It was Brent`s ship that came back because the year 3955 was mentioned by Brent and Escape does mention the year 3955, Taylor`s ship had a date of 3978. Taylor`s ship was bigger and Brent`s ship was smaller 3 seater and sent to investigate what happened to Taylor and company, ANSA now called NASA in Escape lied and said it was Taylor`s ship in order to protect their jobs and keep the funding coming in. Brent`s ship was on land and easy to get to and install the emergency hatch back unlike Taylors where the hatch was lost in the depths.
“Super easy - barely an inconvenience”! They just dragged the Icarus out of the lake, constructed an ape launch site with wood, stone, and vines, and refueled the the rocket with mango juice!
Death of the Planet of the Apes (by Andrew E.C. Gaska): The sea was dead. Few living apes knew what catastrophe had befallen the area surrounding it, deep in the Forbidden Zone-only that it had been this way for centuries. On its shore, a metal monster gleamed in the afternoon sun. Its nose was conical and sharp, its fused silica eyes set wide. Its shell was hard and battle-worn, and behind what appeared to be wings it tapered to a crumpled, splender, tubular tail. It was gigantic and intimidating. Worse than that, it was alien. A name was stamped brazenly on the side of the tail: Liberty 1. It had been waterlogged, seemingly stuck to the bottom of the inland sea for all time, but nature had another idea. Air pockets trapped within its shell had conspired with a raging storm to dislodge the object from its watery grave. The apes at the site had taken advantage of that, lassoed several lines to the behemoth, and guided it to shore. It beached hard on the rocky crags, irreparably damaging the long cylindrical tube which formed its tail. Once it was partially out of the water, the apes had labored to build a dam around it and drain that small section of lake. They removed the vessel's sole occupant, the desicatted corpse of a strangely garbed human female, and buried her beneath a rocky pile some thirty yards from the waterline. Poring over sun-dried manuals found in the behemoth's belly, the apes had located the ship's power source, and discovered how to reactivate it. They had removed circuit boards and let them dry out in the sun before replacing them in their designated slots.
I have always assumed that was Brent's ship they came back in, and it had not landed n the water and sunk. Anyway, I think would like to read the rest of that book, or story, whichever.
If anyone is interested, the countdown is from the movie "Journey To The Far Side Of The Sun", and "we're off!, shot into space with the speed of a bullet!" is Lionel Jefferies in "The First Men In The Moon".
Scanning through all the comments on this ( and other similar videos ) it seems that many viewers are asking about HOW was the Icarus ship actually powered, and HOW did the 3 Apes manage to get away from the Earth, just before our hero Taylor destroyed the planet ? Whenever anyone asks, I am putting the following explanation... Hope this makes sense... Please google... Liberty 2 Lander... and check out images... On the original POTA film, we never saw the lower half of the ship...The theory is that, when contact was lost with Taylor, then Earth sent out TWO rescue ships... One was a 4 man crew ship, the same as Taylor's ship, piloted by Skipper ( with 3 empty seats ), and the other was a 3 man crew ship, piloted by Brent ( with 2 empty seats )... So now we are at the start of Beneath the POTA film, and Skipper's ship has crashed on the desert... Note that we never see Brent's ship, but we must assume that it landed successfully in the upright position... Move forward to the end, where Taylor presses the doomsday button... We can assume that Brent told Cornelius, Zira and Milo where his ship was located, and that all they had to do was to go on board, and sit back and press the auto-pilot button, and the ship would take off and return to Earth... So, our hero Taylor has destroyed the Earth, and the 3 Apes have witnessed it, as they take off ( As Zira described watching the horizon turn orange )... Now we start the film Escape from the POTA, and we see Brent's 3 man crew ship being pulled out of the water ( Note... NOT Taylor's 4 man crew ship )... I think this is the only possible explanation as to how the 3 Apes return to Earth in a different ship to Taylor's ship...
Very astute theory. I like that. But, I thought it was apparent that Brent and Skipper were together on the same flight - the rescue mission for Taylor and crew. There was never any sign of a separate ship for Skipper. Your theory would make sense if there was a third ship (not counting the POTA series ship, of course, which was in tact, but blown up by the apes. This was also hundreds of years before Taylor reaching the first film's time period.) What gave you the impression that Brent came in a separate ship?
@@morlockmeat At the start of the Beneath the POTA film, it is obvious that Skipper's ship is a total write-off, and that Skipper was severely injured, and soon died.... Yet Brent was in perfect health, and not a scratch on him... If they had been in the same cockpit, I would have expected that Brent would have had some type of burns, lacerations, torn clothing, etc... But, my theory holds up, if Brent had got out of his ship, and walked over to the remains of Skipper's ship... As for the POTA series, I, sadly, do NOT include that storyline in my analysis, as I do not consider it to be a sensible part of the POTA storyline... Indeed, my theory only covers the 3 films..? Finally, I am trying to carefully study the actual words spoken between Skipper and Brent, ( and perhaps later, when Taylor meets Brent ) to see if there is any conclusive evidence that they were both on the same ship, or if there is, at least, a possibility of TWO ships... ( One of which was fully intact and operational, and ready for take-off )...
@@richardruff8712 - Ha! I do agree not to include the series as part of this whole thing. Too many inconsistencies right from the very first scene in the very first episode. But, your points are well taken. Brent was unscathed. Yet, as far as I can recall, there was no mention of a second ship. I would be very interested to hear from you if you find more details on this that so many of us have missed. It would clear up much of the inconsistencies and make better sense for the introduction of Escape. Very interesting conversation. It opened my mind to these possibilities. 🤔🙂🐵
@@morlockmeat Yes, an interesting discussion, I agree... Have checked the final scripts of all 3 films, but cannot find any DEFINITIVE words to confirm a second rescue ship... or not ! .. At start of Beneath, Skipper asks what sun it is, but Brent says the computers are broken.. ( definitely on Skipper's ship, but if Brent's ship was in a perfect condition, then Brent should have known that the sun above, was, in fact, OUR sun. )... Later, when Brent and Nova see Ape City, Brent says " I need to get away, up in to the air again. This place is Planet Nightmare ! "... Legally, an absence of proof, is not proof of an absence... I still think that, if we can consider the possibility of Brent's fully intact ship, ready for take-off, then it absolutely enables the 3 Apes to get away... For the last few years, I have not seen any plausible alternative theory, as to how on Earth the Apes managed to get away... Sorry for the pun !!!
@@richardruff8712 - Ha-ha! Pun accepted. I guess there is no reason NOT to hypothesize that Brent had his own ship. It certainly would make everything fit better and make better sense. I always found it so hard to think that Milo, as great of an Ape mind he might have had, salvaged Taylor's ship, cleaned it up and got it working, and leaned everything he needed to know to get off the planet, all in an Ape era that was equivalent to our 13th century, where the sight of a paper airplane was astonishing and they didn't know about boating and sailing ships, could possibly have lead them into the 3rd film. Maybe he was Milo de Vinci? 😁 Anyway, it's fun to speculate. Maybe I'll re-make the beginning of this little film, using the images that were on that site you mentioned, with the re-built ship at that air show.
Never seen this Part. I have the Hole Series with all the Episodes. Just show them in the Sea (That when they went through a Time Tunnel and landed on Earth after they left the Earth in the Future). They should of put the Earth's destruction at the First End of the Episodes and then the 3 Apes returning to Earth in the Future, in the Second End of the Episodes. Anyway :"The Planet of the Apes" was an Excellent Series to watch, in the 60, 70, 80, 90 (Made in the 60s). Why it showed what will happen in the Future if Man Destroys him self with a Nuclear War. Like many Other Earth like and Alien like Intelligent Civilisations, that lived in the Past ( Any Time from 500 000 BC -- 10 000 BC).There were 7 Ice Ages too in the Past. The last one was in 40 000 BC -- 10 000 BC.Any way, Charles Heston played in many moves like this:"The Planet of the Apes, The Omega Man, Soilen Green," showing us what would happen if there was a Nuclear War, Virus and Over Population that could happen not on this Planet, but also on Other Earth Like Planets ( With an Earth Like Biology), plus Human most there Intelligent Civilisations. I'm happy to have learned alot from these Three Moves. I'm also happy I lived in these Times. Thank you Charles Heston. GOD Bless. 🍷🍾🍫🌹😢
@@richardruff8712 - I was referring to the films that Heston was in, warning of the different and dismal futures of Mankind, but, ironically, THAT Charlton Heston, yes. I thought he enjoyed shooting Apes a little too much. 😉
Its not Taylors ship , it is Brents ship which we never see in the previous films. We have to presume it was intact and could take off from land without rocket fuel.
Please just scroll back, and see my explanation of it all... I agree that it is Brent's ship in which the 3 Apes return to the Pacific Ocean, just off the coast of California... The lovely Icarus ship at the Air-show, allows us to see how it would have taken off, fully fuelled, and the on-board auto-pilot would have returned them to Earth... My theory DOES work, and demonstrates how they arrive on Earth in a 3 man ship ... ( and NOT a 4 man ship )... The only workable method, is that Brent's ( unseen ) ship is a 3 man ship, fully intact, and ready for an immediate launch ( just before Taylor presses the button on the bomb )....
If you scroll through the comments, look for @richardruff8712 and you’ll see his detailed theory makes complete sense. He’s worked the whole thing out.😊
@@morlockmeat Hi again my friend... It seems that we must both make it our ' mission ' to get everyone to read my theory.... Then there shouldn't be any more confusion out there... It seems that a lot of people are starting to accept that the 3 Apes used Brent's ship to get away from the POTA....
This is a link between the end of Beneath the Planet of the Apes and Escape from Planet of the Apes, on the assumption that there was an Ape space program and three of them escaped before the God Bomb went off. The causality of the entire franchise is so bonkers, sure, let's assume that Apes escaped in a space craft before the Bomb at the end of Beneath the Planet of the Apes. 🐵
Actually, they didn't have an ape-space program. The absurdity of the whole idea was that Dr. Milo, an ape from a civilization that couldn't even comprehend the concept of a paper airplane, salvaged Taylor's space craft, figured out, not only how to repair it, but also fly the damn thing, in order to... escape from the planet of the apes! To me, the franchise took a drastic left turn with Beneath the Planet of the Apes. Too bad, because it could've been a more interesting commentary on society, had they followed up in a smarter way. But as silly as the movies became, I love the franchise. 😁
@@morlockmeat Dr. Milo, Cornelius and Zira had access to ancient knowledge and technology left behind by ancient aliens. Does anyone believe humans could create that?
@@morlockmeat My biggest criticism of Escape, which is actually just very much the original novel in reverse, is Cornelius' dialog about the apes knowing their origin and celebrating the ape who said "No." Tat is just such a jarring discontinuity with the first two movies. It would have been so easy, and so smoothly continuous with the first movie and the original novel, to have him say that these were things he and Zira had discovered in their research.
Allow me to argue here that the EARTH-TIME date after the Timewarp ought not to be "09-14-1973" (as this video has it), but either "11-22-1973" (the 10th anniversary of the JFK assassination) or "11-23-1973" (i.e. exactly 1,982 years before Doomsday). Why? Armando tells Gov. Breck that his missing chimpanzee -- "The only chimpanzee ever to be born in a circus!" -- was born "a MONTH before the talking apes arrived on Earth" . . . and the baby chimp that Zira exchanged for her "Baby Milo" (whom Armando re-named 'Caesar' eventually) had been named 'Salome'. The baby chimp, I'm convinced, was named after Saint Salome, whose feast day is October 22nd. Armando, ever the good Catholic -- who wears a St. Francis of Assisi medallion, which he bequeaths to Zira's newborn baby -- undoubtedly named Heloise's baby girl 'Salome' because she had been born on October 22, 1973, the feast day of St. Salome. One month later puts us on November 22, 1973 -- or even possibly November 23, 1973, so that the EARTH-TIME clock's date ends up 1,982 years earlier from what it read on Doomsday -- "11-23-3955" -- perhaps to the very day ("11-23-1973") or possibly one day earlier, the 10th anniversary of JFK's murder. JFK's murder was followed by the notorious "Warren Commission" -- a Presidential Commission of Inquiry headed by Chief Justice Earl Warren -- just as the arrival of the "Ape-onauts" was followed by the creation of another Presidential Commission of Inquiry. I have a hunch that Paul Dehn was well aware of the fact that the events of ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES was set 10 years after the JFK murder, and hinted as much by naming the baby chimp 'Salome' -- which points to the calendar date October 22 -- having that birth predate the arrival of the Apes "a month" afterwards, with that Presidential Commission being formed to deal with it. By the time ESCAPE was made, public dissatisfaction with the Warren Commission was already growing by leaps and bounds. Dehn, though, made sure that the fictional President portrayed by William Windom was not the corrupt Nixon-like POTUS steeped in scandal, or like the LBJ-type POTUS who had gotten America mired in the Vietnam War. But the next film -- CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES -- would make Gov. Breck into a cross between Nixon and Hitler, with Nixon's "Enemies List" being echoed by Breck's "Achilles List" and with Breck's underground 'Command Post' being reminiscent of Hitler's Fuhrerbunker.
That's what makes better sense, using Brent's ship. In fact, if you look at the posts below from @richardruff8712, he's worked out a brilliant and detailed explanation that makes complete sense out of all the "holes" in Escapes.
It begs the question as to how they were able to repair and launch the spacecraft from the planet of the apes with only hours left before earth's certain destruction. How did they manage to launch it?
That's the big question. They were really grasping at ideas to try to continue the franchise and avoided any rational explanation as to how this rather medieval ape civilization found, fixed and got working this futuristic starship, let alone how to work it. It can only be speculated on.
- Hello, my friend! Yes, I have done just that - suggested they check out your posts. I’ve done that with some others who have wondered about the same question.😊
@@morlockmeat Hi again, Yep, I noticed that you have referred to my theory a couple of times to other viewers... I have checked out many YT channels, and on google, etc,... and I have STILL not found any alternative theory which would satisfy the events of the 3 films... I am convinced that the only sensible and ' fairly believable ' theory, is that Brent's ship was in the upright position, and ready for immediate launch... Everybody else's wild theories just do not have enough time to be put into practice by the Apes... We must try to educate the viewers about my theory... Whenever I see another question from a new viewer, I will continue to suggest my theory, hope you will do the same... Regards from George Taylor...
Where did you get this? I saw the original at the Fox theater in Tucson '68. And I just read the French book. I'm geezin' and loving it. Peace on earth.
Glad you enjoyed. I just put it together with the stills that were available and the voices that another TH-camr had made. I just extended the little story and animated bits of it. I also threw in some of the original voices for more continuity. Thanks for the great comment! 😊
Hi to Morlockmeat again... I sent part 6 recently ( giving details of where we can see the studio prop, and the appropriate website details... Maybe you did not see it... I will send part 6 again, if you want it...
@@morlockmeat Hi again Morlockmeat, I sent the following ( final part ) of my theory on 2nd November, it is on the comments below, doesn't matter, as here we go with the last part, this time it is about the Studio Prop, of the wonderfully shaped spacecraft... After all the films, etc. We should be grateful that it has been rebuilt into the superb display at the AirShow... My Icarus Project plan part 6 Hello to Morlockmeat... I don’t think we can send images using comments on TH-cam, so I am providing the web addresses ( as best I can ) showing the images of the studio prop.... and where it appears on TH-cam videos... As Zaius said... Be warned, Taylor... You may not like what you find.. ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ For 2 nice images of Icarus on top of a Redstone Rocket... next to Gemini and Mercury models... Just Google :- Hobbyist forums page 4 the Icarus - which version though. Hit images.... Hit the second image ( states DAEDALUS ) of ship sticking out of water.... Index down the images, you should find the 2 Redstone Rocket images at the bottom of display... * If you cannot find them, are you on Facebook ?.. I can send them easily enough that way... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ For 2 sad images of the studio prop used as a Hotel signpost..... the POTA ship on hotel frontage on... www.goingfaster.com/icarus/billritchiefate.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Where it was used for the film “ The Illustrated Man “ starring Rod Steiger and Claire Bloom.... The film was in 3 parts, we are only interested in part 2, called “ The Long Rain “, supposedly set on Venus, in torrential rain.... here are some clips on TH-cam... Just type in.... Planet of the Apes (1968) Starship Icarus resin model kit overview part 2 ... by fucheduck... From 4:14 to 5:08, shows inside the ship ( he reaches in through the front window to get a torch ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On TH-cam, type in.... The Illustrated Man 1969 Theatrical Trailer ... by robatsea2009... at about 2:16 of 2:52 video length... A very brief appearance, where we see the words UNIFIED STATES OF EARTH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Google, type in... forum.quartertothree.com/t/favorite-spaceships/67119/117?page=6 This shows an image of the ship on Venus, surrounded by trees and mud, but it is definitely the ship of Virdon and Burke... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also some good scenes of James Franciscus, in the film “ Marooned “.... where he is in a Apollo Command Module... Could easily be used for our POTA film remake !!!..... It is on TH-cam... In my opinion, James Franciscus had the aura and look of the blond, blue eyed all American hero... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There’s a blurry image of Taylor’s ship, in the upright position ( similar to Virdon & Burke’s ship outside the hotel ) sitting outside the Studios, I guess in the 1970’s.. Will try to get the web address.. Just found it... sfwriter.com/2006/12/bottom-of-taylors-starship-revealed.html Note:- I am 100 % convinced that the Studio prop was much bigger than that which we see in the lake, known as Lake Powell... Because we saw Taylor walking back to the cryo-chambers, and, as everyone knows, Charlton Heston was tall, about 6 feet and 3 inches... There are some black & white images which show the studio prop being assembled in the studio... I consider that the studio prop was 50 % bigger than the Lake Powell prop... This is all that I have found, so far... If I can find any more, I will let you know... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morlockmeat, I just want to mention that I do NOT have any copyright on my theory...I don’t really care to contact any of the sites which you mentioned, but, if YOU would like to submit the 5 parts to those websites, just mention that you, ( and an associate ), have come up with this believable plan... Also, whenever we see any new contributors making comments on TH-cam, where they are unclear about how the Apes got away, and how they knew when to blast-off, please feel free to use the appropriate parts of the theory, to explain to the untrained masses... I will be posting the relevant parts, in future, hope you will do also... I notice that you are mentioning me and the theory, to other contributors... Please do, hopefully people will stop being totally confused by the entire POTA universe... ! Finally, I live in Doncaster, England... Do you live in USA, the Land of the free ?... And, I cannot help but notice, but your image makes you look EXACTLY like Rod Taylor in the Time Machine !!! ... IMO, the best ever version of the film, far better than the remakes... Best wishes...
@@richardruff8712 - Indeed we do. Too bad a little film couldn't be made showing one crashing and one soft-landing, with Brent running over to try to save Skipper.
@@morlockmeatHaving checked the scene at the start of Beneath.... I am almost certain that Skipper's ship actually landed in the upright position.... ( judging by the scorched soil pattern on the sand )... and then toppled over and then the engine compartment only, exploded and burned out... As we can see that the crew cockpit appears almost undamaged... Judging by your comment, I get the impression that you are beginning to agree that my theory is believable... Your " little film " would prove, once and for all, exactly how the 3 Apes were able to take off, and thus make a perfect linkage between " Beneath " & " Escape "... And nobody could ever argue it. The key is that Brent arrived in a 3 man crew ship, and the Apes used that ship to get away before the bomb exploded... Problem solved !
@@richardruff8712 - I am leaning toward your theory more and more. I just wish they made it a bit more clear in the films - a single sentence, a single scene or shot. If I had the resources, I'd love to do a short scene showing this and even showing Brent's face, however briefly, using a bit of AI computer tech to do it, and use James Franciscus' image on an similarly built actor. Even showing the Apes coming across the ship. That would be a great featurette!
Hi again Morlockmeat... I have sent part 6 twice now, and, although it appears perfectly on my screen, I have learned that TH-cam will block it, if there are references to other web addresses... So I assume that you are NOT getting anything at all on your computer... Are you on facebook ? If so, can you give me your address, and I can send part 6 with no problems...
Hi Richard! That's weird. I have posted other web sites on YT and didn't have a problem. I'm afraid I don't do Facebook. Try sending it to this address - comploo@aol.com - and I'll let you know when I get it.
@@morlockmeat Before I try anything else, I have changed the way I have written the web addresses... I am now sending part 6 again, please let me know if you get it.... OK here goes... My Icarus Project plan part 6 alternate web description Hello to Morlockmeat... I don’t think we can send images using comments on TH-cam, so I am providing the web addresses ( as best I can ) showing the images of the studio prop.... and where it appears on TH-cam videos... As Zaius said... Be warned, Taylor... You may not like what you find.. ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ For 2 nice images of Icarus on top of a Redstone Rocket... next to Gemini and Mercury models... Just Google :- Hobbyist forums page 4 the Icarus - which version though. Hit images.... Hit the second image ( states DAEDALUS ) of ship sticking out of water.... Index down the images, you should find the 2 Redstone Rocket images at the bottom of display... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ For 2 sad images of the studio prop used as a Hotel signpost..... Just Google:- billritchiefate.. Hit images, go down to two images of ship upright on Goingfaster.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Where it was used for the film “ The Illustrated Man “ starring Rod Steiger and Claire Bloom.... The film was in 3 parts, we are only interested in part 2, called “ The Long Rain “, supposedly set on Venus, in torrential rain.... here are some clips on TH-cam... Just type in.... Planet of the Apes (1968) Starship Icarus resin model kit overview part 2 ... by fucheduck... From 4:14 to 5:08, shows inside the ship ( he reaches in through the front window to get a torch ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On TH-cam, type in.... The Illustrated Man 1969 Theatrical Trailer ... by robatsea2009... at about 2:16 of 2:52 video length... A very brief appearance, where we see the words UNIFIED STATES OF EARTH ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Google, type in... forum.quartertothree.com/t/favorite-spaceships/67119/117?page=6 This shows an image of the ship on Venus, surrounded by trees and mud, but it is definitely the ship of Virdon and Burke... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also some good scenes of James Franciscus, in the film “ Marooned “.... where he is in a Apollo Command Module... Could easily be used for our POTA film remake !!!..... It is on TH-cam... In my opinion, James Franciscus had the aura and look of the blond, blue eyed all American hero... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ There’s a blurry image of Taylor’s ship, in the upright position ( similar to Virdon & Burke’s ship outside the hotel ) sitting outside the Studios, I guess in the 1970’s.. Just Google :- bottom of Taylor’s starship revealed... Hit images, first image of the ship sitting at the corner of the Studios... Note:- I am 100 % convinced that the Studio prop was much bigger than that which we see in the lake, known as Lake Powell... Because we saw Taylor walking back to the cryo-chambers, and, as everyone knows, Charlton Heston was tall, about 6 feet and 3 inches... There are some black & white images which show the studio prop being assembled in the studio... I consider that the studio prop was 50 % bigger than the Lake Powell prop... This is all that I have found, so far... If I can find any more, I will let you know... Morlockmeat, I just want to mention that I do NOT have any copyright on my theory...I don’t really care to contact any of the sites which you mentioned, but, if you would like to submit the 5 parts to those websites, just mention that you, ( and an associate ), have come up with this believable plan... Also, whenever we see any new contributors making comments on TH-cam, where they are unclear about how the Apes got away, and how they knew when to blast-off, please feel free to use the appropriate parts of the theory, to explain to the untrained masses... I notice that you have mentioned me and the Theory to several contributors... I will be posting the relevant parts, in future, hope you will do also... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have found a blurry image, of the Lander and Taylor’s ship, up in orbit ( the Airshow ship ) and it shows the two parts separating just apart... The Lander section is near us, and Taylor’s ship is facing away... We can see the rear hatch in the rear bulkhead... I will try to get the Address... Finally, I live in Doncaster, England... Do you live in USA, the Land of the free ?
Planet of the Apes was a good movie. Beneath the Planet of the Apes was almost good, but went off the rails in the third act. Escape from the Planet of the Apes, went off the rails in the first scene, and eventually came to a stop next door to The Beverly Hillbillies. What's surprising is that they never took this to its logical conclusion. They never made an Apes/Hillbillies crossover episode. We were all hoping to see that episode. A missed opportunity, to be sure.
Ha! I'd love to see that! I always thought they went askew right from the second movie. It could have been a great Twilight Zone kind of franchise if they didn't go into a totally goofy 1970's mutant movie. It became... silly.
Strongly disagree about Beneath. The third act is what makes it a near-masterpiece. The original is still the best, of course. But a double feature of Planet and Beneath? Mind-blowing.
I agree with you! I felt the same way too. My biggest question was how did three apes get the rocketship and modernized Astronaut costumes and escape from Earth, especially for the Medieval style of the Planet of the Apes? According to the Planet of the Apes, Apes never believed in space exploration. It was disconnected to the Beneath the Planet of the Apes.
@@timetraveler2518 Dr. Milo, Cornelius and Zira had access to ancient knowledge and technology left behind by ancient aliens. Does anyone believe humans could create that?
@@timetraveler2518 - Yes, totally disconnected. Remember, Cornelius and Zira were incredulous about Taylor's paper airplane . And we never saw this, but it seemed to me that they didn't even have any kind of shipping technology or knowledge, let alone salvaging knowledge. I'm surprised they had guns and cameras!
Hi to Morlockmeat... So you have received Part 1, 2 and 3 of my theory... I thought that I sent Part 4, but maybe not ?... Do you wish to receive Part 4 ( about WHY the Apes could NOT have recovered Taylor's ship from the lake )... and Part 5 ( about HOW the Apes knew the correct time to take off, in Brent's ship... when they had no knowledge of the Bomb ? )
@@morlockmeat Sorry for the delay... I thought it was understood that my theory is in FIVE parts... OK here comes part 4... My Project Icarus plan part 4 It has often been suggested that, maybe the Apes were able to somehow drag Taylor’s ship out of the lake... I think this idea is impossible, because, we know that ALL Apes do not like going in to the water... This was wonderfully shown, on the film with Helena Bonham Carter... So , how could the Apes have dived into the lake, secured a lasso onto the Ship, found the circular hatch and the air-tight seal, and pulled the spacecraft out of the water ?... Even if they had achieved this, they would still have needed to locate Skipper’s ship, and cannibalise certain spare parts... Dr. Milo would have had to design, AND BUILD, a near-light speed engine, and synthesize Aviation fuel, all within 3 weeks !!!! Also assuming that the Apes did NOT have a fully-functional Redstone Rocket, which was the method used by ANSA to launch ALL ships from the launch pad at Cape Kennedy..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The alternative, of simply using Brent’s ready-to-go spacecraft... NO CONTEST... ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So we know that 5 ships were sent up by ANSA, either to Orion, or Alpha Centauri, with at least twelve astronauts... It seems that all the ships approached their targets, but ALL ships met the Hasslein curve, and all were thrown back to their original start point... But each seemed to arrive back on Earth, at different times ( depending on the departure time, and speed relative to Taylors speed )... So the question... In the POTA universe, maybe EVERY ship sent out ... Is guaranteed to come back ? Which causes us to ask... Is there any truth in the rumour that space is “ curved “... and no matter where we go, we will always return to the start point ?.. Similar to the “ Age of Exploration “... The experts said that the Earth was flat... But it took Ferdinand Magellan to continuously keep on sailing Westwards, and eventually returned to his start point from the East... proving the Earth was round... If you check Taylor's monologue as he is smoking his cigar, he states that, in space, everything seems different... Time bends.... End of part 4....
@@richardruff8712 - Hi Richard! Again, it all makes perfect sense. Your logic is quite sound. I just couldn't see the Apes salvaging Taylor's ship from the water. Just couldn't justify that in my head. Continuing to save your presentation to my "Ape" notes. Fire away with the next part! 🐵
@@morlockmeat Hi again.. Just before I send part 5, just wanted to let you know that I have a list of web sites showing what the studio prop was used for, AFTER the TV series, and nice photos of the Icarus model sitting on top of a Redstone Rocket.. Looks great.. Will send details in a de facto part 6.. However, here is part 5, how did the Apes know when to leave, if they had no knowledge of the Alpha-Omega bomb... My Icarus Project plan part 5 A question often asked is :- How did the 3 Apes, sitting in the spacecraft on the ground, know when it was the right time to blast off, if they had no knowledge of the Alpha-Omega bomb ?? This is a reasonable question, and there seems to be no SENSIBLE solution currently available.... O.K. here is the SENSIBLE answer... I have checked the Google map of the New York area.... We know that the Alpha-Omega bomb was in St. Patricks Cathedral, near Central Park, Manhattan.. We know that Brent and Nova went in to Queensboro Plaza Station, just across the East River... It has been determined that Taylor’s ship sank in the lake, in the area of Long Island Sound, between Long Island and New Haven, Connecticut... It is my theory that Skipper’s ship, and Brent’s ship, landed a bit further away, near the popular tourist place known as Montauk Point Lighthouse, at the eastern tip of Long Island... So it suggests that, the 3 Apes were sitting in Brent’s ship ( or the Auto-pilot ship ) and they were not sure when to take off... So our hero Taylor presses the button, and the bomb explodes.... The 3 Apes, about 100 miles away, see the flash of light, and the start of the huge dome of the nuclear blast... For a few seconds, the Apes are stunned, but, as they watch the nuclear fire rapidly spread out, approaching their position, Milo states... “ O.K. we’re not waiting any longer... Let’s go ! “... And Milo presses the large green button at the centre of the front panel ( as Brent told him to do )... The Auto-pilot instantly launches the ship, and the 3 Apes watch the nuclear holocaust cover the Eastern coast of America... As the ship gains standard Earth orbit, the Apes watch the entire planet engulfed in flame, and see the horizon melting away... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As the Duke of Wellington stated after the battle of Waterloo... That was a close-run thing ! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Having gained standard orbit, the ship ( with the 3 Apes aboard ) then docks automatically with the ( never seen ) huge propulsion module, and the Auto-pilot immediately sets course back along it’s route... The ship then hits the reverse side of the Mobius Strip, and returns to Earth, in the PAST... Finally arriving off the coast of California... Then starts the film Escape from the POTA.... Note:- The ship HAD to hit the reverse side of the Mobius Strip, in order to go BACK in time... If the ship had hit the forward side of the Mobius Strip, then the Apes would have been transported FORWARD in time, and would have arrived in orbit around a radio-active cinder, in the year 5937... So my answer to the question... How did the Apes know when to blast-off ? ... Is simply this... They saw the approaching nuclear Armageddon , and just pressed the launch button... The on-board computer did everything else... Straight forward and simple answer... This completes my theory of the Planet of the Apes... A realistic and sensible solution....
@@richardruff8712 - Hi Richard! Happy Halloween! (Don't know if you have it, wherever you may be in the world.) Here's my hat-tip to Halloween - I was Cornelius one year when I was a kid. I cut up a rubber chimp mask and spirit glued the pieces to my face. Ha! Glued fake hair to my face and hands, too! Sure was a pain in the butt to get it all off. My Mum even sacrificed one of her old wigs for my venture. Amazing how you were able to pinpoint each section visited in the first two films. I just thought, very generally, New York and BOY was the landscape altered from nuclear war and 2000 years. You've managed to put all the sequences of events and where they took place into total perspective, though. Fascinating! It works extremely well. You make me wish I had the skills and tools to turn your details into a film. Great job! I applaud your mental efforts on this. You really should see if one or more of the POTA sites would publish it. By the way - You should title it the last line in your last post to me - - - My Theory of the Planet of the Apes... A Realistic and Sensible Solution... Certainly! Please do send along the list of web sites you mentioned. I wonder if I know any of them. I eat this stuff up. Until then... 🦍
Nice video, pretty much follows the script of the film... But just one observation... The ship entering the atmosphere is clearly the 4 man crew ship of Taylor ( or Skipper ? ), yet, magically, when it has surfaced in the water, the ship has morphed into the 3 man crew ship of Brent ( or Virdon & Burke ? ).... Yet more confusion from the POTA universe...
@@morlockmeat Don't get me started on the problem of the paintwork on the various ships... !!!! Virdon & Burke's ship had no paint left as it lay on the ground, having peeled off as the ship entered the atmosphere... Yet Taylor's ship had perfect paintwork, so did Skipper's ship... Comments ?
@@richardruff8712 - Ha! There was probably no paint on Virdon and Burke's ship because the studio didn't want to put in the time and money to spruce-up the poor rundown prop. 😆 But as to speculating why the various ships' finishes were so different, I couldn't say, other than studio expense differences. Yes, Taylor's ship should have had more burning to it, even though it fell in water. Skipper's ship was heavily damaged, but still, the thing crashed on land, fercryinoutloud! Ha! And let's just say Virdon and Burke's was messed up because it crashed through the lush growth of trees and bushes of the beautiful landscape that was THAT period of the planet of apes 😄. (And had dogs.)🤔😖
@@morlockmeatWow... good comment... All the cats and dogs were killed at some early stage of the simian flu ( I think )... V&B's ship ( and the earlier ship ) were launched in 1980, aiming for Alpha Centauri... But a Hasslein curve took them both back to Earth...The first ship arriving in 3073, and V&B's ship arriving in June 3085... according to the Timeline.... !
@@richardruff8712 - Right. That was my instant beef with the series - the first scene showing an Ape child playing with a DOG. Did ANYONE on that production even see the movies?!?
It was supposed to be Taylor's ship, but...Really?!? They didn't know what a paper airplane was! 😂 And Cornelius saying to Taylor "Fly?! What for? Where would it get you?" Come on, now... 🤨🤭
Cornelius explains when he and Zira are testifying before the committee. Dr. Milo was way ahead of his time and it was he who salvaged the Icarus, studied it and, as Cornelius put it, half understood it.
Hi to Morlockmeat... Any chance you can give an email address,as I have a theory, which allows to include Virdon & Burke's ship.. AND the earlier ship.... Yes, the one before V&B, ... so in my plan, all 5 ships would be sensibly accounted for... It is a 2 page analysis, so probably too much info for YT... Hope to hear from you.
Hey Richard - I can't give my email address here, but I would love to hear your analysis. And, I'm sure, others would too. I hope you feel free to post it here. I've gotten some pretty long responses from others, at times. 😊 If not, we'll work something out.
@@morlockmeat OK... What I may try to do, is to send my theory, perhaps in 2 or 3 "episodes"... so that you, or anyone can splice it together, to make a timeline which makes sense... Here'a a tasty morsel, ha ha... It is all about the 5 ships travelling at speeds relative to Taylor's speed... And ALL ships hit the Hasslein curve problem... more later.
@@morlockmeat OK, I have written it out, old fashioned, on paper... I am now typing on to Word documents... Will try to send ( one at a time ) on replys... In a few days time... Just one more tasty morsel... I will be including the option of Brent being on Skipper's ship, and the 3rd ship is on full auto-pilot.... Just to placate the " nay-sayers " out there...
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It was Brent`s ship that came back because the year 3955 was mentioned by Brent and Escape does mention the year 3955, Taylor`s ship had a date of 3978. Taylor`s ship was bigger and Brent`s ship was smaller 3 seater and sent to investigate what happened to Taylor and company, ANSA now called NASA in Escape lied and said it was Taylor`s ship in order to protect their jobs and keep the funding coming in. Brent`s ship was on land and easy to get to and install the emergency hatch back unlike Taylors where the hatch was lost in the depths.
“Super easy - barely an inconvenience”! They just dragged the Icarus out of the lake, constructed an ape launch site with wood, stone, and vines, and refueled the the rocket with mango juice!
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Always wondered how thay do that in a few weeks? Dam smart 🐒 !
@@butchkaminsky9470 - 😆😆😆
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Besides that, how did they know to escape in the first place ; HOW did they know about a doomsday bomb and when exactly to leave?
Death of the Planet of the Apes (by Andrew E.C. Gaska):
The sea was dead. Few living apes knew what catastrophe had befallen the area surrounding it, deep in the Forbidden Zone-only that it had been this way for centuries. On its shore, a metal monster gleamed in the afternoon sun. Its nose was conical and sharp, its fused silica eyes set wide. Its shell was hard and battle-worn, and behind what appeared to be wings it tapered to a crumpled, splender, tubular tail. It was gigantic and intimidating. Worse than that, it was alien. A name was stamped brazenly on the side of the tail: Liberty 1. It had been waterlogged, seemingly stuck to the bottom of the inland sea for all time, but nature had another idea. Air pockets trapped within its shell had conspired with a raging storm to dislodge the object from its watery grave. The apes at the site had taken advantage of that, lassoed several lines to the behemoth, and guided it to shore. It beached hard on the rocky crags, irreparably damaging the long cylindrical tube which formed its tail. Once it was partially out of the water, the apes had labored to build a dam around it and drain that small section of lake. They removed the vessel's sole occupant, the desicatted corpse of a strangely garbed human female, and buried her beneath a rocky pile some thirty yards from the waterline. Poring over sun-dried manuals found in the behemoth's belly, the apes had located the ship's power source, and discovered how to reactivate it. They had removed circuit boards and let them dry out in the sun before replacing them in their designated slots.
Would love to read more!
I always wondered how they managed to retrieve and fix up the liberty 1 😀 Thanks, the info is appreciated 👍
That's quite an imagination you have. Good for you!!
I have always assumed that was Brent's ship they came back in, and it had not landed n the water and sunk. Anyway, I think would like to read the rest of that book, or story, whichever.
Text was enhanced by an especially chilling illustration of an apes encounter with the remains of Lt. Stewart.
If anyone is interested, the countdown is from the movie "Journey To The Far Side Of The Sun", and "we're off!, shot into space with the speed of a bullet!" is Lionel Jefferies in "The First Men In The Moon".
Great ear! And you know your movies. I commend you, fellow film buff. 😄✌
Scanning through all the comments on this ( and other similar videos ) it seems that many viewers are asking about HOW was the Icarus ship actually powered, and HOW did the 3 Apes manage to get away from the Earth, just before our hero Taylor destroyed the planet ? Whenever anyone asks, I am putting the following explanation... Hope this makes sense...
Please google... Liberty 2 Lander... and check out images... On the original POTA film, we never saw the lower half of the ship...The theory is that, when contact was lost with Taylor, then Earth sent out TWO rescue ships... One was a 4 man crew ship, the same as Taylor's ship, piloted by Skipper ( with 3 empty seats ), and the other was a 3 man crew ship, piloted by Brent ( with 2 empty seats )... So now we are at the start of Beneath the POTA film, and Skipper's ship has crashed on the desert... Note that we never see Brent's ship, but we must assume that it landed successfully in the upright position... Move forward to the end, where Taylor presses the doomsday button... We can assume that Brent told Cornelius, Zira and Milo where his ship was located, and that all they had to do was to go on board, and sit back and press the auto-pilot button, and the ship would take off and return to Earth... So, our hero Taylor has destroyed the Earth, and the 3 Apes have witnessed it, as they take off ( As Zira described watching the horizon turn orange )... Now we start the film Escape from the POTA, and we see Brent's 3 man crew ship being pulled out of the water ( Note... NOT Taylor's 4 man crew ship )... I think this is the only possible explanation as to how the 3 Apes return to Earth in a different ship to Taylor's ship...
Very astute theory. I like that. But, I thought it was apparent that Brent and Skipper were together on the same flight - the rescue mission for Taylor and crew. There was never any sign of a separate ship for Skipper. Your theory would make sense if there was a third ship (not counting the POTA series ship, of course, which was in tact, but blown up by the apes. This was also hundreds of years before Taylor reaching the first film's time period.) What gave you the impression that Brent came in a separate ship?
@@morlockmeat At the start of the Beneath the POTA film, it is obvious that Skipper's ship is a total write-off, and that Skipper was severely injured, and soon died.... Yet Brent was in perfect health, and not a scratch on him... If they had been in the same cockpit, I would have expected that Brent would have had some type of burns, lacerations, torn clothing, etc... But, my theory holds up, if Brent had got out of his ship, and walked over to the remains of Skipper's ship... As for the POTA series, I, sadly, do NOT include that storyline in my analysis, as I do not consider it to be a sensible part of the POTA storyline... Indeed, my theory only covers the 3 films..? Finally, I am trying to carefully study the actual words spoken between Skipper and Brent, ( and perhaps later, when Taylor meets Brent ) to see if there is any conclusive evidence that they were both on the same ship, or if there is, at least, a possibility of TWO ships... ( One of which was fully intact and operational, and ready for take-off )...
@@richardruff8712 - Ha! I do agree not to include the series as part of this whole thing. Too many inconsistencies right from the very first scene in the very first episode. But, your points are well taken. Brent was unscathed. Yet, as far as I can recall, there was no mention of a second ship. I would be very interested to hear from you if you find more details on this that so many of us have missed. It would clear up much of the inconsistencies and make better sense for the introduction of Escape. Very interesting conversation. It opened my mind to these possibilities. 🤔🙂🐵
@@morlockmeat Yes, an interesting discussion, I agree... Have checked the final scripts of all 3 films, but cannot find any DEFINITIVE words to confirm a second rescue ship... or not ! .. At start of Beneath, Skipper asks what sun it is, but Brent says the computers are broken.. ( definitely on Skipper's ship, but if Brent's ship was in a perfect condition, then Brent should have known that the sun above, was, in fact, OUR sun. )... Later, when Brent and Nova see Ape City, Brent says " I need to get away, up in to the air again. This place is Planet Nightmare ! "... Legally, an absence of proof, is not proof of an absence... I still think that, if we can consider the possibility of Brent's fully intact ship, ready for take-off, then it absolutely enables the 3 Apes to get away... For the last few years, I have not seen any plausible alternative theory, as to how on Earth the Apes managed to get away... Sorry for the pun !!!
@@richardruff8712 - Ha-ha! Pun accepted. I guess there is no reason NOT to hypothesize that Brent had his own ship. It certainly would make everything fit better and make better sense. I always found it so hard to think that Milo, as great of an Ape mind he might have had, salvaged Taylor's ship, cleaned it up and got it working, and leaned everything he needed to know to get off the planet, all in an Ape era that was equivalent to our 13th century, where the sight of a paper airplane was astonishing and they didn't know about boating and sailing ships, could possibly have lead them into the 3rd film. Maybe he was Milo de Vinci? 😁
Anyway, it's fun to speculate. Maybe I'll re-make the beginning of this little film, using the images that were on that site you mentioned, with the re-built ship at that air show.
Excellent!!
Never seen this Part. I have the Hole Series with all the Episodes. Just show them
in the Sea (That when they went through
a Time Tunnel and landed on Earth after they left the Earth in the Future). They should of put the Earth's destruction at the First End of the Episodes and then the 3 Apes returning to Earth in the Future, in the Second End of the Episodes. Anyway :"The Planet of the Apes" was an Excellent Series to watch, in the 60, 70, 80, 90 (Made in the 60s). Why it showed what will happen in the Future if Man Destroys him self with a Nuclear War. Like many Other Earth like and Alien like Intelligent Civilisations, that lived in the
Past ( Any Time from 500 000 BC -- 10 000 BC).There were 7 Ice Ages too in the Past. The last one was in 40 000 BC -- 10 000 BC.Any way, Charles Heston played in many moves like this:"The Planet of the Apes, The Omega Man, Soilen Green," showing us what would happen if there was a Nuclear War, Virus and Over Population that could happen not on this Planet, but also on Other Earth Like Planets ( With an Earth Like Biology), plus Human most there Intelligent Civilisations. I'm happy to have learned alot from these Three Moves. I'm also happy I lived in these Times. Thank you Charles Heston. GOD Bless. 🍷🍾🍫🌹😢
The irony is that it was Charlton Heston who destroyed the Earth after all! 🤔😆🤨
@@morlockmeat I assume you are referring to the Charlton Heston who has been a leading advocate of the " right to bear guns " lobby in USA.
@@richardruff8712 - I was referring to the films that Heston was in, warning of the different and dismal futures of Mankind, but, ironically, THAT Charlton Heston, yes. I thought he enjoyed shooting Apes a little too much. 😉
The ship's computer beeping noises sounds weirdly familliar, from Star trek TOS?
Yes, they some Trek sounds. Good ear! 😉
Its not Taylors ship , it is Brents ship which we never see in the previous films. We have to presume it was intact and could take off from land without rocket fuel.
That's a perfect explanation. 😃🐵
Please just scroll back, and see my explanation of it all... I agree that it is Brent's ship in which the 3 Apes return to the Pacific Ocean, just off the coast of California... The lovely Icarus ship at the Air-show, allows us to see how it would have taken off, fully fuelled, and the on-board auto-pilot would have returned them to Earth... My theory DOES work, and demonstrates how they arrive on Earth in a 3 man ship ... ( and NOT a 4 man ship )... The only workable method, is that Brent's ( unseen ) ship is a 3 man ship, fully intact, and ready for an immediate launch ( just before Taylor presses the button on the bomb )....
If you scroll through the comments, look for @richardruff8712 and you’ll see his detailed theory makes complete sense. He’s worked the whole thing out.😊
@@morlockmeat Hi again my friend... It seems that we must both make it our ' mission ' to get everyone to read my theory.... Then there shouldn't be any more confusion out there... It seems that a lot of people are starting to accept that the 3 Apes used Brent's ship to get away from the POTA....
This is a link between the end of Beneath the Planet of the Apes and Escape from Planet of the Apes, on the assumption that there was an Ape space program and three of them escaped before the God Bomb went off. The causality of the entire franchise is so bonkers, sure, let's assume that Apes escaped in a space craft before the Bomb at the end of Beneath the Planet of the Apes. 🐵
Actually, they didn't have an ape-space program. The absurdity of the whole idea was that Dr. Milo, an ape from a civilization that couldn't even comprehend the concept of a paper airplane, salvaged Taylor's space craft, figured out, not only how to repair it, but also fly the damn thing, in order to... escape from the planet of the apes! To me, the franchise took a drastic left turn with Beneath the Planet of the Apes. Too bad, because it could've been a more interesting commentary on society, had they followed up in a smarter way.
But as silly as the movies became, I love the franchise. 😁
@@morlockmeat Dr. Milo, Cornelius and Zira had access to ancient knowledge and technology left behind by ancient aliens. Does anyone believe humans could create that?
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@@morlockmeat My biggest criticism of Escape, which is actually just very much the original novel in reverse, is Cornelius' dialog about the apes knowing their origin and celebrating the ape who said "No." Tat is just such a jarring discontinuity with the first two movies. It would have been so easy, and so smoothly continuous with the first movie and the original novel, to have him say that these were things he and Zira had discovered in their research.
@@odysseusrex5908 - I agree. 🙂🙈🙉🙊
Allow me to argue here that the EARTH-TIME date after the Timewarp ought not to be "09-14-1973" (as this video has it), but either "11-22-1973" (the 10th anniversary of the JFK assassination) or "11-23-1973" (i.e. exactly 1,982 years before Doomsday). Why? Armando tells Gov. Breck that his missing chimpanzee -- "The only chimpanzee ever to be born in a circus!" -- was born "a MONTH before the talking apes arrived on Earth" . . . and the baby chimp that Zira exchanged for her "Baby Milo" (whom Armando re-named 'Caesar' eventually) had been named 'Salome'. The baby chimp, I'm convinced, was named after Saint Salome, whose feast day is October 22nd. Armando, ever the good Catholic -- who wears a St. Francis of Assisi medallion, which he bequeaths to Zira's newborn baby -- undoubtedly named Heloise's baby girl 'Salome' because she had been born on October 22, 1973, the feast day of St. Salome. One month later puts us on November 22, 1973 -- or even possibly November 23, 1973, so that the EARTH-TIME clock's date ends up 1,982 years earlier from what it read on Doomsday -- "11-23-3955" -- perhaps to the very day ("11-23-1973") or possibly one day earlier, the 10th anniversary of JFK's murder. JFK's murder was followed by the notorious "Warren Commission" -- a Presidential Commission of Inquiry headed by Chief Justice Earl Warren -- just as the arrival of the "Ape-onauts" was followed by the creation of another Presidential Commission of Inquiry.
I have a hunch that Paul Dehn was well aware of the fact that the events of ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES was set 10 years after the JFK murder, and hinted as much by naming the baby chimp 'Salome' -- which points to the calendar date October 22 -- having that birth predate the arrival of the Apes "a month" afterwards, with that Presidential Commission being formed to deal with it. By the time ESCAPE was made, public dissatisfaction with the Warren Commission was already growing by leaps and bounds. Dehn, though, made sure that the fictional President portrayed by William Windom was not the corrupt Nixon-like POTUS steeped in scandal, or like the LBJ-type POTUS who had gotten America mired in the Vietnam War. But the next film -- CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES -- would make Gov. Breck into a cross between Nixon and Hitler, with Nixon's "Enemies List" being echoed by Breck's "Achilles List" and with Breck's underground 'Command Post' being reminiscent of Hitler's Fuhrerbunker.
Very astute and detailed observations. I think an entire documentary could be made just about the histories of these 3 films, alone. 😊
I originally thought they salvaged Brent's ship. That was the only feasible option and that' requires a huge stretch of the imagination.
That's what makes better sense, using Brent's ship. In fact, if you look at the posts below from @richardruff8712, he's worked out a brilliant and detailed explanation that makes complete sense out of all the "holes" in Escapes.
Hmm! Interesting! Good dovetail work indeed!
They should’ve went with this intro, instead of leaving it on the cutting room floor.
I agree. 😊
Very interesting
Well done. very, very well done.
It begs the question as to how they were able to repair and launch the spacecraft from the planet of the apes with only hours left before earth's certain destruction. How did they manage to launch it?
That's the big question. They were really grasping at ideas to try to continue the franchise and avoided any rational explanation as to how this rather medieval ape civilization found, fixed and got working this futuristic starship, let alone how to work it. It can only be speculated on.
@@morlockmeat Hi, my friend... Just guide these viewers to my explanation... It all works out..... Brent's ship is the answer....
- Hello, my friend! Yes, I have done just that - suggested they check out your posts. I’ve done that with some others who have wondered about the same question.😊
@@morlockmeat Hi again, Yep, I noticed that you have referred to my theory a couple of times to other viewers... I have checked out many YT channels, and on google, etc,... and I have STILL not found any alternative theory which would satisfy the events of the 3 films... I am convinced that the only sensible and ' fairly believable ' theory, is that Brent's ship was in the upright position, and ready for immediate launch... Everybody else's wild theories just do not have enough time to be put into practice by the Apes... We must try to educate the viewers about my theory... Whenever I see another question from a new viewer, I will continue to suggest my theory, hope you will do the same... Regards from George Taylor...
5:47 One thing that I have always hated about this movie is just how godawful these salutes are. Five year old children salute better than that.
Where did you get this?
I saw the original at the Fox theater in Tucson '68.
And I just read the French book.
I'm geezin' and loving it.
Peace on earth.
Glad you enjoyed. I just put it together with the stills that were available and the voices that another TH-camr had made. I just extended the little story and animated bits of it. I also threw in some of the original voices for more continuity.
Thanks for the great comment! 😊
@@morlockmeat Well done, sir.
@@sethflix - Thanks, Seth!
Hi to Morlockmeat again... I sent part 6 recently ( giving details of where we can see the studio prop, and the appropriate website details... Maybe you did not see it... I will send part 6 again, if you want it...
Hey, Richard! I don't see part 6 anywhere, so maybe you didn't send it. Sure! Go ahead and send it along! Looking forward to the info!
@@morlockmeat Hi again Morlockmeat, I sent the following ( final part ) of my theory on 2nd November, it is on the comments below, doesn't matter, as here we go with the last part, this time it is about the Studio Prop, of the wonderfully shaped spacecraft... After all the films, etc. We should be grateful that it has been rebuilt into the superb display at the AirShow... My Icarus Project plan part 6
Hello to Morlockmeat... I don’t think we can send images using comments on TH-cam, so I am providing the web addresses ( as best I can ) showing the images of the studio prop.... and where it appears on TH-cam videos... As Zaius said... Be warned, Taylor... You may not like what you find.. !
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For 2 nice images of Icarus on top of a Redstone Rocket... next to Gemini and Mercury models...
Just Google :- Hobbyist forums page 4 the Icarus - which version though.
Hit images....
Hit the second image ( states DAEDALUS ) of ship sticking out of water....
Index down the images, you should find the 2 Redstone Rocket images at the bottom of display...
* If you cannot find them, are you on Facebook ?.. I can send them easily enough that way...
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For 2 sad images of the studio prop used as a Hotel signpost.....
the POTA ship on hotel frontage on... www.goingfaster.com/icarus/billritchiefate.html
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Where it was used for the film “ The Illustrated Man “ starring Rod Steiger and Claire Bloom....
The film was in 3 parts, we are only interested in part 2, called “ The Long Rain “, supposedly set on Venus, in torrential rain.... here are some clips on TH-cam... Just type in....
Planet of the Apes (1968) Starship Icarus resin model kit overview part 2 ... by fucheduck...
From 4:14 to 5:08, shows inside the ship ( he reaches in through the front window to get a torch )
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On TH-cam, type in.... The Illustrated Man 1969 Theatrical Trailer ... by robatsea2009...
at about 2:16 of 2:52 video length... A very brief appearance, where we see the words
UNIFIED STATES OF EARTH
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On Google, type in... forum.quartertothree.com/t/favorite-spaceships/67119/117?page=6
This shows an image of the ship on Venus, surrounded by trees and mud, but it is definitely the ship of Virdon and Burke...
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Also some good scenes of James Franciscus, in the film “ Marooned “.... where he is in a Apollo Command Module... Could easily be used for our POTA film remake !!!..... It is on TH-cam...
In my opinion, James Franciscus had the aura and look of the blond, blue eyed all American hero...
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There’s a blurry image of Taylor’s ship, in the upright position ( similar to Virdon & Burke’s ship outside the hotel ) sitting outside the Studios, I guess in the 1970’s.. Will try to get the web address..
Just found it... sfwriter.com/2006/12/bottom-of-taylors-starship-revealed.html
Note:- I am 100 % convinced that the Studio prop was much bigger than that which we see in the lake, known as Lake Powell... Because we saw Taylor walking back to the cryo-chambers, and, as everyone knows, Charlton Heston was tall, about 6 feet and 3 inches... There are some black & white images which show the studio prop being assembled in the studio... I consider that the studio prop was 50 % bigger than the Lake Powell prop...
This is all that I have found, so far... If I can find any more, I will let you know...
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Morlockmeat, I just want to mention that I do NOT have any copyright on my theory...I don’t really care to contact any of the sites which you mentioned, but, if YOU would like to submit the 5 parts to those websites, just mention that you, ( and an associate ), have come up with this believable plan...
Also, whenever we see any new contributors making comments on TH-cam, where they are unclear about how the Apes got away, and how they knew when to blast-off, please feel free to use the appropriate parts of the theory, to explain to the untrained masses... I will be posting the relevant parts, in future, hope you will do also... I notice that you are mentioning me and the theory, to other contributors... Please do, hopefully people will stop being totally confused by the entire POTA universe... !
Finally, I live in Doncaster, England... Do you live in USA, the Land of the free ?... And, I cannot help but notice, but your image makes you look EXACTLY like Rod Taylor in the Time Machine !!! ... IMO, the best ever version of the film, far better than the remakes... Best wishes...
Thanks great to see but spoils the surprise
It only spoils it if you had no idea of what the movie is about.😊
I always wondered how the apes relaunched the spacecraft.
I STILL wonder how they could've done it! 😆
@@morlockmeat Well, at least we now have a sensible solution to this problem, thanks to Brent's ship - ready for take-off...
@@richardruff8712 - Indeed we do. Too bad a little film couldn't be made showing one crashing and one soft-landing, with Brent running over to try to save Skipper.
@@morlockmeatHaving checked the scene at the start of Beneath.... I am almost certain that Skipper's ship actually landed in the upright position.... ( judging by the scorched soil pattern on the sand )... and then toppled over and then the engine compartment only, exploded and burned out... As we can see that the crew cockpit appears almost undamaged... Judging by your comment, I get the impression that you are beginning to agree that my theory is believable... Your " little film " would prove, once and for all, exactly how the 3 Apes were able to take off, and thus make a perfect linkage between " Beneath " & " Escape "... And nobody could ever argue it. The key is that Brent arrived in a 3 man crew ship, and the Apes used that ship to get away before the bomb exploded... Problem solved !
@@richardruff8712 - I am leaning toward your theory more and more. I just wish they made it a bit more clear in the films - a single sentence, a single scene or shot. If I had the resources, I'd love to do a short scene showing this and even showing Brent's face, however briefly, using a bit of AI computer tech to do it, and use James Franciscus' image on an similarly built actor. Even showing the Apes coming across the ship. That would be a great featurette!
Hi again Morlockmeat... I have sent part 6 twice now, and, although it appears perfectly on my screen, I have learned that TH-cam will block it, if there are references to other web addresses... So I assume that you are NOT getting anything at all on your computer... Are you on facebook ? If so, can you give me your address, and I can send part 6 with no problems...
Hi Richard! That's weird. I have posted other web sites on YT and didn't have a problem. I'm afraid I don't do Facebook. Try sending it to this address - comploo@aol.com - and I'll let you know when I get it.
@@morlockmeat Before I try anything else, I have changed the way I have written the web addresses... I am now sending part 6 again, please let me know if you get it.... OK here goes... My Icarus Project plan part 6 alternate web description
Hello to Morlockmeat... I don’t think we can send images using comments on TH-cam, so I am providing the web addresses ( as best I can ) showing the images of the studio prop.... and where it appears on TH-cam videos... As Zaius said... Be warned, Taylor... You may not like what you find.. !
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For 2 nice images of Icarus on top of a Redstone Rocket... next to Gemini and Mercury models...
Just Google :- Hobbyist forums page 4 the Icarus - which version though.
Hit images....
Hit the second image ( states DAEDALUS ) of ship sticking out of water....
Index down the images, you should find the 2 Redstone Rocket images at the bottom of display...
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For 2 sad images of the studio prop used as a Hotel signpost.....
Just Google:- billritchiefate.. Hit images, go down to two images of ship upright on Goingfaster.com
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Where it was used for the film “ The Illustrated Man “ starring Rod Steiger and Claire Bloom....
The film was in 3 parts, we are only interested in part 2, called “ The Long Rain “, supposedly set on Venus, in torrential rain.... here are some clips on TH-cam... Just type in....
Planet of the Apes (1968) Starship Icarus resin model kit overview part 2 ... by fucheduck...
From 4:14 to 5:08, shows inside the ship ( he reaches in through the front window to get a torch )
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On TH-cam, type in.... The Illustrated Man 1969 Theatrical Trailer ... by robatsea2009...
at about 2:16 of 2:52 video length... A very brief appearance, where we see the words
UNIFIED STATES OF EARTH
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On Google, type in... forum.quartertothree.com/t/favorite-spaceships/67119/117?page=6
This shows an image of the ship on Venus, surrounded by trees and mud, but it is definitely the ship of Virdon and Burke...
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Also some good scenes of James Franciscus, in the film “ Marooned “.... where he is in a Apollo Command Module... Could easily be used for our POTA film remake !!!..... It is on TH-cam...
In my opinion, James Franciscus had the aura and look of the blond, blue eyed all American hero...
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There’s a blurry image of Taylor’s ship, in the upright position ( similar to Virdon & Burke’s ship outside the hotel ) sitting outside the Studios, I guess in the 1970’s..
Just Google :- bottom of Taylor’s starship revealed... Hit images, first image of the ship sitting at the corner of the Studios...
Note:- I am 100 % convinced that the Studio prop was much bigger than that which we see in the lake, known as Lake Powell... Because we saw Taylor walking back to the cryo-chambers, and, as everyone knows, Charlton Heston was tall, about 6 feet and 3 inches... There are some black & white images which show the studio prop being assembled in the studio... I consider that the studio prop was 50 % bigger than the Lake Powell prop...
This is all that I have found, so far... If I can find any more, I will let you know...
Morlockmeat, I just want to mention that I do NOT have any copyright on my theory...I don’t really care to contact any of the sites which you mentioned, but, if you would like to submit the 5 parts to those websites, just mention that you, ( and an associate ), have come up with this believable plan...
Also, whenever we see any new contributors making comments on TH-cam, where they are unclear about how the Apes got away, and how they knew when to blast-off, please feel free to use the appropriate parts of the theory, to explain to the untrained masses... I notice that you have mentioned me and the Theory to several contributors... I will be posting the relevant parts, in future, hope you will do also...
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I have found a blurry image, of the Lander and Taylor’s ship, up in orbit ( the Airshow ship ) and it shows the two parts separating just apart... The Lander section is near us, and Taylor’s ship is facing away... We can see the rear hatch in the rear bulkhead... I will try to get the Address...
Finally, I live in Doncaster, England... Do you live in USA, the Land of the free ?
Planet of the Apes was a good movie. Beneath the Planet of the Apes was almost good, but went off the rails in the third act. Escape from the Planet of the Apes, went off the rails in the first scene, and eventually came to a stop next door to The Beverly Hillbillies. What's surprising is that they never took this to its logical conclusion. They never made an Apes/Hillbillies crossover episode. We were all hoping to see that episode. A missed opportunity, to be sure.
Ha! I'd love to see that!
I always thought they went askew right from the second movie. It could have been a great Twilight Zone kind of franchise if they didn't go into a totally goofy 1970's mutant movie. It became... silly.
Strongly disagree about Beneath. The third act is what makes it a near-masterpiece. The original is still the best, of course. But a double feature of Planet and Beneath? Mind-blowing.
I agree with you! I felt the same way too. My biggest question was how did three apes get the rocketship and modernized Astronaut costumes and escape from Earth, especially for the Medieval style of the Planet of the Apes? According to the Planet of the Apes, Apes never believed in space exploration. It was disconnected to the Beneath the Planet of the Apes.
@@timetraveler2518 Dr. Milo, Cornelius and Zira had access to ancient knowledge and technology left behind by ancient aliens. Does anyone believe humans could create that?
@@timetraveler2518 - Yes, totally disconnected. Remember, Cornelius and Zira were incredulous about Taylor's paper airplane . And we never saw this, but it seemed to me that they didn't even have any kind of shipping technology or knowledge, let alone salvaging knowledge. I'm surprised they had guns and cameras!
Cheaply made but still very entertaining.
Thanks. Only still pictures survived for shots that were filmed of the apes in the space ship. So, I made do with them.
Hi to Morlockmeat... So you have received Part 1, 2 and 3 of my theory... I thought that I sent Part 4, but maybe not ?... Do you wish to receive Part 4 ( about WHY the Apes could NOT have recovered Taylor's ship from the lake )... and Part 5 ( about HOW the Apes knew the correct time to take off, in Brent's ship... when they had no knowledge of the Bomb ? )
Hey, Richard! Wow, there's more? Certainly I want to hear the rest. Fire away! I know it will be fascinating.
@@morlockmeat Sorry for the delay... I thought it was understood that my theory is in FIVE parts... OK here comes part 4... My Project Icarus plan part 4
It has often been suggested that, maybe the Apes were able to somehow drag Taylor’s ship out of the lake... I think this idea is impossible, because, we know that ALL Apes do not like going in to the water... This was wonderfully shown, on the film with Helena Bonham Carter... So , how could the Apes have dived into the lake, secured a lasso onto the Ship, found the circular hatch and the air-tight seal, and pulled the spacecraft out of the water ?... Even if they had achieved this, they would still have needed to locate Skipper’s ship, and cannibalise certain spare parts... Dr. Milo would have had to design, AND BUILD, a near-light speed engine, and synthesize Aviation fuel, all within 3 weeks !!!!
Also assuming that the Apes did NOT have a fully-functional Redstone Rocket, which was the method used by ANSA to launch ALL ships from the launch pad at Cape Kennedy.....
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The alternative, of simply using Brent’s ready-to-go spacecraft... NO CONTEST... !
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So we know that 5 ships were sent up by ANSA, either to Orion, or Alpha Centauri, with at least twelve astronauts... It seems that all the ships approached their targets, but ALL ships met the Hasslein curve, and all were thrown back to their original start point... But each seemed to arrive back on Earth, at different times ( depending on the departure time, and speed relative to Taylors speed )... So the question... In the POTA universe, maybe EVERY ship sent out ... Is guaranteed to come back ?
Which causes us to ask... Is there any truth in the rumour that space is “ curved “... and no matter where we go, we will always return to the start point ?.. Similar to the “ Age of Exploration “... The experts said that the Earth was flat... But it took Ferdinand Magellan to continuously keep on sailing Westwards, and eventually returned to his start point from the East... proving the Earth was round... If you check Taylor's monologue as he is smoking his cigar, he states that, in space, everything seems different... Time bends....
End of part 4....
@@richardruff8712 - Hi Richard! Again, it all makes perfect sense. Your logic is quite sound. I just couldn't see the Apes salvaging Taylor's ship from the water. Just couldn't justify that in my head. Continuing to save your presentation to my "Ape" notes.
Fire away with the next part! 🐵
@@morlockmeat Hi again.. Just before I send part 5, just wanted to let you know that I have a list of web sites showing what the studio prop was used for, AFTER the TV series, and nice photos of the Icarus model sitting on top of a Redstone Rocket.. Looks great.. Will send details in a de facto part 6.. However, here is part 5, how did the Apes know when to leave, if they had no knowledge of the Alpha-Omega bomb... My Icarus Project plan part 5
A question often asked is :- How did the 3 Apes, sitting in the spacecraft on the ground, know when it was the right time to blast off, if they had no knowledge of the Alpha-Omega bomb ??
This is a reasonable question, and there seems to be no SENSIBLE solution currently available....
O.K. here is the SENSIBLE answer... I have checked the Google map of the New York area....
We know that the Alpha-Omega bomb was in St. Patricks Cathedral, near Central Park, Manhattan..
We know that Brent and Nova went in to Queensboro Plaza Station, just across the East River...
It has been determined that Taylor’s ship sank in the lake, in the area of Long Island Sound, between Long Island and New Haven, Connecticut... It is my theory that Skipper’s ship, and Brent’s ship, landed a bit further away, near the popular tourist place known as Montauk Point Lighthouse, at the eastern tip of Long Island...
So it suggests that, the 3 Apes were sitting in Brent’s ship ( or the Auto-pilot ship ) and they were not sure when to take off...
So our hero Taylor presses the button, and the bomb explodes.... The 3 Apes, about 100 miles away, see the flash of light, and the start of the huge dome of the nuclear blast... For a few seconds, the Apes are stunned, but, as they watch the nuclear fire rapidly spread out, approaching their position, Milo states... “ O.K. we’re not waiting any longer... Let’s go ! “... And Milo presses the large green button at the centre of the front panel ( as Brent told him to do )... The Auto-pilot instantly launches the ship, and the 3 Apes watch the nuclear holocaust cover the Eastern coast of America...
As the ship gains standard Earth orbit, the Apes watch the entire planet engulfed in flame, and see the horizon melting away...
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As the Duke of Wellington stated after the battle of Waterloo... That was a close-run thing !
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Note:- The ship HAD to hit the reverse side of the Mobius Strip, in order to go BACK in time... If the ship had hit the forward side of the Mobius Strip, then the Apes would have been transported FORWARD in time, and would have arrived in orbit around a radio-active cinder, in the year 5937...
So my answer to the question... How did the Apes know when to blast-off ? ... Is simply this... They saw the approaching nuclear Armageddon , and just pressed the launch button... The on-board computer did everything else... Straight forward and simple answer...
This completes my theory of the Planet of the Apes... A realistic and sensible solution....
@@richardruff8712 - Hi Richard! Happy Halloween! (Don't know if you have it, wherever you may be in the world.) Here's my hat-tip to Halloween - I was Cornelius one year when I was a kid. I cut up a rubber chimp mask and spirit glued the pieces to my face. Ha! Glued fake hair to my face and hands, too! Sure was a pain in the butt to get it all off. My Mum even sacrificed one of her old wigs for my venture.
Amazing how you were able to pinpoint each section visited in the first two films. I just thought, very generally, New York and BOY was the landscape altered from nuclear war and 2000 years. You've managed to put all the sequences of events and where they took place into total perspective, though. Fascinating! It works extremely well. You make me wish I had the skills and tools to turn your details into a film. Great job! I applaud your mental efforts on this. You really should see if one or more of the POTA sites would publish it. By the way - You should title it the last line in your last post to me - - - My Theory of the Planet of the Apes... A Realistic and Sensible Solution...
Certainly! Please do send along the list of web sites you mentioned. I wonder if I know any of them. I eat this stuff up.
Until then... 🦍
Nice video, pretty much follows the script of the film... But just one observation... The ship entering the atmosphere is clearly the 4 man crew ship of Taylor ( or Skipper ? ), yet, magically, when it has surfaced in the water, the ship has morphed into the 3 man crew ship of Brent ( or Virdon & Burke ? ).... Yet more confusion from the POTA universe...
Ha! Yes, more confusion. I just used what footage I could find to tell the little story. 😊
@@morlockmeat Don't get me started on the problem of the paintwork on the various ships... !!!! Virdon & Burke's ship had no paint left as it lay on the ground, having peeled off as the ship entered the atmosphere... Yet Taylor's ship had perfect paintwork, so did Skipper's ship... Comments ?
@@richardruff8712 - Ha! There was probably no paint on Virdon and Burke's ship because the studio didn't want to put in the time and money to spruce-up the poor rundown prop. 😆 But as to speculating why the various ships' finishes were so different, I couldn't say, other than studio expense differences. Yes, Taylor's ship should have had more burning to it, even though it fell in water. Skipper's ship was heavily damaged, but still, the thing crashed on land, fercryinoutloud! Ha! And let's just say Virdon and Burke's was messed up because it crashed through the lush growth of trees and bushes of the beautiful landscape that was THAT period of the planet of apes 😄. (And had dogs.)🤔😖
@@morlockmeatWow... good comment... All the cats and dogs were killed at some early stage of the simian flu ( I think )... V&B's ship ( and the earlier ship ) were launched in 1980, aiming for Alpha Centauri... But a Hasslein curve took them both back to Earth...The first ship arriving in 3073, and V&B's ship arriving in June 3085... according to the Timeline.... !
@@richardruff8712 - Right. That was my instant beef with the series - the first scene showing an Ape child playing with a DOG. Did ANYONE on that production even see the movies?!?
What I have never understood is WHERE did the Apes get the Spaceship from ??? And How did they know how to fly and operate it ??
It was supposed to be Taylor's ship, but...Really?!? They didn't know what a paper airplane was! 😂
And Cornelius saying to Taylor "Fly?! What for? Where would it get you?" Come on, now... 🤨🤭
@@morlockmeat That is were Dr. Milo comes in.
@@albertogutierrez8653 - Yes. Genius Ape. 😄
Cornelius explains when he and Zira are testifying before the committee. Dr. Milo was way ahead of his time and it was he who salvaged the Icarus, studied it and, as Cornelius put it, half understood it.
@@donsmeltzer4083 Bingo! He explained time travel with Cornelius and Zira, when they were at the cage. Sad we did not have him in more scenes.
so überarbeitet müsste die alte serie auf blueray sein. um mit dern prequels angepasst zu sein.
Ich stimme zu. Aber vielleicht etwas, das etwas anspruchsvoller ist. 😄
Hi to Morlockmeat... Any chance you can give an email address,as I have a theory, which allows to include Virdon & Burke's ship.. AND the earlier ship.... Yes, the one before V&B, ... so in my plan, all 5 ships would be sensibly accounted for... It is a 2 page analysis, so probably too much info for YT... Hope to hear from you.
Hey Richard - I can't give my email address here, but I would love to hear your analysis. And, I'm sure, others would too. I hope you feel free to post it here. I've gotten some pretty long responses from others, at times. 😊
If not, we'll work something out.
@@morlockmeat OK... What I may try to do, is to send my theory, perhaps in 2 or 3 "episodes"... so that you, or anyone can splice it together, to make a timeline which makes sense... Here'a a tasty morsel, ha ha... It is all about the 5 ships travelling at speeds relative to Taylor's speed... And ALL ships hit the Hasslein curve problem... more later.
@@richardruff8712 - Yes, please do! 😃
@@morlockmeat OK, I have written it out, old fashioned, on paper... I am now typing on to Word documents... Will try to send ( one at a time ) on replys... In a few days time... Just one more tasty morsel... I will be including the option of Brent being on Skipper's ship, and the 3rd ship is on full auto-pilot.... Just to placate the " nay-sayers " out there...
@@richardruff8712 - Cool! Look forward to it!
Excellent!
Thanks! 😁