GTR Southern Class 377 - FANTASTIC VALUE FOR MONEY!! - Standard Class Review (London to Southampton)
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- Hello, and welcome back to a new train trip report on my channel. For this video, I am travelling with one of Govia Thameslink Railway's Southern branded trains for a great value trip from London to Southampton.
Today's trip on one of the UK's most ubiquitous train types begins in London Victoria, a large commuter terminus serving both GTR's Southern brand, as well as trains operated by Southeastern. After departure the train travels through Clapham Junction, purportedly the station with the highest throughput of scheduled services in all of Europe.
Next the train speeds to Gatwick Airport (also calling at Easy Croydon along the way), completing the airport hop in just 33 minutes. This is almost as fast as the so-called Gatwick Express, but don't worry, a seperate and interesting video is coming on that. Afterwards the next place of note is Horsham, where the train divides, allowing the rear portion to serve more stations along its way to Bognor Regis. Next the train passes Havant, where some trains go to Portsmouth, before finally arriving into Southampton Central, while skirting the Solent.
Whilst GTR's Southern brand has been under controversy in recent years due to poor performance, and its attempts to eliminate safety critical staff (among other things), I was pleasantly surprised by the service, and of course the price was particularly exceptional. Watch the video to find out more!
#goviathameslinkrailway #southern #class377 #electrostar #tripreport
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Journey Details:
Origin: London Victoria
Destination: Southampton Central
Company: Govia Thameslink Railway (Southern brand)
Train: UK Class 377 'Electrostar'
Accommodation: Standard Class Seat (2nd)
Distance: 103 miles / 166 kilometres
Price: £3.30!
Time: 2h28m -3E
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My local trains! Always prefer a 377 over a horrid 700. The 377s are much more comfortable and pleasant to travel on.
I agree the 700s are horrid
@@southern.spotter Hey arfa
@@LondonAndSouthEastTransport Hey joshy boshy washy machine
the only good thing about the 700s is that you can see what bit your on, and the train going around a turn
Imagine the ironing board seats on the 700s 😂
I remember as a kid when these trains first arrived in the early 00s, replacing the old 4CIGs. They seemed so futuristic at the time, like spaceships on rails! They’re still looking great all these years later.
A £3 ticket?! That is very good value
Started watching this on a 377/1 at the time of writing this comment I’m watching this on a 377/4 one of my favourite 377 subclasses so far I’m enjoying this trip report
This is what we need more of in Britain, simple efficient comfortable trains that offer great value for money, afterall it this philosophy of no frills, efficient equipment and attractive pricing that the low cost airlines have made such a success of.
Only if easyjet did a train seevice..... EasyRail
Even though 25% of my journeys on southern have been disrupted ive never had an issue with them, i believe there trains are up to my standard and i love riding there trains, and what the hell throw a delay or cancellation in there i dont care, spices up my journey
Oh it spices it up alr 👌
@@Transpennine sometimes a cancellation just makes my journey more fun
@@coastliner7009 same, depending on where you are, you can observe the railway station a bit better
@@coastliner7009 not for me especially when u get hourly service
This route was an old staple of mine both from when I moved back to Southampton after university and from the time in between when I commuted into London from Whyteleafe. The lack of advance tickets on (what was then) South West Trains unless you started at least as far west as Brockenhurst made this slower route all the more compelling. I think for a while at university I took the coach - especially as my rare trips to London were often late evening returns (vividly recall one in 2008 to see Millionaire recorded at Elstree - the Victoria line was rammed with stunned Arsenal fans after the famous 4-4 draw with Spurs, was genuinely the quietest crowded train I've ever been on!) - but usually I did this. Great memories.
The view from Arundel Castle is great.
i've got family who've recently moved to southampton and i spend my life permanently broke so knowing cheaper services run from victoria i might have to use those instead of the swr from waterloo - thanks for the enlightenment!!
Glad I can help, these fare are normally available on mid-day and early afternoon departures.
I prefer the "Southern" route into Victoria rather than the "SWR" into Waterloo as it is a much prettier route and often much cheaper as you have shown. I did however get an advance ticket - Portsmouth to Cambridge ---with SWR for £6.25 recently. The installation of power sockets will be a welcome addition.
Thank you for a very fair review. I like the 377s, and generally they ride well. Unfortunately, the Mid Sussex line from Horsham to Arundel and Ford on the West Coastway route, needs a substantial upgrade ! Hence the very rough ride ! The 377s are far superior to the SWR units for a long run also. Many thanks.
About half of GTR New Southern Railway's Class 377 Electric Multiple Units have 240 Volt, 3-Pin power sockets in the First Class seating area. There is also a 3-Pin socket in the circulation area by the sliding doors, marked "Not for Public Use", which provides stabilised 240 Volts power for use by the cleaners when the train is being serviced at a depot. I've occasionally used the latter sockets to re-charge my laptop computer batteries during the course of a journey without ever being reprimanded or told to desist by an On-Board Supervisor. At one time passengers travelling First Class with Southern between Barnham and Victoria were entitled to one free cup of tea or coffee per leg of journey but this perk stopped a long time ago. Now the only benefit of upgrading to First Class - which can be done for £5, irrespective of journey length, on Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays - is the antimacassar (NOT a "bib") on the headrest of your seat. What I like least about the Class 377's are the instruments of torture which masquerade as "arm rests". They are not padded, merely covered with a thin layer of fabric, and on a long journey become really uncomfortable. Southern is ahead of the game in one respect - each toilet has a unique numerical code and if you discover any deficiency (such as lack of water to flush the WC) you can send a text message to the depot so the problem can be addressed when the train reaches its destination. Incidentally, there is space to stow suitcases between the backs of the seats as well as in the sparsely-distributed luggage stacks. Congratulations on getting such excellent value for money with your advanced purchase, railcard-discounted travel ticket. There are bargains to be had if you know where to look for them, especially where two different Train Operating Companies are competing for business along the same transport corridor!
Thanks for the video. This was indeed great value for money, and I guess this is exceptional. Comfort seems to be reasonable, although doing this trip in a 3 + 2 configuration would be torture. I travelled between the two cities a lot when I was a student. I remember that the trains operating out of Waterloo bore some resemblance to the unit you showed but were quite a bit more comfortable.
Great video really enjoyed it.
Great to see a review of the train which I have travelled on the most in my life as I live in the southern network. I had forgotten the had such good seats (nowadays I keep ending up on Class 700s. Personaly I would normally ready and take the SWR Route to Southampton not because it is faster though it is partly because it is one of the few third rail lines in England to have a 100mph line speed but mainly because the Class 444 just feel like much nicer trains which are built for a fast long distance Route unlike the Class 377s.
The 444s ARE lovely aren't they! Video on them should be out soon-ish. :)
08:50 Ooohhh my local station!
The 2+2 seating with tables are to be found in the two outer end carriages in those 377 units configured that way, so avoid the middle two cars if you don't fancy riding in the 2+3 sections!! The newer 377's mainly now used on the London suburban routes on Southern, are 2+2 throughout, but less comfy (they don't usually venture onto the Victoria - Southampton/Portsmouth routes though) and have had phone charger sockets installed from new. I'm glad to hear the older batch units are having them installed now.
The sockets will definitely be appreciated on the longer trips!
@Ian McClavin That’s actually on 377 nos 140-162, /2s and /4s
Another superb value journey is off peak, from Marylebone to Birmingham Snow Hill. Advance with railcard from £4.20 each way. And you get to enjoy those superbly comfortable Chiltern coaches.
I'd take the GTR. Last time I went by train, it was the old slam-door type. I think Kent was the last to get rid of those.
WOO HOO! My local operator and train!
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What do you think of the 377s then, as a local?
@@SuperalbsTravels On my route class 455 runs but it’s a real treat on those lucky days when you see a class 377 pull up instead
This is why I love the Electrostars!
😁😁😁
First class head rest covers are called Antimacassars. A very common word 😃
That's right! 👍
That's not a common word🤣
Never been on a 377 so it was nice to see a video on what they are like. :)
Glad you enjoyed!
@@SuperalbsTravels I been on a 377 alot of times but that was when I was a little kid. I didn't even know what town i lived in until I found trainspotting videos at the station of Seaford
I always find there’s mixed feelings about these units but personally I love them. Just sometimes forget tho how old they are now
Not as old as their 313 units on their coastal routes. They date back to the 1970's. The early Electrostar were of course already dated when they entered service after spending years in secure sidings waiting for the power supply upgrade needed to operate them.
They're getting on now aren't they. A pretty good all-rounder unit to be honest.
These units are quite comfortable overall, but "first class" is always a con, paying out a fortune in higher fares - for nothing extra
@@Keithbarber your getting a headrest cover. How much extra do you want 😂
These are some of the better post privatisation units especially the end cars with 2+2 seating. They were not really much of an improvement on the class 421 they replaced, though.
Nice not to have OHLE.
Made the journey from Fareham to Victoria a few times. It takes a little longer than the Waterloo routes, but it's dirt cheap and if you're not in a hurry it's worth it.
I remember when southeastern were the first to showcase the first series of these abs run them. Obviously not this redesign but the original one.
I like London Victoria as a station, there is a lot of restaurants and stuff next to it. I also think that because it is so big that it doesn't get too crowded.
Its certainly one of my favourite London terminus stations for sure
The cheapest I can find this journey on SWR (with a 1/3 discount) is £6.05, which, for an hour quicker journey and the high chance of it being a class 444, is also very good value for money in my opinion.
True, the 444s are a lot nicer than the 377s, even if not as cheap!
@@SuperalbsTravels debatable
A very good video. Thank you. How to get cheap travel would be an interesting topic for a video. When is the best time to book? Are third party websires good to book through? Are good-value fares available to walk on passengers? etc I recently travelled with South Eastern Trains and found it to be good value for money and a good trip even though it was a boring emu!
This is first if your vids I've seen. Have subscribed. Enjoyed the entire way through. Am in Vancouver, so I travel vicariously through u tubers. Love most of the trips thru all of UK especially Scotland. Younger doing an excellent job of filming and getting necessary info across. Also appreciate not being talked at or down to. What is the origin of your handle Superalbs if you don't mind me asking?! Will be binging your other vids. Thanks for your hard work and safe travels in these weird times. I came over to your site on reccomondation from our friend Dylan.
I was going to comment how I used to work at near Victoria and would relax at the 'spoons' watching the ebb & flow of rush hour before heading to the 'stow'.
Or, how that when I visit London now, I.will usually stay at East Croydon as the hotel prices combined with connections to the city or West End are unbeatable in London.
But, instead I will comment on how the antimacassar's are probably to protect the seats from all the 1st Class Champagne quaffing!!!
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You were lucky to ride on 377107 as that unit is all 2+2 configuration throughout the train. 377 nos 101-119 all have 2+2 where as 377 nos 120-139 have 2+3, all of the 3 car 377s are 2+2 and the rest of the other older variants is 50/50
If you look a bit closet there are plug sockets in first class on the 377s. The 377/6 and 377/7 have plug sockets in standard and first class.
Great video! I like all the electrostars but I would say 375s are my favourite because most of them have 2+2 seating throughout and they have lovely soothing colour scheme. I am a fan of the 377s as well though.
Fair enough, I do like the blues of a 375!
375/9 has 3+2
,@@SuperalbsTravels, do you like blue 377s like in this video?
Ah, I remember them from the FCC days. Always fun not knowing what would turn up in the TL core. :)
@@SuperalbsTravels I have only managed to catch an FCC/TL 377/2 a couple of times.
In May, I am supposed to be going to Wembley Arena for a concert on Saturday. I have booked up at the Travelodge at Wembley Central over night, so I had thought of catching a 377/2 Southern service to Clapham Junction before heading back to Victoria. The way to do this is probably get an advance Southeastern Weekender ticket for London Terminals ticket then use contactless to get to and from Wembley Central.
Hello, loving the name of these southern they are really fast way to travel in Britain
Reviewing your review from NZ :-)....I recently spent 4 years sing the Wairarapa Line, that runs for +- 100 km from Wellington, through the 8.3km tunnel in "the hills" and up to Masterton. It uses the best Mk of 1972+- Mk 2 BR carriages, regauged and with brand new moquette in the last 15 months.
Cost,, full fare ( thank God my Gold Card made it free) is about.. 11.50 Pounds ,, for 100km / 62 miles. Average speed 60km/h top speed very briefly about 91 :-)) But the trip is pleasant enough --comfortable seating..excellent lighting with those little reading lights, too, and a power point for every passenger.
Loved it.
I'd love to try that out, it sounds really interesting!
What gauge is it there?
@@SuperalbsTravels 3ft 6in
Looks like I need to book advance tickets from now on. What service did you use to purchase them?
Just booked them online about a week in advance of travel, they are available from any online booking service, including southernrailway.com!
That was a really good deal for the price. I wpuld still prefer to get to Southampton quicker from Waterloo. Also for a 2 1/2 hour journey, it would be nice to have a trolley service for coffee, etc
Wow it was running on time and with no strikes
Thankfully, in fact it arrived early! :)
Southern is in the middle for me now.
@@millercool21 that is only because they can't have union strikes if they cancel the trains first
You Were Travelling On A Class 377/4 With 4 Coaches.
There Are Class 377/1s, 377/2s With 4 Coaches For Southern And Class 377/3 With 3 Coaches For Southern. There Are 377/5s For Southeastern With 4 Coaches. Then There Is The Southern 377/6 & 377/7 Whitch Is New And Have The Ironing Board Seats
They increased the base price from £3.3 to £3.6 now.
Still excellent value though - it costs about the same as a zone 1 to Amersham trip
Btw This value is also valid for several more destinations like Hastings and Portsmouth as well.
That's still a bargain, probably one of the best value tickets in the UK!
I've heard that same driver back in the day requesting the OBS contact the driver, usually on the Southern to Tonbridge between East Croydon and Redhill.
Nice trip report yes most of the suburban rail network in London is located in the southern areas of city which is great good links into the centre of London but also south east region. Anyway I am glad to hear the 377s are getting refurbished some of the older units have worn out seating so hopefully the refurbishment will include new seats and I am glad it will have charging ports which is essential in modern times where people use there devices everywhere, as for what if rather use I would much rather use southern instead of SWR
Thank you, that refurb will be nice. :D
@@SuperalbsTravels yes hopefully it still uses the yellow green interior
Very good thank you great quality 🤗
I see you managed to find a Southeastern (ex Thameslink) 377 in the station. You can tell as they have the cameras down the side of each carriage. 375s don't.
Yep, they also have slightly different colour headlight surrounds, different colour livery, and different colour roof. Oh, and the green ex-FCC Southern spec interior. ;)
@@SuperalbsTravels I have noticed the 377s in blue have a slightly purple tint compared to the 375s. A while ago, I saw on TH-cam that Geoff Marshall used an early morning parliamentary service to Maidstone East. This actually stops at Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street before heading via Denmark Hill to Maidstone. He commented on how the seats were in Southern green, but I don't think he cottoned on about this unit being ex FCC/TL.
These trains are really nice! I agree I hate the 2+3 arrangement because it is very space inefficient especially during rush hour
Yeah, the 2+2 carriages are better, you agree?
@@SuperalbsTravels definitely agree.
@@SuperalbsTravels well u know what would be the best for rush hour. 2 + 0 or no seats at all like the stupid Stanstead airport metro gadget bahn thing
@@SuperalbsTravelsthe 377s with the 2+2 seating are the best
Depends how much more the swr advance fares are, and what I'm traveling for. And are these advance fares available at short notice
Swr keeps getting cancelled to be honest waste of time relaying on them
In theory yeah you can get them at short notice. Advanced tickets are released as batches so only a finite amount of each price are released and tend to be brought up well before the day of travel
That station looks fabulous and great video. 👌
Victoria is a really nice station - at least the concourse is. The platforms are a bit dank, but still, I like it overall.
11:32 did you cross that bridge going over the M27
And Southampton Central could do with a rebuild
Wow that just brought back some old memories of my commuter days from Pulborough, not all good. The scenery on that line between Horsham and Arundel is beautiful, particularly southbound when you come up to the "wall" of the south downs approaching Amberley. Let's see if the 2+2 seating survives the refurbishment. I see you were in 107 which was in the first batch of 20 that was delivered with 2+2 throughout. Were non-driving cars still the same or have they standardized the fleet with 2+3 in all the trailer cars?
I actually travelled in a centre car, and it was 2+2 as shown in the video. :)
@@SuperalbsTravels Glad to hear it. They were threatening to change everything to 2+3 except first class around the time I stopped commuting (2008) except they dressed it up as a "capacity increase". Given that the trains were already 12 cars there was only one way to do that.
376 👍🏻s on this video ... come on, we need one more!
Nice video...is this really a commuter route or a suburban intercity?
You should try a true commuter route here in the US, such as New York Grand Central to New Haven or a trip on New Jersey Transit. The trains are more reliable, which is important, but they are far less comfortable and have fewer amenities.
It's a commuter/regional train really. Definitely not Intercity!
Would love to visit American rails one day...
@@SuperalbsTravels - London and Southampton (not to mention Chichester) are both cities so arguably this is a commuter train serving an inter-city market! When Connex SouthCentral ordered the Class 377 Electrostar EMU's it had intentions of becoming a Standard-Class Only operator (like Chiltern Railways) where on-board ticket checks could be dispensed with in favour of installing gates at every station. We live with this legacy today, in that half of the Class 377 fleet have no 240 Volt power sockets in a First Class seating area which is indistinguishable from its Standard (Class) counterpart!
@@SuperalbsTravels Well from what I heard you only get trains once a day and only at peak
Grosvenor Road shed is only used by Southeastern, Pugs Hole Sidings is the one used by GTR / Southern - hope this helps :)
Ahh, fair enough then!
Having travelled to Southampton multiple times, via this route, SWR AND on the National express coaches, I'd personally have to say it all depends on if you can get a good deal. The Southern service was an enjoyable ride, and was cheap (admittedly I travelled on this leg using a Southern Daysave the last time I travelled), and I also believe that SWR is good for people who need to get there quickly, however in terms of comfort on the Rails, it would have to Go to Southern *if* you can get a good deal
Overall though, out of Southern and National Express, I would have to choose the coach. The journey time can actually be shaved by about 20 minutes on the coach, and is also relatively cheap and good value when compared with the train. A one way journey from Victoria Coach Station to Southampton cost me £6 and that came with the added extra of seat reservation, and you can get the extra legroom seats which would have more legroom than an electrostar could ever have for about 2 pounds extra. I've seen seats go on the route for as low as £3 before without the need for any discount, which is outstanding value for money considering it stops off at places en route and takes about the same time.
Interesting to hear from a local, thanks!
Not quite a local, mainly use it to see family but still happy to give my knowledge out :)
A Gautrain Video would be cool i have been on one before when I used to live in South Africa
That sounds nice! What were they like?
@@SuperalbsTravels They sound like NS SLT trains
@@thegoaheadmpire7825 Interesting, I have used those a bit!
@@SuperalbsTravels Mhm, they sound exactly the same as SLT's but have a electrostar like interior and doors because it's all made by Bombardier
Lovely video! Although I'd always go with SWR 🙂
I’d take Southern, partly because of my (quite irrational) loyalty to the South Central/Eastern sections 😉
Lots of division in the comments I see! 😉
Great video 👏
Can you do a 444 soon? 🙏😊
Recorded, edited, and scheduled for December!
YAYYY!!!!!
class 442 when
Well if they stopped lying around being broken and entered service, then that would be a start. 😉
Im assuming you didn't get steve copley as your driver 😕
I'm not sure. How would I know?
Great vid, the thumbs on your channel are ace 👍 What are you shooting on?
How come you call it GTR? Its called just "southern". I understand its owned by GTR but they don't call it GTR southern
Southern is a brand of GTR, so the company is GTR
@@toml4511 but this particular operator is known as Southern
@@dave1001 1:55 In the video. The operator is GTR, under Southern branding. If you call it southern I obviously know what you mean , but they are not the operator.
Hello. The operator is Govia Thameslink Railway, and Southern Railway Ltd hasn't operated any trains for about five years.
They use different brand names to charge people extra money, which isn't permitted by the contract. As such, I refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of these names, and just refer to them as GTR.
@@SuperalbsTravels bee in bonnet 🐝😂
Personally the suspension is annoying at times but I like it at the same time hopefully one day I can experience how bouncy the ride on a pacer is
Zurich Hbf has the most trains per day in Europe and, possibly, the world. Arundel Castle was indeed originally built in the 11th Century but was restored and remodelled as recently as 1900 so what you see now is a bit of a pastiche.
Interesting!
Southern service to Southampton might be the cheapest but its the longest route on the southern network.
Yeah, those fares are available for most routes too. :)
the whole area at the Selhurst flyover is going to be redesigned apparently
8:01 I SUBBED!!!
Thank you! 🥳🥳🥳
Tbh id rather take SWR the time between SWR's and GTR's is quite dramatic and I don't mind paying extra for SWR
Fair enough, I also slightly prefer the SW stock myself...
On that image of the 2+3 seating, how is there a Javelin at the window???
Hi, that was taken a few years prior, in London! 😁
I'm certainly not averse to taking a slower service if it saves money. Or even taking the coach if I can't get a cheap rail fare. Half an hour spent online checking prices and routes a week or two in advance of travel in the UK can really save you a lot of money.
Interesting to watch, only time I did a train journey to Southampton and Portsmouth was during Network Southeast days when they did a special offer £5.00p ticket for unlimited travel on the network. Regarding ticket prices being a breach of the regulations, thought all pricing has to be approved so is the national body breaching it's own rules if given approval for those prices or is the company risking being fined for breaching the regulations if not got approval ?. Will be interesting to see what the refurbished units are like when introduced to service.
Wow, that's an insane bargain, could cross the country for £5 basically! :)
@@SuperalbsTravels Good offer was same day return any distance and lines within Southeast network.
Outstanding! I mean this is good value, but that's even better. Reminds me of the old South West Trains deals, £3 day return to any two stations on their network. That was the child fare though...
Why am I even watching this considering I take these trains so frequently??
Because it's FUN! 😃
You should test the Southeast local train
Nice video btw
When date was this taken
I thought it was night when departing the station😂
Hey, man!! How's it going??
Wow, over 100 miles between London Victoria and Southampton for a cheapest fare? Interesting a lot, but you have bought the ticket far in advance, haven't you?! And the Class 377 looks like quite comfortable, despite the suspension is not so good as it should be...
6:16 - Someone was speaking in Galician (from Galicia, Santiago de Compostela, Vigo, Ferrol region) inside the train. I really appreciate it because I am Brazilian and have understood which things the person was saying perfectly... LOL
I really hope one day Brazil with large passengers railway system, such as 30 years ago...
Nice video!! Cheers from São Paulo, Brazil.
Thank you! I actually bought the ticket just over a week in advance, so not too far ahead.
Awesome that you understood them, wish I was multilingual. Anything interesting they were saying? :)
@@SuperalbsTravels yes, bit time in advance, and an awesome fare! I really like it!!
Oh, Galician and Portuguese are parental languages, both of ones are from Latin Language, so I get it practically 80% of a conversation in Galician. It was a woman talking with a man next to her and on a phone. Nothing interesting, sometimes she spoke Galician, sometimes Spanish and English, first on a call asking for a moment, after informing some number document (passport, or ticket number, I guess).
My native language is "Brazilian Portuguese" (some people guess that Brazilians speak Spanish, but we speak Portuguese as a native language), and I am beginning on the multilingual journey, reaching the fluency first of all in English (I am suffering on this language journey, but I'm going to get it), after I will begin Czech and Spanish...
I am looking forward for the next trip video!! All of the best for you! Stay safe!
Cheers!
Just watched a video of the South African version of the Electrostar: the seats look about as well (not) padded as those on our class 800/801/802......
If Gatwick Airport is the 2nd most disliked station, what is 1st?
That goes to Glasgow Queen Street, although that has now been refurbished.
I would use swr as I normally am travelling beyond Southampton towards Bournemouth and is direct from Waterloo
Ah, that makes sense if you are continuing along the coast!
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7:33 So what's the 1st least popular???
Glasgow Queen Street
Maybe Plug Sockets Are Not Used Because This Was Built In 2004 And In 2004 They Didn't Want Plug Sockets To Be On Trains. 377/4s Have Been Referbished. And I Think They Have Plug Sockets
10:28 There was a User worked crossing
At 6:04 seems you passed my local station see if you can find it…
You should off filmed a bus leaving as the Outro
I have often wondered why a button has to be pushed to open the door. I would think they would be already open in the station
Yeah, especially the terminus!
Because the sliding access doors have to be closed for the air conditioning to work correctly!
They close automatically after around 30 seconds if nobody has gone through them. It helps maintain the temperature inside the carriage (and stops the floor inside the doors getting wet if it's raining)
Good train
On the whole, yeah!
I would usually take the SWR compared to southern. Been using southern for 14 years straight, and the quality of them is no where as good as SWR.
Price isn’t an issue but I don’t want to be sitting an extra hour. Not my type of ride
How is it that it says "Southeastern is the same parent company as southern" (did say that but differently) when at 2:02 it doesn't say southeastern.
Southern, Thameslink, Gatwick Express and Great Northern don't really exist, they are simply names used by Govia Thameslink Railway, which is owned by Govia, which runs the TSGN franchise. Southeastern is another company owned by Govia, which runs the Integrated Kent franchise and is not part of GTR.
Southeastern And GTR are Both Owned By Govia, Which in Turn Are Owned By the Go Ahead Group
Hi there, it's really confusing.
Basically there are two train companies operated in the UK by Govia. These are Govia Thameslink Railway Ltd, and London Southeastern Railway Ltd.
The former is responsible for services branded as Southern, Gatwick Express, Great Northern, and Thameslink, which are not seperate companies. Southeastern is a seperate company, owned and operated by Govia, but not part of Govia Thameslink Railway.
Hope you understand! :)
Great value, like the sights aswell, pity you can't talk as you go rather than having to keep reading lol
There's quite a lot to see out of the train windows on a rail journey from London to Southampton, apart from Arundel Castle, and the long tunnels under the North Downs at Merstham are surely deserving of a mention!
It is a bargain! Thanks for watching.
@@KempSimon To say nothing of the beautiful countryside between Three Bridges and Arundel. My late father used to commute to London from Arundel in the late 1950s/early 1960s, and he would never pick up his morning paper until after the train got to Pulborough as he so enjoyed the scenery between Arundel and Pulborough, and I can quite see why!
@@AnnabelSmyth You can get a good view of the Open Air Industrial Museum at Houghton Bridge, near Amberley Station, out of the train window. Provided, of course, that the exterior of the train has been washed recently!
@@KempSimon It was not, of course, a museum in the late 1950s when my father commuted! It is a lovely place to visit, though - maybe when this pandemic is over we will go again.
I’ve been in one of these
Were there toilets available on this train? Didn’t see you mention it in the video.
Class 377s Are Better Than Horrible Ironing Board Seats On Thameslink 700s
Fun Fact! the 377/4s Have Plug Sockets In First Class
Good to know, there are so many variants I can hardly keep up.
So do the /5’s with Southeastern (like at 1:11), and if I remember correctly one end of them actually isn’t classified as first class (as they weren’t on TL) - so you could get all the benefits of a first class ticket for the price of Standard, if you’re lucky!
I think all 377s have plug sockets in first class
@@millercool21 The /1s /2s And /3s Defiantly Do not Have them. As Someone Who Travels On them Almost Every day
@@levichalcraft8702 ok i must of misread the numbers on the 377
How was your tick so cheep
That's just how much it costs on the mid-day trains.
If SWR is using 444 to Southampton that would be better than a 377 as it is aim for service to longer journey like Portsmouth harbor and i will pay more for better train tbh
You can’t find this, because this is in Britain
Gatwick Express is a waste of money.
New announcer at Victoria has replaced anne
Someone said it was the slowest train in the UK, but they’re lying😅
Fantastic value, crappy reputation.
Yeah, and nowadays I think it's undeserved. Very happy with the service.
These Are Better Than Class 700s And 800s 800s Are Not As Uncomfortable Than Thameslink Class 700 Desiro Citys