suigetsu to create a duplicate illusion of himself. Unbeknownst to Yamamoto, Aizen is already behind him. Aizen then dispels his illusion and makes himself visible, alerting Yamamoto to his presence. Had Aizen maintained his illusion and continued to obscure his presence-as he did with Harribel-he could’ve simply chopped off Yamamoto’s head and won.
So, why didn’t he? Aizen has a massive ego, a God-complex in fact. He feels he is superior to everyone in every aspect, especially strength. So, when Yamamoto asks “Do you really think you can cut me”, he is challenging Aizen’s strength. Aizen’s ego compels him to accept the challenge and he proves that he can indeed cut the Head Captain, seemingly reaffirming his strength. He deliberately chose to: dispel his illusion, reveal himself, and avoid killing Yamamoto in this exchange because you can’t prove anything to a corpse.
What about Wonderweiss? Aizen doesn’t like getting his hands dirty. He prefers to delegate tasks to others, despite being perfectly capable of performing those tasks himself. He writes a false letter to coax Toshiro into killing Momo, despite Aizen nearly succeeding in the endeavor himself. He goads Tosen into punishing Grimmjow, despite later showing his ability to punish the 6th Espada with his spiritual pressure alone. He creates the Espada to defeat the captains, despite later demonstrating that he could defeat them on his own. Wonderweiss is yet another tool Aizen uses to avoid dirty work rather than proof of power inferiority to Yamamoto.
It’s worth noting that bringing bankai into the conversation is an unfair dynamic, considering Aizen’s bankai is unknown. What is known is that Aizen is the stronger of the two, shikai to shikai.
How do you think I remained Captain-Commander of the Gotei 13 for over a thousand years? No Shinigami born in that entire time has been stronger than I
Once the hogoku kicks in aizen is fundamentally beyond shinigami
Holding Aizen's sword is the only way to prevent its hypnotism. I'd argue having it lodged in his stomach counts.
Yama easily could have killed him. However if he was to do that he would have destroyed the entirety of Fake and Real Karakura town and every single person there as well
I don't aizen has a bankai not because he couldn't achieve it, but he didn't feel the need to unlock it .
Yes. Yama can win. Aizen feared him for a reason. Plus the only one who decides the result of any battle is Kubo.
Fantastic video man 🙌🏽
Once again, I have the same thought as this as I did with Aizen vs the zero division. But instead of Ichibe being able to remove the power of the hokyoku, couldn't Yamamoto just remove the hokyoku from his existence with his bankai? I mean, he would be hesitant to use it in this scenario, but if you're placing them in a completely neutral area, I think Yamamoto wins this
It depends how smart you think Urahara is. In the story they established that Urahara couldn't find any ways to destroy the Hogyoku, which is why he decided to hide it forever instead. So it all comes down to whether or not Urahara ever researched / asked about Yamamoto's Bankai. If he did, then his Bankai can't destroy the Hogyoku. If he didn't, then there's a chance it might be able to destroy the Hogyoku.
Considering the Final Getsuga Tensho came from a being even more advanced than an ascended Aizen was, and that still couldn't break the Hogyoku, I personally don't think Yamamoto's Bankai could destroy it... unless you believe Yamamoto's bankai even surpasses Dangai Ichigo and the Final Getsuga Tensho... which I personally think is unreasonable to consider.
@@Abyssionknight But I don’t think that Urahara has seen/knows about Yamatos Bankai. I think they only Person legt fron the Time were Yamato was actively fighting is Unohana and his Vice Captain. I think the Rest is to Young to know and understand how lethal it is.
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True, since yama didn't use his bankai for thousand years.
He never even talked about it.
Bro imagine underestimating Aizen and the Hogyoku that much LMAO neither Yama nor Ichibei could ever compare to Hogyoku Aizen. Nobody can, except Soul King and people who borrows his powers
@@MashuSlyferiux That's overthinking, lol
It would've been great to find out later (after the TYBW) that old man Yama has knowingly been calling his blade by the wrong name. Purposely nerfing himself while the thought of his true power was absolutely scary.
You know, Aizen probably could have won if he attacked Yamamoto’s head with his first attack. The fact he was able to harm him at all shows how strong he is and that the reiatsu difference between the two isn’t THAT far off.
By the logic Tosen could have won against Zaraki if he attacked Zaraki's head with his first attack when Tosen used bankai since he was able to harm Zaraki .. Oh yeah even Shinji could have won against Aizen if he aimed for AIZEN'S head with his first attack since he also could damage him... Right???
@@nhlakaniphojack5056 they probably could have, but I suppose they wanted to show off.
Trick question
His bankai wipes aizen
Then when he does the Hellfire Monster Mash against the quincys, aizen does some hax bullshit and retains his personality, coming back with some "ahhh just as I planned" nonsense with yamamotos fire, hongyeko, and his own zanpakto probably
I didn't spell multiple things right and I don't care
If I am not mistaken didn't Aizen literally say that he had to use Wonderweiss because otherwise, Yamamoto would have defeated him.
defeated him at his current stage aizen evelved to a level that yamamoto can't sense him
He never said 'defeat him' he said that Yamamoto at that time had the strongest zampakuto and he did not want to take a chance
@@asasdsaasda Aizen said that Yamamoto's Zanpakuto is the strongest and fighting would put him at a distinct disadvantage which is a fancy way of saying he couldn't beat him.
You make sound like it's a small risk when Aizen is saying he can't beat that Zanpakuto
@@MyMediaChops that's your interpretation on that shit, nothing fancy there
yeah that was cause he didn't evolve into that busted hogyoku form
I think I agree with your estimation of the fight. For pre transformation, I think Aizen's plan with Wonderweiss is evidence enough that Yamamoto has the power to win potentially even without bankai. Post transformation in my opinion would just be a question of if Yamamoto could do enough damage quickly enough that the hogyoku couldn't respond. I don't think it is stated but I feel like Aizen could have been beaten even after the hogyoku started transforming him if enough repeated damage could be done before he could finish repairing, but the damage needed to do that was such that no one could do a similarly strong follow up (or just writing).
Yamamoto is a good example of an how a fictional character is written too strong. He was teased as the strongest captain but didn't get to show it. Rather he was put aside so that the antagonists could show off their superiority in battle and strategy. Not just that but he was also way too proud to ask for the help of others such as Orihime or Ichigo. When he faced fake Yhwach with just one arm he lost severally and was humiliated. Kubo had to step in when Yamamoto was weak enough so to give him a battle he couldn't win anymore.
That kinda makes sense but I do think it could have just as well written if you had a battle between bankai yamamoto and the real ywach. The battle should by no means be easy but ywach defeating him in bankai could have been a true display of power. After all we never even saw ywach use Quincy vollstandig
Yammamoto destroyed fake ywach.What do u mean?
Yamamoto easily… look he didn’t need even cast the hellish spell all he had to do was go bankai and it’s over.
This take that he was scared that his bankai wouldn’t work is nonsense. The plot made him unable to show his bankai because they were saving it for the next arc. The spell he was using was damaging everything to include his officers and he was fine with it. Had he done his bankai and caused damage the soul king could have easily fixed things over time. It only takes a sec to end the fight.
I feel like Aizen wasn't capable of beating Yamamoto until he ascended to his Butterfly stage or arguably his monster stage.
Then the old man would use bankai and obliterate Aizen.
Yama could probably destroy the Hogyoku therefore Aizen can't come back and die.
@@8BitGamer4life the hogoku is indestructible according to urahara and it was fine despite being slammed by ichigo's mugestu you can't destroy it
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It all falls down on one question: does aizen become immortal that early on, or actually die? Yama probably bodies him for about 4-5 transformations then loses if aizens immortal at that point in time, OR, he gets ‘weakened’ like mugetsu did to him, and yama wins
4 transformations what LMAO 1 transformation Aizen was already transcendent. Yama wasn't. 1 transformation Aizen negs
Also if the effect is the same as Mugetsu then Aizen wins since Urahara did not yet used his seal technique, Aizen regens and kills Yama
@@MashuSlyferiux hard to regen when your body does not exist, your reiatsu does not exist and hogyoku does not exist because they are all destroyed. I think you don't really understand what being transcendent means.
@@adamkowalski6061 Aizen was hit by mugetsu which was supposed to erase him from existence, yet he still instantly came back cuz the hogyoku. Most attacks in bleach erase stuff from existence anyway.
@@rayvonvelez3129 nope not most of them, there are only a few mentioned that can. Mugetsu fucked up aizen pretty bad, to the point when he was weakened so much that kisuke kidou could seal him and hogyoku rejected him (or not if you don't believe it really rejected him, doesn't matter). Either way after one Yamamoto "mugetsu" there is countless more of them. Is aizen going to survive that? I doubt that.
@@MashuSlyferiux zanka no tachi north erases everything from existence if it touches yhwach himself was dodging that why aizen wouldn't lmao
Yamamoto is hands down stronger than aizen. Aizen and yhwach had plans for him and no one else. Aizen formed an arrancar too seal his power and use it against him. Yhwach literally had a doppelganger fight him had him release his bankia and the moment he sealed it blitz him so he couldn't go back into it. No one else has every needed a plan too kill or disable for victory. And if anyone thinks that anyone in bleach verse is low or mid diff Yamamoto in bankai is outta there mind. Not ichigo any form not aizen any form not yhwach any form not the monk. He says bankai your in for a death fight.
@Eden's Gaming Corner if Yama is in bankai you think the monk inks doing anything? I said in bankai there's nothing you can do against him. And for you too say the monk pushed around the king of the quincies your mistaken Yama defeated him in the past not the monk. Yhwach treats the monk like a kid and diced him in bankai. There's a reason he made sure Yama didn't go back in bankai. Zero division means nothing at all from what everyone read. They were stronger than 13 courts my ass. They got bodied and powered up versions of those that dropped the zero squad got bodied by the 13 courts period.
What if Yamamoto used his bankai and to erase the hogyoku with the tip of his sword? Wasn't that Orihime's plan? It was grabbed by Gin, so it's not like it's intangible or anything. You could argue that it's extremely durable, but Yamamoto's bankai basically bypasses durability due to its insane heat.
Orhime doesn't understand anything about the hogoku so using her that thinking it could work doesn't mean anything from urahara we learn it's supposedly indestructible and it was totally fine despite being in aizen after ichigos mugestu
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I think a better argument is could Yama beat Aizen that Ichigo fought, I think with his bankai he actually probably could
No Aizen was immortal at that point. Even if Yama killed him with the Hogyoku fused Aizen would just come back stronger and able to easily surpass him. That's the whole reason Ichigo used the Mugetsu because he knew Aizen would continue evolving and become stronger than Dangai. It still didn't work and was lucky Kiskuke was there to seal Aizen.
aizen and yamamoto going all out very hard debate since yamamoto isint sure he can beat aizen and aizen isint sure he can beat yamamoto. yamamoto has a extremely powefull bankai how ever aizen can use his kyouka suigetsu to make yamamoto think hes punishing aizen but punishing himself very hard debate but at the same time its not cuz aizen was starting to tire out because he punished the gotei and the hogyoku was trying to understand
Personally I always believed that Aizen was bluffing when he claimed that he can cancel out Sui-Feng's ability by having more power than she does. Shortly thereafter we find out that the Aizen the Captain's had been attacking up until that point was an illusion, with Aizen even stating that they had never actually been fighting him in the first place. Which would mean that Sui-Feng never actually stung Aizen in the first place. I think that's a much more reasonable explanation for why her 2 hit kill just didn't work on him
Same. It exactly the type of shit talking Aizen would employ.
Knowing what we know about Aizen... if he wasn't just bluffing, he absolutely would have made sure to prove it.
We’ve seen attacks having no effects on characters before, look at Ichigo not being able to cut Kenpachi when they fought the first time, when he was unable to damage Grimmjaw until he had his mask on stack on Bankai, and his constant lost to the 4th Espada until their final battle, so Aizen saying that can be a fact.
@@galaxyexe3627 There's a pretty big difference between an ability being stopped, and physical force being too small to cause damage.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 thing is tho soi fon bought it so there had to be some precedent plus we see how urahara kido did nothing until aizen was super nerfed so it's an actual thing
26:54 I think he could. East. Kyokujitsujin. Remember?
Rroyd: "The point!" Yama: "Correct!" Yama blew away the entire ground without a trace. I'd say that would do it. We never saw that connect with an opponent yet. Just the ground
Not really in Beach power > hacks and he just went over how much stronger ichigo is
Aizen literally could have just hypnotized Yama to believe he's standing in front of him, let Yama destroy himself, the other Shinigami, and fake Karakura town while Aizen just straight up leaves... it's just that simple.
Could’ve… yet reality is he’s scared of Zaraki and Yama
Ehh idk about that he'd still have to be kinda close by to do so. Which would put him in range of yamamoto.
One fight analysis I'd really like to see is Yamamoto vs Kyoraku and Ukitake. Yes, it happened in the anime, but we never really got to see details.
So now, given what we know now about their powers, I'm tempted to go back to that match-up and explore the possibilities.
I keep thinking that maybe Ukitake might be able to absorb and redirect Yamamoto's flames using Sogyo no Kotowari's power, like he did with Starrk's Cero, maybe to the point of turning a flame blast from Ryuujin Jakka into something like a Burner Finger 1 shot directly at Yamamoto.
this is off-topic for the video but A NEW TRAILER FOR BLEACH JUST RELEASED THIS FREAKIN' AFTERNOON AND OH BOY DOES THAT LOOK GREAT.
11:35 You know you're a gamer when you say AOE xD
Here's the thing with Yamamoto and Zanka no Tachi
Does it have the power to erase from existence someone like Gerard the Miracle? Gerard, Aizen and Yhwach are the only 3 people that could possibly physically tank Yamamoto's Bankai. So long as he can enter Bankai and fight someone, he will win, no matter what, illusion or no, whatever he is fighting he will win against if he can be in his Bankai state or until completely tired out.
Gerard could keep reforming until Yamamoto gets tired? Yhwach would shatter the Bankai with his Almighty (or steal it) and Aizen would be the most susceptible to it. Without the the Hogyoku, Aizen would not win even with Kyoka Suigetsu, he'd have to run away everytime.
I think Aizen sealed him with Wonderweiss because he was that terrified of fighting it even in an evolved state (for instance he was fearful of dying from Gin which pushed him to evolve further). So it's a simple a question of; Would Aizen evolve after being erased by Zanka no Tachi? If so, then he would have a power similar to Gerard that allows him to do anything he requires in the moment he needs. Yamamoto's Bankai would remain effective and the supreme victor, but characters like Gerard and Aizen could outlast the destruction until Yamamoto is tired out I think.
Yes even without the hogoku aid after in tybw he came back from being totally annihilated and absorbed by yhwach thanks to the hogoku already granting him immortality let alone with it hew would just reappear and evolve
Aizen doesn't have bankai that's the fact the reason is clear before a shinigami have access to bankai you have to spend time with your blade train with it or use the means Urahara and Ichigo used but Aizen is proud he thinks he can win all battle with is shikai so he doesn't train to attain bankai, evidence is when ICHIGO fought him and explained how he felt loneliness in his sword.
And Yamamoto will always win against Aizen no matter what firstly Aizen can never escape the fire if wonder wise did not absorb it and even if Aizen transcend Yamamoto will still sense him reason for this is during the TYBW ARC after all the training in the munken and the transitions they still sensed him it's because the captains have trained more and also sensing a transcended being is based on riatsu level, Ichigo has a very good riatsu that why ishin advised him to do the dangai training plus since he was the one that sensed him after transcending and you can't compare ishin with all other captains their riatsu level defers back to Yamamoto's fight if Yamamoto is not holding back and please don't compare Yamamoto's bankai to Gin's bankai if tanka no tashi west was to hit Aizen's chest, then Aizen's chest and the hygoku will disappear from existence.
When Gin hits Aizen, Aizen's body doesn't disappear it just disintegrates to very small particles giving the hygoku something to stich back to place but for Yamamoto it will disappear completely, when Gin fights Ichigo Gin bankai doesn't make Ichigo disappear but if it's Yamamoto bankai then Ichigo would seize in existence
I think theres 2 potential ways to look at Wonderweiss.
Either aizen viewed yamamoto as a clear threat and knew he would lose and thus made a counter to stall, or aizen was just being overly cautious. I think the second option is more true than the first. Its possible he didnt know how and when he would ascend, and wanted some level of insurance. And realistically, he is the type of person to take 0 risks even if he knows he is basically guaranteed to win. Even if he thinks he will win, why bother when you can just take losing out of the equation entirely.
That being said... i dont think it was smart for yamamoto to not bankai. If his entire plan revolves around blowing them both up since before even starting this whole thing.... it would have been better to have a plan that allowed him to actually bankai and not kill literally everyone. Especially given the outcome of not using bankai had.
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I agree pretty much with everything in this video. I think Yamamoto ideally should be able to push Aizen to maybe at least his first post-cocoon transformation. I would say probably up to Aizen's "butterfly" transformation at the most if he hasn't already rendered him to ash with Zanka no Tachi.
Hopefully one day we get an idea on what Aizen's bankai really is.
I don't think he has one. He just used his Shikai to fool everyone into thinking he does.
I think Yama should be ressistant to kyoka suigetsu just like aizen was to nigeki kessatsu
Maybe against base Aizen but anything past Hogyoku Yama dies I don’t care if he uses Bankai
Imagine a Bleach 'What If' series... that would be Maaaaad
Aizen was letting his guard down that's why Yamaji could hold his hand and later Aizen didn't use his kyōka Suigetsu when Yamaji was on ground because he thought he was done for
If Aizen was serious, he could have used Kyōka Suigetsu from start and the battle is done for
Aizen slams
Thank you! Every online community talking about this showdown will bend over backwards to declare Aizen weaker because he prepared beforehand but as soon as I bring up Yama's own prep people fall into denial.
Yama was willing to wipe out the majority of the Gotei, including himself, just for the POSSIBLE chance to kill Aizen. Thats desperation at its highest level yet people talk like Yama had some imaginary easy win. He was hiding the whole fight prepping his oneshot technique, just hoping.
In the data books, next to Yama’s bankai, it states Aizen was never a true threat. It’s definitely implied that Yama vs Aizen(base) would body him badly which is why Aizen developed Wonderweiss. What good is hypnosis if you can’t even touch nor get anywhere near your opponent because of flames, flames hotter than the sun, turning matter into plasma. Smarter but not stronger, which is why he had to plan a deterrent for Yama.
Nice vid as always✅💯
Not saying Yama wouldnt beat Aizen but are u sure about the gap being that big? I havent read the latest databooks but the ones from the earlier arcs showed that Aizen's stats were pretty close to Yamamoto's (Unohana too, tbh).
Altho I guess if u factor in zanpakuto powers as well, its a different story..... Aizen for all his hypnosis and power has no answer to Yama's Bankai