Hands down my fave PC World video - you had me laughing and smiling front to back. Love those speeds and thanks for taking us a few laps around the track!
I had to search youtube to see if anyone was as crazy as I am. And then I found this video. I have the Z790 Extreme and FINALLY got 4x 4TB NVMe's to work on RAID0. I experienced a similar issue you did with 4 giving me slower performance, but then I found a configuration that worked that pushed out 26.3GB/23.5GB R/W. My reasoning aligns with yours. Thank you.
Makes me worry about enterprise scaling, i mean, if i put 4x hyper x boards with 4x nvme's each for a "ultra fast server platform", will the machine get slower? Would i be better off building m2 NAS?
I'm looking to do this. But so far I haven't found anyone that shows them running 4 NVMEs correctly. I'm curious, what config did you go with to finally get the speeds you were looking for?
@@timothypurselley880 so the motherboard has its limits. I could run a pair just fine in RAID0. The NVMe DIMM had a suffering performance when I put two NVMe's in it. I tried running two NVMe's onboard, and two in the DIMM expansion. The numbers didn't line up. The storage was all there but something about the DIMM sharing two in a single slot bottlenecked the performance. I had to use 3 onboard NVMe slots and the 4th slot was on the DIMM. The DIMM can slot two NVMe's but should only be used with one NVMe as it will be a bottleneck. By using all of my NVMe slots onboard, it disabled my second PCIe5 slot. But that's ok.because the primary slot is still at full speed and runs the 4090
@@greatwavefan397 I use them quite a bit. Keeps the writes on my nome drives down. Started re encoding my blue rays, only have to write to my disk drives once. Has saved me a fortune not having to replace the ssd
OH. MY. GOD! It's my favorite former editor-in-chief from MaximumPC (and the No-BS podcast!). I loved how Gordon would fly off the rails on the podcast, amazing stuff!
Stumbled on this video while looking for a raid card. One thing missing in the video is that RAID was made for servers, not desktops. People wanted it for desktop to make gaming faster, which Gen 4 NVMe does well. But I want to run a server with raid to host games, I need them I/Os! Thanks for the video as it lets me know what you got out of it.
I had two Western Digital Raptor 10,000rpm 74gb hard drives in RAID 0 back in the day. It absolutely screamed for the time. Pair that with an AMD Athlon 64 3000+ CPU, 1gb Crucial DDR1 400mhz RAM and an Nvidia 6800 Ultra 256mb graphics card and that thing could chew up any game I threw at it. I also bought four Western Digital 7,200rpm 250gb HDDs for storage at the time I built this PC. They were the largest capacity HDDs I could find. And one of the first to use SATA. I configured those in two separate RAID 0 arrays to boost performance. To have nearly 1tb of useable space in 2004 was nearly unheard of. (And very expensive.) But all my friends were jealous. Now as a 42 year old I look back on that and cringe. Six drives all configured in RAID 0. I had absolutely no backup storage. Which is risk level 100. Just a young man living life on the edge. But I never had a failure on that system. Now I'm more of a RAID 5 or 6 kind of guy. I've lost too much critical data over the years to NOT use some kind of parity.
haha I actually do run 2X PCIe 3.0 NVMe's in RAID0 on my desktop.. not for any performance reasons, but just for simplicity so I can have one drive rather than having to split it into 2. I run a PCIe 4.0 NVMe for my OS drive though that is insanely fast - like 7.5GB/s read performance.. Rocking it with my 12900K + 3080Ti
@@secondskins-nl If you need reliability use 3 drives in RAID5. It'll give speed like 2 drives in RAID0, but one drive can harmlessly die without corrupting the data.
@@RustedCroaker yep that's best. I also liked to run RAID0 because of speed but it makes the storage half as reliable. Not really what RAID is about. Not my pick of ''simplicity'
I am that deaf guy who shoots in 6-1K BRAW and I just want to say thank you for captioning this! For some people this makes their eyes water. For others like me, it makes my mouth water. Gimme dem bits.
I love how so much leading edge tech that hits the markets nowadays makes all these claims about its capabilities, and then there are people who talk about all the configurations you can do that give you xyz amazing performance etc. etc. And yet not a soul on Earth can ever get the damn thing to quite achieve all those claims. Always best to stick to the third from best of anything, because the absolute top is almost guaranteed to fail to deliver on its promises, while the second is still being run through one workaround or the other "fix". So, it's not about getting what's promised, it's about knowing it will never happen, being willing to accept the limitations that they don't talk about, and spending far less money for a reasonable product that you can know what to expect from it.
Next time, use an MSI x570 Ace MAX instead, which grants you 6 native PCIe 4.0 m.2 slots, 4 of them on the motherboard and 2 more with a similar AIC. 3 of those drives will be direct to CPU using x8x8 bifurcation on the second PCIe x16 slot. Or you could get a 4-slot PCIe 4.0 AIC and run it on the primary x16 slot at x16 and put a GPU on the 3rd x16 slot (Chipset), and have a total of 5 D.E.D.I.C.A.T.E.D. CPU-bound PCIe 4.0@x4 (that's right, 4 lanes EACH) using x4x4x4x4 bifurcation. And not only is AMD Raid easier than Intel, you should also be using Windows Storage Spaces for software Raid which will sometimes achieve better performance, and most importantly, the Raid configuration isn't bound to the motherboard but to the disks themselves and allow changing motherboard.
Yep, AMD made it super easy to do. Although X399 is only PCIe 3.0, it's insanely fast with 4 good SSD's for its generation. Still rocking the TR 2990wx for about another year or so, then it will definitely be too long in the tooth. Still remarkably good value at $800 in 2019.
I have the X570s Ace Max. If you try and Raid M3 and M4 slots with a Gen4 SN850 it kills performance, so 4 drives in RAID0 = 9GBS. 4 drive Raid0, M1 & M2 + xpander = 22GBS in crystaldiskmark. The bandwidth isn't there, its fine for 2XSN550 but not Gen 4. I ended up with 4xSN850s 2 onboard + 2 in xpander for Raid 0 and then 2x SN550s in Raid0 in slots 3 & 4. Be interesting to know what drives you've run to get all 6 working in a Raid0 on Gen4. Slots 3 and 4 with a non raid setup can max out to 7GBs but only when run individually.
I have an X570 Unify and X570 Taichi and both do RAID 0 with NVMe. I didn't use it for bragging rights; I used it so I could buy 2 inexpensive, relatively speaking, NVMe 1TB drives to create a single 2TB drive. It also allows for 2 gen3 drives to perform like a gen4 drive. So, I paid $200 for 2TB of fast NVMe, like gen4 fast, like both read/write is over gen3 speed of around 4GB/s. The MBs have 3 ports for NVMe but the 3rd is running Linux. The NVMe RAID 0 runs Win10 for gaming for which it's plenty fast and will be good enough for DirectStorage used in newer games or ported to older games if that happens which I doubt.
If you buy the TaiChi X399 and combine it with the Asus single slot 4x ssd card and bifurcation of the lanes, even though it's only PCIe 3.0, performance is SICK. I did this on a "budget" ThreadRipper build and it was hilarious how fast it was. The budget TR build was a TaiChi X399 ($179), 1920x ($150), Asus x16 SSD card ($64), and 4 HP950EX's ($200 ea)... I had 64 GB of RAM and a spare 1080ti lying around. I did upgrade the CPU to a 2990wx eventually ($800). I use it to watch TH-cam videos... and flex. ;) It's about time for an upgrade. I use it for other stuff too (more than just MS Word).
thank you so much, if you want 4x speed for best results; your motherboard chipset and cpu must give to support gen4 4x speed all m2 slots. your motherboard m2_2 slot seem gen3 x4 , gen3 x4 slower, for reason all other m2 disk will work gen3 x4 mode.
Man you had me subscribe without asking. That's the spirit. Excellent results and attitude vs the experts ("why would you need more than 640KB conventional memory?" - Bill Gates). My favorite line here: "I've already ignored you regarding (...), why should I start paying attention now?" I hope you don't mind me reusing.
Gordon, this is why I like you. You love speed and power for their own sake. This enthusiast love is the trait that has kept our hobby innovating for four decades, not "PrIcE tO pErFoRmAnCe." Value is great if you're on a budget, but these channels who would say a 12400f is better than a 12900K because it's cheaper are not for me. You're a rare breed, PC World. I salute you.
I'm using Linux Raid 6, with 9 6TB drives, giving me 36TB storage with one drive as a hot spare. There is something rather satisfying hearing those mechanical hard drives clicking away, something an SSD based raid just can't do [Call me old-fashioned]. But the main reason I prefer mechanical drives is the storage capacity they offer at much cheaper cost. I have a Fractal Design 7 XL case that can house up to 18 3.5" drives, so I have room for expansion if I need to add more drives in the future. Maybe one day when there is less of a limit to how many SSD's you can install, and capacities increase and costs come down, I'll switch, but until then, it's the old spinning drives for me :)
I also have done things to my IT equipment that I did not REALLY need, just to see if it can be done ... and as you said, just to show off... :) (Writing this from my Dell Latitude 5420 laptop that has now 64GB memory and 2 TB SSD, when the max that Dell was selling was 16GB memory and 512GB SSD, on this model)
I just did something similar. My new MOBO came with two Gen 4 slots and two Gen 5s. So naturally what did I do? I got two 2TB Gen 5 drives and two 4TB gen 4 drives. Made two arrays. The numbers are insane.
sk hynix cornered the market right now. dirt cheap best in class ssd's in both performance and durability, while also boasting the fastest ddr5 on the market. impressive
I think just running some kind of octane drive would give you sick latency,which is what you feel moat of the time, too bad they killed it,that stuff was sick. Even ifnit wasn't 7gbps etc..
LOL LOVE the video! Been playing with RAID 0 on an 2012 Mac Mini, since, for the last years and it brought the mini back to life, as if it was high on 20 Red Bulls. LOL. I loved it, but Apple always makes it difficult for the ones that want to thinker with their Macs. It has glitches if you install the news OSs. Anyway, decided to switch to PC for work, cause Apple highjacked the prices on the new Silicon Macs, as if everyone is a billionaire. Ordered my PC parts already, this weekend, so I was thinking of how I can implement RAID with Intel and Windows, and what are the ups and downs. This video was perfect for my research. Thank you!!!
Turns out this is extremely practical. Imagine a situation where you need to load training sets for ai and they are freaking huge and you also are doing a heck of a lot of disk io to prepare those training sets.
It does nothing at all. Are you sitting in front of a PC with a magnifying glass watching a second timer or are you doing important or entertaining stuff besides?
@@LanceBryantGrigg The speed isn't capped by the SSD, but by the medium that handles the AI (GPU). Reading and writing itself is nearly instant, but 99.9% of time the loaded data is handled by the GPUs GDDR6x (which is 1 TB/s vs. the systems DDR5-8400 67.2 GB/s) as long it's in the work process.
The market is crazy right now. With prices so low I’m finally building a Linux NAS server that’s I’ve dreamed about for years. Problem is NVME drives are on par in price/GB to SATA drives so I can’t justify it even if a SINGLE nvme drive will saturate the 10g network bus. So here i am, building a quad NVME RAID system for a network server. Weird times we live in.
one question did you test a win 11 duall original in rade 0 set from 16:9 to stupid 21:9 at 16:9 monitor after settings and drivers install everything your 5400tb 2x3tb split performance + do you get with rade 5 now you need another 12tb to run win 11 with 5400tb and if you couple both then a win11 normal in the background 16:9 rade 5 a virtual one with the rade 0 and 5 settings taken over of course operate all drivers and graphics games applications have installed .in 4k uses windows as the main system have an autostart console and use games on another console 16:9 1080p setting and the application history installed with games is combined. or use a console full screen without a border on the desktop scaled 1080p 1440p for gaming extra in 4k what do you think how much better that you run don't have to set 8k at 5400tb only 4k so that won't do you any good
I loved this. Way to go Grandpa! BTW, I'm 67.5 years old. 😀 I'll be upgrading my PC to the latest and greatest in 2024. I'm waiting for the rumored dual GPU NVidia 5090, new motherboard chipsets to support M.2 Gen 5 and better PCIe gen. 5 support. Just like you, I think a RAID setup is the way to go. I plan to set up a RAID 10 using 4x M.2 Gen 5 for Windows 11. Then, 2x M.2 Gen 5 set up as RAID 0 for raw 8k video capture at 60+ fps as well as video playback to dual 32" 6K or 8K monitors which may be out next year. The whole setup built into a water cooled Corsair Obsidian 1000D case. I have started to research how to best set up RAID 10 and RAID 0 for M.2 drives. Any pointers?
The 1000D is the way to go. I have one with 60mm quad 120mm heatsinks, tons of RGB and its a sight to behold. Lights off in a dark room it looks like a crystal cave with the RGB lights refracting off the glass covers and reflecting of the walls and ceiling...
I’m very interested in setting this up. I have a z790 e Wi-Fi. Can I do this with with my os already installed? The Strixx E has five slot but only one pcie 5 shared with the gpu, a dedicated gen 4 to cpu, 3 to chip set. I imagine I would need a m.2X16 card. My question which slots you used for what? Chipset vs cpu lanes 😵💫
I love this video I subscribed! What a madman 😂😂 I LOVE how you make it clear from the beginning that you don't care about what the "experts" say. These days the hardware community is full of them and it makes everyone anxious to suggest anything. I think the community needs some chill these days and let's do things for fun like the old days. This video hits that point perfectly!
yes but the maintenance on that thing must be overwhelming as you can have all that stuff packed but once one starts to heat up it all begins going downhill. So yeah enjoy it for the few hours before that thing starts saving you money on your heating bill.
What kind of options are out there for m.2 pcie hardware raid cards that support raid 5 and/or 6? I can't find anything other than cards rhat support raid 0,1, and 10.. should I just be looking at m.2 NAS enclosures? Preferably I'd like to keep it internal
Man, with this RAID setup, gigabit internet, 1.5TB of DDR 4 and a 3090 I'll bet you can open at least 5-6 Chrome tabs on Windows before stalling.
loooooooooolllllllllllllllllll
Yep - Chrome
like it but it does sloooow
Rtx 4090 you mean
solid
No, chrome crashes at 4th tab
Hands down my fave PC World video - you had me laughing and smiling front to back. Love those speeds and thanks for taking us a few laps around the track!
Finally, storage that can keep up with Gordon's internet.
Please never stop being you Gordon. You are the biggest reason i sub to PC world
Rest in peace king 😢
Great video! I absolutely loved the format.
I had to search youtube to see if anyone was as crazy as I am. And then I found this video. I have the Z790 Extreme and FINALLY got 4x 4TB NVMe's to work on RAID0. I experienced a similar issue you did with 4 giving me slower performance, but then I found a configuration that worked that pushed out 26.3GB/23.5GB R/W. My reasoning aligns with yours. Thank you.
Makes me worry about enterprise scaling, i mean, if i put 4x hyper x boards with 4x nvme's each for a "ultra fast server platform", will the machine get slower? Would i be better off building m2 NAS?
I'm looking to do this. But so far I haven't found anyone that shows them running 4 NVMEs correctly. I'm curious, what config did you go with to finally get the speeds you were looking for?
@@lizzyfrizzy4969 I only have so many slots. I am using the PCIE card for a 4090. It would be a good test to see how fast the bus would go
@@timothypurselley880 so the motherboard has its limits. I could run a pair just fine in RAID0. The NVMe DIMM had a suffering performance when I put two NVMe's in it. I tried running two NVMe's onboard, and two in the DIMM expansion. The numbers didn't line up. The storage was all there but something about the DIMM sharing two in a single slot bottlenecked the performance. I had to use 3 onboard NVMe slots and the 4th slot was on the DIMM. The DIMM can slot two NVMe's but should only be used with one NVMe as it will be a bottleneck. By using all of my NVMe slots onboard, it disabled my second PCIe5 slot. But that's ok.because the primary slot is still at full speed and runs the 4090
Gordon being Gordon should be it's own show sponsored financially by PC World. When you find talent like that you give it free reign.
What's even better is an Epyc/Threadripper system with all those gen 4 drives going directly to the CPU. None of this through the chipset stuff.
lol eventually everything will just morph into this ONE huge CPU/GPU/SSD unit with the size of whole 1 nm
Next up, 128GB of DDR5 with 100GB allocated to a Ramdisk.
I freaking love ramdisks! So useful
@@nathanlowery1141 I see myself using RAM disks often 🤔
@@greatwavefan397 I use them quite a bit. Keeps the writes on my nome drives down. Started re encoding my blue rays, only have to write to my disk drives once. Has saved me a fortune not having to replace the ssd
This is the way.
That sounds sensible.
Missed Top Gun opportunity right there 0:28. I feel the need…..the need for speed “clap”😂😂😂. Love the video. Getting my 2-2TB chips in tomorrow
i'm also that guy. i'm about to raid 0 two T705s
This is great, thank you. The way you presented the argument for, how you presented the data, the jokes, everything. Definitely watching more. Cheers!
I need to see more of this guy. Just discovered him today with this vid. More please!
OH. MY. GOD! It's my favorite former editor-in-chief from MaximumPC (and the No-BS podcast!). I loved how Gordon would fly off the rails on the podcast, amazing stuff!
i'm loving this content: "You do it to show off!" ^_^
Stumbled on this video while looking for a raid card. One thing missing in the video is that RAID was made for servers, not desktops. People wanted it for desktop to make gaming faster, which Gen 4 NVMe does well. But I want to run a server with raid to host games, I need them I/Os! Thanks for the video as it lets me know what you got out of it.
I had two Western Digital Raptor 10,000rpm 74gb hard drives in RAID 0 back in the day. It absolutely screamed for the time. Pair that with an AMD Athlon 64 3000+ CPU, 1gb Crucial DDR1 400mhz RAM and an Nvidia 6800 Ultra 256mb graphics card and that thing could chew up any game I threw at it. I also bought four Western Digital 7,200rpm 250gb HDDs for storage at the time I built this PC. They were the largest capacity HDDs I could find. And one of the first to use SATA. I configured those in two separate RAID 0 arrays to boost performance. To have nearly 1tb of useable space in 2004 was nearly unheard of. (And very expensive.) But all my friends were jealous. Now as a 42 year old I look back on that and cringe. Six drives all configured in RAID 0. I had absolutely no backup storage. Which is risk level 100. Just a young man living life on the edge. But I never had a failure on that system. Now I'm more of a RAID 5 or 6 kind of guy. I've lost too much critical data over the years to NOT use some kind of parity.
haha I actually do run 2X PCIe 3.0 NVMe's in RAID0 on my desktop.. not for any performance reasons, but just for simplicity so I can have one drive rather than having to split it into 2. I run a PCIe 4.0 NVMe for my OS drive though that is insanely fast - like 7.5GB/s read performance.. Rocking it with my 12900K + 3080Ti
It's less fun if one of them dies and you loose twice the data but guess you do backups like everyone ;)
@@secondskins-nl If you need reliability use 3 drives in RAID5. It'll give speed like 2 drives in RAID0, but one drive can harmlessly die without corrupting the data.
@@RustedCroaker yep that's best. I also liked to run RAID0 because of speed but it makes the storage half as reliable. Not really what RAID is about. Not my pick of ''simplicity'
“…cause I’m that guy” I love it! 😎
Even running value PCIe 4.0 SSDs like the Crucial P3+ 4TB, often on sale around $280-300, would give you 4-8TB of PCIe 5.0 gen 1 speeds (approx 10Gb).
Love this guy, couldnt find a video where someone does this, but maybe when microsoft releases direct storage this might be actually useful
it's already released, we just don't have games yet that support it.
Hahaha, Gordo. I remember you from, Maximum PC magazine days. It's good to see, that you are still kicking🔥
Legendary video. Nothing but facts here.
LOVE THIS MAN.
I am that deaf guy who shoots in 6-1K BRAW and I just want to say thank you for captioning this! For some people this makes their eyes water. For others like me, it makes my mouth water. Gimme dem bits.
Well done, love this video.
You got a new subscriber!
I love how so much leading edge tech that hits the markets nowadays makes all these claims about its capabilities, and then there are people who talk about all the configurations you can do that give you xyz amazing performance etc. etc. And yet not a soul on Earth can ever get the damn thing to quite achieve all those claims. Always best to stick to the third from best of anything, because the absolute top is almost guaranteed to fail to deliver on its promises, while the second is still being run through one workaround or the other "fix". So, it's not about getting what's promised, it's about knowing it will never happen, being willing to accept the limitations that they don't talk about, and spending far less money for a reasonable product that you can know what to expect from it.
Next time, use an MSI x570 Ace MAX instead, which grants you 6 native PCIe 4.0 m.2 slots, 4 of them on the motherboard and 2 more with a similar AIC. 3 of those drives will be direct to CPU using x8x8 bifurcation on the second PCIe x16 slot. Or you could get a 4-slot PCIe 4.0 AIC and run it on the primary x16 slot at x16 and put a GPU on the 3rd x16 slot (Chipset), and have a total of 5 D.E.D.I.C.A.T.E.D. CPU-bound PCIe 4.0@x4 (that's right, 4 lanes EACH) using x4x4x4x4 bifurcation. And not only is AMD Raid easier than Intel, you should also be using Windows Storage Spaces for software Raid which will sometimes achieve better performance, and most importantly, the Raid configuration isn't bound to the motherboard but to the disks themselves and allow changing motherboard.
Yep, AMD made it super easy to do. Although X399 is only PCIe 3.0, it's insanely fast with 4 good SSD's for its generation. Still rocking the TR 2990wx for about another year or so, then it will definitely be too long in the tooth. Still remarkably good value at $800 in 2019.
I have the X570s Ace Max. If you try and Raid M3 and M4 slots with a Gen4 SN850 it kills performance, so 4 drives in RAID0 = 9GBS. 4 drive Raid0, M1 & M2 + xpander = 22GBS in crystaldiskmark. The bandwidth isn't there, its fine for 2XSN550 but not Gen 4. I ended up with 4xSN850s 2 onboard + 2 in xpander for Raid 0 and then 2x SN550s in Raid0 in slots 3 & 4. Be interesting to know what drives you've run to get all 6 working in a Raid0 on Gen4. Slots 3 and 4 with a non raid setup can max out to 7GBs but only when run individually.
I have an X570 Unify and X570 Taichi and both do RAID 0 with NVMe. I didn't use it for bragging rights; I used it so I could buy 2 inexpensive, relatively speaking, NVMe 1TB drives to create a single 2TB drive. It also allows for 2 gen3 drives to perform like a gen4 drive. So, I paid $200 for 2TB of fast NVMe, like gen4 fast, like both read/write is over gen3 speed of around 4GB/s. The MBs have 3 ports for NVMe but the 3rd is running Linux. The NVMe RAID 0 runs Win10 for gaming for which it's plenty fast and will be good enough for DirectStorage used in newer games or ported to older games if that happens which I doubt.
If you buy the TaiChi X399 and combine it with the Asus single slot 4x ssd card and bifurcation of the lanes, even though it's only PCIe 3.0, performance is SICK.
I did this on a "budget" ThreadRipper build and it was hilarious how fast it was. The budget TR build was a TaiChi X399 ($179), 1920x ($150), Asus x16 SSD card ($64), and 4 HP950EX's ($200 ea)... I had 64 GB of RAM and a spare 1080ti lying around. I did upgrade the CPU to a 2990wx eventually ($800).
I use it to watch TH-cam videos... and flex. ;) It's about time for an upgrade. I use it for other stuff too (more than just MS Word).
6:35 You don't do it because its practical. You DO IT to show off. I like you already. Now repeat with Gen5 drives.
thank you so much, if you want 4x speed for best results; your motherboard chipset and cpu must give to support gen4 4x speed all m2 slots. your motherboard m2_2 slot seem gen3 x4 , gen3 x4 slower, for reason all other m2 disk will work gen3 x4 mode.
1st time watching....you are hilarious. Rock on.
Gordon is a national treasure.
Man you had me subscribe without asking. That's the spirit. Excellent results and attitude vs the experts ("why would you need more than 640KB conventional memory?" - Bill Gates). My favorite line here: "I've already ignored you regarding (...), why should I start paying attention now?" I hope you don't mind me reusing.
Gordon, this is why I like you. You love speed and power for their own sake. This enthusiast love is the trait that has kept our hobby innovating for four decades, not "PrIcE tO pErFoRmAnCe."
Value is great if you're on a budget, but these channels who would say a 12400f is better than a 12900K because it's cheaper are not for me. You're a rare breed, PC World. I salute you.
Loved the tone...
I'm using Linux Raid 6, with 9 6TB drives, giving me 36TB storage with one drive as a hot spare. There is something rather satisfying hearing those mechanical hard drives clicking away, something an SSD based raid just can't do [Call me old-fashioned]. But the main reason I prefer mechanical drives is the storage capacity they offer at much cheaper cost. I have a Fractal Design 7 XL case that can house up to 18 3.5" drives, so I have room for expansion if I need to add more drives in the future. Maybe one day when there is less of a limit to how many SSD's you can install, and capacities increase and costs come down, I'll switch, but until then, it's the old spinning drives for me :)
I also have done things to my IT equipment that I did not REALLY need, just to see if it can be done ... and as you said, just to show off... :)
(Writing this from my Dell Latitude 5420 laptop that has now 64GB memory and 2 TB SSD, when the max that Dell was selling was 16GB memory and 512GB SSD, on this model)
Cheap pre-built computers...pffft...
I just did something similar. My new MOBO came with two Gen 4 slots and two Gen 5s. So naturally what did I do? I got two 2TB Gen 5 drives and two 4TB gen 4 drives. Made two arrays. The numbers are insane.
No game loading time tests?
this video gets a like from me buddy. you keep showing them haters we do stuff because we feel like not because its practical
This is the 1st time watching his video and man the guy hilarious 😂😂😂
sk hynix cornered the market right now. dirt cheap best in class ssd's in both performance and durability, while also boasting the fastest ddr5 on the market. impressive
This is the Gordon we all want to see!
I think just running some kind of octane drive would give you sick latency,which is what you feel moat of the time, too bad they killed it,that stuff was sick. Even ifnit wasn't 7gbps etc..
This guy’s awesome.
LOL LOVE the video! Been playing with RAID 0 on an 2012 Mac Mini, since, for the last years and it brought the mini back to life, as if it was high on 20 Red Bulls. LOL. I loved it, but Apple always makes it difficult for the ones that want to thinker with their Macs. It has glitches if you install the news OSs. Anyway, decided to switch to PC for work, cause Apple highjacked the prices on the new Silicon Macs, as if everyone is a billionaire. Ordered my PC parts already, this weekend, so I was thinking of how I can implement RAID with Intel and Windows, and what are the ups and downs. This video was perfect for my research. Thank you!!!
OMG 😱! That's fast! I love it!!!
When you say M.2 you mean NVMe, right?
What a fantastically entertaining video 😁👍💯
Thank you. I’m building a z790/13900k and was hesitant about going with multi m.2 ssds.
Gordon is my spirit animal
Everybody gangsta until the SSD cache is full.
Turns out this is extremely practical. Imagine a situation where you need to load training sets for ai and they are freaking huge and you also are doing a heck of a lot of disk io to prepare those training sets.
exactly why I'm here watching this video. to see what kind of numbers you can get and if its worth it for AI training. turns out it IS !
It does nothing at all. Are you sitting in front of a PC with a magnifying glass watching a second timer or are you doing important or entertaining stuff besides?
@@GERRazeUhh, no this generally assumes 100% hard drive usage for months straight actually.
@@LanceBryantGrigg The speed isn't capped by the SSD, but by the medium that handles the AI (GPU). Reading and writing itself is nearly instant, but 99.9% of time the loaded data is handled by the GPUs GDDR6x (which is 1 TB/s vs. the systems DDR5-8400 67.2 GB/s) as long it's in the work process.
@@GERRaze depends on what you are training on.
The ultimate "compensator" of PC storage speeds
I have been thinking that I could use this for rendering and caching in After Effects.
2 years later - just bought TWO!! pci-e 5.0 T705 2 TB to use in a raid 0 ;) Why? Because I can...
As someone who used to run RAID 0 WD Velociraptors, yeah
Is this the Chinese guy from the Kung Fu film 36th Chambers of Shaolin?
Best SSD related video ever
Time to build a 12x pcie4 nvme raid on threadripper pro
or EPYC, or Xeon
The market is crazy right now. With prices so low I’m finally building a Linux NAS server that’s I’ve dreamed about for years. Problem is NVME drives are on par in price/GB to SATA drives so I can’t justify it even if a SINGLE nvme drive will saturate the 10g network bus. So here i am, building a quad NVME RAID system for a network server. Weird times we live in.
According to everything I have seen it's ok for sequential, but it's quite bad for random. What have been your results regarding this?
Oh, he's the old Maximum PC guy!!.... ? I remember him! Nice.
It's like a sports car. No one needs one but everyone wants one.
I LOVE THE IDEA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
one question did you test a win 11 duall original in rade 0 set from 16:9 to stupid 21:9 at 16:9 monitor after settings and drivers install everything your 5400tb 2x3tb split performance + do you get with rade 5 now you need another 12tb to run win 11 with 5400tb and if you couple both then a win11 normal in the background 16:9 rade 5 a virtual one with the rade 0 and 5 settings taken over of course operate all drivers and graphics games applications have installed .in 4k uses windows as the main system have an autostart console and use games on another console 16:9 1080p setting and the application history installed with games is combined. or use a console full screen without a border on the desktop scaled 1080p 1440p for gaming extra in 4k what do you think how much better that you run don't have to set 8k at 5400tb only 4k so that won't do you any good
And i drive 8gb gpu 20gb i have over 4 gpus its faster as 1 3080 and 3090
Informative, and hilarious. What else could you ask for?
I loved this. Way to go Grandpa! BTW, I'm 67.5 years old. 😀
I'll be upgrading my PC to the latest and greatest in 2024. I'm waiting for the rumored dual GPU NVidia 5090, new motherboard chipsets to support M.2 Gen 5 and better PCIe gen. 5 support.
Just like you, I think a RAID setup is the way to go. I plan to set up a RAID 10 using 4x M.2 Gen 5 for Windows 11. Then, 2x M.2 Gen 5 set up as RAID 0 for raw 8k video capture at 60+ fps as well as video playback to dual 32" 6K or 8K monitors which may be out next year.
The whole setup built into a water cooled Corsair Obsidian 1000D case.
I have started to research how to best set up RAID 10 and RAID 0 for M.2 drives. Any pointers?
The 1000D is the way to go. I have one with 60mm quad 120mm heatsinks, tons of RGB and its a sight to behold. Lights off in a dark room it looks like a crystal cave with the RGB lights refracting off the glass covers and reflecting of the walls and ceiling...
still waiting? haha
All this performance and Google Chrome is like: "Allow me to introduce myself."
P41 1tb on sale on amazon right now!! 10-3-22
Great video, very entertaining. What about running them in RAID-1 for resilience?
I’m very interested in setting this up. I have a z790 e Wi-Fi. Can I do this with with my os already installed? The Strixx E has five slot but only one pcie 5 shared with the gpu, a dedicated gen 4 to cpu, 3 to chip set. I imagine I would need a m.2X16 card. My question which slots you used for what? Chipset vs cpu lanes 😵💫
What would you suggest for HEAVY 4k video editing as far as a storage system?
What is the name of the background music that starts at 4:37 ? I love it
I love this video I subscribed! What a madman 😂😂 I LOVE how you make it clear from the beginning that you don't care about what the "experts" say. These days the hardware community is full of them and it makes everyone anxious to suggest anything. I think the community needs some chill these days and let's do things for fun like the old days. This video hits that point perfectly!
Thanks for sharing this.
Finally found someone to a video on SSD RAiD
Quick question? Did you do all three drives in Raid 0 on the Pcie card? Or just two in the card and one on the motherboard??
How fast are the last tests on Crystal disc Mark? I'm concerned about the random speeds not being quite as fast.
Bro even bought the camera at the end hahah
2 secs into listening to mr. Humble got me subscribed
"I'm that guy"
here, take my view
My information is probably very out of date, but doesn't this mess with TRIM?
QNAP has an expansion card for their PC based NASes that hold 4 nvme SSDs, however it's only PCIe 2.0.
I had a test rig and sometimes you get tons of problems, I lost performance going from solo drive to RAID 0 on 2 Gen 3 pcie nvme ssds
yes but the maintenance on that thing must be overwhelming as you can have all that stuff packed but once one starts to heat up it all begins going downhill. So yeah enjoy it for the few hours before that thing starts saving you money on your heating bill.
you are the best!
First time watching, loved it hahahhaha
I have four 2tb gen fours in raid ten and man going from Hardrives to this it's like night and day
On that specific motherboard, one of the NVME slots are only PCIe 3.0
PCworld Please revive your "Last Cam Standing" series.
Those 21 GB read speeds are absolutely necessary for our 16k video Editing with zero stuttering while scrubbing habits -_-
@Kiredmik
Is Sk hynix Platinum P41 compatible with early 2015 Macbook Pro?
"I'm That Guy" - Yup. Why have More Cores, More GPUs, More Storage, Faster EVERYTHING ?
- Because you CAN ! :-D
:D ending is brilliant
What kind of options are out there for m.2 pcie hardware raid cards that support raid 5 and/or 6? I can't find anything other than cards rhat support raid 0,1, and 10.. should I just be looking at m.2 NAS enclosures? Preferably I'd like to keep it internal
What if 8x nvme drives for low power unraid server is all you want with no raid. Would using onboard be worth it?
The guy knows what he wants.