Peter losing his powers in Spider-Man 2 was explained low key though, reason he loses his powers is because of his struggles in life, and because of that he didn't want to be Spider-Man anymore, he hated it. As a matter of fact, this TH-camr explained it best, take a look th-cam.com/video/1QMXBXDISUs/w-d-xo.html
Marvel didn't work on any of the spider-man films it was Sony Sony owns the movie and live action and video game rights while marvel and Disney only own the merchandise and animated cartoons
Tobey’s Spider-Man lost his powers because the stress. MJ wants to be with him but and he wants to be with her, but he’s too busy being Spider-Man. Harry hates Spider-Man because he thinks he killed his father, and he’s upset with peter because he takes Spider-Man’s pictures and he won’t turn him in. Then J Jonnah Jameson is destroying Spider-Man’s career, Peter’s failing his classes, him and aunt May are both having money troubles, and on top of all of that his idol is planning on destroying New York.
I'm so sick of people not understanding Mary Jane's character or motivations in the Rami films. It wasn't that she was a tease or took pleasure out of treating Peter like crap. He'd just rejected her (unintentionally) in the first film (for her protection) after she told him she loved him. She was in so much pain after that and his lack of honesty or explanation only made her frustration and anger at Peter more apparent. And it tore her apart because she was still madly in love with him but was trying to move on in another relationship which she wasn't completely commited to. Did this guy even bother to watch the extended cut? It goes deeper on that when her friend asks her if she is in love with John enough to marry him. The wedding scene was just ridiculous. Rami should have had her call it off before they got to the alter I'll agree on that. But he wanted to shoot MJ running through the streets in a wedding dress. And the purpose of the scene was to keep the audience in suspense. Will MJ let go of Peter and move on with John? Or will she risk danger to stand beside Peter? I'll tell you this, as unfair as it was to leave him standing there she did him a favor. If he'd married her, she would've still been pining over another guy. It would've ended up being a loveless marriage. And John had to have known deep down before hand that MJ was in love with someone else. Anyway I just wanted to add more of my take on that.
AlwaysLookCool 729 you say that like the chemistry between Gwen and peter was shit, it was the only best thing about the franchise, the relationship felt genuine and you could see how much they loved each other, so saying that would never happen, it all depends on the story which would have gone nowhere
@AlwaysLookCool 729 Not so sure about that. One of the actors even said on an interview that Sony wanted to introduce some kind of an elixir to help peter revive gwen and her father.
@@antoniodarcy7913 As a subscriber who's been with this channel for quite some time and has watched every VS video he's made so far, I agree with you. yes he is more of a comic book fan.
Antonio Darcy But since when did Peter’s powers ever have anything to do with his mental and emotional state?? His powers give him physical enhancements. It’s source isn’t mental or emotional. And besides, if peter made web shooters like in the comics, he would’ve still been able to be Spider-Man in a very small way
Keyser Soeze Idk it just doesn’t feel right with me, I mean I’d understand if he was a bit lacky with his performance as Spider-Man like maybe when he saves people, he doesn’t get the job done as well as usual, but losing his powers completely and then just having it come back all of a sudden when he goes in to kiss MJ, I struggle to believe that. It’s an amazing movie overall though
The reason peter’s powers start to go is because of his emotions. He only loses his powers after extreme emotional stress. Like his aunt being turned down on a loan. His best friend hating him and the girl of his dreams getting married in the same night. And him missing MJ’s play because of Spider-Man. He starts to reject this identity and as such subconsciously rejecting his powers.
I got to correct you on something about Spiderman 2 because you clearly didn't pay attention. It wasn't that Peter was losing his powers, the emotional weight he was carrying around being commited to Spiderman was becoming detrimental. It was affecting his personal life and all his relationships with his friends and family. And it caused him so much turmoil that it was ultimately affecting his ability to be Spiderman. Peter was taking on so much responsibility that it threw him off balance and he became sick. Sick in the mind, body and soul. This movie was about finding that balance between Peter and Spiderman. In the first film he decided to completely commit to being just Spiderman and sacrifice Peter Parker. But that decision almost destroyed him as we saw in the 2nd film. By the end of Spiderman 2 he finds that balance especially when Mary Jane fully commits to sharing those risks with him. She decided to share that load with Peter so he's not carrying it alone. His powers returned upon realizing that his loved ones were in danger. And if he'd just quit they'd be in even more danger than not having them in his life (which is what he thought was best in the first movie). Peter wasn't losing his powers it was a mental condition. The scene where he goes to the doctor was very self explanatory. By the end of Spiderman 2 Peter realizes he's not just a superhero he's also human.
In Spider-Man 2 he was clearly losing powers because of the stress and troubles due to his double life, note how after a bad day (him missing MJ's play) his powers fail for the first time. It was clearly explained.
@@dessanane3861 No, he lost his powers before when he missed MJ's play and got depressed about it, that led to more traumatic events which made him lose all his powers.
@@Grandmaster_Dragonborn also, the event where they celebrated JJJ's astronaut son. which was probably the worst day of his lfie, second to Uncle Ben's death. The love of his life got engaged to the son of the man who trashes his public name. Harry, his best friend bitch slaps him for taking pictures for the man who he thinks killed his father. After that day, he had his realization that he didn't want to be Spider-Man anymore.
@@Grandmaster_Dragonborn Sure but the movies never established that his powers were tied to his stress or how he's feeling in a moment, so it's something that could have been better established in the first or second film 🤔.
@@Darien4Real guess I was exaggerating a bit and overstating it cause it's my favorite out of the three. But it really doesn't have that many flaws and some of them i could look past by.
I used to dislike MJ from the Raimi movies because I thought she was a tease too, but honestly look at the character of Peter and what he puts her through. He makes her feel loved and special in the first movie. She's been verbally beaten down by a dad who treats her like crap, Harry has a very shallow relationship with her where he doesn't even stand up for her when his father calls her a golddigger, and the ONLY person who is there for her is Peter. She is ready to be with him and love him in the first movie's ending; but Peter inexplicably rejects her and she has no idea why. She'd been toyed with before and she needs to find someone who won't and John Jameson in SM2 is a wonderful boyfriend to her... she just can't get over Peter even though she tries. She ends off the movie choosing to stay with Peter because she understands why he did what he did and she loves him for his self-sacrificing love and what a hero he is. After really thinking about MJ she's not such a bad character at all, she's a realistic person trying to navigate a difficult relationship.
I agree with all of this except for the fact that she left John Jameson at the altar. There's really no excuse for that, especially since he was a genuinely good guy who actually cared for her. Like the video said, at least give him a heads-up in person instead of bailing on him the day of the wedding with nothing more than a note.
@@giulianoavella4978 she just found out that the man that she had feelings for not only loves her, but has been her guardian angel keeping her well and alive this whole time and its better john deal with it now than later that shes in love with someone else
Her actions are still immature, and it's only realistic because there are people who are that shitty in real life. There was no reason to treat her fiancee that way. Yes there is an explanation for why she acts the way she does, but that doesn't mean her actions can be excused or that she's mature enough for a relationship
2004 - Spider-Man Fighting a Mentor who got brain washed by his technology 2014 - Spider-Man Fighting His childhood friend and an innocent guy who mistakenly became electro and got rejected by society 2019 - Spider-Man Fighting Drones and Hologram Technology 😂
Divyash Kumar Sherwal 2004 Spider-Man sounds cool, 2014 Spider-Man sounds sad since, you know, fighting a friend and a reject of society, and 2019 Spider-Man sounds generic.
Man, I agree with a lot of points, but when you talk about Mary Jane, you just so wrong, I mean, try to watch the movie again, but from her point of view
7:40 He lost his powers because he couldn't confess his love to Mary Jane, and that, along with his other problems, built up stress. This is explained by Dr. Octavius, or at least that is what I remember.
Sadly they won't come back till SW... I hate Jon Watts for these movies but Feige even more for letting it happen especially because he was involved in the best of them all and because his favorite Spidey moment from the comics got destroyed by these movies.
@@abraham7018 Knowing the Formula -_- we sadly won't get that. They have to take risks by killing someone this time either it's May or Michelle but his enemies don't even know Michelle, so it's May who's going to die as a consequence.
Tobey’s Spidey started losing his powers due to all of the stress mounting up and keeping his love for MJ stored inside, it was explained in the movie, remember the line said by Otto “if you keep something as complicated as love stored up inside, it can make you sick”
@@TheCorkingCork Spectacular Spider-Man characterizes Peter better, but the PS4 game definitely has a better tone and atmosphere since it isn't a kids cartoon.
@@TheCorkingCork The PS4 Spider-Man is pretty much all 3 film incarnations of the character combined. He has girl trouble like Tom Holland's Spidey, the agility and funny personality of Andrew Garfield, and the real world problems of Tobey Macguire's.
You see the thing is , if someone replaced tony eg Osborn or the first antman movie villian , so it would still just be a person the villian Hayes so stop your complaining
I love how you strongly recognize the many problems MCU spiderman has, specially since nowadays a lot of people seem to treat it as the perfect franchise, and its really far from that
It’s simple. The amazing spider man had constant meddling from Sony studios, and far from home was treated as just another two hour long episode in the MCU. Spider man 2 actually felt like something special. It was done with a clear vision, and with passion. THAT is why it will stand the test of time and that is why 20-30 years from now we can fondly look back and say yeah.. still an absolute classic
The thing that makes Spider-Man 2 the best is that it’s a regular 2000s drama masquerading as a superhero film. You can take out all action scenes and still have a beautiful movie
I think you don't use a lot of context in the Mary Jane character issue. I think you don't regard that the face touching is all after Peter himself plays similarly in Spider-Man 1, where he and her are holding hands, he gives that big speech to her and shuts her down at the end of the movie when she kisses him and says she loves him. Isn't it possible that MJ telling Peter she's dating something that's more than companionship is her trying to get him realize she's not going to wait around for him? I think that's what that means. And I think you don't regard that MJ has already told Peter she has feelings for him and he shut her down in SM 1. Should she just reiterate that to someone whose rejected her and as far as I think he's basically said, only has friendship to give? I think she's not sure about the choice she wants to make in that situation, as on paper John is a better match for her than Peter in his stressful, dangerous life and by looking down barrel of the gun that is the isle she chooses then. But if she were to tell John in person would that make him really feel better? It's not great for him, but does it villainize her for choosing how she did it? And I think you're making assumptions about how the John character feels in situations and operates. Why do you think she uses him to get to Peter? I don't think the movie depicts that for the most part. I think she's committed in staying with the man who she thinks on paper is best for her. It's not necessarily healthy, but using him to get to Peter isn't what I think the movie is developing. No, to call Peter a saint in comparison to MJ is untrue. Peter is still the person I think trying to ask out an engaged woman, still the person who tries to woo her with poetry after disappointing her and telling her all he had give her was being her friend. From MJ's perspective I think it's a reasonable perception that Peter complicates things and is emotionally jerking her around. And even in regards to things MJ may not know about at that point. Like Peter kissing his friend's girlfriend. Or in Spider-Man 3 putting on the black suit, knowing what it can do. And even in comparison to other villains. Eddie is still more outright villainous before he gets the suit and Flint is a criminal before too. I don't think Gwen is the superior love interest. Why would she be? I think she's not as much of a character as Mary Jane. I think Gwen has little emotional roundedness and character development, and that her character is there mainly to service Peter, while she herself in character aspects doesn't have a lot going on. Even the likable remark I don't think applies, considering her disregard for her dad's dying wish and uncaring attitude about him at all in that movie. Even her helping I think is more plot based.
@@Rscreen A film doesn't always need to spoon feed you information. I'm pretty sure they knew what they were doing when they made him lose his powers. It was at the lowest point of his life when everything went wrong and he lost his powers.
I knew that Mysterio was a villain, but the twist still surprised me because I thought they were doing what they did in Iron Man 3 where they changed the character from the comics.
I don't understand how people still are confused about how Peter lost his powers in SM2, no shade intended but it was clear to me as a 9 year old when I first saw it. There's a line about "keeping it all bottled up inside can make you sick" and it's something that completely makes sense to me as an adult where my emotions getting in the way have hampered my performance in other areas of life. It's personifying Peter's stress in life and his heart being elsewhere in Peter's powers waning and it's as simple as that- which is why to me it's so effective.
@@itsmejohncarrera9021 so did the raimi movies that you raimi fan boys claim are perfect and Spiderman 3 is the worst despite all of them being the same movie
@@raidoukuzonoha883 Spider man 3 was not perfect neither are the rest but even spider man 3 was better than amazing spider man movies so we're not saying it's perfect but since the other movies are new we expect more
Peter did face a major consequence in homecoming. He chose to ditch liz at the dance and face her dad instead then she ended up moving away and he lost the girl.
Oh, and there's also something else I forgot to mention, and it's about Electro's motivation, because I think you might've missed something about it. Max Dillon wasn't just a nerd - he was shown to be someone who's underappreciated and pushed around a lot. And, as seen in the brief fantasy that he has of berating his boss, he's got a *lot* of anger pent up inside him as a result. When Spiderman saved him, he felt appreciated, which is what I think made him such a big fan of Spiderman: because he felt like Spiderman was his only friend, the only person who he could trust. When Max became Electro, I think the electricity fried his brain and made him go insane. And, being insane, he lost control of his mind, so all of the anger that he had built up inside him was all primed to be unleashed. He saw himself garnering attention from the city, but then Spiderman took the spotlight, and that would've made his mind just COMPLETELY lose it, but he still partly saw Spiderman as a friend, which is why Electro was surprisingly reserved when talking to Spiderman in the streets. But once the sniper up on the roof shot Electro, his insane mind saw it as Spiderman setting him up so that he could be killed, which is why he then called Spiderman a liar. Electro then felt like he couldn't trust anyone anymore, and he finally let loose all of his rage and emotions towards everyone for treating him like crap all the time when he was Max. Although he mainly directed his rage at Spiderman, because, y'know... Electro's a villain and all. But yeah, that villainous motivation of his is something that I pieced together from my first viewing of the movie, and it looked like you might've missed that in this video, so I'm just pointing it out here for you.
@@Terrifyger Yes, actually, I can. Takes about 2 seconds to explain why Electro suddenly turned to villainy. Not that difficult. That's actually the least difficult thing to pull off in a movie that's full of subplots.
7:39 peter losing his powers actually makes sense its just told very subtle to the point that no one notices it, it's mention in the scene where peter and Otto are having dinner together and Otto says - if you keep something a complicated as love stored up inside it can make you sick. Since peter never really told mj how he felt about her in the first movie going into the second and finding out that mj is getting married he keeps bottling his feelings for mj to the point where it made him sick resulting to him losing his powers and he doesn't gain his powers back until he tells mj his feelings for her.
Mary Jane isn’t being manipulative. She’s trying to get peter to open up because she genuinely wants to know if peter truly loves her or not. Yes, using other guys as a way for him to do so is pretty extreme but you can’t forget that in MaryJane’s perspective, peter is being the tease and is being rough towards her. There are times where he says he loves and cares for her and he obviously shows it but then there are other times where peter says they can’t be together and they can only be friends. This is obviously due to Peter’s double life as Spider-Man but Mary Jane doesn’t know this and she perceives it as peter playing with her emotions. I’m not saying Mary Jane is the best person in the world but to brush it off as her being manipulative and being a bad human being is kinda inconsiderate.
Aamir Austin it’s because people always expect characters like MJ to act accordingly or in a specific way. The some people don’t take into consideration that everyone has their own perspectives and experiences. Like I said, I’m not claiming MJ is a pure hearted angel but she isn’t an evil manipulative person that everyone makes her out to be. Take aunt May for Instance, people called her a bad version of aunt May just because she doesn’t instantly forgive peter when he confesses about indirectly letting uncle Ben die. People expect aunt May to be instantly loving and forgiving but when she walks away looking shocked and upset, people call her a bad person. No one would take that kind of revelation any where as well as aunt May did.
@@d4_yep37 I know and completely understand, Mary Jane is not a saint but she is still a good person, she's a flawed individual just like everybody else and the fact that she has a character with arcs and motivations unlike Gwen Stacy and Zendaya's MJ, it makes her better than both of them, it really sucks that people don't see that. Also I agree on Aunt May, her reaction after Peter told her the truth about Uncle Ben's death is a very human and realistic reaction, any human would reaction that way if they were told something like that and she did forgive him in the backyard scene and was proud of him that he told her the truth, Rosemary Harris is the best Aunt May.
She is plus he's clearly bias the raimi movies suck except for the original that one's ok but the other two are crap and the mark Webb movies suck also
I don't think a lot of people understood MJ in Sam Raimis Spiderman. She has a lot of baggage to deal with, her terrible upbringing, her horrible father and her parents terrible marriage all that stuff affects children growing up. She takes that emotional trauma through with her into adulthood. I don't think she was being a tease in Spiderman 2. Peter was the only man who ever made her feel loved and special and who actually saw her for who she is. Her dad doesnt give a crap about her, flash used her as a trophy and so did Harry. So Peter rejecting her despite her knowing that he feels the same for her would have been a huge blow. She tries to replace him with Jameson but she loves Peter and it is very hard to stop loving someone even when they hurt you. Yes, her actions did come across as manipulative and selfish at times but we have to remember, in fact we saw in Spiderman, her terrible upbringing which definitely would affect how she deals with relationships. I feel people are too harsh on MJ. She's a very complex character and I THOUGHT Raimi knew this and tried to show it. I actually understand and sympathise with MJ more now than I've grown myself and been in relationships than I did when I was a kid. She's been starved for love all her life and Peter gave it to her then took it away. You don't think that would hurt and really affect someone who had such a crap childhood starved of affection from her father?
Yup I am a big Fan of The Amazing Spider-Man 1 but the second one is ... is ... is a lot of things but I adore the Raimi movies all three of them to be exact
He’s not really dumb in ffh though. He just met this hero figure who ‘sacrificed’ himself for a planet not his own. Sure he might’ve met him just a few days prior, but after seeing that, I feel like Peters trust in Beck would be high enough to entrust him with Edith
You should watch cinemawins everything great about spiderman 2. In the movie Dr. Octavius says "Love should never be a secret. If you keep something as complicated as love stored up inside, it could make you sick". Spiderman 2 is honestly a work of art in a way, even if it is campy
I understand the bit about Far From Home being less of a character study and more of a high schooler comedy, but I don’t know about the emotional portion only being in one scene. I noticed that there were other nods to it throughout the movie. During the charity(?) event where he has the Iron Spider suit, he panics and leaves to be alone. During the trip to Europe, there are multiple nods pointed out in front of him (the plane documentary, the murals), his screwups with using Stark tech (nearly killing Brad with the glasses, but #fuckyoubrad). I at least thought it was handled fine. That’s just my opinion. Judge as you will
No. If they focused on it, they would be able to have him heal and move past from his Iron Man JR status by accomplishing his goal HIS way. No tech, no Stark Backup, just him. Before one can move on, they must face their problem head on.
Tom holland's spidey did have a logical reason to give Beck the glasses though. Peter thought Beck was a partner of Nick Fury so you'd think it would be safe to assume he was a legitimate hero. Also Fury's yelling and everything around him made him believe he wasn't responsible enough to have the glasses so he wanted to give that responsibility to someone he thought was more capable to handle it.
whats funny is he says that giving a guy he's only known for a few days the glasses is dumb but still expects a more emotional response from Peter when he confronts Beck about the betrayal when he literally only knew him for a few days. the PS4 Peter and Oct emotion stuff is not a fair comparison because you know they were partners for a long time.
@Erik Kemeey Crazy how many people have the same opinion as me, and many people have the same opinion as you🤔. So what does that leave us with? Let's just agree to disagree since I don't think you can have an actual debate about anything since the first thing to say is that I'm a troll.
As a kid, I loved spider man 2 and 1 and even three. Spider-Man 2 was the perfect blend of drama, action, and even comedy. It was very funny at some points and dived so deeply into Peter’s character that by the end, we really feel like Peter is US. I didn’t like far from home. It didn’t try to be anything but a big action blockbuster. The action was really good, and it actually could be funny at some points, yet it just was standard and by the numbers. Of course, Spider-Man 2 had good action and good acting. That is everything positive I have to say about it. Spider-Man 2 is the only logical choice. Anyone who questions that has mental issues
In FFH Peter can grieve without being emotionally drained. He doesnt need to mope hours of the movie just because Tony died.. Its like life in a way, yeah someone died, but things still happen, people still have responsibilities. Life still moves on...
But how the movie did it was SOO bad....its just a highschool comedy movie then a Spider-Man movie and its VERY disappointing and disrespectto stan lee.....i have no hope for the third cause jon watts its directing it and he's the same guy from HC and FFH.....that is how you know the mcu did not study🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
17 minutes in and you seemed to define FFH as a teen toad comedy and Rami's as a drama but then to talk a lot about more dramatic and emotional elements FFH lacked. Are you judging it as a teen road comedy or as a drama? The elements you mention don't seem to fit in a comedy but a drama
27:33 I actually liked the mysterio vs nightmonkey battle the best. I LOVED the theme that played and I feel like if peter fought differently, he couldve beat mysterio RIGHT there.
Eric, for how many storylines TASM 2 has, you forgot the Rhino appearing out of nowhere in the beginning and again at the end. You also forgot the small part where Spider-Man saves a kid from bullies, while also inspiring him to be like Spider-Man and this comes into full effect when he comes back at the end to face Rhino in full costume.
The reason why he handed over the glasses wasn’t because he was stupid. The glasses symbolized Tony’s Legacy and he felt that he couldn’t carry on his legacy so he handed them off to mysterio because he seemed trustworthy and had appeared to be more powerful. His arch is to grow into the role of a greater hero.
Its not the reason but the speed, he does it after feeling sad once, in spiderman 2 Peter still tries his hardest to be spiderman even when he loses his powers until he is given too much and can't actually handle it, it isn't cause it started affecting his normal life once, it is stablished that 2 YEARS have passed since he became spiderman and after losing too much he THEN gives up, not just cause he got scolded by someone
I’m pretty sure they glasses memorized Peter, so he could put them back on. Also, Peter felt he could trust Mysterio as another mentor figure because Stark died. I do agree with everything else though. I was expecting more grieving or getting over death in Far From Home.
"If you keep something as complicated as love stored inside, it will make you sick" That quote from Otto Octavius is why Peter's powers were going away. Oh and I'm quite sure he got the glasses back easily because Mysterio was dead or when someone else is given permission, that person and all other people have permission.
I personally really enjoyed TASM 2. Plot wise, it was overwhelming (if there's something they got right plot wise, it was Gwen's death in my opinion), but there are so many good things about it, f.e. Andrew and Emma's chemistry, all the actors were great overall and the soundtrack - man, the soundtrack. Spider-Man Far From Home imo was a massive let down, because as you said, it just mostly redid Homecoming. And Spider-Man 2..... It's an amazing ride.
I agree, I actually really love TASM movies, more specifically the first one. They had real emotional weight and the best web slinging. I don't understand why TASM gets so much hate. I didn't like how far from home was just a comedy. I never felt any real stakes when everythings just a joke.
The likely reason for Tobey Maguire losing his powers is that he has lots of signs of PTSD so like when he loses his powers he's going through a lot of struggles but as the film goes on he focuses on his life and gets his powers back.
After seeing this video, it made me realized that I can rank the PS4 game with these Spiderman movies much like Ghostbusters the 2009 game with the 2 movies. It also made me appreciate Spiderman 3 more and maybe somewhat prefer it over what came after it(?) Although it was still disappointing
After watching No Way Home. Let me just say that movie did Tom some well needed justice. Not gonna spoil it, but it low-key fixes the issues mentioned here about Tom's Spider-Man
Tobey lost his powers because it was psychological. A "mental block" if you will because of all the emotional stress and him struggling mentally about wanting to just be a normal person and not being Spider-man ..being Spider-man was literally destroying his life and was questioning whether he wanted to be Spider-man anymore. And then ultimately decided that he didn't want to anymore. His life was horrible because of it...It wasnt until the third act when he realized that wants to be Spider-man, which was perfectly built up to, and is ultimately freed from the mental block and gains his power back. No offense but that was pretty obvious. Just gotta look deeper, especially to what the doctor tells peter
10:31 pretty sure that was all done so Mysterio could use that as more evidence that Peter was the one responsible for the drone strike and frame him as a villain...you know...what we saw in the after credit scene?
In Spider-Man far from home, the story with him growin into someone to fill in the shoes of Tony was pretty good to me honestly, there wasn’t just one scene where peter speaks upon it, literally the whole movie was that plot and is even why the villain of the movie almost won because peter didn’t believe he was good enough for the being a super hero but eventually came to realize in the end what he has to do
Did this dude totally forget Peter having to leave his love interest at the dance to go save the day, or Peter not being able to build the deathstar with Ned because he is being Spider-Man. Mcu spider hate needs to chill
The second's always the best. With the introductions out of the way, you can stop holding the audience's hand and leap into awesomeness! ...Dunno why the third never matches up.
Great video Eric, especially when you discuss 2004 MJ. As for the villains, I think there is a way to fix the villains in TASM2. First, no Rhino and no Green Goblin. Norman Osborn doesn't die in this movie and has a larger role in the film. Harry contacts Peter to help find a cure for his disease, something that Peter's father and Dr Conners were working on before Peter's father died. Norman starts his own research on curing his disease, by becoming a super villain. But before he uses it on himself, he picks a test monkey with poor Max Dillon and he's turned into Electro. After getting his powers he goes outside for help and Spider-Man comes to resolve the issue, but Max doesn't have control over his powers and attacks him in a panicked outburst. Afterwards, Max starts getting control over his powers and then goes to Oscorp in hopes to find a solution there. He then learns Norman used him as a guinea pig and the accident that mutated him was no accident. Because of this, he attacks Norman and Harry in a fit of rage until Spider-Man comes and saves the day, Electro is sent to jail, and it sets up the Norman becoming the Goblin. That's just how I'd do it.
The reason in Spider-Man 2 his powers disappeared was because peter was getting so sick and so unorganized that it started affecting his health which ended up affecting his powers making them go away. The reason his powers came back was because doc ock gave him that boost of energy to save mj
Spider-Man: Far From Home did deal with the drama of Iron Man's death throughout the entire film plus the reason why Spider-Man gave the E.D.I.T.H. glasses to Mysterio is because he is insecure about Iron Man's death and Beck knows this so he manipulates Peter into seeing him as another mentor for Spider-Man
I agree! When Eric said that the scene with Peter & Happy on the plane was the only scene that dealt with Tony Stark's death I was immediately like Talos Nick Fury and said: "See now that's some bullshit." That scene wasn't the only scene that dealt with Tony Stark's death and that really bothers me.
The only reason he gave edith to mysterio is because of bad writting...iron man is dead, he gives you a powerfull weapon including a lot of responsabilities and you give it to a guy you know for what ? 2 or 3 days ? Its stupid ,You're dumb as fuck....moreover its the only time edith doesnt give peter any informations about the person in front of him...bad writting
Thanks buddy. I really appreciate it. :) I also made a versus video with the three first Spider-Man installments too. So that's another versus video you can watch until No Way Home comes out.
I'm gonna die on this hill but TASM 2 had more of a personality and was at least willing to take more risks than MCU Spidey. I'm going to go as far as to say it had more value to it than Captain Marvel
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This video was 40 minutes, it certainly did not feel like that, it went so fast, keep up the great work 👍🏻
Peter losing his powers in Spider-Man 2 was explained low key though, reason he loses his powers is because of his struggles in life, and because of that he didn't want to be Spider-Man anymore, he hated it. As a matter of fact, this TH-camr explained it best, take a look th-cam.com/video/1QMXBXDISUs/w-d-xo.html
Marvel didn't work on any of the spider-man films it was Sony
Sony owns the movie and live action and video game rights while marvel and Disney only own the merchandise and animated cartoons
Iron knight Romo 42 Animated Cartoons half owed by Sony.
Ya
I disagree…
It was 43 minutes
Tobey’s Spider-Man lost his powers because the stress. MJ wants to be with him but and he wants to be with her, but he’s too busy being Spider-Man. Harry hates Spider-Man because he thinks he killed his father, and he’s upset with peter because he takes Spider-Man’s pictures and he won’t turn him in. Then J Jonnah Jameson is destroying Spider-Man’s career, Peter’s failing his classes, him and aunt May are both having money troubles, and on top of all of that his idol is planning on destroying New York.
I don’t watch his videos
I'm so sick of people not understanding Mary Jane's character or motivations in the Rami films. It wasn't that she was a tease or took pleasure out of treating Peter like crap. He'd just rejected her (unintentionally) in the first film (for her protection) after she told him she loved him. She was in so much pain after that and his lack of honesty or explanation only made her frustration and anger at Peter more apparent. And it tore her apart because she was still madly in love with him but was trying to move on in another relationship which she wasn't completely commited to. Did this guy even bother to watch the extended cut? It goes deeper on that when her friend asks her if she is in love with John enough to marry him.
The wedding scene was just ridiculous. Rami should have had her call it off before they got to the alter I'll agree on that. But he wanted to shoot MJ running through the streets in a wedding dress. And the purpose of the scene was to keep the audience in suspense. Will MJ let go of Peter and move on with John? Or will she risk danger to stand beside Peter? I'll tell you this, as unfair as it was to leave him standing there she did him a favor. If he'd married her, she would've still been pining over another guy. It would've ended up being a loveless marriage. And John had to have known deep down before hand that MJ was in love with someone else. Anyway I just wanted to add more of my take on that.
Finally, someone who gets it.
@@spndusk2362 I agree with you 100%.
So ptsd
Too bad we won't see all 3 movies comparing their 3rd movie
AlwaysLookCool 729 you say that like the chemistry between Gwen and peter was shit, it was the only best thing about the franchise, the relationship felt genuine and you could see how much they loved each other, so saying that would never happen, it all depends on the story which would have gone nowhere
Will I think Tom Hallond will get his 3th movie
@AlwaysLookCool 729 Not so sure about that. One of the actors even said on an interview that Sony wanted to introduce some kind of an elixir to help peter revive gwen and her father.
Themidnight zombie 3 ASM won’t
@AlwaysLookCool 729 there are some emails that reveal the plans sony had for tasm 3 and i can assure you it all sounds way worse than tasm2
In Spider-Man 2 His powers Come and go constantly because he Is unsure if he even wants to still be a hero. But overall Good Video
@@antoniodarcy7913 As a subscriber who's been with this channel for quite some time and has watched every VS video he's made so far, I agree with you. yes he is more of a comic book fan.
Film Theory also did a take on this too, that Peter is going through PTSD due to the events of the first movie.
And also Peter's struggle with Tony's death was present throughout the whole movie.....
It was a fine video but some pretty stupid stuff was involved
Antonio Darcy But since when did Peter’s powers ever have anything to do with his mental and emotional state?? His powers give him physical enhancements. It’s source isn’t mental or emotional. And besides, if peter made web shooters like in the comics, he would’ve still been able to be Spider-Man in a very small way
Keyser Soeze Idk it just doesn’t feel right with me, I mean I’d understand if he was a bit lacky with his performance as Spider-Man like maybe when he saves people, he doesn’t get the job done as well as usual, but losing his powers completely and then just having it come back all of a sudden when he goes in to kiss MJ, I struggle to believe that. It’s an amazing movie overall though
The reason peter’s powers start to go is because of his emotions. He only loses his powers after extreme emotional stress. Like his aunt being turned down on a loan. His best friend hating him and the girl of his dreams getting married in the same night. And him missing MJ’s play because of Spider-Man. He starts to reject this identity and as such subconsciously rejecting his powers.
Mat Pat’s Theory for the win: th-cam.com/video/TJ2yVoK7Kj8/w-d-xo.html
I always thought everyone knew why Peter lost his powers in Spider-Man 2, it’s pretty obvious as explained above
@@Damian-sq1np When I was little I didn't know and was confused but I'm older now and understand
Tabari Butler, same bro, I thought he ran out of webs even though he produces them 😂
@@Damian-sq1np Yeah haha😂😂😂, but I still loved them because they were superhero movies come to life and they really connected with me I think!😁
I got to correct you on something about Spiderman 2 because you clearly didn't pay attention. It wasn't that Peter was losing his powers, the emotional weight he was carrying around being commited to Spiderman was becoming detrimental. It was affecting his personal life and all his relationships with his friends and family. And it caused him so much turmoil that it was ultimately affecting his ability to be Spiderman. Peter was taking on so much responsibility that it threw him off balance and he became sick. Sick in the mind, body and soul. This movie was about finding that balance between Peter and Spiderman.
In the first film he decided to completely commit to being just Spiderman and sacrifice Peter Parker. But that decision almost destroyed him as we saw in the 2nd film. By the end of Spiderman 2 he finds that balance especially when Mary Jane fully commits to sharing those risks with him. She decided to share that load with Peter so he's not carrying it alone. His powers returned upon realizing that his loved ones were in danger. And if he'd just quit they'd be in even more danger than not having them in his life (which is what he thought was best in the first movie). Peter wasn't losing his powers it was a mental condition. The scene where he goes to the doctor was very self explanatory. By the end of Spiderman 2 Peter realizes he's not just a superhero he's also human.
Agreed.
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Perfect explanation
In Spider-Man 2 he was clearly losing powers because of the stress and troubles due to his double life, note how after a bad day (him missing MJ's play) his powers fail for the first time. It was clearly explained.
Well wrong he started loosing his powers after Harry slapped him and mj got a proposal from another guy...
@@dessanane3861 No, he lost his powers before when he missed MJ's play and got depressed about it, that led to more traumatic events which made him lose all his powers.
@@Grandmaster_Dragonborn also, the event where they celebrated JJJ's astronaut son. which was probably the worst day of his lfie, second to Uncle Ben's death. The love of his life got engaged to the son of the man who trashes his public name. Harry, his best friend bitch slaps him for taking pictures for the man who he thinks killed his father. After that day, he had his realization that he didn't want to be Spider-Man anymore.
@@Grandmaster_Dragonborn Sure but the movies never established that his powers were tied to his stress or how he's feeling in a moment, so it's something that could have been better established in the first or second film 🤔.
@@CLDJ227It was basically established by Otto in the dinner scene at the beginning of the movie
That astronaut guy should've been Venom. Think about it, Pete stole his woman, she dumped him on their wedding day and he's an astronaut.
I me he’s jjj son so that’s not so comic accurate but yeah true
@@emiliox4474 yeah, but it could've worked. But doesn't matter now because I actually thought SPIDER-MAN 3 was a decent film.
Who tf are you talking about?
Spiderman 2 is still my favorite of the series. The action scenes in those movies were great and the suit is awesome with the music
It's perfection. Absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Izain Martinez u sure this movie is perfect. Don’t get me wrong it’s great and all but it’s not flawless
@@Darien4Real guess I was exaggerating a bit and overstating it cause it's my favorite out of the three. But it really doesn't have that many flaws and some of them i could look past by.
@@Darien4Real same with Far From Home
The suit sucked, he was too thick
I used to dislike MJ from the Raimi movies because I thought she was a tease too, but honestly look at the character of Peter and what he puts her through. He makes her feel loved and special in the first movie. She's been verbally beaten down by a dad who treats her like crap, Harry has a very shallow relationship with her where he doesn't even stand up for her when his father calls her a golddigger, and the ONLY person who is there for her is Peter. She is ready to be with him and love him in the first movie's ending; but Peter inexplicably rejects her and she has no idea why. She'd been toyed with before and she needs to find someone who won't and John Jameson in SM2 is a wonderful boyfriend to her... she just can't get over Peter even though she tries. She ends off the movie choosing to stay with Peter because she understands why he did what he did and she loves him for his self-sacrificing love and what a hero he is. After really thinking about MJ she's not such a bad character at all, she's a realistic person trying to navigate a difficult relationship.
I agree with all of this except for the fact that she left John Jameson at the altar. There's really no excuse for that, especially since he was a genuinely good guy who actually cared for her. Like the video said, at least give him a heads-up in person instead of bailing on him the day of the wedding with nothing more than a note.
@@giulianoavella4978 she just found out that the man that she had feelings for not only loves her, but has been her guardian angel keeping her well and alive this whole time and its better john deal with it now than later that shes in love with someone else
@@manuelblissett8286 I agree, but again, let him know before the day of the wedding, in-person.
Inexplicably?
Her actions are still immature, and it's only realistic because there are people who are that shitty in real life. There was no reason to treat her fiancee that way. Yes there is an explanation for why she acts the way she does, but that doesn't mean her actions can be excused or that she's mature enough for a relationship
It'll be Raimi's Spiderman 2 for me. I just think that movie had lot more heart and soul put on it.
Yeah
@Scarlett_Reilly Hudson I like TASM better
Eric Carter: With great power, comes great TH-cam content.
Omg
Very interesting ur kinda intelligent
2004 - Spider-Man Fighting a Mentor who got brain washed by his technology
2014 - Spider-Man Fighting His childhood friend and an innocent guy who mistakenly became electro and got rejected by society
2019 - Spider-Man Fighting Drones and Hologram Technology
😂
Divyash Kumar Sherwal 2004 Spider-Man sounds cool, 2014 Spider-Man sounds sad since, you know, fighting a friend and a reject of society, and 2019 Spider-Man sounds generic.
Divyash Kumar Sherwal I saw all the movies and I know what happened.
Well... You summed it up pretty nicely
It is kinda amazing how the 2014 has the most interesting description but it is the worst one
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 lol
Man, I agree with a lot of points, but when you talk about Mary Jane, you just so wrong, I mean, try to watch the movie again, but from her point of view
She is just too hard but peter also did some thing simalar in spiderman3 so I hate both of them not only her
@@dimael-boghdady5877 peter had the symbiote in sm3, she dated gwen in it, and at the end of sm3 i think they were planning of them together again
Yeah he was a moron
7:40 He lost his powers because he couldn't confess his love to Mary Jane, and that, along with his other problems, built up stress. This is explained by Dr. Octavius, or at least that is what I remember.
Thanks for the info buddy. :)
Alright, can we get the Russos for Tom Holland's Spider-Man 3?
Sadly they won't come back till SW... I hate Jon Watts for these movies but Feige even more for letting it happen especially because he was involved in the best of them all and because his favorite Spidey moment from the comics got destroyed by these movies.
@@MrJole777 I just hope watts can deliver on Spider-Man 3, the movie has so much potential.
@@abraham7018 Knowing the Formula -_- we sadly won't get that. They have to take risks by killing someone this time either it's May or Michelle but his enemies don't even know Michelle, so it's May who's going to die as a consequence.
@@MrJole777 funny because I'm writing a little script thingy, and MJ dying is Peter's main motivation in the story.
J L death doesn’t make a story good though. There are other ways to give peter’s life consequences then just killing someone
You missed the Rhino “storyline” lol
Rhino was so unnecessary you could cut him out completely and it won't make a difference.
I honestly think that rhino made venom in Spider Man 3 look good
What even is worse is that they advertise him as a main villian
That’s cuz Sony was tryna set up the rhino 4 a cinematic universe which never happened so it is obvious that he’s not gonna talk about that bullshit
Ah Rosie, I love this boy.
Lol.
Absolutely agree, Spider-man 2 is the best of them all.
Tobey’s Spidey started losing his powers due to all of the stress mounting up and keeping his love for MJ stored inside, it was explained in the movie, remember the line said by Otto “if you keep something as complicated as love stored up inside, it can make you sick”
This is one I want to see:
Raimi's Spider-Man (1 or 2 (or both)) Vs. Spider-Man PS4's story
Spiderman ps4 is the best Peter Parker
@@TheCorkingCork ikr
@@TheCorkingCork Spectacular Spider-Man characterizes Peter better, but the PS4 game definitely has a better tone and atmosphere since it isn't a kids cartoon.
@@TheCorkingCork The PS4 Spider-Man is pretty much all 3 film incarnations of the character combined. He has girl trouble like Tom Holland's Spidey, the agility and funny personality of Andrew Garfield, and the real world problems of Tobey Macguire's.
The mj from that is just a cheap lois lane rip off though
Tobey's loss of spider powers is meant to represent the emotional rut his character is in at this point. His powers correspond to his emotional state.
Yeah but I don't think they established that here or in the previous movie so it may come a bit out of nowhere for people 🤔.
Im getting tired of spidey villains being created by tony
You and me both. The villains need to have a personal connection to Peter, not Stark.
You see the thing is , if someone replaced tony eg Osborn or the first antman movie villian , so it would still just be a person the villian Hayes so stop your complaining
@@oisinreilly2639 I understood none of what you just said because of your grammar
@@oisinreilly2639 u speaky Engly ??
Yeah I mean I get they’re making his villains more linked to the mcu but still
Mary Jane touches Peter’s face to get him to open up… and when he doesn’t she gives up. You have to take these parts you’re picking out in context.
I love how you strongly recognize the many problems MCU spiderman has, specially since nowadays a lot of people seem to treat it as the perfect franchise, and its really far from that
Bro what are you talking about. Everyone always talks about MCU Spider-Man’s problems
@@jacoba6747 Not the MCU fans. They call us haters with nostalgia for Tobey when we criticize Tom's Spiderman
@Erik Kemeey We are aware. What I'm saying is that MCU stans can criticize Tobey's Spiderman, but they want to kill us when we try to criticize Tom's.
No matter what they do with Spider-Man in the future, I think that nothing will beat the charm and heart of the original Spider-Man Trilogy.
Honestly the raimi trylogie is overrated. The MCU spiderman still is a kid and he does has a lot of consequences. He has logical high-school problems
@@Batman.beyondArlkham yeah but the fanboys will never admit that it is overrated
Look at 2 fanboys of Iron Man Jr.
Gonna cry?
@@viniciusbersot18 you are a sick fan . Get lost . Good fans won't argue here
@@thefakecollector1125 oh whoa ur another iron boy jr aka tech boy jr man stan
It’s simple. The amazing spider man had constant meddling from Sony studios, and far from home was treated as just another two hour long episode in the MCU. Spider man 2 actually felt like something special. It was done with a clear vision, and with passion. THAT is why it will stand the test of time and that is why 20-30 years from now we can fondly look back and say yeah.. still an absolute classic
The thing that makes Spider-Man 2 the best is that it’s a regular 2000s drama masquerading as a superhero film. You can take out all action scenes and still have a beautiful movie
I think you don't use a lot of context in the Mary Jane character issue.
I think you don't regard that the face touching is all after Peter himself plays similarly in Spider-Man 1, where he and her are holding hands, he gives that big speech to her and shuts her down at the end of the movie when she kisses him and says she loves him. Isn't it possible that MJ telling Peter she's dating something that's more than companionship is her trying to get him realize she's not going to wait around for him? I think that's what that means.
And I think you don't regard that MJ has already told Peter she has feelings for him and he shut her down in SM 1. Should she just reiterate that to someone whose rejected her and as far as I think he's basically said, only has friendship to give?
I think she's not sure about the choice she wants to make in that situation, as on paper John is a better match for her than Peter in his stressful, dangerous life and by looking down barrel of the gun that is the isle she chooses then. But if she were to tell John in person would that make him really feel better? It's not great for him, but does it villainize her for choosing how she did it? And I think you're making assumptions about how the John character feels in situations and operates.
Why do you think she uses him to get to Peter? I don't think the movie depicts that for the most part. I think she's committed in staying with the man who she thinks on paper is best for her. It's not necessarily healthy, but using him to get to Peter isn't what I think the movie is developing.
No, to call Peter a saint in comparison to MJ is untrue. Peter is still the person I think trying to ask out an engaged woman, still the person who tries to woo her with poetry after disappointing her and telling her all he had give her was being her friend. From MJ's perspective I think it's a reasonable perception that Peter complicates things and is emotionally jerking her around. And even in regards to things MJ may not know about at that point. Like Peter kissing his friend's girlfriend. Or in Spider-Man 3 putting on the black suit, knowing what it can do. And even in comparison to other villains. Eddie is still more outright villainous before he gets the suit and Flint is a criminal before too.
I don't think Gwen is the superior love interest. Why would she be? I think she's not as much of a character as Mary Jane. I think Gwen has little emotional roundedness and character development, and that her character is there mainly to service Peter, while she herself in character aspects doesn't have a lot going on. Even the likable remark I don't think applies, considering her disregard for her dad's dying wish and uncaring attitude about him at all in that movie. Even her helping I think is more plot based.
“How is she able to pay to power Peter Parker’s suit?”
Large Checks from Tony Stark Business.
Spider-Man 2 for the win.
超Kįñg Jæ fanboys I swear
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xTKC TVx your fanboys to lol
xTKC TVx you’re an iron boy jr fanboy
Na amazing Spiderman 2 for me at least
There is a film theory about how Spider-Man lose his powers
Yeah it's by the film theorists
DEAD MEME LORD really I thought it was by the game theorists
@@riolugaming5017 same people, just shows and films instead of video games.
Its a theory but the film itself doesnt give a reason
@@Rscreen A film doesn't always need to spoon feed you information. I'm pretty sure they knew what they were doing when they made him lose his powers. It was at the lowest point of his life when everything went wrong and he lost his powers.
I knew that Mysterio was a villain, but the twist still surprised me because I thought they were doing what they did in Iron Man 3 where they changed the character from the comics.
I don't understand how people still are confused about how Peter lost his powers in SM2, no shade intended but it was clear to me as a 9 year old when I first saw it. There's a line about "keeping it all bottled up inside can make you sick" and it's something that completely makes sense to me as an adult where my emotions getting in the way have hampered my performance in other areas of life. It's personifying Peter's stress in life and his heart being elsewhere in Peter's powers waning and it's as simple as that- which is why to me it's so effective.
Nick Cagnetti because for some people you apparently need to scream in their face with flashing lights, they don’t understand subtlety.
Finally someone that understands that the new spider man isn't all perfect and the old spider man has some good things
Apart from the web shooters he's pretty comic accurate.
It annoys me how they treated FFH like a masterpiece even tho it had several flaws.
@@itsmejohncarrera9021 Ik same here
@@itsmejohncarrera9021 so did the raimi movies that you raimi fan boys claim are perfect and Spiderman 3 is the worst despite all of them being the same movie
@@raidoukuzonoha883 Spider man 3 was not perfect neither are the rest but even spider man 3 was better than amazing spider man movies so we're not saying it's perfect but since the other movies are new we expect more
Peter did face a major consequence in homecoming. He chose to ditch liz at the dance and face her dad instead then she ended up moving away and he lost the girl.
But does that really effect him?
How does that effect HIM though?
Oh, and there's also something else I forgot to mention, and it's about Electro's motivation, because I think you might've missed something about it.
Max Dillon wasn't just a nerd - he was shown to be someone who's underappreciated and pushed around a lot. And, as seen in the brief fantasy that he has of berating his boss, he's got a *lot* of anger pent up inside him as a result. When Spiderman saved him, he felt appreciated, which is what I think made him such a big fan of Spiderman: because he felt like Spiderman was his only friend, the only person who he could trust.
When Max became Electro, I think the electricity fried his brain and made him go insane. And, being insane, he lost control of his mind, so all of the anger that he had built up inside him was all primed to be unleashed. He saw himself garnering attention from the city, but then Spiderman took the spotlight, and that would've made his mind just COMPLETELY lose it, but he still partly saw Spiderman as a friend, which is why Electro was surprisingly reserved when talking to Spiderman in the streets. But once the sniper up on the roof shot Electro, his insane mind saw it as Spiderman setting him up so that he could be killed, which is why he then called Spiderman a liar. Electro then felt like he couldn't trust anyone anymore, and he finally let loose all of his rage and emotions towards everyone for treating him like crap all the time when he was Max. Although he mainly directed his rage at Spiderman, because, y'know... Electro's a villain and all.
But yeah, that villainous motivation of his is something that I pieced together from my first viewing of the movie, and it looked like you might've missed that in this video, so I'm just pointing it out here for you.
Finally someone Sho knows the True reason Why Electro is Sho he is
@@ugaddemmid4520 Thanks! I've known it for a really long time, I just never found the need to actually say it until now. ^^;
In that case, they did a _very_ bad job at explaining it.
@@SavouryGalette Can you blame them? They had so much other stuff going on in the movie.
@@Terrifyger Yes, actually, I can. Takes about 2 seconds to explain why Electro suddenly turned to villainy. Not that difficult. That's actually the least difficult thing to pull off in a movie that's full of subplots.
MJ to Peter in homecoming: *Middle fingers*
Peter to MJ in FFH: *I think MJ really likes me*
7:39 peter losing his powers actually makes sense its just told very subtle to the point that no one notices it, it's mention in the scene where peter and Otto are having dinner together and Otto says -
if you keep something a complicated as love stored up inside it can make you sick.
Since peter never really told mj how he felt about her in the first movie going into the second and finding out that mj is getting married he keeps bottling his feelings for mj to the point where it made him sick resulting to him losing his powers and he doesn't gain his powers back until he tells mj his feelings for her.
Mary Jane isn’t being manipulative. She’s trying to get peter to open up because she genuinely wants to know if peter truly loves her or not. Yes, using other guys as a way for him to do so is pretty extreme but you can’t forget that in MaryJane’s perspective, peter is being the tease and is being rough towards her. There are times where he says he loves and cares for her and he obviously shows it but then there are other times where peter says they can’t be together and they can only be friends. This is obviously due to Peter’s double life as Spider-Man but Mary Jane doesn’t know this and she perceives it as peter playing with her emotions. I’m not saying Mary Jane is the best person in the world but to brush it off as her being manipulative and being a bad human being is kinda inconsiderate.
Agree 100%!
Aamir Austin it’s because people always expect characters like MJ to act accordingly or in a specific way. The some people don’t take into consideration that everyone has their own perspectives and experiences. Like I said, I’m not claiming MJ is a pure hearted angel but she isn’t an evil manipulative person that everyone makes her out to be. Take aunt May for Instance, people called her a bad version of aunt May just because she doesn’t instantly forgive peter when he confesses about indirectly letting uncle Ben die. People expect aunt May to be instantly loving and forgiving but when she walks away looking shocked and upset, people call her a bad person. No one would take that kind of revelation any where as well as aunt May did.
@@d4_yep37 I know and completely understand, Mary Jane is not a saint but she is still a good person, she's a flawed individual just like everybody else and the fact that she has a character with arcs and motivations unlike Gwen Stacy and Zendaya's MJ, it makes her better than both of them, it really sucks that people don't see that. Also I agree on Aunt May, her reaction after Peter told her the truth about Uncle Ben's death is a very human and realistic reaction, any human would reaction that way if they were told something like that and she did forgive him in the backyard scene and was proud of him that he told her the truth, Rosemary Harris is the best Aunt May.
She is plus he's clearly bias the raimi movies suck except for the original that one's ok but the other two are crap and the mark Webb movies suck also
MrCynical 64 nah but you can believe what ever you want to pal.
in raimis Spider-Man, when peter loses his powers, its because hes not focused on being a hero, and being depressed.
Im sure everyone understood that, how did he miss that?
@@NudePizza69 dunno
I don't think a lot of people understood MJ in Sam Raimis Spiderman. She has a lot of baggage to deal with, her terrible upbringing, her horrible father and her parents terrible marriage all that stuff affects children growing up. She takes that emotional trauma through with her into adulthood. I don't think she was being a tease in Spiderman 2. Peter was the only man who ever made her feel loved and special and who actually saw her for who she is. Her dad doesnt give a crap about her, flash used her as a trophy and so did Harry. So Peter rejecting her despite her knowing that he feels the same for her would have been a huge blow. She tries to replace him with Jameson but she loves Peter and it is very hard to stop loving someone even when they hurt you. Yes, her actions did come across as manipulative and selfish at times but we have to remember, in fact we saw in Spiderman, her terrible upbringing which definitely would affect how she deals with relationships. I feel people are too harsh on MJ. She's a very complex character and I THOUGHT Raimi knew this and tried to show it. I actually understand and sympathise with MJ more now than I've grown myself and been in relationships than I did when I was a kid. She's been starved for love all her life and Peter gave it to her then took it away. You don't think that would hurt and really affect someone who had such a crap childhood starved of affection from her father?
I really like the creative uses of the claws in Spider-Man 2, the cigar, the glasses, the whisky.
I can’t believe I sat through this entire 40 minute video.
Thanks buddy. :) I hope you enjoyed it.
They should have framed it like we're waiting for the twist
"The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is...is...is a lot of things."
Well that's one way of putting it...
Yup I am a big Fan of The Amazing Spider-Man 1 but the second one is ... is ... is a lot of things but I adore the Raimi movies all three of them to be exact
He’s not really dumb in ffh though. He just met this hero figure who ‘sacrificed’ himself for a planet not his own. Sure he might’ve met him just a few days prior, but after seeing that, I feel like Peters trust in Beck would be high enough to entrust him with Edith
You should watch cinemawins everything great about spiderman 2. In the movie Dr. Octavius says "Love should never be a secret. If you keep something as complicated as love stored up inside, it could make you sick". Spiderman 2 is honestly a work of art in a way, even if it is campy
This won't even be close but I'll still watch it
I understand the bit about Far From Home being less of a character study and more of a high schooler comedy, but I don’t know about the emotional portion only being in one scene. I noticed that there were other nods to it throughout the movie. During the charity(?) event where he has the Iron Spider suit, he panics and leaves to be alone. During the trip to Europe, there are multiple nods pointed out in front of him (the plane documentary, the murals), his screwups with using Stark tech (nearly killing Brad with the glasses, but #fuckyoubrad). I at least thought it was handled fine. That’s just my opinion. Judge as you will
He also during the start didn’t want to be Spider-Man on the trip
In my opinion, Far From Home was the best.
@@MitchyBoi03 mee 2
@@Whateveridksomething strait fax.
@@nathanielsaunders9815 ye and he knows he can't escape the responsibility
I thought if far from home dealt with tony starks death to much then he would be "iron boy"
No. If they focused on it, they would be able to have him heal and move past from his Iron Man JR status by accomplishing his goal HIS way.
No tech, no Stark Backup, just him.
Before one can move on, they must face their problem head on.
Tom holland's spidey did have a logical reason to give Beck the glasses though. Peter thought Beck was a partner of Nick Fury so you'd think it would be safe to assume he was a legitimate hero. Also Fury's yelling and everything around him made him believe he wasn't responsible enough to have the glasses so he wanted to give that responsibility to someone he thought was more capable to handle it.
whats funny is he says that giving a guy he's only known for a few days the glasses is dumb but still expects a more emotional response from Peter when he confronts Beck about the betrayal when he literally only knew him for a few days. the PS4 Peter and Oct emotion stuff is not a fair comparison because you know they were partners for a long time.
I’m so glad other people dislike the MCU spiderman I thought I was going CRAZY
Mcu spider-man is just overrated honestly. Nothing beats spider-man 1 and 2 but sadly 3 kinda ruined it
Yup you're not alone
@Erik Kemeey not trolling. It's called an opinion🤷♂️
@Erik Kemeey Crazy how many people have the same opinion as me, and many people have the same opinion as you🤔. So what does that leave us with? Let's just agree to disagree since I don't think you can have an actual debate about anything since the first thing to say is that I'm a troll.
I think TH-cam is broken it doesn't say a million subs.
The video we've all been waiting for since far from home came out. Thank you so much!
As a kid, I loved spider man 2 and 1 and even three. Spider-Man 2 was the perfect blend of drama, action, and even comedy. It was very funny at some points and dived so deeply into Peter’s character that by the end, we really feel like Peter is US. I didn’t like far from home. It didn’t try to be anything but a big action blockbuster. The action was really good, and it actually could be funny at some points, yet it just was standard and by the numbers. Of course, Spider-Man 2 had good action and good acting. That is everything positive I have to say about it.
Spider-Man 2 is the only logical choice. Anyone who questions that has mental issues
Haha haha that last part ffsss
Far From Home > Spider-Man 2
@@saiyanc137 far from spiderman is what they should've named it tom Holland sucks as spiderman
Spider-Man 2> Spider-Man far from home. Both are great movies but Spider-Man 2 gets the crown for the best live action movie and sequel
@@emiliox4474 ffh is not even good
Eric Carter:Releases The Spider-Man 2 Versus video
Me:For 27 years I dreamt of you I craved you Oh I’ve Missed You!!!
In FFH Peter can grieve without being emotionally drained. He doesnt need to mope hours of the movie just because Tony died.. Its like life in a way, yeah someone died, but things still happen, people still have responsibilities. Life still moves on...
1 question... did you fix that door
EYESEEYOU 2008 you’ll get your door fixed when you give him his rent
But how the movie did it was SOO bad....its just a highschool comedy movie then a Spider-Man movie and its VERY disappointing and disrespectto stan lee.....i have no hope for the third cause jon watts its directing it and he's the same guy from HC and FFH.....that is how you know the mcu did not study🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
JackTooni true
Also from the way he’s typing I think he is on drugs lol
17 minutes in and you seemed to define FFH as a teen toad comedy and Rami's as a drama but then to talk a lot about more dramatic and emotional elements FFH lacked. Are you judging it as a teen road comedy or as a drama? The elements you mention don't seem to fit in a comedy but a drama
Good job Eric. You took your time and made this 10/10 video
Thanks buddy. :)
If you count the Elementals as their own villains then Far From Home has 5 villains,Sandman,Hydroman,Cyclone,Moltenman and Mysterio
27:33
I actually liked the mysterio vs nightmonkey battle the best.
I LOVED the theme that played and I feel like if peter fought differently, he couldve beat mysterio RIGHT there.
Spiderman FFH: 9.5/10
Spiderman 2: 9/10
The Amazing Spiderman 2: 3/10
J. Jonah Jameson exactly!
ffh should like 5.5/10
like wow
You are the most underrated TH-camr I know! How do u not have at least a million subs!!!
Spider-Man 2 won an Academy Award. That's an instant W 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
I love how you mention the ups and downs. Most people just talk about the major cons of the films they don’t like.
I have been waiting and this does not disappoint.
Eric, for how many storylines TASM 2 has, you forgot the Rhino appearing out of nowhere in the beginning and again at the end. You also forgot the small part where Spider-Man saves a kid from bullies, while also inspiring him to be like Spider-Man and this comes into full effect when he comes back at the end to face Rhino in full costume.
The reason why he handed over the glasses wasn’t because he was stupid. The glasses symbolized Tony’s Legacy and he felt that he couldn’t carry on his legacy so he handed them off to mysterio because he seemed trustworthy and had appeared to be more powerful. His arch is to grow into the role of a greater hero.
Its not the reason but the speed, he does it after feeling sad once, in spiderman 2 Peter still tries his hardest to be spiderman even when he loses his powers until he is given too much and can't actually handle it, it isn't cause it started affecting his normal life once, it is stablished that 2 YEARS have passed since he became spiderman and after losing too much he THEN gives up, not just cause he got scolded by someone
I'm delighted I saw the Sam Raimi trilogy.
Fantastic video, Eric!
Thanks buddy. :)
You’re welcome.
I’m pretty sure they glasses memorized Peter, so he could put them back on. Also, Peter felt he could trust Mysterio as another mentor figure because Stark died. I do agree with everything else though. I was expecting more grieving or getting over death in Far From Home.
Yes its finally here yes yes I am so happy now
I’ve finally got to see your match up with these three movies. Amazing video by the way
"If you keep something as complicated as love stored inside, it will make you sick"
That quote from Otto Octavius is why Peter's powers were going away.
Oh and I'm quite sure he got the glasses back easily because Mysterio was dead or when someone else is given permission, that person and all other people have permission.
And another thing I liked how you played doc ock music while talking about Mary Jane 😂😂😂
Lol, thanks. 😋
I personally really enjoyed TASM 2. Plot wise, it was overwhelming (if there's something they got right plot wise, it was Gwen's death in my opinion), but there are so many good things about it, f.e. Andrew and Emma's chemistry, all the actors were great overall and the soundtrack - man, the soundtrack. Spider-Man Far From Home imo was a massive let down, because as you said, it just mostly redid Homecoming. And Spider-Man 2..... It's an amazing ride.
I agree, I actually really love TASM movies, more specifically the first one. They had real emotional weight and the best web slinging. I don't understand why TASM gets so much hate. I didn't like how far from home was just a comedy. I never felt any real stakes when everythings just a joke.
@Cyberdemon Mike he didn't EXACTLY let them die, but he wasn't exactly ABLE to save all of those people.
@Cyberdemon Mike Holland gave away the most powerful weapon to a stranger. Stupid selfish shit probably cause many more deaths
He loses his powers because of emotional problems PTSD in them he faces his fear so he regains them.
The likely reason for Tobey Maguire losing his powers is that he has lots of signs of PTSD so like when he loses his powers he's going through a lot of struggles but as the film goes on he focuses on his life and gets his powers back.
After seeing this video, it made me realized that I can rank the PS4 game with these Spiderman movies much like Ghostbusters the 2009 game with the 2 movies.
It also made me appreciate Spiderman 3 more and maybe somewhat prefer it over what came after it(?) Although it was still disappointing
After watching No Way Home. Let me just say that movie did Tom some well needed justice. Not gonna spoil it, but it low-key fixes the issues mentioned here about Tom's Spider-Man
Tobey lost his powers because it was psychological. A "mental block" if you will because of all the emotional stress and him struggling mentally about wanting to just be a normal person and not being Spider-man ..being Spider-man was literally destroying his life and was questioning whether he wanted to be Spider-man anymore. And then ultimately decided that he didn't want to anymore. His life was horrible because of it...It wasnt until the third act when he realized that wants to be Spider-man, which was perfectly built up to, and is ultimately freed from the mental block and gains his power back. No offense but that was pretty obvious. Just gotta look deeper, especially to what the doctor tells peter
everything you said about Mary Jane was just golden 😂
So true
10:31 pretty sure that was all done so Mysterio could use that as more evidence that Peter was the one responsible for the drone strike and frame him as a villain...you know...what we saw in the after credit scene?
In Spider-Man far from home, the story with him growin into someone to fill in the shoes of Tony was pretty good to me honestly, there wasn’t just one scene where peter speaks upon it, literally the whole movie was that plot and is even why the villain of the movie almost won because peter didn’t believe he was good enough for the being a super hero but eventually came to realize in the end what he has to do
I agree. The theme in Spider-Man Far from Home could have been about change and how to deal with grief. That was SUCH a missed opportunity.
Did this dude totally forget Peter having to leave his love interest at the dance to go save the day, or Peter not being able to build the deathstar with Ned because he is being Spider-Man. Mcu spider hate needs to chill
The second's always the best. With the introductions out of the way, you can stop holding the audience's hand and leap into awesomeness! ...Dunno why the third never matches up.
Great video Eric, especially when you discuss 2004 MJ. As for the villains, I think there is a way to fix the villains in TASM2. First, no Rhino and no Green Goblin. Norman Osborn doesn't die in this movie and has a larger role in the film. Harry contacts Peter to help find a cure for his disease, something that Peter's father and Dr Conners were working on before Peter's father died. Norman starts his own research on curing his disease, by becoming a super villain. But before he uses it on himself, he picks a test monkey with poor Max Dillon and he's turned into Electro. After getting his powers he goes outside for help and Spider-Man comes to resolve the issue, but Max doesn't have control over his powers and attacks him in a panicked outburst. Afterwards, Max starts getting control over his powers and then goes to Oscorp in hopes to find a solution there. He then learns Norman used him as a guinea pig and the accident that mutated him was no accident. Because of this, he attacks Norman and Harry in a fit of rage until Spider-Man comes and saves the day, Electro is sent to jail, and it sets up the Norman becoming the Goblin.
That's just how I'd do it.
The reason in Spider-Man 2 his powers disappeared was because peter was getting so sick and so unorganized that it started affecting his health which ended up affecting his powers making them go away. The reason his powers came back was because doc ock gave him that boost of energy to save mj
I came here as soon as I got notified.
The ultimate battle you constructed yet!
I am so, so glad that this video is 40 minutes. Always enjoy your content, Eric.
Spider-Man: Far From Home did deal with the drama of Iron Man's death throughout the entire film plus the reason why Spider-Man gave the E.D.I.T.H. glasses to Mysterio is because he is insecure about Iron Man's death and Beck knows this so he manipulates Peter into seeing him as another mentor for Spider-Man
Robert Angus I was wondering if I was the only person who noticed this. It feels like I’ve watched different movies then this guy
What you speak is truth , ffh is such a good movie
I agree! When Eric said that the scene with Peter & Happy on the plane was the only scene that dealt with Tony Stark's death I was immediately like Talos Nick Fury and said: "See now that's some bullshit." That scene wasn't the only scene that dealt with Tony Stark's death and that really bothers me.
The only reason he gave edith to mysterio is because of bad writting...iron man is dead, he gives you a powerfull weapon including a lot of responsabilities and you give it to a guy you know for what ? 2 or 3 days ? Its stupid ,You're dumb as fuck....moreover its the only time edith doesnt give peter any informations about the person in front of him...bad writting
Oisin Reilly no it’s not.
Spiderman 2>far from home>amazing spiderman 2
This is fact.
Nah Tasm 2 was more enjoyable than ffh
Man, you deserve more subs. This content alone should at least boost you up to 100k.
I cannot wait until Spider-Man No Way Home comes out, your videos are so awesome man, I can't wait till you review it.
Thanks buddy. I really appreciate it. :)
I also made a versus video with the three first Spider-Man installments too. So that's another versus video you can watch until No Way Home comes out.
*raimi and mcu spider-man finish their respective trilogies*
“Ah, Andrew Garfield gonna cry?”
Stfu
I truthfully think Andrew is WAY better than Tom Holland, but that's just me.
@@Greg_Robertson no bro your right he is
I'm gonna die on this hill but TASM 2 had more of a personality and was at least willing to take more risks than MCU Spidey. I'm going to go as far as to say it had more value to it than Captain Marvel
heroNation 616 🤣🤣🤣awwwwww look at little heroNation 616 jr, gonna cry?🤣🤣🤣😂
In my opinion the best Spider-Man movie is Into the Spider-verse, especially because it is mostly a love letter to all Spider-Man fans.
Into the spiderverse vs PS4 Spidey
Spider verse is overrated
You know it has been like 5 YEARS between homecoming and far from home