That stretched limousine joke by Zack had me laughing for minutes. Zack is honestly one of the funniest car reviewers I've ever come across. And he never forces a joke, it always fits well into the context of the situation.
FWIW, I have about 500 street miles (mix of Wisconsin backroads and interstates) behind the wheel of a 992 RS and have been surprised by the comfort - it does not "beat you up" in normal mode. frankly, I think it could be daily driven without much complaint. My better half even went out of her way to mention the comfort during an 80-mile highway drive.
Then you have dumb kids like Fresh Kiicks who always say a 992 GT3RS is my dream car and yet will never take it to the track and only thinks big wing cool
"Is this going to match how I like to drive" is the question I had to ask myself when I decided to get my Camaro ZL1 instead of a ZL1 1LE. Ultimately I don't really do track days and the roads where I live suck, so I got a ZL1 and optioned the carbon wing from the 1LE. The spool valve suspension wasn't for me.
Yep. People are always confused when I say my Mustang is overall a nicer car to own than my corvette. Yes I miss the outright performance of my C7 when I'm in the Mustang, but there are dozens of fun B-roads near me that I literally could not drive the corvette down even in full comfort mode because it was just too stiff and hardcore it felt like either me or the car was going to snap from whiplash over those bumps. The Mustang however, is great fun down those roads.
Smoking Tire acknowledges price and the shiny bits then proceeds to deliver a no bullshit review laser focused on the drive. I wish they had time to test more types of cars.
You can mess with the shocks all you want and it won't make any difference because it's the springs that are stiff. And they have to be, when a car has proper aero that produces downforce and not just negates lift, you need to have the spring rate to support the extra weight being generated from that or else you're gonna be at the bump stops at high speed which is a big no no. This car is not meant to be a grand tourer, it is designed around aero performance which of course is gonna compromise it on the street, it doesn't compare to the 750S, the turbo S would be a more appropriate comparison.
Correction: at half top speed you get 1/4 max downforce because aerodynamic lift is the square of the velocity. Well okay, realistically it's even less than that due to less from the front splitter and rear diffuser due to higher ride heights at lower speeds, but you get the idea - it's exponential
I remember when the GT-R came up in 2009 and set a laptime around 07.29 and shocked everyone, that car did something amazing for a coupe with a trunk thats driveable on the street as a sportscar instead of a track toy and costed less than 100K. IN 2009!
I know this is barely irrelevant but I also obsessed over the GTR back then. 480hp was insane and it was called a supercar. Now, my Mach 1 has 480hp all motor and that's not considered a lot.
You are absolutely correct, for the street Spyder RS will give you much more excitement than GT3RS , I have a go in both and would take Spyder RS for a street driving, I own 992 Touring with ST flywheel and clutch and it’s made for the road , absolute mental , RS is for very few hardcore drivers who would enjoy it on the street but it would be a crime not to take it to the track!!! Thank you , excellent video!!!!
Great video. Wish it was dry but oh well it is still and epic video. Correction regarding the down force, it grows to the square of the speed, so it is not linear, so at half speed, you won’t get 1/2 of the maximum downforce but rather much smaller than that. You will still get some downforce at half the speed but it is significantly lower than half of the maximum downforce (probably closer to quarter of maximum downforce which is still significant number and you could feel it). Keep up the great work. Mark Qandil
You are correct (I came to say downforce and drag are a factor of the square of speed, and I am happy to see someone else said it first). According to Porsche, the GT3 RS makes 1895 lbs. of downforce at 177 MPH, and over 900 lbs. at 124 MPH. Doing some quick math says the car would make around 605 lbs. of downforce at 100 MPH. Top speed is 184 MPH, so half of that would be 92 MPH, making around 512 lbs. of downforce, which is just a little over a quarter of the maximum as @mqandil stated above. At more legal speeds, say 65 MPH, it is making 256 lbs. of downforce.
@@aluisious they started high up already, my point was Angeles Crest would take them at least another 1000ft up on that drive, so if it was 40 degrees where they were sitting at the start, they were basically guaranteeing themselves of hitting some freezing weather along that hill climb
Guys. This one of the best reviews (in-car) yet! Well done. Inside car footage, actually any angle you guys filmed inside or camera on the car was perfect. Roof cam, dash cam, POV is needed more with you guys speaking over. Great work. Really, job well done.
I do think this is the best sounding 992 by a mile. This is the most old school supercar in some ways Porsche is building too if you think about it purely as a road car, inconvenient trunk space, uncomfortable ride, monstrous handling/acceleration. It's single mindedness is definitely making it pure despite the fact it's so high tech but yeah, absolutely. Lots of people shouldn't buy the superlative Porsche just because they can afford it but this is absolutely the SuperPorsche of the moment.
The obvious choice if you want a super track focused car that can also work as a weekend getaway car for you and your sweetheart is the GT4RS. Period. The SRS isn’t a great touring car even though it has a tad softer suspension. The SRS is a car for boulevard cruising, top down weekends in the alps and C&C meetings, and it’s crap on track as you can’t exceed 200kph with the roof on and you’ll be banned from all tracks top off, at least here in Europe and it’ll not be pleasant on the autobahn either as no one can sustain speeds above 200kph top down for hours on end. The GT4RS is 90% of the GT3RS on track and just awesome off the tracks. Anyone complaining about its harsh ride clearly hasn’t tried a 964RS or a 992GT3RS.
Gt4rs has HORRIBLE snap oversteer You need to watch misha drive it in stock form on the nurburgring. It is a horribly balanced car. Stop repeating crap and riding porsche's dick do some research Horrible car bro 😂
Superb video! Some great shots and angles too. Always look forward to your videos like this as i think they're the closest thing to what it'd be like for us all to be having a go ourselves. Thanks Matt, Thanks Zach 😎 👍🏻
For me the GTS is the sweet spot. Enough performance to have fun at a club track day while still being comfortable and livable enough to take over the mountains or up the coast with the wife for a long weekend.
Nice review. It’s not everyday we get to see one of these running on wet roads. I’d get this car because it is a rare example of high level of engineering and build quality. Sure there are faster cars than this but this car’s characteristic is uniquely Porsche and extremely satisfying. In fact, beyond satisfying. There isn’t a lot car enthusiasts with financial capability to own one of these would turn down an allocation.
match how you want to drive, so true, the real reason why I bought a C7 stingray and not a C7 Z06, everyone who knew I was buying the car thought I was crazy for not buying a Z06
I recently ran one of these incredible cars in (1500 km’s) over two days on public roads for an owner, felt like it took a week for spinal decompression 😅 such a focused/ twitchy/ firm riding car even below 4K rpm, I don’t think I could live with it long term on public roads (but wouldn’t mind trying…)
Really like you guys, the way you present things, and your podcast no question about that. You guys overall do a good job !! However I am a bit perplexed……. I just don’t get a lot of your comments about these types of cars, even down to the Carrera T or Cayman T. I’d highly doubt most these cars are used as a daily, that person is the minority. These cars are used for weekends, B roads and track days, and that’s what they are for. Fast/fun, comfortable, and cheap but you can only have two…… what do you pick ?? So a 992 GT3 RS is a track car, Porsche don’t hide that, a track car you can drive on the road, so of course it’s harsh on the road. I own a 992 GT3 RS and find it fine here in Australia, and a 2024 Macan GTS too. Just think it’s worth the thoughts of reviewing a car as it’s intended not how soft and comfortable it is, because soft and comfortable isn’t “fun” on a windy B road or race track. But please keep up the good work !!
Regarding the adjustable damping...it doesn't matter how expensive the car or how sophisticated the dampers or damping adjustment is, the simple fact is you are only changing one element of the suspension and the spring rates have not changed. The dampers for the most part will have one optimal setting matching those spring rates and the adjustment will only do so much. If you want a more streetable GT3 RS...buy a GT3.
Zack: "Man, it is so wet!" Me: "That's what she said!" My dog, startled awake by my outburst: "WTF?!" Zack: "It's still stiff!" Me: "Twice in one episode! You are on fire, Zack!" Dog: Walks out of room.
Back in 2010 I purchased a 997.2 GT3RS and still have it. It is just not fun on the street. So much so that the thrills of taking it to the track did not offset the misery on the street. The sound is magnificent but gets old when stuck in 6th on the highway driving to the track. Getting in and out of buckets is a pain. Shaving seconds off laps does not equate to the decade of ownership sitting in the garage. GR Corolla and Civic Type R are much more enjoyable. You can get a fleet of them vs one RS
GT3 touring manual! Nothing beats NA engine. The response and sound. RS for ultra limited track star and ST for the general public enjoyment. This is the way…
I mean, watch the Cup Cars lap Sebring. They're frequently having one or more wheels lifting clear of the track and skating along in the bumpier sections. They still run them super stiff. Some of this DNA is absolutely present in the RS cars.
Thank you for your honesty and keeping it real! It’s a cool car, but I agree that it might not suit everyone, regardless of affordability. I also feel that some reviewers sometimes emphasize style over practical insights, aiming to appeal to specific market moods of the time.
The PDK paddles simply use a micro switch to produce that tactile feedback. $300 paintball markers use the same exact sort of mechanism for trigger actuation.
Downforce is proportional to velocity squared...........you don't get 50% of the down force at 50% of the velocity. Thats the problem with this RS, you really only get a material benefit around certain styles of high speed circuit. The 991.2 GT3 RS is the better all round car (1) its within a bees dick of the 992 GT3 RS round most tracks (literally the difference in tires will be the time difference) (2) it still retains a functional frunk an essential for weekend track day warriors (3) you genuinely can use it as a daily. The 992 GT3 RS is probably the first RS that doesn't really make sense. If you want a track car, get a genuine track car e.g. GT3 Cup. From a functional perspective the "power train" has been the same with very minor changes and mapping since the 991.2 GT3 , since then they all rev to 9000 RPM, with variations in gearing compensating for tire diameter. Also, the spring rates are huge on the 992 GT3 RS, even with improved wheel rate (slightly - due to front double wishbone) you can only compensate with valve tuning to a small degree - nice to have for sure, but if you have killer spring rates for glass smooth tracks, you can't dial that out. In regard to AP, I think his take is wrong unless he's focussed on a niche within a niche and I say that having done 5 seasons of Cup. The great strength of the RS was you could take it to the track on a weekend with all your track gear safely stowed in the frunk and in nets off the roll cage - now you need a second vehicle - which means, buy a track car instead. The bottom line is, I largely agree with your conclusions its a very small niche product thats lost its raison d'etre, so much so I gave up my allocation, bought a Nero 296 GTB and kept my 991.2 GT3 RS.
Just came back from a track day at Spa and it started in the wet. People definitely started off cautiously but these cars didn’t have to hold back as much as most of us.
I know you guys appreciate where you live and the roads available to you, but let me just say: I hope you FREAKIN’ APPRECIATE where you live and the roads available to you!! 😂
I had mine aligned for the street by the dealer and will only take it to track once or twice a year. Its a car I just wanted and is my car I use when i'm at my holiday home where Its near canyons and the track. If I had an option would've taken the ST but was fortunate enough to even get a 3RS. Will see weather I keep or sell when the 992.2 GT variants come out.
Thank you. The last video I watched made me sad about not being able to get this car, but this video made me realize that I'd probably hate driving it on the street if I did.
The lack of any storage space is a deal breaker for me too as I use it for weekend trips. Would swap my Turbo for it otherwise. Could manage even more hardcore ride as even it the Turbo its pretty compromised.
In the rain I drive this with maximum downforce and it's super confident. I could tell from the wing angle that at least on Zach's drive it was in minimal downforce mode.
I hate people who buy these or any exotic and use it as a business transaction for making money with it, but what can ya do I will own one of these hopefully soon and I can’t wait I will always say two wheels are better than four however this RS might change my mind once I have it and can put it on the track
Problem with the RS over the GT3 is that in the UK where you get the roll cage is that you can't fit helmets in the back through the roll cage so you can't drive you car to a track day.
I think a 911 GTS or Cerrera 4 would be confident inspiring car in the conditions you’re driving in. For street use, the GTS has to be plenty fast for any use case. Either that or get something that’s not adjustable and still raw with a smaller performance envelope like a Lotus Emira.
I kept drawing analogies to downhill skis when I was watching this video A World Cup 165cm slalom ski is no fun at Beavercreek unless you’re on water injected snow and have tree trunk quads And you will look like a total tool in the lift line with your speed suit if you aren’t running gates Somehow, those optics don’t translate to cars because you look like the ultimate bad ass if you drive this to Alice’s But you’d probably be happier in a Dakar just like you would prefer soul sevens on the hill
Starting with a Ford Mustang, if I were to strip the interior, put 500hp in it, install competent suspension, monstrous brakes, and a wide-body kit, people would complain that I've ruined the car. When Porsche does it to a 911, it's epoch making.
Spyder RS: Generally speaking, I’m not a fan of convertibles. Add weight, complexity, lose rigidity, esp makes little sense on a sports car. Also, I live in TX. Days it’s nice enough out to lower top it’s too damn hot.
"343 ft-lbf of tq" ...This is why Code Brown was not executed! For all of its HP, punishing suspension, and audible glory it isn't trying to kill the driver! (Unless you have a death wish and/or are completely ignorant.)
Well im young and daily rode a super bike until recently i would want the track focused car. Im okay with being miserable. I rode my bike in 26 degree weather EVERY DAY all winter long to work. Im about the life man. But when im 36 or whatever i will probably feel different who knows.
Given the rain they probably couldn't get many good road shots. We have no idea if the road shots we did get were taken from a single 30 second clip or what. Is what it is man.
If you dont daiyl this car, and onyl use it if you are in the mood to have some fun with it, you will save also a lot of money. The fewer miles the car has on the clock, the more value it retains. If you get one for a fair price, you can sell the car after a few years for the same price or even more. If the car has only clocked up a lot of miles in city traffic, then you have just thrown your money out the window and even drove uncomfortably.
Does anyone else agree that Matt looks like Rob Reiner? Only with hat on. Salt and pepper beard. It’s a great look. Love the video. Thank you Matt and Zack! I wish I had more time to watch the podcasts which are great as well
Growing up I didn't care for Porsches, now I appreciate them, however the design of the aero bits imo is just ugly. Really not a design that I think will stand the test of time.
If someone gave me that, for free, paying for gas for a year, insurance, rego, everything and allowed me to sell it on for sticker price if I wanted to day one... I still would say no. This thing just shouldn't exist. Either you get a GT race car and go on the track with that or you get a regular 911 to drive around. These track cars for the road feel like going to a medium sized store. You'll find the good brands, but never their top of the line stuff, only the middle of the road stuff that is often worse value for money and is missing the one feature you actually wanted. It evokes that feeling of "I should go online and buy the better version of this", but that would be the full on race car in this case. It ends up being a fun toy on the track, but if you actually want to improve your driving its too soft and heavy, while it sucks as a road car because of all the "race" stuff they put into it. I mean, yeah the demographic for this thing is clear, rich boys asking daddy for the car to impress their social media following. They know that as well, so of course they'll feed the market as it wishes, but you have to wonder then if they actually still have a focus on making good race cars and good road cars, because in neither segment have they actually produced products that are at the top. Porsche has consistently fallen lower in those rankings, especially in long term tests, because it's more committee design lately. "Let's draft some GT stuff onto a 911 and sell it to the posers" with the committee getting together to pick the plastic parts to graft onto it collecting their paycheck on the way out. It's such a great example on how they have not evolved as a company and just swim with the flow, replacing some carbon here, adding some electronics there and not really innovating. Their last big innovation was the 918 and that's 10 years old. It's a bit sad to see, but it isn't surprising. Never been a fan of the 911 platform or looks, but could appreciate the strides they made to get away from the image and handling it had to something more usable and the first "race cars for the road" versions were actually the hardcore compromise you'd expect. This one... just looks like some wannabe tuner from the south coast decided to order race car parts and glue them on. They claim it all has purpose and it might very well have some, but you are enhancing a pig by drawing a racing stripe on it and feeding it pcp. I know where they wanna go with it, but I still feel myself asking wtf are you trying to do Porsche. Perhaps as logically and utilitarian person this thing doesn't fit any logical niche beyond one that doesn't serve any useful purpose other than, well, posing and looking like a tool for the 'gram. I can't fault them for selling it, knowing it'll make them bank, nor the stupid marketing surrounding it, but I can still dislike the attitude just as my own opinion.
If you go to The Thermal Club in California, there are dozens of 992 3RS's there for track enthusiasts. I don't think they are daddy's boys with social media. There are many successful people who are not the demographic you posit. But rather those that desire and can also afford these high performance vehicles. I do believe you are correct in some cases, however please do not generalize in such broad brushstrokes; it does not put you in good light sir. Live and let live, respect one another even when voicing one's opinion. Thank you
As a subscriber I try to watch all your videos, and I love this car. However, I find the premise of this video silly, at least. To me, evaluating it as a daily driver would be like the professional pianist who bought a 9ft. concert grand piano because of the magnificent sound, tonality, build quality, etc. Then, was dismayed because it wasn't as easy to transport and set up at his gigs playing in a rock band. Surely you can't believe someone with the $$ to by this GT3-RS would be unaware he wouldn't be able to use it to run down to Home Depot to pick up a sheet of plywood or glide over bumps like his Lexus.
Sure. But the limits are so much higher even a novice driver can get a lot of benefit from this car - the level of confidence and the room for error it gives you make it a much safer car.
The rooster tail out of the rear window is glorious
Right ?!
That stretched limousine joke by Zack had me laughing for minutes. Zack is honestly one of the funniest car reviewers I've ever come across. And he never forces a joke, it always fits well into the context of the situation.
He has a certain humour, dry perhaps and I like it.
It may be a dry humor, but he’s quick. You can see it on the podcasts. He’s just a quick-witted funny, nice guy.
I didn't get it.
Zack is my simile hero.
I have a theory he is doing open mics around LA but not telling anyone. I’m eagerly awaiting his 1 hour special.
Im glad someone is being honest about the ride of a GT product. Its just not for the street.
FWIW, I have about 500 street miles (mix of Wisconsin backroads and interstates) behind the wheel of a 992 RS and have been surprised by the comfort - it does not "beat you up" in normal mode. frankly, I think it could be daily driven without much complaint. My better half even went out of her way to mention the comfort during an 80-mile highway drive.
@@haydenlindwall Yeah, it's far better than the normal 992 GT3 imo.
Then you have dumb kids like Fresh Kiicks who always say a 992 GT3RS is my dream car and yet will never take it to the track and only thinks big wing cool
Still can be used on the street. I'd be fine daily driving one 😂
@@haydenlindwallreally depends on what your tolerance level for stiffness is and how bad your local roads are.
There are no springs at the paddle shifter, they work with strong magnets, thefore the metallic click.
"Is this going to match how I like to drive" The best summation, be truthful with yourself before buying!
"Is this going to match how I like to drive" is the question I had to ask myself when I decided to get my Camaro ZL1 instead of a ZL1 1LE. Ultimately I don't really do track days and the roads where I live suck, so I got a ZL1 and optioned the carbon wing from the 1LE. The spool valve suspension wasn't for me.
Yep. People are always confused when I say my Mustang is overall a nicer car to own than my corvette. Yes I miss the outright performance of my C7 when I'm in the Mustang, but there are dozens of fun B-roads near me that I literally could not drive the corvette down even in full comfort mode because it was just too stiff and hardcore it felt like either me or the car was going to snap from whiplash over those bumps. The Mustang however, is great fun down those roads.
Man, this is SO well shot. You guys execute to such an insanely high level, even for a Two Takes format.
That exhaust clip in the beginning for the word was hilarious
Smoking Tire acknowledges price and the shiny bits then proceeds to deliver a no bullshit review laser focused on the drive. I wish they had time to test more types of cars.
lol...they delivered a review of a sports car in freezing temps. fair play if you don't like the RS, but this was obviously not a good test.
You can mess with the shocks all you want and it won't make any difference because it's the springs that are stiff. And they have to be, when a car has proper aero that produces downforce and not just negates lift, you need to have the spring rate to support the extra weight being generated from that or else you're gonna be at the bump stops at high speed which is a big no no. This car is not meant to be a grand tourer, it is designed around aero performance which of course is gonna compromise it on the street, it doesn't compare to the 750S, the turbo S would be a more appropriate comparison.
Correction: at half top speed you get 1/4 max downforce because aerodynamic lift is the square of the velocity. Well okay, realistically it's even less than that due to less from the front splitter and rear diffuser due to higher ride heights at lower speeds, but you get the idea - it's exponential
I remember when the GT-R came up in 2009 and set a laptime around 07.29 and shocked everyone, that car did something amazing for a coupe with a trunk thats driveable on the street as a sportscar instead of a track toy and costed less than 100K. IN 2009!
Nisan regularly had Porsche 911 Turbos at the track while developing the gtr.
15 years later they’ve done absolutely nothing and still have the same outdated boat
I know this is barely irrelevant but I also obsessed over the GTR back then. 480hp was insane and it was called a supercar. Now, my Mach 1 has 480hp all motor and that's not considered a lot.
@@TheWhiteCometOfZion the Mach 1 is a glorified Mustang gt
The flybys sound glorious
You are absolutely correct, for the street Spyder RS will give you much more excitement than GT3RS , I have a go in both and would take Spyder RS for a street driving, I own 992 Touring with ST flywheel and clutch and it’s made for the road , absolute mental , RS is for very few hardcore drivers who would enjoy it on the street but it would be a crime not to take it to the track!!! Thank you , excellent video!!!!
Great video. Wish it was dry but oh well it is still and epic video. Correction regarding the down force, it grows to the square of the speed, so it is not linear, so at half speed, you won’t get 1/2 of the maximum downforce but rather much smaller than that. You will still get some downforce at half the speed but it is significantly lower than half of the maximum downforce (probably closer to quarter of maximum downforce which is still significant number and you could feel it). Keep up the great work. Mark Qandil
You are correct (I came to say downforce and drag are a factor of the square of speed, and I am happy to see someone else said it first). According to Porsche, the GT3 RS makes 1895 lbs. of downforce at 177 MPH, and over 900 lbs. at 124 MPH. Doing some quick math says the car would make around 605 lbs. of downforce at 100 MPH. Top speed is 184 MPH, so half of that would be 92 MPH, making around 512 lbs. of downforce, which is just a little over a quarter of the maximum as @mqandil stated above. At more legal speeds, say 65 MPH, it is making 256 lbs. of downforce.
40 and wet is nuts for a review
Especially when your starting temp is before riding another 1000ft uphill in the Angeles national forest 😂
1000 ft? That’s nothing on Angeles crest.
@@aluisious they started high up already, my point was Angeles Crest would take them at least another 1000ft up on that drive, so if it was 40 degrees where they were sitting at the start, they were basically guaranteeing themselves of hitting some freezing weather along that hill climb
@@narrowistheway77 I was there that day, it was snowing further up the mountain.
That should have been the title :)
Guys. This one of the best reviews (in-car) yet! Well done. Inside car footage, actually any angle you guys filmed inside or camera on the car was perfect. Roof cam, dash cam, POV is needed more with you guys speaking over. Great work. Really, job well done.
I do think this is the best sounding 992 by a mile. This is the most old school supercar in some ways Porsche is building too if you think about it purely as a road car, inconvenient trunk space, uncomfortable ride, monstrous handling/acceleration. It's single mindedness is definitely making it pure despite the fact it's so high tech but yeah, absolutely. Lots of people shouldn't buy the superlative Porsche just because they can afford it but this is absolutely the SuperPorsche of the moment.
There’s just something about the sound of that motor at 9k RPM! Bliss
The obvious choice if you want a super track focused car that can also work as a weekend getaway car for you and your sweetheart is the GT4RS. Period.
The SRS isn’t a great touring car even though it has a tad softer suspension. The SRS is a car for boulevard cruising, top down weekends in the alps and C&C meetings, and it’s crap on track as you can’t exceed 200kph with the roof on and you’ll be banned from all tracks top off, at least here in Europe and it’ll not be pleasant on the autobahn either as no one can sustain speeds above 200kph top down for hours on end.
The GT4RS is 90% of the GT3RS on track and just awesome off the tracks. Anyone complaining about its harsh ride clearly hasn’t tried a 964RS or a 992GT3RS.
Gt4rs has HORRIBLE snap oversteer
You need to watch misha drive it in stock form on the nurburgring. It is a horribly balanced car. Stop repeating crap and riding porsche's dick do some research
Horrible car bro 😂
It's not a 911 though. So it won't hold value as good.
WE need more rain rolling shots with heavily aero'd cars so cool with those rooster tails
Superb video! Some great shots and angles too. Always look forward to your videos like this as i think they're the closest thing to what it'd be like for us all to be having a go ourselves. Thanks Matt, Thanks Zach 😎 👍🏻
Now, this is a proper review. What a noise this thing makes!
For me the GTS is the sweet spot. Enough performance to have fun at a club track day while still being comfortable and livable enough to take over the mountains or up the coast with the wife for a long weekend.
You're probably right but I'm guessing the people who own an RS already have a GTS.
Nice review. It’s not everyday we get to see one of these running on wet roads. I’d get this car because it is a rare example of high level of engineering and build quality. Sure there are faster cars than this but this car’s characteristic is uniquely Porsche and extremely satisfying. In fact, beyond satisfying. There isn’t a lot car enthusiasts with financial capability to own one of these would turn down an allocation.
match how you want to drive,
so true, the real reason why I bought a C7 stingray and not a C7 Z06, everyone who knew I was buying the car thought I was crazy for not buying a Z06
I recently ran one of these incredible cars in (1500 km’s) over two days on public roads for an owner, felt like it took a week for spinal decompression 😅 such a focused/ twitchy/ firm riding car even below 4K rpm, I don’t think I could live with it long term on public roads (but wouldn’t mind trying…)
Really like you guys, the way you present things, and your podcast no question about that.
You guys overall do a good job !!
However I am a bit perplexed……. I just don’t get a lot of your comments about these types of cars, even down to the Carrera T or Cayman T.
I’d highly doubt most these cars are used as a daily, that person is the minority.
These cars are used for weekends, B roads and track days, and that’s what they are for.
Fast/fun, comfortable, and cheap but you can only have two…… what do you pick ??
So a 992 GT3 RS is a track car, Porsche don’t hide that, a track car you can drive on the road, so of course it’s harsh on the road.
I own a 992 GT3 RS and find it fine here in Australia, and a 2024 Macan GTS too.
Just think it’s worth the thoughts of reviewing a car as it’s intended not how soft and comfortable it is, because soft and comfortable isn’t “fun” on a windy B road or race track.
But please keep up the good work !!
That yellow looks so good on a gloomy day
This is one of the best videos you have put out - really practical analysis.
Wet, cold and a powerful car on the cliff of the mountain, hell nawww.
Regarding the adjustable damping...it doesn't matter how expensive the car or how sophisticated the dampers or damping adjustment is, the simple fact is you are only changing one element of the suspension and the spring rates have not changed. The dampers for the most part will have one optimal setting matching those spring rates and the adjustment will only do so much. If you want a more streetable GT3 RS...buy a GT3.
Yes you have to look at that wing, lack of luggage space and ask yourself what is your usage that is why I went for the Spyder RS.
“I’d like to have a pet; but it’s a rattle snake.”
-sir that more then likely will kill you. And it will hurt the entire time.
“Double the fangs.”
Zack: "Man, it is so wet!"
Me: "That's what she said!"
My dog, startled awake by my outburst: "WTF?!"
Zack: "It's still stiff!"
Me: "Twice in one episode! You are on fire, Zack!"
Dog: Walks out of room.
Well done guys. Another great video.
Magnetic shift paddles
You should actually weigh the cars like Harry's Garage, Mr fancy garage man
650ib has been weighing the bikes he's reviewed/ridden for about a decade now.
Did he recalibrate his scales? Cuz they were way off for a while.
@@billnorblat4047He goes to a weighing station.
@@BiggestSellout right on he used to weigh them in his garage
Back in 2010 I purchased a 997.2 GT3RS and still have it. It is just not fun on the street. So much so that the thrills of taking it to the track did not offset the misery on the street. The sound is magnificent but gets old when stuck in 6th on the highway driving to the track. Getting in and out of buckets is a pain. Shaving seconds off laps does not equate to the decade of ownership sitting in the garage. GR Corolla and Civic Type R are much more enjoyable. You can get a fleet of them vs one RS
GT3 touring manual! Nothing beats NA engine. The response and sound.
RS for ultra limited track star and ST for the general public enjoyment. This is the way…
The shot with the wadded up guardrail, chef's kiss.
I mean, watch the Cup Cars lap Sebring. They're frequently having one or more wheels lifting clear of the track and skating along in the bumpier sections. They still run them super stiff. Some of this DNA is absolutely present in the RS cars.
Thank you for your honesty and keeping it real! It’s a cool car, but I agree that it might not suit everyone, regardless of affordability. I also feel that some reviewers sometimes emphasize style over practical insights, aiming to appeal to specific market moods of the time.
The PDK paddles simply use a micro switch to produce that tactile feedback. $300 paintball markers use the same exact sort of mechanism for trigger actuation.
Downforce is proportional to velocity squared...........you don't get 50% of the down force at 50% of the velocity. Thats the problem with this RS, you really only get a material benefit around certain styles of high speed circuit. The 991.2 GT3 RS is the better all round car (1) its within a bees dick of the 992 GT3 RS round most tracks (literally the difference in tires will be the time difference) (2) it still retains a functional frunk an essential for weekend track day warriors (3) you genuinely can use it as a daily.
The 992 GT3 RS is probably the first RS that doesn't really make sense. If you want a track car, get a genuine track car e.g. GT3 Cup. From a functional perspective the "power train" has been the same with very minor changes and mapping since the 991.2 GT3 , since then they all rev to 9000 RPM, with variations in gearing compensating for tire diameter.
Also, the spring rates are huge on the 992 GT3 RS, even with improved wheel rate (slightly - due to front double wishbone) you can only compensate with valve tuning to a small degree - nice to have for sure, but if you have killer spring rates for glass smooth tracks, you can't dial that out.
In regard to AP, I think his take is wrong unless he's focussed on a niche within a niche and I say that having done 5 seasons of Cup. The great strength of the RS was you could take it to the track on a weekend with all your track gear safely stowed in the frunk and in nets off the roll cage - now you need a second vehicle - which means, buy a track car instead.
The bottom line is, I largely agree with your conclusions its a very small niche product thats lost its raison d'etre, so much so I gave up my allocation, bought a Nero 296 GTB and kept my 991.2 GT3 RS.
My Miata goes "chunk chunk chunk chunk chunk" at full lock pulling out of my garage. Miata = 992 GT3RS
Fantastic review. Spot on.
Loved the editing. Wonder if it keeps engagement higher
Great video. What an amazing engendering phenomenon.
Just came back from a track day at Spa and it started in the wet. People definitely started off cautiously but these cars didn’t have to hold back as much as most of us.
Great video! What road were you guys driving on? It looks like fun!
For a hot second, I thought Zack was wearing a AF corsa jacket with those yellow seatbelts
solid reviews
"now it's my turn to make us not die". hmm that's not my first thought when i get into a sports car.
Love that you talk about the magnetic paddles. I fitted them to my Touring. And they are incredible.
I know you guys appreciate where you live and the roads available to you, but let me just say: I hope you FREAKIN’ APPRECIATE where you live and the roads available to you!! 😂
I had mine aligned for the street by the dealer and will only take it to track once or twice a year. Its a car I just wanted and is my car I use when i'm at my holiday home where Its near canyons and the track. If I had an option would've taken the ST but was fortunate enough to even get a 3RS. Will see weather I keep or sell when the 992.2 GT variants come out.
This color explodes my head!!!🎉
Exactly the reasons why I hanker after a GT3 as opposed to the RS.
Thank you. The last video I watched made me sad about not being able to get this car, but this video made me realize that I'd probably hate driving it on the street if I did.
Shot in April? Porsche NA should let you guys have another go in the summer or fall.
Is there a Z06 video on the way?
The lack of any storage space is a deal breaker for me too as I use it for weekend trips. Would swap my Turbo for it otherwise. Could manage even more hardcore ride as even it the Turbo its pretty compromised.
Fit seats with tilting backs, mothball the carbon seats until you sell the car.
The Affliction shirt of 911’s 😂 Love it.
A GT3 Touring Manual would be far nastier in the same conditions. That extreme downforce is only a benefit in the rain.
In the rain I drive this with maximum downforce and it's super confident. I could tell from the wing angle that at least on Zach's drive it was in minimal downforce mode.
How fast do you need to be going to actually get useful downforce?
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@@brownhairydog6472 It's still about 180 lbs ~ 55 mph. The car is noticeably more stable even at these speeds.
I hate people who buy these or any exotic and use it as a business transaction for making money with it, but what can ya do
I will own one of these hopefully soon and I can’t wait
I will always say two wheels are better than four however this RS might change my mind once I have it and can put it on the track
Awesome Vid! Love you guys
Full soft and full stiff both will be bouncy? needs some compression and some rebound to handle well?
Problem with the RS over the GT3 is that in the UK where you get the roll cage is that you can't fit helmets in the back through the roll cage so you can't drive you car to a track day.
❤ I’m hear to see Matt Farrah drive ❤ this man can drive ❤
I think a 911 GTS or Cerrera 4 would be confident inspiring car in the conditions you’re driving in. For street use, the GTS has to be plenty fast for any use case. Either that or get something that’s not adjustable and still raw with a smaller performance envelope like a Lotus Emira.
Sounds amazing.
I kept drawing analogies to downhill skis when I was watching this video
A World Cup 165cm slalom ski is no fun at Beavercreek unless you’re on water injected snow and have tree trunk quads
And you will look like a total tool in the lift line with your speed suit if you aren’t running gates
Somehow, those optics don’t translate to cars because you look like the ultimate bad ass if you drive this to Alice’s
But you’d probably be happier in a Dakar just like you would prefer soul sevens on the hill
The stiff bouncy ride reminds me of Jim Carey bouncing around on smooth road in Ace Ventura 2
I love the sound of this engine at 9k rpm. I wonder if they'll try and get to 10k some day and be in the five digit rpm bracket with GMA?
I'll take it just for the sound.
WOW, that code brown moment, really shows how stiff the suspension, is.
Starting with a Ford Mustang, if I were to strip the interior, put 500hp in it, install competent suspension, monstrous brakes, and a wide-body kit, people would complain that I've ruined the car. When Porsche does it to a 911, it's epoch making.
Spyder RS:
Generally speaking, I’m not a fan of convertibles. Add weight, complexity, lose rigidity, esp makes little sense on a sports car. Also, I live in TX. Days it’s nice enough out to lower top it’s too damn hot.
How doe sit compare to the GT Blackseries?
"343 ft-lbf of tq" ...This is why Code Brown was not executed! For all of its HP, punishing suspension, and audible glory it isn't trying to kill the driver!
(Unless you have a death wish and/or are completely ignorant.)
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I sold my GT 3 992 for new Z06 which is better for the road, not so much for snob appeal.
It's a ZO6, people will get over it as soon as you accelerate smartly while leaving.
Cool car, but I’d choose the C7 ZR1 any day of the week.
better road car without a doubt
Well im young and daily rode a super bike until recently i would want the track focused car. Im okay with being miserable.
I rode my bike in 26 degree weather EVERY DAY all winter long to work. Im about the life man.
But when im 36 or whatever i will probably feel different who knows.
MRC is much better than any iteration of PASM for sure.
Amaizng video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cool drive in the rain. Too bad we can't see the road like we could for years for.. no reason.
I guess looking at the car seats will have to suffice..
Given the rain they probably couldn't get many good road shots. We have no idea if the road shots we did get were taken from a single 30 second clip or what. Is what it is man.
If you dont daiyl this car, and onyl use it if you are in the mood to have some fun with it, you will save also a lot of money. The fewer miles the car has on the clock, the more value it retains. If you get one for a fair price, you can sell the car after a few years for the same price or even more. If the car has only clocked up a lot of miles in city traffic, then you have just thrown your money out the window and even drove uncomfortably.
Holy shit this car is absolutely insane looking
Does anyone else agree that Matt looks like Rob Reiner? Only with hat on. Salt and pepper beard. It’s a great look.
Love the video. Thank you Matt and Zack! I wish I had more time to watch the podcasts which are great as well
Growing up I didn't care for Porsches, now I appreciate them, however the design of the aero bits imo is just ugly. Really not a design that I think will stand the test of time.
Most accurate part of the Closed Caption:
- Glorious exhaust sound
- CC confirms with “music”! 🎶🎵🎧
If someone gave me that, for free, paying for gas for a year, insurance, rego, everything and allowed me to sell it on for sticker price if I wanted to day one... I still would say no. This thing just shouldn't exist. Either you get a GT race car and go on the track with that or you get a regular 911 to drive around. These track cars for the road feel like going to a medium sized store. You'll find the good brands, but never their top of the line stuff, only the middle of the road stuff that is often worse value for money and is missing the one feature you actually wanted. It evokes that feeling of "I should go online and buy the better version of this", but that would be the full on race car in this case. It ends up being a fun toy on the track, but if you actually want to improve your driving its too soft and heavy, while it sucks as a road car because of all the "race" stuff they put into it. I mean, yeah the demographic for this thing is clear, rich boys asking daddy for the car to impress their social media following. They know that as well, so of course they'll feed the market as it wishes, but you have to wonder then if they actually still have a focus on making good race cars and good road cars, because in neither segment have they actually produced products that are at the top. Porsche has consistently fallen lower in those rankings, especially in long term tests, because it's more committee design lately. "Let's draft some GT stuff onto a 911 and sell it to the posers" with the committee getting together to pick the plastic parts to graft onto it collecting their paycheck on the way out. It's such a great example on how they have not evolved as a company and just swim with the flow, replacing some carbon here, adding some electronics there and not really innovating. Their last big innovation was the 918 and that's 10 years old. It's a bit sad to see, but it isn't surprising. Never been a fan of the 911 platform or looks, but could appreciate the strides they made to get away from the image and handling it had to something more usable and the first "race cars for the road" versions were actually the hardcore compromise you'd expect. This one... just looks like some wannabe tuner from the south coast decided to order race car parts and glue them on. They claim it all has purpose and it might very well have some, but you are enhancing a pig by drawing a racing stripe on it and feeding it pcp. I know where they wanna go with it, but I still feel myself asking wtf are you trying to do Porsche. Perhaps as logically and utilitarian person this thing doesn't fit any logical niche beyond one that doesn't serve any useful purpose other than, well, posing and looking like a tool for the 'gram. I can't fault them for selling it, knowing it'll make them bank, nor the stupid marketing surrounding it, but I can still dislike the attitude just as my own opinion.
If you go to The Thermal Club in California, there are dozens of 992 3RS's there for track enthusiasts. I don't think they are daddy's boys with social media. There are many successful people who are not the demographic you posit. But rather those that desire and can also afford these high performance vehicles. I do believe you are correct in some cases, however please do not generalize in such broad brushstrokes; it does not put you in good light sir. Live and let live, respect one another even when voicing one's opinion. Thank you
18:25 a convertible is never the answer unless youre looking for something to let whistlin diesel destroy.
As a subscriber I try to watch all your videos, and I love this car. However, I find the premise of this video silly, at least. To me, evaluating it as a daily driver would be like the professional pianist who bought a 9ft. concert grand piano because of the magnificent sound, tonality, build quality, etc. Then, was dismayed because it wasn't as easy to transport and set up at his gigs playing in a rock band. Surely you can't believe someone with the $$ to by this GT3-RS would be unaware he wouldn't be able to use it to run down to Home Depot to pick up a sheet of plywood or glide over bumps like his Lexus.
Agreed you need to be a professional driver to be able to take this to the limit on a track.
Sure. But the limits are so much higher even a novice driver can get a lot of benefit from this car - the level of confidence and the room for error it gives you make it a much safer car.
@@redpriest26 If you're not at/near the limit though are you really having fun?
Wow a new review finally! Oh wait they have reviewed this car 4 other times never mind
Do some TST branded Vuori and I’m in.
Should need a comp license for this type of thing.
Awesome😍
Pretty sure Matt is wearing my jacket in this one.
Great video
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Wonder how an ST would look like with a big ol Wing